One of the things I had to learn is that my team is doing this shit even in plat, not just bronze and silver. As a support, when you know your team is going to int and take 2v3s for an unwinnable grub fight you pretty much have to roam even if it's a better play to give up the objective and play around bot. I've also learned that I need to try as early as possible to figure out who can carry and make plays for them rather than focusing on supporting an unstoppably lost bot lane. Switching from a "best move" mentality to a "best play given my team" mentality has also helped my mental a ton. Big shout out to Coach Cupcake as well for similar teaching in his mentality series
I disagree. Your team mates do dumb shit, dosn't mean you have to join the dumb party to try to fix it. If you play in Iron and you yourself follow the iron plays to "fix" them, you are another iron more doing iron shit with better micro. But the plays are still iron. For my experience, you have to do the right plays no matter what, dosn't matter no one follows, or your team is running it down. If you play like them because they are bad, you become as bad as them. About roamming, you are right. I have leaved botlane even at level1 multiple times after seeing my adc tanking all the incoming second wave and all-in. I just leave him to die not even wasting heal even if i can 100% save him, mute him and leash the jungler all game long doing double ganks without taking any of his xp. And all xp i get is from fixing lanes after ganks, cover dives, etc. Works pretty well in most cases. To me support is all about fight for vision. You always make picks in soloQ because people don't group for fight for vision. Do it in the right time and the right place, ping a lot, and you win even the most unwinnable games.
As a Silver Renekton player, you've sold me on trying more Ignite instead of TP, and given me some much-needed food for thought on how to play mid-game in games like this. Thanks for the video!
The only thing that I would disagree with is that the bad teammates in iron actually hold people back that much. I recently climbed two of my old alt accounts out of iron and silver to learn mid and top lane, and I won nearly every single game with ease even on champs I'm not good with because I could just solo kill my opponents for free every game. It didn't matter how bad my team was when I was turbo fed every game. People stuck in those ranks lack some core game knowledge or mechanics that are holding them back.
Maybe in Iron, but there are too many good players in Bronze and Silver and many champs can't just roam around and solo kill like this Renekton can. When I see accounts that climbed quickly out of Bronze they typically did it on a win streak which led to rapid LP gains. If you are "only" winning 2 out of 3 games it takes much longer. Assassins like Nocturne and Evelynn can rack up 15+ kills but still can't force a win because they need to be the one ambushing, they can't solo push because if they get ambushed they die, they need a halfway functional team.
@@crispyquesadilla I have questions about your understanding about the game when you classify Nocturne as an assassin carry that takes kills, and Evelynn as someone that can't solo carry games.
@@anyone6830 Evelyn can only kill one at a time, so if the enemy groups and pushes, and the rest of your team feeds them what are you going to do? She relies on her team to push, so she works better at higher ELO.
@@crispyquesadilla In lower elo, I hope you also noticed the tendency of players being dumb shts and walk in lane farm alone. Eve with good farm and standard kp can no problem kill any none-tank walking alone mid game without using R. Even if you get low after kill, you heal of passive and just do it again before the death timer of the first person completes. And I love how you only attempts at my point on Evelyn, and ignore nocturne, cus u know ur wrong.
@@crispyquesadilla You are so wrong. Anything below diamond is free lp. You don't even need to play well to win just do the right play half the time and its over. Your teammates aren't holding you back you are.
Second thing to consider in that Caitlyn keystone example is that Ashe is really an all-in kind of support. Taking lethal tempo with an Ashe support just makes sense regardless of your ELO.
no it doesnt, higher elo ashe want to take hail of blades as thats the lane dominant rune, you poke and reset then continue. if you run lethal tempo in lane against higher elo enemy bot lane especially ones that can engage on you then disengage, you're not gonna be able to use lethal tempo effectively. Also lethal tempo on late game ashe is also not that great consider ashe is super immobile so if if she doesnt have the gold income as she would queued up as an adc then shes not gonna be doing much damage even with lethal.
The same thing is true for fighting games. If you try to fight bottom level players the same way you do mid or high level ones, you'll end up taking a lot of damage or even losing because you're trying to do the "right" thing when your opponent is making decisions with no real rhyme or reason. It's one reason why players who are just learning how to play properly tend to have way more problem with so-called "scrubs" VS people around their own level.
Im sorry to tell you mr challenger coach but no Diamond player would ever be stuck in current platinum, let alone IRON. Stop feeding your viewers COPIUM just to look and and grab a few subs here and there.
Also btw taking strong early game champs in low elo is definitely not a good choice when you are not a smurf or have a challenger coach in your discord call. The average bronze player is simply not good enough to convert this early game advantage even when you get fed and your team is most of the time to dumb to finish the game quick. I would even say late game champs are much better in low elo, because the games tend to go much longer and you can also see this at the winrates in low elo, that late game champs are the better choice.
Iron no way but a low dia player could stuck in Em or High plat for a long time especially with weak mental, High dia (d2+) max in high em 2-1 but doubt tbh
Man, ELO hell exists...IF you get almost no points when you win and loose a lot when you get defeated and you constantly have teams that feed hyper carrys on the other side, try to explain logically how should one climb. I have seen a lot of player do that fresh acc thing and get do diamond+ with ease. It is just not the same game, as you can all see in the video. Why are people crying so much about it on this comment section? BTW high value video with a different approach here, nicely done Rogue.
Yep, this. ELO hell is completely fake, UNLESS your gains and losses force an absurd winrate in order for you to climb. It happened to me last season where I promoted to emerald and instantly went on a pretty big loss streak, but was prevented from demotion. After the loss streak I was getting +17, -27 or something absurd like that. I had to then go on an 80% wr streak over 40+ games to Emerald 2, AND THEN demote all the way back to emerald 4 with a 50% wr before my mmr finally corrected itself - all due to one loss streak at Emerald 4 0lp. This has been an issue for a long time, but it seems riot is finally taking steps to address it by decreasing demotion protection and lowering your lp by a further 25 when you get demoted. My problem with the video intro is that he doesn't qualify his statement at all. He just says "your teammates are holding you back", which is not only completely wrong, but also MEGA toxic to the community, AND has almost nothing to do with the rest of the video which is only about low-elo habits. Yes, under the old ranked systems, if your mmr is fucked but you're significantly improving as a player, you will do much better starting on a fresh account. But he needs to explain that, rather than enforcing the delusions of low-elo players that they're better than they really are.
Define seen a lot of players. Diamond is like top 4 percent maybe even less. I don't buy all of these hidden diamond players getting stuck in iron and bronze. The best argument this video makes is for climbing out of low ranks more optimally but no diamond player is getting stuck in iron. That's a fantasy low elo players tell themselves and I'm not sure why this guy is reinforcing this delusion other than sensationalism.
@@JoyfulSeal-sh9cw It's because he wants to ingratiate himself to the low elo community. It's profitable for him to propagate misinformation if it gets him more clicks views and subscribers.
There isn't an elo hell ppl just don't know how to win in their elo. I watch enough streamers to know they stomp low elo. And if I even drop below plat I win almost every game
I’ve played Apex for years at a high level (I’m only a few months into league) so I’ve thought about the title but for Apex a lot, because you absolutely change how you play based on Elo in Apex. Very interesting!!
Can agree. I play Taric and when I'm climbing back up people simply refuse to realize that his level 4 is just a massive power spike. Lots of lanes they can just bully him until then and they are always surprised by the reversal. Then you can convert that xp lead into a level 6 double and snowball the adc from there.
The video is interesting, but I disagree when you say that you don't play the same at your elo and when you play at low elo (ie smurf). Your fundamentals DO NOT CHANGE. Its only that you can punish more mistakes, and snowball earlier. So indeed you play the same ; only the context is different. Also a player stuck in Iron / Bronze that climbs to Diamond IS NOT a diamond player stuck in Iron / Bronze. It's a Iron / Bronze player that had a declic and learned and hone his fundamentals, rank after rank, that finally achieve Diamond. (Small rant 0:11: The iron player that created a new account and started in gold ; its actually difficult to derank to Iron, so its not suprising he starts above. Moreover, if you coached him, (ie he/she progresses, hones his fundamentals, etc, its only natural that the student climbs. Moreover, on the graph at 0:14, we can clearly see that the student was barely playing before June 2023. Once the student started really playing regularly, he / she started climbing. While he / she might have been under coaching, you people need to remember that with a 51%, you'll climb out of every elo, eventually. So play better and play more. Stop looking for external excuses and poor everything towards improving yourself. The best way to climb is to improve. Or buy a challenger account kappa) Remember players you DON'T NEED coaching to improve. There's everything on the internet. What coaching offers is faster results, the feeling of being monitored and carefully advised. TLDR : elo hell doesn't exist. Players are just bad and don't play enough to climb
when I play in low elo I sometimes know that I should fix a side wave and that I would bleed if I don't but I see my teammates posturing in mid and I know they'll int engage even if I tell them not to so I can't fix it and pressure the side, at least without tp, so I think this is an example of how it might be better to change fundamentals, with that being said if you play a lot of games and fix those waves it might workout well more often than not so it might be more of a short term solution or a way of adapting even when you know it's something you shouldn't do.
I was a Gold player a few seasons ago. Now I intentionally got placed in Iron 4, to see if the "elo hell" really exists, or not. Guess what, it EXISTS. I can play flawlessly, but every single game is a coin flip. I can make perfect ganks, but Iron players are the ones that manage to die even in a 3vs2. I don't play 50 games per week, so I can guarantee you that if you end up in Iron, you have 2 options: play more (and I mean, A LOT MORE) and hope to get decent team mates, or make another account and do a better placement. Iron is HELL. Saying elo hell does not exist is bullshit, we don't have 4 hours a day to climb in a useless videogame like all the "pros".
When I made a new account I climbed very quickly to gold. But then I got so accustomed to playing like a noob that when I was finally matched up against plat enemies I was making basic mistakes. It's essential you change your playstyle in each ELO.
Got auto-filled to adc as a jungle Kayn onetrick today, thanks to your advice I've won my laning phase ultilizing minion wave and spacing against Alistar
In gold and plat? That just means you were supremely better than your opponents. At that rank, people are more than capable of snowballing out of control. That might work in Bronze, maybe in low Silver, but certainly not possible in Gold and higher.
Yep agreed. Kinda contrary to what is said in the video, I feel like scaling late game champs are really strong in low Elo, simply because the games always stretch and the end game fights are the ones that matter the most.
Something else to compare is vs AI in similar games. I cannot win in the training bot games for HotS. I will carry like mad, get tons of xp, and still lose. But I can also get MvP in some normals. When I asked a friend about why this was, he informed me that the AI just doesn't understand what I'm doing if I am outperforming their programming. Not to compare noobs to bots, but I think way too many low level players think the game is played in a manner that just isn't the reality of the game. They don't understand backdooring, resource management macro. and many other concepts that their friends don't teach them, and streamers don't really talk about. Double jungle, lane swapping, these concepts confuse many players that have just been playing "their version" of LoL for way too long, or are brand new, and they just ping spam, and flame in all chat instead of adjusting their strategy.
A great video, which talks about the main reason why I stopped playing League more and more. I used to be Diamond thanks to better macro than my team mates and overall game knowledge. That is what I loved in League. With how the game evolved and how fighting all the time has become more and more prevalent, I lost most of my interest. The simple fact that one's gotta abuse on others being stupid (which is not fun) and not play League right (which is real fun) is baffling.
I loved the video! Would you mind making a similar one for jungle. Im currently struggling to make the climb from Diamond to Masters as a Jungle player
You should also remember that a lot of people don't deserve to be in lower ranks and they are extremely competitive people, who would like to climb up but SoloQ is not as serious as it was before, and the overall game knowledge of the playerbase is crawling on the floor. Everyone knows how everything works, supposedly, but they all see their own version of the game. Junglers get angry at bot lane because they didn't contest, bot lane gets angry at jungler because there is a huge wave they need to catch and they are expected to contest. Jungler gets angry at top lane because they didn't show up for grubs, top lane gets angry at jungler because they don't have priority, they pinged the jungler to go back but jungler didn't listen. Mid lane gets angry at jungler for not ganking / not counter ganking, jungler gets angry at mid laner because the enemy jungler got cs lead thanks to a mistake of top lane and they are expected to gank. It all goes on and on like this. What they don't know is that they are trying to micro manage their own gameplay without thinking what's going on around them. They all think they are the main characters and they should get the kills and the farms and the pushes and everything. They don't realize they are not playing against a Korean pro team. With all these individiual selfish mistakes, they are letting the enemy team build up tempo. The top laner who is obsessed with farm, loses 2 towers in 10 seconds. Mid laner gets dived by enemy support and loses tower, jungler doesn't know where to help and gets invaded when trying to rotate bot lane and bot tower is gone too, as well as drake etc. and suddenly the game is over. What players don't realize is that meanwhile they are trying to play like pros, the enemy doesn't. What that means is, if the enemy team is playing really aggressive, you should answer. In SoloQ there are a lot of early kills especially in low elo. Pro players sit still and farm most of the time, because they know their opponent is tough and risky moves are actually risky so it's better to try to get lead by farms and decide the game on team fights and around objectives. Any kill, is a massive lead on pro scene. Now, in SoloQ where there is a lot of mindless chaotic play, you should go look for kills even if your team is crying for 15 ff. The game doesn't end until Nexus is gone and during a siege, is when things actually start to shape for the losing team. If their attempts at breaching the base is not successful, that means there is a good chance to win the game unless the enemy team re-organizes and switches to try hard mode. During siege, every kill your team can get allows to close the gap. You might have to give baron and a couple drakes. But as long as Nexus holds, you have a chance. Though sometimes, you will just lose maybe due to your team comp, or your team literally being stupid. But in SoloQ, even losing an inhibitor before 15, is an advantage to you because you can just sit there and farm, and if the enemy team doesn't know how to actually finish the game, that is going to be a huge mistake for them.
TLDR; In lower elos you should evaluate the game and the tempo and start looking for aggressive plays and kills. You should stop doing what you are doing even if it means your opponent is taking plates or crashing waves on your tower. Your jungler not going mental, your mid laner feeling important when your support ganks, your top laner feeling they have a team they can rely on when you show up to defend their tower or help them push... These are more important than getting some minion waves. Sometimes you need to steal the kills and bait your teammates, if they don't know how to protect you or how to take position. Sometimes you need to ping and type stuff in chat. Sometimes you need to apologize, even if it wasn't your fault. Sometimes you need to change your build to snowball, sometimes you need to leave the lane because your support is an absolute bot. Sometimes you need to remember that no matter how good the enemy team plays in early game, maybe they just don't know what to do when they are presented with a push back. Imagine all the games you have lost incredibly stupidly, even though your team had a huge lead. We ofthen forgot about those games because we essentially put ourselves back together and won as a team. But we remember all the loses and the stupid teammates... Most of them being early game.
Just a question: I agree that lower elos are more likely to get killed in early games then playing early game champ should give me advantage, but I mean lower elo equals harder time finishing games also, so if it postpones a lot a might be also bad. What tip do you give to finish games faster?
I don't agree with the early champs and early runnes approach. You can perfectly play Kassadin with fleet and 1vs9 all low elo games without losing a single one until diamond+. I have tryied both approachs in smurfs and late game champions that can 1vs9 in teamfights are the best approach. That dosn't mean that you can't pick Riven and drop 50 kills in silver and destroy the game. But there will be some games that you are 20/0 and you lose with those early game champs just for comps. For example Riven against Nautilus, Ammumu, Jinx, Katarina, Seraphine. You can perfectly lose the game in a fight because your team mates int with 0 vision, give Katarina and Jinx free reset before even the fight start and all your team get cleaned in 2 seconds and you are legit 1vs5 againstva Jinx with lethal thempo and pasive full stacked a Nautilus with all cds, Ammumu with Q, Seraphine with ulti... To me, i get better results with hyperlate game champions like Kassadin, because you can still stomp early game with them because people dosn't know how to manage waves, trade, punish you, etc. Also there are examples of people climbing with Kassadin to Master with almost 100% winrate. I also don't agree that you have to "adapt" to play in low elo. Ofc there are low elo cheese strats to destroy the games that are more efficient to climb than a regular playstyle. But those strats stop working after a while. For example, you can play Morgana mid with barrier and rushing Stopwatch to get from iron4 to gold very fast losing trades and playing like shit on purpouse to fake you are bad and make enemies dive you and you use barrier Q under tower and you get a kill. And same in midgame when low elos are playing Aram and dive you with Stopwatch. But that works only because players in those elos don't track summoners, press tab to check for Stopwatch on Morgana, etc. Or Play Lee Top with Electrocute and get first blood 90% of games at level 1 with flash Q after a long trade. But doing those strats you don't learn the game, you just climb. And when you reach diamond+ you have no idea how to play the game. I think is way better to learn the game properly, with the right build, learn the combos, learn spacing, learn cooldowns, learn matchups, learn how to flank, how to manage waves, how to possition properly, tracking skills in fights, learn to cross map and play ahead, learn tempo, play for vision, adapt builds, learn how to get carried, build spikes, lvl spikes, matchup spikes, indetify win conditions and adapt your playstyle to them, identify lose conditions, how to draft, good blind picks, counters, etc. There are hundreds of things that you don't learn as a low elo player adapting your gameplay to the elo you are at. That dosn't work in the long run unless you already know how to play properly, or you are an elo booster that you only care about getting accounts to master.
I know what you mean about keystones like in low elo i take pta on aphelios whenever I can and in diamond (top of low elo xD) I take more nuanced runes to eek out small advantages. I loved your tempo lines video from earlier but maybe this video should have a disclaimer saying don't do this if your adc, the role is too gold reliant to drop free sidewaves and when you move to the fights that you forsee coming, your low elo team isn't going to peel for you anyway. I understand that sometimes your team flips a fight and you have no choice but to participate but you should hold off on that fight unless you believe it to be game defining or ending, where in low elo i find you can just carry teamfights later because your better with 4 items then the enemy team is with 5. At least that's how I view this tactic as an adc player.
Its so easy to win games in bronze if you are good, A true diamond player on a bronze account could easily have a 60%+ winrate. And you only have to climb out of bronze once, your elo doesn't really reset between seasons.
My playstyle Low elo - Garen or a splitpusher so I can play extremely selfishly and take down the enemy base even if my teammates die. High elo - Galio or teamfight heavy champions because people are worth trying to play with here Going support or a champ like Galio mid is not as good in low elo, and splitpushers aren't as good in high where people actually defend their base
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!! i peaked in platinum 1, 2 years ago (basically diamond 4. I lost my last game to rank up to diamond.) since then i have not been able to break silver!!! It’s disgusting man. I win my lane or destroy the enemy jungler probably 80% of the time, but there’s always that one teammate the ints to the hyper carry then gets mad and throws. Elo hell is REAL!
Issue is when the enemy has the super fed laner. Like an adc , and your teams keeps dying for fun l. And their top laner is split pushing the whole game and u gotta contest and they complain cause u don’t group lol with a yorixkntop melting turrets
I keep meaning to play but have not actually got into a game in 2 or 3 years. I was pretty great Season 1-3 but the game is so toxic now it's not fun. I may just start playing games again and mute the entire player base from the load screen.
I have like 350 games this season already (I am a bronze 1). To STAY in bronze 1 and not fall to bronze 2 i need a crazy winrate. Each win is 16-21 LP and each loss is 30-36 LP. Each time i loose as much as 36 LP it’s grinding my gears. I didn’t count it exactly, but my winrate is probably like 65-70%…? Something like that.
@@CoachRogue the thing is the proxy and roam isn't really possible on bot lane cause you need jngl to be able to proxy and that doesn't really happen much in low elo if you do you have any advice would be nice especially cause it's very hard to play side lane during mid-late game as adc unless you're trist
he didnt say to proxy he said to zone off your oponent from the lane and keep farming, and if they come fight you then they die, proxying is just a way to do it
I watch Tyler1 streams all the time so I definitely know how to be a challenger adc, but due to my unlucky placements I got placed in silver and my support is always holding me back. Enemy understands that I'm draven that's why they constantly ganking my lane and because I have a silver support I don't even play the lane 2v2.
this kinda piss me off, i main jungler each time my ohter lanes get behind they ping me saying you never ganked me then i gank them and we both died, then they flame me for inting like fr man tf
I don’t understand how to climb I’ve been playing for a year now and I am going no where My friends just tell me to farm and which is important but will not help me get out of a lower elo I don’t know how to keep a lead I don’t know how to come back I don’t know if I’m in the best role I’ve tried them all and now I’m at a point to where I’m stuck and am ready to rip my hair out lol League can be toxic as hell And a lot of people get tilted real fast My self included at times I mainly play mid as assassins My first ever champ I played was Akali who is a hard difficulty champ But I wanted that because she was the first I fell in love with playing now it’s Qyiana I got Akalis mechanics down and now I dabbled with other assassins I’ve tried adc top support And jungle and I do okay but I still get stuck at the same spot and I’m not kidding when I say I’m a 0lp in iron 4 my Mmr is probably trash when I get a chance to move up a tier I get someone who leaves after remake is available or the other team is winning 12 -2 in kills I need help I want to climb I love this game because this is the hardest game I’ve ever played and want the chance to play with a team who actually plays how it’s supposed to be played If I join your course can I strictly work with you and you only lmk thanks
@@BecomeScratch alot of people get stuck in iron in their first year. Especially assassins because they encourage some bad habits like dying alot. But just use your brain and dont autopilot
by the way guys, your shitty mmr is not proof that ELO hell exists. That is what is supposed to happen, if youre getting double lp a loss than a win the system has literally decided you are a lower tier player, and is trying to place you there. The opposite, on a high wr, is getting placed with weaker teammates as your MMR is higher than the average for your rank and all MMR has to be somewhat equal for between both teams. if you're on lower than average mmr (high lp loss, low lp gain) and still losing, you are legit losing with a handicap. the system is treating you like you are a division or two below your rank (because of your mmr) and you still lose. yes, you should rank down, your MMR is your skill rating, and it is far below your rank if this is the case you are seeing. Sometimes a new account can help man, but it sounds like yall are just inflated. Coach rogue has some decent advice here for yall to rank up, and un-inflate your rank
Yeah. well there are some people who consume a lot of VOD review content and professional tournament analysis even. So to these people, decent macro after baron spawns, comes sort of naturally. Or you know, at least they instinctively feel that ARAMing down mid is an awful idea. Which is it almost always is. But if you are incredibly fed, and your team is already maybe 2-3 man pushing mid and dancing with a couple enemies there? Definitely join them in very low elo, as the enemies likely will all in them with all their abilities, allowing you to kill them all somewhat easily.
there's low elo and ther's low elo. One is caster minions playing champs, the other is smurfs, inters, toxicity, ex mid elo players and everything else
The opening of this video is pretty bizarre and disingenuous... It's implying that the iron student was actually playing at a diamond level the entire time, but was trapped by teammates in the lowest elo bracket that exists, and yet somehow evaded this completely on a fresh account and soared to borderline high-elo by applying a couple tricks to exploit low elo habits? I'm sorry but that's just complete bogus, and it's destructive to the community to feed into their delusions that their team is holding them hostage. Shame on you Rogue. You make great content usually, but this is just irresponsible. While that player who made an insane climb to Diamond from Iron is no-doubt an amazing case study I would love to see an analysis of, and a testament to the benefits of your coaching, let's be real. That is a pretty damn rare case, and the takeaway from it should never be that "elo hell is real, and you're actually way better than your visible rank" - Identifying things you can do to exploit low-elo habits: GREAT! No issue with that. - Condoning the toxic tendency players to deflect their own gameplay issues, reinforcing the disgusting ff@15 culture that's already rampant in the game: fucking terrible and you should probably think a little harder about the impact of such a message on impressionable players.
Btw elo hell does exist, u can possibly climb only if you are smurfing , basically if u play in gold u gotta play at least at plat-emerald level if u wanna climb, players do make mistakes that's true but you can see that clearly because you are challenger bro xd
thats bs. Just with good movement alone you will climb out of 'elo hell' even if it's 'just' 60% wr. If that student went bronze to dia he simply improved, good for him.
I guess I need to stop playing ziggs and bring out my talon/ekko again. It's so nice improving at this game and seeing my improvement bare fruit, but man... Emerald League is not League. I wanna climb to high diamond and see if I can perform there. Not in this random scramble where 1/10 games is a normal game that looks semi-correct
The exact same thing happened to me; was stuck in Iron 3-4 for 3 years, made a new account and have been steadily holding onto gold 3 for about 4 months since creating a new account
Sorry coach Rogue, but already in the first minute i realized you made this video to please low elo players and make them feel good about themselves. Remember the bronze player that bought a challenger account to just be back in bronze within 50 games? How about we just focus on improving fundamentals and understanding of the game instead of this humbug.
Yeah this is true for me, for 3 seasons, I was stuck in Bronze for Valorant, Iron-Brone 3 on League, after enough is enough, I bought 3 accounts for both Val and League fresh on the internet and oh my god, I hit Immo on Valorant after 2 weeks of buying those 2 account and I’m Gold 4 on leavue with 57% WR ona fresh account. Now 1 year laters, I have consistently hit Immo+ on all my bought account for Valorant, 1 diamond and all gold account on League (i don’t play league much) but both my main (with skins and all on both games) highest I hit is Gold 4 on Val and just got to Silver 4 on my main…I’m genuinely believe Riot hate it when you spend money on them 🤣🤣
Heard the first 30 sec and stopped the video immediately. There is no way someone is stack in iron and then starts a new account and goes to diamond. I am a low master player and i guarantee you even the worst d4 player goes 20-0 in almost every iron game and wins. This content is garbage. Take some responsibility folks
*stuck in iron and climb all the way to diamond* yea no, stop gaslighting ppl into thinking others are holding them back, thats like the worst thing u can even tell someone *yea u will be there and theres nothing u can do about it to change* xDD its easier to accept the fact that they themself suck and teach how to win those games rather than saying stuff like that, u just do that to get their attention from their delsuional point of view.
Im callin CAP. No chance there are hardstuck iron players the made it to Diamond with a good winrate off of a gold account. This sounds like false marketing to me.
@@magnetowurst507 no yea I get that but I’ve been on a 5 win streak just to lose cause my whole team was trash. I just recently made a new account and the difference is noticeable. I think it’s the thing with leaving matches and smack talking I think they call it losers queue, when I first started I didn’t really understand the commitment to the match your in I was the type of kid growing up where idc about the game if I need pee or something I’m out😂 so making a fresh account and just being a good player with experience helped me out a lot currently gold 3 but I used to be hard stuck bronze and iron player
i can tell you it's true. why? i am diamond and i have a smurf in bronze to play with a friend which is iron and although i carry most of the times, sometimes it's impossible to lose. not talking about the fact that people troll pick (jhin toplane, vayne jungle, yuumi jungle). yes, i had a yuumi jungle in my games. they run it down. i think this is mostly smurfs that wanna do crazy stuff for fun, but they're ruining other people's games. my friend is iron because he has negative mmr but i think he deserves silver. also, a lot of opponents i face are pretty good and they aren't smurf, they're iron stuck.
i can tell you it's true. why? i am diamond and i have a smurf in bronze to play with a friend which is iron and although i carry most of the times, sometimes it's impossible to win. not talking about the fact that people troll pick (jhin toplane, vayne jungle, yuumi jungle). yes, i had a yuumi jungle in my games. they run it down. i think this is mostly smurfs that wanna do crazy stuff for fun, but they're ruining other people's games. my friend is iron because he has negative mmr but i think he deserves silver. also, a lot of opponents i face are pretty good and they aren't smurf, they're iron stuck.
You can just play normal league of legends and climb out of iron a year ago or 2 can’t remember I was an absolute creature in the rift and I just played one champ learn the champ played Normal league and climb with a 70% win rate from iron because those players suck and are absolute horrible no flame. Once you accept that as I did you will improve or you can lie to yourself and say your held back by your teammate when the opponent are literally plying with their monitor off. I’m not high elo any iron hardstuck player wanna test it just comment hear I add you and discard and let em play on your account I will be out in a day or 2
As a master player, recently boosting an acc from gold to emerald (giga low elo) i can say with certainty that elo hell does not exist. I managed to win 27 out of 30 games as an adc. There are very few games that are actually unwinnable. And ofc every player is in the elo he deserves, its only your fault if you are stuck in plat/emerald
Ur going in with knowledge on how to play late if you some how lose lane and if ur other laners are losing, a lot of people will run it down or fight and ignore what they need to do be it set up for baron dragon turtle and farm etc im not saying that’s ALL games but a good chunk, people will rage split and it’s hard to win a TEAM game when ur team wants to FF early or not play it out
I always find these videos to be so stupid abuse these mistakes to win games. yeha i do that get liek 4 kills ahead of my laner and zone them from cs. 10m in enermy bot laner is 10/2... and 2 shots me.
You literally pandering to your audience to make sales. There is no diamond player unironically stuck in low elo LOL. So you're telling me there was a player STUCK in bronze, restarted account and got diamond. That's some major bullshit
“Now that our team is dead they present us with a great opportunity because they can’t die again”
Is hilarious man almost burst out laughing
Team: "Challenge accepted."
One of the things I had to learn is that my team is doing this shit even in plat, not just bronze and silver. As a support, when you know your team is going to int and take 2v3s for an unwinnable grub fight you pretty much have to roam even if it's a better play to give up the objective and play around bot.
I've also learned that I need to try as early as possible to figure out who can carry and make plays for them rather than focusing on supporting an unstoppably lost bot lane.
Switching from a "best move" mentality to a "best play given my team" mentality has also helped my mental a ton. Big shout out to Coach Cupcake as well for similar teaching in his mentality series
as a fellow support i relate to all of this
but i still cant get out of silver (:
I disagree. Your team mates do dumb shit, dosn't mean you have to join the dumb party to try to fix it.
If you play in Iron and you yourself follow the iron plays to "fix" them, you are another iron more doing iron shit with better micro. But the plays are still iron.
For my experience, you have to do the right plays no matter what, dosn't matter no one follows, or your team is running it down. If you play like them because they are bad, you become as bad as them.
About roamming, you are right. I have leaved botlane even at level1 multiple times after seeing my adc tanking all the incoming second wave and all-in. I just leave him to die not even wasting heal even if i can 100% save him, mute him and leash the jungler all game long doing double ganks without taking any of his xp. And all xp i get is from fixing lanes after ganks, cover dives, etc. Works pretty well in most cases.
To me support is all about fight for vision. You always make picks in soloQ because people don't group for fight for vision. Do it in the right time and the right place, ping a lot, and you win even the most unwinnable games.
Currently platinum is the old gold
Same in challenger as well
plat is just shiny silver
As a Silver Renekton player, you've sold me on trying more Ignite instead of TP, and given me some much-needed food for thought on how to play mid-game in games like this. Thanks for the video!
You don't always need to take ignite, but I would default to it
Good luck buddy
The only thing that I would disagree with is that the bad teammates in iron actually hold people back that much. I recently climbed two of my old alt accounts out of iron and silver to learn mid and top lane, and I won nearly every single game with ease even on champs I'm not good with because I could just solo kill my opponents for free every game. It didn't matter how bad my team was when I was turbo fed every game.
People stuck in those ranks lack some core game knowledge or mechanics that are holding them back.
Maybe in Iron, but there are too many good players in Bronze and Silver and many champs can't just roam around and solo kill like this Renekton can. When I see accounts that climbed quickly out of Bronze they typically did it on a win streak which led to rapid LP gains. If you are "only" winning 2 out of 3 games it takes much longer. Assassins like Nocturne and Evelynn can rack up 15+ kills but still can't force a win because they need to be the one ambushing, they can't solo push because if they get ambushed they die, they need a halfway functional team.
@@crispyquesadilla I have questions about your understanding about the game when you classify Nocturne as an assassin carry that takes kills, and Evelynn as someone that can't solo carry games.
@@anyone6830 Evelyn can only kill one at a time, so if the enemy groups and pushes, and the rest of your team feeds them what are you going to do? She relies on her team to push, so she works better at higher ELO.
@@crispyquesadilla In lower elo, I hope you also noticed the tendency of players being dumb shts and walk in lane farm alone. Eve with good farm and standard kp can no problem kill any none-tank walking alone mid game without using R. Even if you get low after kill, you heal of passive and just do it again before the death timer of the first person completes. And I love how you only attempts at my point on Evelyn, and ignore nocturne, cus u know ur wrong.
@@crispyquesadilla You are so wrong. Anything below diamond is free lp. You don't even need to play well to win just do the right play half the time and its over. Your teammates aren't holding you back you are.
Second thing to consider in that Caitlyn keystone example is that Ashe is really an all-in kind of support. Taking lethal tempo with an Ashe support just makes sense regardless of your ELO.
no it doesnt, higher elo ashe want to take hail of blades as thats the lane dominant rune, you poke and reset then continue. if you run lethal tempo in lane against higher elo enemy bot lane especially ones that can engage on you then disengage, you're not gonna be able to use lethal tempo effectively. Also lethal tempo on late game ashe is also not that great consider ashe is super immobile so if if she doesnt have the gold income as she would queued up as an adc then shes not gonna be doing much damage even with lethal.
@@ericchun5576you take lethal tempo on Cait, obviously not on Ashe.
"taking lethal tempo *with* an ashe support"
@@ericchun5576
The same thing is true for fighting games. If you try to fight bottom level players the same way you do mid or high level ones, you'll end up taking a lot of damage or even losing because you're trying to do the "right" thing when your opponent is making decisions with no real rhyme or reason. It's one reason why players who are just learning how to play properly tend to have way more problem with so-called "scrubs" VS people around their own level.
Dropping some solid instruction, thank you so much! You explain things more clearly than anyone else I've come across
THE BEST LOW ELO COACH ON TH-cam talking real facts that really apply to real low ELO games. Unlike some people "cough cough skillcapped".
Im sorry to tell you mr challenger coach but no Diamond player would ever be stuck in current platinum, let alone IRON.
Stop feeding your viewers COPIUM just to look and and grab a few subs here and there.
Yup, literally just stopped the video there
Also btw taking strong early game champs in low elo is definitely not a good choice when you are not a smurf or have a challenger coach in your discord call. The average bronze player is simply not good enough to convert this early game advantage even when you get fed and your team is most of the time to dumb to finish the game quick. I would even say late game champs are much better in low elo, because the games tend to go much longer and you can also see this at the winrates in low elo, that late game champs are the better choice.
Iron no way but a low dia player could stuck in Em or High plat for a long time especially with weak mental, High dia (d2+) max in high em 2-1 but doubt tbh
Man, ELO hell exists...IF you get almost no points when you win and loose a lot when you get defeated and you constantly have teams that feed hyper carrys on the other side, try to explain logically how should one climb. I have seen a lot of player do that fresh acc thing and get do diamond+ with ease. It is just not the same game, as you can all see in the video. Why are people crying so much about it on this comment section? BTW high value video with a different approach here, nicely done Rogue.
Yep, this. ELO hell is completely fake, UNLESS your gains and losses force an absurd winrate in order for you to climb. It happened to me last season where I promoted to emerald and instantly went on a pretty big loss streak, but was prevented from demotion. After the loss streak I was getting +17, -27 or something absurd like that. I had to then go on an 80% wr streak over 40+ games to Emerald 2, AND THEN demote all the way back to emerald 4 with a 50% wr before my mmr finally corrected itself - all due to one loss streak at Emerald 4 0lp. This has been an issue for a long time, but it seems riot is finally taking steps to address it by decreasing demotion protection and lowering your lp by a further 25 when you get demoted.
My problem with the video intro is that he doesn't qualify his statement at all. He just says "your teammates are holding you back", which is not only completely wrong, but also MEGA toxic to the community, AND has almost nothing to do with the rest of the video which is only about low-elo habits. Yes, under the old ranked systems, if your mmr is fucked but you're significantly improving as a player, you will do much better starting on a fresh account. But he needs to explain that, rather than enforcing the delusions of low-elo players that they're better than they really are.
If u can play in diamond you are able to get 30+ kills every game below plat I have tested bro it’s not hard
Define seen a lot of players. Diamond is like top 4 percent maybe even less. I don't buy all of these hidden diamond players getting stuck in iron and bronze. The best argument this video makes is for climbing out of low ranks more optimally but no diamond player is getting stuck in iron. That's a fantasy low elo players tell themselves and I'm not sure why this guy is reinforcing this delusion other than sensationalism.
@@JoyfulSeal-sh9cw It's because he wants to ingratiate himself to the low elo community. It's profitable for him to propagate misinformation if it gets him more clicks views and subscribers.
There isn't an elo hell ppl just don't know how to win in their elo. I watch enough streamers to know they stomp low elo. And if I even drop below plat I win almost every game
You are the high level concepts channel I've been looking for! Subscribed
I’ve played Apex for years at a high level (I’m only a few months into league) so I’ve thought about the title but for Apex a lot, because you absolutely change how you play based on Elo in Apex. Very interesting!!
Can agree. I play Taric and when I'm climbing back up people simply refuse to realize that his level 4 is just a massive power spike. Lots of lanes they can just bully him until then and they are always surprised by the reversal. Then you can convert that xp lead into a level 6 double and snowball the adc from there.
Needed a video like this, thanks legend
8:33 "At least the enemy is going to learn from their lesson." Ha.
The video is interesting, but I disagree when you say that you don't play the same at your elo and when you play at low elo (ie smurf). Your fundamentals DO NOT CHANGE. Its only that you can punish more mistakes, and snowball earlier. So indeed you play the same ; only the context is different.
Also a player stuck in Iron / Bronze that climbs to Diamond IS NOT a diamond player stuck in Iron / Bronze. It's a Iron / Bronze player that had a declic and learned and hone his fundamentals, rank after rank, that finally achieve Diamond.
(Small rant 0:11:
The iron player that created a new account and started in gold ; its actually difficult to derank to Iron, so its not suprising he starts above. Moreover, if you coached him, (ie he/she progresses, hones his fundamentals, etc, its only natural that the student climbs. Moreover, on the graph at 0:14, we can clearly see that the student was barely playing before June 2023. Once the student started really playing regularly, he / she started climbing. While he / she might have been under coaching, you people need to remember that with a 51%, you'll climb out of every elo, eventually.
So play better and play more. Stop looking for external excuses and poor everything towards improving yourself. The best way to climb is to improve. Or buy a challenger account kappa)
Remember players you DON'T NEED coaching to improve. There's everything on the internet. What coaching offers is faster results, the feeling of being monitored and carefully advised.
TLDR : elo hell doesn't exist. Players are just bad and don't play enough to climb
when I play in low elo I sometimes know that I should fix a side wave and that I would bleed if I don't but I see my teammates posturing in mid and I know they'll int engage even if I tell them not to so I can't fix it and pressure the side, at least without tp, so I think this is an example of how it might be better to change fundamentals, with that being said if you play a lot of games and fix those waves it might workout well more often than not so it might be more of a short term solution or a way of adapting even when you know it's something you shouldn't do.
I was a Gold player a few seasons ago.
Now I intentionally got placed in Iron 4, to see if the "elo hell" really exists, or not.
Guess what, it EXISTS. I can play flawlessly, but every single game is a coin flip. I can make perfect ganks, but Iron players are the ones that manage to die even in a 3vs2. I don't play 50 games per week, so I can guarantee you that if you end up in Iron, you have 2 options: play more (and I mean, A LOT MORE) and hope to get decent team mates, or make another account and do a better placement. Iron is HELL. Saying elo hell does not exist is bullshit, we don't have 4 hours a day to climb in a useless videogame like all the "pros".
When I made a new account I climbed very quickly to gold. But then I got so accustomed to playing like a noob that when I was finally matched up against plat enemies I was making basic mistakes. It's essential you change your playstyle in each ELO.
"Now that our team mates are dead, they can't die again." so true bestie
Great video much more information than others who just teach high Eli concepts
Is 5:35 iron 3, silver 3, or platinum 3?
Silver.
Got auto-filled to adc as a jungle Kayn onetrick today, thanks to your advice I've won my laning phase ultilizing minion wave and spacing against Alistar
I select mid as my second choice and I literally never get auto filled. I get jungle every single time.
You play more than 200 games a season youll get filled lmao@@SKRATCH1988
I am an akali 1 trick but whenever I fall down to iron or low bronze, It's fiora and afk splitpushing straight back out
kassadin is still busted in low elo, the flip side of inting early is your opponents can't close out games, had 90% winrates in gold plat with kassa
In gold and plat? That just means you were supremely better than your opponents. At that rank, people are more than capable of snowballing out of control.
That might work in Bronze, maybe in low Silver, but certainly not possible in Gold and higher.
@@jyashineven 7 - 0 players in gold Im not worried, either they have shit farm or will do something stupid.
@@jyashinonly if they are playing master yi or something. Not scared of any legitimate gold or plat player snowballing out of control on 99% of champs
Yep agreed. Kinda contrary to what is said in the video, I feel like scaling late game champs are really strong in low Elo, simply because the games always stretch and the end game fights are the ones that matter the most.
My favorite part was this was basically useless for jungle. Good job my guy.
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Something else to compare is vs AI in similar games. I cannot win in the training bot games for HotS. I will carry like mad, get tons of xp, and still lose. But I can also get MvP in some normals. When I asked a friend about why this was, he informed me that the AI just doesn't understand what I'm doing if I am outperforming their programming. Not to compare noobs to bots, but I think way too many low level players think the game is played in a manner that just isn't the reality of the game. They don't understand backdooring, resource management macro. and many other concepts that their friends don't teach them, and streamers don't really talk about. Double jungle, lane swapping, these concepts confuse many players that have just been playing "their version" of LoL for way too long, or are brand new, and they just ping spam, and flame in all chat instead of adjusting their strategy.
I've never heard all of this being discussed in guides, genuinely very interesting and seems quite important to know
Lol what, this man said trust my skills and knowledge, also take lethal on Cait XD
2 00 the ghost hahahah im dead
A great video, which talks about the main reason why I stopped playing League more and more.
I used to be Diamond thanks to better macro than my team mates and overall game knowledge. That is what I loved in League.
With how the game evolved and how fighting all the time has become more and more prevalent, I lost most of my interest.
The simple fact that one's gotta abuse on others being stupid (which is not fun) and not play League right (which is real fun) is baffling.
I loved the video! Would you mind making a similar one for jungle. Im currently struggling to make the climb from Diamond to Masters as a Jungle player
You should also remember that a lot of people don't deserve to be in lower ranks and they are extremely competitive people, who would like to climb up but SoloQ is not as serious as it was before, and the overall game knowledge of the playerbase is crawling on the floor.
Everyone knows how everything works, supposedly, but they all see their own version of the game.
Junglers get angry at bot lane because they didn't contest, bot lane gets angry at jungler because there is a huge wave they need to catch and they are expected to contest.
Jungler gets angry at top lane because they didn't show up for grubs, top lane gets angry at jungler because they don't have priority, they pinged the jungler to go back but jungler didn't listen.
Mid lane gets angry at jungler for not ganking / not counter ganking, jungler gets angry at mid laner because the enemy jungler got cs lead thanks to a mistake of top lane and they are expected to gank.
It all goes on and on like this. What they don't know is that they are trying to micro manage their own gameplay without thinking what's going on around them. They all think they are the main characters and they should get the kills and the farms and the pushes and everything.
They don't realize they are not playing against a Korean pro team. With all these individiual selfish mistakes, they are letting the enemy team build up tempo. The top laner who is obsessed with farm, loses 2 towers in 10 seconds. Mid laner gets dived by enemy support and loses tower, jungler doesn't know where to help and gets invaded when trying to rotate bot lane and bot tower is gone too, as well as drake etc. and suddenly the game is over.
What players don't realize is that meanwhile they are trying to play like pros, the enemy doesn't. What that means is, if the enemy team is playing really aggressive, you should answer. In SoloQ there are a lot of early kills especially in low elo. Pro players sit still and farm most of the time, because they know their opponent is tough and risky moves are actually risky so it's better to try to get lead by farms and decide the game on team fights and around objectives. Any kill, is a massive lead on pro scene.
Now, in SoloQ where there is a lot of mindless chaotic play, you should go look for kills even if your team is crying for 15 ff. The game doesn't end until Nexus is gone and during a siege, is when things actually start to shape for the losing team.
If their attempts at breaching the base is not successful, that means there is a good chance to win the game unless the enemy team re-organizes and switches to try hard mode.
During siege, every kill your team can get allows to close the gap. You might have to give baron and a couple drakes. But as long as Nexus holds, you have a chance.
Though sometimes, you will just lose maybe due to your team comp, or your team literally being stupid. But in SoloQ, even losing an inhibitor before 15, is an advantage to you because you can just sit there and farm, and if the enemy team doesn't know how to actually finish the game, that is going to be a huge mistake for them.
TLDR;
In lower elos you should evaluate the game and the tempo and start looking for aggressive plays and kills. You should stop doing what you are doing even if it means your opponent is taking plates or crashing waves on your tower.
Your jungler not going mental, your mid laner feeling important when your support ganks, your top laner feeling they have a team they can rely on when you show up to defend their tower or help them push... These are more important than getting some minion waves.
Sometimes you need to steal the kills and bait your teammates, if they don't know how to protect you or how to take position. Sometimes you need to ping and type stuff in chat. Sometimes you need to apologize, even if it wasn't your fault.
Sometimes you need to change your build to snowball, sometimes you need to leave the lane because your support is an absolute bot. Sometimes you need to remember that no matter how good the enemy team plays in early game, maybe they just don't know what to do when they are presented with a push back.
Imagine all the games you have lost incredibly stupidly, even though your team had a huge lead. We ofthen forgot about those games because we essentially put ourselves back together and won as a team. But we remember all the loses and the stupid teammates... Most of them being early game.
hold on, was that a 0/8 Yone in that intro
we finally found the yone player that riot balanced yone around
What do I do when the blue team is my team and I'm just a 4/0 adc
Pray
Just a question: I agree that lower elos are more likely to get killed in early games then playing early game champ should give me advantage, but I mean lower elo equals harder time finishing games also, so if it postpones a lot a might be also bad. What tip do you give to finish games faster?
I don't agree with the early champs and early runnes approach. You can perfectly play Kassadin with fleet and 1vs9 all low elo games without losing a single one until diamond+. I have tryied both approachs in smurfs and late game champions that can 1vs9 in teamfights are the best approach. That dosn't mean that you can't pick Riven and drop 50 kills in silver and destroy the game. But there will be some games that you are 20/0 and you lose with those early game champs just for comps. For example Riven against Nautilus, Ammumu, Jinx, Katarina, Seraphine. You can perfectly lose the game in a fight because your team mates int with 0 vision, give Katarina and Jinx free reset before even the fight start and all your team get cleaned in 2 seconds and you are legit 1vs5 againstva Jinx with lethal thempo and pasive full stacked a Nautilus with all cds, Ammumu with Q, Seraphine with ulti... To me, i get better results with hyperlate game champions like Kassadin, because you can still stomp early game with them because people dosn't know how to manage waves, trade, punish you, etc.
Also there are examples of people climbing with Kassadin to Master with almost 100% winrate.
I also don't agree that you have to "adapt" to play in low elo. Ofc there are low elo cheese strats to destroy the games that are more efficient to climb than a regular playstyle. But those strats stop working after a while. For example, you can play Morgana mid with barrier and rushing Stopwatch to get from iron4 to gold very fast losing trades and playing like shit on purpouse to fake you are bad and make enemies dive you and you use barrier Q under tower and you get a kill. And same in midgame when low elos are playing Aram and dive you with Stopwatch. But that works only because players in those elos don't track summoners, press tab to check for Stopwatch on Morgana, etc. Or Play Lee Top with Electrocute and get first blood 90% of games at level 1 with flash Q after a long trade. But doing those strats you don't learn the game, you just climb. And when you reach diamond+ you have no idea how to play the game.
I think is way better to learn the game properly, with the right build, learn the combos, learn spacing, learn cooldowns, learn matchups, learn how to flank, how to manage waves, how to possition properly, tracking skills in fights, learn to cross map and play ahead, learn tempo, play for vision, adapt builds, learn how to get carried, build spikes, lvl spikes, matchup spikes, indetify win conditions and adapt your playstyle to them, identify lose conditions, how to draft, good blind picks, counters, etc. There are hundreds of things that you don't learn as a low elo player adapting your gameplay to the elo you are at. That dosn't work in the long run unless you already know how to play properly, or you are an elo booster that you only care about getting accounts to master.
I know what you mean about keystones like in low elo i take pta on aphelios whenever I can and in diamond (top of low elo xD) I take more nuanced runes to eek out small advantages. I loved your tempo lines video from earlier but maybe this video should have a disclaimer saying don't do this if your adc, the role is too gold reliant to drop free sidewaves and when you move to the fights that you forsee coming, your low elo team isn't going to peel for you anyway. I understand that sometimes your team flips a fight and you have no choice but to participate but you should hold off on that fight unless you believe it to be game defining or ending, where in low elo i find you can just carry teamfights later because your better with 4 items then the enemy team is with 5. At least that's how I view this tactic as an adc player.
Its so easy to win games in bronze if you are good, A true diamond player on a bronze account could easily have a 60%+ winrate. And you only have to climb out of bronze once, your elo doesn't really reset between seasons.
My playstyle
Low elo - Garen or a splitpusher so I can play extremely selfishly and take down the enemy base even if my teammates die.
High elo - Galio or teamfight heavy champions because people are worth trying to play with here
Going support or a champ like Galio mid is not as good in low elo, and splitpushers aren't as good in high where people actually defend their base
14:50 LOL I love it 😂
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!! i peaked in platinum 1, 2 years ago (basically diamond 4. I lost my last game to rank up to diamond.) since then i have not been able to break silver!!! It’s disgusting man. I win my lane or destroy the enemy jungler probably 80% of the time, but there’s always that one teammate the ints to the hyper carry then gets mad and throws. Elo hell is REAL!
Issue is when the enemy has the super fed laner. Like an adc , and your teams keeps dying for fun l. And their top laner is split pushing the whole game and u gotta contest and they complain cause u don’t group lol with a yorixkntop melting turrets
The formula to beat sideline Yorick is to 5 man the other lane. Not contest him.
I keep meaning to play but have not actually got into a game in 2 or 3 years. I was pretty great Season 1-3 but the game is so toxic now it's not fun. I may just start playing games again and mute the entire player base from the load screen.
How do you feel about how most top champ picks you either pick an op broken champ like garen or reksai tank that doesnt die at all?
I have like 350 games this season already (I am a bronze 1). To STAY in bronze 1 and not fall to bronze 2 i need a crazy winrate. Each win is 16-21 LP and each loss is 30-36 LP. Each time i loose as much as 36 LP it’s grinding my gears. I didn’t count it exactly, but my winrate is probably like 65-70%…? Something like that.
create a new account bro its done
Iron player stuck in Iron comes diamond on a new acc, then shows a acc from a player beeing hardstuck iron getting boosted to diamond.
2:38 are we not gonna talk about the massive mistake aphel and thresh make of stacking???????? They take 3 rockets to the mouth together
once he learns to farm hell be good.
question, could you please do one for adc, or so you only teach top and mid?
This video is for all roles my friend, the first 2-3 minutes were all clips of ADC even HAHAH
@@CoachRogue the thing is the proxy and roam isn't really possible on bot lane cause you need jngl to be able to proxy and that doesn't really happen much in low elo if you do you have any advice would be nice especially cause it's very hard to play side lane during mid-late game as adc unless you're trist
he didnt say to proxy he said to zone off your oponent from the lane and keep farming, and if they come fight you then they die, proxying is just a way to do it
@@ultimate1450 I see thanks for the clarification!
I guess it can be done through freezing too yea?
@@ultimate1450 I see thanks for the clarification!
I guess it can be done through freezing too yea?
I watch Tyler1 streams all the time so I definitely know how to be a challenger adc, but due to my unlucky placements I got placed in silver and my support is always holding me back. Enemy understands that I'm draven that's why they constantly ganking my lane and because I have a silver support I don't even play the lane 2v2.
insightful as always
hes casualy been rank one. So fuking impressive
how do you always players like these... my bronze players always seem to play like challengers
It is 5 v 5 and the enemy team has more Smurf than our team the game is done.😂
this kinda piss me off, i main jungler each time my ohter lanes get behind they ping me saying you never ganked me then i gank them and we both died, then they flame me for inting like fr man tf
what runes does he have can u show all
I don’t understand how to climb I’ve been playing for a year now and I am going no where
My friends just tell me to farm and which is important but will not help me get out of a lower elo
I don’t know how to keep a lead I don’t know how to come back
I don’t know if I’m in the best role I’ve tried them all and now I’m at a point to where I’m stuck and am ready to rip my hair out lol
League can be toxic as hell
And a lot of people get tilted real fast
My self included at times
I mainly play mid as assassins
My first ever champ I played was Akali who is a hard difficulty champ
But I wanted that because she was the first I fell in love with playing now it’s Qyiana
I got Akalis mechanics down and now I dabbled with other assassins
I’ve tried adc top support
And jungle and I do okay but I still get stuck at the same spot and I’m not kidding when I say I’m a 0lp in iron 4 my Mmr is probably trash when I get a chance to move up a tier I get someone who leaves after remake is available or the other team is winning 12 -2 in kills
I need help I want to climb I love this game because this is the hardest game I’ve ever played and want the chance to play with a team who actually plays how it’s supposed to be played
If I join your course can I strictly work with you and you only lmk thanks
@@BecomeScratch alot of people get stuck in iron in their first year. Especially assassins because they encourage some bad habits like dying alot. But just use your brain and dont autopilot
by the way guys, your shitty mmr is not proof that ELO hell exists. That is what is supposed to happen, if youre getting double lp a loss than a win the system has literally decided you are a lower tier player, and is trying to place you there. The opposite, on a high wr, is getting placed with weaker teammates as your MMR is higher than the average for your rank and all MMR has to be somewhat equal for between both teams. if you're on lower than average mmr (high lp loss, low lp gain) and still losing, you are legit losing with a handicap. the system is treating you like you are a division or two below your rank (because of your mmr) and you still lose. yes, you should rank down, your MMR is your skill rating, and it is far below your rank if this is the case you are seeing. Sometimes a new account can help man, but it sounds like yall are just inflated. Coach rogue has some decent advice here for yall to rank up, and un-inflate your rank
Yeah. well there are some people who consume a lot of VOD review content and professional tournament analysis even. So to these people, decent macro after baron spawns, comes sort of naturally. Or you know, at least they instinctively feel that ARAMing down mid is an awful idea. Which is it almost always is.
But if you are incredibly fed, and your team is already maybe 2-3 man pushing mid and dancing with a couple enemies there? Definitely join them in very low elo, as the enemies likely will all in them with all their abilities, allowing you to kill them all somewhat easily.
How do you zoom out so far in the replay 😮
Ctrl shift z. !
15:54 I would've taken out mid tower/inhib
What about press of attack?
really valuable insight shared, ty
First comment on Coach Rouge video day is good
there's low elo and ther's low elo. One is caster minions playing champs, the other is smurfs, inters, toxicity, ex mid elo players and everything else
im stuck in plat silver and iron at the same time
Really helpful resource, beast coach
The opening of this video is pretty bizarre and disingenuous... It's implying that the iron student was actually playing at a diamond level the entire time, but was trapped by teammates in the lowest elo bracket that exists, and yet somehow evaded this completely on a fresh account and soared to borderline high-elo by applying a couple tricks to exploit low elo habits? I'm sorry but that's just complete bogus, and it's destructive to the community to feed into their delusions that their team is holding them hostage. Shame on you Rogue. You make great content usually, but this is just irresponsible.
While that player who made an insane climb to Diamond from Iron is no-doubt an amazing case study I would love to see an analysis of, and a testament to the benefits of your coaching, let's be real. That is a pretty damn rare case, and the takeaway from it should never be that "elo hell is real, and you're actually way better than your visible rank"
- Identifying things you can do to exploit low-elo habits: GREAT! No issue with that.
- Condoning the toxic tendency players to deflect their own gameplay issues, reinforcing the disgusting ff@15 culture that's already rampant in the game: fucking terrible and you should probably think a little harder about the impact of such a message on impressionable players.
Try it yourself. It’s real.
Fresh accounts place you into plat usually.
Elo hell is real.
@@kennethjames6114how could elo boosting exist if elo hell exists?
elo boosters know how to abuse low elo mistakes
Btw elo hell does exist, u can possibly climb only if you are smurfing , basically if u play in gold u gotta play at least at plat-emerald level if u wanna climb, players do make mistakes that's true but you can see that clearly because you are challenger bro xd
TLDR; just join your team and ARAM mid all game. good luck!
thats bs. Just with good movement alone you will climb out of 'elo hell' even if it's 'just' 60% wr.
If that student went bronze to dia he simply improved, good for him.
60% wr isnt enough to fix hardstuck mmr i think
@@ultimate1450 It is, I promise you. At least, if you hold that win rate over 50+ games (probably less), you are guaranteed to climb.
I guess I need to stop playing ziggs and bring out my talon/ekko again. It's so nice improving at this game and seeing my improvement bare fruit, but man... Emerald League is not League. I wanna climb to high diamond and see if I can perform there. Not in this random scramble where 1/10 games is a normal game that looks semi-correct
thank you for the knowledge you have shared
The exact same thing happened to me; was stuck in Iron 3-4 for 3 years, made a new account and have been steadily holding onto gold 3 for about 4 months since creating a new account
Thanks now go play Predecessor and change it from within
Principal advice of the video: "Just play a strong early game champ bro" (●'◡'●) bruh
Sorry coach Rogue, but already in the first minute i realized you made this video to please low elo players and make them feel good about themselves. Remember the bronze player that bought a challenger account to just be back in bronze within 50 games? How about we just focus on improving fundamentals and understanding of the game instead of this humbug.
I'm iron because I have room temperature IQ.
Yeah this is true for me, for 3 seasons, I was stuck in Bronze for Valorant, Iron-Brone 3 on League, after enough is enough, I bought 3 accounts for both Val and League fresh on the internet and oh my god, I hit Immo on Valorant after 2 weeks of buying those 2 account and I’m Gold 4 on leavue with 57% WR ona fresh account. Now 1 year laters, I have consistently hit Immo+ on all my bought account for Valorant, 1 diamond and all gold account on League (i don’t play league much) but both my main (with skins and all on both games) highest I hit is Gold 4 on Val and just got to Silver 4 on my main…I’m genuinely believe Riot hate it when you spend money on them 🤣🤣
Nice vid but don’t cover items of the champions with head
Fundamental jungling wins u games
Heard the first 30 sec and stopped the video immediately. There is no way someone is stack in iron and then starts a new account and goes to diamond. I am a low master player and i guarantee you even the worst d4 player goes 20-0 in almost every iron game and wins. This content is garbage. Take some responsibility folks
I disliked just so I could like this video again
*stuck in iron and climb all the way to diamond* yea no, stop gaslighting ppl into thinking others are holding them back, thats like the worst thing u can even tell someone *yea u will be there and theres nothing u can do about it to change* xDD its easier to accept the fact that they themself suck and teach how to win those games rather than saying stuff like that, u just do that to get their attention from their delsuional point of view.
rec bint
Im callin CAP. No chance there are hardstuck iron players the made it to Diamond with a good winrate off of a gold account. This sounds like false marketing to me.
Idk it does sound a bit off but I can say for sure your teammates can be holding you back
@@Hassan-nw8xu in a few games sure. But if you play a hundred and don't climb, the problem might be you
@@magnetowurst507 no yea I get that but I’ve been on a 5 win streak just to lose cause my whole team was trash. I just recently made a new account and the difference is noticeable. I think it’s the thing with leaving matches and smack talking I think they call it losers queue, when I first started I didn’t really understand the commitment to the match your in I was the type of kid growing up where idc about the game if I need pee or something I’m out😂 so making a fresh account and just being a good player with experience helped me out a lot currently gold 3 but I used to be hard stuck bronze and iron player
i can tell you it's true. why? i am diamond and i have a smurf in bronze to play with a friend which is iron and although i carry most of the times, sometimes it's impossible to lose. not talking about the fact that people troll pick (jhin toplane, vayne jungle, yuumi jungle). yes, i had a yuumi jungle in my games. they run it down. i think this is mostly smurfs that wanna do crazy stuff for fun, but they're ruining other people's games. my friend is iron because he has negative mmr but i think he deserves silver. also, a lot of opponents i face are pretty good and they aren't smurf, they're iron stuck.
i can tell you it's true. why? i am diamond and i have a smurf in bronze to play with a friend which is iron and although i carry most of the times, sometimes it's impossible to win. not talking about the fact that people troll pick (jhin toplane, vayne jungle, yuumi jungle). yes, i had a yuumi jungle in my games. they run it down. i think this is mostly smurfs that wanna do crazy stuff for fun, but they're ruining other people's games. my friend is iron because he has negative mmr but i think he deserves silver. also, a lot of opponents i face are pretty good and they aren't smurf, they're iron stuck.
You can just play normal league of legends and climb out of iron a year ago or 2 can’t remember I was an absolute creature in the rift and I just played one champ learn the champ played Normal league and climb with a 70% win rate from iron because those players suck and are absolute horrible no flame. Once you accept that as I did you will improve or you can lie to yourself and say your held back by your teammate when the opponent are literally plying with their monitor off. I’m not high elo any iron hardstuck player wanna test it just comment hear I add you and discard and let em play on your account I will be out in a day or 2
As a master player, recently boosting an acc from gold to emerald (giga low elo) i can say with certainty that elo hell does not exist. I managed to win 27 out of 30 games as an adc. There are very few games that are actually unwinnable. And ofc every player is in the elo he deserves, its only your fault if you are stuck in plat/emerald
Ur going in with knowledge on how to play late if you some how lose lane and if ur other laners are losing, a lot of people will run it down or fight and ignore what they need to do be it set up for baron dragon turtle and farm etc im not saying that’s ALL games but a good chunk, people will rage split and it’s hard to win a TEAM game when ur team wants to FF early or not play it out
bro have 0ms
wtf
bullshit game keeps your at 50%
Elo hell is pure fiction. If you're stuck, it's a skill issue. Play better and you get out.
I always find these videos to be so stupid abuse these mistakes to win games. yeha i do that get liek 4 kills ahead of my laner and zone them from cs. 10m in enermy bot laner is 10/2... and 2 shots me.
if you are stuck in Iron Bronze Silver Gold and cant carry you deserve to be Stuck dont sugarcoat it
You literally pandering to your audience to make sales. There is no diamond player unironically stuck in low elo LOL. So you're telling me there was a player STUCK in bronze, restarted account and got diamond. That's some major bullshit
emerald is low elo, iron silver are divisons for people with down sydrom and stuff like thaat
coaching is a scam!!!