Performer device is killer. Having a singular floating GUI with customized controls that span across the entire live set... awesome! Well done, Iftah!!
holy crap this is really something. i've watched this a couple times now, and i'm convinced that Performer especially is a really major improvement over any option we had in 11, or honestly even existed before this.
Another amazing Device !!!. would love if the rename function in performer actually changed the names also on the push screen for a completely screen-free experience. 🔥
Variations alone is going to change the game for me! FINALLY, I can recall presets in stock instruments! Thank you so so so much for making this Iftah, you're a total LEGEND!♥
I didn't quite realize what the prearranger was until the demo video. That's something I've always wanted and now it's real. Can't wait to use it. Thanks for creating it.
This is a brilliant device! Thank you for all of your effort with this demonstration and on the tool. It is very easy to see the many possibilities, and the interface is very clean 👌
This is incredible! Thank you so much. This will allow me to undo all the convoluted work-arounds I had to "invent" over the years and never felt good about. Amazing! 🙏
Thank you so much for your devices, Sting is amazing to get me inspired for solo jams. And this video is very informative and I can't wait to expand my soul into the new depths of Ableton12!
I am so excited about all this. Variations being my fav so far. It's like a superior CTRL-all function from Elektron devices embedded into Ableton. This is my favorite new feature in Live 12. Iftah = GOAT!
Using multiple apps including Loopy Pro and MIDI FX on my iPad Pro for this… very pleased to see this kind of performance focused surface building is also available through my favorite DAW (and controller) on Mac 😊 🙏🏻 👍🏻
Unbelievable. I know your work and music since a long time. I love what you do. But I never imagined you would come up with a solution for my midi mapping struggle with ableton. ❤ thank you ❤
Hi Iftah I have a question. How are we so lucky to have such a genious person that make this next generation of Max devices? This Is the most game changing live performances devices improvements since session view was invented. I achieved to do something like the pre-arranger using IAC drivers and "dummy clips". But it was so tedious. This is a dream come true. Thank you for this gift, you are great Iftah, as a person who started using ableton live 5, now 21 years later i can say that, at my eyes you made history. What a blessing, thanks.
Iftah! You are a magician! Loving this so much and as others have already said THIS is one of the best new features in 12… so liberating for live performance 😎🤩👊🏻🔥great work mate🎵
Variations is a much needed an incredible powerful concept / device. Too bad that the Push API is so poor that the current implementation feels like a workaround, and the most important controls, such as 'new' or 'delete' or even switching through variations is currently not supported on the Push. It would be amazing if we could store variations on the fly for scenes and automatically recall them on launch.
Great ideas. Is it possible to map variations to an external controller ? I can only map Stash and Recall, but it could be handy to recall more variations.
I have been waiting for this for a decade. Well done. I always called this sort of third mode of ableton "sandbox mode". I would be great to be able to make it full screen, so everything else disappears like in a video game. Cheers
I love these devices, thank you so much! As a feature request, please add the ability to see every curve in the Performer device at the same time. If you colour code them for each slot, it will make the device much easier to use when you have many different curves. Danke!
Thank you@@iftah_fow 🙏I will follow up with a second request, I was just trying replicate my Roland TR-8s as a midi controller in the Performer device and ran out of controllers at 48 with 5 knobs remaining. Maybe in the update it would be possible to add more? I hope so. With your permission I will continue to suggest features on this thread as I keep using your devices. Danke ☺
@@iftah_fow Thats amazing, Im very happy to hear you will continue to work on these tools which in my mind give Live the functionality it is lacking. If I may ask ask for a third feature request: Please add midi mapping to the variations of the "Variations" device. Thank you so much 🙏🙏
Thanks for creating the prearranger! For those of us who used to used a similar (now defunct) app in the past (ZenAudio ALK2), this is a very welcome addition. Unfortunately, I think it still needs work (I'm on Mac mini M2, Sonoma 14.2.1). A few bugs have been reported to the Live 12 Beta site. For example, a clip will be recorded under the record clip on the "To track" clip. If you want to record a second/different loop on the same track by using a "To track" loop by a different name, this clip does not record (or repeat later on the "play clip") most of the time (only works about 5 % of the time). If I want to restart from the beginning without erasing the recorded loops, the loops will not consistently record again (have to manually erase the loops before hitting play from the beginning again). Not sure if you were aware of these, but I just want you to know because if this work perfectly, it will be amazing. Thanks for your work!
hi, please make sure to download the latest beta, and if you still have issues please make sure that the placement of the clips correlates with the quantize settings(i explain it in the video) if you still have issues (works fine here) please report it on centercode so i will be able to have a proper look
@@iftah_fow thanks. The latest update has fixed those issues!! Thanks so much. I was wondering if instead of playing say, a 2 bar loop that was previously recorded, we could size the play loop to just 1 bar later in the song (or, for example, copy bars 2 and 3 of a recorded 4 bar loop and paste them on the timeline to play them later...or grab 1/4 of a loop, or what ever length you want); right now the "play clip" seems to be a trigger for the whole length of the previously recorded loop no matter how you size the play loop. This would give excellent arranging flexibility. Thanks!
This absolutely amazing! One amazing feature would be a way to assign the switch between two variations to a CC so that the transition between two variations could be continuous instead of a hard switch toggle. Any plans to add such functionality?
Killer devices you've made! Thanks a lot. I'd be really interested in your ways of optimizing your live set for small controllers. Any deeper look on what you explain at 19:32 would be very useful. Anyway, i'll keep digging the features of variations and perfomer of which I've only scratched the surface. Thanks again.
Some questions about the performance pack: -will it be possible at some point to omit full tracks instead of only parameters and devices? -have you thought about another abstraction layer where you have a variations device in set mode (parent device) interacting with variation devices in track mode (child devices), for example to create a variation for a whole song (in parent device) and have several track variations (loaded via the child) -can you share any info if Clyphx will be able to steer the variations device? ;) -is it possible in the performer device to launch envelopes (e.g with a momentary button and slew set to 1bar), but quantized to global quantization. E.g to launch a quantized 1bar filter sweep? Thanks for taking the time and keep up the great work. Those devices will make Ableton THE live performance tool it always was supposed to be. I am truly excited.
thanks for the kind words. - excluding tracks will def. happen, probably sometimes post release. for now another way of doing this is putting everything you want to control inside a group and then setting variations to control only the group - i have never used Clyphx so im not really sure - as for synced envelopes, yes, absolutely! just create a momentary / toggle button, draw your A/R envelope, set the slew to sync mode and select your beat division.
Thanks for the feedback. About envelope triggering, will it be possible at some point to start the envelope on global quantization? E.g. trigger it on beat 3 and have it launch on the 1 of the next bar?
It can’t be! Stunning to see it all after waiting ages for smtg stunning like this beaut…. but getting nervous trying to click around where and how to get it to make my own?!?! ❤
hi, thanks for the nice words, its currently on beta alongside live 12, so if you can, get it on centercode. the official release will be out when live 12 is out
@@iftah_fow Great! Tried to “ignore” 12 until getting Push 3, which arrives tomorrow. Also preordered 12 and will install Beta. More exciting with Performer! TNX
Awesome work! I don't do any live performances but I can imagine how nice these devices will be for performances. When producing, I often thought it would be nice to have something pinned to top like performer with lfos and (midi) shapers. I guess this way it would be easier to map and manipulate all the different devices in an instrument.
Really amazing work. I'm definitely giving performer and variations a go for some upcoming shows. My Push 2 has finally given up on me so I'm gonna see what I can do with the APC
Hi @iftah, this is such a huge pain-solver for me! Thank you for making this freely available to us all. I have used it now for a few weeks and I noticed some bugs, particularly using Variations. Is there a forum or group somewhere where we can post and discuss bugs? Thanks again!
amazing pack that i am so excited to explore! im curious how to activate the "performance mode" you talk about at 12:49 on the push 3 to give global control to all of your tracks? can't seem to figure that part out...
I would LOVE to know how, at around 14 mins in, you have the same device controls visible even when selecting different clips (and thus tracks). In standalone especially, as "select on launch" cannot be disabled, this behaviour makes integrating performer very cumbersome for me at the moment.
This is fantastic. @iftah, when using the prearranger, can you suggest some way to create ‘indefinite looping’ over a portion of the arrangement (perhaps activating the arrangement loop) until released by a control action? I would like to use the prearranger to build a track until a ‘bridge’ that has audience interaction and thus needs to loop until I let it proceed. Any advice much appreciated. Regardless, this pack is a triumph and will be really useful.
This device is awesome Iftah, thank you so much for your hard work! Just want to ask if there is any possibility to increase the possible controls from 48 to 84 in a future update? My Faderfox MX12 for example has 60 and my PC12 84 knobs, would be nice to have one performer instance per controller. To split one controller into two performer instances is a bit unintuitive.
This is very impressive and will work very well with the M4L devices I've created for my external MIDI hardware. In fact, it will probably replace many of them! Are there any plans to extend the range of Output Modes you currently provide? I'd like to control my MOTU AVB mixer over OSC and have been struggling to find a solution with Ableton's Connection Kit using the OSC Send device. Your Performance Pack would allow me to control channel levels, pans, aux sends and internal FX on the interface if it could output OSC commands. I love the video, btw. Its a brilliant overview of the pack
I spent hours preparing a set using the Performer and also on different computers and different beta and standard versions of Live (both mac). Unfortunately it is super glitchy and does not properly save whatever settings you put into it. When you open the file with Performer, the knob settings are often random and not assigned properly. This can only be corrected by opening the Performer window and clicking through each number on each macro which somehow resets each knob to its proper setting. Occasionally though the, percentages will be reset to strange numbers and each needs to manually input again. Once it's all set up, it seems to be stable, however this whole process needs to be repeated each time you open your file. Unfortunately this makes Performer completely unusable. I LOVE the idea of Performer, but sadly its just not there yet.
hi, this might have happened because the set have been saved on different beta versions. it def does not happen with sets that were initially saved using the release version. if this still happens please send a report (and the set so i can try to reproduce ) to ableton support so we can have a look at it
recently starting to perform in my band with ableton and the past few days i've been like "hmm what if there was an easy to look at screen i could pull up and i could put buttons on it and the buttons do pre-defined things, particularly the ability to map macros to multiple parameters across the daw, and i can arrange the buttons to look and behave in a way that is easy and intuative to interact with in a performance setting, negating the need to constantly manouvre around the rows and columns of tracks and fx" and then boom hey its coming out soon.... thanks lol
Hi May I ask why you choosed to ignore disabled chains in the process of saving racks in Variations ? It's part of the "state" of the rack in a given variation. I find it more visual (and simpler) than tweeking the chain selector which is more tedious and invisible most of the time in a rack. Of course many more things can be achieved with the chain selector but for simple "synth or fx swap" in a rack, the chain activator is enough. Anyway thanks for this excellent device.
Seriously, your levels of creativity, technical ability, imagination, drive, and craftsmanship are off the chart!!! Knowing that your ideas and passion have driven so many to create and produce works of art beyond their own capabilities must be amazing and inspirational. I salute you, Iftah, for all the possibilities you have gifted to us mere mortals. 🫡
Does Pre Arranger work on the session view? It seems very similar to the Bink Looper. It would be cool if it does. Still cool none the less. Excited to try these tools!
under the hood Prearranger actually records all the audio in session view and then automatically transfer it to arrangement view. not sure how Bink Looper works tho, it does mean that you get to keep all of your takes
Hey, is there by any chance a way to map a control within Performer (knob, slider, toggle etc...) to an input midi CC? My intention is to set up a layout like that of a midi controller (here Novation LC XL) and to have it ready to go just by setting up the right midi channel to it without having to manually map everything. And later on be able to transfer it from one project to another without having to manually remap it all the time. Aaaaand if in the future there could be an implementation to have the midi controller only affect the selected Performer device (in the case of several inside a project), to make it fully independant of Ableton's stiff midi mapping, this would be a banger. A hybrid solution between a custom script and what the amazing device that Performer is already provides in other words. By all means this is great work. Well done and many thanks.
Nice one Iftah! Just playing around with Variations, I know I'm breaking the rules here, but it would be great if 'Link to Clip' would allow the variations be triggered by triggering the clip rather than triggering the variation... my artist brain wants to use random follow actions with legato mode and record sporadic variations of synths 😛
Hello Iftah!!! Thank you so much. Prearranger is like the ALK looper that I always wanted! :D I wanted to ask - is it possible to record multiple audio clips and then play them back in a custom order IN ONE TRACK, or should I create MULTIPLE TRACKS for this situation? I hope my question is understandable... :)))))
really nice work! Q's: How would you approach mapping layers with momentary and toggle buttons? Is midi led feedback, colors, blinkings, working in these mappings? Are the mappings saved in the device when saving? Are other gestures possible, i.e. fast double click, Long click etc
I love the Variations device, but I've found that once I have a couple of variations programmed, the device won't allow me to make any permanent changes in the rest of parameters within the same track without having to add them as exceptions. Whenever I make a change in any other parameter without adding it as an exception, the device switches the parameter to its previous state whenever a variation is triggered. This makes the device's functionality rather limiting, cause having to add exceptions for any other parameter I want to change or automate outside of the variation snapshots is a whole lot of work. I tried setting the device to Set mode, but this is even worse, as it does the same with all the parameters in the whole set.
The performance pack is great. I really wish that knob positions in performer could be recalled with variations though. As it is now I kinda have to choose which of them I want to use in my set.
knob positions of performer can be recalled with variations (working fine here). if this for some reason not working for your please report it to ableton's support.
I'm not a performer but I'll do a use case with producing. Just wondering if you could add an option to randomize the curve generation? That would be a cool feature to add on.
Is there a way to trigger a track-focused variation just by triggering a scene (and there's no clip on that track in that scene)? I want to keep the clips from previous scenes running and just change the variation. I guess that must be the only bottleneck of this m4l craziness Iftah has blessed us with.
I really love this pack, and am super grateful that you made it. Unfortunately the Prearranger doesn't work for me. When I make a record clip it only arms the track and won't actually record a clip. If anyone can offer any help why I'd be really grateful as I really really want to use this pack!
@@iftah_fow Thanks for your quick reply. The beta version is somewhat better but still really unstable and doesn't always work. So definitely not ready for live performance.
Thats an awesome device! @iftah Do you think it will be possible to split the grid of the push 3 in order to play multiple instruments with the same layout? I would like to customize the grid to control two synths and a few drumpads!
this is really up-ing my game right now. but I have one thing which I might be missing how to do : the toggle button does not seem to repeat to its off state value after it is being pressed, but just keeps the on value - I can see how this is useful for doing time based effects, like the one shot transition in the video, but I would like to use it as a quick ON/OFF switch for a delay send for example. right now this doesn't seem to work as after releasing the momentary button, the ON value perseveres. could you please tell me if there is a fix / something i m missing ? love the stuff in here. using this with touch OSC on an ipad right now and it s definitely cyborging my ableton live performance game haha. (btw part 2 : love the workshop you guys gave a few years ago at Clujotronic)
Fantastic! Question: any chance you will add interpolation between Variations? For me that is the holy grail of Variations, except the only device that does it is Smooth Automator. Thanks.
thanks! atm doing this will trash the undo history, this is the only thing preventing me from implementing it. but maybe it'll change one day as things evolve!
@@iftah_fow thanks for the quick reply. I wonder if there is a way to incorporate pattrstorage (Max) which allows interpolation between stored presets?
there are several ways of doing this but i strongly advise against it because at the moment of writing there is no way of doing it without trashing the undo history
need to replay this video a couple of times to really understand what just happen to my brain... the only missing thing for variation is maybe a morph possibility between snapshots, I'm not really good in max programming, don"t really know if it's something complicated to implement.
its not complicated, but it will trash the undo history, hence why i chose to leave it out for now. i can imagine to build it in once itll be possible to exclude things from the history
Hi iftah! You did an incredible job, but I still encounter two issues with Variation: 1. The Stash and Recall buttons have a latency that makes Variation unusable as soon as I select 'Devices.' 2. Variation does not remember that I have enabled clips. Each time I start my set, I have to go back into Variation to re-enable clips. Unfortunately, I won't be able to do this on the Push 3 standalone.
hi, the clip stare thing should be resolved already in the latest beta (get it on centercode), as for the other issue, please be so kind and report it to ableton support so ill be able to have a proper look
Do you think you will be able to make Variations capture the settings of VST plugins as well? Unless I am misunderstanding, it looks like it currently does not do so...would be very cool if it could in the future!
@@iftah_fow Gotcha, I just figured out how to configure the plugin I was using to be automated and Variations definitely works for it. Thank you! This was Guitar Rig 7 if that info is helpful to anyone else
Big fan of skinnerbox! This looks amazing. I have four midi controllers on different midi channels. Can I have multiple instances in one set? Can the routings and midi controller mappings be saved so I can use them in other sets?
you can use 4 instances, if you use all 48 controls of each instance (192 in total) you might see some CPU usage but it should still be manageable, as of this version midi mapping will not save with presets (but will save with the set ofc) but this is something ill def build in in a future version
@@iftah_fow this is really an amazing piece of work. Would be really great to be able to save presets with the midi mappings for other sets. This is the big limitation with Live. Currently I'm making bespoke midi scripts but they are quite complicated. Your performance pack would make midi scripts redundant! Cant wait to give it a try when live 12 comes out officially.
Amazing video and tools. Congrats! I have two questions: Can be the arrangement looper be automated? Would be nice to have a loop start automatically and press a button to disable it so playhead continues without jumps. Second one, do you have any words on MIDI input mapping being exclusively learning on Live? I have encountered many situations when trying to map external devices that send multiple non isolated messages, or that also have some kind of modulation(s) outgoing that you'd have to stop/isolate to map another message. This has been a long term issue with Live for me that would love to have addressed natively. It'd be easily done in midi mapping mode by allowing to add parameters to the list by just clicking them, and then have the ability to edit with text the channel, type, and number of the message. Even simpler, just add an edit option on right click on an existing mapping on the list, right now there's only "invert range" on the right click drop menu. Also a feature addition for performer would be to have separated mappings for button down and up states, so the momentary behavior can have enhanced flexibility. This could allow things like record or switch between automation curves while holding the button. Thanks for reading!
thank you very much, yes, arrangement looper can be automated, but you can also quantize the loop start midi mapping to performer is done via Live at the moment of writing good idea with 2 midi inputs for buttons, adding it to the Feature requests.
As a german, i love that you neither smiled nor showed any other emotion in the video :D love when germans do the germaning :D:D:D
He’s not german :) Iftah is a hebrew name :)
@@anonymousbrowser4448 tbh, I don't care where you're from 😘 if you behave like a picture perfect German, to me, you are German hahaha
@@nicoschmitt9857 LOL what in the 1930s
@@scole402 uhm, wot? Is it now anti semitism to consider a Jewish person German? Or what is it you're trying to insinuate?
@@nicoschmitt9857 Are German people really that un-expressive??
Performer device is killer. Having a singular floating GUI with customized controls that span across the entire live set... awesome!
Well done, Iftah!!
THIS is the best feature of ableton 12. Great stuff
This is a serious contribution to the Ableton toolbox, Mr Iftah. Thank you very much.🙏
holy crap this is really something.
i've watched this a couple times now, and i'm convinced that Performer especially is a really major improvement over any option we had in 11, or honestly even existed before this.
100% agreed. Having a centralized "hub" for all your specialized controls over the entire set is just awesome.
This is an astounding achievement in M4L especially when you consider it works in standalone mode. Fantastic work!
Another amazing Device !!!. would love if the rename function in performer actually changed the names also on the push screen for a completely screen-free experience. 🔥
Truly a great contribution to the Ableton Live ecosystem. Thank you 🙏
Variations alone is going to change the game for me! FINALLY, I can recall presets in stock instruments! Thank you so so so much for making this Iftah, you're a total LEGEND!♥
I didn't quite realize what the prearranger was until the demo video. That's something I've always wanted and now it's real. Can't wait to use it. Thanks for creating it.
Aamzing, thank you for everything you do for the Ableton community.
This video has made the Performance Pack the thing I’m most excited about from Live 12 - really nice work!
This will open up so so much for me. Thank you for your work and great tutorial !!!
Phenomenal work and exquisitely designed.
This is awesome. Glad Live hasn't forgotten their own name!
This is a brilliant device! Thank you for all of your effort with this demonstration and on the tool. It is very easy to see the many possibilities, and the interface is very clean 👌
This is incredible! Thank you so much. This will allow me to undo all the convoluted work-arounds I had to "invent" over the years and never felt good about. Amazing! 🙏
Thank you so much for your devices, Sting is amazing to get me inspired for solo jams. And this video is very informative and I can't wait to expand my soul into the new depths of Ableton12!
I am so excited about all this. Variations being my fav so far. It's like a superior CTRL-all function from Elektron devices embedded into Ableton. This is my favorite new feature in Live 12.
Iftah = GOAT!
Hidden Gems in Live 12 discovered tonight !!!
will practice before ask smt , as it seems so clear and complete , Best manual ever , Thanks @Iftah
Thank you for this long awaited pack, all live performers thank you!
This is amazing! loved everything. Thank you for your excellent work with this! My fave 12 thing!
You, kind sir, are a LEGEND. a true legend.
Using multiple apps including Loopy Pro and MIDI FX on my iPad Pro for this… very pleased to see this kind of performance focused surface building is also available through my favorite DAW (and controller) on Mac 😊 🙏🏻 👍🏻
Macbook, audio midi interface, Ableton Live, Push 2 and my APC40mk2… couple of cables and a pair of headphones… all in one bag 💼 👋🏻 😊 #excited
Unbelievable. I know your work and music since a long time. I love what you do. But I never imagined you would come up with a solution for my midi mapping struggle with ableton.
❤ thank you ❤
yes !
been waiting for it.
love it before even watching it.
but i will now.
im excited
Yoooooooo🎉 how does this only have 18k veiws in a month, people are asleep. Amazing stuff, can’t wait to integrate into my workflow.
Thanks for this inviting experience! I'm looking forward to try all this amazing stuff
Hi Iftah I have a question.
How are we so lucky to have such a genious person that make this next generation of Max devices?
This Is the most game changing live performances devices improvements since session view was invented.
I achieved to do something like the pre-arranger using IAC drivers and "dummy clips". But it was so tedious. This is a dream come true.
Thank you for this gift, you are great Iftah, as a person who started using ableton live 5, now 21 years later i can say that,
at my eyes you made history.
What a blessing, thanks.
hey, thats a really nice thing to say!
Iftah! You are a magician! Loving this so much and as others have already said THIS is one of the best new features in 12… so liberating for live performance 😎🤩👊🏻🔥great work mate🎵
This is quite compelling.. Great work! Would love to see an OSC integration/mode for interfacing with other software more easily than MIDI.
Variations is a much needed an incredible powerful concept / device. Too bad that the Push API is so poor that the current implementation feels like a workaround, and the most important controls, such as 'new' or 'delete' or even switching through variations is currently not supported on the Push. It would be amazing if we could store variations on the fly for scenes and automatically recall them on launch.
Great ideas. Is it possible to map variations to an external controller ? I can only map Stash and Recall, but it could be handy to recall more variations.
I have been waiting for this for a decade. Well done. I always called this sort of third mode of ableton "sandbox mode". I would be great to be able to make it full screen, so everything else disappears like in a video game. Cheers
This is the best thing since sliced beats!
Thanks so much for the video! So excited to use the pack
I love these devices, thank you so much!
As a feature request, please add the ability to see every curve in the Performer device at the same time. If you colour code them for each slot, it will make the device much easier to use when you have many different curves. Danke!
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Thank you@@iftah_fow 🙏I will follow up with a second request, I was just trying replicate my Roland TR-8s as a midi controller in the Performer device and ran out of controllers at 48 with 5 knobs remaining. Maybe in the update it would be possible to add more? I hope so. With your permission I will continue to suggest features on this thread as I keep using your devices. Danke ☺
sure, perfromer is a long time project and im planning to maintain and expand it as much as possible
@@iftah_fow Thats amazing, Im very happy to hear you will continue to work on these tools which in my mind give Live the functionality it is lacking. If I may ask ask for a third feature request: Please add midi mapping to the variations of the "Variations" device. Thank you so much 🙏🙏
Thanks for creating the prearranger! For those of us who used to used a similar (now defunct) app in the past (ZenAudio ALK2), this is a very welcome addition. Unfortunately, I think it still needs work (I'm on Mac mini M2, Sonoma 14.2.1). A few bugs have been reported to the Live 12 Beta site. For example, a clip will be recorded under the record clip on the "To track" clip. If you want to record a second/different loop on the same track by using a "To track" loop by a different name, this clip does not record (or repeat later on the "play clip") most of the time (only works about 5 % of the time). If I want to restart from the beginning without erasing the recorded loops, the loops will not consistently record again (have to manually erase the loops before hitting play from the beginning again). Not sure if you were aware of these, but I just want you to know because if this work perfectly, it will be amazing. Thanks for your work!
hi, please make sure to download the latest beta, and if you still have issues please make sure that the placement of the clips correlates with the quantize settings(i explain it in the video) if you still have issues (works fine here) please report it on centercode so i will be able to have a proper look
@@iftah_fow thanks. The latest update has fixed those issues!! Thanks so much. I was wondering if instead of playing say, a 2 bar loop that was previously recorded, we could size the play loop to just 1 bar later in the song (or, for example, copy bars 2 and 3 of a recorded 4 bar loop and paste them on the timeline to play them later...or grab 1/4 of a loop, or what ever length you want); right now the "play clip" seems to be a trigger for the whole length of the previously recorded loop no matter how you size the play loop. This would give excellent arranging flexibility. Thanks!
This absolutely amazing! One amazing feature would be a way to assign the switch between two variations to a CC so that the transition between two variations could be continuous instead of a hard switch toggle. Any plans to add such functionality?
Amazing contribution!! Thank you!! I haven´t been able to figure out how assign to a Macro on an Audio Effect Rack! Thank you once again
Killer devices you've made! Thanks a lot. I'd be really interested in your ways of optimizing your live set for small controllers. Any deeper look on what you explain at 19:32 would be very useful. Anyway, i'll keep digging the features of variations and perfomer of which I've only scratched the surface.
Thanks again.
I love this so much, thank you for creating it and for the great demo!
Some questions about the performance pack:
-will it be possible at some point to omit full tracks instead of only parameters and devices?
-have you thought about another abstraction layer where you have a variations device in set mode (parent device) interacting with variation devices in track mode (child devices), for example to create a variation for a whole song (in parent device) and have several track variations (loaded via the child)
-can you share any info if Clyphx will be able to steer the variations device? ;)
-is it possible in the performer device to launch envelopes (e.g with a momentary button and slew set to 1bar), but quantized to global quantization. E.g to launch a quantized 1bar filter sweep?
Thanks for taking the time and keep up the great work. Those devices will make Ableton THE live performance tool it always was supposed to be. I am truly excited.
thanks for the kind words.
- excluding tracks will def. happen, probably sometimes post release. for now another way of doing this is putting everything you want to control inside a group and then setting variations to control only the group
- i have never used Clyphx so im not really sure
- as for synced envelopes, yes, absolutely! just create a momentary / toggle button, draw your A/R envelope, set the slew to sync mode and select your beat division.
Thanks for the feedback. About envelope triggering, will it be possible at some point to start the envelope on global quantization? E.g. trigger it on beat 3 and have it launch on the 1 of the next bar?
@@kevinfrey4710 good idea!
It can’t be! Stunning to see it all after waiting ages for smtg stunning like this beaut…. but getting nervous trying to click around where and how to get it to make my own?!?! ❤
hi, thanks for the nice words, its currently on beta alongside live 12, so if you can, get it on centercode. the official release will be out when live 12 is out
@@iftah_fow Great! Tried to “ignore” 12 until getting Push 3, which arrives tomorrow. Also preordered 12 and will install Beta. More exciting with Performer! TNX
Awesome work!
I don't do any live performances but I can imagine how nice these devices will be for performances.
When producing, I often thought it would be nice to have something pinned to top like performer with lfos and (midi) shapers. I guess this way it would be easier to map and manipulate all the different devices in an instrument.
Really amazing work. I'm definitely giving performer and variations a go for some upcoming shows. My Push 2 has finally given up on me so I'm gonna see what I can do with the APC
Hi @iftah, this is such a huge pain-solver for me! Thank you for making this freely available to us all. I have used it now for a few weeks and I noticed some bugs, particularly using Variations. Is there a forum or group somewhere where we can post and discuss bugs?
Thanks again!
hi, please report it to ableton support directly, thanks!
amazing pack that i am so excited to explore! im curious how to activate the "performance mode" you talk about at 12:49 on the push 3 to give global control to all of your tracks? can't seem to figure that part out...
Incredible work! Thank you!
Amazing ❤ what an enhancement of live
Thank you for this amazing pack!
I would LOVE to know how, at around 14 mins in, you have the same device controls visible even when selecting different clips (and thus tracks). In standalone especially, as "select on launch" cannot be disabled, this behaviour makes integrating performer very cumbersome for me at the moment.
This man's a generous genius! Thanks!
This is fantastic. @iftah, when using the prearranger, can you suggest some way to create ‘indefinite looping’ over a portion of the arrangement (perhaps activating the arrangement loop) until released by a control action? I would like to use the prearranger to build a track until a ‘bridge’ that has audience interaction and thus needs to loop until I let it proceed. Any advice much appreciated.
Regardless, this pack is a triumph and will be really useful.
Thanks Iftah I can use this for Live jamming.. Fantastic🙏
Wait a minute... If YOU can use it for live jamming.. maybe I can too!
Excited to applly, will make Ableton a true contendor against some of the others esp with their live monitoring latency improvements. Great work!
This device is awesome Iftah, thank you so much for your hard work! Just want to ask if there is any possibility to increase the possible controls from 48 to 84 in a future update? My Faderfox MX12 for example has 60 and my PC12 84 knobs, would be nice to have one performer instance per controller. To split one controller into two performer instances is a bit unintuitive.
This is very impressive and will work very well with the M4L devices I've created for my external MIDI hardware. In fact, it will probably replace many of them!
Are there any plans to extend the range of Output Modes you currently provide? I'd like to control my MOTU AVB mixer over OSC and have been struggling to find a solution with Ableton's Connection Kit using the OSC Send device. Your Performance Pack would allow me to control channel levels, pans, aux sends and internal FX on the interface if it could output OSC commands.
I love the video, btw. Its a brilliant overview of the pack
thank you. i can def see OSC happening in a future update
performer is a game changer
this is a game changer, thanks so much for this!!!! ❤
I spent hours preparing a set using the Performer and also on different computers and different beta and standard versions of Live (both mac). Unfortunately it is super glitchy and does not properly save whatever settings you put into it. When you open the file with Performer, the knob settings are often random and not assigned properly. This can only be corrected by opening the Performer window and clicking through each number on each macro which somehow resets each knob to its proper setting. Occasionally though the, percentages will be reset to strange numbers and each needs to manually input again. Once it's all set up, it seems to be stable, however this whole process needs to be repeated each time you open your file. Unfortunately this makes Performer completely unusable. I LOVE the idea of Performer, but sadly its just not there yet.
hi, this might have happened because the set have been saved on different beta versions. it def does not happen with sets that were initially saved using the release version. if this still happens please send a report (and the set so i can try to reproduce ) to ableton support so we can have a look at it
@@iftah_fowThanks. Submitted
recently starting to perform in my band with ableton and the past few days i've been like "hmm what if there was an easy to look at screen i could pull up and i could put buttons on it and the buttons do pre-defined things, particularly the ability to map macros to multiple parameters across the daw, and i can arrange the buttons to look and behave in a way that is easy and intuative to interact with in a performance setting, negating the need to constantly manouvre around the rows and columns of tracks and fx" and then boom hey its coming out soon.... thanks lol
Hi
May I ask why you choosed to ignore disabled chains in the process of saving racks in Variations ? It's part of the "state" of the rack in a given variation. I find it more visual (and simpler) than tweeking the chain selector which is more tedious and invisible most of the time in a rack. Of course many more things can be achieved with the chain selector but for simple "synth or fx swap" in a rack, the chain activator is enough.
Anyway thanks for this excellent device.
This is so great! Needed this!
Seriously, your levels of creativity, technical ability, imagination, drive, and craftsmanship are off the chart!!!
Knowing that your ideas and passion have driven so many to create and produce works of art beyond their own capabilities must be amazing and inspirational.
I salute you, Iftah, for all the possibilities you have gifted to us mere mortals. 🫡
This looks incredible. Can't wait for the release of live 12. Can I ask, what is your custom looking midi controller?
hi, its a small controller i have built a while ago
Does Pre Arranger work on the session view? It seems very similar to the Bink Looper. It would be cool if it does. Still cool none the less. Excited to try these tools!
under the hood Prearranger actually records all the audio in session view and then automatically transfer it to arrangement view. not sure how Bink Looper works tho, it does mean that you get to keep all of your takes
Hey, is there by any chance a way to map a control within Performer (knob, slider, toggle etc...) to an input midi CC?
My intention is to set up a layout like that of a midi controller (here Novation LC XL) and to have it ready to go just by setting up the right midi channel to it without having to manually map everything. And later on be able to transfer it from one project to another without having to manually remap it all the time.
Aaaaand if in the future there could be an implementation to have the midi controller only affect the selected Performer device (in the case of several inside a project), to make it fully independant of Ableton's stiff midi mapping, this would be a banger.
A hybrid solution between a custom script and what the amazing device that Performer is already provides in other words.
By all means this is great work. Well done and many thanks.
Nice one Iftah! Just playing around with Variations, I know I'm breaking the rules here, but it would be great if 'Link to Clip' would allow the variations be triggered by triggering the clip rather than triggering the variation... my artist brain wants to use random follow actions with legato mode and record sporadic variations of synths 😛
wowww this is incredible, thank you so much!!
Hello Iftah!!! Thank you so much. Prearranger is like the ALK looper that I always wanted! :D I wanted to ask - is it possible to record multiple audio clips and then play them back in a custom order IN ONE TRACK, or should I create MULTIPLE TRACKS for this situation? I hope my question is understandable... :)))))
yes you can, just give the clips different names
These are fantastic tools! Thank you. I have noticed a lot of performance issues when using the pre-arranger. Do you know anything about that?
Great pack. Esp. Variations, since Kapture finally stopped working for me in Live 12!
Proper Game Changing devices!! Thanks for all your hard work developing them @iftah_fow❤
Thank you for making this!!
really nice work! Q's: How would you approach mapping layers with momentary and toggle buttons? Is midi led feedback, colors, blinkings, working in these mappings? Are the mappings saved in the device when saving? Are other gestures possible, i.e. fast double click, Long click etc
I love the Variations device, but I've found that once I have a couple of variations programmed, the device won't allow me to make any permanent changes in the rest of parameters within the same track without having to add them as exceptions. Whenever I make a change in any other parameter without adding it as an exception, the device switches the parameter to its previous state whenever a variation is triggered. This makes the device's functionality rather limiting, cause having to add exceptions for any other parameter I want to change or automate outside of the variation snapshots is a whole lot of work. I tried setting the device to Set mode, but this is even worse, as it does the same with all the parameters in the whole set.
The performance pack is great. I really wish that knob positions in performer could be recalled with variations though. As it is now I kinda have to choose which of them I want to use in my set.
knob positions of performer can be recalled with variations (working fine here). if this for some reason not working for your please report it to ableton's support.
That’s great to hear😊 thank you for the quick reply. Will try again with a project from scratch and report it if issue persists 🙏
I'm not a performer but I'll do a use case with producing. Just wondering if you could add an option to randomize the curve generation? That would be a cool feature to add on.
Is there a way to trigger a track-focused variation just by triggering a scene (and there's no clip on that track in that scene)? I want to keep the clips from previous scenes running and just change the variation. I guess that must be the only bottleneck of this m4l craziness Iftah has blessed us with.
good point, i will consider letting scenes control track focused variations in a future update
Why VARIATIONS doesn't let me MIDI map the different variation trigger?? It seems like a super super basic thing to do.
I really love this pack, and am super grateful that you made it. Unfortunately the Prearranger doesn't work for me. When I make a record clip it only arms the track and won't actually record a clip. If anyone can offer any help why I'd be really grateful as I really really want to use this pack!
hi, there is a beta version on centercode that should fix this
@@iftah_fow Thanks for your quick reply. The beta version is somewhat better but still really unstable and doesn't always work. So definitely not ready for live performance.
Thats an awesome device!
@iftah
Do you think it will be possible to split the grid of the push 3 in order to play multiple instruments with the same layout? I would like to customize the grid to control two synths and a few drumpads!
Hey there! Great video! So excited for pre-arranger, wow! When does it come out?
this is really up-ing my game right now. but I have one thing which I might be missing how to do : the toggle button does not seem to repeat to its off state value after it is being pressed, but just keeps the on value - I can see how this is useful for doing time based effects, like the one shot transition in the video, but I would like to use it as a quick ON/OFF switch for a delay send for example. right now this doesn't seem to work as after releasing the momentary button, the ON value perseveres. could you please tell me if there is a fix / something i m missing ? love the stuff in here. using this with touch OSC on an ipad right now and it s definitely cyborging my ableton live performance game haha. (btw part 2 : love the workshop you guys gave a few years ago at Clujotronic)
my boy thanos really just snapped his fingers to bring us this :o
this is fantastic, thank you so much! is there a way to crossfade between variations?
Not currently. It would flood the undo history.
Fantastic! Question: any chance you will add interpolation between Variations? For me that is the holy grail of Variations, except the only device that does it is Smooth Automator. Thanks.
thanks! atm doing this will trash the undo history, this is the only thing preventing me from implementing it. but maybe it'll change one day as things evolve!
@@iftah_fow thanks for the quick reply. I wonder if there is a way to incorporate pattrstorage (Max) which allows interpolation between stored presets?
there are several ways of doing this but i strongly advise against it because at the moment of writing there is no way of doing it without trashing the undo history
dillon bastan's markov variations device can also do it fyi ✨ the device is geared more towards controlling chance & randomness though
Why I have hi cpu usage with this amazing tool? (Performer)
need to replay this video a couple of times to really understand what just happen to my brain... the only missing thing for variation is maybe a morph possibility between snapshots, I'm not really good in max programming, don"t really know if it's something complicated to implement.
its not complicated, but it will trash the undo history, hence why i chose to leave it out for now. i can imagine to build it in once itll be possible to exclude things from the history
Live looping hands free feature only for arrangement? No session view? :(
Great work Iftah!
This is great, thx!
This is included in Ableton Live 12?
I imagine it is not in the beta version?
Cheers
you can get it at centercode now if you have beta access, it will be released when live 12 is out
on Variations, I can't midi map the "New" button, is that on purpose?
thanks again for this amazing tool
Hi iftah! You did an incredible job, but I still encounter two issues with Variation:
1. The Stash and Recall buttons have a latency that makes Variation unusable as soon as I select 'Devices.'
2. Variation does not remember that I have enabled clips. Each time I start my set, I have to go back into Variation to re-enable clips. Unfortunately, I won't be able to do this on the Push 3 standalone.
hi, the clip stare thing should be resolved already in the latest beta (get it on centercode), as for the other issue, please be so kind and report it to ableton support so ill be able to have a proper look
Very very good. Congrat.
thank you so much for this!
Do you think you will be able to make Variations capture the settings of VST plugins as well? Unless I am misunderstanding, it looks like it currently does not do so...would be very cool if it could in the future!
Variations captures VST plugins as well (it captures anything which can be automated). in the demo i use it with valhalla delay
@@iftah_fow Gotcha, I just figured out how to configure the plugin I was using to be automated and Variations definitely works for it. Thank you! This was Guitar Rig 7 if that info is helpful to anyone else
Big fan of skinnerbox! This looks amazing. I have four midi controllers on different midi channels. Can I have multiple instances in one set? Can the routings and midi controller mappings be saved so I can use them in other sets?
you can use 4 instances, if you use all 48 controls of each instance (192 in total) you might see some CPU usage but it should still be manageable, as of this version midi mapping will not save with presets (but will save with the set ofc) but this is something ill def build in in a future version
@@iftah_fow this is really an amazing piece of work. Would be really great to be able to save presets with the midi mappings for other sets. This is the big limitation with Live. Currently I'm making bespoke midi scripts but they are quite complicated. Your performance pack would make midi scripts redundant! Cant wait to give it a try when live 12 comes out officially.
Amazing video and tools. Congrats!
I have two questions: Can be the arrangement looper be automated? Would be nice to have a loop start automatically and press a button to disable it so playhead continues without jumps.
Second one, do you have any words on MIDI input mapping being exclusively learning on Live?
I have encountered many situations when trying to map external devices that send multiple non isolated messages, or that also have some kind of modulation(s) outgoing that you'd have to stop/isolate to map another message. This has been a long term issue with Live for me that would love to have addressed natively. It'd be easily done in midi mapping mode by allowing to add parameters to the list by just clicking them, and then have the ability to edit with text the channel, type, and number of the message. Even simpler, just add an edit option on right click on an existing mapping on the list, right now there's only "invert range" on the right click drop menu.
Also a feature addition for performer would be to have separated mappings for button down and up states, so the momentary behavior can have enhanced flexibility. This could allow things like record or switch between automation curves while holding the button.
Thanks for reading!
thank you very much, yes, arrangement looper can be automated, but you can also quantize the loop start
midi mapping to performer is done via Live at the moment of writing
good idea with 2 midi inputs for buttons, adding it to the Feature requests.