we DID NOT quote for this!!! Finding major structural defects at our brand new job.
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- In this episode we take a little look at what's to come from this channel for the next 12 months!
It's a total house refurb which includes:
- an 8m by 10m single storey extension.
- a 3m by 10m first storey extension,
- total roof removal and rebuild with the inclusion of a loft room,
- an 8m by 10m patio
- retaining walls
and absolutely everything in-between!
Let us know in the comments how you'd like it all packaged up and presented to you and we'll do it!
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Weekly, at least, would be great for me. Warts and all. Or time lapse with references to previous videos as you have to edit the videos and create the content, lots of work in itself. I just enjoy watching and learning. The banter, the graft, the level of skill and quality of work are just great to watch. Also love a journey and that house looks like being an interesting one. Looking forward to it and all the best to you all!
Agreed. A gripping watch. I'm addicted.
I was thinking the exact same thing lol
I like to see a weekly update bro. As tradesmen I think we enjoy to see the ups and downs, set backs and victories etc as they happen. Bits of this and bits of that are generally how we have to do it....we never actually know how things are going to go from one day to the next. Bring it on and all the very best to you all. 👍
Would love to see time lapses of the work being done mixed with you explaining certain jobs that are not so straight forward and updates of what that part of the job looks like when finished.
Good luck lads!
We could do that quite easily, but we may not be able to keep up with the weekly videos, we may miss a couple. Would that be ok?
You have a unique chance here to combine 2 different types. A vlog that also teaches. Show how you approach these problems and the solutions, perhaps as a seperate series.
That’s a good idea and is how we try to approach our videos generally anyway but we could certainly start going into depth more especially on this project with a LOT! going on
Weekly will be great Adam. I absolutely love your content. Spot on mate👍🏻
Gives new meaning to "the house is settling"
i would love to see everything.
Then everything you shall see! Leave it with us!
Wow. I would knock it down and rebuild it to passive house standards. Would be much easier and quicker
It would be easier and possibly more cost effective. Shocking state of affairs
Week by week 👍
That's certainly what the majority seems to be Mr Big! Even if not a lot happens in a week?
I’m thinking that complete demolition and starting again would be cheaper and quicker. But will look forward to your videos and suggest one every one to two weeks .
Nice to see a true professional, wanting to do the job right... good stuff Sir.
That's a really nice thing to hear mate, thank you very much.
Knock it down, the VAT saving will cover the extra cost for the rebuild.
I think weekly.
Looking forward to seeing this job 👍
Good morning work lads
Weekly for us as well please. What an absolute nightmare to have uncovered 🤯 can’t even begin to imagine how much the budget has changed on that one 🤦🏻♂️
Let's just say that it's increased ever so slightly! Oh well! Appreciate you watching mate, all the best.
I, like most, would like weekly. I really enjoy seeing what you are up to, it brightens my week. Take good care and whatever you are up to be safe. Thanks for posting.
Thank you Roger! It's great to hear that you like our videos so much. Hope you're well mate, all the best.
Massive job. Fair play to ye for taking it on. Alot of people would run a mile from those types of jobs. I love these types of jobs. Im starting a full renovation of a bungalow in 2 weeks for a client. Making small rooms bigger, 2 extensions 1 to the front 1 to the rear. All old concrete floors have to be broke out and brought up to spec for underfloor heating, new windows and doors. I would love to have the time and patience to film it like ye boys but it wouldnt be too interesting.
Adam would like to see weekly up dates this job is so challenging but we know the A team is on it
Would it have been easier and cheaper to demolish the existing house and build a new one?
Easier to rebuild, absolutely but cheaper, sadly not! Which is a crying shame!
I’d like to see as much construction/ demolition as you are willing to film, I’m really enjoying your channel
Interesting project, just make sure you are paid for quote AND any additional work, too many trades getting ripped off!
Can't argue with that, mate. Fair play to you. Hope you're well.
As ex pat in oz and a retired builder I personally spent 52yrs in the industry from the start of my apprenticeship and was always taught to expect the unexpected 😂😂 never a truer word personally like to see a weekly blog best of luck hopefully it’s calmer waters ahead
Id be getting the bulldozer in and flattening the lot and starting fresh 😂
Definately weekly, it will be great to see the job progress as it happens 👍
Cheers Marcus!
I would love to work for somebody like you. Learn a lot
You'll learn how not to do things too! Haha! Where you based mate?
@mrabuilders6723 north east not in building though done plastering and drainage now and then
Dear God! What a project guys! Weekly vlogs would be amazing with top ups from your own place Adam please 😁😁 will the owners be offering bus tours around the proposed development? 🤣🤣🤣
Week by week video blog please.
Makes no sense. Demolishing it would surely be more economical and current building regs would allow for a much warmer home.
Weekly gets my vote - the "boring" bits you're worried about are just the realities of a huge renovation and are interesting to see. Keep up the great content 👍
Your SE is right in his assessment. Those bricks and timber gable is original as the rest of the house is fairly modern, probably mock tudor 1930's that's been covered with render and cladding. The timbers are far too modern sections for it to be period. It would be quite something to find original workmanship that bad to be 200mm off level.
My take:
If its sand/gravel underneath could be subsidence.
If its clay could be shrinkage/heave.
Either way if it has subsided at the front, the top of that gable wall will be pinned back by the roof under tension, which pulls everything above the lintel inwards, with everything below the lintel bowing out. At 7:18 you can see the bearing timber on the top of the brick bowing down and it has pulled out of the post. The roof timbers pulled out in the other direction also suggest the subsidence could be around the front corner and to the side of the house (also where the gap between gable and flank wall is largest).
If it's clay and has heaved up halfway down the flank wall, it might have had a similar effect pushing the wall up and tilting the first floor outwards, while the roof is still holding the rafter back.
The 200mm deflection in the floor without apparent gaps in the brick is probably because the roof is picking up most of the strain either way the house is moving. As you go lower down the wall into the ground floor, the gap would be even less and possibly not noticeable because it's further away from the tension zone.
For safety, I'd batten up every wall in that room with vertical and horizontal timbers back to some solid wall and get some steel restraint straps into the roof rafters temporarily. Avoid working in that area or below it on windy days and open the front windows since you've taken the back wall down on the upper floor to avoid internal pressure from a gust blowing it out.
This could be an underpinning job around the front corner. Might be worth getting some trial pits or specialist advise to de-risk.
Thank you, Johnathan. That's a great insight and it all makes perfect sense. Why would the clay heave though? If it is clay that is and it very well may be. I know that it heaves because of roots/tree removal but there's none in that area. Could it be that there's an excess of water in that area? Such as a broken drain or poor surface water management?
Have had a lot of issues with the very hot and dry summer of 2022 drying out clay without roots involved.
@@mrabuilders6723 It could be those things, I see the neighbour's RW downpipe is close to that corner, so there is definitely at least one surface drain in the area. It can also happen when the clay layer is quite thin above a completely impermeable rock layer, you get a perched water table that traps the water and expands the clay. Difficult to say without a window sample.
You can see a smallish diagonal crack in the plaster when your lad took up the flooring. It would help to determine when the flooring was done as its very possible they re-plastered the walls at the same time, otherwise you'd have seen a huge crack matching the bricks in the plaster too - therefore the house has moved more since. If it was only done a few years ago, then there could be more movement to come. If it was done 30 years ago, then you could argue that the house has probably moved the most it's going to.
It's a tough job this! How much money is the owner willing to spend, how much of your margin are you willing to eat into to, how much time you have on the job. I know fees and for professional advice and are a proportionally large for house jobs. Don't envy you, but ill follow with interest.
Seeing stages as they're completed would be great. See how it fits your schedule. Good luck.
I have only a little of experience in construction, but that house is good for demolition and not much more.
It just needs a really thick coat of paint to hold it all together (until the cheque clears).
Funny that , my mate done a big big paying job and a neighbour who saw what he was doing wanted a quote , now my mate needed acces so went on a day mutually agreed and on his way he sees some guy looking official mooching on the property he’s doing work at.
My mate being friendly approaches and finds out this is a man from the council who’s not happy , not happy indeed and there’s trouble brewing over what’s been done so my mate says can you do me a favour I’m finishing round the back tomorrow can you leave this a week so I get paid and he did 😂😂😂
Things you gotta do 🥷🏿
A lot of knock it down comments, if there is no subsidence why knock it down? Its on firm footing. Having done some building work but no expert, Pull the roof off, pull the wall down, pull the floor up and go again.
Do a weekly progress update too like Laura kampf did
Building surveyor here, a lot of people think that houses built in the 30’s etc were well built and solid, it couldn’t be further from the truth. As others have said in reality you need to virtually start again.
I nearly bought a 1930s house once, but after subsidence was found in one corner (damaged drain) I backed out. So glad I did.
What's the foundation like???😢
@stuartmoles843: I always assumed 1930s properties were decently built, but now with a rare view of a house deconstructed back to its skeleton I see poor quality, a building boom between the wars and likely little building control.
Nice long weekly videos please bro something to look forward to 👍👍
Knock it down and start again
Would it not be easier just to not the entire house down and start from scratch?
Weekly please I enjoy watching how you solve problems.keep up the good work lads.
Knock it down start again 😂🤣
I wish we could!
Love your channel mate! Bricklayer myself. I would suggest to upload the whole start to finish videos with named chapters available, so people can fast forward to the part they want to watch and learn from. TH-cam has that function, I believe(please do your research). List and Hash tag all chapters in the description section for people to find them easier. Look at the raw footage as THE BIBLE through the DYI people, newbies, simple lay persons' eyes and ask yourself what they would ask. Tips, tricks, trade secrets and possible solutions is another gold mine! I would love to pick your brain! RESPECT!
I'm also a builder and totally agree with this comment well said
Love to know how the joists are attached to that wall, if at all. I would have spanned the floor joists the other way if the foundations could support the redistributed loads.
That house is good for one thing.
Demolition.
I wish that that was an option mate!
A lot of work there mate .Weekly will do for me.
ied love to see it all, every decision every job every issue each day
That can be done, Andy! Quite easily!
This seems like an insurmountable task, it's surprising what can be rebuilt without having to knock the whole house down, as it seems like you're basically going to have to strip everything back, and rebuild it from scratch.
Great video, well presented, lets have the lot, from start to finish! As people have stated, what would the difference in cost be, between doing up what's there, and a total rebuild?
I really like the blog style of doing things, but with lots of footage of you explaining how you are doing it etc. The series on your house has been great, the garden room series was great, Harborne was great... Just keep doing what you've been doing I reckon!
Ah Tom that's ace mate, thank you. Really glad you enjoy our videos and really appreciate you watching them and commenting. Cheers man.
It's quite common in Edinburgh for 1870's tenaments to be out 100 to 200mm .
However these structures are 1m thick exterior walls and 280x140 pitch pine joists that are already 200 years old .
Each tenament , if you weighed it is around 5000 tons minimum and upto 11000 for a biggie so it's no surprise a little settlement happens over the years .
More to the point , less than 0.1% have been pulled down in 150 years due to unsafe condition issues .
The figure 0.01% suggests that at least one 1870s Edinburgh 100 to 200mm tenement was demolished within the past 150 years. For your statistic to be correct there would need to be 9,999 more 1870s Edinburgh 100 to 200mm tenements that survived, which I do not believe is true.
@@SmokingLaddy There was a row of 4 pulled down in Stockbridge around 1950 . Aside from that , none .
Then if four is 0.01% there must be 40,000 (minus four) that remain.
Although some of those could be gone for reasons other than safety issues.
@@pencilme1n Yeah it is mathematically impossible. Furthermore there are 168,500 flats in Edinburgh, if you divide this with the amount of tenements supposedly still standing in Edinburgh it does not make sense mathematically.
@SmokingLaddy Clearly you don't understand "less than".
Good to see a weekly update.
wouldn't it be cheaper and quicker to knock it ALL down and start again - what are the VAT implications for new builds over rennos?
Exactly
Weekly please. No need to skip over bits you think won’t be of interest as your content is always worth the watch!
Pleased this isn’t coming out of my pocket. I would give serious consideration to a rebuild ( especially if what one guy said about the VAT is correct)
My feeling as well.
Whoa, this looks like a typical new build in Melbourne, Australia. You could rent it out as it is well above market price if it was over here!
In other words you are taking down the house and building a new one LOL ; but they are making the job difercult by not just clearing the site in one go.
Going to be a great project. I know it’s a lot of work but like others would love a weekly vlog and also in-depth videos along the way !! Keep up the good work
Im no expert but frankly I cannot believe that, in the long run, it wouldn't be cheaper to just start again. Promise you you'll be chasing problem after problem that will put the price up higher than what you quote for.
I agree. Unless the building is listed which clearly it isn’t then just bulldoze it and start again
Here in California, we call this situation a cluster f_ck
Weekly, or even more frequently. It’s great to see what you’re doing, the more the merrier!
Is it not more cost effective to just demolish completely and build new on the plot
Weekly for me be great to see it as you guys do. Really looking forward to this very interesting with both neighbours involved 🤔
I think that interesting times are ahead! Cheers Paul!
Weekly for me starting with a complete demolition 😂
Oh how I wish we could do that, Peter!
Wow, big then bigger job on your hands there guys !! Be really good for a twice a week update if you can ?? Real life vids like this are invaluable too so well done, and thank you for presenting them so far.
Knock it down and start again for me, but at the end of the day, it's up to the client. A lot of work for you guys and great videos for us, win win in my book. Weekly updates for me please.
Yes once a week plus we need to see your house as well during the week.
No worries, John. My house will be back on before you know it! Cheers man, take care.
Yes please, weekly would be great.
Midweek / weekend and live 😊
Haha! So you want the lot then! We'll try our best! Quick question...I presume you know a bit about drones? If so I'm after some advice if you wouldn't mind?
@@mrabuilders6723 sent you an email
Every week please for me. Going to be an interesting project for me up to dpc, from this first video there seems to be so much pre build work not been carried out. Someone couldn't be arsed to get off their backside and do a simple survey to see if it fits? few things to consider, existing trees/hedges in relation to foundation depth, line and level of ext drains, boundary wall foundations, retaining when ground levels reduced, party wall act etc. You're a brickie, do you think that wall will still be there in a few episodes?
We live in a 17th century cottage - I can assure you there have been cowboy builders in every century since! I'm with others here - it's not listed, it's a horrible looking house, demolish it and build a new well insulated and better looking house. No offence to everyone on site but it will always be a massive compromise and a nightmare build. Plus the client will never truly like it. Subscribed.👍
Weekly for me will be interesting to see how it works out
Just needs a few tubes of gripfill on that front wall gap, must have been done by really shoddy builders to have left that step out.
Will look forward to this one. I can’t imagine your client is going to be popular with the neighbours - 8m out and full width of the house and a full on loft conversion on top as well, that’s going to be quite imposing!
Don't you just love this fantastic industry we work in. If only Joe public realised what we have to go through every week, just trying to earn a living.
It ace isn't it! The fun never stops!
and when you're on site, their list of 'additional simple jobs' appear. Whatever the vocation the client will try and use you to save money.
Week by week would be great for me with so much to take in good luck. I would love to take a job on of this magnitude,
Would be interesting to know when this was originally built.
I'll try and find out mate but we think it'll be around 1920.
Weekly please its great to see what builders really have to deal with 😊
Would be so much easier to level it and start again.
You're totally right mate but unfortunately not cheaper!
Deffo weekly vlog style... maybe a monthly highlight reel with the major milestones?
I assume the owners have got all the necessary consents from the Council - and that the Council is being kept up to date on developments. And where are the owners' insurers in all this? This is me thinking like a lawyer, I can't help it!
The new plans are shown in this video, and a surveyor has concluded the house defects were likely because it was built this way.
I think you should present this like a horror movie, with spooky music…to scared to look but can’t help myself.
Yes they had cowboy builders back then when first watching this vid I was scratching my head thinking it dosent ad up it looks like it's been built like that then it was confirmed
A few years ago, we had the windows in our bay replaced. No sooner had the window fitters taken the window out of the upstairs front bedroom than the whole bay began to move away from the front of the house. As with this one, they were timber framed windows and none of the brickwork was tied in to the front wall of the house. (Built in 1910.) Fortunately, the design was a bit less awful than this one, but we had to have special steel supporting pillars made to do the reinforcement job the old timber windows had done, and then lots of strap work to tie in the bay to the front wall to make it structurally sound. While the old materials might have been better in some senses than modern materials (decent wood and slate was affordable back then) the builders were every bit as much cowboys as todays bad builders are.
top to bottom take down , saving as much as possible ie old bricks and whatever timber treated etc .. foundations under pin where necessary , new house new extensation follow planning consent . Three month job after the take down . And ps who ever bought this place or were left it and advised by structural engineer they should sack them all , because this was always a demolition job from day one , too many crappy patch up jobs and big quick profits by these people , they patch up walk away and are putting peoples lives in danger , anyone that will not knock this should be in jail .
Yep I second that, knock it all down and start again with a traditional looking hi spec energy efficient new gaffe. Pussy footing around that shaky old wreck will cost you big time
@@johnhaydon4055It's still probably built better than a new build though.
Weekly or bi-weekly to fit in with the tasks, etc. Love the "expensive background" joke. :-)
Thanks for such great content. Good luck with this job.
Haha! I think it went over many people's heads! Cheers man, it looks like weekly is the winning vote! Appreciate you watching and commenting, thank you.
I would definitely like to see weekly videos of all the structural parts of this build in detail and how your going to correct the issues, as every job is different. The internal parts like partitions, kitchens and 2nď fix work could be shorter with timelapse's, as much as I hate channels that use to much timelapse's. Good luck with it, looks like you'll need it.👍
One heck of a project there! Weekly updates would be great 😊
After just coming off a build that should’ve been knocked and rebuilt I can see you what your going through. We had under pinning to do. Massive steels put into the house from foundations to the roof all connected. The house is unsafe and it will take a lot of work to get it right.
Great intro, will watch your progress, video as and when you can, after all the job is what is important.
Love your videos i would love to see how it goes evey week you do a brilliant job and video
My guess was it was built wonky and those Gallows brackets 🫣😱.
Of all the issues you pointed out the I’ve thing I couldn’t unsee was the half in the middle of the wall between them and next door 🫣😳😆🧱👍🏽
Hello fellas, hope you're both well. That half is horrible isn't it! It's the first thing I saw too. It's where the 4 inch wall becomes a 9 inch so at least it's bonded in and looks ok from the face side! Thank you for watching, fellas... p.s...don't suppose you want to sell any of those Millwaukee tools do you? Or swap them for some 1st Gen Black and Decker??? Hahaha! Take care fellas.
Interesting chance to see a house deconstructed back to its original skeleton, I wonder about the modern replacement windows, these are very heavy and replaced the original wooden frames with single glazing, the additional weight of modern window frames with no additional support mustn’t help the structure either.
The more the problems unfolded the more I thought why not demolish the whole house and build a new one? I suppose its a planning issue not to have a new build in a street of old buildings. As for the changing plans which will mean a considerable amount of extra work - I hope your Contract will allow for the huge increase in the cost of the job with substantial stage payments every month. To cover 12 months work I think you should show completed stages as too much brickwork can get boring to watch. I await the next episode!!
Back home here we call that house "Bulldozer Bait". I'm in for whatever way you plan to present the reconstruction. I have been enjoying your content for quite some time now. Carry-on.
"Bulldozer Bail"!!! Haha! I like that! Where is "back home here" mate? It's ace to hear that you're enjoying our videos, Chris. Appreciate your support, thank you.
@@mrabuilders6723 Across the pond, as they say, the northern half.
Weekly vlogs
Noted, Phil! Let's see what other people say but I think you may be on the winning side already!
Perhaps every other week as a build report as I'd really like to see the progress on your own house which is starting to look pretty good.
As an aside, I can't help wondering given the potential advantages (as I understand it) with VAT being taken out that to knock the whole lot down and start again might be the safer, easier and more economical route?
Its a shame, you couldnt pull it all down and start again, with a new build, it would be so much easier.....
Easier, without a doubt yes but so much more expensive unfortunately! Which is a crying shame. Thank you for watching mate, hope you're well.
That is gonna be one awesome build! Really looking forward to seeing it all take shape!with regard to format for footage, just use your normal formula of explaining and then some footage at regular speed of work being done and some Timelapse footage! All works well already! Great job
Week in week fro a year please Adam ,this is a great one.
It would be easy to resolve the wall issue with a PWA agreement, infact if you are going lower with founds and the wall is next door's then it would be in your client's interests to go into one anyway. There is definitely something wrong with this job, no way should a wall be making your client alter plans. It also sounds like the house has not been properly surveyed, any Surveyor would be able to see it was not visually right at the front, the brickwork appeared heavily stained too. Have drain surveys been done??? Bet there is a sewer in back garden. This job stinks to high heaven, how much will it be, £200K??? Like your channel just be very careful, hope it isn't someone looking to re-finance it all at the end, who knows where the market will be next year.
Just came across your channel, looking forward to see how this one turns out :)
That sloped floor is perfect for sewage line
Bought a hard hat for weekly episodes 🎉🎉
Haha! Fair play! Nice one mate.