NATIONAL LUNA VS ENGEL, A 4WD MUST WATCH BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR NEXT 4X4 FRIDGE FREEZER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- in this video I compare my two fridges. Im no expert just my 2c worth putting my new National Luna dual zone fridge freezer against my old Engel combi. What will come out on top in my opinion? You need something reliable, efficient in your 4x4 especially for those remote 4wd trips. let me know your thoughts and have I missed anything?
Great review mate, but the cover on the National Luna is not for protecting the fridge, but to protect everything else you own from the fridge. The fridge can take a beating and is built for that. The ground on which it sits without cover, can also take the beating it gets from National Luna.
Hahaha great little write up that mate. They are a bloody good fridge hey. Had it in some extremely hot circumstances and it was flawless
Had a few screws come out that hold on the control circuit board but put them back in and no issues 👌
Took that straight from the nl video huh.
National Luna is my preferred choice. Mine is about 12 years old and going strong. Rarely off as used as second fridge on 240v when not travelling. Stuck a piece of 6mm Dynaliner on the bottom of the refrigerated portion to help with insulation - solves problem of jacket not covering underneath.
Previously had an Engel but don’t like the cooling plate set up - difficult to clean behind the plate if there is spillage. NL - simply wipe out!
They make a great fridge don’t they. Have a bushman upright now in my current setup and while being easier to use it’s definitely no where near as efficient
Great review. Just one thing to remember, the National Luna at start up uses more power in order to reach temperature quickly. Once it has reached it temperature it should use about 2.5A which is considerably less than the Engel. Also a tip on keeping the lid up when not in use, try flipping the lid latch up and letting the lid rest on the latch.
Cheers for watching mate. Yeah it's a bloody good fridge and so is Engel I just find the Luna to be a better dual zone. Yeah the turbo mode does step the draw up more cool down a fair bit faster.
I'm all over the latch trick now discovered that one and use it that way now
Great review. I just learned about National Luna yesterday shopping for a camping refrigerator. Fortunately in Utah I found a local dealer! I am sold!
You won't be disappointed mate with the fridge. Definitely the most efficient fridge on the market. Glad the video helped you out.
@@4x4brothers Thank you yes very helpful. I subscribed and will check out more video!
@@garykarczewski6678 appreciated mate, hope you enjoy the other videos
I own an Engel 80 litre combi with cover, I’ve had it a couple of years now with no bad issues. One thing that does happen is you can easily knock the temperature dial when opening and closing the lid, especially with the cover on,then next time you look it’s + 2 degrees or something. Besides that I love it.
I agree mate they are a fantastic fridge I never had a issue with mine. It wasn't until I put temperature probes in it I found how all over the place the inside temps were. Engel for just a single zone one are fantastic
Bit of blue tack on it will sort that out!
Nothing beats the sawafuji swing motor. One moving part as opposed to a danfoss compressor.
They are a very reliable unit that's for sure
My MTV 80 combi lasted 3 years under warranty they fitted a new compressor and replaced the lines .I'm now selling it and I will be getting a national Luna It looks like a much better designed fridge freezer .
Just some info as I'm watching this video... the 72 liter through I believe the 90, have the same footprint for size. The insulation thickness is the only difference. So basically the 72 liter should theoretically be the most efficient.
I've had my 72 liter for a few weeks, and it's the best fridge/freezer I've ever used
Great bit of info so it is just checked the measurements and the externals are the same.
I had to watch 5 different videos before I could hear how allegedly "noisy" the Engel is. It doesn't sound like it would disturb sleep. In fact, it sounds like white noise used to mask disruptive noise. Thanks for the great video!
The Engel Definatly isn't noisy but it is in comparison to the national Luna. Both great makes of fridges. Cheers for watching
@@4x4brothers Great vid! Thanks. Is that the Engel making that noise at 10:16? Sounds pretty loud to me. Cheers.
@@ReversePeople yeah that's it, it's not super noisey but compared to the NL there is a massive difference.
@@4x4brothers Thanks again.
Wishing I could be enthusiastic about our 50l National luna.
They use their own Chinese built proprietary compressor that’s power hungry and constantly cycling.
Ours arrived broken out of the box
Waited 1 month for it to be fixed
Still has never achieved the freezer temperature the specs say even in aircon room on ac.
Temperature all over the place and extremely slow to get back to temp if you open the lid or add warm items.
Averaging 58 - 68 ah per 24 hours
Highest being 85ah in 24 hours
Peak amp draw of 8.9 amps
If using 1 compartment for drinks need to set it on -4* so it will sit around 0.5 - 3* when opening.
Constantly full of condensation.
Comparison, families 20yo 40l engel set on 1.75 dial without latch constantly opened for drinks and warm drinks added sat on 0.5* with our thermometer.
The warranty team respond like your an idiot and there’s nothing wrong.
They market these fridges as lowest amp draw, fastest cool-down, accurate temperature control.
Our friends $600 oztrail sitting alongside ours did better.
Test a National luna completely empty it works.
Use it as a fridge/freezer it fails miserably.
Take a look at the South African National luna owners page, you will see many unhappy owners with the same issues I have.
Wow I'm really surprised to hear this. I no longer use the NL as I now run a upright fridge but during my time using it the only issue I had was a few screws holding components to the exterior come loose. Amperage wise it's still to date the most efficient fridge I've owned and even in the outback on 45 + degree days (so would be much hotter in car when parked up) still had no issues with freezer keeping ice creams and icey poles frozen. I wonder if there were things that have changed along the way either before or after that are the reasons behind your bad experiences
@@4x4brothers They previously used a secop compressor. They now use their own proprietary “offroad compressor” made in China.
Owners are reporting these are no longer energy efficient like the secop versions.
Took near 40 hours with mine set on -24* to just start freezing zuper doopers that’s due to the fact -24* only ever really gave -18* to -20* max if it wasn’t opened for days.
After placing 15 zuper doopers in the bin temp fell to -10* and 6 days later only managed to get back to -14*
National luna also don’t take the temp from within bins like engel or evakool.
Strange silly design they have the probe against the wall within the wall cavity.
I hope ours can be fixed but looking on the owners site theirs numerous reports similar to ours.
@@lukewatkin7420 thats really interesting mate sounds like they have dropped the ball and if they don't rectofy it surely it's going to cost them in the long run.
That amount of time and that poor performance isn't acceptable
Lunas are tested at 40 degrees ambient unlike Engel tested at 23 degrees ambient.
Lunas eat Engels for breakfast.
Great video mate 💪👍
Thanks mate, it's definitely way more efficient, quieter and better insulated. Engels are still a great fridge but very happy with the upgrade to the luna
Great review mate. I’m currently running the Engel Eclipse 40ltr. I want to upgrade to a larger fridge and was just going to purchase the new Engel MT combo until I was introduced to the National Luna.
Must admit I’m very impressed with them even though there is a considerable cost difference.
I think this will be a great addition to the new 200 series 👍🏽
Cheers mate. I think the single zone Engel is amazing and especially the go to If in the open on the back of a Ute. But dual zone the Luna is leaps above. Like you said a bit more of a outlay but you do get what you pay for
Got the LN 60l single lid,only doing dummy runs atm in the shed with solar, working slide fit out so not field tested yet.
It's the first fridge I have owned do I can't make a comparison.
It looks well made and is quiet. A lot lighter than Engle equivalent.
Time with tell.
You will be very happy with it mate, extremely efficient fridge.
We run an Engel for the simple reason of the compressor. Others cut out on rough roads and odd angles due to a standard type compressor like in a house fridge.
Engel are a bloody good fridge it was just their dual zone wasn't working for me.
Totally understand that. Dual zone should be dual control.
Never had that issue with my national luna. And it's been to hell and back
National Luna for the win 👌 I’ve used tham in dessert environments in central USA 50 degrees in shade , plus NL gets down to minus 18 degrees in extreme heat
They are a well made fridge/freezer have used it in the Australian desert 45 degrees c in the shade so car in the sun would have been a oven and the freezer still held -16c
I bought the Engel but what I found is if you add two brushless ball bearing fans to the top right vents the efficiency of the fridge goes up dramatically
Nice little way to get even more out of it mate
Can you show us how Liam?
I bought a brand new NL 52l Weekender in 2007.
I was ecstatic with the cooling and space. (NL recommendation was get the single compartment, not the double).
After a year i did a long trip whereby the whole "inners" dropped out.
NL after sales was disgusting and i left the fridge on the showroom counter and walked out only to have the owner of NL come out and resolve the situation...outcome was all the nuts, screws and bolts were loose...a quality problem).
Up until 2022, i was always uncomfortable with the reliability of the NL because of this.
I took the cover off, in 2022, which was the first time it had ever been off and found that the whole mechanism was again loose...very disappointing.
I have now purchased a second hand Engel 40litre, and will hopefully have confidence with it being in the back of my bakkie, (Ute sounds feminine).
PS: if u have a cover on ur fridge/freezer, cut the netting off the cover which is around the compressor as it restricts the airflow.
A great video...thanks..(from SA).
Cheers for that feedback mate, I since making that video had all the screws fixing the power inlet and the temperature board come loose too. Sounds like there might be something more to all that. The cooling properties of the nl are the best by far but since I've moved it on and gone to a upright bushmans fridge. Uses a fair bit more power but usability of it wins over everything
Test of time will be the true answer. Been running Engel fridges for 30yrs and never ever had a drama. You pay for what you get.
Sure will and time will tell there I did my research before I purchased this and found alot of happy customers. But your right like I said in the video we are still using our dad's 1st Engel which is 35 years old
You mean “ you get what you pay for”. ?
Loved the review I’ve got a 50 lt jus about to buy a single compartment 80 lt. also th pice have been reduce the 72 is no about 2300
Cheers for watching mate. I'm also thinking about maybe getting the single compartment 40 for day trips etc when I don't need to have such a big fridge in the car.
Thats great news about the price drop to bring it closer into the range of other brands.
GREAT video. I am looking to replace a dud. As you say ...No Brainer
Engel definitely make a good fridge just some of the features it lacks over the national Luna in my opinion
Rich mans fridge will stick to my Engel thanks
Always good to compare tho mate. Do get more for your money in this case tho
Poor man pays twice. Nl is the best thing ever
Only ever had my National Luna 90 Twin but love the thing and can’t fault it. Was looking at the Engle and Waeco back in the day when buying when I stumbled on them. I’ve not bothered with the cover as it’s always been built into the back of my Patrols.
Good vid. Also can use the latches to prop lid open but doesn’t work so well if driving. Sitting in the shed works well enough.
I had always looked at them every 4wd show i went to and always wondered if they are worth the extra money. Now I have one that's for sure they are. Nice tip about using the latches
Had good and bad with both. 74ltr s/s dual door NL was an awesome fridge 13yrs old still going strong. Also added at the same time was a 50ltr weekender thats had an absolutely abusive life is now in my care also, the 50 is cracked and shows bulges inside both bins but after some rapid fix and an aftermarket seal is going well again. both these fridges lived on the back of utes. Replaced the 74 with a 95ltr s/s dual door, exactly the same but just 4” higher, initially was atrocious power wise, couldnt keep a 100a/hr up to it for two days, an absolute lemon door sealing wise, even after two sets of new genuine seals is still an issue, so i added another small seal, double each side, is a lot better, but now it has died altogether(out of warranty of course) so it lived for two days on 12v and the rest of its life either off or mostly on 240 as nothing more than a home esky, sadly. Have a dead 40ltr engel and a disappointing 21ltr thats noisey, continuously seems to be running and just a basic unit with very poorly designed control dial that is really easily changed if bumped, no inner temp readout is a nuisance as its a fine line between frozen and too warm, but its still going I’ll give it that, still under warranty mind you, and they need a bag to make them more consistent temp wise, hot vehicle doesn’t do it any favours it soon will be doubled sealed as well! Engel is my last choice but the little unit was purchased because it’s the only thing that would fit. I’ve hated that 95 from day one but still stand by the run that 74 gave as matched by nothing, even at temps under a black tray tarp in excess of sixty degrees it maintained-18, loved it should never have so called upgraded. NL no1
You have been through alot of Fridges mate so definitely know your stuff. That's awesome the nl is still going strong even in the back of a ute. From my understanding they are a different design to the Engels as they run a non sealed circuit board so much better designed to be in a wagon or canopy. I think both brands do make a fantastic fridge. The nl is definitely more efficient also and I'd think alot would be put down to the insulation.
I'm about to try a bushman 130l upright fridge so will be very interested to see how that stacks up against these two.
Cheers for taking the time to watch the video and leave the comment too mate.
That basket idea is good!
Makes it easier to get food off the bottom instead of pulling individual items out
Great review and detail brother. You’ve sold me.... can you buy me one for my birthday.... ??
Thanks buddy. I can get you 2 if you really want
4x4 brothers Ohhh no I want be greedy... Just 1 is all I need.. You really are the nicest legends.... I’m so excited for my birthday 🎁 yeahhhh
Yup National Luna is the go for sure 👍
I'm very happy with the switch
@@4x4brothers - I have a question that may seem a little weird. I have been looking all over for pants that have that flexible ribbing on the knees (like the ones you are wearing in this video). Do you remember the brand, or where to buy them? I have seen a few guys wearing them and they look very comfortable.
@@davidyergensen4509 hey mate yeah that's a bit different that question haha the pants in this video are just fxd work pants.
@@4x4brothers - 😆 🤣 sorry about that. Thanks for responding. I will look them up. Have a great weekend. 👍
@@davidyergensen4509 haha all good mate I got some other ones with those rib knees just from cotton on also more casual ones
Special mention for the bushman original 35-52 litre. On -5 to -8 in Queensland hot weather barely used 20amps per 24hours.
Plenty of people have had theirs for a decade or more.
Have heard their chest fridges are quality. I now run their upright 85l and I couldn’t go back to a chest style now
@@4x4brothers chest fridge is unreal, efficiency is almost unparalleled, customer service is as you would expect from a company that values their reputation. Can keep everything frozen on the bottom, food stays fresh in the upper baskets. I went back and forth with a chest fridge or upright but I’m energy conscious only running a 135ah lithium and wanted something that doubles as a chest freezer at home when not on a trip
@@CJFranciss sounds like you got a cracker of a fridge there mate might have to have a good look at them if I ever need one for any reason. Cheers for you feedback on that too mate
The price difference is not justified . Engel are proven reliability . Both are good fridges but Engel for me
NL have actually come down in price lately I've seen. If it was on the back of a ute Engel all day long. But efficiency wise the luna has been amazing. Both great fridges. I'm still happy with change mate.
This video is roughly 6 months old, do you still love your national Luna? Any problems? I'm trying to choose between the snomaster which has a 7 year warranty but I feel like even with a 3 year warranty, national Luna would have a better reputation due to the application it was built for
Never owned a 12v fridge before and only want to spend the money once for a product that will last
G'day mate. The national Luna is amazing I had a few screws rattle loose that hold the control panel after 2 weeks of corrugated roads went over the rest of them and no issues since. It draws super low current. Holds temperature amazing even in +50 temperatures in the car freezer still held -16
If i was running a fridge in the back of a Ute I would still go Engel as national Luna run a open circuit board. But for in a car very happy with this choice.
Hope that helps. Happy to answer any questions
Yeah I'd love a combi Engel in all honesty but the way the fridge is powered by the freezer is a turn off aha
Plus I'm pretty sure national Luna would have better customer service compared to snomaster, so many local companies who supply them. I think I'm sold on the national Luna. You get what you pay for. Thanks for the fast reply and detailed comparison in the video. Might have to wait until the end of the financial year so I can try and save a few bucks cause that'll hurt the bank ahaha
I wouldn't buy a dual zone Engel they don't do as good of a job as the Luna. Their single zones are pretty bullet proof. I'm sure you will be happy the national Luna, it's a good fridge. Will let you know any issues that arise if any
I was looking at the Snomaster until I found out they were made in China. I know most products are made overseas, but China is one economy I'll not support if I have a choice. I then looked at the Aussie made Trailblaza. Similar price.
Good review 👍 I think the real test for me comes in the reliability of the fridge. I’ve had my Engle for 13 years and half of that was on the back of a Ute in the weather, it’s been all around Aus and never missed a beat
100% mate and with that only time can tell. Like I said national Luna haven't been around as long so going to be a while before we know but I personally feel Engel have just fallen behind in what they include but it does come at a cost with the Luna. I'd recommend both to anyone though
Ive had my national luna 74l twin for over 10 years now. Been turned on for weeks at a time. Holds minus 18 in well over 40c temps. Not 1 single issue ever. Id trust this over an engel any day of the week. Personally there is no fridge on the market except Maybe trailblazer that comes close to the quality of a national luna
The NL are a great fridge, do a side by side test on amps used over 12 or 24 hours, our 60 litre twin can get as low as 1.2 amps per hour with both sides near full and set to freezer which is way less than a 40 litre Engel I had previously. BUT, it rattles like an old Engel in the back of the car over rough surfaces, not sure if they all do it?
Wanted to do that but being so cold in Melbourne atm didn't feel like a good bang for buck test need hot weather to get them to cycle more. This does have a rattle also on rough surfaces but no more than the Engel did either
I just did a test on my 60lt twin over 24 hours at 19 deg ambient temp and it used 23 amps in 24 hours set at 1 deg on the fridge and -6 on the freezer, used 1.7 amps with freezer set on -14 and fridge on -6 same ambient temp (fridge empty on both tests) I had an Engel 60lt combi but sold it due to having to run one side as a freezer all the time and if not you only have a small fridge. NL for $300 more (60lt twin) is a clear winner for me.
@@mikefoster7085 I think they are quite a good thing. Would have loved to have been able to do it with both fridges side by side
@@4x4brothers If I can find a 60lt combi to test I'll post a video, current draw was the most surprising thing for me, the 60s have a 3 speed compressor which makes them super efficient. Amp draw is 5.6, 4.0, and 2.5 respectively.
@@mikefoster7085 yep and then on turbo mode you actually can hear it ramp up. Very impressed so far
The only thing you missed is the big one! What is the current draw when they are both at the desired temp?
I might actually do a follow up it's cold down in Melbourne atm so over the summer time see how long they hold temp for etc and that's a good one to include. Cheers
Shannon that isn't the big one. The big one is how much they use over a period, say 24 hours. That is where the NL will shine with it's massive insulation and terrific lid seals as grant parker states below. It's not about how many amps it draws at set temp but how many it gobbles up over time. My money is on the NL to be the lowest. Fun fatc: The Waeco CFX units have it over the Engels apparently for AH (I don't own either drat it!).
Are you still happy with the National Luna mate? I'm looking at one in a couple of days. That was a very good review too so thankyou for doing it.
Gday mate, glad the video can be a bit of help. They make a bloody good and efficient fridge. Have used it in some continual days over 45 and with the car closed up could only imagine how hot it was in there and still only would drop q or 3 degrees to -15/-16 on the freezer that was pretty impressive.
I think they have actually come down a little in price since I brought also.
@@4x4brothers thankyou very much for your reply.
Great review... cheers from Germany
Cheers for tuning in mate
Great vid ! Definitely a sub/hit that bell kinda review. Anyways, Im currently in Kuwait and the heat here boy it reaches under the shade 52c plus. Domestic CFX3 and Pre-Dometic (Waeco) struggled cannot even maintain 5c at those temperatures here in Kuwait. In your opinion, NL or Engel could hit that freezing mark ? Thanks
Gday mate. Cheers for watching from across the globe. In all honesty both are going to do an amazing job. I had the NL in 46 degrees C outside so in the car would be well over 50 and it sat at -15 no problem on the freezer side. In the heat too I know the Engel’s do perform well and they actually work better without a cover believe it or not.
True regarding the issue with Engels and the covers. Even though we do have a local NL dealer here, always wanted an Engel 😂. Especially after testing ARB Classic (Blue one not the Classic II) Dometic CFX3 ICECO and an Indel B and none of them could cope with the heat. I couldnt try an Engel because there is no local distributor here. Just hope it would truly keep the frozen meats in 52c plus temps.
@@binqatami as far as tried and tested you will struggle to find something with a reputation as high as Engel
Hey mate. Thanks for the great review!
I would just like to clear up something I was told about these NL combos. Supposedly, there’s not supposed to be more than a 10 degree difference between compartments. Is that true? I was hoping to be able to set the fridge at 2 degrees for food and drinks, and the freezer at -15 for veges and ice creams. Do you know if that’s doable?
Thanks!
Hey mate not sure about that as thats pretty un practical like you say. Just know ones cooler than the other. I run mine 2 and -18 no worries at all.
They hold temp really well in hot temperatures also I've been really impressed with it.
Any chance of a follow up video now that its been three years
Gday mate. I’ve recently changed to a bushman upright fridge as changed the rear setup of the patrol. The NL definitely was the most efficient and well insulated fridge I’ve still owned. The upright is more user friendly to use but uses a heap more power.
We had the NL in 45 degree heat on a 2 week trip so in the car would have been 50/60 degrees and it held -15 no worries at all on the freezer side
I would of compared the Dual Zone Waeco, the 95 ltr is only $1400 and does all the National Lunar does and more.
So many choices out there in fridges the national Luna appealed to me so compared that to the old fridge I was running
Waeco not even close to the same league as a nl
I love the Luna, such great fridges. My only issue is their height, I have enough problems getting into the top of my fridge even with the drop slide.
They are high but I can get in using the drop slide luckily.
Sorry to ask man but what is that little screen cord where did you get something like that
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This is the same thing here mate, battery monitor and shunt
A national luna will eventually drive u mad, the internal dimensions have shrunk over time & pulling the baskets out is tedious, the locks play up over time & pop open off road, fridge is now dead as there is an irreparable gas leak, I've just replaced it with an Engel as my 60litre legacy has never let me down, also own 2 waecos a 110lire & a 50litre both still work & haven't been without their problems but have both outlasted the NL.. the NL is only 7years old which is for me a bit of a deal breaker.
Thats no good about your reliability issues. Mine is still going strong and I think the build quality is fantastic
The space in the right hand bin is definitely a little bit annoying to stack around but now have it down pat. Engel definitely have the reputation for longevity. NL way more consistent on internal temperatures though
Hi mate great vid, I am interested in the touch pad you have in the back, and the set up you have, are you able to give any info on that?
Thanks bud that's a simarine battery monitor it does battery levels, time to charge, run time left, water tank levels, temperature sensors etc. Quite a good unit
Hey man, sweet walk through. That NL looks prime. Does it close and self seal without the buckles? I'm getting a fridge for a camper and have 2 boys. The boys suck at closing things and will never use the buckles. If they can just shut the door and have it seal like a kitchen fridge, that would be sweet (while the camper is parked). The other option is that the camper has an option Dometic CFX3 75DZ. It has lids that semi-close but then you have to push down and "click to latch". Might be easier to close for a kid, but not as easy as just closing the NL door. Dometic CFX3 has me worried a touch about its reliability too, but I'm new to fridges. Thanks!
G'day mate yeah the Luna is a great fridge and has been faultless still held temp perfect locked up in the car on 45 degree days. Lid wise they do need to be latched to seal properly but there has been a night I left the fridge lid unlatched and it still is semi sealed because the rubber seals are massive but I wouldn't want to rely on that on any fridge to be a super efficient seal
@@4x4brothers Hey thanks for the help. Is this fridge pretty quiet? Seems like it was more so than the Engle. Our bed in our pickup camper is close to the fridge. Also, can you run the fridge and have oneside cold while the other side isn't cooling at all? I'm wondering if for short trips I could just fill half of it up and then use the other side for a bit of dry storage. Cheers!
It's easily half if not more quieter than the Engel. You can't actually turn one side off but you could set the temperature high so that it wouldn't kick in to cool down if that makes sense or set it to 21 and keep biscuits , bread etc from getting to hot
@@4x4brothers perfect, thanks!
Where are you from mate if your close to us sth East Melbourne more than happy to lend you mine to try
On ya mate 👍
Cheers fella 😉
@@4x4brothers This was a great review to compare both models, as both models are highly reputable, you had no bias no babbling on about nothing just straight up
Keep the vids coming mate 🤙
@@northislandguy appreciated mate. Both amazing Fridges so didn't want that taken away from one or the other. Was a few things the NL does just a bit better
Hey what type of shelf system do you have and is the touch screen volt reader a separate option option?
G'day mate. I've just modified a supercentre drawer system. The battery monitor is made by simarine
Any reason you went with the 72L Double Door over the 60L Single Door National Luna? (since your old one was 60, why did you change?)
I had the room to go bigger so I did mate to allows the extra storage. Went the double door also so I didn't have to open the freezer if I needed something from the fridge or vise versa
G’day, I had a poor experience with two 50L weekender twin fridges.
Both failed within a year refrigerant leak inside the sealed bin which is not repairable.
Can’t say a bad thing about the customer service looked after me very well.
As long as they looked after you and sorted it out no fuss mate that's what you want not good a fridge failing tho
Question, just about to go into battle with the Australian supplier, my NL50 has clunked and rattled since day one mounted in my fourby on the fridge slide, does it just driving down a normal road, let alone if I actually go off road, tried getting it fixed under warranty and after a week with the repairer the issue is still there, faulty from day one, do you have any issues like that with the fridge ? I have never had nor heard of a 12v doing this, so annoying !! just want to be prepared for the conversation I know I will have with them
Cheers
Gday mate, do you know where the rattle is coming from? Is it because it's metal on metal mounting to the slide? I ran carpet under the fridge to stop any noise there. Compressor has a tiny knock but they all do as it's something floating around in oil in them.
If its loud there definitely is something wrong. I've had a few screws come loose on the circuit board and power inlet that fix it to the fridge but found the screws and put them back in.
It's been a amazing fridge especially in really hot temperatures.
@@4x4brothers yeah it is a loud clanking metal on metal, the service agent did not resolve the issue, I spent 3 hours trying to find the source, it is in the compressor compartment, we jammed cardboard in between behind and under every conceivable place and it still makes the clanking sound even driving on blacktop, secured properly and yep have tried a slice of carpet under it as well.
Seems like a great fridge, looks like lucky me got a bung one, will push for a direct replacement, just know some companies put up a fight, so getting all my ducks lined up so I can get sorted ASAP, We have taken video of the issue and sent it to them and showed the service agent.
Keep up the good work for the channel, love the vids, and appreciate the quick reply
Cheers
@@aussienscale good luck with it mate, mine definitely has a slight noise but not something that would really be annoying. I did all of central Australian outback roads with it and never had these issues.
That's where it shined 45 degree days then add what ever a closed up car would be and freezer never went below -15.
Hope you get it sorted mate and thanks for the support of the channel
Norcoast trailblaza , buy once buy Aussie made
Never heard of them before, had a google they look unique
@@4x4brothers the chequer plate models are ugly as , I have the standard platinum finish made in 95
@@ozbloke74 good to see them offering something different with the fridge freezer way of use too
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Mate I've got a 62 as well! What battery set are you running? Looks A Grade!
Hey bud they are a great car, love mine. That monitor is made by simarine it does battery usage, charge time, run time, water tank levels, temperature sensors, gas bottle levels, barometer etc it's running off a 125ah lithium by safiery
What battery monitor do you use??
It’s Safiery mate
Just had a watch of the video. Good comparison although your excitement at taking about the various NL benefits showed through a bit too much.
Personally I'd never run an all in one fridge/freezer combo. I've always ran two fridges (one as freezer and one as a fridge) just in case one dies then you can save your food if remote camping.
Cheers for watching mate. If I was to run a single zone fridge or a freezer in the open say on the back of a Ute I would choose Engel all day every day. As for one in the car I just believe NL make a better unit, all personal opinion though espically as a dual zone. If I had the room 100% I agree I would run one of each also. That's how I will do it if I ever get a camper.
@@4x4brothers yep, good comparison between the two dual zones👍 bloody size of the fridges these days are huge.
Sure are I'd love to be able to afford to have a few different sizes to use, small one for little day trips and bigger ones for camping trips
@@4x4brothers be nice to have one of everything but then I'd need a bigger shed. Anyway, enjoy lock down mate, I'm going bloody crazy. Might swag it in the backyard with me 2 boys tonight.
Mate we are hanging to be allowed back into the bush it can't come fast enough. We have already done the backyard camp out it was a great night
Can you get the two pin lock in 12v input lead for the National Luna?
It comes as a merit style but you could always change the plug to the Engel plug top mate
So what temperature does the fridge get set to when using the combi?
On the Engel? That all depended on what temp you wanted the freezer section I used to set it to -3 because that wasn't the actual inside temp was good for beers in that side or meet etc but fridge side could go anywhere from 2 to 6 degrees that's why I upgraded to a proper dual zone
Follow up review??
Efficiency its the best fridge out of our whole crew that gets away. Baskets have actually been a little fiddly with packing high stuff. I've been meaning to look and see what other options there are there.
I've just purchased a upright fridge so keen to see how that compares now to the luna
In my opinion back when they arrived here nothing was as good as a NL, i was happily at my expense involved with promoting that first 74 dual door here, initially they were excellent to deal with even though used my ideas freely offered at the time with due course of possible changing of some ways of operation or design to make them a little more internally better, space wise and led lights, for freely retesting yet again if possible. But when the troubles started immediately with the 95 customer satisfaction fell to bits, there was none, the issue was not resolved, the fridge should have been asked to be returned and replaced after the first trip back and no change, the words were, if you don’t like it then sell it! How do you sell a known new faulty product to someone else? Let alone with a 3g price tag, who looses here? Both parties external! My morals don’t allow that. It rightfully should have fell under the three yr warranty at only a month old... caveat emptor!
For the external size they take up, internal size, efficiency and cooling abilities in our harsh environment, all or near all other fridges started to fall in to the copy, resemble, and try and be as good syndrome, NL set the fridge standard today in my opinion, the stainless steel unit does not need a cover for any other reasons then to try protect it being rubbed on, i only ran a cover to try and prevent dust around the seals, yes they were/are expensive and although in years past I promoted them at my expense i did so because they are very good, well the 74 was unbelievable, unrivalled and the initial service ‘was’ second to none. Sadly not the case with the 95, absolute rubbish yet identical which proved something just wasn’t right, and now a $3000 fridge/freezer is going to cost who knows how much to fix, thats a damn expensive unit, no reliable service since new and now a repair bill to which what it has done hasn’t been seen before??? So should a new trouble/problem in or out of warranty be fixed and taken on board for future reference at the customer’s expense? For companies research benefits? I await and see? Remember its fault is not listed in the trouble shooting area?
My opinion Engel on the other hand are nowhere near as efficient and do require a cover to aid cooling, the heat up as a unit to room/vehicle temp when off much faster, I’ve three and still have a dead 40ltr engel which are far too expensive to fix, may as well buy a new one. The smaller fridge freezers are not cheap, a 38ltr could be purchased cheaper at the time(maybe shop special?) than the 27f/21litre i should reconfirm not 23ltr. But it fits where others don’t so no option if your stuck and no help in pushing those to be remade prior.
Personally what would i buy now if one doesn’t have much funds, after all that 95 was looked at as luxury by many! I’d probably buy a cheap unit because i have seen many perform very well and i could buy 6-8 for the same money, thats doubled my warranty at even only one year each. These new cheap units run all the electronics and bags and baskets and lights and even compressors etc etc So weighing all this up is required. And ps- you know the real benefit of a S/S NL? You can make lunch on the second lid when sitting on the back of the tray of a work ute out of the leeches and ticks height😳🤪😝😎👍
Your across it all mate. I think customer service should be a company's no.1 priority. And like you said if something is faulty they should want to take it back to find out why. You wouldn't be able to lab test a fridge to real world conditions I wouldn't think.
Engels internal temperature variance I found jumps around alot. So far the Luna has been good even locked up in a car with mid 40s outside temperature and then direct sun still only dropped 3 degrees in the freezer and your dead right there man they get hot on the outside with direct sunlight
Just brought??
Not sure what you mean?
@@4x4brothers your grammar was being corrected by a troll. Correct word is "bought" and not brought.
@@glennmundey7545 haha they could have at least helped me out with a answer then to better it for the next video for them 😂
@@4x4brothers 😆😆 agree
WTF is an Enjel?
I’ve had 6 fridges, including National Lunar, I’m currently on the road with a brand new bushman and a Engle slide out, NEVER BUY ANY THING BUT NATIONAL LUNAR, every thing else is a dissapiontment
Sounds like you've sure done your comparisons. What is it you have found stands out over the others.
Is your bushman a upright?
NL sure do make a great fridge
@@4x4brothers the bushman is 130litre upright, fridge door won’t stay latched when going off road, temp is currently set at 6 and only goes to 7 and it’s currently winter. The 35l Engle draw fridge/ freezer isn’t well enough insulated and builds up condensation on the door..once you buy a NL you stop talking about fridges- mine would go to minus 25 in 42 degrees ambient. NL test their fridges in 43 degrees, not 25 like all others
@@lazarjr330 interesting about the bushman upright. I've got one of them as well now and I usually only ever have to run it on 1, 3 on a really hot day. Wonder if there is something wrong with your fridge.
Nothing has compared to efficiency of the NL though
It a Engel dh