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- Fedor Holz breaks down if Poker is dead or not. Can you still make money playing the wonderful game of poker?
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The best spot is live... You go to your local casino on Friday/ Saturday nights to start out... if you can't beat mainly drunk people then you need to massively improve your game. Play tight at first then work bluffs into your game.
Big yes
Correct! However, do not forget about short term and long term variance. You can’t win/lose every session.
Online you can play 30x more hands in the same time and you don't have to watch the drunken people.
@@dariuspopescu5408 Assuming you could always win from drunken players is poker folly. Variance is in favor of crazy players.
online poker is the biggest scam known to man.. total scam
This is exactly what I've been thinking lately. I thought of leaving my business for playing poker full time, but then I realize it's just easier to make 100k + per year doing my business than playing poker. And I dont have to deal with the emotions of downswings
Same. I find working my day job is always priority #1 and try to use Poker as an income supplement.
@@robertdimemmo6501 agreed 100% I do the same ..we aren't at 2010 !
Fedor Holz was my favorite poker player. I love the way he analyzes his opponent in LIVE PLAY
Impeccable content for anyone coming through! Big props to you, Dada! Dada is big brother in Hindi! Love from India!
Im sure a man that has financial incentive in keeping rec's chasing the dream by selling courses, has 0 bias when it comes to answering this question.
He's worth north of $30 million, he doesn't need the money, and he screams genuine to me. What he makes from selling courses is likely only on a par to what he could make if he were grinding like he used to, if that, or what he could he make putting his intellect and capital to work in other endeavours.
Doesnt change the original comment on the likelihood of bias
@@merlinblackmore3169 dont assume he doesnt need the money nor that this is his only motivation. Its extremely fishy for someone online to try selling you a course
Lol the pro of poker telling us simps
How to give him money...hahaha why would he make this video
Correct, they need to recruit new victims to get new cash into the game.
Good one! Some new perspectives and very clear statements, I like the style of transporting information.
Go to a local casino and sit down at a 1/2 or 2/5 game. Poker is obviously not dead. Cardrooms are full of donks who limp->call a raise preflop with K7o and then call down when they hit top pair.
Very accurate statement 👍
nice ill try this my goal then is to just breakeven online so i can practice
U are really incredibile Fedor.I apreciate you and u give such big value with your videos. Thank You!!!All the Best.
Well youtube seems like actual poker knowledge source now...great videos :)
Buen video!! me gusto mucho, me motivo y dejaste mucho mas claro.... lo que ya sabia. thanks!!
OMG Duc Phuc , i like your cover version. Love it !
Making money and making a living off of poker are 2 different things tho
True
Also, making enough money to live off of poker and actually keeping money are two totally different skills. I’ve been very good at the first and poor at the second with spending leaks.
Yup....i quit 13 years ago because I was honest with myself about this. I was a fish.
They cant make money unless they convince you that you too can earn. New victims is what keeps poker players alive.
@@pflaffik I wasn't losing....but I was barely making anything.
Thank you for this video, exactly what i needed to hear!
Great Video &Value-thx Fedor!! :)
thanks Fedor!! 👊
In Texas you can literally grind tournaments for profit daily if you think your good enough. To be able to profit for a living however is a whole different beast. Not only do you have to have the bankroll to play the stakes required to profit enough to live comfortably, but you also have to handle the swings.
Long term is it feasible as a full time job? No unless you want to play 5/10 or play 50+ hours a week.
Can you profit consistently and use it as a dangerous side job? Much more likely.
Thanks Fedor! 🙏🏻💎
Pro poker telling the world.... yes you can still donate to me
We can confirm that there is still plenty of money to be made for everyone who is willing to put the time in 🙂
thats my goal
@pokercode This is really inspiring to hear. I have recently returned to poker after not playing for 10 years. I was a winning small stakes mtt player but moved to the US from Europe in 2011 and live in a state where poker was illegal so I never had any opportunity to play. The game has evolved soooo much since I last played but the small stakes mtt’s lately seem to be very beatable. I am trying to study poker a few hours per week as I work full time and life is hectic these days so don’t have the free time I used to have when I played before.
It is my goal to try to be able to get to playing mid stakes and beating those games. This may take a while with the limited time I have to study the game however but I really enjoying learning so as long as I am progressing I don’t care as I have a good stable income with my day job. I am trying to make poker my supplemental income. Do you think this is a good way to think about it or does it require much more time to really advance to beat mid stakes in 2022? Many thanks, loved this video!!!
@@thru_and_thru Hi, I start to be really interested to learn about poker as much as I can, sit down and study.
I was looking at the Fedor's site online, masterclass or other coaching sites(there is so many now). I know the rules and I am familiar to the game.
Just don't know how to really start. Would it be better online studying or take a book in my hands. And it is a bit pricy for me personally.
Any tips ?
Thanks.
@@brunosepic8419 Find what ever form of study works for you. Some books are great but I think the interactive learning sites are really valuable too. Most beginner players are not studying the game so that put you levels ahead I am sure. Just start at very small stakes and continue to study and learn and I am sure you will beat these pretty quick. If you have the work ethic and interest in studying poker as well as smart bank roll management you will definitely move up. Good luck!
Bullshit maybe live online is impossibile make living in poker in 2022 ,if you dont use solver best poker player that you call best are cheater lol, or affiliate from the site.. I try poker wizard I scored 80% ani position all the way never study lol ppl say study more all bullcrap you have 2 cards in hand not 2000 math is really simple in poker. then I loose money how? Tell me how I loose whit an 80% poker wizard score when most of the ppl you say are good get les then 70 most of the time hahahahh and you know microstakes player seems better then pro hahahah poor wolrd full of scammers and believers
guys dont get fooled by this, 99% of people will lose their money, only top 1% can live from it
top .01 % honestly
Overall if you take the best lawyers, agents, surgeons, real estate, stock market etc it’s much easier to make a LOT more money than playing poker. My advice is make a ton of money in your profession and then take the time to really learn poker and play semi professionally. I lost my Bar card for a few years and became a house player in some big games in Texas before the opening of legal poker clubs. I made $ but it was such a grind. Now I have my Bar card back and it’s much easier to get 20k for 5-10 hours of work, rather than playing 12-15 hours a day to win 3-5k a session and there’s nights you’re not gonna win. Since then poker has really changed and I relearned the game. I finish pretty regularly in top 10% and have multiple top 2-8 finishes but still haven’t won a big tournament. Fedor is 1 my favorite players and I believe that IQ plays a big role. Over 140 is going to beat the 110 95% of the time imo. I’d bet Fedor is between 140-160.
Can I volunteer to be a member of the grind house season 2? I'm definitely in that 10 - 40k per year spot in my career.
I’m a profitable player doing cash games at my local casino moved up to 2 5 recently and it’s been going really well I find it unlikely to actually make an income doing this however just due to the fact it’s still gambling at the end of the day but I play for fun and it’s nice having the extra spending money
Thank you!
Speaking of high take. How do you feel about GG Pokers ridiculously high rake ?
Our casino has 4 WSOP Tournaments/year. Here in southeastern USA we are the buckle of the bible belt, things are about five years behind the global time.
Site your sources Fedor. How do you know 20,000 people got worse? Did you play all 20,000 of them? How do you even know the 20 top players got better? I call BS on your part.
I see those hidden fates boxes :)
You should create train someone from beginner to profitable player here and show us what improvements someone needs. That would definitely show that is possible anyway, great to see you on TH-cam.
Smash the like button!!.I subscribed!
Why would he do that when he can get idiots to buy the course without it?
@@JoseAndCode that's called entertainment pal.
Thanks, I have one question with regards to game manipulation. if someone possesses two accounts from the same computer, one from a normal IP Address and the other from the virtual computer, and with a VPN(different IP), Can the game be manipulated?
it wouldnt help as much you think
This video doesn't acknowledge the rampant use of RTA and bots (real-time assistance)
tldw it's much harder but possible if you still werk real hard. Same thing poker coaches have been saying since 2016.
Hi Fedor, how can i find this type off group’s to learn more about Poker?
hi Olaf. The first think you can try is reach out to people over the internet eg in discord forums. I am very committed to poker. Maybe we can connect in the future. What types of games are playing atm ?
Hey Fedor, Danke für dein Video. Aktuell hab ich in meiner Bankroll in GGPoker 50 Tunierdollar. Im letzten Online-Tunier bin ich bei nem Satellite Ticket in der Bubble bitter rausgeflogen, passiert. Aber auf welches Tunier sollte ich aber am besten hinarbeiten? Für die im Sweet spot gennanten Tuniere fehlt mir ehrlichgesagt das nötige Cash. Danke Dir schon mal und weiterhin alles Gute. :D
I won my first biggest tournamet online with satelite 1.10$ 55$ ticket...turn that into 13.403$ first tournamet then yeah i was to dumb stop playng i made one more final table on 109$ turbo i took 5 place 3700$ then i stop playng i blow my bankroll then whatever...I enjoy guys you put in the work with you videos i enjoy i start allover again with poker ..I must learn bankroll management etc . Good video keep up the great work on this beautiful game .
Lieber Fedor, liebes Pokercode-Team
Vielen Dank für eure hilfreichen Videos.
Was würdet ihr Anfängern aus der Schweiz empfehlen?
Falls ich richtig informiert bin kann man in der Schweiz nur auf der Seite von Pokerstars spielen.
ACR und IPoker gehen auch. In der Schweiz ist es leider am einfachsten, einen 9-5 Job zu suchen und da deine 100k zu machen. Wenn du mit Poker 100k verdienen kannst, müsstest du mit Arbeit locker 200k machen in der Schweiz.. Ja, ich bin frustriert, weil ichs nicht gepackt habe. Verdiene jetzt aber 150k und bin auch irgendwie happy über die Sicherheit 😃. LG
@@everyoneissolid danke dir für deine Antwort :) mir geht es in erster Linie nicht um das Geld sondern um den Spass und um die neue Herausforderung ein neues Spiel zu lernen / zu meistern.
Dafür möchte ich ganz gerne die besten Seiten online nutzen um mich mit anderen zu messen.
Wenn es durch den Ehrgeiz und die neue Leidenschaft zum Poker dann noch für einen netten Nebenverdienst reicht sagt man natürlich nicht nein. ☺️
Die Reise bleibt aber offen, es kann schon gut sein das man so leidenschaftlich dabei ist das man darüber denkt den Lebensunterhalt damit zu bezahlen. Dafür bin ich aber noch zu sehr am Anfang und konzentriere mich auf den Spass des Lernens.💪🏼
Man könnte schon sagen das ich nach über 14 Jahren Fussball und 12 Jahre Videogames auf hochem Niveau eine neue Herausforderung suche, in der ich eine Leidenschaft finde.
(m, 27 Jahre jung)
@@everyoneissolid und was arbeitest du in der Schweiz, wenn ich fragen darf? 🙃
So Fedor what types of games should we aim at if we wanna win 30k a year or 150k a year?
Poker games
For cash, I would say 2/5 can easily be enough for 30k a year even if you play only every weekend as long as you select your games well. 150k is obviously then five times bigger, but can be a lot tougher to achieve. For tournaments, probably around 250-300k in buy-ins per year for 30k profit, so if you play daily, around 1k in buy-ins, if you play once a week, maybe 5k or so. 150k requires again a lot bigger buy-ins
Anchoring on specific dollar targets is not the best approach.. you should just be playing the game that allows you to win the most money. It’s entirely possible that a smaller game can be more profitable than a bigger game in certain circumstances. Game selection is crucial.
i won 20k in 2 years while being homeless off and on playing omaha hilo on bet online
@@Hoops590 If you play Omaha tou become homeless, got it
Loved it!
How much of the downswing was GG.. The site is not straight up
ggpoker is a joke
it is a fraud
I lose every all in there no matter what the % after 7k games
Lol "put in the time, Focus , dedication, study the game " Yeah... if you do that with anything, you'll become successful. 😅
Not really, you can do everything good and still fail that's life
I make money online just like lots of others. Just play solid poker.
Just curious do you know how much bb/100 you lose in rake?
solid what?
When you say what making between $10k and $40k per year , its quite achievable , are you talking about cash games too ?
It is said that you have to do something for 10,000 hours to be anything close to competent.
You have horribly misinterpreted that statistic.
I love poker, but I'd far rather work than try and play for a living
Online poker and learning is at full speed changing constantly, live poker however hasnt really improved much since 2008 it's in so many terms still like the wild west at a regular local casino
There’s truth to that
Look at it this way, the OVERWHELMING majority of poker players are consistent long-run losers
Probably 90-95 percent something like that
So the people who suck and keep losing but keep coming back ‘to gamble’ those are the people you want to play against/target
Try traveling around the US, live poker has changed plenty.
online is still just a bunch of idiots, its just rigged so it seems tough
Yes you can win. I make $1200 a month and that's for fun playing live.
what stakes?
@@chadwellington2524 could easy be at 2-5
@Midnight Movie Man he said for fun...
Play 1000 hours. Then tell me your hourly. If it's anything less than $30 an hour, you are HORRIBLY wasting your life - contributing NOTHING to society and damaging your body and soul.
@@johnlombard777 tipping dealers and waitresses is contributing to society
Thousands do but millions don''t esp at micro and low buy ins.
I play for 10 years, but i need some extra tips. I want you to teach me, its that possible?
Great Video! I wonder what the minimum time commitment (hours per week) for like 3k a month profit.
I would really try to pursue this if I knew the time i have availible is enough.
Obviously depending on ur current skill level but I what would say to make 3k a month, u need to be able to crush 200NL at a good winrate (considering rake), to get to that level it will take time…u need to treat poker like a profession so u should plan at least 6 hours a day over a time period for 1-2 years
Live cash will always be profitable to great poker players.
Massive Tournaments are the worst thing to happen to poker.
Say you work for living. The money you make will be taxed before it makes it into your pocket. Now you decide to use that TAXED money to buy into poker tournament. Whether you make into the money or not, the entire winning pool in the end will be TAXED. Lets just give it a nice round number of 20%, which we all know the taxes will equate much much higher. The money that was taxed will not be put back into poker via, other tournaments or cash games, unless the IRS and TREASURY decide to sit down and play some cards. So from the time Moneymaker won the championship, everybody kept dumping their money into these tournament games not realizing POKER'S COMMUNITY OF CASH was being taken out of the game. This in the end really destroyed poker.
Im sure a lot wouldn't have thought of such things. Before the Tournaments were a big thing, think about how packed the cash games in poker rooms were.
All want to win. But to make the System work that people can win - the most have to loose - thats the concept of Poker. As u earn what others loose.
yes move to texas
Best way to make money from poker is coaching. I think I'm not out of line by saying that.
But to be a coach first need to know how to make money from poker
@@pkkkks You would think that but mostly you need to know how to sell the course. There are all sorts of coaches out there, most are break even players. Some make money of rakeback, most dont, some dont even play. Some are PIO grinders who sell courses and philosophy but have sample of under 50k hands in last 3 years.
just like any gold rush it was never the miners that got rich other than a few lucky ones - it was the people that supplied to the miners or gave them a place to spend money that got rich.
@@nathanparsons3145 Picks and shovels
I should be rolling in money but I lose every all in on GG it's a sick joke
U just gotta be honest with urself… with travel expenses food/loses/etc…. You making more money then ur betting/playing with…. U live by a casino no expenses just play weekends that’s the formula to winning that simple…..
(Helps if ur good and played thru all ur 20sandur now 30 and understand “pokerlife” not just on the felt but outside the table… not getting burnt out for playing to much…. Just leave it at that can prob name a bunch more
Not worth it. Realistically very few people make considerable amout of money.
Correct, to win conistently you haveyo be at least somewhat elite at this game. Not for everybody and takes commitment
@@renanruiz8851 I disagree, when I used to play I was consistently beating smallest stakes, it's just not much money and I am by no means nowhere near to be elite. But it was fun so I didn't care.
@@Плут-с2о yea I fair pretty well in casinoes myself at the 1/2 nl table, but not a tremendous amount of money overall. I also dont play so regularly. I played a few days ago for the first time in years, and definitely played poorly. Im going to get back in it again. Good luck!
Yes u can. minus 1 500 000 per year for example
i think it depends on how strong u are (everyone is varying) and then the biggest edge is being able to read ppl live so ur social skills as well ( which varies) like im rly good at games (best in the world at starcraft) and decently strong but im a breakeven player so i think strategy can only take u so far. obviously if theres fish u can make money tho so im trying out ignition and then live casino rooms
How you doing
I think you're full of beans. This ain't 2005, or even 2010 anymore. Almost everyone is within 10% in skill range these days, so it's almost like playing against yourself in every seat, with the cards doing the talking, and constant ups and downs. IMHO.
before checking the video i will assume yes, BUT it takes hard work and game selection.
When Covid hit my grandma had a stroke so I had to quit my job and take care of her full time. So now online is all I got. I jus need to sharpen my sword so I can crush everyone again.
I use to hate this guy, but I realise I just hate the difference between how good some run and how I run. Some get picked by the Gods and others are left behind. God I hate my poker run.btw 9 yrs into poker, no backing, never went broke, close a few times tough.
Not a big fan of the thumbnail, bud. It implies you're going to say "Poker is dead" ... You have great content, you don't need to False clickbait/False advertise to get people to watch bro...
Can you bankroll me for abit. I’m a high stakes playa. Just no bank roll. 🤷🏼♂️
Hidden fates ETB?
Even Gaugi can win shit
Lol
allin
What about online cash game? I Play in a close fold. IT ( Italy) and Nl 100/200 is already tough and really full of Regs. NL 200 just very good regs and Nl 500/1000 best Italian players. Is so hard making even more than 20k per year
Well YOU can, because you're Fedor Holz.
You can vietsub by vietnamese , pleal !!!
Is online poker cash dead?)
Expand on the butt has definitely manifested itself in society
im spending about 4 hours a day with the solver. I wanna be the best Fedor!
Ash 'bluff' ketchum
@@julliekoning ayyyyyyyy that was tight
I found out that higher stakes there just about as many fish
vamoooo
Someone has to win so ye you can win at poker in 2022-to end of your time.
RTA and Ai
how do you explain so many online bad beats??
who is on the other end of those bad beats, winning the money?
@@todoz11 you never heard of bots and house players?idiot troll
i do it all the time at TCH Dallas
realistically you're talking to like 5 people who watched this video about just casually crushing 10k buy ins, a very high percentage of viewers are going to be low-mid stakes players
no he isnt he is saying someone who spends a lot of time into poker after 2 years who isnt a high stakes crusher but a good midstakes player should be able to to beat soft 10k buy in events live
Our coaching content is catered for everyone and our community is full of members from low-mid stakes who have progressed a lot. We'd love you to join us at bit.ly/3BcRPcJ and see for yourself 🙂
Well seeing as people make money every day playing poker... i say yes i think you can still make money
yes.the same players.
YES you can.. IF you're fedor holtz...
But it's a difficult way to earn minimum wage.
Nah
The problem is how?
Or get a bot 😆
Obviously you can
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You can make money in Poker, just not playing HOLD-EM. HOLD-EM is solved, and also too highly cheated, you have no chance. When Top Sites have 1000s of Bots, and World Class players use REAL TIME ASSISTANCE, you have no edge on the game. Play BIG-O! Play PLO 💣 pots! Play 🐎! Play something, anything, but HOLD-EM. HOLD-EM is for suckers
ЕС Ю КЕН!
I’m up over 550k in 10/20 online since the pandemic started.. none of it in NL tho. NLHE very very very tough online.
and then you woke up🤣
@@jjm3762 I will take this as a compliment. Most people would rather waste time watching videos on YT will I am actually achieving. Thanks bro!
Poker is a waste of time, I invested $200 in crypto and made $400,000 within less than a year without doing anything.
can u spark my dream with a small donation bro
Blah blah blah u just got to run good !!!
Pun city
Yea 80 % bankroll 19% luck and 1% knowledge that is poker
poker doesn't have lucky in a long run
@@Nobody33566 long run lol
But can you make money in poker without telling people they can make money on it? The day you run out of hopeful victims you also run out of fresh cash injections. This guy isnt telling you how to win but how to give him your money.
I make $1200 a week on average playing $10 sngs, but I have to sit and grind 50 hours + a week. It can absolutely be done. Would u rather go work or rather be able to stay at home and have more freedom and be your own boss? Not saying you can get rich from online poker but if u have the discipline and the will to grind and can manage your money, u can 100% do it
Poker will never be dead. Anybody who says it is, is a losing player
Really? Show me how to win GG Poker Spin & gold +10$ limit. xDDD. Show me how to beat the 7% rake.
@@lajos3980 find no rake games. Not hard
@@26bisket Even there is rake in playmoney xDDD Where do you play without rake?
@@lajos3980 he's a troll
Poker is becoming saturated with high-level thinkers at the top level which means that the math behind gto will be become perfected by these high level thinkers and since Poker is a long term math game, these high level thinkers will flatten out the game, just like everyone has the same chance of getting delt pocket aces in the long run, the high level thinkers will level out the math and all have the same chance of winning so long term they wont make any money against eqch other and will simply be handing money back and forth.
What you're describing is two computers playing against each other which is a zero sum game. A "high-level thinker" wouldn't play in that game. Game selection is everything.
@@BrettMcNary Damn lol
@@BrettMcNary yes but at the highest of stakes, it will become saturated with the high level thinkers and so eventually they would have to lower thier stakes to find people to exploit, luckily there will always be newcomers to the high levels so there will always be some players to exploit until they are no longer exploitable but when it comes to making money it will slow down and moving to lower stakes would only result in less returns for thier time and so eventually high level pros would better put thier minds and money into business. Obviously this is a perspective of making money, all markets become saturated with competition unless you use government to regulate.
@@juleouscamper5256 Yes math is involved but at the end of the day its the nuts a bluff a race or do you think you can beat what the opponent got at the show down and I have won way more than I have lost in the last 10 years and im talking way more
Flop those nuts on the table boys
Ffs🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
can you still make clickbait videos?
the answer is....
^^
poker is dead folks, esp online, everyone plays like robot eventually only poker site makes money
online is dead not live
Online poker is now fraud. It’s all a scam. Forget it.