I just came back to let you know that I took my CDL skill for the 3rd time today and I passed due to your method. Thank you so much for this amazing video.
Mary, this is fantastic news! I am so happy for you! Your perseverance and hard work really paid off! You have much to be proud of! Continued success in all you do. Thanks so much for sharing your positive outcome with me! 🚌🚌🚌
I have to do mine for the second time in just over a week, tomorrow. The first time I actually managed to complete the damn alley dock (with 5 points left over) and the pre trip inspection. Then, less than 2 miles from the freaking bus yard, I had to hard stop for a stop sign that I’d momentarily lost sight of while looking at the road ahead. It was an area I’ve never driven in so had no familiarity with the roads. I feel like I made it in that spot by the skin of my teeth last time and making it again will be a miracle I don’t have hope for.
@@givemeahappyending if you did it once then you can do it again! I felt the same way at first, practice as much as you can. They might not make you do the alley dock again since you passed. You may just have to retake the road test. You got this!
@@MaryBrown-qp6iw thank you so much! I actually managed to pull it off! I didn’t even have to pull forward and adjust myself on the alley dock, I just went straight in.
I’ve been watching your videos on the pre-inspection and the alley docking. I’m in the process of being trained (In TN). The alley docking is what concerns me. So, I’ve been viewing your video. Your videos are the most thorough. I appreciate it!
Did this with a couple of variations. After the cones disappeared I went straight back a couple wheel rolls, turn halfway till I could see where my left tire was going in relation to the left cone, then turn Sharp until I could see the right cone in the right mirror. Went back a little more, then I used one of my pull ups to straighten out and then almost straight line backed in. However I think the setup area on our training range is a little narrower than what you've got here
I find most people will find their own sweet spot, but the tips help them find what works best for them. Thanks for sharing what worked best for you. :)
This demonstration Ally Dock......is right on ....In Massachusetts a driver is allowed to get out and take a final look and adjust to fit in the rear bumper into the box/cones....when your sure....your in the rear box/cone area ....then hit horn to indicate you completed the test....Great video
In Ohio, we are allowed two position checks, you must make an attempt to get the bus in the box before you take a position check. More than two position checks will result in an automatic failure. Thanks again for your comments, Anthony!
Explanation are just enough for use but so simple to understand. Excellent. Enough, simple, remember easily, hope they can be the models for all teaching videos.
Awesome to hear!! Prepping for my class B skills test and the dreaded alley dock is what I am most nervous about ha. Happy this video is accurate and helpful, I am definitely going to test it out in the yard today!
@@SchoolBusSass well, good and bad lol. I attempted the "wait until the cones disappear" technique, and it didn't work for me. But like you said I am sure it's the way my seat and mirrors were adjusted because I was starting the pivot too soon. So I went back to relying on getting to a certain point on my "wall" to start the pivot and nailed it. Basically the same technique you mentioned, just a diff way to determine when to start the hard pivot :) this understanding in general (about it being about pivoting rather than backing/angling in) was super helpful though!
Please help me!! I’m taking the test tomorrow and this utterly confused me. I was taught to start almost perpendicular to the cones(parking spot) and kinda eye it up myself until I couldn’t see cones on my view then start adjusting to parking spot. We can use back up camera as well (which I don’t) but this set up confused me. Wish me luck 🤞🏻
Excellent had to alley dock and parrell park a bus for first time nailed them both first try without your videos don't know what or how I was going to do it thank you
@@itzthewitz I assume you mean you cant see on the computer (which was my problem) when I enlarged my screen I could see they were there in the mirror.
I'm so jealous watching this video, I failed the alley dock today in Maine and the space given to back into was TINY! not only that but I had to be no further than four feet from the cones on my left side, it took me three attempts to get within the final area and then I ended up too far away which was my fault. Anyway the advice in this video is good, just make sure to check how your state conducts the test
Wow! I can’t believe the rude comments . Thanks for the video . I’m alley docking. Chances of doing it again with a CDL is likely . A lot of back roads and tight spaces to turn around in W.V. I will give it a try .
Hi, Tabatha Thank you for your comment and feedback. I’m glad to know the video has been helpful for you. When you make anything public, you open yourself up to both the positive and negative feedback. I try to focus on the positive and learn from the negative. Enjoy your weekend.😊
When you start your driving skills test to back up to alley dock and parallel parking and offsets do you have to get out to check behind the bus before backing up?
In Ohio, the examiner walks you through the skills course. There typically are no other vehicles on the skills course when you’re testing, making it unnecessary on a closed course.
Hello Ms. Mileti! I will be going in tomorrow to take my CLP test!! I feel pretty good and I’ve been doing A BUNCH of practice tests and have had good scores! I want to thank you for all the help you’ve given me since I’ve told you I wanted to obtain my CDL. I watch these videos at least 2-3 times a day!Any last minute tips?! Thanks again, Carvell
Relax and remember to breathe. Your hard work will pay off. You've got this, Carvell! If you think of it, let me know how things go for you tomorrow. :)
Therese Mileti I just took my test and I had 8 questions left and missed 11 at the 8th to last question. I WAS SO CLOSE. I’m going to keep going until I get at least a 40/50 and go from there! I haven’t given up. I’m so determined about this
Therese Mileti yes I remember. Today was my 3rd time taking it and it was also my highest score. 32/50 is a lot better than 23/50. The questions today that’s I saw on practice test I flew by those except for one question. I’m trying to have the CLP between the 15th and 20th so I can have classes at the end of the month
Hi Mary… Are you overshooting the alley dock box or coming in too short? If you’re coming in too short, on your approach into the alley dock box… Go straight back, a little bit further before you begin to turn the wheel to the left. If you are going beyond the alley dock parking box… If you are going straight back until both cones of the parking box just disappear, try turning after the first come disappears. By making small minor adjustments, you will find that sweet spot. It’s much easier to adjust to going too far back. A pull up can correct an overshoot. If you’re coming in too short, before the box, I would likely start over. It’s generally too difficult to correct. I hope this explanation helps.
Hello Ms. Therese! I’m a 20 yr old and I’ve thought about getting my Class B CDL. I’ve been trying to find more OHIO videos since I live here and your channel is where I came. I know I have to be 21 to have my CDL and I also know I have to have a permit. I’ve taken practice tests on passenger, air brake, general knowledge etc. and I’ve done well! I hope these videos help me out. I have one question...after I receive my permit for my CDL where would I go for training? Thanks, Carvell
Good morning, Carvell I’m not sure where you are located in Ohio. If you are looking at becoming a school bus driver, find a school district with a board owned fleet. They will train you at no cost, some have paid training, though there are far fewer of them. You only have to be 18 to obtain your CDL. I have posted the website with the requirements necessary. There is a nation wide shortage of drivers, so finding a job should not be a problem. I know the district I drive for is hiring. www.bmv.ohio.gov/dl-cdl-testing.aspx All the best to you!
Hey! Good morning!!! Thank you so much for your help. My school district (Liberty Local School District - Trumbull County) is board owned. I'll keep studying maybe 3 more times before i take the test
I would use my turn around video for pivot points. You do not necessarily need cones, but you should have some reference point from the distance laid out by your state guidelines when you’re doing this maneuver
Great videos; they are extremely informative...your parallel parking videos have truly helped me. However, what do you mean by the front right two cones of the box? If I’m standing outside of the box and looking directly into it, at the imaginary “rear wall,” then which cones are you referring to when you state “front right two cones of the box”? This is at the 1:25 mark of the video. Thank you.
I just read your comment, and will give you a proper response, when I return from vacation. Was this for parallel parking or for the alley dock maneuver?
Therese Mileti I apologize for not being a bit more transparent. My question is concerning the alley dock maneuver. When you mention the two front right cones at 1:25 of this video, which cones are you specifically talking about? From the perspective of if I am standing outside of the vehicle and staring straight, head-on down the alley at the rear cones, which cones would those be that were referred to in the video as the two front right cones? Also, when you are approaching a railroad crossing, do you stop in the box that has the X and the two Rs? I drive a class B dump truck, but your parking videos have pretty much worked effectively for me in this particular vehicle. Thank you so much for your assistance. I’ll keep an eye out for your response upon your return from vacation.
@@jonasa5090 , As you are looking into the lower right hand mirror, look for the two cones on the right hand side of the box behind you. You will eventually see two cones behind you in your lower right side mirror, and two cones in your lower left hand mirror as you center yourself between the parking space. I hope my explanation helps. Let me know if it is still unclear.
Therese Mileti perfect! That’s what I had figured! Thank you so much for the clarification. I’ve been practicing using my car when I’m not able to use the dump truck. Your methods are of great assistance. Lastly, are you able to look out your windows during the basic skills component? I find it helps me to properly angle myself when turning around that first pivot cone of the box and then I utilize my mirrors to get straight into the box.
Great question, thank you for asking! In the state oh Ohio, you are allowed to take two free pull ups, and two position checks. States guidelines may vary , check with your local Testing facility. Pull ups...any change of direction during a backup maneuver, is considered a “pull up” weather you move 6 inches or 26 feet(or start over) it counts as one pull up. For each additional, pull up, you are charged demerits, or points against your final score, two points for each additional pull-up. Position check, or as I like to call them, look abouts. These are very important! For parallel parking and Alley dock, you are allowed to check the position of you vehicle, twice. The bumper of your vehicle must cross the plane of the parking box for both parallel parking or the alley dock maneuver, before you can exit to check the position of your vehicle. Always check your final position...even if you thin you have, nailed, the skill. (Completed it perfectly) ALWAYS get out of your vehicle and check!!! That way, if something is not quite right...like...not backing up far enough into the box, or having one of your tires, resting on a line, you have the opportunity to correct the problem, then recheck your correction afterwards. Do NOT get out a third time! Getting out a third time will result in an automatic failure. As far as looking out your window...as long as you are not lifting yourself out of the drivers seat, you should be able to utilize your windows to assist you. Always check with your local testing site for specifics.
I have a question for you as a School bus driver with CDL.If you approach a intersections with multiple Lane's 2 turning left on a 2 lane road 1 going straight and 1 right, now the question, I want to make a left turn is correct procedure stay in the outside left lane and after my turn is complete this allows me to be in the right lane of road? What is correct procedure for left turn with 2 Lane's turning left? I recently went on a trip and the leader of 5 bus's made a left from the inside left lane, I wanted to know correct procedure.
In general, it is a best practice policy to choose the outer turn lane when more than one turn lane is available. Follow, or remain in the lane you start your turn in. If you begin your turn in the outside turn lane you will complete your turn in the lane nearest the curb. If you start your turn on the inside curb lane, you will finish your turn in the lane closest to the double yellow center lines or center median. Once you complete your turn, if you need to be in the right hand lane, you can initiate your indicator and make a lane change at that time. When turning right, you want to turn into the nearest lane available to you, then, make any necessary lane changes. I hope I have answered your question.
@@SchoolBusSass yes you have, I started my career as a CDL driver when I was 22 working for the transportation company of Philadelphia spent most of my time there now retired and driving part time as a school bus driver, I do know that septa the Philadelphia transit company always train their employees to make sure you were in the outside of the left lane so that no one could cut you off as you were turning besides they were big on staying in the right lane after the turn and change only if you had to. Was not sure if school bus was somewhat different. Thank you for your help. Richard
Quick question . Is there any video that shows. Where after I backed up . I turned the wheel to the left ?. I tried waiting for the cones to dissappear. But takes me well past the left cone. Even if I just use the first cone I see. For example should I turn hard left 10 feet 20 feet etc. before front left cone. Or maybe there is a better way to line up myself so when the 2 cones dissappear I can make the turn . Any suggestion you have . Would be helpful. You have been very helpful I appreciate it. One more question. My DMV test is coming in 2 weeks . So I need more time to practice can I use a long passenger van to practice alley docking offset etc. Thanks for your help once again
Hi Christian, Are you stopping before you turn your wheel or are you turning as your backing? Are your mirrors set to FMVSS? All of these will have some bearing on this maneuver. Practice is generally quite helpful, though I’m not certain practicing with a van would be beneficial. You’ve got this…
@@SchoolBusSass thanks for the reply. I am usually stopping. Trying to find a reference point to stop and make my left turn into box. How far should I be from the left and right front cones in width ? And how far should a be in length where are I start my back up. It's not marked where I was training at. Maybe I am off in that area . when the cones dissappear in left mirror. And make my turn its brings me past the right front cone. Is there any suggestion you can give me as well to practice . On my own without a bus. I have a long van I could use but as you said it wouldn't help . I used up my 10 hours . I still don't feel comfortable taking the test. So I want to find away to practice on my own . The videos are helping me alot. Any suggestion would be helpful. Once again I appreciate you taking time helping me. My mirrors seem to be line up properly.
Good morning, Christian When starting this maneuver, position the bus approximately 20’ to the left of the cones on the right, which indicate , the wall barrier. No part of your bus can cross this imaginary wall. Are you allowed any, pull-ups (change of directions), without getting charged points while demonstrating the maneuver? In Ohio we get the first two, change of directions, with no deductions. In addition to utilizing your lower left mirror to view the two forward cones of the alley dock parking space, you can also try looking in your student mirror as well. When the bumper of the bus visually appears to be adjacent to the forward set of cones, of the parking space, can also be a good reference point for when to start turning. You have a set amount of time allotted to practice? Can you ask your, OBI for additional drive time? In Ohio, we must spend a minimum of 15 hours of drive time. My average time spent with a new driver is approximately 24…some lower, some higher, but can’t imagine trying to finish up in 10 hours. Yikes! . Sidetracked, sorry…back to you. As for mirrors being set properly, I have a video, demonstration with a mirror grid. I will put the link below, that may help a bit as well. If you’re overshooting the parking space, start to turn sooner. It is easier to correct overshooting, than when you turn too soon. When do you take your test? th-cam.com/video/h094bmzBGOo/w-d-xo.html
@@SchoolBusSass Thank you for the reply. When you the say the bumper of the bus. Should be adjacent to the forward front cones. When I back up I should line up the bumper with the front left cone ? . If I would look at it from my Mirrors backing up. I am going to try and look threw my students mirrors. And see if the cones dissappear then. Turn it all the way left . In NJ we get 2 pull ups and 2 get out and look. The school gives us 12 hours then brings us to DMV.Its not enough time. Unless you have had experience already. My test is on Jan 10 . Most likely it will be on backing,offset parking and alley docking. Pre inspection and air brakes . I know once I get a good reference point it will help me alot. But I thank you for the time you spend replying And all the videos you put out. You are helping alot of people .
Christian, if you think it will help, I will do a live training session on alley docking. Let me know if you are interested. This could take place this Thursday, if you’d like.
Unlike parallel parking, there is no precise moment to start turning. It will vary, based upon mirror placement, seat positioning, and driver size. I believe I have an updated alley dock video, which gives an idea on when to start turning. I tell new drivers to watch the two front cones of the box behind them, go straight back until they see the front cone of the box in the lower left mirror almost disappear from view, then start to turn, while continuing to back.
@@SchoolBusSass I'm asking alot of questions on different videos of yours because I test on Thursday so I'm a little nervous about the skills and road test
@@SchoolBusSass so bumping a cone is just points not a automatic fail right? And also is scraping a curve points or a automatic fail? I know running up on the curve is a automatic fail. And I'm trying to breathe trust me LoL.
Yes, bumping a cone is points. Curbs are auto fails. I’m not sure what you mean curves. White lines are points in both maneuvers and the road test. Too fast and too slow are automatic fails as well. 11 miles over or under speed limit. I hope your test went well yesterday!
Good morning, Ljoel. Thank you for your comment. The pivot points are what we are trying to teach each new driving student. The pivot points will be very close to what is being shown. The cones are there to practive maneuverabilities for new drivers, but the maneuvers will still function in much the same way in real word driving. I will try to post a video with a bus to the front and rear of a parking space to demonstrate the pivot points are the same. Think of the cones as being a vehicle to the front and rear. You would just be using bumpers as reference points, instead of cones. While I would not recomment practicing these maneuvers with vehicles, to make the experience more "real", the concept is the same and translates as such. I hope this helps.
Hi Shaun, I understand your point and agree...somewhat. We may not do an exact alley dock maneuver, but we do turn arounds all day long, which basically the reverse of what is shown here. We back to the right, not the left. The principle, however, is very similar. To be fair, semi drivers likely will never parallel park their trailers either. We, however are far more likely to parallel park our busses at some point in our driving career. I use this skill when I travel into larger cities with fewer options for parking.
Therese Mileti Don't worry about it. To have a mirror in the middle of the screen just confused me... As you know there are none in the middle of your windshield. They are actually on both side... My dad showed me how to back a tractor with a wagon attached to it when i was not even a teen yet. But personally that video just isn't for me... Have a good day!
she was good, but not enough information, there's no tech. teaching, no precise information on when and how much or exactly when to turn or what exactly to look for
Hi Timothy...Thank you for your comment and feedback. I try to be as detailed as possible when I'm giving instructions on how to accomplish these maneuvers. Perhaps you have a few suggestions on how I could present this for better understanding. Happy New Year to you!
I just came back to let you know that I took my CDL skill for the 3rd time today and I passed due to your method. Thank you so much for this amazing video.
Mary, this is fantastic news! I am so happy for you! Your perseverance and hard work really paid off! You have much to be proud of! Continued success in all you do. Thanks so much for sharing your positive outcome with me! 🚌🚌🚌
I have to do mine for the second time in just over a week, tomorrow. The first time I actually managed to complete the damn alley dock (with 5 points left over) and the pre trip inspection. Then, less than 2 miles from the freaking bus yard, I had to hard stop for a stop sign that I’d momentarily lost sight of while looking at the road ahead. It was an area I’ve never driven in so had no familiarity with the roads. I feel like I made it in that spot by the skin of my teeth last time and making it again will be a miracle I don’t have hope for.
@@givemeahappyending if you did it once then you can do it again! I felt the same way at first, practice as much as you can. They might not make you do the alley dock again since you passed. You may just have to retake the road test. You got this!
@@MaryBrown-qp6iw thank you so much! I actually managed to pull it off! I didn’t even have to pull forward and adjust myself on the alley dock, I just went straight in.
I’ve been watching your videos on the pre-inspection and the alley docking. I’m in the process of being trained (In TN). The alley docking is what concerns me. So, I’ve been viewing your video. Your videos are the most thorough. I appreciate it!
I remember when I had to do the maneuvers !! It paid off and they are good to keep for memorisation !!
Did this with a couple of variations. After the cones disappeared I went straight back a couple wheel rolls, turn halfway till I could see where my left tire was going in relation to the left cone, then turn Sharp until I could see the right cone in the right mirror. Went back a little more, then I used one of my pull ups to straighten out and then almost straight line backed in. However I think the setup area on our training range is a little narrower than what you've got here
I find most people will find their own sweet spot, but the tips help them find what works best for them. Thanks for sharing what worked best for you. :)
Thank god for your video! Clear, accurate and simple instructions.
I am so happy to learn the video and methods were helpful for you! Continued success to you!
This demonstration Ally Dock......is right on ....In Massachusetts a driver is allowed to get out and take a final look and adjust to fit in the rear bumper into the box/cones....when your sure....your in the rear box/cone area ....then hit horn to indicate you completed the test....Great video
In Ohio, we are allowed two position checks, you must make an attempt to get the bus in the box before you take a position check. More than two position checks will result in an automatic failure.
Thanks again for your comments, Anthony!
Oh my god seriously? You can get out? We can’t get out of our seat at all in Oregon. I have to do it tomorrow and I’m dreading it.
Explanation are just enough for use but so simple to understand. Excellent. Enough, simple, remember easily, hope they can be the models for all teaching videos.
Im happy to learn you’re finding the videos helpful.
This method works! Every time. Thank you so much for the great video.
Happy to hear the video and information has been helpful for you!
Thank you for this video I was able to pass my driving test while using this method to the letter. Barry from New Jersey
Outstanding, Barrysimeone! Way to go. Continued success in all you do.
Awesome to hear!! Prepping for my class B skills test and the dreaded alley dock is what I am most nervous about ha. Happy this video is accurate and helpful, I am definitely going to test it out in the yard today!
@@jenkenj Embrace the alley dock...;) How'd it go today?
@@SchoolBusSass well, good and bad lol. I attempted the "wait until the cones disappear" technique, and it didn't work for me. But like you said I am sure it's the way my seat and mirrors were adjusted because I was starting the pivot too soon. So I went back to relying on getting to a certain point on my "wall" to start the pivot and nailed it. Basically the same technique you mentioned, just a diff way to determine when to start the hard pivot :) this understanding in general (about it being about pivoting rather than backing/angling in) was super helpful though!
Please help me!! I’m taking the test tomorrow and this utterly confused me. I was taught to start almost perpendicular to the cones(parking spot) and kinda eye it up myself until I couldn’t see cones on my view then start adjusting to parking spot. We can use back up camera as well (which I don’t) but this set up confused me. Wish me luck 🤞🏻
Excellent had to alley dock and parrell park a bus for first time nailed them both first try without your videos don't know what or how I was going to do it thank you
Way to go, Sonia, congratulations and continued success in all you do. 😊
your techniques really works, i had to alley dock my bus and your teachings were the only thing on my mind..
Thank you for your comment and kind feedback! You just made my morning, Ronald!
I can't see the conos
@@itzthewitz , have you tried adjusting your mirror settings? Sorry this message is so delayed, I just saw your comment.
@@itzthewitz I assume you mean you cant see on the computer (which was my problem) when I enlarged my screen I could see they were there in the mirror.
I'm so jealous watching this video, I failed the alley dock today in Maine and the space given to back into was TINY! not only that but I had to be no further than four feet from the cones on my left side, it took me three attempts to get within the final area and then I ended up too far away which was my fault. Anyway the advice in this video is good, just make sure to check how your state conducts the test
Hi Dan, what are the dimensions they use in Maine?
Will you be taking the test again?
Wow! I can’t believe the rude comments . Thanks for the video . I’m alley docking. Chances of doing it again with a CDL is likely . A lot of back roads and tight spaces to turn around in W.V. I will give it a try .
Hi, Tabatha
Thank you for your comment and feedback. I’m glad to know the video has been helpful for you.
When you make anything public, you open yourself up to both the positive and negative feedback. I try to focus on the positive and learn from the negative. Enjoy your weekend.😊
Thank you, this is very Helpful💛
Janaya, I’m so glad to learn the video has been helpful for you!
Your videos are very helpful ma’am
Well, thank you very much, David! I appreciate your feedback and glad the videos have been helpful for you’.
This is absolutely helpful to me.
Glad to learn this video has been helpful for you!
Girl I passed I’m a bus operator with my class B license w/passenger
This is the way.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Appreciate the information
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CDL Test is less than 3 days away!! I’m so excited
What a great way to begin 2019, with your brand new shiny....ok, maybe not so shiny, CDL! Believe it, achieve it!
When you start your driving skills test to back up to alley dock and parallel parking and offsets do you have to get out to check behind the bus before backing up?
In Ohio, the examiner walks you through the skills course. There typically are no other vehicles on the skills course when you’re testing, making it unnecessary on a closed course.
Hello Ms. Mileti! I will be going in tomorrow to take my CLP test!! I feel pretty good and I’ve been doing A BUNCH of practice tests and have had good scores! I want to thank you for all the help you’ve given me since I’ve told you I wanted to obtain my CDL. I watch these videos at least 2-3 times a day!Any last minute tips?!
Thanks again,
Carvell
Relax and remember to breathe. Your hard work will pay off. You've got this, Carvell!
If you think of it, let me know how things go for you tomorrow. :)
Therese Mileti I just took my test and I had 8 questions left and missed 11 at the 8th to last question. I WAS SO CLOSE. I’m going to keep going until I get at least a 40/50 and go from there! I haven’t given up. I’m so determined about this
Don't give up, you can do this, Carvell.
Do you remember which questions were challenging for you?
Therese Mileti yes I remember. Today was my 3rd time taking it and it was also my highest score. 32/50 is a lot better than 23/50. The questions today that’s I saw on practice test I flew by those except for one question. I’m trying to have the CLP between the 15th and 20th so I can have classes at the end of the month
Do you remember any of the questions you missed on the test? Is there a specific area you are struggling with?
thanks
I’m struggling with putting the bumper in the box. Any tips?? I’ve twice due to alley dock. I passed my off set and straight line. Please help
Hi Mary…
Are you overshooting the alley dock box or coming in too short?
If you’re coming in too short, on your approach into the alley dock box…
Go straight back, a little bit further before you begin to turn the wheel to the left.
If you are going beyond the alley dock parking box…
If you are going straight back until both cones of the parking box just disappear, try turning after the first come disappears.
By making small minor adjustments, you will find that sweet spot. It’s much easier to adjust to going too far back. A pull up can correct an overshoot.
If you’re coming in too short, before the box, I would likely start over. It’s generally too difficult to correct.
I hope this explanation helps.
Hello Ms. Therese! I’m a 20 yr old and I’ve thought about getting my Class B CDL. I’ve been trying to find more OHIO videos since I live here and your channel is where I came. I know I have to be 21 to have my CDL and I also know I have to have a permit. I’ve taken practice tests on passenger, air brake, general knowledge etc. and I’ve done well! I hope these videos help me out. I have one question...after I receive my permit for my CDL where would I go for training?
Thanks, Carvell
Good morning, Carvell
I’m not sure where you are located in Ohio. If you are looking at becoming a school bus driver, find a school district with a board owned fleet. They will train you at no cost, some have paid training, though there are far fewer of them.
You only have to be 18 to obtain your CDL. I have posted the website with the requirements necessary.
There is a nation wide shortage of drivers, so finding a job should not be a problem. I know the district I drive for is hiring.
www.bmv.ohio.gov/dl-cdl-testing.aspx
All the best to you!
Hey! Good morning!!! Thank you so much for your help. My school district (Liberty Local School District - Trumbull County) is board owned. I'll keep studying maybe 3 more times before i take the test
Yeah! Go for it!
I just took the “Sample” knowledge test for the first time in like 3 years and I got a PERFECT SCORE
Way to go, Carvell! Keep up the good work, you’ll be driving in no time. 😁
Does this same tip apply for backing from your blind side(the passenger side? Also what if you dont have cones set up like a wall?
I would use my turn around video for pivot points.
You do not necessarily need cones, but you should have some reference point from the distance laid out by your state guidelines when you’re doing this maneuver
When you back up a school bus, do you have to give the bus gas for it to move? meaning in reverse? Thanks.
It will depend on the surface the bus is on, if there is a slope,etc. an upward slope, very likely a downward slope… probably not.
Great videos; they are extremely informative...your parallel parking videos have truly helped me. However, what do you mean by the front right two cones of the box? If I’m standing outside of the box and looking directly into it, at the imaginary “rear wall,” then which cones are you referring to when you state “front right two cones of the box”? This is at the 1:25 mark of the video. Thank you.
I just read your comment, and will give you a proper response, when I return from vacation.
Was this for parallel parking or for the alley dock maneuver?
Therese Mileti I apologize for not being a bit more transparent. My question is concerning the alley dock maneuver. When you mention the two front right cones at 1:25 of this video, which cones are you specifically talking about? From the perspective of if I am standing outside of the vehicle and staring straight, head-on down the alley at the rear cones, which cones would those be that were referred to in the video as the two front right cones?
Also, when you are approaching a railroad crossing, do you stop in the box that has the X and the two Rs?
I drive a class B dump truck, but your parking videos have pretty much worked effectively for me in this particular vehicle.
Thank you so much for your assistance. I’ll keep an eye out for your response upon your return from vacation.
@@jonasa5090 , As you are looking into the lower right hand mirror, look for the two cones on the right hand side of the box behind you. You will eventually see two cones behind you in your lower right side mirror, and two cones in your lower left hand mirror as you center yourself between the parking space. I hope my explanation helps. Let me know if it is still unclear.
Therese Mileti perfect! That’s what I had figured! Thank you so much for the clarification. I’ve been practicing using my car when I’m not able to use the dump truck. Your methods are of great assistance.
Lastly, are you able to look out your windows during the basic skills component? I find it helps me to properly angle myself when turning around that first pivot cone of the box and then I utilize my mirrors to get straight into the box.
Great question, thank you for asking!
In the state oh Ohio, you are allowed to take two free pull ups, and two position checks. States guidelines may vary , check with your local Testing facility.
Pull ups...any change of direction during a backup maneuver, is considered a “pull up” weather you move 6 inches or 26 feet(or start over) it counts as one pull up.
For each additional, pull up, you are charged demerits, or points against your final score, two points for each additional pull-up.
Position check, or as I like to call them, look abouts.
These are very important!
For parallel parking and Alley dock, you are allowed to check the position of you vehicle, twice.
The bumper of your vehicle must cross the plane of the parking box for both parallel parking or the alley dock maneuver, before you can exit to check the position of your vehicle.
Always check your final position...even if you thin you have, nailed, the skill. (Completed it perfectly)
ALWAYS get out of your vehicle and check!!!
That way, if something is not quite right...like...not backing up far enough into the box, or having one of your tires, resting on a line, you have the opportunity to correct the problem, then recheck your correction afterwards.
Do NOT get out a third time! Getting out a third time will result in an automatic failure.
As far as looking out your window...as long as you are not lifting yourself out of the drivers seat, you should be able to utilize your windows to assist you. Always check with your local testing site for specifics.
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I have a question for you as a School bus driver with CDL.If you approach a intersections with multiple Lane's 2 turning left on a 2 lane road 1 going straight and 1 right, now the question, I want to make a left turn is correct procedure stay in the outside left lane and after my turn is complete this allows me to be in the right lane of road? What is correct procedure for left turn with 2 Lane's turning left? I recently went on a trip and the leader of 5 bus's made a left from the inside left lane, I wanted to know correct procedure.
In general, it is a best practice policy to choose the outer turn lane when more than one turn lane is available. Follow, or remain in the lane you start your turn in. If you begin your turn in the outside turn lane you will complete your turn in the lane nearest the curb. If you start your turn on the inside curb lane, you will finish your turn in the lane closest to the double yellow center lines or center median. Once you complete your turn, if you need to be in the right hand lane, you can initiate your indicator and make a lane change at that time.
When turning right, you want to turn into the nearest lane available to you, then, make any necessary lane changes.
I hope I have answered your question.
@@SchoolBusSass yes you have, I started my career as a CDL driver when I was 22 working for the transportation company of Philadelphia spent most of my time there now retired and driving part time as a school bus driver, I do know that septa the Philadelphia transit company always train their employees to make sure you were in the outside of the left lane so that no one could cut you off as you were turning besides they were big on staying in the right lane after the turn and change only if you had to. Was not sure if school bus was somewhat different. Thank you for your help. Richard
Happy to help...
Continued success in all you do, Richard. 😊
Are your lower mirrors convex mirrors?
yes
thank you!
You're welcome, hope it helps! :)
Quick question . Is there any video that shows. Where after I backed up . I turned the wheel to the left ?. I tried waiting for the cones to dissappear. But takes me well past the left cone. Even if I just use the first cone I see. For example should I turn hard left 10 feet 20 feet etc. before front left cone. Or maybe there is a better way to line up myself so when the 2 cones dissappear I can make the turn . Any suggestion you have . Would be helpful. You have been very helpful I appreciate it. One more question. My DMV test is coming in 2 weeks . So I need more time to practice can I use a long passenger van to practice alley docking offset etc. Thanks for your help once again
Hi Christian,
Are you stopping before you turn your wheel or are you turning as your backing? Are your mirrors set to FMVSS? All of these will have some bearing on this maneuver. Practice is generally quite helpful, though I’m not certain practicing with a van would be beneficial. You’ve got this…
@@SchoolBusSass thanks for the reply. I am usually stopping. Trying to find a reference point to stop and make my left turn into box. How far should I be from the left and right front cones in width ? And how far should a be in length where are I start my back up. It's not marked where I was training at. Maybe I am off in that area . when the cones dissappear in left mirror. And make my turn its brings me past the right front cone. Is there any suggestion you can give me as well to practice . On my own without a bus. I have a long van I could use but as you said it wouldn't help . I used up my 10 hours . I still don't feel comfortable taking the test. So I want to find away to practice on my own . The videos are helping me alot. Any suggestion would be helpful. Once again I appreciate you taking time helping me. My mirrors seem to be line up properly.
Good morning, Christian
When starting this maneuver, position the bus approximately 20’ to the left of the cones on the right, which indicate , the wall barrier. No part of your bus can cross this imaginary wall.
Are you allowed any, pull-ups (change of directions), without getting charged points while demonstrating the maneuver? In Ohio we get the first two, change of directions, with no deductions.
In addition to utilizing your lower left mirror to view the two forward cones of the alley dock parking space, you can also try looking in your student mirror as well. When the bumper of the bus visually appears to be adjacent to the forward set of cones, of the parking space, can also be a good reference point for when to start turning.
You have a set amount of time allotted to practice? Can you ask your, OBI for additional drive time? In Ohio, we must spend a minimum of 15 hours of drive time. My average time spent with a new driver is approximately 24…some lower, some higher, but can’t imagine trying to finish up in 10 hours. Yikes! . Sidetracked, sorry…back to you.
As for mirrors being set properly, I have a video, demonstration with a mirror grid. I will put the link below, that may help a bit as well.
If you’re overshooting the parking space, start to turn sooner. It is easier to correct overshooting, than when you turn too soon.
When do you take your test?
th-cam.com/video/h094bmzBGOo/w-d-xo.html
@@SchoolBusSass Thank you for the reply. When you the say the bumper of the bus. Should be adjacent to the forward front cones. When I back up I should line up the bumper with the front left cone ? . If I would look at it from my Mirrors backing up.
I am going to try and look threw my students mirrors. And see if the cones dissappear then. Turn it all the way left . In NJ we get 2 pull ups and 2 get out and look. The school gives us 12 hours then brings us to DMV.Its not enough time. Unless you have had experience already. My test is on Jan 10 . Most likely it will be on backing,offset parking and alley docking. Pre inspection and air brakes . I know once I get a good reference point it will help me alot. But I thank you for the time you spend replying And all the videos you put out. You are helping alot of people .
Christian, if you think it will help, I will do a live training session on alley docking. Let me know if you are interested. This could take place this Thursday, if you’d like.
Is there a reference point on when to start turning at the testing site? If not when do you start turning?
Unlike parallel parking, there is no precise moment to start turning. It will vary, based upon mirror placement, seat positioning, and driver size. I believe I have an updated alley dock video, which gives an idea on when to start turning. I tell new drivers to watch the two front cones of the box behind them, go straight back until they see the front cone of the box in the lower left mirror almost disappear from view, then start to turn, while continuing to back.
@@SchoolBusSass I'm asking alot of questions on different videos of yours because I test on Thursday so I'm a little nervous about the skills and road test
Ask away, Chris
I will try to help as much as I am able. Remember to breathe. You can do this.
If you believe it, you will achieve it.
@@SchoolBusSass so bumping a cone is just points not a automatic fail right? And also is scraping a curve points or a automatic fail? I know running up on the curve is a automatic fail. And I'm trying to breathe trust me LoL.
Yes, bumping a cone is points. Curbs are auto fails. I’m not sure what you mean curves. White lines are points in both maneuvers and the road test. Too fast and too slow are automatic fails as well. 11 miles over or under speed limit.
I hope your test went well yesterday!
this stuff is all fine and dandy but in real world driving there are no cones to support these methods.
Good morning, Ljoel. Thank you for your comment. The pivot points are what we are trying to teach each new driving student. The pivot points will be very close to what is being shown. The cones are there to practive maneuverabilities for new drivers, but the maneuvers will still function in much the same way in real word driving. I will try to post a video with a bus to the front and rear of a parking space to demonstrate the pivot points are the same. Think of the cones as being a vehicle to the front and rear. You would just be using bumpers as reference points, instead of cones. While I would not recomment practicing these maneuvers with vehicles, to make the experience more "real", the concept is the same and translates as such. I hope this helps.
We will never have to alley dock a school bus either though
Hi Shaun, I understand your point and agree...somewhat. We may not do an exact alley dock maneuver, but we do turn arounds all day long, which basically the reverse of what is shown here. We back to the right, not the left. The principle, however, is very similar. To be fair, semi drivers likely will never parallel park their trailers either. We, however are far more likely to parallel park our busses at some point in our driving career. I use this skill when I travel into larger cities with fewer options for parking.
I can do it.
But got so confused by this video...
Could you elaborate on what was confusing to you?
Therese Mileti Don't worry about it.
To have a mirror in the middle of the screen just confused me... As you know there are none in the middle of your windshield. They are actually on both side...
My dad showed me how to back a tractor with a wagon attached to it when i was not even a teen yet.
But personally that video just isn't for me... Have a good day!
You have a good day too. 😊
a lot of school buses but not enough schools.
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a joke.
she was good, but not enough information, there's no tech. teaching, no precise information on when and how much or exactly when to turn or what exactly to look for
also, there are no guidelines to look for
Hi Timothy...Thank you for your comment and feedback. I try to be as detailed as possible when I'm giving instructions on how to accomplish these maneuvers. Perhaps you have a few suggestions on how I could present this for better understanding. Happy New Year to you!