Sam Debates Actual Justice Warrior Sean Fitzgerald
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- Sam Seder is joined by Sean Fitzgerald AKA Actual Justice Warrior as they debate all things crime, walking through the impact of the George Floyd protests and the COVID-19 Pandemic on retirement rates, police funding, and overall crime rates.
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At least he had the balls to face Sam in a debate, unlike Beanie Boy or Crowder.
True at least not a total coward.
he ironically reminds me of a friend with the same name.
very niche obsessed , eventually think they're an expert, dismissive of all other points, unintentionally ignorant
@@helix9268”lol” indeed
I'm not familiar with this Sam character and just coming to find him (on here). I seriously doubt that Ben Shapiro or Crowder are running from this guy. I'm willing to bet "Sam" is no match for Crowder, and definitely not for Ben Shapiro. While not that likeable, Shapiro is extremely smart and informed. This guy here is an intellectual lightweight. It's very easy to look like one is "winning" a debate if one doesn't allow the opponent to speak freely. He continually interrupts his flow and never allows AJW to go on a roll....Plus, AJW is not so informed and he's a bit out of his depth...but that the pandemic caused the spike in crime has already been debunked over and over again, and not just by "conservatives". To stand by the idea that "defunding police" and the chaos that ensued following the G. Floyd "peaceful protests" had nothing to do with the spike in crime in most of the large cities in this country is being willfully ignorant and/or lying. Period. Truth is truth and right is right. That is all I'm after: truth.
For now, he's trying to grow his channel. He won't do these things anymore later on.
“I don’t care about root causes” LMAO, very telling that this guy would find it important to admit something like this.
So insane
Thats one of my problems with sean is he actually doesnt care.
"yeah because that would like totally reveal the root cause of something and like that would prevent my ammosexual murder fantasy larpings"....jfc... WHERE IS THIS GUYS PARENTS... ITS TIME TO STOP...someone call cps this kid needs help.
It may be because the root causes argument has a lot of holes. Poverty is often asserted as the reason if someone actually concedes that African Americans commit a disproportionate amoint of murder, etc. Yet some were always quick to point out that whites use more welfare and food stamps. There aren't really any poverty stricken white areas, for example, that have the crime rates of Philadelphia, Chicago, etc. There are cultural issues at play. Why has Cardi B been in like 10 fights since she's been famous? Is she suffering from poverty? 😂😂😂
@goldentaco4970 how policed are impoverished white areas in comparison to black neighborhoods?
AJW: Punishment is the worst deterrent.
Sam: So how do you want to reduce crime?
AJW: Put people in jail.
Sam: OK….What about root causes?
AJW: Yeah that’s dumb.
we don't punish people because of deterrent. its a punishment.
those are two separate issues.
we have to throw killers in jail. we dont say "we'll throwing him in jail wouldnt solve the root cause"
@@kurolap7882 He literally said when talking about shoplifters to put more of them in jail to reduce crime. And he doesn’t even believe in root causes because that’s just a rabbit hole.
@@Popcornandcomment5 why are there certain cities that have all of the shop lifting? because there are certain cities that simply aren't arresting people for shoplifting. If you make it legal to steal stuff, and you belong in a culture in which stealing doesnt make you a social periah, people will steal stuff.
is that not true in your opinion?
@@kurolap7882 So you're saying that the punishment is a deterrent.
@@kurolap7882 Why does every other western country have a lower rate of inmates per capita and a lower recidivision rate?
Shouldn't the USA and its draconian prison system be the beacon of a crime free country?
What's the difference between Europe and USA?
The ONLY thing I can say against “poverty drives crime” is that it also turns out that rich/successful people are also MASSIVE criminals.
Remember that crime is a function of law and enforcement; what laws are passed and how they are enforced. The kinds of crimes impoverished people commit are enforced more than the kinds of crimes wealthy people commit. The laws themselves are also different depending on which class does which crime, see crack cocaine vs power cocaine law enforcement for example. And of course some things that maybe should be or were illegal are legal, like stock buybacks, various tax evasion schemes, usury, landlording etc. A poor person doesn't have the means to navigate or participate in those systems while a wealthy person does, effectively excluding them from any prosecution.
"poverty drives crime" is usually an easier way to say "economic inequality causes class conflict which leads to crime" which is the real statement
@@Montewtf If anything it is more that unhappiness lead to crime.
Unhappy because you are poor? You might start stealing.
Unhappy because you don't get laid? You might start visiting brothels or rape people.
Unhappy because you are envious? You might kidnap someone to torture them and see someone else suffer more than yourself.
Unhappy with your salary? You might start stealing from the company.
Unhappy with your love rival? You might murder the person, or frame them for a crime.
Unhappy despite rich and famous? You might do unthinkable things to entertain yourself.
@@linusgustafsson2629 can you stop responding to me talking about rape. it's really weird
I mean look at the Epstein circle..
It's so transparent that this guy is just another run of the mill racist working backwards from the racist assumptions.
It's also so funny that he thinks people can't see through it.
.. or you could say, that sam is working backwards from trying to not admit that certain disenfranchised cultures can encourage problematic criminal themes.
Those themes might even be due to capitalist manipulation such as artificially promoting 'gangster rap' and stuff. But they still exist, possibly as a result of those influences.
@@sub-harmonik You do realize that "gangsta rap" hasn't been a widely popular genre since the 90s and early 2000s, yes?
@@MichaelCasanovaMusic it was an example, and one which has influenced a lot of music and culture after it.
Maybe criminals have always been seen as 'cool' but influences like gangster rap definitely don't help.
@@sub-harmoniklike white culture and their insane theft rates?
well, to be fair, a lot of his fellow racist simps can't, as evidenced here in their comments.
17 min in I remembered solving murders isn’t something the US is good at comparing other countries.
A huge percentage of murders in the states are gang killings with little or no seeable connection. That is something most countries do not deal with. In normal places that don't have rap culture everywhere most murders are committed by someone who knows you well.
Ex partner, ex friend, family member etc. Those cases are much more easily solved.
@@FoxExcess you absolutely bolstered your credibility by linking "rap culture" with "gang killings". 😂😂
That "rap culture" in Mexico, for example, must be crazy when the US government issues warnings on visiting due to the cartel. 😂😂
You talking crap, other countries send evidence to I think Florida to do forensics.
@@FoxExcess Poverty, systemic racism, and another sign pure capitalisms prerequisite is not everyone can benefit all the same. Poverty drugs crime
Because black people don't want to snitch on each other just google a whiter city vs a blacker city...
I've worked retail or service for 40 years. About half of those employers stole my wages at some point. I shouldn't have to sue to recover those wages. It's theft. I should be able to go to the police and report it and then immediately recover those wages and get my employer charged with the crime of theft. Repeat offenders should be removed from society permanently. That should deter my employer from stealing it in the first place, right?
I’m conservative and idk anyone who would disagree with that assuming it was malicious and not a logistical mistake. Did you ever bring this matter up with your employers?
Can you clarify how the theft happened exactly? Did they send you less money to your account than you should have? And couldn't you have sued them for millions of dollars because of that as a deterrent? If they did it to you wouldn't your colleagues have had the same problem? That could be an easy group lawsuit that lawyers would take for free. can you please clarify I'm interested
There’s a process in place to prosecute for wage theft. Same as there’s a process in place for prosecuting retail theft.
Both of these things occur because people think they will get away with it.
@@swampysix9375 yes, you have to sue your employer. That is a long process and you you will end up losing more wages then if you kept your mouth shut and just figure out how to avoid further loss. For retail theft the police can be called and the thief caught and your property returned immediately. There is very little to protect workers from their employers. Business owners have more tools on their side that is backed up by institutions.
What a lot of people don’t get is how silent and innocuous this theft is.
Many of us trust that what is on our check is accurate because that’s the system. We clock in and out and there are payroll people and all kinds of math etc that goes into our checks.
This is also why it’s so easy for a large company to skim here and there or do creative math on a subtle level so an individual won’t be shocked at a single check but over time and with thousands of employees it adds up to “savings” or “profit” for the company.
They know that people won’t notice or come after them and if they do they will cut a check and play dumb or at worst pay a fee and do the same again.
To put it in shoplifting terms if an employer steals a candy bar off of all of its employees - that’s a GRIP of candy bars.
They don’t empty your pockets - they just work hard skimming them while you are busy MAKING THEM MORE MONEY.
Interaction with the police for not doing anything is _not_ harassment everyone. I wish cops would go and not harass Sean repeatedly.
Pretty unhinged of you
@@fredrickkenley674 Unhinged? It's unhinged to satirically suggest that the harassment that Sean literally wants to pervade the black community with should be applied to him in some way? That the sentiments he holds towards others would feel drastically different if they were somehow directed at him? That is not unhinged.
Unhinged is when you say that the black community should be policed more heavily than any other community and completely deny every metric and reason why things are the way they are, as Sean did here.
Unhinged is when you repeatedly tell followers, like many in the republican party, to literally go after and attack various "enemies of the state." That is unhinged.
What I did is satire. Do you now understand the difference?
@@JonathanMartin884 You cooked Frederick so badly he disappeared for 12 months 💀
*spends a ridiculous amount of time talking about people stealing from a store*
*only spends like a second talking about white collar crime and failed policies that allow millions to live in or near poverty*
Brings up Bernie Madoff in order to say "nonviolent crime" includes market speculation scammers and then promptly gets more mad at shoplifting. Hmmm.
"missing the forest for the trees" needs a more visceral description
Why do poor whites and east asians commit less crime than middle class blacks?
And missing the connection between the two in the process
@@feistygheisty Yeah, he even said Bernie Madoff ruined more lives than a serial killer. I felt like he was almost close to getting it, but no. Shoplifters > Serial killers😆
A foolproof sign you won a debate: your drones start brigading the comment section to defend your honor, thus increasing engagement. Sam gets under these guys' skins so effortlessly.
So good isn't it like I love how much fear the right have for Sam
I mean, I'm sure some of them are scared or whatever, but it feels like they also genuinely fall for his "I'm no big city lawyer" bit. It's crazy how every one of these guys run into the same brick wall with a tunnel painted on it.
This is a guy that seems to have figured out the same thing that RFK Jr. has, which is that being able to reel off a bunch of statistics is really impressive to some people. But just like RFK Jr., this guy doesn't actually understand those statistics. They both work from a place of bias that ends up clouding their views on what those statistics mean.
Ignorance > fear > hate > anger.
Going by the chat in which you can see in AJW video…. It’s the TMR audience that is unhinged
AJW just keeps losing the same argument over and over....that's the real crime.
😢😂
Lol
What same argument?
@@aaronrubalcava7810 "crime is scary we need bigger prisons and for cops to be more racist" that one. Literally the only thing he ever talks about.
@@feistygheisty what? When did he say"we need cops to be racist",
As a home Depot worker, The power drills are locked up and need to be taken up front by an associate in order to purchase one. We are also not allowed to follow a shop lifter outside if they steal an item we can only report the theft to the theft portal on our first phones.
How many power drills does your company need to sell to break even with every one that gets stolen?
I bought a Ridgid cordless set that wasn’t in a cage a few months back there too
Shoplifting has always been a thing but what makes it worse is how cocky they are while stealing. No running, no clever thinking, just walk right out and act offended and righteous when confronted. Fck thieves
@@86Framer Well then that home Depot is not following the correct procedures.
@@TheRedDeath25 It is common in lower theft areas to not have some power tools locked up.
High shoplifting rates are why some urban areas don’t have large grocery stores with competitive prices and so on.
So, these organized shoplifting rings are taking food out of the mouths of children and the elderly.
@@TheRedDeath25yea, mine aren't locked up either man.
I worked at Sherwin in a ghetto in ca. We had a buzz in door it was so bad because we were robbed at gunpoint 6 times in 3 months.
Always depends on the area.
"I wouldn't call myself an expert on crime." -AJW
Good, neither would we ☠️
Neither are, so your point is redundant.
It’s ironic because you won’t take the data that he sites from actual experts
Sam gave up and was unable to chainage anything Sean was saying. so Sam cut him off in mid-sentence tucked tail just turned it in to an interview. Sean held his own, but never really pushed back that much and that's his only fault.
Sean has the data from actual experts, but you won't look at it.
He’s an expert next to Sam so if you think he’s bad, your guy is 10 times worse.
This guy does 50 videos per week about black crime, claims to “not be an expert” and then completely disregards sociology lmao
I miss Michael Brooks. I can hear him making fun of Sam as he talks.
@@pranays Your right! He would!
Hed be looking at his watch impatiently waiting to close the show out. With occasional cackling in the background
Sean is way over his head.. Now he knows why Tim Pool is scared to Debate Sam in anything LOL
Since Sean wants to Only debate about Democratic Cities after Covid and BLM riots.... How about Republican States... My City, Jacksonville... Crime was up locally more than Orlando, Tampa, Miami.
Car Thief is up because of converters being very expensive. Drugs is up of course because of Fentynal still not being classified as a banned drug. Gun Deaths is also up because of said Drugs and Gangs from other states moving in because Jacksonville is not a gang city. With the Right Wing also moving in, White Crime is also up.
What Sean also did not factor in.. Alot of people DIED during Covid when they caught the virus.. So did Police people.
You think AJW was scared at any point in this debate? where? rofl. sam bumbling like biden here.
@@rodintremboy6459incompetent
“I don’t care about the root cause of problems”. lmao
Yeah that was an insight into his thinking
@@RoodiniCats I think the point is there isn’t a single root cause. Sam conceded that poverty isn’t the only reason. Seems like he went with racism is the problem. But not Jewish racism only black racism
@@maxpower8429 He explained he didn't care what Sam deemed to be the root cause. What you said it accurate too there isn't a single root cause to a crime epidemic certain parameters within the environment need to be set to allow and incentivize those events to occur
His point was that focusing on root causes can be fallacious depending on circumstances. You still have to mitigate the symptoms of a problem, for example:
Imagine you have a heart attack, and you go to a hospital. The doctor says "well you should eat better and exercise" and then you reply with "well yeah, but I'm dying and I need surgery". The root cause might be clear, but it's not very helpful or pragmatic to focus on that when there's an immediate need.
@@stephenforrester6776 terrible analogy
The guy complains about police having to work OVERTIME when that's really ALL they care ABOUT. They spend the last few years of their careers PADDING their hours to retire with a whopper of a pension. Not just COPS, but ALL of THEM!!!!!!
Whoooooosh
No he also complained how crime affects everyone and the culture is what caused this
40:42 is an absolutely fucking brutal moment for Sean. He should ask the victims' families of serial killers and families who lost money in a ponzi scheme and see who's more traumatized. Something is off with Sean's sympathy wiring.
i think the purpose of his channel isnt to provide solutions its to gain a following by "exposing" the left.
Plenty of people committed suicide from what Bernie Madoff did. Like indirectly Bernie Madoff probably killed about as many people as an average serial killer and also ruined thousands of others lives.
It not that it doesn't care, it's incapable.
VERY VERY off like with most of these grifter Rep talking head fascists!!
i'm convinced the basic difference between left and right is empathy.
His premise breaks down about 22 minutes in, where he’s claiming BLM protests and some unspecified reforms drove massive numbers of police into early retirement.
Ikr? It sounds like he's saying cops retired because they can't abuse unarmed black men with impunity anymore. It's like the guys who hate metoo because they're worried they can't stop themselves from sexually harassing women. Lol
I would say it was 11 minutes in.
That's funny because he specified the reforms perfectly you either didn't watch/pay attention or you're dishonest
@@kidfunkyfri3308 21:55 AJW says there’s “no specific reform” that pushed police into retirement. So what specific reform did you hear?
@@kidfunkyfri3308no it's funny, you're just slow.
To make an analogy:
Someone drops dead from a heart attack.
Sean's assertion is, look at all the junk food he ate.
Every other rational person points out that he didn't exercise, smoked 20 packs a day and had a genetic predisposition.
Sean returns to the junk food.
Teachers are leaving at 3 to 5% police are leaving at 1%
They’ll never give a shit.
These guys don’t view cops as public servants doing positive things for their communities, they see them (correctly) as the blunt, punitive instruments of their government used to punish the people they don’t like.
That's not an argument, you can't just say a statistic out loud as though there's a point being made there
Bro there’s 4 million teachers in this country. There’s 800k cops in this country. 🤦🏼♂️
Bro, 249 police died last year alone. You can't leave a job if you die. That's not mentioning the people that don't make it through the academy or their first year. There's also a major issue with teaching. In colorado a lit of teachers quit over the requirements forced on discussing gender with kids. This added with kids having worse homes because everyone became alcoholics during the pandemic, theres a lot of reasons why both fields have understaffing. I can tell you I'm in a blue state major city that's shy by 100 officers, they don't have anyone qualified on background applying.
@@Joshpower57 How many teachers have died on the job? It’s not a hazard of the work, but dying is absolutely leaving a job.
Here’s what I’d like to ask this guy. He asserts that he believes the Floyd protests caused police to resign and thus crime to go up. So what’s special about the Floyd protests in particular that they had this effect? We’ve had plenty of anti police protests that turned violent throughout history. If we looked at every single one of them, would we always see a corresponding rise in crime and police resignations? And if not, why is this the only one? If it only happened after some of them, that implies that there is not causation. This dude likes numbers, so surely he would be willing to establish whether or not the data actually supports his theory.
"Black lives matter riots"
I have no idea why Sam didn't ask why it did. A cop killed a guy by pinning him on a curb for over 9 minutes while he was cuffed. WHAT IS SEAN's problem with a protest about that?
@@mickael486 at a minimum, it was exposed in the first minute(s) it's a bigot. "Black lives matter riots"
🎯✊
You can actually go back a look at the stats of this every time there is an instant that leads to BLM riots there is an increase in early retirement and Police officers quitting or moving from big cities
I appreciate Sam spending 90 minutes of his life dragging Sean SO CLOSE to just saying the N Word.
This.
Typical race obsessed TMR viewer comment
Seriously.
@@remylebeau_ damn, you really shill for your media daddies. That comment history LOL
@@remylebeau_ Typical fascist AJW Stan. Funny how you all showed up during the steam and started throwing out anti-semitic comments every 20 seconds.
"Have fun there, i've heard he has a great skate park"......"He does!"
Fucking hilarious.
"root causes are not more important than any other cause" which, roughly translate to, "I don't want to understand why people do bad things." What a psychotic statement.
In my neighborhood the elderly are terrified of getting robbed by their grandchildren.
I do think asking why leads to victim blaming. "Why did you wear that skirt" sounds a lot like "Why don't you use your business profits to feed the poor."
The poor teen, the working class cop, and the rich CEO all shouldn't be committing crimes.
@@gwenrichard7507im sorry. do you think the root cause of rape is people dressing provocatively?
Because this is a fundamental flaw in leftist thinking, that to reduce crime we have to solve the root causes. There are HUGE problems with this idea: first, root causes are much more EXPENSIVE to fix than having an effective police force. For example, a lot of research had shown that single parenting is a serious root cause of criminal activity. America has spent BILLIONS of dollars helping single parents, and we still have not fixed the outcomes for their children! The 2nd reason why root causes are not important, is because they can be attributed to FREE WILL. AJW gave a FANTASTIC example of the poor Jewish community in NYC, who commit almost no crime, despite their poverty. Black communities are absolutely poisoned by the rap/gang culture, and there isn't any conceivable way the government could change that. Finally, we have irrefutable proof that crime can be reduced without fixing the root causes by the fact that it massively dropped in the late 90's/early 2000's without any of those "roots" being addressed.
@gwenrichard7507 Bro you cannot conflate the victim blaming of rape victims to CEOs being called out for fucking the economy.
Sam gave Sean the dignity of looking past his subtle racism and his tight ties with Devon Tracey who employs tactics that are much more extreme in their racism.
What subtle racism specifically?
@@str8delco589 He excused the lynching of Emmit Till.
☹️
That's cause Sam knows it's a trap. He leads the audience to make the racial connection without stating it. If he did, Sean would have ran down a dialogue Tree in defense. He really is a good rhetorician.
@Nemo12417
Nope that’s a lie.
Sean is shook. Even his lip is twitching. You don't have to be a lib to say Sam is a beast when it comes to debates. I completely understand why Conservatives don't invite him to their show. Yikes
Sam seemed to lose interest here ,the last 30 mins was pointless.
@howardbueker9796 lolllololololol
@howardbueker9796 crimes quite literally did increase in the early parts of the depression... then Roosevelt's social programs to mitigate the economic destitution kicked in.
@howardbueker9796 it did though.
@howardbueker9796 And you think Rich people stopped being rich back then and NEVER did crimes? The Tulsa Massacre wasn't a crime? The Prohibition wasn't considered a crime? What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
I wish you had gotten to that end part sooner, because he's hiding his power level all the time.
His full power level was revealed in his debate with Vaush, in which he openly stated that high black crime has nothing to do with socioeconomic factors, but instead that some people are simply more predisposed to criminal behavior.
@@scorpionxiiclips It's weird how these guys just end up arguing for blacks being lesser... Spend so much time dog whistling, and then when push comes to shove it's just "they're just not as good as whites innit."
Right wingers never cease to not shock me...
Criminal justice, the science of justifying police brutality and racism through horrible statistical methods and leaving out key variables.
@@scorpionxiiclips He didn’t say anything about being predisposed. He said some groups behave worse than others. And that’s a fact. The cause of that is not economic, it’s bad parenting and a culture of encouraging and excusing bad behavior.
@@FatherManus He has said both, because they are not mutually exclusive. The first explains why is X, and the second one points to the X. Sean also puts forward the idea that poverty doesn't cause crime, which is his way of denying that red lining increased black crime, while he also puts forward the opposite claim that crime causes poverty, which is his way of blaming black people for their neighborhoods being in poverty.
PS: All major criminological organizations globally all agree that poverty is the main driver of crime rates.
"It could very well be true...' 😆 Notice how when the statistics support his point AJW they are absolute and he knows them back and forth, but when the statistics don't support his flimsy correlation, suddenly he's not sure, doesn't know them and maybe the numbers are right, maybe not. This guy's already done, cooked crispy and he's barely started his first argument.
...You act like Sam knew every stat and didn't have to look anything up
@@FoxExcessof course he did. Sam covers this every now and then, but this is AJW’s thing, he talks about crime all day long.
@@FoxExcesswhat would that matter if the facts support the argument?
@@FoxExcessThe OP’s point was not about simply having to look up stats, but that the only stats he was confidently familiar with were those that backed his position. This suggests, IMO, that this dude goes looking for data that helps him while avoiding or discarding data that does not confirm his existing bias.
Yup AJW is dumb.
Crime in the United States went down in almost every category in 2023, according to new data from the FBI. The data runs counter to popular perception, with a recent poll finding 77 percent of Americans believe crime is up compared to a year ago. NBC News’ Monica Alba reports.
One of these days Sam is going to keep debating until everyone leaves the studio and turns out the lights.
Sam's debates will forever live on long after we're all gone.
hangs up his microphone one last time...
Just need the last caller of the day to be a libertarian.
He couldn't even debate Destiny properly and he ended this one as soon as he could due to not having any coherent points. Way to make Emma look even more asinine
@@BukBrekker Can you please explain how the BLM protests caused crime rates to go up?
Because the guest couldn't.
Okay, just started.
But, gosh... what could have been happening in 2020-21 that wasn't normal? Hmmm. Big question.
Spoiler alert: apparently it wasn't COVID according to one of them.
I love how you can tell Sean actually did his research and is coming in good faith meanwhile Sam is just trying to get him in logic pitfalls because he has no facts on his side. When Sam catches an L he changes topics really quickly, he gets fed sources through his team and you can visibly see his face change when it doesn't align with his points and obviously he's quick to dismiss factual examples from Sean when it doesn't suit him, but will glue on to individual examples when it does. Sean clearly carried this debate by any objective metric and any good faith view. Had Sam treated the conversation with more good faith and genuine curiosity it might've been an actual decent conversation.
Bad for Sam when facing mediocre Sean
Sam asks a question, the guy replies then same asks another question hoping to have a big OWN prepared, but it never comes, so it's a cycle of "how do you think X"? But then he gets it right and Sam literally has nothing after that repeated over and over...it's also funny how Sam will tell him to calm down when he refuses to be interrupted and keeps talking right through Sam lol.
Sam's refusal to listen to stats based on city's but then bring up his own city based stats was also annoying
Nah Sean got cooked
So you watched that whole thing and concludes that Sean had facts and good faith? I know we all carry our own biases into these things, but wow I just don’t see any way to agree with you on this. He’s saying a national movement to acknowledge the human value of minorities somehow lead to a “culture of crime”? This is such a racist trope and always has been. No facts or good faith to be found.
Its frustrating that AJW sounds really rational, and educated (he is), and good faith, but can't grasp simple concepts. The fact that he can take in so much information but can't grasp that people being naturally prone to committing crime isn't a valid explanation of the problem, and that saying poverty causes crime isn't excusing crime is frustrating.
hes not missing it he is a fascist he knows and doesn't care
It's not good faith though, it's willful dishonesty
He's perfectly capable of grasping it. He just doesn't want to.
I don't think he sounds like he's good faith at all! Matt Lech suggested he may find financial reasons to be so dense.
Because fascist can't let go of the bone. His bone is that black people are the problem. No matter how often you point to that not being the case.
cops in nyc dont act on complaints of ppl smoking weed..... he knows this.
watching AJW glitch out when Sam asks him "what do you think drives crime?" was so so satisfying.
I really don't know why he won't just say "Cuz black people are inherently bad and scary". Literally everyone knows that is his message.
@@coletrickle1775 When you’re 13% of the population and you commit the majority of violent crimes, I think it’s safe to say it’s inherent.
Do you have a time stamp I'd love to see it
@@coletrickle1775 I wish he would just own up to it. He's a spineless twitchy coward.
@@Alex-cw3rz1:23:12
Let's be real here. His screen name isn't the reason people don't take him seriously.
He’s wrong, and not the only one who knows and has seen a criminal justice degree. Oooh
And the words he says.
@@fabians228how is he wrong?
@@stephenforrester6776I mean if you can't see how easily Sam debunked him, there's not much we can do for you. It is so clearly spelled out for him in so many numerous ways, I refer you to the video as if we're gonna sit here and have a drawn out rehashing in the TH-cam comments when it's all literally right there for you. If you didn't get it then, you won't get it now either
@@RedceLL1978 Sam didn't really debunk anything that he said. What specific points are you referring to?
From what I saw, Sam was being incredibly obtuse and kept trying to poke holes in Sean's logic, but Sam didn't make any concrete arguments against his points.
"I don't like putting modifiers on the word justice."
Cool, cool. What did you say your two degrees were in again?
Doesn't matter, he managed to legally rape Sedar.
😂
I’ve seen this clown in five debates. It’s hilarious how confident he’ll try to appear about “clear, objective data” to test an opponent’s resolve…
And then *immediately* move to some subjective, anecdotal bullshit like “Well, it’s not the *number* of officers, it’s how *good* they are!”
It’s an indefeasible point that totally undercuts his previous statements, but he’ll double back to both of them the moment the opponent switches angles.
@@christianc.christian5025 Why are you lying? he's made an ass out of almost everyone he's gone up against. Especially spineless Lance and Cenk's nephew. You're also completely being disingenuous about his position, much like Sedar.
@@christianc.christian5025I feel like the example you gave actually makes sense because a bunch of rookie officers are definitely gonna be less effective than veteran officers
imagine working at home depot and dying because you tried to stop a theft.
When I worked in retail pretty much no one in the whole store would care about shoplifting other than management lol
@@donovan4222that works just fine when crime is at manageable or even lesser level. But when it’s multiple times a day, and say you get paid commission on those products assholes are stealing…..also there are places that are straight shitting down with people losing their jobs because of insane theft.
It’s not that same world now
Every retail job I’ve ever had has told me never ever to confront a thief. The insurance covers losses like that, it’s not worth dying over.
It was genuinely one of the more insane things he talked about. Walgreens and Walmarts have ironclad insurances that cover losses for theft.
If a store left, that was their own call regardless of whatever thieving happened there.
@@erikreinhardt7955 Indeed, Walmarts proclaimed reason for leaving being theft was bullshit, they left because the store in question was talking about unionizing. Its all bullshit. Every gd time. RW'ers are just so gaslit to the point they think truth is gaslighting.
Sam soooo loves doing these.
😊
I like it when a rando Libertarian calls in and Sam's face lights up. lol
@LinkRocks it's so wholesome
He doesnt believe in the war on drugs, just the war on the poor.
Crimes drives poverty, like when people get to pay double fur groceries when large chains leave an area due to high theft.
@@86Framer where are they changing double? Fucking where?
@@OctoSavage When the big grocery stores like Walmart close in a neighborhood. The only option is smaller stores that also have to deal with a lot of theft and are buying items by the case instead of by the truckload.
You’ve never compared a big city corner store’s prices to a large grocery store’s?
In my neighborhood I have to pay double to make spaghetti, if I shop locally.
@@86FramerLMFAO, I’d love to see the numbers on the “mass Walmart closings due to shoplifting” occurrences.
You people are so pathetically full of shit. This guy has such a small TH-cam following that I don’t understand why you don’t just say that you’re fascists and like it that way.
@@86Framer can you show me any evidence at all a Walmart closed in a small town due to crime and not the company deciding it wasn't profitable to keep open. Because that's exactly the reason store's have closed in big cities, even the companies admitted to just hiding behind crime to protect their stock values
It took until 1h25m to get to the truth as I know it from criminal justice research. There are a multitude of factors that contribute to crime rates that all work together either to reduce or induce crimes. Poverty, risk of being caught, social stigma, mental illness, feeling of belonging to the society, norms, inequality etc etc. If you let a society get run down, remove good schools, dont provide jobs and counseling, dont have things for kids to do, provide health care etc then crime rates will go up long term.
Yes, but you can atleast point to what you should be doing first. I think AJW is right that policing is the foundation on which you build the other stuff you mention. It's a massive problem if mentally ill or poorly educated don't get treatment, but an ever bigger problem if they also commit crimes and for example steal from the people who are trying to earn an honest living.
But ThaTs tOo CoMpLiCateD
@@suckieduckie AJW denies that root causes play a role at all though. If you listen near the end he states that he thinks the majority of crime is just "human nature" that comes out to play when there are weak deterrents. Its completely insane. Just to have the position that poverty or mistreatment of certain racial groups plays a minor role or no role at all...its totally unfounded. There is no such thing as a criminality gene lol, and certainly not a criminality gene that that can be linked to certain races which is what he is basically arguing when he says that blacks and latin americans commit crime at higher rates
@@radscorpion8 "AJW denies that root causes play a role at all though."
No.... And you even know this because after that you say that the majority, IE not all of it, is human nature. Which is true.
A little inside baseball for ya'll from a uniformed NYC employee... We are seeing record retirement across all municipal jobs right now for one reason only. You see it's a sad reality that when society suffers most, municipal job forces see the ability (sometimes mandatory) to max out on overtime. I saw this personally during Hurricane Sandy and Covid. Here is the rub... When your pension income is based on the best three years retirement tends to spike following three or even two of the most lucrative years of ones career.I have been going to retirement parties non-stop for the past year or so as you might imagine. We worked every Sunday, day off, and every day OT all through Covid.
NYC employee is not specially an NYPD Officer. So why should we care about your farm league inside baseball.
@@512TexasRed Because if you don't think cops were getting overtime over the last few years, I got a bridge to sell you.
@@meprivate6923 weird I never said they were or weren’t.
Sounds like a rigged retirement system and people abusing it, more than anything else
Spirit of the law, am I right officer?
I understand that you guys do an incredibly hard job. It's sad to see that people who are still needed feel like they have to take an opportunity to get out. At the same time, I'm glad people have the option to retire after the most difficult 3 years of their career. Could have been a lot worse if not for them.
The debate was over in the first 10 minutes the so-called Justice warrior or whatever stupid thing he calls himself obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
Do you think fewer cops working a bunch ton of OT, are as effective as more cops working regular hours?
Sam, "i want to only focus on national stats" starts bringing up city stats as soon as they are favorable to him
Context matters dope fiend
@@metalheadedtothemax it does. I watched the whole thing. Context doesn't change anything
@@metalheadedtothemax now unless you want to sound like Andrew Tate who just claims all the things he's said are taking out of context perhaps you can tell me how the context changes what iv said?
@@rorynolan2322
You watched the whole thing with that wooden brain of yours, mouth agape, eyes rolled into the back of your head
So context does in fact change everything 😂
@@rorynolan2322
Now unless you want to sound like Andrew Tate and argue that your personal experience is better than facts
You'll accept that Sam talking about cities is a series of responses that poke holes in ASQW's nonsense arguments, meanwhile, Sam talks about national trends because they paint a better picture for how the pandemic affected crime on every level as opposed to "cops feelings hurt so they quit" and "the big bang of crime because police brutality reforms" 😂
For example, Sam brings up the state of Connecticut to point out how their rehabilitation programs have a positive impact vs the draconian measures actual status quo warrior can't stop humping.
Matt chuckling in the back was bothering him lmao
His uptick in violence had nothing to do with police reform because there wasnt any.
Right he was speaking on reform of a year that they were even active in he’s just talking out his ass
@@WeyesC that "reform" wasn't really reform at all... most of those changes have been undone -- and many departments either rebuffed any suggestions of reform or attacked the people requesting the reforms .. as is evidenced by what is now going in in Atlanta with Cop City.
@@kpw84u2 I’m agreeing with you
Yes. I see that. I was just piling on ✌🏼
Yes there was.
I think Fitz did a bit of a self report when he was so adamant about being happy crime stats are down…none of his other statements the entire debate support this assertion….
How much are crime statistics down?
Are we taking about say 39 murders instead of 41 the year before type situation?
@@86Framer irrelevant.
The premise laid out was "the after effects of the BLM riots" caused crime to spike in 2020, 2021, 2022. 6:00 - 7:00
Are we still dealing with the after effects of BLM in 2023 or not? If we are, isn't it supposed to result in an increase in crime?
Financial crimes effect more people that serial killers, so that means there isn't such a thing as violent crime and non violent crimes?
I'm wondering why he isn't getting into his take on crime and race, or talking about how great mass incarceration is because "it worked" (I believe he said on the podcast)
He says there is a difference between victimless crimes and crimes with victims.
@@katelynssugarpuddin1587 he specifically expressed frustration with the use of the term "violent offender"-which implies that the distinction is inconsequential. its very much not. if he is so passionate about crime statistics, evaluating crimes on a case by case basis is pretty important.
@@betterthanrae8137 it should be on a case by case basis, that is his point. Just labeling it all violent or non violent shouldn't be the only classifications needed.
@@katelynssugarpuddin1587if its really important to classify crimes, it seems like a weird strategy to get frustrated at crimes being classified as non violent. seems like you are arguing with your boy here, not me.
I don't think he was saying there shouldn't be a distinction between violent and nonviolent crime, he was saying that nonviolent crime doesn't receive due attention and that it can be a predictor of violent crime.
“In my opinion.”
That is the basis of all his arguments. Literally.
Some More News put out a video on this just yesterday.
Sam’s arguments yes
@@deus_vult8111
I guess you didn't watch the debate.
"Root causes are not more important than any other cause"
I'm sorry, there's been a lot of wild claims made by this dude, but I was absolutely floored when he made this admission about his utter lack of comprehension of this topic. If you don't get why, let me use a bit of my learning about getting rid of weeds for you. If you manage to tear the roots of a weed out, without getting the whole weed, it could potentially survive, but can be addressed more easily. Alternatively, if you rip the sprouts off a weed, but leave the root, it keeps growing back. This is a core part of why we refer to things as the root of something, because it is fundamental to the development of something, and because if its not addressed, then the aftereffects cannot be meaningfully addressed either, as they will keep coming back. With humans, root causes of things like criminality can be much harder to find and address, as we are complicated creatures, however that does not change the fact that our roots do the same thing, and therefore finding, understanding, and addressing root causes, is the most important thing long term. The only way a person could defend a devaluing of the importance of root causes, is if their goal is not actually a long term solution, and it is seen as acceptable to just attempt to force the circular peg of short term solutions, into the square hole of long term problems, like prevention.
I am sure AJW learned something in his education, but he clearly missed a lot of info too if he can't even grasp this basic concept of prevention.
Not everything works like that though. The shifting of tectonic plates is the root cause of earthquakes. But we still building proof and take precautions against earthquakes.
@@areliablesource7733 yes, because the fault lines were already built on. I am sure there are exceptions, but neither earthquakes, nor criminality are examples of an exception.
Sam - "and I just wanted to give you credit for that..."
Weirdo - "Ohh thank youuu"
Total power move by the great Thanos Seder over here.
Thanos Seder 😹😹😹
😂😂😂 always blaming the blacks
Because he's a racist.
*The Dunning-Kruger effect's* got him. The lack of self awareness is severe. Because of whatever it is he thinks of himself, he doesn't care that folks can see that he has a *weaselly agenda* to blame a specific community. He can't help himself because the *cognitive dissonance* drives him to keep on trying to prove his weaselly arguments in order to save face.
@@Based_Proletariatbecause they literally commit the majority of violent crime.
Oh boy, Mr. Race realism himself
I live in a town with a military shipyard, they are also having a very hard time filling spaces for tenured/skilled workers. Many jobs are suffering from this, why? Because the largest generation in this country is retiring. Some are retiring early because of things like covid, or other reasons, working conditions, etc. I can understand why cops are retiring early, but this is a trend across most jobs that have a "skilled" workforce, this isn't just a police issue.
Exactly, it's just an excuse for AJW to blame BLM.
@@blakehampton2331 Yeah their such a righteous bunch of folks. Did exactly what I said they would do. Ran the biggest hustle on white folks ever. Didn't help anyone but themselfs
Love it. Then couldn't wait to steal all that money. I had friends. who bought into it. Now they don't talk to me . Blamed people like me for their down fall. Progressives, special .
I wonder if this would be a problem if workplaces weren't so stingy on their training. Entry positions aren't entry level anymore.
But it is a big problem The question though is WHY is it happening to each job. For a lot of lower level/entry level jobs, it's the great resignation. They don't want to work those jobs anymore.
For teachers, it was mainly COVID.
For cops, it's a mix of COVID and the fact that anti cop sentiment is at about the highest point it has ever been in the country
Only it's a trend that saw 20%+ retire or go sick in under a year and cops didn't stop working because of COVID.
The trends are clear. Every Democrat city that called it's police force racist and defund them saw similar issues of early retirement, officers going off sick and problems recruiting etc.
It started in Chicago, who did this even before the BLM riots. Which why it was one of the few crazy Democrat run cities to NOT talk about defunding it's police force post GF. They'd tried it after a previous BLM lie and got badly burnt. It's still suffering.
But Minneapolis, LA, Atlanta, Seattle, Portland, NYC, DC etc have all seen the same trend. Call their police racist, refund and see crime rise then panic and have to shell out a fortune and still fail to recover.
DC is paying $20,000 to anybody who completes training!
Shouldn’t it be the Derek chauvin effect? If everything he said was true then it was caused by police.
I remember buddy being a little more cockier than this last time I saw him on Pool’s show. Poor guy 😂😂😂😂
Well of course he was. He was debating a woman and is a douche.
I mean he was respectful to the guy on his own show , but he cooked the guy on it afterwards
Oh yeah those poor cops working OT sitting in the ADAs office for 6 hours after shift
Dude legit actually said office staff is irrelevant
Like untested SA kits.
POV: Sam gives a whole show to a bad caller.
LMFAO he sounds like every run-of-the-mill "I'm not racist" libertarian caller, you're so right.
@@outtaherelikevladimir7093his content is pretty good, Sam is a clever guy tho
@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440 AJW just spent 1.5 hrs saying that where crime decreased with less cops, it's because it's not about numbers, it's how you use them. Then proceeded to state that crime went up because there aren't enough cops, and crime goes down in New York when there are more cops. He just reads off statistics but doesn't realize correlation =/= causation, and he very clearly doesn't understand police reform.
@@outtaherelikevladimir7093 I think it’s naive to say none of that correlation has to do with causation. Gangbanging also got extremely popular during the pandemic, the cops went into overdrive locked up all the major gangs than the crime went down. If the cops didn’t stop the gang war they would still be wiping eachother out.
@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440 you're missing Sam's entire point just like he did. There's examples of over policing leading to more crime just as well. There's examples of states with reformed, less funded police with significantly less crime. But all AJW keeps saying is that crime spiked in 2020 cause of police reform. There's plenty of evidence that police reform can reduce crime, he even SAYS HIMSELF that the number of police doesn't matter, how you use them is. Yet every time Sam says that maybe the crime spike isn't cause by police reform, it's caused by the massive, worldwide, once in a lifetime pandemic, he just goes back to saying it was police reform that was a major factor DESPITE evidence that police reform can reduce crime and, once again, him saying that number of cops doesn't matter, only to then say "well number of cops does matter in New York"
Not even 5 minutes in and he's revealed himself with "The BLM RIOTS"
That's the accurate description, what's the problem?
@@dickmonddickelheimer9452 That it's not accurate.
@@dickmonddickelheimer9452it proves he is motivated by racism. And you have proven this about yourself now
@@dickmonddickelheimer9452 Because the vast majority were peaceful protests and not riots.
@epileptictrees5213 exactly, there were riots like you said. The majority may have been peaceful but the riots did happen so Sean is correct
In regards to a lot of the police "retiring early" was probably because they were upset because they were more used to behaving with less oversight and advisory.
Pretty much this, also should look into the average age of the retirees. Probably a lot were just getting to that age. We are experiencing broad retirement in all industries
Not to mention that police were hit HARD by COVID. It was the number 1 killer of LEOs for the first year of the pandemic. Couple that with officers who no longer have the physical capabilities due to having survived COVID and experienced debilitating long term symptoms.
Some More News just did a video that talked about this. There were some reforms about police use of force and a lot of cops called in sick and/or retired in protest.
Not true, correlation and causation fallacy
I wonder if any happened to be conservative boomers who were fed a steady diet of "liberals and minorities are coming for you" the last 20 years... _If Tucker says he's seen it, that's enough for me._
Lmao “I think that criminals can be reformed” and “stigmatize criminals more” send mixed messages
The stigma will reform them. Reforming them doesn't need to take the form of hugs and kisses.
@@travishoot5390your right hugs and kisses don’t but access to education does. Giving people access to attain certain college degrees will help ensure they find stable employment and on a career path
How so? I think the latter plays a role in the former.
How? You can dissuade crime while still attempting to rehabilitate criminals. Idk why the left gets so melodramatic about being tough on crime like people are advocating for lining every type of offender up against a wall & then shooting them.
Wasn’t his example of someone who can be reformed a potential school shooter?
I’m just gonna assume he wants to decriminalize white nationalist terrorism and criminalize blackness.
He’ll never actually say his real position, and his dancing around it makes for lots of rhetorical contradictions, but his main thing he almost exclusively talks about is black crime rates while rejecting any arguments based on environmental causes of criminality.
Once you notice it you see how he’s always circling that point, his appearance on tim pool with emma being a pretty egregious example.
This has got to be one of the worst faith interactions I've ever seen from Sam
Bro was askin for it lol just watch anime and play dnd don’t be a poster
@@TheJonnyEnglishwho was asking for it
dude shut up
What led to police retirement was added scrutiny, hella cops are morally and actionably compromised.
Maybe, but perhaps it was also the massive amounts of anti-police rhetoric that was being spread. Combine that with increased workloads due to a crime wave and riots, and you're bound to have people just quit or retire early.
Source: trust me bro
@@thecakeisalie6601Source: All of US history whenever cops don't get their way. (See: NYC Police Strike)
@@thecakeisalie6601 😂😂 so you missed a bunch of police unions making threats if the George Floyd Policing Act passed?
You need to source yourself some newspapers or something. 😂😂
@@rtjamesdid you know that after all of your crying and moaning about the police being underfunded and people leaving, the police got a raise and more protections.
I get the impression Sean has never interacted with people outside his immediate circle
Let's see, Destiny ✔️ The serfs ✔️ Vaush ✔️ Sam Seder ✔️ who else do you have in mind?
@@sourabhps Having a political debate online with public personalities is the furthest thing from a normal interaction lol. You know what I meant.
@@roundabout468 no that's not what you said lol, you said outside his immediate circle, the people who I mentioned are NOT in his immediate circle. Also if that's what you meant whom has Sam spoken to that way?
@@sourabhpsYou seem like you don't talk to anyone outside of your social circle.
@@jamesmcpherson8599 He does and he's mad you know he does.
This guy really wants to be part of the paw patrol 🙄
I mean he nuked Sam’s argument
@@deus_vult8111 Sam wasn't arguing with him. Sam was asking him questions that made him expose his own ass
Sam, if the spike in crime was due to COVID-19, why are many crime stats in several jurisdictions still significantly higher than pre-pandemic? Hasn't the entire country been fully open for at least the last 1.5+ years as of the date of this video? Why deny reality? What does that solve? Just this week, 2 NYPD officers were beaten by a group of individuals in Times Square. Several of the perpetrators were arrested and promptly set free rather than being detained until trial based on a decision by the DA's office to not seek bail. Several news outlets have documented that some of these individuals have already fled the city and are unlikely to stand trial. Do you not see the correlation to bail reform? I know you're not stupid, so why pretend to be?
21:25 “I’m speaking very clearly everyone understands me” = “I’m not used to having to substantiate my opinions because my regular audience will fill in the gaps for me”
BINGO!!!!
Sam isn't acting stupid, he just is
Sam destroyed this guy… mic drop
Sam got destroyed mic drop. Sam threw everything in the kitchen sink at him and Sean was able to counter everything he said Sam's only option was to constantly try to switch the subject to prevent Sean from ever having enough time to bury Sam's contention into the ground
@@AnthonyMazzarella lol. Kid that’s not what happened here. lol. Why do you refuse to accept that the left is correct on the issues? I mean all of human history shows conservatives are always wrong. Lol.
@@melgibson7313 oh yeah that's not accurate at all.
For example the Constitution is at one point a liberal document in the 1700s but now that it's the tradition of the United States is a conservative document so was it right when it was a liberal document and wrong when it was a conservative document?
Liberal and conservative mean different things in different times and places the need to Define exactly what you mean when you say liberal and conservative otherwise it's very clear you're just someone who can't think for himself
@@AnthonyMazzarella lol. No kid I’m accurate. Lol. The constitution is not considered conservative. lol. Modern conservatives still hate it. lol. You see kid I can think for myself. Lol. It’s obvious you only “think” what the establishment tells you to “think”. Lol
@@AnthonyMazzarella lol. Kid conservative means you serve the elite without question. Lol. This has always been true. Lol. Denying that is denying reality. Lol.
Poverty drives crime.
By design. And the vast majority of the problems in society.
@@publicutility well said
@@area609joe2 it's vital to know, then understand, that society is controlled by the policies of the people with power. 100%
The disgusting sick joke that stands as justice in the usa is from the top down.
The fact that he couldn't admit to that basic fact without tacking on a whole litany of caveats to it, while saying the exact reverse without a shred of hesitation of caveats, shows exactly what he's all about. In a roundabout verbose way, he is just saying that they did crimes, so they deserve their poverty, even though poverty obviously happened first. They were born into it before they ever even did a crime.
@@cosmosofinfinity "They should have thought of that before becoming PEASANTS!"
Sam: "What do you think drives crime?"
AJW: "Human nature."
*Crowd laughter*
😂😂🤣
He gave the retard answer, as I like to call it.
Dude could have just said vibes.
*insert laugh track*
He’s right tho
@@jdtreharne Nope, not in the slightest.
Norway’s focus on rehabilitation and restorative justice is certainly radical, but there is no doubt that it has had a positive impact on the country’s crime rate and its economy.
The most profound benefit: Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates in the world. Only 20% of Norway’s formerly incarcerated population commit another crime within two years of release. Even after five years, the recidivism rate is only 25%. In addition, the number of incarcerated individuals has been trending down in the past several years.
Low recidivism isn’t the only benefit. Norway’s rehabilitative approach also benefits the country’s economy. Fewer people in prison means that there are more capable adults available for employment. In fact, many prisoners leave prison with additional skills. The Norway prison system focuses not only on emotional and moral rehabilitation, but also on job skills. That’s one reason why prisoners who were unemployed before prison see a 40% increase in employment rates after prison.
Impact on Norway’s Recidivism Rate
Before Norway’s prison reforms in the 1990s, the country had a recidivism rate in the range of 60% - 70%. Today, Norway’s recidivism rate based on re-conviction within two years is 20%, the lowest rate in the world.
The rehabilitative aspect of Norway’s prison system is credited as a primary factor in the low recidivism rate. Another contributing factor is that Norway seeks to maintain prisoners’ humanity during their time in incarceration.
How do you make a dumb gang member with no conscience want to be a part of society? They're losers and enjoy hurting people.
They’re also a majority white nation. That helps a lot. And before you accuse me of racism, name one country in the world the left mentions as one the US should emulate with a majority black or Hispanic population.
your comments are public. You're racist.
@@RedPillGrimReaper yeah, it turns out colonialism and military coups really fuck up societies long term. Who knew?
@@RedPillGrimReaper that doesn't matter
the program focused around rehabilitation lowered recividism.
I learned that clearance rates are not based on convictions but simply naming and arresting a suspect.
Also 65% is a good clearance rate, but at 58:00 he says 75% is worse.
And said marijuana was minor, makes up 30% of all inmates, 85% of whom have untreated ADHD or ODD
No biggy, he's an "Actual Justice Warrior"
Cops don’t convict, you can’t put that on them, especially when so many DAs are refusing to prosecute many of these crimes.
@@ryanhubbard1885Yeah, I'm sure it's not about them arresting the wrong people
@@demoninveins when it’s shown that the wrong person is arrested that doesn’t go towards the clearance rate, now does it?
@@demoninveinshead in the sand
10 mins in, sam makes him look like a chump.
@howardbueker9796 FDR and "The New Deal".
@howardbueker9796 That far back is you reaching far for a dig at Sam lololol sooo pathetic
There are 3 problems with how AJW views these issues.
1. He doesn't care about root causes
2. He is way to willing too back corporations/authority no matter what
3. He fails to see how policing and police in general are heavy flawed and/or corrupt in the U.S. to a point where nearly every creditable sociologist disagrees with him
How did he "back corporations" ?
@@disf5178 Not in this specific convo but does this in general.
@@dblock20
Ok.. how in any context?
He definitely made it clear that considering "root causes" aren't on his top line causes or solutions for crime, but he never outright scoffs at them. Root causes are descriptive, not prescriptive. Like Marxism. It's not a solution.. its a pov.
@@disf5178 Everytime anyone brings up root causes he quite literally scoffs at them. He has done this here, with Emma, and even with Vaush. The reason why he does this is because he tries to frame that crime going up is linked to funding of the police in certain areas but police budgets actually went up and in most dem states like NY it has never decreased or had any link to increase or decrease in crime.
hilarious how they always come undone by Sam's gotcha questions....which is usually "am I understanding you correctly?"....
Sam's Columbo rizz
Lmaooo this. Its wild like this was not even really a debate it was just Sam asking him questions about what he believes. And then what he believes is so ridiculous that Sam wins the debate without even really debating lol. This reminded me of when libertarians call in lol except this guy was a little more prepared and sly
AJW brought forward a bunch of data that we should all pay attention to and study the implications of if we want to make informed policy decisions on crime.
What we should not do is base our entire worldview and personality on one or two specific implications of these statistics and claim to have a 1:1 cause and effect understanding of how they manifest in society.
This is a dogmatic approach that he is now stuck in that is not obviously true, not evidently true, and he has not even gotten close to proving is true. All his research from this point on will have to conform to his viewpoint or else he will just continuously reframe and cherry pick in order to fit his narrative.
Because there are different kind of studies. The study on the bail reform in New York specifically looked for the correlation between the rise of crime and the bail reform. The study found the bail reform was the largest contributor. There’s no study that can find a correlation between poverty and crime though like Sam claimed, weird.
@@landinhoule5096 Only if you don't look
-Brookings Institute Study Finds Direct Connection between Poverty and Crime Rates
The Brookings’ data showed that, “In almost all states, between 40 and 50 percent of the prison population grew up in families in the bottom quintile [20 percent] of the income distribution.” Additionally, it found that “Neighborhoods and social inclusion matter to incarceration and labor market outcomes. Prisoners are also disproportionately likely to have grown up in socially isolated and segregated neighborhoods with high rates of child poverty and in predominantly African-American or American Indian neighborhoods.”
One ZIP code in Nashville, Tennessee - 37208, one of the poorest areas in the country and 93 percent African-American - has a staggering incarceration rate of 14 percent. The study reported that the highest rates of incarceration “are concentrated in urban centers and certain rural areas, like American Indian reservations,” whereas in other, more prosperous neighborhoods the crime rate is “essentially zero.”
"Root causes aren't anymore important than any other cause"
Extrapolate that thinking and pair it with everything else that AJW had said in the debate, its pretty aparent that he doesnt care why crime actually happens. He believes that there is an almost essentialist characteristic to the committing of crime, but that characteristic is born out of differences in culture, but those differences are the important factor in his worldview, not why those factors exist. I dont think AJW is an ethno-nationalist, but he sure did a good job at possiting the same arguments they make.
This is the problem with people like this. They don't have to out and out say bigoted things, but they just skate around it and let their followers come to those conclusions themselves. It's how dog whistling works.
@@ChewyThomsonyou guys are the only ones coming to those conclusions. And you project it outwards. Take a look in the mirror and examine your own bigotry.
He mentioned that the highest tier of preventing crime is a belief that the law is good and moral. I would think that people would see greater value in the law the more they prosper as a result of being a member of society.
People with privilege are often blind to the benefits of privilege. I see a lot of progressives coming from the safest communities, where being a victim of criminals is less likely. In poor areas, most people aren't criminals. And those in close proximity to crime suffer the most from it.
And they do. Plenty of people of all skin tones have gone from poverty to top 10% income after working hard and taking financial risk for a generation or two. Its why the US is the most pursued place by those from other countries seeking a better life. If you dont want to work with the system then it wont improve your life
The 2 might be linked. The law is seen as morally good because it promotes the welfare of society (assuming the law is good)
@@blu2106 Or perhaps, the law is good insofar as it promotes the common welfare of society.
@@valuedCustomer2929oh that's funny, because Republicans make it sound like immigrants go to the USA to become welfare bums and get free houses, etc.
Meta comment here. This guest would make his case better if he weren’t so partisan and combative. Bringing up things Sam never said saying it all shitty “you ppl always say this”.
This is an extremely delusional take.
Anybody who goes onto Tim Pool's show and takes him seriously should not be taken seriously.
1:15:10 the way Sam nonchalantly says "what do you put wage theft at?" then takes a drink while realizing he's about to nuke this poor kid from orbit is so good
@bretthake7713
And then fail to do so.
@@liamscott1905actually, he did do so.
@sspbrazil
Nope.
@@liamscott1905 apparently you weren’t attention, yep, he did.
@@liamscott1905didn't Sean straight up say wall street theft is morally worse than murder? 🤔
58:00 After previously claiming 65% was a suitable clearance rate achieved by having lots of jackboots, AJW now claims 75% is a fail in Connecticut
Also he provides no sources for his conclusions, just attributes claims to random statistics, also called a false assumption fallacy
His _entire_ argument is a string of False Assumption Fallacies, effectively making his feelings the goalposts
Also known as interpolation
You can just boil down all of Sean’s arguments to “Black people are criminals”
Well disproportionately they are
Only if you're a racist progressive (tho the former naturally comes with the latter).
Do you have a timestamp to back that up or are you just really attuned to racist dog whistles?
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AJW has a COVID size log in his eye (that he cannot see). The level of self-deception!
I love hearing that Tim Pool is owning the libs by building a real life Tony Hawk Pro Skater level
The only thing that I appreciate about little Timmy boy is that he skates and is good at it.
Pro Skater 5, it's still downloading
@zerozentao bro there's like SOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOO 0000000000 ooooooooo many other good skaters you could dap 🤣
@zerozentao Or like Emma, did TP tell you what to write in that comment?? Makes sense, like _WHOOPSIEEEEE_ ... that's why u can't have nice things
How is that owning the libs?
His insistence on saying “George Floyd RIOTS” has my face punchy senses tingling
I’m only about 17 minutes in, but within 2 minutes he glossed over the fact during the current spike, that there were 10x less murders overall compared to 9/11 ALONE.
He’s claiming crime is up 30% compared to the second highest of 20% “including 3,000 people dying in NYC in one day”. Meaning if 9/11 were the ONLY murders of 2001, in 2000 there were at least 2500 murders. But during this “current spike” it went from 312 to 489. That means that at the murder rate was 10x lower now than during the previous spike if you discount 364 days of murders occurring. And with a much higher population now than there was back then.
Second, he also fails to mention that the BLM riots happened to coincide with the lockdowns loosening up. There will obviously be a huge spike in crime when things open up again because during the lockdowns, there were less crimes available for criminals to commit.
no your mixing up nationwide stats and NYC stats, and homicide rate which is per capita and number of homicides which is not. Nationwide the murder rate went up 29% from 2019 to 2020. And it only went up 20% from 2000 to 2001 and that included 9/11. So if you took out 9/11 then the murder rate increase from 2000 to 2001 would be around the 10% range. Making the recent spike look much worse. The 319 to 468 is just the murders in NYC from 2019 to 2020. It hit its peak in 2021 at 488. And its back down to 438 in 2022. So people are trying to claim that crime is down, but Seans point is that its down a little from the previous year but its still up drastically since 2019. Also the summer of love was summer of 2020. We didnt start loosening up until early 2021 and that was primarily in red states.
@@dangli-sac4053 yes but my point is that he’s being disingenuous by using year to year percentages to make it sound like things are worse than ever, when in reality the recent NYC surge involves murders in the hundreds, while in 2000/2001 the number of murders were in the thousands, which means we have 10x less murder in NYC today than we did then
Lol liberals with the mental gymnastics😂😂. It's like the truth is right there in front of you but they will do everything in their power to ignore the truth.
The question you need to answer is why is crime still up from 2019? Are people still committing crimes because they weren't allowed to do enough of them during the pandemic? Are they still just making up for lost time several years later? If the theory is that the pandemic caused the extra crimes why did they not fall off after people stopped isolating themselves for the pandemic? Yes, they've modestly reduced, but they haven't returned to anything approximating pre-pandemic levels.
The fact that he is so self-important as to go by the nickname "Actual Justice Warrior" is just hilariously sad.
High levels of soy detected
@@thecakeisalie6601 Thanks, friend. Keep on simping for ignorant racists on TH-cam. 👍
@@thecakeisalie6601Sean is the definition of soy face. I agree
Fitzgerald is talking in circles! One minute he makes a point then contradicts it the next. 😂
Your boy lost get real
What points did he make and contradict next?
You were/are too high to follow along. Fitzgerald won this.
contracting where??crime is shit
Which of his own points *didn’t* he contradict?
If police officers are retiring early because they are worried about prosecution. I think that would most likely be a good thing. Probably not the type of cops you want on the force anyway. And probably have something to hide.
You keep telling yourself that.
When cops cant even pull a blakc person over without you clowns blowing a gasket, then why waste their time?
Move to the burbs, and let the "progressive" cities explain the minorities left behind getting robbed , r@ped, and shot why fighting crime is "white supremacy".
@@WillmobilePlus lol. Kid actually listen to what we say instead of repeating lies police make up to excuse their actions. Lol. You’ll see we don’t blow a gasket over people being pulled over. Lol. Only drooling morons believe the left does this. lol.
That you can have you life ruined because you shot someone for attacking you and trying to take your gun, or that you shot a teenager who was trying to kill another teen with a knife. Is also a good reason to retire.
Underfunded and undermanned police departments are why Native American women are ten times more likely to be missing or murdered on average
@@86Framer Do you have an example? Or is this just speculation of what might happen?
@@jimforthew The Cop who shot Michael Brown for trying to kill him out him was investigated for murder.
When Officer Reardon shot Bryant mid swing of trying to kill another girl with a knife. Powerful people were very upset that she died in the process of trying to murder someone.
We can look at how Indian Reservations have traditionally been under staffed and under funded police departments and how indigenous women are ten times more likely to murdered or missing than the average American woman.
For someone who claims to hate excuses, AJW sure seems to have an awful lot of excuses for every bullshit argument he has.
You call the bullshit excuses I call that sound arguments with data to back it up
@@landinhoule5096 Yes smooth brains would think they were sound arguments.
@@meric2363 insults people isn’t an argument. Sean provided data to support his claims and Sam shrugged it off and basically ignored it. Sam spent an hour and 30 minutes arguing poverty is the leading cause of crime without ever providing data to support it, Sean then debunked it in real time and Sam ignored it, see a pattern?
@@landinhoule5096 I'm not making an argument I'm making an observation.
Sam seder sounds like kermit the frog
Got em haha. You sound that he sounds like kermit. Hahaha. Omg you are so funny. You said he sounded like a famous puppet. Amazin!
@@brandons9027 calm down, bro
@@gallowglass3764 bro
@@gallowglass3764 im mocking you. It was pretty lame bro
@@brandons9027 I think u were mocking hawsronnie
chud logic
Actual J(ust racist)ustice Warrior
"I don't try to get into qualifications that much....because I don't think they matter." It was at this point I grabbed the popcorn and am getting ready for someone to dunk on themselves.
Sam got destroy
@@avigeil76 Destroyed. C'mon stay with it bud.
@@avigeil76
lol. Okie spankie.
@@avigeil76 your ability to think critically was destroyed.
Ya I think Sam kind of got dunked on 😩
So your degree is in injustice, Mr Criminal Justice?
What if the police reforms add more support pillars to his building? And covid still knocks them all down? I find hypotheticals like these super annoying because it starts with unproven base assumptions
All they have are hypotheticals based in assumption.
it's hilarious that if you look at both comment sections from both creators, they each think they totally owned the other side lol
Confirmation bias is a fact of life.
Is there an objective way to measure which side was totally owned?
@@doodleprophet I have no clue man, this is a huge complex topic with so many moving parts It’s hard to nail down the truth
@@doodleprophet Yes, you research what professional sociologists say about it. This is why expert consensus is a thing. I'll give you a hint, Sam is arguing for what the majority of experts on the topic say, and the obvious fascist loser is cherry picking bullshit and fully does not understand what he is talking about, at all.
The way I use, is through knowledge of logic. Knowing and understanding the three main principles of logic and the logical fallacies makes it super easy to spot fascist lying assclowns.
@@doodleprophet Well... one guy seems to believe in a "crime gene" of some sort. After all, if the root causes of crime aren't an issue at all, then it leaves just certain people being predisposed to being 'criminal'. Which just seems absurd.
This is America 🇺🇸
On a related note: Some More News have a new episode that shows that we didn't actually 'defund the police'
Lmao just because you brought funding back doesn't mean you didn't defund in liberal cities. You also can't just go national statistics on it because red areas didn't defund in the first place. Watching you lefties pretend the defund movement never actually happened is hilarious. Let me guess your next play is the pretend it was the right wing that defunded just like the biden admins tried to?
Yeah I think Sam brought that up to - but it just flew past AJW
@@DarkZide8the video was already debunked so no need to fight a mute point
@@landinhoule5096 What video was debunked? Some More News? You got proof of that?
@@rivera229Love the vague gesturing drive by. 🙄
This guy has answers for everything. They're bad answers that usually contradict earlier answers, but at least he's putting himself out there 😂
This
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Sam? No doubt.
@@kirkw.72Nice try.
@@kirkw.72You have a lot of nerve talking about people being dishonest.