This was incredible and so informative. Especially with how the folk understanding of the term neoliberalism has changed over the years, especially in online spaces, hearing it so fully dissected in this format was amazing and clarifying.
That section at the end on post-neoliberalism was paradigm-shifting for me. Slobodian gave me an entire framework to understanding current events in the span of 7 minutes. Amazing podcast Joshua!
As always, Prof. Quinn brings his solid insight on how Neoliberals are shaping the world (not using their invisible hand) using their legal hand. Also it will be great to see Prof. Philip Mirowski on your podcast.
This was great. Very intellectually stimulating conversation and I will be recommending this to other people. I think we can all agree it’s hard to make sense of the times we are in so contextualizing these things is immensely important. Great work!
Not for nothing, top tier intellectuals are at their happiest when doing elon crackpot theories. Never seen that much glee on Josh's face. Thank you for adding to this vital discourse.
Fuck legacy media… but this program should be syndicated to every PBS and NPR in the country… Americans need this. All perspectives are important and there are few doing something as on point as Doomscroll.
Just finished this guys book crack up capitalism and it is an absolute banger, cannot recommend enough for anyone looking to understand modern economics
Fantastic episode here Josh - what I will say is that, in the three conceptions / definitions Quinn gives of neoliberalism, none of them were what I imagine it as. Then, funnily, everything he says after that more or less agrees wholesale with what my conception of neoliberalism is. My definition in a fully expanded form (though I'm also down with shortening it - terrible editor), fwiw, is... "Neoliberalism is the subjugation of a democratic decision making order to a new rules-based order, which seeks to protect existing capital through ring-fencing sections of society into protected economic spaces of activity (protection from the state, from the working classes, etc.), and expand capital through the creation of yet further spaces which seek to undermine the protections of the state on other forms of activity (ie, social protections, labour protections, financial regulations, etc.). It acts in opposition to the state, yet operates to the benefit of state actors, and all of the mechanisms it uses to expand it's activities are gained from the gift of the state."
My heart drops. A new Doomscroll episode. Could this be it? Nick Mullen finally on the podcast? But no, my expectations have been ruined once again. Also, I’m gay.
Best I've ever seen do it is Philip Mirowski Give you a test spin tho Nope not direct enough Started in 1880 Mont Perlin by 1930 had pervaded protruded falsified all aspects of academia and damn near life in general Political economy is a respectable discipline economics is pure fucking propaganda They intentionally went into sociology anthropology everything except for what they pretend to be political economist The core belief is markets are godheads CPUs or information processors. Which means your only job is to decipher the chicken guts. Zuckerberg success make more sense now? Wasn't an opposition to the state but reality itself gave you both iterations of the Chicago School and decades of The worst part is needless excessive unnecessary misery death an destruction Another first step was to remove *"the history of"* from every department So you wouldn't know things like even America's first Conservative Business School Wharton said infrastructure was a fourth factor of production It's price vs value not supply and demand Ricardo literally tried to remove money an banking from economics lol ECT ECT Take note the same thing is happening to computer science departments today I wonder why? Come to $Add color technology Crush the shadow banks 1000m shares short 1m float
I have recently struggled to explain to people why I think that Trump is not neoliberal and is actually ushering in the end of neoliberalism, even though he is kind of using the tools of neoliberalism. Unfortunately everyone just uses it as a term to describe privatization.
If CEOs are going to be the next rulers, we really need to change the rules by which they are accountable. They can be sued if they do or don't do something that causes short term losses, even if those losses could be projected to be made back later. Its why, on the face of it, ESG isn't a bad idea, its just that ESG became to embody DEI values. If it was just Environmental and Governance it would work.
This one was really good Josh, thank you!! I think it would've been interesting to push more upon the concept of SEZ's and the nature of changing relationships with the greater world market. How will SEZ's change or adapt as more come into existence, there must be a market for SEZ's themselves, but if the world becomes too saturated with them what will happen, cannibalism? The history of SEZ's seems to require proximity too large populations and functioning market, but if the scales of international trade and trade law tip in their favor to such an extent as Quinn suggests wouldn't it lead to a scenario akin to an algae bloom which will choke itself out of it's own resources and demand.
Exceptional guest. On the question of alternative currencies, if we accept the MMT claim that a tax liability is necessary to anchor and drive the value of sovereign, variable currency (historically this has been true for at least 300 years), and given that all crypto currently relies on the dollar, aren't these anarcho libertarians kind of stuck with having to impose a tax liability of their own should they wish to have a currency that anyone will accept? Or will they peg to the dollar? I'm aware many are goldbugs and they have tried to create digital gold, but the dollar is still what gives any of this stuff any value. As it stands, all cryptos don't really work on their own as currency Are they planning their own central banks? Anyone can create a currency. The hard part is getting someone to accept it.
There's so much confusion about the term. People see "liberal" and they equate it with "progressive" or "leftist", which are the opposite of neoliberalism.
In 2009 I was hitting on/dancing with a girl at a bar who had just come back to our hometown from Honduras as part of her a job she got, after finishing her degree in like international something something studies. She apparently worked for some NGO that was doing work with the State Dept. I asked her what the deal was w Manuel Zelaya getting removed and she basically said "oh yeah we had to do that"
The “author”’of ancap theory was Rothbard, not Friedman. Rothbard was also Hoppe’s mentor who you also mentioned. Rothbard derived his theory from natural rights where Friedman is a utilitarian
Ban social impact bonds crypto and esg telepresence labor globotics borderless payments delete the digital twin Best I've ever seen do it is Philip Mirowski Give you a test spin tho Nope not direct enough Started in 1880 Mont Perlin by 1930 had pervaded protruded falsified all aspects of academia and damn near life in general Political economy is a respectable discipline economics is pure fucking propaganda They intentionally went into sociology anthropology everything except for what they pretend to be political economist The core belief is markets are godheads CPUs or information processors. Which means your only job is to decipher the chicken guts. Zuckerberg success make more sense now? Wasn't an opposition to the state but reality itself gave you both iterations of the Chicago School and decades of The worst part is needless excessive unnecessary misery death an destruction Another first step was to remove *"the history of"* from every department So you wouldn't know things like even America's first Conservative Business School Wharton said infrastructure was a fourth factor of production It's price vs value not supply and demand Ricardo literally tried to remove money an banking from economics lol ECT ECT Take note the same thing is happening to computer science departments today I wonder why? Come to $Add color technology Crush the shadow banks 1000m shares short 1m float
No offence to the other guests but it is so nice to listen to someone who knows what they're talking about.
I thought Catherine Liu had a lot to say.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT JOSH
NO MORE DASHA ?!
@@Wilsnap blondes are the best
After you have Nick Mullen on, this is the type of guest we want.
I think it’s important to listen to the anarcho tech weirdos too. As Quinn says, they wield a lot of power in the real world. Know thy enemy.
Isn't this nice? It's so nice.
Had to get this intellectual enema after the dasha nekrasova interview 🙏
for real lol
Unendurable
This is not much better. I am waiting for the Slavoj Zizek interview.
yeah you're such an intellectual -- we're so lucky to have your comments
@@2501bprojectwhy do you think that? I thought this guy is pretty bona fided
Ima be real as an actual working class guy who dropped outta high school and found his way to chapo at 35 these interviews are broadening af
welcome to the enlightenment
If you want to go deeper check out the podcast The Dig with Daniel Denvir. Quinn has been on that a couple of times if I recall.
lol welcome. Glad you came now, because the dirtbag left finally has some mainstream appeal. Five years ago it was pretty rough
Seconding the dig rec.
Never too late to broaden and learn bro
Chapo check
This was incredible and so informative. Especially with how the folk understanding of the term neoliberalism has changed over the years, especially in online spaces, hearing it so fully dissected in this format was amazing and clarifying.
Best ep since Liu
That section at the end on post-neoliberalism was paradigm-shifting for me. Slobodian gave me an entire framework to understanding current events in the span of 7 minutes. Amazing podcast Joshua!
Australian here - this is the best take on the landscape we find ourselves in. An extremely important conversation I’ll share widely. Please continue!
This guy is backed by Peter Thiel. He defers to Israel. You should look into it.
@@trvst5938I have looked into it and it appears to be baseless
I can't stress enough how much interviews like this help me get through the work week.
That's bleak
this podcast is a fricking public service
This guy is the smartest guy I have heard from in a while. Thank you Citarella for having Quinn Slobadian on. Great work
“Gaza is a phenomenal location for a riviera” resonates differently after watching this video
Best episode in a while!
One of the best episodes yet. Thank you.
As always, Prof. Quinn brings his solid insight on how Neoliberals are shaping the world (not using their invisible hand) using their legal hand. Also it will be great to see Prof. Philip Mirowski on your podcast.
Maybe my fav one yet. This was fucking amazing. Quinn is brilliant and so are you Josh!
This was great. Very intellectually stimulating conversation and I will be recommending this to other people. I think we can all agree it’s hard to make sense of the times we are in so contextualizing these things is immensely important. Great work!
Thank god for something to actually digest. Already listening to this for the second time around
Not for nothing, top tier intellectuals are at their happiest when doing elon crackpot theories. Never seen that much glee on Josh's face. Thank you for adding to this vital discourse.
An hour went and I could hardly tell!!! Brilliant interview, hope you have him on again sometime
This slaps! Incredible get for an interview. Thank you based Josh.
This was such an insightful and well-researched interview!
This was a phenomenal interview. Great job
Gonna have to watch this one twice
Same. So much dense info to absorb. Worth watching multiple times.
Very disappointed this wasn't another NY millennial with a podcast 👨
If he gets Adam friedland or Nick Mullen it will be an unsubscribe from me
didnt know Ebon Moss-Bachrach knows so much about neoliberalism, its so cool
I enjoyed this but a lot of it went over my head if i’m being honest. Joshua is such a knowledgable guy.
that was great. thank you both.
This is gonna be a timeless one
This is fantastic. Extremely interesting and informative.
This is phenomenal
Fuck legacy media… but this program should be syndicated to every PBS and NPR in the country… Americans need this. All perspectives are important and there are few doing something as on point as Doomscroll.
I love love love this podcast.
Great conversation!
Great guest!
This guy is excellent and he has a Star Wars character name
Loved this. Maybe my favorite yet.
Ah, yes, the thinking man's Looper.
damn they got the guy who hasn’t been on The Adam Friedland Show
That's not stav
i liked this so much i listened twice
Joshua is the Lex Friendman for Chads.
@@kaffeewerks9609 listen to the recent episode on Lex Fridman by decoding the gurus. Great listen and dunking on the big moron.
“Anyone who has begun to think places some portion of the world in jeopardy. “-John Dewey
Its honestly insulting for Joshua
@@MZ-9993 Have some fun
Amazing talk 👏👏👍👍
Not enough ads.
Not enough Dasha
@@SR-ti6jj Dasha looks like if Beavis and Butthead were the same person, but trans.
I was wondering when Quinn would be on Doomscroll. What a great guest. Cracked Up Capitalism is such a good book.
fantastic interview, ive already listened to the entire hour 16 minutes of it
LMFAO
you truly are a fan
Couldn’t last another 37 seconds?
“when does shit posting end and policy begin?” oooohhhfff so grateful for this episode
Just finished this guys book crack up capitalism and it is an absolute banger, cannot recommend enough for anyone looking to understand modern economics
found a book titled “crack-up capitalism” written by this feller in a free little library and I can’t recommend it enough.
This is important.
Slobodian? How bout slob-on-my-knob-Ian?
Great episode and guest so far ❤
Joshua needs to interview ian fidance on the gay performance art that is his life
Great minds think alike
No thank you.
Slobodian? How about, "I'm a friggin' gay guy over here!"
Our boy is making strides in the podcast world.
I just bought cracked-up capitalism and its fantastic. So interesting.
Not my favorite author on my favorite podcast. Amazing episode!
I watch these videos fervently even tho they make me wanna die for the most part lol
Holy shit the information out of this just 20 minutes in is so satisfying
Gracias!.
I still go to Loic Wacquant and David Harvey for understanding neoliberalism. But neither is as cute as Joshua! Please stay on my laptop screen ❤
Quinn is one of the great minds at the moment.
I just watched this twice back to back.
Quinn has some great hair.
TH-cam creators and TH-cam recommendations have achieved temporal alignment with my curiosity. How deep does the algorithm go?
Fantastic episode here Josh - what I will say is that, in the three conceptions / definitions Quinn gives of neoliberalism, none of them were what I imagine it as. Then, funnily, everything he says after that more or less agrees wholesale with what my conception of neoliberalism is.
My definition in a fully expanded form (though I'm also down with shortening it - terrible editor), fwiw, is...
"Neoliberalism is the subjugation of a democratic decision making order to a new rules-based order, which seeks to protect existing capital through ring-fencing sections of society into protected economic spaces of activity (protection from the state, from the working classes, etc.), and expand capital through the creation of yet further spaces which seek to undermine the protections of the state on other forms of activity (ie, social protections, labour protections, financial regulations, etc.). It acts in opposition to the state, yet operates to the benefit of state actors, and all of the mechanisms it uses to expand it's activities are gained from the gift of the state."
My heart drops. A new Doomscroll episode. Could this be it? Nick Mullen finally on the podcast? But no, my expectations have been ruined once again. Also, I’m gay.
Awesome discusion
More of this!
Best I've ever seen do it is Philip Mirowski
Give you a test spin tho
Nope not direct enough
Started in 1880
Mont Perlin by 1930 had pervaded protruded falsified all aspects of academia and damn near life in general
Political economy is a respectable discipline economics is pure fucking propaganda
They intentionally went into sociology anthropology everything except for what they pretend to be political economist
The core belief is markets are godheads CPUs or information processors.
Which means your only job is to decipher the chicken guts.
Zuckerberg success make more sense now?
Wasn't an opposition to the state but reality itself gave you both iterations of the Chicago School and decades of
The worst part is needless excessive unnecessary misery death an destruction
Another first step was to remove
*"the history of"*
from every department
So you wouldn't know things like even America's first Conservative Business School Wharton said infrastructure was a fourth factor of production
It's price vs value not supply and demand
Ricardo literally tried to remove money an banking from economics lol
ECT ECT
Take note the same thing is happening to computer science departments today
I wonder why?
Come to $Add color technology
Crush the shadow banks
1000m shares short 1m float
Waiting for the Tooze interview
Really good
Thanks fellers
finally a guest whos not radiating hitler particles and has an actual perspective beyond internet subculture
And now I know why Elon hates Vivian so much. Fantastic episode.
48:40 CAYMAN ISLANDS MENTIONED 🇰🇾🇰🇾🇰🇾🔥🔥🔥
I have recently struggled to explain to people why I think that Trump is not neoliberal and is actually ushering in the end of neoliberalism, even though he is kind of using the tools of neoliberalism. Unfortunately everyone just uses it as a term to describe privatization.
Trump is absolutely neoliberal. He even touches on this at the end of the interview
I changed my mind, interview Dasha again!
Gabriel Rockhill would be a stellar guest
If CEOs are going to be the next rulers, we really need to change the rules by which they are accountable. They can be sued if they do or don't do something that causes short term losses, even if those losses could be projected to be made back later. Its why, on the face of it, ESG isn't a bad idea, its just that ESG became to embody DEI values. If it was just Environmental and Governance it would work.
This one was really good Josh, thank you!! I think it would've been interesting to push more upon the concept of SEZ's and the nature of changing relationships with the greater world market. How will SEZ's change or adapt as more come into existence, there must be a market for SEZ's themselves, but if the world becomes too saturated with them what will happen, cannibalism? The history of SEZ's seems to require proximity too large populations and functioning market, but if the scales of international trade and trade law tip in their favor to such an extent as Quinn suggests wouldn't it lead to a scenario akin to an algae bloom which will choke itself out of it's own resources and demand.
Joshua's talking style reminds me of how Jeremy Strong talks (actor from succession). Their rhythm and cadence seem similar to me.
Exceptional guest.
On the question of alternative currencies, if we accept the MMT claim that a tax liability is necessary to anchor and drive the value of sovereign, variable currency (historically this has been true for at least 300 years), and given that all crypto currently relies on the dollar, aren't these anarcho libertarians kind of stuck with having to impose a tax liability of their own should they wish to have a currency that anyone will accept? Or will they peg to the dollar?
I'm aware many are goldbugs and they have tried to create digital gold, but the dollar is still what gives any of this stuff any value. As it stands, all cryptos don't really work on their own as currency
Are they planning their own central banks?
Anyone can create a currency. The hard part is getting someone to accept it.
great convo ! the choice of the afghan war rug was a nice subtle touch.
Great videos, keep it up
More this less dasha PLEASE
Can we get Liz Franczak?
I wonder how someone with this much knowledge stays sane
You don't
In they usually delete erase you anyways
Pierpoint Morgan's mentor Drexel
Was literal lambardos of them and Cahorsin fame
Neo-liberalism is a long, slow walk back towards monarchism.
There's so much confusion about the term. People see "liberal" and they equate it with "progressive" or "leftist", which are the opposite of neoliberalism.
another fire crewneck, thats whats up
Why are these not showing up on my podcast catcher?
The chapo guy never showed up at all plus there’s a show on my podcast app not on yt.
Hugo Grotius' Mare Liberum mentioned
When will this make it into the podcast feed?
that's some serious joshing in the intro
This guy is the bomb
mhnmm mhmm mhmm
This is such a great show.
I appreciate Josh swapping out his usual footwear so I could tell him apart from his guest.
In 2009 I was hitting on/dancing with a girl at a bar who had just come back to our hometown from Honduras as part of her a job she got, after finishing her degree in like international something something studies. She apparently worked for some NGO that was doing work with the State Dept. I asked her what the deal was w Manuel Zelaya getting removed and she basically said "oh yeah we had to do that"
it’s clobbering time!
anarcho-luigism
Uh, slobbering time?!
This ruled
Hey! Anyone able to recommend one of this guy's books? I see my local library has crack-up capitalism
The “author”’of ancap theory was Rothbard, not Friedman. Rothbard was also Hoppe’s mentor who you also mentioned. Rothbard derived his theory from natural rights where Friedman is a utilitarian
when onion rings i pick up the phone 📞
God this system really is pure evil isn't it?
Ban social impact bonds crypto and esg telepresence labor globotics borderless payments delete the digital twin
Best I've ever seen do it is Philip Mirowski
Give you a test spin tho
Nope not direct enough
Started in 1880
Mont Perlin by 1930 had pervaded protruded falsified all aspects of academia and damn near life in general
Political economy is a respectable discipline economics is pure fucking propaganda
They intentionally went into sociology anthropology everything except for what they pretend to be political economist
The core belief is markets are godheads CPUs or information processors.
Which means your only job is to decipher the chicken guts.
Zuckerberg success make more sense now?
Wasn't an opposition to the state but reality itself gave you both iterations of the Chicago School and decades of
The worst part is needless excessive unnecessary misery death an destruction
Another first step was to remove
*"the history of"*
from every department
So you wouldn't know things like even America's first Conservative Business School Wharton said infrastructure was a fourth factor of production
It's price vs value not supply and demand
Ricardo literally tried to remove money an banking from economics lol
ECT ECT
Take note the same thing is happening to computer science departments today
I wonder why?
Come to $Add color technology
Crush the shadow banks
1000m shares short 1m float
Everytime I'm reminded, I have a seething anger
@16:13 this should tell you where this guy stands. You can’t question the veto holding members of the UN. 👍