I think the problem is more a matter of people relying too much on their arm to produce pace, and it is a very valid point to address on your video. But I don't think the "windshield wiper" itself is the culprit. As shown on pro level, straight arm contact, bent arm contact and everything in between are just a matter of personal preference and the various physical capabilities of individuals. From my understanding - and feel free to correct me - shortening the lever (distance between shoulder and racket head) means reducing the energy that is transferred to the racket head through the rotation of the torso, but it also means you need less energy to move your arm, which translate with faster arm speed and thus racket speed. These are two opposing tendencies that somewhat counterbalancing themselves, though I suppose it means that bent arm contact means the arms have to be more involved, which makes having a loose wrist harder. Also, I don't agree when you say you don't produce topspin with that motion : players like Sock, Fritz or Kyrgios are hitting with a bent arm and don't seem to have issue producing spin. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong, but internal rotation of the shoulder is playing a crucial part and with a bent arm it is amplified by the fact the racket is further away from the axis of rotation than with a straight arm. Though I agree the windshield motion itself is not sufficient, players will want ideally to also extend the arm after contact and of course use leg loading, early rotation of the hips and torso before the strike.
The tucked in elbow swing makes intuitive sense because the racket face is set and there’s less happening, it’s simple. With the extended arm, it’s bigger, more variables, and even this instructor cannot tell us exactly what is happening - something about the shoulder dropping is all I hear. She’s right but surely there is a key concept, an intention, that is being glossed over. How is proper contact, proper racket face, proper wrist position, being achieved by just swing the arm?
"The tucked in elbow swing makes intuitive sense because the racket face is set and there’s less happening," The racquet face can be set with an extended arm too. There is no connection.
Totally don't get it. How elbow end pronation are connected. I can absolutely add wrist pronation (windshield) even if my hand streched out from the body.
kids need to develop their timing and coordination first in order to develop more advanced technique. The forehand is not a pull thru motion and not a push motion. It is a throw-thru motion. Relax the shoulders so you can get your hitting side shoulder in front thru contact as this will allow to do the windshield wiper motion the correct way.
Tell that to some current wta players, esp Swiatek that has elbow hugging the body. That's why her forehand can't handle pace of players like Rybakina & Krejcikova.
Lol I knew I’d find a “tell that to Iga” talk here. 98% of us aren’t Iga and I almost guarantee she’d be even better (!) if she switched to an ATP style (elbow away) FH. But what she has is working for her and she wouldn’t want to mess with something that’s not really broken. Just look at Medvedev. Do you consider THAT a proper tennis technique? More like a drunk kung fu master lol! But (!) it’s working for both of them and they compensate with explosiveness.
I think the problem is more a matter of people relying too much on their arm to produce pace, and it is a very valid point to address on your video. But I don't think the "windshield wiper" itself is the culprit. As shown on pro level, straight arm contact, bent arm contact and everything in between are just a matter of personal preference and the various physical capabilities of individuals. From my understanding - and feel free to correct me - shortening the lever (distance between shoulder and racket head) means reducing the energy that is transferred to the racket head through the rotation of the torso, but it also means you need less energy to move your arm, which translate with faster arm speed and thus racket speed. These are two opposing tendencies that somewhat counterbalancing themselves, though I suppose it means that bent arm contact means the arms have to be more involved, which makes having a loose wrist harder.
Also, I don't agree when you say you don't produce topspin with that motion : players like Sock, Fritz or Kyrgios are hitting with a bent arm and don't seem to have issue producing spin. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong, but internal rotation of the shoulder is playing a crucial part and with a bent arm it is amplified by the fact the racket is further away from the axis of rotation than with a straight arm. Though I agree the windshield motion itself is not sufficient, players will want ideally to also extend the arm after contact and of course use leg loading, early rotation of the hips and torso before the strike.
Very insightful comment 🙌
Can't believe all this is for free. Thanks for some great advice
Thank you! You are the only coach talking about this
I m beginning to like this channel more , the explanation as if i m going back to the basis Technics to correct whatever i have now .
I found that moving towards a more eastern forehand grip gave my elbow more separation from my body while still being able to hit with topspin.
Perfect advice very informative 🤔 Great shorts 👌
nice tip, tried it and has more transfer of power to the ball and it avoids one getting jammed!👏👍🎾
Very well explained! Thank you.
Pls explain the 2HBH as well.
Thanks for this video. It's really great.
The tucked in elbow swing makes intuitive sense because the racket face is set and there’s less happening, it’s simple. With the extended arm, it’s bigger, more variables, and even this instructor cannot tell us exactly what is happening - something about the shoulder dropping is all I hear. She’s right but surely there is a key concept, an intention, that is being glossed over. How is proper contact, proper racket face, proper wrist position, being achieved by just swing the arm?
"The tucked in elbow swing makes intuitive sense because the racket face is set and there’s less happening,"
The racquet face can be set with an extended arm too. There is no connection.
Щиро дякую за корисну пораду.
If you have an extreme western grip this could work someway. Not always of course. Iga does it but she uses her complete body to generate power
I agree because I tried the windshield wiper style and it felt awkward and powerless!
No legs
Totally don't get it. How elbow end pronation are connected. I can absolutely add wrist pronation (windshield) even if my hand streched out from the body.
kids need to develop their timing and coordination first in order to develop more advanced technique. The forehand is not a pull thru motion and not a push motion. It is a throw-thru motion. Relax the shoulders so you can get your hitting side shoulder in front thru contact as this will allow to do the windshield wiper motion the correct way.
excuse me but the arm is only tucked in to shorten the takeback
Why u r showing ur elbow that. Windshield wiper can be done with separated elbow also. Don't make videos for more views.
very good
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Tell that to some current wta players, esp Swiatek that has elbow hugging the body.
That's why her forehand can't handle pace of players like Rybakina & Krejcikova.
Lol I knew I’d find a “tell that to Iga” talk here. 98% of us aren’t Iga and I almost guarantee she’d be even better (!) if she switched to an ATP style (elbow away) FH. But what she has is working for her and she wouldn’t want to mess with something that’s not really broken. Just look at Medvedev. Do you consider THAT a proper tennis technique? More like a drunk kung fu master lol! But (!) it’s working for both of them and they compensate with explosiveness.
Seems like a fair comment to me. Both Iga and Medvedev illustrate that timing is the key element.