Raphael, School of Athens, fresco, 1509-1511 (Stanza della Segnatura, Papal Palace, Vatican) Speakers: Dr. Steven Zucker, Dr. Beth Harris. Created by Beth Harris and Steven Zucker.
I was handed the key to this room and got to unlock the door not long ago, early in the morning on a special tour with just a few of us and the keepers of the keys. I lingered and had the room to myself. Imagine the solitude with these magnificent works of art in the silence of early dawn; think about the centuries and the history these rooms have seen. It was overwhelming.
I love these videos. I'd wish there would be one for every single painting in art history. Those videos belong to the most entertaining ones on the youtube platform. Thank you so much!
I love watching these videos. I wish they were available when I taught AP Art History ! Now that I have retired these videos refresh my memories. Thank you !
Excellent knowledgeable commentary of each part of the frescoes . The great painter Raphael with his exemplary paintings. A nice treat thanks loved watching it.
Moved me to tears with the sheer in-depth beauty paired with my admiration for those in this painting. This explanation teleported me to memory in my blood cells written by a ancient eye witness relative.
Yes, wonderful videos, Algrim. As a former philosophy professor I would explain "The School of Athens" to my Introduction to Philosophy students. Now in the age of multimedia instruction (I did that for an Ethics course for Nurses) I used multimedia movies linked to my textbook Ethics at the Movies..... But this Kahn Academy video explains the School of Athens so well, I could have used it.
This takes me right back to my study of art history in '71 - '72..... I specialised in the Italian Renaissance for 'A' Level..... Our teacher was the brilliant late Ron Parkinson (V&A) ... time travel!
this was amazing. i loved this! just got a huge canvas of the school of athens in my room from amazon. best decision ever. amazing to learn some of the symbology and history of it.
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It would be interesting to bring into the conversation the cartoon that is in the museum in Milan for the fresco, which is in some ways even more powerful than the fresco. It shows Raphael's process of developing the overall pictorial concept, and is a fascinating work, feeling as contemporary as anything hanging in galleries today.
Wait a minute. Does this mean Raphael is friend of & with Leonardo & Micheangelo? That sounds cool just like there once 3 Greeks philosophical teachers as 1 gang.
@@men_del12 yup, da Vinci, Michelangelo and Raphael were contemporaries. Michelangelo could be a pretty difficult and competitive person and didn't get on well with them. But these three were considered the "holy trinity" of artists in those days.
A good dissication of the work from Cezzane, what is good to have a look at are the divisions of ideas within the spheres of knowledge and the way they are represented. As a thinker i find it amusing to look at those "Black and White"(clear separation) concepts.
So, you're telling me that we're sleeping on Raphael taking the most badass selfie of all human history....give that man an instagram caption right now...
Few people, books, and quiet... Pre-heaven? 😍 The four branches of human knowledge are interesting choices. I would've taken out poetry and thrown in Psychology, but what do I know? lol. I love the allegorical representation of poetry and Aristotle's pose / foreshortened hand. Such a simple, yet powerful gesture. It's great that this meeting of great minds was celebrated this way.
I see that Michaelangelo surpass Raphael in how seamless the subjects are in composition with each other that the paint looks like it's painted in one session. How amazing these artists are
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Plato points to an intermediate realm of 'Forms' between man and the 'Form of the Good'. This (rather than Aristotle's 'Great Chain of Being') is the pattern of the 'Disputa' where 1. the realm of Forms becomes the Christian 'cloud of witnesses' [Heb12v1] - and 2. the Form of the Good is identified as the realm of God the Father.
Yes, I've read in a Renaissance handbook that Da Vinci was Raphael's inspiration for Plato, apart from Da Vinci's other worldly way of thinking, the iconic hand pointing upward is an allusion to Da Vinci's unusual panting of hands (see the painting St. John the Baptist and sketch Holy Family with St. John) encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2CYTtA2pl-D7i7fUpQXe4U7CYS2-_OFnKU7a4dfgP9CB99dMeGg phillipkay.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/1-mary-and-anne-jesus-and-john.jpg
Plato and Aristotle have just come from a tennis match and you can see that they are in dispute about a key point which Aristotle believes to have been "in" while Plato is calling it "out". They must have bet something on the outcome.
Drawing from ancient pagan philosophers was not unique to Renaissance in Catholicism. Catholic tradition had at that time a long history of drawing influences from ancient pagan philosophers, especially from Plato (popularized by St. Augustine) and Aristotle (popularized by St. Thomas Aquinas). Especially during the Middle Ages when scholasticism was at the rise with it's concept of combining faith and reason. St. Thomas Aquinas calls Aristotle "The Philosopher" and didn't hesitate to openly draw some of his ideas not just from numerous Christian thinkers, but also from pagan, Jewish (Maimonides) or Muslim (Avicenna, Averroes) philosophers.
Noise is unavoidable at times since we record onsite. Nevertheless we think it is important to look at the original work of art, in person, as we record.
Regarding BC pagan thinkers on a par with godly wisdom was definitely a huge step forward taken by the Church. Maybe it was unavoidable that the Church should embrace secular ways of attaining wisdom, because, after all, these pagan giants could actually demonstrate their claims. But still, I think that some church people, who were also scholars, actually were impressed by their readings of Greek Philosophy, and assented that the god's word stood weaker in explaining the world. I see in this grand room that blind faith has started losing blood against reason.
The church had a long lasting tradition of drawing from the works of roman greco thinkers eversince its creation. To the catholics, the works of the old were great tools in understanding the divine.
*_Some say that the man in green and white pointing at Diogenes on the stairs is Alexander III of Macedon. I would like to build on that argument and state that the man Alexander is yelling at is his father Philip the cyclops. That's why you only see one eye. Alexander was not a great thinker like many in the painting and therefore his face is not shown but he is there may be as satire showing a spoiled boy reacting to a man who does not care about his riches and success and so the boy yells at his father, telling him that the man does not react to him. Alexander's success is solely because of his father much like many spoiled boys today and of course, his father was much smarter and therefore is allowed to show a little of his face as he points at Aristotle or Plato, telling his son "there's the man you should speak to about this". Alexander also wears green maybe symbolizing nature but it may also symbolize greed._*
The way these two bounce off each other is so lyrical.
Dude yes! It's so captivating
Sometimes, and sometimes they cut each other off lol
I was handed the key to this room and got to unlock the door not long ago, early in the morning on a special tour with just a few of us and the keepers of the keys. I lingered and had the room to myself. Imagine the solitude with these magnificent works of art in the silence of early dawn; think about the centuries and the history these rooms have seen. It was overwhelming.
If you still have that key, then you are my new best friend
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Wow
SOOOOO envy of you
Alchemical room this is.
I love these videos. I'd wish there would be one for every single painting in art history. Those videos belong to the most entertaining ones on the youtube platform. Thank you so much!
i completely agree! I love the way they explain these they r so helpful
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My favourite one is Averroes(Ibn-e-Rushd), the only Muslim philosopher here.
I love watching these videos. I wish they were available when I taught AP Art History ! Now that I have retired these videos refresh my memories. Thank you !
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hello people from my class who were also assigned to watch it
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lmao my art teacher told us to watch this
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Wow! So much information about these works of art. Thanks for explaining in such an understandable way.
Excellent knowledgeable commentary of each part of the frescoes . The great painter Raphael with his exemplary paintings. A nice treat thanks loved watching it.
Moved me to tears with the sheer in-depth beauty paired with my admiration for those in this painting. This explanation teleported me to memory in my blood cells written by a ancient eye witness relative.
I was so fortunate to tour the Vatican after hours with a very small group.To see these art works in a relatively quiet atmosphere was truly amazing .
Absolutely breathtaking painting, that. It was amazing to walk through the rooms on the way to the Sistine Chapel. Also, a lovely voiceover.
Love the unpacking of this frescoe.
Amazing! Thank you for making this video.
This was such a treat. Beautifully explained. THANK YOU.
Yes, wonderful videos, Algrim. As a former philosophy professor I would explain "The School of Athens" to my Introduction to Philosophy students. Now in the age of multimedia instruction (I did that for an Ethics course for Nurses) I used multimedia movies linked to my textbook Ethics at the Movies..... But this Kahn Academy video explains the School of Athens so well, I could have used it.
these videos are so addicting lol I have been watching non stop
Thank you for doing this guys!
I love love love you.
This video is so inspiring. Thankyou for breaking down this incredible fresco
Thank You for Posting this amazing art work with explanation. excellent ,well done
i really this video it helps lot. thank you and plz dont stop. thank you. People like you guys are amazing.
you guys are amazing for not wasting a second in these videos and filling them will spot on information! thank you god bless
This channel deserves more recognition! I love your videos!
Excellent commentary by Beth and Steven, thoroughly enjoyed it!
breathtaking. amazing disection folks keep up the great work!!
Thank you Smarthistory for a such amazing video.
thanks for sharing, Fantastisc.
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It's astonishing, specifically after the instructions of the two researchers. Thanks for taking us in the art area.
beautiful! Helps quite bit as I have my Final in The History of Architecture this week ~ This location is on my virtual list!
I love your videos!!!
Super helpful and informative, thank you!
Best analysis so far! Bombarded with information non stop!
No mention of Plato being modelled on Leonardo?
I love the way they narrate like two rappers lol … this art is so mind blowing! I love it!
I'm crying.
these paintings are so beautiful
This takes me right back to my study of art history in '71 - '72.....
I specialised in the Italian Renaissance for 'A' Level..... Our teacher
was the brilliant late Ron Parkinson (V&A) ... time travel!
Looking at it in person was SO AWESOME after having taken the course.. Too bad my school cancelled it this year :/
Nice! I've been hoping you guys would update your School of Athens video for a while now. Great quality in this new one!
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Wow this is amazing! I love it so much!
Hoping and that someday I'll be there, and also Greece, the beauty of the renaissance, Ciao bella! , and not alone Moni! ? 💖...
beautiful analysis!
well said!
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this was amazing. i loved this! just got a huge canvas of the school of athens in my room from amazon. best decision ever. amazing to learn some of the symbology and history of it.
HAI SA CAUTAM IN ISTORIA ARTEI DE TOT FELUL ,CATE FEMEI SUNT DE CALIBRU.ADEVARAT CA ELE STIU SA PRIMEASCA TOT CE-A CONSTRUIT ARTA IN IUBIRE PENTRU ELE,SA COORDONEZE SI SA CREASCA SI EVENTUL SA PASTREZE.
It would be interesting to bring into the conversation the cartoon that is in the museum in Milan for the fresco, which is in some ways even more powerful than the fresco. It shows Raphael's process of developing the overall pictorial concept, and is a fascinating work, feeling as contemporary as anything hanging in galleries today.
I always thought Raphael's Plato was modeled after Leonardo Da Vinci, but there's no mention of it here.
it is leonardo da vinci
Wait a minute. Does this mean Raphael is friend of & with Leonardo & Micheangelo? That sounds cool just like there once 3 Greeks philosophical teachers as 1 gang.
@@men_del12 yup, da Vinci, Michelangelo and Raphael were contemporaries. Michelangelo could be a pretty difficult and competitive person and didn't get on well with them. But these three were considered the "holy trinity" of artists in those days.
@@niamunt Yep! Agreed.
@@men_del12 great observation!
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A good dissication of the work from Cezzane, what is good to have a look at are the divisions of ideas within the spheres of knowledge and the way they are represented. As a thinker i find it amusing to look at those "Black and White"(clear separation) concepts.
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Awesome
Beautiful analysis
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I can't believe I watched this video for Free.
So, you're telling me that we're sleeping on Raphael taking the most badass selfie of all human history....give that man an instagram caption right now...
What a great explanation
I always love this fresco. Amazing.... We can mention everyone of the picture.. For example socrates, behind plato.. I love it!
great comments and review
Raphael painting himself in the back is the OG “I pulled a sneaky on you”
Few people, books, and quiet... Pre-heaven? 😍
The four branches of human knowledge are interesting choices. I would've taken out poetry and thrown in Psychology, but what do I know? lol. I love the allegorical representation of poetry and Aristotle's pose / foreshortened hand. Such a simple, yet powerful gesture. It's great that this meeting of great minds was celebrated this way.
this is awesome....i had a question.are the 2 globes on the freemasonry pillars a reference to the zoroaster and ptolemy globes?
In the Disputatio, do the two figures that have their backs turned to the Host represent actual historical characters, or are they simply allegorical?
I see that Michaelangelo surpass Raphael in how seamless the subjects are in composition with each other that the paint looks like it's painted in one session. How amazing these artists are
Quality video
Those kinds of paintings are beyond genius. The level of understanding and detail from all perspectives are just out of this world.
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EGYIPTOMI ÉS GÖRÖG TUDÁS... ROMA CSAK MÁSOLTA, MA AZT KAPTAD
AMIT AZ "51" ES KÖRZETBÖL LOPTAK, ÉS CSERÉLTEK EL...
I finally know what to call the Greek meander. Thanks
Plato points to an intermediate realm of 'Forms' between man and the 'Form of the Good'. This (rather than Aristotle's 'Great Chain of Being') is the pattern of the 'Disputa' where
1. the realm of Forms becomes the Christian 'cloud of witnesses' [Heb12v1] - and
2. the Form of the Good is identified as the realm of God the Father.
Would you please add it to your videos in Turkish subtitles?
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this Painting was on the 500Thousand Lire Bill
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Do you guys organize tours? Would totally pay to go on one of them...
Can anyone tell me what's in front of Pythagoras on that chalk board
Anyone know why Heraclitus’ box is at that awkward non perspective angle
wasn't Plato in the School of Athens modelled after Da Vinci? Supposedly Da Vinci was a dreamer, perhaps can be compared to be similar to one another?
Yes, I've read in a Renaissance handbook that Da Vinci was Raphael's inspiration for Plato, apart from Da Vinci's other worldly way of thinking, the iconic hand pointing upward is an allusion to Da Vinci's unusual panting of hands (see the painting St. John the Baptist and sketch Holy Family with St. John)
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Good point ! Also the "pointing up sign" can be seen in many of Leonardo's paintings (Thomas from "The last supper" for example)
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Beautiful explained
Great painter
anyone else watching this in school rn
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Plato and Aristotle have just come from a tennis match and you can see that they are in dispute about a key point which Aristotle believes to have been "in" while Plato is calling it "out". They must have bet something on the outcome.
i bet betting is the source of human knowledge.
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Great video, but i would expect to see all characters' analysis. Roughly there are 50 significant people in the painting.
That would be a very long video.
RATIONALITY, ANALYSIS, CONSCIOUSNESS is more on the Plato side. EMPIRCAL THOUGHT, INTUITION, SUBCONSCIOUS is more on the Aristotle side.
Drawing from ancient pagan philosophers was not unique to Renaissance in Catholicism. Catholic tradition had at that time a long history of drawing influences from ancient pagan philosophers, especially from Plato (popularized by St. Augustine) and Aristotle (popularized by St. Thomas Aquinas). Especially during the Middle Ages when scholasticism was at the rise with it's concept of combining faith and reason. St. Thomas Aquinas calls Aristotle "The Philosopher" and didn't hesitate to openly draw some of his ideas not just from numerous Christian thinkers, but also from pagan, Jewish (Maimonides) or Muslim (Avicenna, Averroes) philosophers.
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do any one knows the name of man on 7:49 of the video writing something
Who is the woman that as Raphael is face front?
It is Venus?
Are the painter and the beauty the main theme of the image?
If I'm not mistaken, that's the philosopher Hypatia.
Why might Raphael have chosen to depict both Classical figures and contemporary Renaissance figures within the one painting?
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This is great. The constant background noise seems to me to be unnecessary and distracting.
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Noise is unavoidable at times since we record onsite. Nevertheless we think it is important to look at the original work of art, in person, as we record.
@@smarthistory-art-history thanks very much for your work. 🙂🙂🙏🙏
some one know the title of the book hold by socrates and the one hold by its disciple.
Regarding BC pagan thinkers on a par with godly wisdom was definitely a huge step forward taken by the Church. Maybe it was unavoidable that the Church should embrace secular ways of attaining wisdom, because, after all, these pagan giants could actually demonstrate their claims. But still, I think that some church people, who were also scholars, actually were impressed by their readings of Greek Philosophy, and assented that the god's word stood weaker in explaining the world. I see in this grand room that blind faith has started losing blood against reason.
Authentic faith never involves a sacrifice of the intellect. - Bishop Robert Barron
The church had a long lasting tradition of drawing from the works of roman greco thinkers eversince its creation. To the catholics, the works of the old were great tools in understanding the divine.
SZUPER, KÖSZÖNÖM LUCERNA, SZIVEBÖL SZOLTÁL...
*_Some say that the man in green and white pointing at Diogenes on the stairs is Alexander III of Macedon. I would like to build on that argument and state that the man Alexander is yelling at is his father Philip the cyclops. That's why you only see one eye. Alexander was not a great thinker like many in the painting and therefore his face is not shown but he is there may be as satire showing a spoiled boy reacting to a man who does not care about his riches and success and so the boy yells at his father, telling him that the man does not react to him. Alexander's success is solely because of his father much like many spoiled boys today and of course, his father was much smarter and therefore is allowed to show a little of his face as he points at Aristotle or Plato, telling his son "there's the man you should speak to about this". Alexander also wears green maybe symbolizing nature but it may also symbolize greed._*
amazing what represents the fresco of the school of Athens the prominent figures of the time in contrast with with the prominent figures of the past.
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Shout out to Cal High Ap Euro.
Constance Brown brought me here
You missed hypathia of Alexandria..
Plato holds Timeo but I do not see Aristotle' s book...
It's there, have a look: flic.kr/p/2jdYCh9
@@smarthistory-art-history Thank you so much! Nichomachean Ethics, Ηθικά Νικομάχεια.
That was great, though.
this ptg makes the davinci code look like mr. Roger's neighborhood ... which, btw, is an homage and no slam to all afore mentioned and implied
also, fantastic image captures, t.y. for giving us the richness of imagery