Marshall Plexi VS Neural DSP Quad Cortex
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มิ.ย. 2021
- 4 months ago I reviewed the Marshall SV20 20 watts Plexi. I loved this amp so much that I had to order one. Since ordering one my Neural DSP Quad Cortex turned up and I've been using it for the majority of recordings in the studio. In this video, I see if the Neural DSP Quad Cortex inbuilt plexi tones can compare to the real thing. The Studio Rats are core band members Paul Drew on guitar/production/mixing, drummer James Ivey and Dan Hawkins on bass. They collaborate with singers and musicians to produce radio-ready songs.
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It's amazing how good and up-to-date the amp sounds with a 60 year old design.
Sounds phenomenally close. Amazing technology.
The capture sounds identical to me, that Quad cortex is an impressive piece of work.
Your channel is one of the best guitar channel out there and you deserve more subscribers. I'm really enjoying your videos.
Cheers Joe, much appreciated
What are you talking about?!? The Plexi sounds like a real amp, QD doesn´t!
@@michaelwirth6843 you’re gonna tell someone what they hear lol
@@jeremyedwards9304 it sounds close but the Plexi is def fuller on the low/mids, if you can't hear that you're tone deaf .
Dude, this is one of the most complete and accurate comparisons I've seen. Fantastic job! Really appreciate all the work you have done!
Cheers Val!
Excellent experiment/video, Paul! I was looking forward to this!! Thank you
Anytime Jorge
Please, please post this capture in the app. Sounds killer!
EXACTLY what I was about to type, I see a great many beat me to it lol
yes please. Post it
Yes...I am thinking in buying a QC, and if
I can have this sound, It's a no brainer for me.
Dude, this sounds insanely good. Nice work!
just wanted to say that in my opinion you have the best guitar tones on youtube, it’s amazing how good it sounds in every video you make. Clean tones and distorted tones, all sound so good. Love the quad cortex vids! Planning on buying one so it’s super helpful :) ps. your playing is ofc super awesome as well
Thanks Victor!
Very professional and focused test. Thanks. Subscribed.
Excellent tone and playing, that lil plexi just kills! Played through one once and was blown away. Love the comparison with the QC, def sounds really cool and will hopefully get even better with updates. Cheers!
That capture sounds great! Will you share it?
Love your channel !!! Great playing as well !
Cheers Leo.
Thanks for the great video, super useful! Am pretty much sold on getting a Cortex for live use
Awesome capture Paul!!!
Paul: "I hope you got something out of this."
Me: "Every time, Paul. Every freaking time. Thank you, man."
Thanks Paul, I’m glad you do.
Thanks for the awesome video! You really answered the whole tube vs digital debate inadvertently. But, the cortex is an insane value for all the things you get. I hope to own the cortex for my main recording tool and an sv20 just for my personal pleasure
I'm capturing one this weekend! Thanks for this!
Nice one, let me know how it goes.
Another fantastic video. That is one great sounding little amp.
Cheers Jay, yep that Marshall is killer
The Neural Capture sounds pretty damn good, but that Plexi sounds awesome!
I recently ordered a QC. Looking forward to testing it with bass :)
Great video!
Those both sounded amazing! I doubt you’d be able to tell them apart in a mix, but holy cow did they sound fantastic!
Cheers Jason!
Wow, great playing. Such a rich sound.
The comparisons of the capture to the real thing always impresses. Its hard to compare when sitting in the room but listening objectively, the QC is unbeatable in the modeling world at the moment.
I'm a new user of the QC. This comparison was really good. Subscribed to your channel.
Great comparison! It’s remarkable how close the QC can come to the real deal, particularly in the hands of an expert operator.
Cheers John, that Marshall amp is so good.
OMG I want this QC so bad 🤟
Thx for the video,always a lot to learn from them.
Anytime Nicolae
just got mine after waiting 6 months, worth the wait. Now if I can just figure out how to use it
Wow the capture was really good. Great sounding amp!
I'm not really sure about the model comparison though. It seemed the real amp was noticably louder, so loudness bias is a factor when trying to subjectively judge it.
Please post this capture in the cloud sound amazing. Thank so much..your videos are very educative and cool tones🤟
Hi, thanks so much. Will do.
@@TheStudioRats So whats the cloud name? :D
That capture feature is a beast!!!!
Great video and comparison. I have a QC and this is the closest I will get to having a plexi. You got the QC sounding very close; the capture was even closer. I am very impressed with the QC and yet it reminds me what a phenomenal bang for buck the Boss Katana is, which I have. Thanks Paul! Oh, your Goldtop is so lush.
Cheers as always Scuba
Amazing Job 🙌🏻
that sound capture was impressive good!
Les Paul plus Marshall = tone heaven, great channel!
Cheers Rob.
I need this capture!
Not sure if anyone else has asked this, but I'd pay just about anything for a Kemper Profile of your SV20 through that db13 cab. I used to have a similar rig, with the handwired Marshall 2061x into the exact same db13 cab. It's so great. Thanks for posting this!
Great job!
The best video comparing quad and a real amp so far.
Glad you liked it
The model was similar but the capture was spot on! Specially having seen the model comparison first, when you hear the capture comparison it was like wow that is what you were aiming for but could not get with the model. It was interesting to see you add post eq to get it closer though.
Fantastic! 👍🏻 Me got a Marshall Plexi 1987x, but me want the Quad Cortex too…
Great video Paul! Hard to beat the real thing! But you matched it really nicely.
Thanks 👍
This is the Best video I ever saw in comparison of a real amp with a digital amp. I make every bet. In a Blind audition I would find out 100% what is the valve and what the DSP. Even if they are becoming better you cannot make something better that is perfect in building out the tone. In dynamic, attack and response. Brilliant. Thanks.
One thing in advance i am messing in every comparison dsp vs valve. How dsp reacts when decreasing guitar volume and how a valve amp reacts doing the same. In my opinion this is one of the Main differences
I’ve had both and amps first and pedals. But the quad wins in all areas. It reacts when you lower the guitar’s volume. The Kemper sounded like a cocked wah when I’d lower the guitar’s volume. I couldn’t wait to sell it for many reasons. Many reasons. The feel. It need da pedal to help it with sound and feel. Ui was awful. Rig manager a pita. I don’t want to be tied to a computer myself.
I really paid close attention here, great headphones etc. and I think that SV20 here absolutely ruled the day, They way you recorded it (what mic did you use btw?) just caught everything I love about that plexi sound - although id of had a little less drive haha. The neural is awesome too.... but it sounded so 2D compared to the bloomy natural fuller sound of the amp.
QC is on my shopping. I have the SV20 combo and with an SD1 in the front it’s the best sounding aggressive rock amp I’ve ever owned! Amazing amp.
Nice one, cheers Ben!
Awesome. Thanks 🙏 #staysafe
Wow! When you said " that's getting close" I busted out laughing because that was so accurate as soon as you tweaked the EQ. I love my quad cortex. My main distortion right now is a capture of a dumble I found paired with a klon centaur and boosted by the utility gain. It sounds phenomenal. With the QC I now have a dumble, klon centuar, mezzabarba trinity, driftwood, and even a wizard. That's like $200k worth of amps and pedals that sound exactly like the originals.
Great video
Awesome! Could you please share the capture of this amp on the Cortex mobile app? Thanks in advance!
Hi Paul, is there a possibility you could upload the capture on the Cortex Cloud? I am just in love with that sound..
amazing video!! i'm now convinced to buy myself a quad cortex! will sub to you as well! God bless!!
Sounds effin great! If you hadn't pointed out which one was which, I prolly wouldn't have known myself. As far as sound quality goes, the digital stuff is right up there. I haven't tried playing one myself but I suspect (like you said) that the experience of playing through one is different from the valve/tube amps that we all know and love. I might have to enquire Santa about a QC for christmas 🤔
Cheers Ricky
Nice....the capture sounds pretty damn good. Pretty close.
Cheers Ian.
Great stuff here.
i have the Helix. I love the Helix, but compared to the QC it's like having an Epiphone LP to a Gibson. I ordered my QC from Sweetwater (only seller in USA) and I was told I'd get it by September sometime. For only $1,849 it beats a Kemper or AxeFX by a mile.
Nice work and playing! Do you have this on the QC cloud capture?
well done!!
Capture sounds great!!! Are you going to upload it? It would be great :)
Sounds really good but real thing wins for me. Great comparison, thank you 😊
Agreed the Marshall is definitely top.
DSP is the future. They will get more and more powerful and there will be the point when you won't need tubes anymore. In fact, tubes are the outdated technology (last century/millennium) that requires a lot of electric power, produces a lot of heat and not really reliable:)
Yes, definitely real amp wins, QC sounds good but it is only that, sounds good.
Love thia video
Any chance of uploading that capture to your QC cloud? If you dont mind of course, thats a wonderful tone!
WOW. VERY INFORMATIVE
I still using a pod hdx 500 with great results.
I will upgrade soon
It's at the end of it lifespan after 6 years of gigs.Gigs beat up gear on the floor
Put it higher up. You can’t compare that hd500 thing. I had one. It was awful. Actually a lot of the pros are using it on the floor. I’ve seen some bands have them on metal slides out of a metal cabinet. But the foot switches will hold up. You can’t protect a pedal board either on the floor.
Great video! which speakers do you have in your divided by 13 cab?
Hey! Great video, so you have a overdrive on your plexi too or is that the sound direct without any effects?
Sounds amazing. is capture uploaded? I can't see it on the cloud
Cheers Dean
The capture was sooo much better than the preset. Did you still have any of the latency issues with the capture?
Nice Video👍 You said it...you feel the difference by playing...something is for the bedroom, something to get the power... real men play Marshall🤘 stay tuned and keep on rock'in
Amazing. Please make a DI capture of that amp and share it so i can use it with my cab, please!
I second that notion!
Can you post this capture on your profile in Neural Cloud? What a tone!
the Cortex gets close but has a persistent blanketed (blanket over the speakers)/slightly- muffled tone. Missing the openness of the actual amp.
Nice comparison. I think with a bit of EQ tweaks, the QC could sound even closer to the Plexi.
Hi, great comparison and great tone matching. Do you happen to have the capture of your amp on the Cortex Cloud? If so, let us know which one it is. It sounds bitchin! Thanks!
Wow when you capture the sound it's really amazing, when you are just making the sound I don't think you can get a good one as much as when you capture it, the less versatile thing is knowing that after capturing you can't change any parameters.
Hi Paul, thanks for the vid! How does the Studio 20watt compare to the Plexi 1959slp ?
Pleeeeeeasseeeee post this capture!!!
Hi Paul, could you upload this to the QC cloud please?
Your playing is sublime. You should teach your style of playing. Did the capture also feel different under your fingers or just the modeling? I’ve just ordered an FM3 and hopefully the feel is there.
Hi Anna, thanks! It still does feel different, it’s a small thing but it is there. Good luck with the FM3 I hear it’s great.
Please share that capture!
I wonder how the Quad Cortex compares to the UA Lion for Marshall tones. Not just from the raw standpoint but also how the units respond to your playing, simulate edge of breakup and that kinda stuff.
Will your capture of the Plexi be available for other Quad Cortex Users?
Paul great vid .. bloody funny too ..
Cheers knock knock
What is the Marshall running through for mic and cab? Real cab and mic or a load and IR/cab emulation? Direct out?
When you did your capture did you use a load box or did you mic your cab straight into the Cortex?
Amazing video! I’ve just subscribed to your channel!! May I ask you something? If I use the scene mode (A-B-C-D), I can use E-F-G-H as stomps? Thanks!
Hi Gabriel. As far as I know??? that’s not possible yet. But I could be wrong.
@@TheStudioRats No problem!! Thank you so much. Cheers!!
I notice there is reverb and delay on the Cortex, where is that coming from? Are you using any other external gear that is affecting the sound?
The plexi sounds better in every way. Will the audience notice, after eq and chorus and delay and processing? No. That makes the Quad Cortex worth it.
For me the Quad Cortex is a chance (probably my only chance) to have a $100,000 dollars in amps without actually having to buy them. It's so close that most cannot tell the difference in blind test. I think the main difference you're hearing is the volume. People have a built in bias to automatically think louder is better.
It's not always 100% about the audience. In most instances, the audience won't care if you're playing through a 1992 Line 6 solid state amp. They just want to hear the rhythm and the vocals of the songs they like. As long as it's there, they're usually happy, barring few people that can really discern the differences.
Your amp and guitar have a very clear and defined relationship that involves more than just "does it sound like that amp I like." The amp provides character, feel, and response. These things are what inspire us to play certain licks, rhythms, styles, etc... So pick the amp that inspires you the most based on all of those characteristics, not just "omg people that don't play an instrument will never know the difference."
@@IndyRockStar amps are always better and depending on the amp they take pedals better but… this is the best modeler I’ve ever had in feel, sound, UI, no computer needed just a cell. Compact and cool factor. The plug in whiners don’t realize neural already put a lot of those captures in there already. The whiners just don’t want to put out the money or move away from their computers. Meanwhile, the people that literally have signature plug ins are using the actual quad on stage. Pro or not, I love it.
Is your signal chain guitar>A/B switch> Marshal or QC > interface?>DAW with Delay and reverb
Or are you getting your delay reverb and mic pre somewhere else? Also do you use any compression?
Sorry for the million questions, but you have such a consistently high quality tone no matter what you use, and I really want to improve.
so does a capture feel more immediate?
Sounds like you adjusted the Plexi to sound like the Quad on the last recording you did, both sound like there was a blanket covering them, where before it was wide open and clear for the Plexi
Is this plexi capture available on Cortex Cloud?
great! as usuall! how would u compare the Quad Cortex to Kempe?
Well you’re not asking me but it’s been 11 months on the answer I’ve had both and the quad feels and sounds the most like a nap to me. Kemper I never liked in feel pretty sound. Sold it.
Sounds great. Way different dynamics but the EQ and clipping are very very close.
Hi Paul, please could you tell me what the measurement is of your bridge pickup from the strings. Your tone is great!
Hi Matt. Cheers. I’ll see if I can find a ruler.
@@TheStudioRats don't worry, I just thought u might know
Que pastillas tiene la r7?
You dialed that in vary close, you could raise the high frequency your boosting at the end.
The capture sounded great.
I could record or play a gig with those sounds.
Just bought this unit 😋 Is this capture available for download ?
Paul has stuff on the cloud. But not this last time I checked. It’s obviously under studio rats.
Hey...a question occurred to me. When you did the capture at 9:16, how was the Cortex connected? Did you use a mic on the cab, or did you run a signal out of the amp into the Cortex?
it was miced. cheers.
@@TheStudioRats So wouldn't that mean you capturéd not just the amp, but the cab as well?
8:09 I remember what computer games sounded like that 😂
Paul, can you describe your reverb/ delay settings for this demo?
Hi Paul, I’m using a lexicon 224 and precision delay from a UA Apollo interface.
Just wow
That’s the best damn plexi I’ve ever heard!!!
The studio vintage is a killer little amp.
My suggestion is to increase the mids on the cortex just a little bit to get it more simular.
I have been noticed you have always got some nice delay/reverb tail at every rig you demo. Are those wet effects coming from your DAW or pedal?
Cheers Jack, I’m using a UA Apollo interface, the reverb and delays are from that.