I recently asked about overweightness of KMS ships in Dr. Clarke's recent live stream and he said it's mostly because of Germans tendency to over-engineer stuff. Is it true for Kaiserliege Marina too?
I was wondering why. Cause I woke up this Sunday morning wondering what happened to you. You are travelling to Upsode down land. I didn't watch that trip vid
Thanks for answering my "Why silk propellant bags?" question! Fun fact: My brother heard your answer and called me up to tell me! Your videos are bringing families together!
Drach, I think you forgot to multiply the number of salvos by the number of guns for Massachusetts's weight reduction in combat. Fifty nine-gun salvoes like you said would be 450 shells; assuming they're all Mark VIII AP, that works out to about 542 (long) tons of weight, not 60. So you'd need to add about 480 tons to the weight reduction you calculated, meaning about six inches of draft, not 1.5 inches.
15:15 On the topic of how the most-common usage of a word changes over time, my dad (American) has a fun story. When he was young and in school, one of the standardized tests which he took asked the simple question: "What does the word 'terrific' mean?" The issue is that in the 1960's in the USA, you could still find many people (generally over the age of ~50 at that time) who would respond that 'terrific' means 'scary, intimidating, inspiring of terror.' However, most people under that age would respond that 'terrific' means 'great, excellent, wonderful, etc.' So, since he didn't know the age of the person who would be grading his test, he had to guess which of the two equally-valid meanings would be considered 'correct.'
00:44:00 while taking a guided tour on USS Missouri the guide had a fair amount of potshots to the movie Battleship. She, like Drach, said that it would take at least 12 hours to get enough steam to get moving. And that is assuming that the ship is in the readiness state to get going in the first place, which Missouri is certainly not. Besides that, the amount of crew they are able to muster in the movie is barely enough to fully man one or two turrets and nothing else besides that. There is so much wrong with the plausibility of the movie I could go on for quite a bit. But if you are willing to put up with the huge mountain of nonsense then it is quite entertaining. After all, it’s a battleship shooting it’s big sticks, which I guess we all love to see 😉
Plot armor (which includes in this case plot fuel, plot ammunition, etc.). They specify that both are limited to preserve a sense of plausibility and keep the tension high, and we are supposed to bite on those and leave the technical details aside. "Never let the truth get the in the way of a good story." (Mark Twain).
For the "not enough steam fast enough part" my little theory is that the veterans saw what was going on and slowly began making the battleship ready, not that it makes much more sense but then again its a movie with aliens fighting against destroyers and battleships, sense is not something you should expect
To be fair, you can run a ship for a short time on far fewer personnel than not, as there are only so many stations that require a person to be physically at them to perform the basic functions like turning valves on the engine, activating the switches for gun mechanisms, and so on. If you are trying to move USS Missouri and fire its main guns for a few hours, you can do it with far fewer than the 2,500 personnel who normally manned it. What you can't do is perform the maintenance of systems and personnel to allow the ship to function for more than a few hours or days. Systems need constant cleaning, checking, and other things that can't be done by the guys who are busying working wheels, switches, and levers. Also definitely won't go long before the personnel start getting hungry and unhealthy for want of sanitation and victualing. So if all you need is to get a BB sailing and shooting for a short time, then you can get away with some hundreds, as opposed to the many hundreds, but you wouldn't want to do so for more than a matter of hours, maybe days at most.
In watchmaking, a flirt is a piece that can selectively link two gear trains together in s watch with an independent seconds train. It links the 4th wheel to the device that turns several beats per second into one, w/r/t the movement of the seconds hand.
The Flirt was an interesting ship. Really tiny destroyer (380 ton), built in 1897, but would do 30 knots. Lost in battle with the Imperial German Navy. Sunk with all hands, except for some crew out in boats picking up survivors. Would make a great T-Shirt. The HMS Flirt.
The Flower Classes (both the WWI sloops and WWII corvettes) is a treasure trove of great names. Imagine your submarine being sunk by the Buttercup, Bluebell, Snowdrop, Petunia, Pansy, Azalea, etc. They are just so weird for a warship that they are awesome.
It is of course compulsory, whenever anyone mentions flower class names, to mention that the WW2 HMS Pansy was renamed Heartsease while still on the slipway, because it meant male homosexual, and the Admiralty got all embarrassed.
Yes but I remember tuning in a couple of years back and thinking how uniquely English, intelligent and quick witted even then but I will agree with you of course because here we are and loving it still. Best wishes 🙏 😉
Thanks for making these i listen to them on my hour drive to work in the morning. Nothing beats hearing random tidbits on naval history in the morning commute
I remember those commutes. I remember sitting in traffic, thinking...."If this car doesn't move before the next question get's asked, I am gonna road rage like there's no tomorrow."
From waking me up Sunday to keeping me up Sunday. No problem. I'm on vacation. Hoping your Australia adventure is totally awesome! Along with Gardener Scott, Drachinifel is my favorite. Just a thing
wrt the North Carolina switch from 14" to 16", a nugget I picked up in b-school, more decades ago than I care to contemplate, is "failing to plan, is planning to fail". Given that the US is credited with the inclusion of the gun size escalator clause in Second London, and given that Japan had already given notice it was withdrawing from the treaty, it was almost certain that the clause would be triggered. I expect that the clause being triggered was what the US was planning for, designing the ships for 16", with a set of mods to be implemented if they were surprised by Japan rejoining the treaty system.
When I took the behind the scenes tour in the Missouri, they told us that they operated at the same weight all the time. As they burned fuel and expended ammunition, they ballasted down with water.
15:40 And 'awful' itself has undergone a huge shift from its original meaning (and spelling) of 'awe-ful' -- something that engendered awe in the viewer and causing dread, from the early meaning of 'awe', which included 'fear' and 'terror'. 31:00 A quote from 2V-R8, the Imperial ship droid companion in SWTOR: "I've just completed cleaning the fuel injectors for the sublight engines. You should notice a .00008% increase in power." There are enough other variables affecting the turns-to-speed curve on a battleship that it would probably take a lot more expenditure of consumables to be noticeable.
Re: single gun mounts on US DDs, the torpedo was the weapon they planned to make all the attacks with - so the ratio of torpedo to gun on the deck makes a bit more sense. Another viewer mentions the ability to operate the mount w/out power, too. Great job, love the videos!
The mark 14 had multiple small problems that were aside from the magnetic detonator were easy to fix. Unfortunately BuOrd refuse to admit that there were any problems with their beautiful new torpedoes.
@@Ron52G When I deactivated the magnetic detonator the torpedo stop blowing up prematurely. The impact detonator firing pin was too heavy for the spring originally installed. Lighter firing pins were used to fix existing stocks torpedoes in forward depots but new torpedoes got more powerful springs this probably means some got both. The running deep problem was solved by moving the pressure sensor from the aft cone where passing through the water lowered the pressure to the side where velocity doesn't effect pressure. The other deep run phenomena was solved by informing the submarine crews about the maximum rate at which the torpedo would move to the surface probably with a chart of depth of launch to minimum engagement range. The torpedoes circling back on the boat shot them (this was not shared with the Mark XV) was solved by setting a maximum angle off bore that torpedoes could be shot at. The Mark XV had bigger propellant tanks and a limiter on maximum rudder deflection. After WWII the magnetic detonator was fixed primarily telling crews how they worked and how to adjust them to the local strength of earth's magnetic field. All the problems could and should have been found and fixed before the USofA entered WWII. This is why I think several officers at BuOrd should have been put against a wall and shot.
Drachinifel, please be advised, when you arrive in Australia you do not have to hang on for dear life. On arrival you will automatically be issued magnetic shoes to keep you firmly anchored in place.
Speaking as a long-time resident of Albany, let me just say I'm glad we wound up with the Slater as a museum ship instead of CA-123, which I refuse to use the proper name of. There was a serious possibility of that nautical eyesore winding up moored here forever, and as it was it took till 1990 for them to finally concede they couldn't afford to maintain her for museum duty and scrap her instead. How that thing didn't roll over the first time she caught a cross-breeze is beyond me. There is something very appropriate about our "city" cruiser being rendered hideous and awkward-looking through a poorly-conceived conversion, though. Take a look at the entirely out-of-place Empire State Plaza squatting uncomfortably in place of the residential neighborhoods it replaced. At least as inappropriate to the rest of the city's architecture as the cruiser's refitted superstructure.
Rich, there's a reason it looks like that. Read my post. Go visit the USS LITTLE ROCK in Buffalo, and you'll see why she ended up looking so beautiful 😮. Visit the Talos missle handling area. And Albany might have been equipped to handle/house more missles at once due to being a fleet defence ship.
@@TerryDowne It most assuredly was. Around here the Corning Tower (tallest building in the state outside of NYC last I checked) is mockingly known as his Biggest Erection (as opposed to his Last Erection, which is the water tower on the SUMY Albany campus).
I watched a video of an old British ( I think it was a '30's cruise ship ) that they were restarting from a dead cold state ( it was a refit ). The guy said it took them 3 full days to safely, slowly warm up all the systems.
@ 44:00 Most of the Destroyers at Pearl Harbor were in "nests" with one moored to a Mooring Buoy, and the others tied to the first ship. So all of them had to have at least 1 boiler lit off....
The Armada was ships made for Mediterranean conditions and facing off seaworthy ships on their hometurf. Knowing conditions and currents is imperative. Big riggs create deadwind leeways and half the fleet is floundering.
I have infinity more respect for your Royal Navy ship naming process than what is going over here “across the pond” with our corrupt politicians constantly violating our naming laws for new US Navy ship commissioning. Hypothetical example: Liberal Senator Smith uses his or her political pull to have a newly launched guided missile cruiser named after a liberal icon (usually politically charged) personality from recent history instead of the legally required name of an American city. It’s really a stupid embarrassing mess. You’re so much better off with HMS Wine Cork or HMS Taciturn or whatever, than the way our politicians use our vessels as disgusting political billboards.
Thank-you Mr Drach, 53:06; I'd long felt a question remained outstanding (from Nelson layout discussions), of whether deck-A & B, super-C, could bring all guns to bear at longer range forward arcs. Curiosity satisfied )
I'm assuming that when you refer to the Massachusetts engaging a post dreadnaught battleship that you are referring to Jean Bart? That part wasn't clear from your answer to the question. Thank you for all of your hard work I really appreciate it.
In addition to warming up the machinery, starting a ship using residual fuel from cold requires warming up the fuel for several hours to make it flow at a rate faster than molasses in January.
Misspoke as to Drake (which wasn't one as you pointed out), but the class in question has been referred to by four put of the five names of ships in the class. 😀
HMS Terrible: In Louis L'amore western novels he frequently had people telling an Easterner character that another character, sometimes the protagonist, was known as a 'bad man' and that did not mean 'evil' but 'a bad man to pick a fight with'.
Cf. Galadriel's soliloquy in The Fellowship of the Ring (it was tweaked a bit for time in the movie, but all the keywords are there, IIRC) about what she'd do with the One Ring: "... And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"* The RN was using the word in that sense. Also see "awesome" -- now it means "cool/bitchin/hella rad" or the like, but originally it meant, y'know, literally inspiring awe/ display of incomprehensible power. *and then she turns back to normal, gives it back and basically says "Yeah, that's why I shouldn't have it."
The current record holder for a known wreck is the Sammy B. Her guns are inplace from what ive seen. It will be interesting to see just what condition any of the wrecks from Samar are in if they wound up falling all the way into the trench. They vould have fallen str as ight to the bottom or impacted th he trench wall on the way down.
I’ll say that Hood looked the best in 1937-1939. I have a unhealthy contempt for the May 1940 Refit that decided to remove all the 5.5” guns for 3 more twin 4” guns plus 5 UP mounts. It would not look as bad if they actually plated all the lower deck openings for the 5.5” guns. They did play over the forward openings for the forward 2 pairs. But for some ridiculous reason they left the amidships openings untouched. This causes her to look off and empty to an extent.
What a pity that the battleship HMS Camperdown wasn't fitted with a Lacoste ship brake ... though if she had one, I can imagine Tryon trying to do doughnuts in her. Purely in a spirit of tactical research, naturally.
I always thought the Royal Navy ruled the name game even with so many absolutely bonkers ship monikers. “HMS Cockchafer”…..are you serious?! But then you have ship names like the Warspite and the Iron Duke. How can any nation top that? Admittedly, USS Shangri-La was a fun name on several different levels.
Do you know what a Cockchafer is? It is a species of beetle, specifically Melolontha melolontha, other names include Maybug, Maybeetle and Doodlebug, and yes, there is a REASON the British people of WWII named the V1 doodlebug, because from a distance the sound the rocket motor made was very similar to the distinctive sound of a flying Cockchafer. Not quite so risque when you actually know what it is is it? The ship was named after a beetle that is common in the UK in Spring and summer, it is not named after something that chafes the penis.....
The difference between the US and Japanese approach to treaty dodging is that the japanese always intended to break the treaty. The US, anticipating this, built in contingency plans.
Drach, I saw your earlier post about some "planned" activities down here in Oz, is there a final version you can show us, as I am sure many of us would like to catch up with you?
Drach, WOW! USS ALBANY CG10 is unbelievably a hodgepodge thrown together. But after touring the USS LITTLE ROCK with Shane Stevenson and seeing the complexity of the missle assembly, storage, and handling system, launching systems now, you have to add tracking and targeting radars it gets more awkward to navigate over these systems. And then same goes for the aft section, so you have to raise the twin stacks and you end up withe ugly duckling. I think they should have gone to a single stack.
About speed increase because of expended ordinance, I think Drach is ignoring the weight of shells expended. Each super heavy 16" shell weighs about 1.2 tons! At 9 shells per full salvo, 50 salvos equals over 500 tons!
There were actually a lot of proposals for extending the Iowas’ gun range. I’m not sure if there were any rocket-assisted projectiles in the works, but there were designs for 13” and 11” sub-caliber saboted rounds, the latter of which would have had a range of 48 miles or 84,000 yards (maybe even more in a later proposal made in 1991 but never developed). Rocket assist would have extended this even further, but to the best of my knowledge, this was not discussed. I think there was some discussion of using a sub-caliber 8” shell, which probably could have been extended out to 100 miles. But at that point there might be barrel wear concerns. There’s also the issue of accuracy. Even if you stick to shore bombardment, accuracy over 35,000 yards isn’t great. Double that range and it’s just bad, unless the shells are guided. I believe there was a program for that too, but at the time, no guidance system could withstand being fired from a high velocity naval gun. Obviously we can do that today with a 6-inch artillery piece, so it should be possible for a bigger gun too, but it wasn’t possible for about 10 years after the ships were decommissioned.
Nice to hear the word was 'engaged' and not 'fought' for the Mass. Bart was hardly a fight. You might as well ask what was the last one to engage a quay, warehouse, and a truck or two while not actually get sunk by an unfinished floating battery moored near that location. I've read the stories and have not been impressed by that engagement, just like the book by a USS Washington officer who recounted his visit and review of the data behind the action report the day after the SDAK claimed it shot down all those planes (but really didn't).
In terms of ugly ships, I personally give the cold war era conversions a pass. Everyone back then was doing weird things with ship design, and they have a certain charm to them. You want to see ugly, look at the Soviet modernizations of former Tsarist ships.
@@Drachinifel Well Wikipedia, the inerrant and authoritative source of all knowledge and wisdom, does label the Mikasa as the "Japanese battleship Mikasa", however, I get your point. Thank you for the reply and your awesome channel.
Still waiting for HMS DingleBerry. That sounds English enough. Or maybe even FV Japanese Torpedo Boat. I also heard tell of a new Japanese class called Fishing Torpedo Trawler Boat. FTTB. It's used to attract fire from clueless enemies and bait them into war-crimes
Speaking of schoolboy giggling, I was listening to a TTRPG vid the other day (Traveller, of all things) and the comments were full of jokes about pinnaces. Apparently being able to pronounce it so it doesn't sound like "penis" is a shibboleth for identifying clueless idiot landlubbers.
Why do you always seem to wear vests? Are the armored? Drach always has the fashion. A waistcoat would suit you more. Why do u wear vests? Is your body cold and your arms warm?
Cold in England. The British like it that way. I remember aviation historian Bill Gunston (a former RAF pilot) saying that the first thing the RAF did with ex-American bases it got back after World War Twice was to shut down the central heating
Massachusetts is the only battleship left to have fought another post-Dreadnought battleship…while the latter was incomplete and immobile. Not much to talk about to be honest.
Oh there is a good reason to have helicopter ships. Dad was in the army on USNS Corpus Christi Bay, formally USS Albemarle Curtis sea plane tender, during Vietnam. The ship was a secured way to have a full repair shop for the helicopters damaged so bad that they would need to be taken back to their manufacturer to be repaired. Quite useful actually. Be nice to have a video on USS Albemarle. Maybe you and Rex could wrangle out just how useful such ships and their aircraft were in WW2 during their operations.🤔 If you could mention the old girl in all her three eras of service maybe you could bring a tear to my old man's eye for his service on board USNS Corpus Christi Bay.🥲👍🏻
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Apologies for the late release, turns out there is no onboard WiFi on Qantas aircraft!
Hope you have a great trip!
I recently asked about overweightness of KMS ships in Dr. Clarke's recent live stream and he said it's mostly because of Germans tendency to over-engineer stuff. Is it true for Kaiserliege Marina too?
I was wondering why. Cause I woke up this Sunday morning wondering what happened to you.
You are travelling to Upsode down land. I didn't watch that trip vid
Will you do make a video on French frigate design in the napoleonic era
No worries Drach
Your awesome
Thanks for answering my "Why silk propellant bags?" question!
Fun fact: My brother heard your answer and called me up to tell me! Your videos are bringing families together!
Drach, I think you forgot to multiply the number of salvos by the number of guns for Massachusetts's weight reduction in combat. Fifty nine-gun salvoes like you said would be 450 shells; assuming they're all Mark VIII AP, that works out to about 542 (long) tons of weight, not 60. So you'd need to add about 480 tons to the weight reduction you calculated, meaning about six inches of draft, not 1.5 inches.
15:15 On the topic of how the most-common usage of a word changes over time, my dad (American) has a fun story. When he was young and in school, one of the standardized tests which he took asked the simple question: "What does the word 'terrific' mean?" The issue is that in the 1960's in the USA, you could still find many people (generally over the age of ~50 at that time) who would respond that 'terrific' means 'scary, intimidating, inspiring of terror.' However, most people under that age would respond that 'terrific' means 'great, excellent, wonderful, etc.' So, since he didn't know the age of the person who would be grading his test, he had to guess which of the two equally-valid meanings would be considered 'correct.'
00:44:00 while taking a guided tour on USS Missouri the guide had a fair amount of potshots to the movie Battleship. She, like Drach, said that it would take at least 12 hours to get enough steam to get moving. And that is assuming that the ship is in the readiness state to get going in the first place, which Missouri is certainly not. Besides that, the amount of crew they are able to muster in the movie is barely enough to fully man one or two turrets and nothing else besides that.
There is so much wrong with the plausibility of the movie I could go on for quite a bit. But if you are willing to put up with the huge mountain of nonsense then it is quite entertaining. After all, it’s a battleship shooting it’s big sticks, which I guess we all love to see 😉
Plot armor (which includes in this case plot fuel, plot ammunition, etc.). They specify that both are limited to preserve a sense of plausibility and keep the tension high, and we are supposed to bite on those and leave the technical details aside. "Never let the truth get the in the way of a good story." (Mark Twain).
For the "not enough steam fast enough part" my little theory is that the veterans saw what was going on and slowly began making the battleship ready, not that it makes much more sense but then again its a movie with aliens fighting against destroyers and battleships, sense is not something you should expect
I was a Corpsman aboard a warship and I can confirm my shipmates booger-mattress smells like Rihanna s Vagine
To be fair, you can run a ship for a short time on far fewer personnel than not, as there are only so many stations that require a person to be physically at them to perform the basic functions like turning valves on the engine, activating the switches for gun mechanisms, and so on. If you are trying to move USS Missouri and fire its main guns for a few hours, you can do it with far fewer than the 2,500 personnel who normally manned it.
What you can't do is perform the maintenance of systems and personnel to allow the ship to function for more than a few hours or days. Systems need constant cleaning, checking, and other things that can't be done by the guys who are busying working wheels, switches, and levers. Also definitely won't go long before the personnel start getting hungry and unhealthy for want of sanitation and victualing.
So if all you need is to get a BB sailing and shooting for a short time, then you can get away with some hundreds, as opposed to the many hundreds, but you wouldn't want to do so for more than a matter of hours, maybe days at most.
I enjoyed the movie, but I suspect plausibility was not a high priority for it's writers and it's director.
HMS Squirrel or HMS Flirt are some of my favorite ship names. The RN had great names.
HMS Flirt sounds great
In watchmaking, a flirt is a piece that can selectively link two gear trains together in s watch with an independent seconds train. It links the 4th wheel to the device that turns several beats per second into one, w/r/t the movement of the seconds hand.
The Flirt was an interesting ship. Really tiny destroyer (380 ton), built in 1897, but would do 30 knots. Lost in battle with the Imperial German Navy. Sunk with all hands, except for some crew out in boats picking up survivors. Would make a great T-Shirt. The HMS Flirt.
The Flower Classes (both the WWI sloops and WWII corvettes) is a treasure trove of great names.
Imagine your submarine being sunk by the Buttercup, Bluebell, Snowdrop, Petunia, Pansy, Azalea, etc. They are just so weird for a warship that they are awesome.
It is of course compulsory, whenever anyone mentions flower class names, to mention that the WW2 HMS Pansy was renamed Heartsease while still on the slipway, because it meant male homosexual, and the Admiralty got all embarrassed.
drach, i believe this series has gotten way way better since you started it. great growth over time!
Yes but I remember tuning in a couple of years back and thinking how uniquely English, intelligent and quick witted even then but I will agree with you of course because here we are and loving it still. Best wishes 🙏 😉
I still recall the computer voiced videos and utterly hating them lol
Thanks for making these i listen to them on my hour drive to work in the morning. Nothing beats hearing random tidbits on naval history in the morning commute
Cool! It’s opposite for me. I work graveyard and when I get off work Sunday mornings I listen during the drive home.
I remember those commutes.
I remember sitting in traffic, thinking...."If this car doesn't move before the next question get's asked, I am gonna road rage like there's no tomorrow."
@@Kevin_Kennelly the best part for me is that I work in a rural hospital so my hour drive is just because of distance no traffic.
From waking me up Sunday to keeping me up Sunday. No problem. I'm on vacation. Hoping your Australia adventure is totally awesome! Along with Gardener Scott, Drachinifel is my favorite. Just a thing
wrt the North Carolina switch from 14" to 16", a nugget I picked up in b-school, more decades ago than I care to contemplate, is "failing to plan, is planning to fail". Given that the US is credited with the inclusion of the gun size escalator clause in Second London, and given that Japan had already given notice it was withdrawing from the treaty, it was almost certain that the clause would be triggered. I expect that the clause being triggered was what the US was planning for, designing the ships for 16", with a set of mods to be implemented if they were surprised by Japan rejoining the treaty system.
Yaaaa! I was thinking you’re on a flight today and we might not get it all. This is a pleasant surprise. Thanks Drach!
Been awhile since I seen a dry dock TH-cam is directing me back to the good stuff howdy boys
When I took the behind the scenes tour in the Missouri, they told us that they operated at the same weight all the time. As they burned fuel and expended ammunition, they ballasted down with water.
That’s a neat little tidbit about that ship. Nice
250 congrats on that
15:40 And 'awful' itself has undergone a huge shift from its original meaning (and spelling) of 'awe-ful' -- something that engendered awe in the viewer and causing dread, from the early meaning of 'awe', which included 'fear' and 'terror'.
31:00 A quote from 2V-R8, the Imperial ship droid companion in SWTOR: "I've just completed cleaning the fuel injectors for the sublight engines. You should notice a .00008% increase in power." There are enough other variables affecting the turns-to-speed curve on a battleship that it would probably take a lot more expenditure of consumables to be noticeable.
Best song ever. Great opening.
Sundays are not the same without you!
Re: single gun mounts on US DDs, the torpedo was the weapon they planned to make all the attacks with - so the ratio of torpedo to gun on the deck makes a bit more sense. Another viewer mentions the ability to operate the mount w/out power, too. Great job, love the videos!
The mark 14 had multiple small problems that were aside from the magnetic detonator were easy to fix. Unfortunately BuOrd refuse to admit that there were any problems with their beautiful new torpedoes.
It was when they deactivated the magnetic exploder that the did problem became the worst.
They finally figured out the firing pin was to heavy.
@@Ron52G
When I deactivated the magnetic detonator the torpedo stop blowing up prematurely.
The impact detonator firing pin was too heavy for the spring originally installed. Lighter firing pins were used to fix existing stocks torpedoes in forward depots but new torpedoes got more powerful springs this probably means some got both.
The running deep problem was solved by moving the pressure sensor from the aft cone where passing through the water lowered the pressure to the side where velocity doesn't effect pressure. The other deep run phenomena was solved by informing the submarine crews about the maximum rate at which the torpedo would move to the surface probably with a chart of depth of launch to minimum engagement range.
The torpedoes circling back on the boat shot them (this was not shared with the Mark XV) was solved by setting a maximum angle off bore that torpedoes could be shot at. The Mark XV had bigger propellant tanks and a limiter on maximum rudder deflection.
After WWII the magnetic detonator was fixed primarily telling crews how they worked and how to adjust them to the local strength of earth's magnetic field.
All the problems could and should have been found and fixed before the USofA entered WWII. This is why I think several officers at BuOrd should have been put against a wall and shot.
Drachinifel, please be advised, when you arrive in Australia you do not have to hang on for dear life. On arrival you will automatically be issued magnetic shoes to keep you firmly anchored in place.
So that’s how they do it.
Hopefully not Mark XIV magnetic shoes like Admiral Christie invented? 😂
Speaking as a long-time resident of Albany, let me just say I'm glad we wound up with the Slater as a museum ship instead of CA-123, which I refuse to use the proper name of. There was a serious possibility of that nautical eyesore winding up moored here forever, and as it was it took till 1990 for them to finally concede they couldn't afford to maintain her for museum duty and scrap her instead.
How that thing didn't roll over the first time she caught a cross-breeze is beyond me.
There is something very appropriate about our "city" cruiser being rendered hideous and awkward-looking through a poorly-conceived conversion, though. Take a look at the entirely out-of-place Empire State Plaza squatting uncomfortably in place of the residential neighborhoods it replaced. At least as inappropriate to the rest of the city's architecture as the cruiser's refitted superstructure.
Rich, there's a reason it looks like that. Read my post. Go visit the USS LITTLE ROCK in Buffalo, and you'll see why she ended up looking so beautiful 😮. Visit the Talos missle handling area. And Albany might have been equipped to handle/house more missles at once due to being a fleet defence ship.
I have heard that the Empire State Plaza was Rocky's way of giving the middle finger to Dan O'Connell.
@@TerryDowne It most assuredly was. Around here the Corning Tower (tallest building in the state outside of NYC last I checked) is mockingly known as his Biggest Erection (as opposed to his Last Erection, which is the water tower on the SUMY Albany campus).
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I watched a video of an old British ( I think it was a '30's cruise ship ) that they were restarting from a dead cold state ( it was a refit ). The guy said it took them 3 full days to safely, slowly warm up all the systems.
So much for bed...it isn't 11:44 pm or anything. You're killing me Drach.
The painting of the Bismarck is REVERSED and frankly I'm enraged.
@ 44:00 Most of the Destroyers at Pearl Harbor were in "nests" with one moored to a Mooring Buoy, and the others tied to the first ship. So all of them had to have at least 1 boiler lit off....
Thought Drach was taking a weekend off. We will be here Drach.
The Armada was ships made for Mediterranean conditions and facing off seaworthy ships on their hometurf. Knowing conditions and currents is imperative. Big riggs create deadwind leeways and half the fleet is floundering.
Safe journey and have a great timr
HMS Rotting Corpse? I was laughing out loud at that one…. Maybe it was just the way Drach said it ( 14:20 )😂
Me too 😂 it'd make a great flagship for a zombie flick.
Corps - as in VIII Corps - come from the same root as corpse. A Middle French word meaning body. An Corps de Armee is a body of troops
Then perhaps, in honour of a minor recurring character from heartwarming true Yorkshire literature, we should have HMS Mallock?
I have infinity more respect for your Royal Navy ship naming process than what is going over here “across the pond” with our corrupt politicians constantly violating our naming laws for new US Navy ship commissioning. Hypothetical example: Liberal Senator Smith uses his or her political pull to have a newly launched guided missile cruiser named after a liberal icon (usually politically charged) personality from recent history instead of the legally required name of an American city. It’s really a stupid embarrassing mess. You’re so much better off with HMS Wine Cork or HMS Taciturn or whatever, than the way our politicians use our vessels as disgusting political billboards.
Thank-you Mr Drach, 53:06; I'd long felt a question remained outstanding (from Nelson layout discussions), of whether deck-A & B, super-C, could bring all guns to bear at longer range forward arcs. Curiosity satisfied )
I'm assuming that when you refer to the Massachusetts engaging a post dreadnaught battleship that you are referring to Jean Bart? That part wasn't clear from your answer to the question. Thank you for all of your hard work I really appreciate it.
Well, I probably won't be seeing you unless you come to Townsville for some reason. Have a good trip Drach!
In addition to warming up the machinery, starting a ship using residual fuel from cold requires warming up the fuel for several hours to make it flow at a rate faster than molasses in January.
Fuel for a steamship requires it to be kept warm at all times or it solidifies, diesel does not
11:10 I don’t know why he said Drake class when it’s the Hawkins-class cruiser that HMS Effingham and HMS Vindictive/Cavendish is a part of
Misspoke as to Drake (which wasn't one as you pointed out), but the class in question has been referred to by four put of the five names of ships in the class. 😀
Aka the Elizabethans
HMS Terrible: In Louis L'amore western novels he frequently had people telling an Easterner character that another character, sometimes the protagonist, was known as a 'bad man' and that did not mean 'evil' but 'a bad man to pick a fight with'.
Cf. Galadriel's soliloquy in The Fellowship of the Ring (it was tweaked a bit for time in the movie, but all the keywords are there, IIRC) about what she'd do with the One Ring: "... And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!"* The RN was using the word in that sense.
Also see "awesome" -- now it means "cool/bitchin/hella rad" or the like, but originally it meant, y'know, literally inspiring awe/ display of incomprehensible power.
*and then she turns back to normal, gives it back and basically says "Yeah, that's why I shouldn't have it."
Thanks Drach
I know I've been watching Drach for a long time when I can actually answer some of these questions.
@12:55 a specific insect class comes to mind
I don’t think there is anything odd about HMS Tarantula
The Danube River Gunboats?
„HMS Rotting Corpse“ 🤣
Welcome to our corner of the world Drach.
The current record holder for a known wreck is the Sammy B. Her guns are inplace from what ive seen. It will be interesting to see just what condition any of the wrecks from Samar are in if they wound up falling all the way into the trench. They vould have fallen str as ight to the bottom or impacted th he trench wall on the way down.
I’ll say that Hood looked the best in 1937-1939. I have a unhealthy contempt for the May 1940
Refit that decided to remove all the 5.5” guns for 3 more twin 4” guns plus 5 UP mounts. It would not look as bad if they actually plated all the lower deck openings for the 5.5” guns. They did play over the forward openings for the forward 2 pairs. But for some ridiculous reason they left the amidships openings untouched. This causes her to look off and empty to an extent.
What a pity that the battleship HMS Camperdown wasn't fitted with a Lacoste ship brake ... though if she had one, I can imagine Tryon trying to do doughnuts in her.
Purely in a spirit of tactical research, naturally.
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Another matter entirely :.. for a future long form video?
I always thought the Royal Navy ruled the name game even with so many absolutely bonkers ship monikers. “HMS Cockchafer”…..are you serious?!
But then you have ship names like the Warspite and the Iron Duke. How can any nation top that?
Admittedly, USS Shangri-La was a fun name on several different levels.
Do you know what a Cockchafer is?
It is a species of beetle, specifically Melolontha melolontha, other names include Maybug, Maybeetle and Doodlebug, and yes, there is a REASON the British people of WWII named the V1 doodlebug, because from a distance the sound the rocket motor made was very similar to the distinctive sound of a flying Cockchafer.
Not quite so risque when you actually know what it is is it? The ship was named after a beetle that is common in the UK in Spring and summer, it is not named after something that chafes the penis.....
As a battleship burns fuel don't they replace the liquid with seawater to maintain their trim and TDS liquid loading?
I'd like to petition the UK government for an HMS Rotting Corpse
I've got my Torpedo Boats shirt. Very much confuses my Army buddies, lol
The difference between the US and Japanese approach to treaty dodging is that the japanese always intended to break the treaty. The US, anticipating this, built in contingency plans.
Drach,
I saw your earlier post about some "planned" activities down here in Oz, is there a final version you can show us, as I am sure many of us would like to catch up with you?
Final version was released as video and text on Sunday :)
Nice to watch a fact based channel on You tube.
Ta-Ta-Ta-Daaa! Today (June 6th) is the 79th anniversary of D-Day, Operation Overlord, the start of the liberation of Europe at Normandy, France.
Drachinifel being gods chosen powder handling man had me laughing out loud.
Drach, WOW! USS ALBANY CG10 is unbelievably a hodgepodge thrown together. But after touring the USS LITTLE ROCK with Shane Stevenson and seeing the complexity of the missle assembly, storage, and handling system, launching systems now, you have to add tracking and targeting radars it gets more awkward to navigate over these systems. And then same goes for the aft section, so you have to raise the twin stacks and you end up withe ugly duckling. I think they should have gone to a single stack.
Maybe it means I’m acting like a 12 year old, but I do like the name Gay Archer
"HMS Rotting Corpse"! Thanks for the laugh.
About speed increase because of expended ordinance, I think Drach is ignoring the weight of shells expended. Each super heavy 16" shell weighs about 1.2 tons! At 9 shells per full salvo, 50 salvos equals over 500 tons!
Ordinance = Law or regulation…..Ordnance = Things that go BOOM….
How about HMS Incorrigible? For short names I do like HMS Dainty!
Has there ever been an instance of a warship running out of fuel?
Oh that’s a good question. Ask that in the pinned post on the next video. That would be interesting.
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See also: Oz the Great and Terrible.
Why were no Iowa class equipped with rocket assisted projectiles based on the work of Gerald Bull?
There were actually a lot of proposals for extending the Iowas’ gun range. I’m not sure if there were any rocket-assisted projectiles in the works, but there were designs for 13” and 11” sub-caliber saboted rounds, the latter of which would have had a range of 48 miles or 84,000 yards (maybe even more in a later proposal made in 1991 but never developed). Rocket assist would have extended this even further, but to the best of my knowledge, this was not discussed. I think there was some discussion of using a sub-caliber 8” shell, which probably could have been extended out to 100 miles. But at that point there might be barrel wear concerns. There’s also the issue of accuracy. Even if you stick to shore bombardment, accuracy over 35,000 yards isn’t great. Double that range and it’s just bad, unless the shells are guided. I believe there was a program for that too, but at the time, no guidance system could withstand being fired from a high velocity naval gun. Obviously we can do that today with a 6-inch artillery piece, so it should be possible for a bigger gun too, but it wasn’t possible for about 10 years after the ships were decommissioned.
Cost vs the anticipated remaining life of the class
⛵️ dinghy is a classic name. Also it brings up that emoji 🤯🫨😵💫😎🧐🧑🔬💃🏼
Oh silly drach! You wont be hanging onto the ground, you'll be hanging on to the ceilings to get away from the kangaroos and cassowary's!
Nice to hear the word was 'engaged' and not 'fought' for the Mass. Bart was hardly a fight. You might as well ask what was the last one to engage a quay, warehouse, and a truck or two while not actually get sunk by an unfinished floating battery moored near that location. I've read the stories and have not been impressed by that engagement, just like the book by a USS Washington officer who recounted his visit and review of the data behind the action report the day after the SDAK claimed it shot down all those planes (but really didn't).
In terms of ugly ships, I personally give the cold war era conversions a pass. Everyone back then was doing weird things with ship design, and they have a certain charm to them.
You want to see ugly, look at the Soviet modernizations of former Tsarist ships.
Didn't the Japanese battleship Mikasa see combat? (And is preserved.)
Yes, but not a dreadnought :)
@@Drachinifel Well Wikipedia, the inerrant and authoritative source of all knowledge and wisdom, does label the Mikasa as the "Japanese battleship Mikasa", however, I get your point. Thank you for the reply and your awesome channel.
Gay series / class vessels. That’s funny.
I remember on an earlier episode you mentioned also HMS Spanker. 😊
11 year old me learning what plane dropped the first nuclear bomb
A B-29 named by the pilot as the ENOLA GAY. Target was Hiroshima which was the HQ for the IJA’s Sixth Army.
Still waiting for HMS DingleBerry. That sounds English enough. Or maybe even FV Japanese Torpedo Boat.
I also heard tell of a new Japanese class called Fishing Torpedo Trawler Boat. FTTB.
It's used to attract fire from clueless enemies and bait them into war-crimes
There's a place in Ireland called Dingle so HMS Dingle isn't implausible at all.... >.>
17:17 I am a child and not afraid to admit that I was giggling through this whole section.
why video at 10:44 pm American time, Drach? Whyyyyy....
Because you are supposed to be Asleep already
@@americankid7782 Indeed. You see, time zone changes are a bitch.
Machine spirit? Just call the Adeptus Mechanicus to bless it and anoint it with oils.
17:28 I believe in WW2, Gay had third meaning; sole survivor of a terminally DOOMED group of warriors? :P
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Lemme ask my boy kmac2021 if Scotland has a coastline. Hold on. Hold. Hold on. Just a sec. Couple mins. Hold on.
What if burza and dlyskawica would accept shlezwick battle
Speaking of schoolboy giggling, I was listening to a TTRPG vid the other day (Traveller, of all things) and the comments were full of jokes about pinnaces. Apparently being able to pronounce it so it doesn't sound like "penis" is a shibboleth for identifying clueless idiot landlubbers.
Without looking at a dictionary, my mind is thinking the correct pronunciation is close to "pen-ahce"?
Why do you always seem to wear vests? Are the armored? Drach always has the fashion. A waistcoat would suit you more. Why do u wear vests? Is your body cold and your arms warm?
They have lots of pockets which negates having to carry bags except for the camera. :)
Cold in England. The British like it that way. I remember aviation historian Bill Gunston (a former RAF pilot) saying that the first thing the RAF did with ex-American bases it got back after World War Twice was to shut down the central heating
Says 15 seconds ago and yet i cant get close to first😂
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HMS Indefatigable.
191st, 12 June 2023
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Massachusetts is the only battleship left to have fought another post-Dreadnought battleship…while the latter was incomplete and immobile. Not much to talk about to be honest.
It was lucky the target was in that condition, as a 16 projectile penetrated a - fortunately empty - 6 inch magazine
Mamie did a good job on the target and it was shooting back.
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She did good enough that Ranger had to finish the job?
Oh there is a good reason to have helicopter ships. Dad was in the army on USNS Corpus Christi Bay, formally USS Albemarle Curtis sea plane tender, during Vietnam.
The ship was a secured way to have a full repair shop for the helicopters damaged so bad that they would need to be taken back to their manufacturer to be repaired. Quite useful actually.
Be nice to have a video on USS Albemarle. Maybe you and Rex could wrangle out just how useful such ships and their aircraft were in WW2 during their operations.🤔
If you could mention the old girl in all her three eras of service maybe you could bring a tear to my old man's eye for his service on board USNS Corpus Christi Bay.🥲👍🏻
u forgot Whales, no?