B/W Cynthia level 1 challenge w/ English commentary

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  • @BloodDripss
    @BloodDripss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i miss you slowflake. you were my favorite youtuber as a kid, would love to see even a small return. hope life is well for you

  • @FallingPicturesProductions
    @FallingPicturesProductions 10 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Cynthia: That's it. I'm done. Pokemon has lost it's purpose in life now. Come on boys. I hear that there's a bridge in this region we can jump off of.

    • @radityaf1700
      @radityaf1700 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @LOWFRAMEBLOX never too late buddy

    • @Christoph8
      @Christoph8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Spiritomb is a girl 😂

  • @fizzplease6742
    @fizzplease6742 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow!!! Great job with the commentary on this rather spectacular video--that was twelve minutes and I didn't notice the time passing at all! Man if only the commentary in the Colloseum games was that interesting.

  • @browncoatkevin
    @browncoatkevin 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The bane of my existence in Diamond was that Lucario - it type-trumped anything I threw at it until I made it Struggle itself down (thanks to 99 Revives).

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is incredible planning using features that weren't intended to be used this way. There's a video of a full sweep using a level 1 Aron in my favorites, if you want to see more Sturdy-induced WTFness.

  • @Burnft
    @Burnft 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the insight you added to the vid man; helped me make sense of how gloriously epic this achievement was.
    I officially quit pokemon on the grounds that I will never be as good.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Okay, I just found out the answer to the question I just asked: Serebii's wrong. Cynthia DOES have only one Full Restore. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but check out Giancarloparimango's video of the fight. Spiritomb, Eelektross and Lucario ALL end up hanging on with nearly nothing left, but only Spiritomb got the Full Restore treatment. And Giancarlo's guilty of a LOT of bad stuff, but trying the same fight over and over until Cynthia uses only one... what would the point be?

  • @Darkkefka
    @Darkkefka 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake Yeah..Vaporeon might get better with this as well.
    I'm worried about this sturdy thing...
    Doesn't Donphan learn Ice Shard and endever?? A nice way to suprise something that would normally KO it in 1 hit. This combo with Wish/Bliss may be a problem.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In Undella Town, which is a post-game area. Don't worry, it's not mandatory, it's one of these super-hard optional fights, though technically the E4 rematches are harder because you have to run a gauntlet of FIVE trainers with levels in the 70s.

  • @SouthHill_
    @SouthHill_ 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was truly, truly impressive. To even be able to come up with such tactics, which allows you to beat the whole team of a trainer with such high level pokemon, only with level one pokemon. Even though I just saw it right here, it is hard to believe.
    I bow to you AeroValkyrie, you are truly a genius among geniuses.

  • @yamatocannon1
    @yamatocannon1 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Arekai1404 yes there should be no cool moves or abbilities that can be counter by mearly switching out

  • @eeHalcyon
    @eeHalcyon 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @buckie92 Flail is constrained by the user's attack stat. At 1 HP remaining, it would be a very strong attack with 200 base power. However, since it's only a lv 1 pokemon using it, the damage done by the attack would be very little.

  • @zakattack6994
    @zakattack6994 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is amazing that AeroValkyrie came up with that idea. I hope he does more stuff like that.

  • @b3hold3r
    @b3hold3r 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Biglasers Magnemite is in the mineral egg category. The only pokémon in the no egg category are babies and legendaries.

  • @gigaslave
    @gigaslave 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sturdy + Leech Seed + mass entry hazards + Baiting? GENIUS!
    Props to Aerovalkyrie for figuring out this tactic, and props to you for adding commentary so we can figure out what's going on.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair, "ru" is how the letter L is pronounced in Japanese (see: Diaruga > Dialga). Besides, romanization can make names a little easier to pronounce. Which would you prefer, Boruterosu or Boltros? Besides, romanizing legendary names usually gives their names in English, only 5 of the 34 previously existing legendaries changed names from Japanese to English outside of romanization.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I take it you don't breed Pokémon too much then, eggs hatch at level 1 in gens 4 and 5. Fun thing is, I just explained why in my newest LP video (a flawed experience formula would make some Pokémon have negative experience at level 1, and it was only fixed in gen 4 for some reason).

  • @Kaikirith
    @Kaikirith 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @LastActionCowboy Bulbapedia's breeding article, under "Passing moves down" :
    "The Pokémon will start with any moves that it would learn by leveling up only if both parents know the move."
    This information is very easy to find if you take just a couple minutes to actually go look.

  • @DarkMarxSoul
    @DarkMarxSoul 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    This...Jesus. This is incredible. How much PLANNING went into this I don't even wanna know.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Actually, it's a good thing. This thing DESERVES to be seen. The Cottonee solo video response as well.

  • @eeHalcyon
    @eeHalcyon 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @JamesJimRaynor Leech seed also heals a percentage. The difference is that Leftovers and ingrain heal based on the user's total HP (1/16th) whereas leech seed heals based on the seeded pokemon's total HP (1/8th). It's a full heal in this case because the seeded Spiritomb has so much more HP than the lv 1.

  • @eeHalcyon
    @eeHalcyon 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @buckie92 Counter would only work if it's a physical attack. It does twice the damage done to the user, which would NOT be massive given how little HP a lv 1 pokemon has. Or does counter return damage that WOULD have been done? It might work in that case, but afaik it wouldn't do very much damage.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair, it was never purely a kids' game. The competitive aspect was so deep from day one, there was something for everyone even back then, even though that aspect of the game only really became mainstream with D/P's release and the possibility for battling anyone in the world through Wi-Fi (even though simulators have always beaten the pants off of cartridge battling, and probably always will).

  • @cazuke101
    @cazuke101 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @XCasperX666 probably because of how long the battle would take, I know for one I like to turn off the animations if I want to get through a battle quickly.

  • @KokuroSame
    @KokuroSame 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Thoraxe555 In B&W she's an optional boss. So once he found her he went and bred some pokemanz together into level ones with good move pools and items and took care of her that way.

  • @jjrudki
    @jjrudki 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Dimentube "Anyone" can do it if they copy the video, sure, but it was AeroValkyrie that looked into everything to make it possible, so it is still pretty amazing.

  • @Feratrox
    @Feratrox 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake I didn't mean it would make Shedinja totally invincible, but that it would protect it from all direct damage (but still be hit by Sandstorm and poison and stuff).

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's just one problem with that idea, though. Opponents' items are programmed to be used AUTOMATICALLY when certain circumstances are met. There's no ifs or buts, an item WILL be used 100% of the time when that happens. So how do you explain what happened now? Either Serebii's wrong, or something in the strategy is bypassing the Full Restores - which would happen all the time, since because all the damage done is indirect, there's no danger of low or high damage rolls occuring.

  • @Darkkefka
    @Darkkefka 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake wait a minute...
    So when Blissey uses wish, the receiver heals 300+HP???
    What happens if Pinceo/foretress get's Blissey's Wish bak to full health??
    Well..I'm not to knowleged with this new generation yet. I'm just Glad that Ninetails got a boost. She's my fav pokemon.

  • @harouki
    @harouki 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ubershyguy8 Not 100% sure on this, but it looks like it can Froslass and Probopass (Nose pass evolve) can be tutor'd to learn Pain Split, and both are in the same egg group. So maybe if you put them both in day care, a Nosepass that knows pain split can be born? In Soul Silver and Heart gold anyway

  • @LucarioFreakGamer
    @LucarioFreakGamer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow, this is the best pkmn battle i've ever seen! this guy does not need a training guide, he should BE one!! EPIC

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Popolin66. Another battle where three Pokémon are in the red, but only the first one gets healed. That's three of them.

  • @bokuzenkosugi
    @bokuzenkosugi 14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @Doublethree1 A "nuzlocke" run is a challenge run that some players choose to do. There are a few rules.. you have to catch the first Pokemon you find in a new area, and that's the ONLY Pokemon you can catch in that area. And if any Pokemon faints even once, you have to release it and raise a new one.
    That's about it, but it's pretty ha rd.

  • @xxpiepiepiexx
    @xxpiepiepiexx 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @eeHalcyon
    Lucario damages helmet and faints, Nosepass is at 1hp
    Wargle comes in and kills nosepass, because sturdy only works at full health.

  • @Saethori
    @Saethori 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @eeHalcyon Won't quite work. Trainers replace Pokemon *after* all the moves go through, so in this scenario Pain Split would 'miss' due to no target, and then Cynthia replaces the Lucario.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    No. The only thing that's kept when you switch in or out is permanent status, such as burn or sleep (except for Natural Cure users, obviously). Temporary statuses like Leech Seed or confusion go away when you switch.

  • @karatesoccerbaseball
    @karatesoccerbaseball 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    mad props to the guy who figured this all out...you have a lot of swag there buddy

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not really, remember that interview I mentioned in Platinum part 7? They said they've been working on B/W ever since D/P came out.

  • @Slugmabug
    @Slugmabug 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake I think it was lots of substitutes + leech seeds rather than sturdy

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably. Any direct hit would kill anything anyway, whether it's level 1 or level 30.

  • @watsonwrote
    @watsonwrote 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been thinking about making a serious stall team as opposed to my usual Mixed Sweep teams. I think I'll do that now.

  • @SJtheMFZB
    @SJtheMFZB 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed your comprehensive explanation of the video's events. Liked.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know, would it? I don't know if it's even possible to kill something with indirect damage, so maybe Sturdy wouldn't work on that.

  • @LagrimaArdiente
    @LagrimaArdiente 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. That was insanely brilliant. Props to AeroValkyrie.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know now, but back when I made this I believe it wasn't that well documented yet.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...how has this been flagged as spam BEFORE I approved it?
    And for that matter, since it appears the trolls are done, why am I still requiring approval? I'll fix it immediately.

  • @Kamon137
    @Kamon137 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    At about 3 minutes in, you mentioned that you would need a trap passer to use this strategy competitively. Just thought I should mention that it's impossible to baton pass Mean Look, Spider Web and Block as of Black/White.

  • @Feratrox
    @Feratrox 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake Would Sturdy work on a Shedinja as an improved Wonder Guard? Because it would hold on with 1 HP and still be at full HP etc.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Focus Sash ALWAYS disappears. In-game it's lost forever, but in the Battle Frontier or against a human player it comes back after the fight. Same as berries and other consumables.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    But the Focus Sash disappears after one use, so it doesn't work.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Or when the seeded Pokémon switches out, or uses Rapid Spin.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not done with White yet, I just got the ability to surf, so right now I'm going back to all the places I couldn't go to before. But so far it's great... three minor complaints would be the apparent lack of length of the main story compared to RSE and DPP, the bland map layout and yet another 150-Pokémon regional Dex, but otherwise I'm blown away. Prior to this I considered Platinum to be the perfect Pokémon package, but B/W dares to go where Platinum didn't in many departments.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    No, because Leftovers only heals a tiny fraction of your HP. Sturdy only kicks in if you're hit while at full HP, just like the Focus Sash.

  • @RedSalamander
    @RedSalamander 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @sonicheroable Actually, it's possible to catch Trapinch in the White Forest. It might not be available on your game because only 5 or 6 Pokemon will appear, and it's kind of random. But if you visit Black City through a Pokemon Black player's Entralink, you can change the wild Pokemon that appear in White Forest. At the same time, you would modify what trainers the Black player could find in Black City. It's kind of weird.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you ask me, it's amazing that he thought of this. It doesn't take the same kind of skill as most stuff in the game (or any game for that matter), but I think the ability to plan everything like that, exploiting every weakness the AI and game mechanics have, is a skill of its own.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    That wouldn't be possible, because several Pokémon are required to beat some of hers. However, it might be doable on an unpatched ROM, since you can't gain experience on that due to an anti-piracy measure.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I doubt it, because Sturdy didn't work that way in gen 4. Unless it was just six FEARs...?

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    No, because even if it doesn't trigger Sturdy, it ends up at 1 HP, so then Aron uses Endeavor, healing itself back to full with the Shell Bell while sandstorm finishes the job.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spiritomb stops all FEARs, whether it's Rattata, Phanpy, Cleffa, Aron or anything else, dead cold. Garchomp and Lucario also mean the end of any variant that relies on sandstorm.

  • @Dontrush469
    @Dontrush469 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am in love with the way you pronounce Girafarig.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Because Sucker Punch only works if the opponent uses a direct damage move, and off the top of my head I don't think one was used throughout the entire battle.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So? It can still be bred on a baby Shroomish if both parents already know it.

  • @buckie92
    @buckie92 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay, please answer me this. If you Baton Passed Ingrain to a level 1 Pokemon, would that strategy then work because of Sturdy? Pokemon gets attacked. Sturdy keeps it at 1 HP. Then you could have it use Counter or Flail to get massive damage. The, Ingrain heals you back up to full health.

  • @Thoraxe555
    @Thoraxe555 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake no, but dont you have to do the elite four before cynthia?

  • @XxGyalosxX
    @XxGyalosxX 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake after you beat the elite four, then you can access undella town where cynthia is chilling at her "Summer House".

  • @slurriel
    @slurriel 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    One question, does Sturdy in Gen 5 work when the user uses explosion? Like when a pokemon uses explosion having sturdy in gen 5, will it still kill it or will it remain with one hp?

  • @Jade192
    @Jade192 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ObscuroSknim1234 Not that much, a week after the game's release

  • @miunolove
    @miunolove 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @rowtow13 yeah, its in the video response

  • @MrMinemonBound
    @MrMinemonBound 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is actually your most viewed video. Congrats, even though it might not matter to you.

  • @BigBrotherMateyka
    @BigBrotherMateyka 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @IndigoDarkflame For Magnemite to get experience and to switch out so that the ghost Pokemon would make the first move and miss, allowing for the Girafarig to begin the madness. I think.

  • @Thejackel79
    @Thejackel79 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @buckie92 No since abilities dont get baton passed. Only stuff that disappears after a pokemon is returned to its pokeball gets baton passed

  • @slurriel
    @slurriel 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake goddammit >_>. I was sort of hoping for a double explosion/selfdestruct
    on the same pokemon. Think of the carnage you could probably do if that ever happened lol.

  • @orangeapples
    @orangeapples 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @WoodenZigzagoon when the AI is in a position where they can give a finishing attack, it will attack. with only 12 HP, the AI says, attack.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you even pay attention to what I was saying in the video? Of course there's a way to defeat her. It's called STRATEGY.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually, I like what they were going for from a competitive standpoint. It would've actually been pretty awesome had it not been for entry hazards, and the only immunity to the most common one comes from Magic Guard - and obviously you can't have two abilities at the same time.

  • @TempestDacine
    @TempestDacine 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love seeing how much they leveled up during that battle.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you even played the game? Cynthia's in a house in Undella Town, no hacks are involved at all. Seems like someone watched way too much GCPM.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apparently they tweaked the experience system a bit to reward fighting with a level disadvantage.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    It'd be the same damage you used to do with a single one, but over two turns, since they removed the defense-halving subroutine.

  • @Macrossuu
    @Macrossuu 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake i was directed here from dorky, so i just pressed fullscreen immediatley. Anyway, good job dude. :D

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You breed them, what else?

  • @ZekiraDrake
    @ZekiraDrake 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Think the guy could devise a plan to do this but with Hail + FEAR this time?

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That makes sense, because this strategy revolves around the fact that his Pokémon have incredibly low HP. Medium-HP Pokémon wouldn't be able to pull this off.

  • @729MendicantTide
    @729MendicantTide 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let me get one important thing straight. IT'S IN B/W, where you can find Cynthia in Undella Town during the spring/summer. You can only battle her in spring if you already have done so, once.

  • @CTL
    @CTL 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Soldier0Cross It looks like Magnemite finished Lucario off with Sonicboom, so maybe he wanted to ensure Magnemite would gain enough levels to learn it.

  • @josieley
    @josieley 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @aura12 i think it's any move that will one hit ko it that will leave it with 1 hp

  • @Darkkefka
    @Darkkefka 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Slowflake wow. skarmory just got a boost then. Immune to 1 turn KOs?? That's not fair!!
    Oh. I'm enjoying your platium LP. I'm LPing SS and Black/white myself.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would've pointed that out myself, but I'm the kind of guy who can't recognize a Chinese face from a Korean or Japanese one, so that would've been slightly hypocritical on my part. Besides, don't the Japanese have three different alphabets?

  • @FungtasticGaming
    @FungtasticGaming 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    k first of all, I have a few questions, why did her spiritomb not use Sucker Punch, how was her shroomish unaffected by Spiritomb's attacks, why didn't Spiritomb use Will-o-wisp on Girafarig if Shadow Ball didn't work? There are a lot of things you left out in the commentary.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is indeed, but beating a team in the mid-70s with level 1s is more impressive on paper.
    Besides, someone pointed out the main game portion of my Platinum LP was a heartbeat away from being a Nuzlocke, and it wasn't even intended as one

  • @haruyasumi616
    @haruyasumi616 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ninjaspiceattacks .... my mistake. i was thinking of diamond and pearl.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    I post-commentated this by fragments. Yes, I post-commentated. It's not an LP video, so it doesn't matter.

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you put Dialga's cry through a sound editor and mess around with it a bit, it comes pretty close.

  • @Doublethree1
    @Doublethree1 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy Crap! I wonder how long it took him to think up the stratigy. and only a week to do it too

  • @kite36
    @kite36 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    @shadowscrap666 Yeah but you are going to have to make sure the pokemon you want to have entry hazards on have them from the previous game since stuff like stealth rock isn't a TM anymore in BW and not alot of pokemon learn it at all in the game.

  • @supermariorick
    @supermariorick 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    AeroValkyrie is a master at using troll-licious techniques to defeat cynthia. toxic, spikes, toxic spikes, leech seed; these moves and protecting moves as well as the pokemon being level 1 (and it being better to heal that way) make this an amazing feat

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, Skarmory needed something, it partially got its throne usurped by Gliscor. Besides, someone improved a lot more on the grounds of old moves being changed, namely Blissey. Now that Wish is based on the user's HP instead of the receiver's, and that Explosion and Selfdestruct no longer temporarily halve defense... you do the math.

  • @FungtasticGaming
    @FungtasticGaming 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know what moveset Ducklett had?

  • @haruyasumi616
    @haruyasumi616 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    how are they getting to cynthia with just level ones? wouldn't they have to fight the other elite 4? which would make them level up

  • @Slowflake
    @Slowflake  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's your strategy?