This is a fantastic video! Well done on breaking it down and helping us to understand the components that go into the final grading for a restored book.
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Love it. I only have ONE graded book in my collection that I’ve had for several years. If you keep up the education videos, I’m happy to get many more books
Keep the content rolling guys. I enjoy seeing the videos. Can you all make a more in-depth video on how to detect trimming? I think this is one of the most difficult types of restoration to detect, especially along the top or bottom edges.
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I've seen a couple of these videos now . Is this a accurate representation of your grading process or a summary because it looks a little cursory to me . When I grade after making sure the book is complete and not restored. I count every noticeable tick, crease and spot. I start every book at 10.0 or 100 if you will and work my way down. You seem to take off huge amounts for big defects but hardly mention or even count smaller ones just noting that they exist. Having noted that we still seem to end up with relatively the same score wich is why I wondered about the completeness of the video.
I really appreciate this video and insight into golden age grading. I’ve been getting a lot of older books graded and this is a very nice guide into extra areas I should be looking during my CGC prep.
Hi Matt, Smart objective approach thank you for showing the reference table. Is there ever any use for long and shortwave Ultraviolet light to detect restoration, or the skilled eye and touch pretty much covers it?
If they took the staples out do you think this could have been a combination of pages from two different books? Perhaps they had two incomplete books and made one complete book instead. You mention some pages had tanning at the top and others did not - not sure how likely that is to happen but I would assume most tanning is always uniform among pages? As you mention at 3:20 the difference between the pages behind the centerfold seems noticeably different.
So a miswrap rarely affects the grade, and a cover detached from one staple can still earn an 8.5. Interesting. I have been much too harsh with my grading!
So here we have something that certainly shows CGC differing from Overstreet. Overstreet doesn't start saying "may be loose but not completely detached" until 4.5 (I haven't found a "detached at one staple" reference for cover.)
Hello Mr Nelson..i lived in South East Asia..can you advise if it is possible for me to send my comics for grading and what are the best possible means?
Question I have a Journey into Mystery 83 front cover not too bad, back cover has 2 coupons cut out of it. Should I get it restored or can it be restored.
I am right in assuming this grading costs over $200. If you it does not seem very through. I thought hour's on a grading, checking each page, covers, it was informative.
I'm always hearing how books with dark covers are harder to find in high grade. Does this mean a crease on a black cover detracts more from a book's grade than a crease on a white cover? I I would hope that these professional grading companies would detect every flaw in a book regardless of its cover, so is it that books with darker covers are graded more harshly or are books with lighter covers given a pass if the flaw isn't immediately visible?
One of the first books I ever had graded by CGC was G.S. X-Men #1. Back then (2003), books had to be pre-graded for submission. It was very clean and the pre-grade was 8.5. When I got the book back, I was astonished at the 5.5 grade it received. I called CGC and they read me the notes on the book: "Indentation on the white cover from someone writing on a piece of paper on it." Was about 2 inches, like someone's name. Holding the capsule to the light I could barely make it out but it was there. I removed the book from the case and sold it on ebay and got a lot better price than 5.5 graded would have brought.
From my understanding, a crease that breaks color is judged harsher than a crease that does not. A crease on a black cover is more likely to show the white paper underneath, thereby breaking color, than, say, a crease on a white cover, where there is no color difference.
@@anthonyneofotistos5331 That makes sense, but if a crease is significant enough to break color I would assume that would show up on a white cover as well just not be as apparent. If they're looking at these things with a jeweler's loop they should be catching it. Even if it doesn't technically break color, there should be some minor fraying to the paper fibers. So I guess their grading doesn't necessarily factor in the type or severity of damage unless it directly effects eye appeal?
Collected Golden Age in the 70's and 80's before heading. What does it matter what color the pages are if they're sealed in plastic? Interesting video, thanks
What does it matter what color the pages are if they're sealed in plastic? A similar question might be: What does it matter if there's a clipped page or torn page inside if its sealed in plastic? I'm no expert, but obviously TRUTH matters.
Rarity is important in collectables because it increases market value. If it's just for display I guess you can just pick up any old copy on the cheap. Won't stop some buyers seeking a higher grade for investment value though.
As an aside, are there younger buyers buying golden age, or is it mostly aging boomers? Something to consider when investing. I sold quality antiques in the 90's that are now worth a fraction of what they once sold for.
I think you should not give the comic grade or score, just write at the book an explanation of the condition and let the people judge how the grade or value for the book..
I have a amazing Spider-Man #10 Given to me by a family friend it's missing the top half of the cover and has lose staples unfortunately near as I can tell that's the only thing wrong with it I want to Get it Restored but I Don't know how Hero Restored Hero Restoration won't answer my emails
So basically page condition means nothing. Solely graded on covers. No standard for detached staples, just says 8.0-8.5, which is it? CGC is such a scam.
Rather than take the worst of each resto to come up with C-2, since the C was not 2 and the 2 was not C, wouldnt it be more fair to average them = B-1.5? Or in the resto note in the center of the slab write: "Restoration includes: small amount color touch on cover (A-2), centerfold re-attached with glue (C-1)." Also you should stop using ugly purple labels. No reason tbey cant be blue as long as the restoration is noted on the label. I display my collection and wouldnt mind restored comics when it comes to very rare books, but I avoid them because the purple labels stand out like sore thumbs and ruin the display. Also, why have Qualified? Thats basically a What If grade which ignores the defect... Dumb! I really like CGC compared to the ugly-ass-label-CBCS-slow-pokes but you should copy the very few good ideas they have such as blue labels for restored and qr codes on label for graders notes.
Ok lets start with a clean surface. No lets start with white archival gloves first, i dont know any serious collector who hasnt seen smudge or finger print marks on a comic book because the oils from you hand and fingers easily transit to any paper surface very easily which of course devalues the book and no one can dispute this point period.
He mentioned why in the other video. It's to feel the comic. And at the end of the day I highly doubt the comic is going to pick up oil damage from such a short handling time. From what I would assume are very recently sterilized hands. And if all that didn't convince you the comic would have already been graded at that point. Unless the grader is scummy and ruined the book and then graded his own damage or you end up with a bad grade it truly didn't deserve, you probably aren't going to be cracking it back open.
You don't average the restoration you take the worst of the restoration. Worst Quality was a C, worst Quantity was a 2. Giving it a Restored grade of B 2 would be not be disclosing the amateur restoration in this case. I was a little surprised that the 1 and 2 did not equal a 3, but that would be based on such a small amount of glue that it did not reach the 3 threshold...kind of a freebie for Quantity.
I don't understand why glue is considered restoration, since it is not normally part of the book. I consider it the same as writing on the comic only with glue. If glue is not part of the original book that needed to be restored it cannot be a restoration.
hmmmm well there is restoration and conservation. this glue was used to reconnect the cover to the spine. But if glue is used to reinforce a spine, then maybe that conversation?
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Matt "hammer thumbs" Nelson.. don't let this guy near your GAs... you'll thank me for it. btw. if he used this much patience with each GA/SA graded... they would lose about 50% of their business.. with that slower turn over rate.. laughable demo.
Wow, that was fast! How about grading the 5 comics of mine that you've had since November 24th?
whats wrong?
@@MendesKing "Scheduled for Grading"...one month later..."Scheduled for Grading". And another: "Received"...two months later..."Received"
Lollollll
And you know why the grades are all so low? Cause they kept the high grades one for themselves.
Burrrrnnnn😂
This is a fantastic video! Well done on breaking it down and helping us to understand the components that go into the final grading for a restored book.
regie!!! love your show bud!
Very interesting to see a "live" grading being conducted. Thank you
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Love it. I only have ONE graded book in my collection that I’ve had for several years. If you keep up the education videos, I’m happy to get many more books
Keep the content rolling guys. I enjoy seeing the videos. Can you all make a more in-depth video on how to detect trimming? I think this is one of the most difficult types of restoration to detect, especially along the top or bottom edges.
What does that mean?
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GREAT VIDEO!!!!!!
thanks for the info....👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Excellent video. Thank you.
good video CGC Comics. I smashed the thumbs up on your video. Continue to keep up the fantastic work.
I've seen a couple of these videos now . Is this a accurate representation of your grading process or a summary because it looks a little cursory to me . When I grade after making sure the book is complete and not restored. I count every noticeable tick, crease and spot. I start every book at 10.0 or 100 if you will and work my way down. You seem to take off huge amounts for big defects but hardly mention or even count smaller ones just noting that they exist. Having noted that we still seem to end up with relatively the same score wich is why I wondered about the completeness of the video.
I really appreciate this video and insight into golden age grading. I’ve been getting a lot of older books graded and this is a very nice guide into extra areas I should be looking during my CGC prep.
interesting video that really helps to see and hear it explained the grading process thanks
Cool video, definitely do more of these and also consider doing a couple more in-depth advancements on the themes you talk about in these videos.
Good video, Matt. Thanks for sharing.
I could watch hours of this!
Hi Matt, Smart objective approach thank you for showing the reference table. Is there ever any use for long and shortwave Ultraviolet light to detect restoration, or the skilled eye and touch pretty much covers it?
Well done Matt. Thanks!
Interesting. Keep them coming.
So if the book came in with writing on the cover and loose centre page, would it still be 5.0 and would it be blue label?
You are the leading company in grading which makes the go to... question i have is which defects are Not counted against the grade?
Thx for the video, if the staples were replaced with better quality and this was the only change would it receive a purple label, cheers
Yes
Wish they would do a piece on what makes a Gray label different from a Purple label. There is little or no info on it.
So a gray label just means that someone took steps to prevent any wear or tears on the cover such as tear seals
@@lemonmouse77s58 By that description putting it in a CGC slab would give it a Gray label. See the problem?
Nice video. Very informative
The one thing I’ve seen noted on slabs that isn’t addressed here is “Apparent” without the A-C grading note and/or how it affects the grade.
Enjoyed this video. Personally, the main reason I utilize/rely upon CGC for golden and silver age books is to confirm no restoration.
If they took the staples out do you think this could have been a combination of pages from two different books? Perhaps they had two incomplete books and made one complete book instead. You mention some pages had tanning at the top and others did not - not sure how likely that is to happen but I would assume most tanning is always uniform among pages? As you mention at 3:20 the difference between the pages behind the centerfold seems noticeably different.
I suspected a married copy, with the centerfold being from a different book. Surprised he didn't entertain that thought.
So a miswrap rarely affects the grade, and a cover detached from one staple can still earn an 8.5. Interesting. I have been much too harsh with my grading!
Touche'
So here we have something that certainly shows CGC differing from Overstreet. Overstreet doesn't start saying "may be loose but not completely detached" until 4.5 (I haven't found a "detached at one staple" reference for cover.)
I'd like to see this done with a less obvious color touch book. Sometimes it's just so hard to spot.
Thanks for video
Hello Mr Nelson..i lived in South East Asia..can you advise if it is possible for me to send my comics for grading and what are the best possible means?
Question I have a Journey into Mystery 83 front cover not too bad, back cover has 2 coupons cut out of it. Should I get it restored or can it be restored.
I am right in assuming this grading costs over $200. If you it does not seem very through. I thought hour's on a grading, checking each page, covers, it was informative.
Would CCS be able to remove any of the restoration mentioned?
So how much does a 5.5 issue of this goes for?
That erased name looked like Stanley Lieber
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Hi I'm Stanley Lieber
I'm always hearing how books with dark covers are harder to find in high grade. Does this mean a crease on a black cover detracts more from a book's grade than a crease on a white cover? I I would hope that these professional grading companies would detect every flaw in a book regardless of its cover, so is it that books with darker covers are graded more harshly or are books with lighter covers given a pass if the flaw isn't immediately visible?
One of the first books I ever had graded by CGC was G.S. X-Men #1. Back then (2003), books had to be pre-graded for submission. It was very clean and the pre-grade was 8.5. When I got the book back, I was astonished at the 5.5 grade it received. I called CGC and they read me the notes on the book: "Indentation on the white cover from someone writing on a piece of paper on it." Was about 2 inches, like someone's name. Holding the capsule to the light I could barely make it out but it was there. I removed the book from the case and sold it on ebay and got a lot better price than 5.5 graded would have brought.
From my understanding, a crease that breaks color is judged harsher than a crease that does not. A crease on a black cover is more likely to show the white paper underneath, thereby breaking color, than, say, a crease on a white cover, where there is no color difference.
@@anthonyneofotistos5331 That makes sense, but if a crease is significant enough to break color I would assume that would show up on a white cover as well just not be as apparent. If they're looking at these things with a jeweler's loop they should be catching it. Even if it doesn't technically break color, there should be some minor fraying to the paper fibers. So I guess their grading doesn't necessarily factor in the type or severity of damage unless it directly effects eye appeal?
Collected Golden Age in the 70's and 80's before heading. What does it matter what color the pages are if they're sealed in plastic? Interesting video, thanks
Make "heading" grading.
What does it matter what color the pages are if they're sealed in plastic? A similar question might be: What does it matter if there's a clipped page or torn page inside if its sealed in plastic? I'm no expert, but obviously TRUTH matters.
Rarity is important in collectables because it increases market value. If it's just for display I guess you can just pick up any old copy on the cheap. Won't stop some buyers seeking a higher grade for investment value though.
@@Redskies453 I understand what makes a piece valuable, I just think that the price spread, say between a 7 and a 9, encased in plastic, is silly.
As an aside, are there younger buyers buying golden age, or is it mostly aging boomers? Something to consider when investing. I sold quality antiques in the 90's that are now worth a fraction of what they once sold for.
Why did he have to bend the book like that to count the pages?
It was very disturbing 😢
great thank u
Cool video!
VGF 5.0 seems generous for that book, with the amount of spine wear / tear ..
I wonder if they age into account
I think 5 is a little harsh, I’d go with atleast 6.5 or 7 atleast
I think you should not give the comic grade or score, just write at the book an explanation of the condition and let the people judge how the grade or value for the book..
Do a one on a high grade book like 9.8
hey look, its the guy that gets all my grades wrong.
I have a amazing Spider-Man #10 Given to me by a family friend it's missing the top half of the cover and has lose staples unfortunately near as I can tell that's the only thing wrong with it I want to Get it Restored but I Don't know how Hero Restored Hero Restoration won't answer my emails
So basically page condition means nothing. Solely graded on covers. No standard for detached staples, just says 8.0-8.5, which is it? CGC is such a scam.
he needs to regrade some of my books that look 10 times better than that but only 1 grade higher haha
Yes, that was one very rough 5.0
@@charlesporter641 Yes !
I arrived at a 4.5 PLOD grade.
Rather than take the worst of each resto to come up with C-2, since the C was not 2 and the 2 was not C, wouldnt it be more fair to average them = B-1.5? Or in the resto note in the center of the slab write: "Restoration includes: small amount color touch on cover (A-2), centerfold re-attached with glue (C-1)." Also you should stop using ugly purple labels. No reason tbey cant be blue as long as the restoration is noted on the label. I display my collection and wouldnt mind restored comics when it comes to very rare books, but I avoid them because the purple labels stand out like sore thumbs and ruin the display. Also, why have Qualified? Thats basically a What If grade which ignores the defect... Dumb! I really like CGC compared to the ugly-ass-label-CBCS-slow-pokes but you should copy the very few good ideas they have such as blue labels for restored and qr codes on label for graders notes.
Ok lets start with a clean surface. No lets start with white archival gloves first, i dont know any serious collector who hasnt seen smudge or finger print marks on a comic book because the oils from you hand and fingers easily transit to any paper surface very easily which of course devalues the book and no one can dispute this point period.
He mentioned why in the other video. It's to feel the comic. And at the end of the day I highly doubt the comic is going to pick up oil damage from such a short handling time. From what I would assume are very recently sterilized hands. And if all that didn't convince you the comic would have already been graded at that point. Unless the grader is scummy and ruined the book and then graded his own damage or you end up with a bad grade it truly didn't deserve, you probably aren't going to be cracking it back open.
How does C-1 + A-2 = C-2? What is your formula? This looks like you're just automatically downgrading it to it's lowest possible value.
yup
They explain it at 1:19
You don't average the restoration you take the worst of the restoration. Worst Quality was a C, worst Quantity was a 2. Giving it a Restored grade of B 2 would be not be disclosing the amateur restoration in this case. I was a little surprised that the 1 and 2 did not equal a 3, but that would be based on such a small amount of glue that it did not reach the 3 threshold...kind of a freebie for Quantity.
So they *do* just automatically downgrade it to the lowest possible value. I missed that in my first watch-through.
I don't understand why glue is considered restoration, since it is not normally part of the book. I consider it the same as writing on the comic only with glue. If glue is not part of the original book that needed to be restored it cannot be a restoration.
hmmmm well there is restoration and conservation. this glue was used to reconnect the cover to the spine. But if glue is used to reinforce a spine, then maybe that conversation?
Repent and trust in Jesus. He's the only way. We deserve Hell because we've sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him.
John 3:16
Romans 3:23❤😊❤
Matt "hammer thumbs" Nelson.. don't let this guy near your GAs... you'll thank me for it. btw. if he used this much patience with each GA/SA graded... they would lose about 50% of their business.. with that slower turn over rate.. laughable demo.