I'm in my early 40's and I've never had any information about the karanga people up until I started to watch your videos .I appreciate your time and effort to share all this information .were one Africans
The Matobo area belongs to Kalanga people for sure. Therefore stop lying please. The last time I heard, the Kalanga do not have the "r" in their language and DO NOT consider themselves Karanga. The Matobo area NEVER belonged to the Ndebele people who hail from KwaZulu since, obviously, they came from KwaZulu. The Ndebele have never claimed to own Njelele. When they came over they found Mambo being the ruler and they acknowledged that. Now there raids and all that, which is a sore point to the Shona people to this day. We obviously can't change that, and the Shona can't reverse that by suppressing descendants of the Ndebele in the most cowardly way.
You will find that a number of Shona/Karanga/Kalanga places were changed to ndebele names in the same manner with Vic Falls, .Danamombe Ruins in Fort Rixon were renamed to Dlodlo Ruins , so is the NJERERE to Njelele. I also understand that even the spirit mediums or caretakers of the njelele shrine now speak ndebele.
Having read Chigwedere, he states that while there are no differences between Karanga and Kalanga, the original name was Kalanga. Karanga came from the Portuguese who refered to them as Mocaranga. This has me thinking that 'Njelele' may be the original name. That said, I'm not really fussed with either reference. Just as long as its historical and spiritual significance is not eroded.
The word Ranga is a word to do with discipline Ka is a suffix and Ranga is the word. The Karanga never shook hands like many other tribes like Shangwe Tonga etc and in the extreme instances they would use nature to discipline whoever wronged them Kumuranga so Makaranga ukulaya.
Chigwedere can not be correct. The karangas do not use R in the dialect. L can never be in the original language of these Vanhu (Bantus) it must be noted that where you find kalangas , their dialect was influenced by Tswanas and Later the ndebeles. The mabwe adziva, is the original name of the shrines with the hunters being the custodians of the shrines.that can never be njelele. Many names changed like bulilimamagwe, lalapanzi, khami, etc
Please stop lying, name the book, page where Chigwedere states that? No informed historians has ever mentioned the existence of Kalanga people during Mutap & Rozvi Empire. They all talk about KARANGA PEOPLE. The name changes with the arrival of Ndebeles in Zimbabwe areas, because some karanga people quickly assimilated into that Ndebele tribe as AmaHole.
You are very wrong Sir. Njelele is a Kalanga/Venda word. Yes the Karanga/Venda/Kalanga are related. It is not true that the Ndebele changed the shrines names. Shrines like Njelele, Dula etc were found by the Ndebele and they never interfered with them but rather respected them. The custodians of these shrines are descendants of the Venda people of the Lubimbi/Thovhela of the Mbedzi/Wudo clan. Both Kalanga and Venda have the letter "L". Njelele is also a Venda word sometimes written as Nzhelele, both in Zimbabwe and South Africa. The Kalanga/Venda are closely related to the Banyai/Vhanyai. It is not the Ndebele who introduced the letter "L" in Kalanga and Venda.
@@Blackmoses2 The Karanga/Kalanga/Venda share the same ancestors. Remember they settled in Mapungubwe in RSA then later moved Northwards to occupy the Great Zimbabwe area. This is like 1500yrs ago. The Vendas still to this day identify with the Monomutapa Kingdom, names of Venda kings then sound more like shona today, the Kalanga kings Tohwechipi, Chirisamhuru all these identify under the standard shona words. We Mzilikazi was a zulu but today ndebele still sounds more like zulu though different . Language change with time with pple you mingle with, with technology. If shona was a tribe it would include almost all the indegenous tribes of Zimbabwe
Stop lying to the people nzhelele /nhjelele was never called njerere, this place was always in custody of Bakalamga not karanga and karanga was not spoken by then as it is break away language from kalanga
What is the difference between Karanga / Kalanga and Ndebele customs ? Nothing except languages. These people shared similar customs so it would be natural for any tribe to be attracted to the same shrine . What difference does it matter if a Ndebele calls it njelele or Karanga calling it njerere. These southern Africans were not as divided as we would like them to be based on our colonial and political mentality. There was no South Africa or Rhodesia . There was just a vast land of people speaking different languages sometimes clashing and at times forging relationship. No one in Zimbabwe can prove that there were no Ngunis around till Shaka came .
There similarities yes and also differences perhaps Shaka is really Not the issue here but the tribal geographical names like Matebeleland and Mashonaland This comes with the corruption of names like Matonjeni which is clearly an attempt to Ndeberise a Karanga word because it is a word with No Ndebele meaning apart from the Karanga word kumatombo which has both meaning and name
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 how is it corruption? A Karanga can call a white person ‘ murungu ‘ , that is their objective description of what they see as Caucasian . A Ndebele will always have an L in their speech and a Karanga an R. Njerere, njelele. Both tribes revere this place as a holy site so there’s more to agree than to fight of the naming.
@@muhammadjerahwenya9262 the ndebeles came from kwazulu after running away from mcane in less than 200 years so how can they name something that was already there. Stop with your nonsense if you don't have facts.
@@h.m.5724 You are actually also talking nonsense and trying too hard to overlook the BaKalanga tribe that existed way before the Ndebele arrived and the VaVenda tribe, specifically the Mbedzi clan, the descendants of Thovhela who are actually the custodians of Njelele. The "L" has been there long before Zwangendaba and Mzilikazi arrived with their people amongst the Kalanga and Venda.
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 Why are you overlooking the VhaVenda and the BaKalanga the custodians of the rain making shrines Njelele, Dula etc? Did they only come to existance recently after the arrival of Zwangendaba and Mzilikazi?
Point of correction my good sir, the original Karanga people was comprised of one Clan which is Mbedzi. Njelele is one of the largest eagle that preys on wild antelope, Vultures baby birds, baboons etc. It hardly prey on domestic chicken, or it doesn't at all. It is not gondo because gondo in our language is Funguvhu white necked raven. Chapungu/njelele/Luvhimba is one but different names. Right now you can say Njelele is a place of many people,but it is a known fact that it is Vhambedzi/Luvhimbi/Dzivha place worship for the longest time before invasion of the land Zimbabwe, they are the Coptic vhakalanga.
The idea that the letter 'R' was introduced into Shona language by the Portuguese is foolish colonial propaganda of which many people believe. The 'R' existed in Shona long before contact with the Portuguese. The Shona believed that they migrated from GuRuSwa where their ancestors came from in Sudan GadziGuru being the Mother of the first Mutapas. As you can see the 'R' is already in full use.
..you just don't know anything about all this..,Bakalanga(Khalangas are the rightful owners of much of Zimbabwe..,only that their side of the story is kept to themselves much..,starting with Njelele in Matombo is one of their shrines..as they had so many..,they are the ones who constructed the Zimbabwe ruins..not Shonas.,there is no such a tribe called 'Karanga".The Kalanga people never migrated ..only they welcomed and accomodated a variety of tribes... ,their civilization and much of their territory was destroyed by the present day borders.When the Shonas arrived..the Khalanga Kingdom welcomed them..they showed to them their shrines and places of cleansing i.e a( Lusvingo). Their territory stretched from parts of Botswana,..northen regions of South Africa ,most of Zim..all the way to Zambezi river where you get Tongas and Nambiyas...,Bulawayo used to be Kame..a very big Khalanga strong hold..,their shrine there is the one in Matombo..,they had many other shrines..big and small since they strongly believed in Mwali..not Mwari..,only the Shonas after being welcomed they started witchcraft in most of those shrines they asigned to keep.King Mzilikazi..and King Tjibundule of the Khalangas never fought or harrased each other since Tjibundule was very wise to convince Mzilikazi that he had powers from the shrines..,for example Tjibundule stabed a rock with his spear...,so please never ever mention Shonas and Karangas...linking them to any of the Holy shrines and Holy land of the Kalangas.,..they migrated from east African states..,every shrine every cave and every ruin there is proudly made by Bakalangas..
You want to Shona lie abt everything in this country, Njelele is Kalanga. We will never forget that it is the 5th brigade which bombed the Njelele when it was unleashing the Gukurahundi genocide, The same Njelele was bombed around 2014 by the same Zanu government, why are you troubling the Njelele, you also went with Bones of Chimoio guerrilas to Njelele, what is yo problem you pple?
Most modern day Kalanga people lack knowledge of their true history & heritage in Zimbabwe. Karanga people were part of the great Munhumutapa Empire & Rozvi / Torwa Empire yet they align their history with Ndebele people who arrived in Zimbabwe roughly 180 years ago 1840. Ndebeles ruled parts of Zimbabwe for roughly 48 to 50 years, yet that the history Kalanga people want to align themselves with. Lol karanga people have a great heritage in Zimbabwe, while Kalangas only exists since 1840 lol
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 in ndebele a word like `ukukhomba` in karanga meaning kunyenga musikana becomes `ukonjwe` meaning you already in a relationship. EMatojeni is a ndebele name for eMatopo
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 in ndebele a word like `ukukhomba` in karanga meaning kunyenga musikana becomes `ukonjwe` meaning you already in a relationship. EMatojeni is a ndebele name for eMatopo
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I'm in my early 40's and I've never had any information about the karanga people up until I started to watch your videos .I appreciate your time and effort to share all this information .were one Africans
The Matobo area belongs to Kalanga people for sure. Therefore stop lying please. The last time I heard, the Kalanga do not have the "r" in their language and DO NOT consider themselves Karanga. The Matobo area NEVER belonged to the Ndebele people who hail from KwaZulu since, obviously, they came from KwaZulu. The Ndebele have never claimed to own Njelele. When they came over they found Mambo being the ruler and they acknowledged that. Now there raids and all that, which is a sore point to the Shona people to this day. We obviously can't change that, and the Shona can't reverse that by suppressing descendants of the Ndebele in the most cowardly way.
The original word was Matombo
You will find that a number of Shona/Karanga/Kalanga places were changed to ndebele names in the same manner with Vic Falls, .Danamombe Ruins in Fort Rixon were renamed to Dlodlo Ruins , so is the NJERERE to Njelele. I also understand that even the spirit mediums or caretakers of the njelele shrine now speak ndebele.
Njelele not Njerere
@@davisonmutsvedu5777 The Vic Falls is a Tonga area, the Tonga have been there since forever, way b4 the Shona.
Having read Chigwedere, he states that while there are no differences between Karanga and Kalanga, the original name was Kalanga. Karanga came from the Portuguese who refered to them as Mocaranga. This has me thinking that 'Njelele' may be the original name. That said, I'm not really fussed with either reference. Just as long as its historical and spiritual significance is not eroded.
The word Ranga is a word to do with discipline Ka is a suffix and Ranga is the word. The Karanga never shook hands like many other tribes like Shangwe Tonga etc and in the extreme instances they would use nature to discipline whoever wronged them Kumuranga so Makaranga ukulaya.
Chigwedere is correct
Chigwedere can not be correct. The karangas do not use R in the dialect. L can never be in the original language of these Vanhu (Bantus) it must be noted that where you find kalangas , their dialect was influenced by Tswanas and Later the ndebeles.
The mabwe adziva, is the original name of the shrines with the hunters being the custodians of the shrines.that can never be njelele. Many names changed like bulilimamagwe, lalapanzi, khami, etc
Please stop lying, name the book, page where Chigwedere states that? No informed historians has ever mentioned the existence of Kalanga people during Mutap & Rozvi Empire. They all talk about KARANGA PEOPLE. The name changes with the arrival of Ndebeles in Zimbabwe areas, because some karanga people quickly assimilated into that Ndebele tribe as AmaHole.
You are very wrong Sir. Njelele is a Kalanga/Venda word. Yes the Karanga/Venda/Kalanga are related. It is not true that the Ndebele changed the shrines names. Shrines like Njelele, Dula etc were found by the Ndebele and they never interfered with them but rather respected them. The custodians of these shrines are descendants of the Venda people of the Lubimbi/Thovhela of the Mbedzi/Wudo clan. Both Kalanga and Venda have the letter "L". Njelele is also a Venda word sometimes written as Nzhelele, both in Zimbabwe and South Africa. The Kalanga/Venda are closely related to the Banyai/Vhanyai. It is not the Ndebele who introduced the letter "L" in Kalanga and Venda.
My question is what was Njelele called before the karanga got there from middle Africa?
nhjelele that's a kalanga
@@stanley3.2.0 OK not karanga
@@Blackmoses2 The Karanga/Kalanga/Venda share the same ancestors. Remember they settled in Mapungubwe in RSA then later moved Northwards to occupy the Great Zimbabwe area. This is like 1500yrs ago. The Vendas still to this day identify with the Monomutapa Kingdom, names of Venda kings then sound more like shona today, the Kalanga kings Tohwechipi, Chirisamhuru all these identify under the standard shona words. We Mzilikazi was a zulu but today ndebele still sounds more like zulu though different . Language change with time with pple you mingle with, with technology. If shona was a tribe it would include almost all the indegenous tribes of Zimbabwe
YiNjelele isebantwini abakhuluma isiKhalanga akusitshiye thina ungasibulaleli ulimi stop it stop it aaah wena
Njelele its a word come from khalanga people not ndebele we kalanga s we don't have R khalanga are related to karanga njelele ndeyedu iswi bakalanga
Stop lying to the people nzhelele /nhjelele was never called njerere, this place was always in custody of Bakalamga not karanga and karanga was not spoken by then as it is break away language from kalanga
What is the difference between Karanga / Kalanga and Ndebele customs ? Nothing except languages. These people shared similar customs so it would be natural for any tribe to be attracted to the same shrine . What difference does it matter if a Ndebele calls it njelele or Karanga calling it njerere. These southern Africans were not as divided as we would like them to be based on our colonial and political mentality. There was no South Africa or Rhodesia . There was just a vast land of people speaking different languages sometimes clashing and at times forging relationship. No one in Zimbabwe can prove that there were no Ngunis around till Shaka came .
There similarities yes and also differences perhaps Shaka is really Not the issue here but the tribal geographical names like Matebeleland and Mashonaland This comes with the corruption of names like Matonjeni which is clearly an attempt to Ndeberise a Karanga word because it is a word with No Ndebele meaning apart from the Karanga word kumatombo which has both meaning and name
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 how is it corruption? A Karanga can call a white person ‘ murungu ‘ , that is their objective description of what they see as Caucasian . A Ndebele will always have an L in their speech and a Karanga an R. Njerere, njelele. Both tribes revere this place as a holy site so there’s more to agree than to fight of the naming.
@@muhammadjerahwenya9262 the ndebeles came from kwazulu after running away from mcane in less than 200 years so how can they name something that was already there. Stop with your nonsense if you don't have facts.
@@h.m.5724 You are actually also talking nonsense and trying too hard to overlook the BaKalanga tribe that existed way before the Ndebele arrived and the VaVenda tribe, specifically the Mbedzi clan, the descendants of Thovhela who are actually the custodians of Njelele. The "L" has been there long before Zwangendaba and Mzilikazi arrived with their people amongst the Kalanga and Venda.
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 Why are you overlooking the VhaVenda and the BaKalanga the custodians of the rain making shrines Njelele, Dula etc? Did they only come to existance recently after the arrival of Zwangendaba and Mzilikazi?
Point of correction my good sir, the original Karanga people was comprised of one Clan which is Mbedzi.
Njelele is one of the largest eagle that preys on wild antelope, Vultures baby birds, baboons etc. It hardly prey on domestic chicken, or it doesn't at all. It is not gondo because gondo in our language is Funguvhu white necked raven. Chapungu/njelele/Luvhimba is one but different names.
Right now you can say Njelele is a place of many people,but it is a known fact that it is Vhambedzi/Luvhimbi/Dzivha place worship for the longest time before invasion of the land Zimbabwe, they are the Coptic vhakalanga.
The idea that the letter 'R' was introduced into Shona language by the Portuguese is foolish colonial propaganda of which many people believe. The 'R' existed in Shona long before contact with the Portuguese. The Shona believed that they migrated from GuRuSwa where their ancestors came from in Sudan GadziGuru being the Mother of the first Mutapas. As you can see the 'R' is already in full use.
..you just don't know anything about all this..,Bakalanga(Khalangas are the rightful owners of much of Zimbabwe..,only that their side of the story is kept to themselves much..,starting with Njelele in Matombo is one of their shrines..as they had so many..,they are the ones who constructed the Zimbabwe ruins..not Shonas.,there is no such a tribe called 'Karanga".The Kalanga people never migrated ..only they welcomed and accomodated a variety of tribes... ,their civilization and much of their territory was destroyed by the present day borders.When the Shonas arrived..the Khalanga Kingdom welcomed them..they showed to them their shrines and places of cleansing i.e a( Lusvingo).
Their territory stretched from parts of Botswana,..northen regions of South Africa ,most of Zim..all the way to Zambezi river where you get Tongas and Nambiyas...,Bulawayo used to be Kame..a very big Khalanga strong hold..,their shrine there is the one in Matombo..,they had many other shrines..big and small since they strongly believed in Mwali..not Mwari..,only the Shonas after being welcomed they started witchcraft in most of those shrines they asigned to keep.King Mzilikazi..and King Tjibundule of the Khalangas never fought or harrased each other since Tjibundule was very wise to convince Mzilikazi that he had powers from the shrines..,for example Tjibundule stabed a rock with his spear...,so please never ever mention Shonas and Karangas...linking them to any of the Holy shrines and Holy land of the Kalangas.,..they migrated from east African states..,every shrine every cave and every ruin there is proudly made by Bakalangas..
You are talking of something you don't know..only trying disrespect the Khalanga Kingdom and their mighty shrines
That is nzhelele/nhjelele that's a kalanga language not katanga.
You want to Shona lie abt everything in this country, Njelele is Kalanga. We will never forget that it is the 5th brigade which bombed the Njelele when it was unleashing the Gukurahundi genocide, The same Njelele was bombed around 2014 by the same Zanu government, why are you troubling the Njelele, you also went with Bones of Chimoio guerrilas to Njelele, what is yo problem you pple?
Most modern day Kalanga people lack knowledge of their true history & heritage in Zimbabwe. Karanga people were part of the great Munhumutapa Empire & Rozvi / Torwa Empire yet they align their history with Ndebele people who arrived in Zimbabwe roughly 180 years ago 1840. Ndebeles ruled parts of Zimbabwe for roughly 48 to 50 years, yet that the history Kalanga people want to align themselves with. Lol karanga people have a great heritage in Zimbabwe, while Kalangas only exists since 1840 lol
@rastendaimacky208 why were the Kalanga being killed by the same Karanga in a genocide if it's the same pple?
Matonjeni comes from Matopo
From but mispronounced from kuMatombo to ema Tonjeni. So THE WORD Matonjeni cannot stand scruitiny because it is niether Karanga/Shona nor Ndebele
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 in ndebele a word like `ukukhomba` in karanga meaning kunyenga musikana becomes `ukonjwe` meaning you already in a relationship. EMatojeni is a ndebele name for eMatopo
@@mukodoborijakafiriri8698 in ndebele a word like `ukukhomba` in karanga meaning kunyenga musikana becomes `ukonjwe` meaning you already in a relationship. EMatojeni is a ndebele name for eMatopo
@@davisonmutsvedu5777 The only problem is that there is NO ndebele word called Matonje so kemele ube naMatonje ungakayi eMatonjeni
Who has been in Njelele? I would like to go there for Consultation
nhjelele that's a kalanga
u are telling lies go and study history and stop lying