After replacing every single part and watching many many videos I finally came across this with the gem of the speed/wall climbing setting. Never even seen that piece after multiple assembly and disassembly nor was it ever mentioned in any other video/forum. Thanks a lot!!!
I have a PoolVac xl that is still under warranty. I registered it right after I purchased it in July 2021. Yesterday it started just going in a circle to the left, not turning to the right. I disconnect my hose every time I finish cleaning with it snd store it flat, on a dedicated shelf inside my pool house. I took the PoolVac out last night, checked it for an obstruction. No obstruction snd no visible worn wings, feet, or flaps. After disconnecting the hose and storing it, I put it back in the pool to see if it was working ok…. I also checked skimmer pressure in the hose snd changed the back flap to position 1. The vacuum is still going to the left, in wider circles, but still circles. Any suggestions before I place a call to Hayward?
Sounds like you have a suction leak or maybe a hose is clogged in the cleaner. When you unplug the cleaner does the pool start right up again? If so check the pump lid o-ring then look around the pump for any noticeable leaks. If it is a suction leak (air getting into the system) the pump won't be able to pull the water the extra 30 ft or so. It needs to be a completely closed system to work.
You can try the Hayward canister also if your pool doesn't have particle debris. I called my supplier and they checked the box - it is in there - the 4 inch female hose connector.
Very Informative video! I've replaced all the parts internally and I still have little or no movement. everything that had anything to do with operation and movement has been replaced... Any thoughts?
it's a 2 hole but I figured it out by closing off the main drain. Runs like a champ now. Thanks for your videos, I know I'll use them when it's time to replace parts.
Hi, I have an older Navigator & after replacing the turbine gear set (lot's of "slop/wear"), the feet, and the wings it still gets stuck against the bottom step of the pool, just seems to "nose up" slightly and keep shoving itself straight. It'll spend minutes or more like that. Any thoughts? Bumper too rough/worn so it won't slide l/r? When it is at this spot the hose is about 2/3 of it's max distance. 20000 gal pool. I have increased the suction so much that it will climb the walls a few feet & then come off. Also moves around the rest of the pool fine. Where the step hits the pool bottom is less curvy then all the rest, like almost a sharp 90 degree. But it worked fine for years without getting stuck there. Thanks for any thoughts. :)
There is actually another gear set on the top. But I rarely replace those at that point the cleaner is just flat out old. 😜👌 Hayward AXV079VP Medium Turbine Spindle Gear Replacement Kit for Select Hayward Pool Cleaner
@@SPL Thanks SOOO much, I shortened the hose by 1 length (maybe 4.5 ft?) and it no longer gets stuck there. I think the Navigator needs some "resistance" from the hose and when the hose is too long and it gets into a "corner" then the hose just folds over itself and does not give the needed resistance for the navigator to make a turn and move out of the corner. you are the best! Froggy.
sorry...i have one more question...i found the video about the pentair leaf trap. does the pool cleaner come with the female hose connector i will need, or do i need to order one? thanks!!
if i do get sand/silt, should i stick with the pentair canister and order the finer mesh bag? i do tend to get particle debris that settles on the bottom.
Hi! Your videos are very helpful. I am having some terrible with my pool vac. It is going up the walls and getting stuck up there. I will move it and then it will go back and get stuck again. Could you please help me?
Great video. We recently had a 60 year old crumbling concrete pool religned with fiberglass. The pods on our Hayward ware completelyworn through and destroyed. Our Hayward also says "for concrete pools" I was just going to replace the unit but am shocked at the cost. Will replacing the pods be fine for our new fiberglass ligned pool?
I don't have the navigator hose and use a straight hose. The navigator moves well but it keeps staying in mostly the deep end of the pool and eventually in 8' circles. Are the sectional hose needed for it to work properly? Thanks
Great Site , 3o yrs ago Pool came with Arneson Pool Vac looks like Hayward. Has a Speed valve for hose . .I bought front and rear flap kit, Didnt notice front/ You helped with that. The only question is What is the best hose to get, how long in feet and there appears to be an adaptor hose for the first section . After all these years would sure loike to have it working Are after market hoses any good ? thanks 16 x 32 greacian 8ft hopper
I've seen some good hoses sets on Amazon.com . The lead hose can be a standard hose also - I've had some running without the first OEM hose and they seem fine.
Hi, my navigator won't turn, I replaced the gear box with the red top part and did the blow test where you hold it to your mouth and blow, it works, I think the problem lies in the gears that connect to the cone/hose. Are you aware of a rebuild kit for this? Thanks for the video.
Hi! Thanks for sharing. Very helpful. Mine was set on 3. Changed to 1 and he still has the power to reach out of the water but not enough power to untangle a gentle twist. Although there is definite improvement. 2 seemed too powerful. Any ideas? Seems to be moving too fast also. Thanks!
You can just lay the cleaner out long ways so the hoses don't coil. That is why they want you to pull each hose apart. But if you just lay it out along your pool deck when not in use (out of the Sun) that works well. That is what I do with my cleaner also.
Great video instructions. Change and out new pods , A-frame and the turbine but seems I'm not getting the proper section underneath the vacuum. I do get a lots and full suction from the hose itself before I hook it up to the vacuum. Thx again
Hi, I have a vac lock on the side wall and a salt generator. When the navigator is inside the pool everything reads normal in the swg but when i take the hose out and the vac lock door closes shut the swg flow light turns red and it stops producing chlorine. Any idea why this might happen? thank you in advance
+zal411 When you take the cleaner out go to the equipment and also turn the side port valve off. What is happening is the line is still open and it is trying to pull water from a closed line - reducing the flow - and shutting off the salt cell. Simply turning the side port valve will solve the issue.
I noticed that there was not basket in the skimmer but you have a rubber tapered plug that connected to the hose going directly in the skimmer. Is that normal or do you have to have a skimmer basket. I would imagine this is a customer of your but I'm wondering if its functions better with or without basket.
Where did you get the skimmer cone connector? I have a Hayward Navigator and use a small length of 1/2" pvc to keep the plastic adapter from releasing when the timer goes off. I tried looking up on google but only saw one for a Kreepy Crawler model and it wasn't black
+Michael Jones This one will work fine for you. They are all universal. www.amazon.com/Cleaner-Skimmer-Adaptor-Baracuda-W70263/dp/B007Q92FEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453085789&sr=8-1&keywords=skimmer+adapter+cone
When I go with my son to see the Hang Gliders I see some of them wearing cameras on their noggins. It sounds like a good idea for some of my shots -I try to look subtle when I am working and filming.
Thanks so much! I am considering trying the pool cleaner by pool vergnuegen instead but have some questions. Does it ever get stuck on ladders? Also, how do you attach the filter bag/basket that goes in the vacuum line, and which one do you recommend (I think I saw in a video you recommend one by Pentair)?
would you mind sending me a link or part number for the female part i will need to be able to use the pentair canister with the pool cleaner? i think that's my last question:)!
Hi, our Hayward quit climbing the sides. After no luck with replacing parts, we purchased a new Navi 50 and installed it today. We replaced the basket lid gasket and the jandy three way valve gaskets. Still have the same problem. Any ideas? Jack
What does it mean if it keeps floating and isn't staying on the floor? I've tested the suction using their guage, and it's between min and max as recommended.
This is a fantastic video! Thanks so much! Do you have a separate place for questions? For example, my vacuum keeps unplugging from the wall several times after it's been plugged in during the day. What could that mean?
Air in the return lines. If you have it attached at the skimmer this works great holding it in: Pentair Kreepy Krauly Hose & Accessories Kreepy Krauly Locking Bar | K12076
Your videos have been so helpful! I got my pool from green to blue overnight following your advice for the first time in years:)!!!! Do you have any reviews on the Tiger Shark pool vac by Hayward? Or thoughts? Thanks so much!
My beloved Hayward has developed a habit of "braiding" the vacuum hose until it is so twisted that it cannot move. Any ideas on what the problem is and how I might fix it? Thanks!
Sounds like the swivel on top is not moving. Try turning it with your hands and you should be able to spin it. You will need this to fix it if the swivel does not turn with your hand: Hayward AXV079VP Medium Turbine Spindle Gear Replacement Kit
I have an AquaVac 500 robotic cleaner which has only been used 6 times. Can you tell me what causes it to flip over & stay in that position? On all of the troubleshooting tips, I don't see that problem mentioned. Thank you.
Maureen Cole In my testing if the robot's cord does not reach the full length of the pool it will interfere with the program seek control. Is there enough cord in the pool so the AquaVac 500 can get full coverage? The one in my pool has yet to flip over but it is a small pool 16 ft x32 ft
Thanks for your quick reply! Yes, ours is a 16 x 32 as well...it was purchased new last Fall...haven't used it much at all until this season. It has plenty of cord...and we've cleaned it thoroughly. Thought maybe there was debris in the impeller or something affecting the performance. We have to keep an eye on it & go manually to turn over...it has worked perfectly the other few times we've used it.
Maureen Cole I know the model I have has been tweaked a little by Hayward to increase the rear thrust to prevent this. I wonder if the first units lack this power increase. How many times has it "turtled" on you? I would say if it happens again you can contact Hayward about it and Warranty it out so they can fix the issue. I have run my AquaVac 500 about a 10 times now in three different pools and it hasn't turned over as of yet.
The navigator moves well but it keeps staying in mostly the deep end of the pool and eventually in 8' circles, only turns to the right. Need help tried everything.
Oh my bad i wasnt clear... It was going up on the walls and not staying on the floor. but i saw your video explained how to change that. Thanks. I didnt watch the video all the way at the time of my question😬
Mine always get hung up in the beach entry. Is there a way to better fine tune this cleaner or is there a better cleaner out there for beach entries? Thanks! Your videos are amazing!!!
My Hayward Vacuum is two years old. It gets stuck nightly on my ( one of two ) drains. ( grumbles ) This is my first pool and your videos have been my HOW TO from the get go so for that-- THANXOXO!!
9 yrs ago . . . I know. They sell main drain cover bumper guards that solve this problem. Plastic pieces that snap on to the main drain covers. They have a raised round rubber center that the navigator bumps up against, keeping it from going over the center of the drain cover where they tend to latch on and stay there. With a little finesse, you can get them into place by using the handle-end of the pole that the net or brush is usually attached to. I've accidently knocked mine loose a couple of times with the net and was able to put them back that way. Otherwise, someone has to dive down there. No thanks!
thank you so much for all the info! i will take your advice and check on the hayward canidster also. one other thought...i see the company recommends storing the vac with the hoses straight. is it a pain to put back together every time you want to vacuum, or is this really necessary? thanks again! your videos have helped me get my pool in amazing shape very quickly.
Very Helpful. Thanks. my cleaner gets stuck in places where the pool floor curves up the side and on the anti suction drain on the bottom of the pool. What can I do to alleviate this problem?____ Rocky
Take it out of the pool with the pool pump off. Remove the 1st hose and then hose off the swivel really well. Sometimes small particles get stuck in their causing it not to swivel well. Also I suggest rotating the hoses around - move the ones on the bottom to closer to the wall/skimmer connection.
Thanks for your video! You solved my problem with my Navigator... I was at the end of my rope & was about go buy another unit... now I feel like I got a new sweeper!
My hayward scoots along fine, but it seems to only turn left. I just finished replacing all the bottom end, feet, wings, and the A frame. What would cause it to keep turning left in the same circle????
Could be something jammed in the swivel on top or may be one of the pods is not all the way tight. Remove the wing plug and see if that threaded nut is completely tight in the pods.
have an older version of this vac which but all interior fairly new. It keeps getting stuck on the drains which are identical to the ones you have in the pool shown. How do u keep it from getting stuck on floor drains?
You will have to turn off the main drain. If yours is old like this one there should be a valve by the equipment -hopefully. It is the suction from the main drain that it causing the Navigator to get stuck.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 I have it at 3/4 towards the vacuum and 1/4 skimmer power. Stiill gets stuck. Was told i can get some little ramps.
GN702 Okay, under your skimmer basket do you see one of these: www.poolpartsonline.com/p-101345-replacement-for-waterway-plastics-part-5426200.aspx?gclid=CLiQn7fr2b0CFYqIfgodmToAQw If so remove it. That is the UFO I was talking about ;) This is common in a two hole skimmer. If your skimmer has one hole I can also instruct you how to turn off the main drain at the skimmer.
I am not a huge fan of robot cleaners. they work but are very expensive. I prefer a suction oe pressure side cleaner. I have a review of the Dolphin Diagnostic which looks similar.
One issue that defeats this vac is a Hayward drain grill. When my pool was recently refinished the original slightly domed open design cover was replaced with one of the Hayward designs that prevents suction accidents with hair getting sucked into the drain or a body getting stuck on an active drain. This cover is a solid barrier to the navigator, it gets stuck on it and stays there. What is required is some sort of circular ramp, but Ive never found one.
This might work. Or trade up to a Polaris MAXX cleaner. www.amazon.com/Zodiac-5820-White-Unibridge-Replacement/dp/B002SG7NQI?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A3N0LFM77402&th=1
Hi there, followed this guide and your a-frame guide and replaced the components, it’s been working okay but it seems like sometimes it tries to climb the wall a bit and then does a “wheelie” and ends up on it’s butt or side, would you have any recommendations?
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 i got it working, I had to just “reset” the little back flapper, I moved it from 1 to 3, then back to 1, maybe I accidentally touched the rear mechanism when working on it
question: I have the vac xl, it was stuck where it just turned one direction, I searched the web and it said replace the gearbox, which I did, now it won't turn, it ends up at my stairs and sits there, did I not install the gearbox correctly, The RED plastic piece that attaches to the gearbox, fell off and I do not know if the orientation matters when I put it back on....or could it be something else I did not do right when I put it all back together
fixed it, took it apart again and found 2 potential issues, the screen was potentially not seated properly and the bearings on the black spinner part, I didn't know they needed to sit in the groove to prevent them from turning, fixed both issues, now it turns exactly as it's intended, thanks!
My hayward gets stuck by the stairs. What do you think the issue is. If i move it to the middle of the pool, it runs perfectly and even climb the walls.
Our navigator works great in the deep in but gets stuck going up to the shallow end. The suction will almost suck your fingers off. I tried my dads new navigator and it does the same thing. Any suggestions?
You can also video the problem and post it on your channel. Let me know when it is uploaded and I can look at it to get a better idea. Film when you connect it, the filter pressure gauge and a general shot of your pool pump area. If you have time.
How about if I replaced the a-frame and still not moving. I changed the pods, flaps, screen in the back and white frame. When I pick it up it's moving really fast. I give it full suction and still when I lay it against the floor nothing. You think something came loose inside???
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 just wanted to let you know that it was the bearings.. they were not locked into the tabs.. thanks!! You never fail me!!
The only solution is to turn off the main drain and if that doesn't work then your pool probably has a main drain that is not compatible with this cleaner. You may want to sell it and get a Hayward PoolCleaner (AquaNaut) - designed to not get stuck on main drains.
Hi, I just bought a Navigator V Flex today. Tested the flow with the meter and it barely hit the minimum. short of returning it what do I do. The pump is a 1HP. Is that the problem?
I have a new Hayward XL purchased Oct 2016, it starts but then quits right away. I have a solar system, I do not have a pool man at this time, my husband took care of the pool, but he passed away in January, and with everything else, I have not gotten a pool man. I read the little manual, and it says to remove the vacuum from the hose as there may be an airlock, but I am unable to do that, it is stuck on there and just turns, any suggestions?
I know this is mega old but does anyone know why my navigator won't move when inserted into the side vacuum port, but does work when in the skimmer port?
Hello! I just purchased the pool vac XL and the first day it seemed as it was working perfectly... But after a week, I noticed the suction very low. I checked for any debris in the turbine, but all was clean. I then put my hand under the vac and did noticed suction to be somewhat low. How do I increase suction?
Hmm. How is the filter pressure and did you check the pump basket also? Have to ask. If that is fine then: Next to something in the turbine there could be debris in the hoses. Start at the last hose and unhook it, check for suction and if it is really good go one to the next hose until you get to the cleaner head. Sometimes stuff gets lodged in the hoses. If still nothing let me know.
Sorry, I hadn't finished reading your response before I replied. But yes, my filter pressure is at 10 and I haven't checked the holes... This is a good idea. Thanks for the help my friend! Also, what area do you service?... I would like to change the water of my fiberglass pool and might want to hire your services... Thanks for all the help!
Frank Barz I've got a network of pool guys from Riverside, LA, Orange County to San Diego that I can refer your way. Depending if you are in those areas. I also know of a local company that will filter your water without a drain and make it like new.
It is probably the gears located in the top of the cleaner. Yes, there are more parts in the top of this thing. I am actually working on a video to show you how to replace these gears. Here is the part to replace to fix your problem. I assume your Vac is pretty old? Hayward Pool Cleaner Medium Turbine/Spindle Gear Kit Vinyl AXV079VP. In the process of filming this video also.
Usually if the hose is tangled like that it is the gears on the top. Occasionally one side of the a-frame wears out and one pod doesn't move causing this also. But yes, those are the gears. The link didn't open?
Sounds like their is something stuck in the turbine. Take it out of the pool & turn it over. You will see a screw. Unscrew it until the bottom piece comes out. Check the turbine for a rock. Shake it and you might hear it. If it checks out OK let me know.
Thank you ! Just bought a house with a pool that has this cleaner ... we are used to infloor cleaner system from our prior pool ! Thanks again Helped !
I believe all the parts are the same for the last 20 years - just the top body changes: www.poolplaza.com/C-Hayward-Navigator-Pool-Cleaner-Parts-4407.html
Great videos Frank. Im a newbie pool owner so these are great. Dumb question: Do I have to clean the debris out of the Hayward? I looked at the unit but I couldn't figure out how to open it up and clean out the leaves n stuff!
You mean the skimmer insert? it turns both ways - one way closes it to allow more cleaner suction and the other to reduce it. If that is what you are referring to.
mine seems to work fine until it hits the bottom of the pool then it wont move. But it runs if I hold under water. Basically the moment the feet are depressed it stops the paddle wheel from turning. cant figure it out
Thank you for the video. You are right too many parts can go wrong. I have to repair mine regularly. I do not recommend it to anyone even to my enemies.
Andrew Defilippis It is probably the swivel on top. Maybe some debris is stuck in it. Also a bad a-frame/turbine can cause spinning and if your cleaner is several years old the gears on top could be bad. Oh, and there is a small gearbox inside that can go bad but usually rare.
After replacing every single part and watching many many videos I finally came across this with the gem of the speed/wall climbing setting. Never even seen that piece after multiple assembly and disassembly nor was it ever mentioned in any other video/forum. Thanks a lot!!!
Not sure if you saw my response to your earlier post but the 4" female hose connector comes in the box -according to my supplier.
I have a PoolVac xl that is still under warranty. I registered it right after I purchased it in July 2021. Yesterday it started just going in a circle to the left, not turning to the right. I disconnect my hose every time I finish cleaning with it snd store it flat, on a dedicated shelf inside my pool house. I took the PoolVac out last night, checked it for an obstruction. No obstruction snd no visible worn wings, feet, or flaps. After disconnecting the hose and storing it, I put it back in the pool to see if it was working ok…. I also checked skimmer pressure in the hose snd changed the back flap to position 1. The vacuum is still going to the left, in wider circles, but still circles. Any suggestions before I place a call to Hayward?
Needs an A-frame turbine kit which is a wear part and not under warranty.
Good info. Thank you so much from all of us. ❤
Sounds like you have a suction leak or maybe a hose is clogged in the cleaner. When you unplug the cleaner does the pool start right up again? If so check the pump lid o-ring then look around the pump for any noticeable leaks. If it is a suction leak (air getting into the system) the pump won't be able to pull the water the extra 30 ft or so. It needs to be a completely closed system to work.
You can try the Hayward canister also if your pool doesn't have particle debris. I called my supplier and they checked the box - it is in there - the 4 inch female hose connector.
Not sure if you got the last message but my supplier says the 4" female hose comes in the box with the canister... ;)
I never knew about the different settings you can put your sweep on. I actually learned something useful from youtube.
great video, thank you! Q: at 5:27 you mention slowing it down but how?
Open up the regulator valve in the skimmer or reduce it at the side port valve depending on how you have it connected
Very Informative video!
I've replaced all the parts internally and I still have little or no movement. everything that had anything to do with operation and movement has been replaced...
Any thoughts?
It could possibly be the system then. Try a friends or neighbors cleaner in your pool and see if it works.
You can find it online or your local pool store should also stock the A-frame/Turbine kit.
it's a 2 hole but I figured it out by closing off the main drain. Runs like a champ now. Thanks for your videos, I know I'll use them when it's time to replace parts.
I was getting there eventually 😀
Hi, I have an older Navigator & after replacing the turbine gear set (lot's of "slop/wear"), the feet, and the wings it still gets stuck against the bottom step of the pool, just seems to "nose up" slightly and keep shoving itself straight. It'll spend minutes or more like that. Any thoughts? Bumper too rough/worn so it won't slide l/r? When it is at this spot the hose is about 2/3 of it's max distance. 20000 gal pool. I have increased the suction so much that it will climb the walls a few feet & then come off. Also moves around the rest of the pool fine. Where the step hits the pool bottom is less curvy then all the rest, like almost a sharp 90 degree. But it worked fine for years without getting stuck there. Thanks for any thoughts. :)
There is actually another gear set on the top. But I rarely replace those at that point the cleaner is just flat out old. 😜👌 Hayward AXV079VP Medium Turbine Spindle Gear Replacement Kit for Select Hayward Pool Cleaner
@@SPL Thanks SOOO much, I shortened the hose by 1 length (maybe 4.5 ft?) and it no longer gets stuck there. I think the Navigator needs some "resistance" from the hose and when the hose is too long and it gets into a "corner" then the hose just folds over itself and does not give the needed resistance for the navigator to make a turn and move out of the corner. you are the best! Froggy.
sorry...i have one more question...i found the video about the pentair leaf trap. does the pool cleaner come with the female hose connector i will need, or do i need to order one? thanks!!
if i do get sand/silt, should i stick with the pentair canister and order the finer mesh bag? i do tend to get particle debris that settles on the bottom.
Hi! Your videos are very helpful. I am having some terrible with my pool vac. It is going up the walls and getting stuck up there. I will move it and then it will go back and get stuck again. Could you please help me?
I just bought an Navigator from Pinch A Penny, however it is not moving. What do I do?
Great video. We recently had a 60 year old crumbling concrete pool religned with fiberglass. The pods on our Hayward ware completelyworn through and destroyed. Our Hayward also says "for concrete pools" I was just going to replace the unit but am shocked at the cost. Will replacing the pods be fine for our new fiberglass ligned pool?
I don't have the navigator hose and use a straight hose. The navigator moves well but it keeps staying in mostly the deep end of the pool and eventually in 8' circles. Are the sectional hose needed for it to work properly? Thanks
Great Site , 3o yrs ago Pool came with Arneson Pool Vac looks like Hayward. Has a Speed valve for hose . .I bought front and rear flap kit, Didnt notice front/ You helped with that. The only question is What is the best hose to get, how long in feet and there appears to be an adaptor hose for the first section . After all these years would sure loike to have it working Are after market hoses any good ? thanks 16 x 32 greacian 8ft hopper
I've seen some good hoses sets on Amazon.com . The lead hose can be a standard hose also - I've had some running without the first OEM hose and they seem fine.
When we hook it up to the power lock, it blows the hose out. Is there a special part we need to use? What are we doing wrong.
Ours is going 100 mph. How do you slow it down? Also it was fine for 2 months but now it gets stuck on the main drain cover???
What is the name of the black part where the hose connects into the port at the bottom of the skimmer? I can't find it anywhere...
I think that is called a suction side cleaner cone
Hi, my navigator won't turn, I replaced the gear box with the red top part and did the blow test where you hold it to your mouth and blow, it works, I think the problem lies in the gears that connect to the cone/hose. Are you aware of a rebuild kit for this? Thanks for the video.
Hi! Thanks for sharing. Very helpful. Mine was set on 3. Changed to 1 and he still has the power to reach out of the water but not enough power to untangle a gentle twist. Although there is definite improvement. 2 seemed too powerful. Any ideas? Seems to be moving too fast also. Thanks!
Try to lower the suction to in. Sounds like too much suction.
You can just lay the cleaner out long ways so the hoses don't coil. That is why they want you to pull each hose apart. But if you just lay it out along your pool deck when not in use (out of the Sun) that works well. That is what I do with my cleaner also.
My Navigator VFLEX DOESNT have those wheels inside. Is it a but fifferent model ir did past owner mess something up? Model# is : HSC925CCHBR
Great video instructions. Change and out new pods , A-frame and the turbine but seems I'm not getting the proper section underneath the vacuum. I do get a lots and full suction from the hose itself before I hook it up to the vacuum. Thx again
That isn't typical. Is it moving at all on the pool bottom? Thanks for the great feedback
Thank you! I’m useless at this kind of thing but your video has given me the basics and the confidence to give this a good shot! Thanks mate!!
Hi, I have a vac lock on the side wall and a salt generator. When the navigator is inside the pool everything reads normal in the swg but when i take the hose out and the vac lock door closes shut the swg flow light turns red and it stops producing chlorine. Any idea why this might happen? thank you in advance
+zal411 When you take the cleaner out go to the equipment and also turn the side port valve off. What is happening is the line is still open and it is trying to pull water from a closed line - reducing the flow - and shutting off the salt cell. Simply turning the side port valve will solve the issue.
how do you move the navigator in like a v8 motion not in one circular motion or is there a motion in such v8 motion
I noticed that there was not basket in the skimmer but you have a rubber tapered plug that connected to the hose going directly in the skimmer. Is that normal or do you have to have a skimmer basket. I would imagine this is a customer of your but I'm wondering if its functions better with or without basket.
Yes, in the past you needed to remove the skimmer basket. But I invented a product to solve this issue: th-cam.com/video/huAt9BXLu9I/w-d-xo.html
Hi there, I set the rear flap adjuster to position II, but as soon as the pool cleaner starts running it switches back to one!! Any ideas? Thanks
Maybe replace the rear flap.
Where did you get the skimmer cone connector? I have a Hayward Navigator and use a small length of 1/2" pvc to keep the plastic adapter from releasing when the timer goes off. I tried looking up on google but only saw one for a Kreepy Crawler model and it wasn't black
+Michael Jones This one will work fine for you. They are all universal.
www.amazon.com/Cleaner-Skimmer-Adaptor-Baracuda-W70263/dp/B007Q92FEC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453085789&sr=8-1&keywords=skimmer+adapter+cone
Can u do video on how to clean out the sand/dirt at the bottom of an attached spa?
When I go with my son to see the Hang Gliders I see some of them wearing cameras on their noggins. It sounds like a good idea for some of my shots -I try to look subtle when I am working and filming.
Thanks so much! I am considering trying the pool cleaner by pool vergnuegen instead but have some questions. Does it ever get stuck on ladders? Also, how do you attach the filter bag/basket that goes in the vacuum line, and which one do you recommend (I think I saw in a video you recommend one by Pentair)?
I changed parts on mine but the hoses keep twisting and then it hardly moves. Do hoses need to be replaced or is it the gear box ?
It could be the swivel on top is bad. There is another gear set in the top.
would you mind sending me a link or part number for the female part i will need to be able to use the pentair canister with the pool cleaner? i think that's my last question:)!
Hi, our Hayward quit climbing the sides. After no luck with replacing parts, we purchased a new Navi 50 and installed it today. We replaced the basket lid gasket and the jandy three way valve gaskets. Still have the same problem. Any ideas? Jack
So, is there air getting into the system?
@@SPL We don't see air leaking anywhere. Things we should check ?
What does it mean if it keeps floating and isn't staying on the floor? I've tested the suction using their guage, and it's between min and max as recommended.
Air is getting into the line. Check around the pool pump for water. Maybe something as simple as the pump lid -ring
This is a fantastic video! Thanks so much! Do you have a separate place for questions? For example, my vacuum keeps unplugging from the wall several times after it's been plugged in during the day. What could that mean?
Air in the return lines. If you have it attached at the skimmer this works great holding it in: Pentair Kreepy Krauly Hose & Accessories Kreepy Krauly Locking Bar | K12076
How long should it take navigator to turn off a corner? Im not sure if I need to rebuild gears or if its normally just slow to turn
About 30 seconds. If longer it may be wearing out.
Your videos have been so helpful! I got my pool from green to blue overnight following your advice for the first time in years:)!!!! Do you have any reviews on the Tiger Shark pool vac by Hayward? Or thoughts? Thanks so much!
I replaced shoes and flappers and vacuum still does not sweep i have not replace both long brackets?
If it is not moving well it could be the A-Frame/Turbine -they sell a kit.
My beloved Hayward has developed a habit of "braiding" the vacuum hose until it is so twisted that it cannot move. Any ideas on what the problem is and how I might fix it? Thanks!
Sounds like the swivel on top is not moving. Try turning it with your hands and you should be able to spin it. You will need this to fix it if the swivel does not turn with your hand: Hayward AXV079VP Medium Turbine Spindle Gear Replacement Kit
@@SPL :-) thanks!
I have an AquaVac 500 robotic cleaner which has only been used 6 times. Can you tell me what causes it to flip over & stay in that position? On all of the troubleshooting tips, I don't see that problem mentioned. Thank you.
Maureen Cole In my testing if the robot's cord does not reach the full length of the pool it will interfere with the program seek control. Is there enough cord in the pool so the AquaVac 500 can get full coverage? The one in my pool has yet to flip over but it is a small pool 16 ft x32 ft
Thanks for your quick reply! Yes, ours is a 16 x 32 as well...it was purchased new last Fall...haven't used it much at all until this season. It has plenty of cord...and we've cleaned it thoroughly. Thought maybe there was debris in the impeller or something affecting the performance. We have to keep an eye on it & go manually to turn over...it has worked perfectly the other few times we've used it.
Maureen Cole I know the model I have has been tweaked a little by Hayward to increase the rear thrust to prevent this. I wonder if the first units lack this power increase. How many times has it "turtled" on you? I would say if it happens again you can contact Hayward about it and Warranty it out so they can fix the issue. I have run my AquaVac 500 about a 10 times now in three different pools and it hasn't turned over as of yet.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1
Do you have any videos on how to program different times for the Hayward Prologic control panel
+Tim Williams not yet.
The navigator moves well but it keeps staying in mostly the deep end of the pool and eventually in 8' circles, only turns to the right. Need help tried everything.
Hello there, my vacume hasnt been cleaning the bottom is there a switch or mode that can be changed to make it stay at the bottom? Thanks
And thats why i see the videos all the way before asking lol nvm thanks
Pedro Sauceda Do you mean the cleaner floats off of the bottom? - just want to be clear.
Oh my bad i wasnt clear... It was going up on the walls and not staying on the floor. but i saw your video explained how to change that. Thanks. I didnt watch the video all the way at the time of my question😬
Mine always get hung up in the beach entry. Is there a way to better fine tune this cleaner or is there a better cleaner out there for beach entries? Thanks! Your videos are amazing!!!
Not much you can do except shorten the hoses if possible. Is it connected to a pool side port or at the skimmer?
My Hayward moves well, gets stuck at every corner. I just changed out the bottom parts, feet and flaps. What else could it be? great videos ty.
Could be the A-Frame/Turbine:
Replacing Hayward Navigator
A-Frame/Turbine re-build video th-cam.com/video/jD9hiFQBthA/w-d-xo.html
My Hayward Vacuum is two years old. It gets stuck nightly on my ( one of two ) drains. ( grumbles ) This is my first pool and your videos have been my HOW TO from the get go so for that-- THANXOXO!!
9 yrs ago . . . I know. They sell main drain cover bumper guards that solve this problem.
Plastic pieces that snap on to the main drain covers. They have a raised round rubber center that the navigator bumps up against, keeping it from going over the center of the drain cover where they tend to latch on and stay there.
With a little finesse, you can get them into place by using the handle-end of the pole that the net or brush is usually attached to. I've accidently knocked mine loose a couple of times with the net and was able to put them back that way. Otherwise, someone has to dive down there. No thanks!
hi i just want to know why the pool shuts off when ever i put the vacuum in??? can you help ?? :)
I have been trying to find that adjustable skimmer insert and threaded piece. Any idea where?
+Erica Pallaron Amazon.com or ebay should have them.
thank you so much for all the info! i will take your advice and check on the hayward canidster also. one other thought...i see the company recommends storing the vac with the hoses straight. is it a pain to put back together every time you want to vacuum, or is this really necessary? thanks again! your videos have helped me get my pool in amazing shape very quickly.
Very Helpful. Thanks. my cleaner gets stuck in places where the pool floor curves up the side and on the anti suction drain on the bottom of the pool. What can I do to alleviate this problem?____ Rocky
Are you able to turn the main drain off? That usually solves the issue.
Thanks. that works for not getting stuck on the drain but what about it getting stuck where the wall and floor come together in a slight curve?
Great Video, but I want to know what causes the cleaner hose to keep getting tangled up, and how do you fix that problem.
Take it out of the pool with the pool pump off. Remove the 1st hose and then hose off the swivel really well. Sometimes small particles get stuck in their causing it not to swivel well. Also I suggest rotating the hoses around - move the ones on the bottom to closer to the wall/skimmer connection.
Thanks a lot , I will give that a try.
Thanks for your video! You solved my problem with my Navigator... I was at the end of my rope & was about go buy another unit... now I feel like I got a new sweeper!
My hayward scoots along fine, but it seems to only turn left. I just finished replacing all the bottom end, feet, wings, and the A frame. What would cause it to keep turning left in the same circle????
Could be something jammed in the swivel on top or may be one of the pods is not all the way tight. Remove the wing plug and see if that threaded nut is completely tight in the pods.
Hayward AXV079VP Medium Turbine Spindle Gear Replacement Kit for Select Hayward Pool Cleaner -this is the part I think you need.
Great video and very informative. My Navigator needs some love so I will be taking care of it this weekend.
My pool vac gets stuck in corners and against walls. I’ve replaced almost all parts...any ideas?
have an older version of this vac which but all interior fairly new. It keeps getting stuck on the drains which are identical to the ones you have in the pool shown. How do u keep it from getting stuck on floor drains?
You will have to turn off the main drain. If yours is old like this one there should be a valve by the equipment -hopefully. It is the suction from the main drain that it causing the Navigator to get stuck.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 I have it at 3/4 towards the vacuum and 1/4 skimmer power. Stiill gets stuck. Was told i can get some little ramps.
GN702 Hmm. Did you remove the float valve diverter from the skimmer? It is the white UFO looking device. Take that out and see how it works.
not sure what your talking about sir. The only thing that looks like a ufo there is the skimmer's cover. lol
GN702 Okay, under your skimmer basket do you see one of these:
www.poolpartsonline.com/p-101345-replacement-for-waterway-plastics-part-5426200.aspx?gclid=CLiQn7fr2b0CFYqIfgodmToAQw
If so remove it. That is the UFO I was talking about ;)
This is common in a two hole skimmer. If your skimmer has one hole I can also instruct you how to turn off the main drain at the skimmer.
I am not a huge fan of robot cleaners. they work but are very expensive. I prefer a suction oe pressure side cleaner. I have a review of the Dolphin Diagnostic which looks similar.
One issue that defeats this vac is a Hayward drain grill. When my pool was recently refinished the original slightly domed open design cover was replaced with one of the Hayward designs that prevents suction accidents with hair getting sucked into the drain or a body getting stuck on an active drain. This cover is a solid barrier to the navigator, it gets stuck on it and stays there. What is required is some sort of circular ramp, but Ive never found one.
This might work. Or trade up to a Polaris MAXX cleaner. www.amazon.com/Zodiac-5820-White-Unibridge-Replacement/dp/B002SG7NQI?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=A3N0LFM77402&th=1
Hi there, followed this guide and your a-frame guide and replaced the components, it’s been working okay but it seems like sometimes it tries to climb the wall a bit and then does a “wheelie” and ends up on it’s butt or side, would you have any recommendations?
Try increasing the suction to the cleaner. See if that helps it.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 i got it working, I had to just “reset” the little back flapper, I moved it from 1 to 3, then back to 1, maybe I accidentally touched the rear mechanism when working on it
What would be a good replacement for this cleaner in a fiberglass pool? Zodiac Ranger? G3?
Ranger
question: I have the vac xl, it was stuck where it just turned one direction, I searched the web and it said replace the gearbox, which I did, now it won't turn, it ends up at my stairs and sits there, did I not install the gearbox correctly, The RED plastic piece that attaches to the gearbox, fell off and I do not know if the orientation matters when I put it back on....or could it be something else I did not do right when I put it all back together
fixed it, took it apart again and found 2 potential issues, the screen was potentially not seated properly and the bearings on the black spinner part, I didn't know they needed to sit in the groove to prevent them from turning, fixed both issues, now it turns exactly as it's intended, thanks!
Glad you got it working - gears upon gears in this one.`
My hayward gets stuck by the stairs. What do you think the issue is. If i move it to the middle of the pool, it runs perfectly and even climb the walls.
The mesh bag included with the Pentair Canister is good enough. It is fine enough to trap sand & silt.
Our navigator works great in the deep in but gets stuck going up to the shallow end. The suction will almost suck your fingers off. I tried my dads new navigator and it does the same thing. Any suggestions?
What type of pool surface is it?
My Hayward will cruise at a pretty good speed, but then almost come to a stop... Then speed up. Then slow down??? Any thoughts?
+Chris Patton Maybe air in your pool lines. Do you see bubbles coming out of the return jets?
sure. I already filmed one put haven't built it yet.
are vacuum is very slow and barley moves. any tips?
Could be a number of reasons. Dirty pool filter, clogged pool pump basket, clogged cleaner or the Navigator needs a tune-up.
+Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 Thanks for the tip, it was actually dirty pool filter. it's fix now, with your help.
Hi, thanks for the info! Where to buy the pool skimmer insert you showed at the beginning of the video?
You can also video the problem and post it on your channel. Let me know when it is uploaded and I can look at it to get a better idea. Film when you connect it, the filter pressure gauge and a general shot of your pool pump area. If you have time.
Do you recondition and sell old Hayward Navigators?
On occasion. Currently I don' have one. But I do rebuild them when I get one.
When you do, could you email or message us please? I'm not sure how to email from YT. Thanks!
How about if I replaced the a-frame and still not moving. I changed the pods, flaps, screen in the back and white frame. When I pick it up it's moving really fast. I give it full suction and still when I lay it against the floor nothing. You think something came loose inside???
Maybe the tab that locks the bearings in position is out of place. How old is the unit?
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 not really sure but it's brand new now after I replace mostly everything on it even the hoses.
Funny. Just take it apart and recheck the area where the bearings set. And make sure also that the pods are tight.
Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 just wanted to let you know that it was the bearings.. they were not locked into the tabs.. thanks!! You never fail me!!
Hiw do I get it to stop getting stuck on the main drain?
The only solution is to turn off the main drain and if that doesn't work then your pool probably has a main drain that is not compatible with this cleaner. You may want to sell it and get a Hayward PoolCleaner (AquaNaut) - designed to not get stuck on main drains.
Hi, I just bought a Navigator V Flex today. Tested the flow with the meter and it barely hit the minimum. short of returning it what do I do. The pump is a 1HP. Is that the problem?
1hp should be plenty. Make sure filter is clean. Where is the navigator connected? Skimmer or side port?
I have a new Hayward XL purchased Oct 2016, it starts but then quits right away. I have a solar system, I do not have a pool man at this time, my husband took care of the pool, but he passed away in January, and with everything else, I have not gotten a pool man. I read the little manual, and it says to remove the vacuum from the hose as there may be an airlock, but I am unable to do that, it is stuck on there and just turns, any suggestions?
What area of the country are you in?
Las Vegas, NV USA, bought the unit at Leslies.
Try one of these two guys who are in your area. Rosas Pool Service LLC
Phone: 702-464-3084 or PoolStar
(702) 557-6625
Thank you very much for your help, I appreciate it. Ellen
My Navigator is not moving, where do I buy the A frame??
I know this is mega old but does anyone know why my navigator won't move when inserted into the side vacuum port, but does work when in the skimmer port?
Maybe the sideport needs more suction. It should be adjustable
I keep having problems with this cleaner it keeps falling to its side. What can I do?? Please help
Maybe one of the pods is worn out. Check thast
Hello! I just purchased the pool vac XL and the first day it seemed as it was working perfectly... But after a week, I noticed the suction very low. I checked for any debris in the turbine, but all was clean. I then put my hand under the vac and did noticed suction to be somewhat low. How do I increase suction?
Hmm. How is the filter pressure and did you check the pump basket also? Have to ask. If that is fine then:
Next to something in the turbine there could be debris in the hoses. Start at the last hose and unhook it, check for suction and if it is really good go one to the next hose until you get to the cleaner head. Sometimes stuff gets lodged in the hoses.
If still nothing let me know.
It's at 10
Frank Barz What about the pump basket?
Sorry, I hadn't finished reading your response before I replied. But yes, my filter pressure is at 10 and I haven't checked the holes... This is a good idea. Thanks for the help my friend!
Also, what area do you service?... I would like to change the water of my fiberglass pool and might want to hire your services... Thanks for all the help!
Frank Barz I've got a network of pool guys from Riverside, LA, Orange County to San Diego that I can refer your way. Depending if you are in those areas. I also know of a local company that will filter your water without a drain and make it like new.
Thank you so much! At 4:00 I never knew that adjustment was there. My little man doesn't get stuck anymore climbing walls.
My Howard Pool Vac Plus Tangles The Hose Real Bad Like It Is Going In Circles? Replaced The Barings Still No Good Results. HELP
It is probably the gears located in the top of the cleaner. Yes, there are more parts in the top of this thing. I am actually working on a video to show you how to replace these gears. Here is the part to replace to fix your problem. I assume your Vac is pretty old?
Hayward Pool Cleaner Medium Turbine/Spindle Gear Kit Vinyl AXV079VP. In the process of filming this video also.
Thank You. The Gears That You Are Talking About Is That The Set Of Four Or Five Of Them In The Top Of The Inside Of The Cleaner?
Usually if the hose is tangled like that it is the gears on the top. Occasionally one side of the a-frame wears out and one pod doesn't move causing this also. But yes, those are the gears. The link didn't open?
Sounds like their is something stuck in the turbine. Take it out of the pool & turn it over. You will see a screw. Unscrew it until the bottom piece comes out. Check the turbine for a rock. Shake it and you might hear it. If it checks out OK let me know.
Thank you ! Just bought a house with a pool that has this cleaner ... we are used to infloor cleaner system from our prior pool ! Thanks again Helped !
You have a parts list for the standard Hayward?
I believe all the parts are the same for the last 20 years - just the top body changes:
www.poolplaza.com/C-Hayward-Navigator-Pool-Cleaner-Parts-4407.html
My Hayward pool cleaner stays on one side of the pool. I have checked every part and they are working good.
It might need more suction to get up the pool slope. If it is vinyl pool you might need the vinyl shoe kit
Great videos. you should consider a hands free videocam like the looxcie so you can use both hands while filming.
Helped me a bunch, as a new pool owner tips like these can be invaluable!
Thanks for the positive comment!
Great videos Frank. Im a newbie pool owner so these are great. Dumb question: Do I have to clean the debris out of the Hayward? I looked at the unit but I couldn't figure out how to open it up and clean out the leaves n stuff!
Witch way on the valve to ajust the suction?
You mean the skimmer insert? it turns both ways - one way closes it to allow more cleaner suction and the other to reduce it. If that is what you are referring to.
+Swimming Pool Tips, Reviews & How To -MrDgvb1 witch way do you turn it
mine seems to work fine until it hits the bottom of the pool then it wont move. But it runs if I hold under water. Basically the moment the feet are depressed it stops the paddle wheel from turning. cant figure it out
I would change the A-Frame turbine.
Thank you for the video. You are right too many parts can go wrong. I have to repair mine regularly. I do not recommend it to anyone even to my enemies.
why does the vaccum get stuck on the sides
+Nancy Raffoul Maybe the shoes on the bottom are worn down?
my hayward navigator gets stuck on the flush main drain
Try turning the main drain off. That should solve the issue.
YES, BUT WHY IS IT GETTING STUCK ON MAIN DRAQIN? JUST STARTED HAPPENING A FEW WEEKS AGO.
Why mine goes only in circles ?? Not straight ??
One of the pods might be worn out. I would change both of those
How do I stop my hose from twisting?
Andrew Defilippis It is probably the swivel on top. Maybe some debris is stuck in it. Also a bad a-frame/turbine can cause spinning and if your cleaner is several years old the gears on top could be bad. Oh, and there is a small gearbox inside that can go bad but usually rare.