@@confusedsquirrel You sure? He lifes in France? I mean there is a Szene in Tintin in Kongo, so maybe? At least in the Books there isn't any clear Prof there hes from.
@@Sunaki1000 he his officially from Brussels, the settings of the comics itself is ambiguous enough that he could be living either there or in France Also we don't speak of Tintin in Congo X)
HEY, there might be some SPOILERS under the thing 0:00 Audio issues begin 7:10 Laying out the criteria 9:45 Columbo 11:30 Red shouts me out 13:15 Sherlock Holmes 20:40 Miss Marple 27:20: Hercule Poirot 30:20 We all have our hobbies 33:10 Tintin 39:15 Nancy Drew 43:35 Sam Spade 47:50 Yusuke Urameshi 50:10 Lord Peter Wimsey 54:35 Batman 55:50 I mean… it’s obviously Nightwing 1:00:05 Inspector Clouseau (Pink Panther) 1:02:30 Shawn Spencer (Psych) 1:05:45 Mystery inc. (The Scooby Gang) 1:09:45 Dick Tracy 1:13:40 Dick Gumshoe (Phoenix Wright) 1:16:00 Benoit Blanc (Knives Out) 1:21:10 L (Death Note) 1:27:30 The migration of the L begins 1:28:55 John Constantine 1:34:25 The BAU (Criminal Minds) 1:41:15 Jake Peralta (Brooklyn 99) 1:46:05 Detective Pikachu 1:49:10 Jessica Jones 1:52:10 Eddy Valiant (Who Framed Roger Rabbit) 1:55:40 Inspector Zenigata (Lupin the Third) 1:59:50 Steve (Blues Clues) 2:06:10 Miss Fischer 2:08:05 Father Brown 2:09:05 Philip Marlowe 2:11:05 Magnum PI 2:13:25 Rick Deckard (Bladerunner) 2:16:30 Detective Dee 2:20:20 Sam Vimes (Discworld series) 2:24:20 Longmire 2:28:45 Elisa Maza (Gargoyles) 2:31:00 Chase Devineaux (Carmen Sandiego) 2:33:35 Ace Ventura 2:36:00 Professor Layton 2:38:20 Talking about Sonic 2:51:20 Talking about The Rock and Transformers 2:56:45 Evil announcer recap I think for these tier lists they should put their predetermined list on the screen at the start, so that the people watching lives can focus on advocating for things that aren’t already on the list. That’s my suggestion. Adrian Monk is S tier, don’t at me. Any moments I missed? Feel free to post them here. Is it Thursday yet?
Thank you so much! Little disappointed there aren't many more detectives from UK murder mysteries (Morse, Frost, Luther, Barnaby from Midsomer Murders), but this should be fun to watch nonetheless!
@@thisamazingguyspage My mom was watching so many British Murder Mysteries since the pandemic started I couldn't keep their names straight so didn't advocate for them well
I watched Knives Out with director's commentary, and they both cracked up when one of them said "So originally, Benoit Blanc was going to have a *subtle* cajun accent."
@@bepisthescienceman4202 Yeah I have him pegged at 23, tbh. Old enough (in theory) to have been living on his own and adulting for a while, but not THAT long, so compared to a lot of the other characters around him he's still basically Baby
I love the the Indigo plushie looks like it's actively trying crawl off the chair or was in the process but has since gotten lazy and doesn't want to continue.
@@alexpalex-banana Ducks are hilariously ineffective at biting. A comparable saying would be "beaten with a wet noodle". It's the kind of inconvenience you barely even notice.
There's a wild theory out there that Steve became a spook and ran black ops in A-Stan. He (the actual guy) left the show in early 2002 when US entered Afghanistan and only reemerged now after the 2nd Saigon. Its most definitelly bullshit, but still funny.
I know that's not how the tier list works, but I love to think that, in their heads, the Scooby Gang (a himbo, a nerdy asshole, a clever madwoman, a cowardly stoner and a literal talking dog) are the fourth best detectives of all of fiction
I personally would have ranked them lower, because in almost every episode they get lead onto the wrong track to the point that they consider believing that they are actually facing a supernatural problem this time. They always solve the mystery in the end, but they spend an awful lot of time falling for the deception and running away from fake monsters in the process.
@@chrisrudolf9839 I wouldn't blame them for running away from fake monsters. I, too, would run away from a man dressed up as a zombie if he was chasing me.
@@loganmcgregor775 what if it’s the fifty third time? What if that was only counting zombies specifically? Would you still run? Or start carrying a big stick?
@@loganmcgregor775 A strange man dressed as a horror icon is just as capable of strangling/stabbing/bludgeoning the life out of you as a normally dressed one. If I was investigating a case as valuable-to-not-be-solved for the villain as they do on a regular, I'd break into a full sprint when seeing monsters too. Who knows what they'll do to you to make sure their plans go off without a hitch.
Poirot is easily 10x better than Miss Marple. And most of his movies are good, and the BBC series is fantastic. Not nostalgia goggles here either, I only started watching Poirot on and off with a friend a few years ago.
Jessica Fletcher is really a highly prolific serial killer. No way anyone else could just happen to have so many friends and acquaintances become the prime suspects in murders. She murders people in ways that makes her relatives and friends prime suspects, and then frames someone else for the crime.
Detective conan too, and shawn spencer from psych, because he fakes being a medium and the reveals are hillaous. Oh he is here nice. And the one detectice from brechts one crime story the older one. I think he is more a sherriff but nolan from defiant, which is a great scifi show
eloquence and truth, with just enough dark comedy to make someone laugh before they realise the second point. If I fail to upvote a Boots theory, assume I'm _dead_
It might be made into an IRL thing? The Terry Prachett estate is supporting use of a “Vimes Boots Index” to measure poverty. *edit: it was made into a real index
Fun fact: Thanks to the animated series _Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century_ (a surprisingly good series despite the premise), Sherlock Holmes has also been to the moon.
Gumshoe is a weird example because yes, he's a detective by trade, but storywise he fills the role of the Bumbling Cop that other main-character detectives like Sherlock tend to work against.
@@katiecat6438 yeah Edgeworth's whole Logic mechanic is seen in some Sherlock games too! He definitely takes on more of the Competent Detective work there, with Gumshoe being more like the grunt work assistant type.
In the Investigation games, he literally uses the word “deduction” in the beginning when you get introduced to the game. Not to mention he was speaking with Gumshoe!
I mean, so do Inspectors Lestrade and Gregson in the original Holmes stories. The Bumbling Cop role is often a detective by profession, because then the outside-the-system non-professional detective can one-up the by-the-book bumbling cop/detective. But yeah, because he fills that role he *is* a weird example, like putting in Inspector Lestrade; he just doesn't have any other nominally detective characters in his games (I think, i haven't played them :/).
"Let's just put [the Scooby gang] right up there next to batman and call it a day!" I mean, the Scooby Gang has teamed up with Batman. And Nancy Drew. And Sherlock Holmes. And the Mamas and the Papas.
11:35. Flando Maltrizian makes an appearance! For those of you who don't know, basically every episode of Critical Role has a list of timestamps a mile long as the pinned top comment because of THIS PERSON RIGHT HERE. Flando is almost a folk hero among the CR community because of their incredible dedication to breaking up an entire 3 to 5 hour video into its important pieces every week for basically years at a time.
After Red's recent Detective episode, I had hoped, nay, prayed this would be the next tier list. 1. Thank you! 2. For whenever another can come please do Magnificent Bastards.
In defense of Sherlock Holmes' place as S-Tier. He was literally the pioneer for an entire literary genre for an investigative technique that didn't even exist yet. It's like rating the works of Jules Verne, Isaac Asimov, and H.G. Wells as bad Sci-fi for not really knowing science like we know it today. Additionally, I think there might be symptoms of Seinfeld Syndrome at work here. There are so many tropes that started here and were copied by so many people that they look bad once you look at the source material that started it all. But maybe I'm just biased... okay, I'm definitely biased. I love the works of Sir Doyle, and I grew up reading Sherlock.
Also definitely biased, but I feel like Sherlock is to this list what Kronk was to the himbo list. SO MUCH of detective literature has been shaped by the character that it feels wrong not to put him at the top.
In this tier list, Sherlock isn't a regular Sherlock. He's good... damn, just the two talk about Sherlock makes me wince. "For the time..." My own favorite show of Holmes deduction skills is at the start of Hound of the Baskervilles when he describes the visitor only from the cane he left behind. Watson told us everything he saw, Holmes told us everything we missed. But to call him out for such things with "It's not detective work, it's just observation... with style!" is kind of petty. Holmes is a consutling detective and he's best there is, in fact he's the only one who is. The rest are, you know, ACTUAL professional detectives. I wouldn't go as far to say it was just Holmes' hobby but I would say it was his passion for which he received some compensation from time to time.
Completely agree. If we are talking about detectives as a literary trope, Sherlock Holmes is THE detective and therefore belongs into S tier. The Sherlock Holmes novels were the first crime novels that fully followed the detective as he figured out the crime and were written to make the reader try to solve the riddle alongside the detective. Not all of the stories did it equally good and I get that he is not necessarily everyones favorite character, but beside of founding the whole genre, he is brilliant and most of the time very convincingly written as brilliant.
I physically recoiled into myself listening to Red talk herself out of putting Holmes in S-tier because *Doyle didn't write in such a precise way to prevent BBC's Sherlock from being a shit character*. Like, jesus fucking *what*? Just because Sherlock's been adapted so much, it's a grade-lowering flaw that some of the adaptations from over a century later just don't get the character? It's just insane fucking moon logic that I can't even understand the process behind it.
The thing with Zenigata is that he's dealing with people who have no regard for the laws of physics. He's a good detective, but he has to contend with the best thieves in the world.
To be fair, the first time Scooby-Doo did "This time the 'monster' is real!" AKA: Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, it was the best damn thing the franchise ever did, bar A Pup named Scooby-Doo, which was just as awesome, but as comedy.
Wellllll, there was the whole side-canon of Thirteen Ghosts and the Red-Shirt-Shaggy films (Ghoul School for example). All of which had 'real monsters.
I have to admit, once we started including anime detectives I was surprised that Conan Edogawa a.k.a Detective Conan wasn't on the list. Maybe he's not as iconic as i thought, but he did solve a lot of mysteries.
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS FORGOT INSPECTOR GADGET!!!!! Also honorable mention to the very well written but poorly known Juno Steel from the Penumbra Podcast.
Inspector Gadget is a TERRIBLE detective who nevertheless succeeds most of the time through no fault or merit of his own. Penny/Brain are A or possibly even S tier, Gadget is ... if we're ranking him on skills, F, if we're ranking him on results, probably same as Clouseau.
Re licensing Ace Attorney Elle Woods edition: Capcom apparently is one of the more adventurous companies out there so they might be into that if you can convince whoever produces Legally Blonde to join in. I'm in very initial tasks with them about an English stage play adaptation of TGAA and they've been surprisingly responsive & helpful!
no way, they're actually thinking of doing a stage play of dgs now that it's in the west? some characters (namely iris and bvz) are gonna have ridiculous props, LOL
@@JaelinBezel No she's the main character of the movie Legally Blonde. They were just talking about how cool it would be if there was an Ace Attorney-style game starring her
Okay but Poirot does have a Watson though, at least in the movies but I know in some of the books too Hastings is pretty much always there trying to help out on the case (and sometimes punching people)!
Yea Hastings is essentially his Watson although there are a fair few cases when it’s just poirot going on holiday somewhere and stumbling upon a murder without him.
I've described Hastings as actually being who people think Watson is (ie... the Watson from the Basil Rathbone movies) But after watching Monk, I am now much more prone to giving Hastings a break because at least he rarely makes things actively worse
Wow, Red, thanks for making me realize that an interesting example of a subversion (and yet really good example) of the Five Man Band trope is the FUCKIN' MYSTERY GANG FROM SCOOBY DOO?? *Breakdown* Fred - Leader (Duh) Shaggy - Lancer (Only one in the gang who actively and fervently goes against Fred's ideas; granted, it's for fear, but he's really the only one who's like, "Fred, your traps could hurt someone. Namely me.) Scooby - Heart (If the gang ever really breaks up, they normally get back together because of Scooby. Yes, they value the bonds they have with each other, but Scooby is usually the one to go and nudge them on the arm so they want to make up.) Velma - Smart Person (Again, duh) Daphne - Big Guy (This is the one that rocked me. Anyone else notice that any time the gang gets into a real physical altercation, Daphne's the one who handles it? Shaggy's too scared, Fred solves problems with his mind and traps not physical fights, Velma thinks more than she fights, and if Scooby fights it's for laughs rather than to show his strength. The only to ever truly show muscle in a situation is freakin' Daphne.)
I feel like every deficiency they noted for L is just plain inaccurate. Recently rewatched Death Note - L never discounts other suspects, he only began to suspect Light specifically because Light was stupid enough to kill the guy investigating him, and he's fully willing to acknowledge his mistakes
I distinctly remember him being asked how confident he is that Light is Kira and responding something like “12%”, but still insisting on investigating him because that was still most likely theory he had. That was the moment that I loved L as a detective (2nd only to Luther on my preference list). Edit: I made this comment before Red mentioned the percentage thing. I don’t think L was lying about his percentages, I just think people underestimate how large 12% is. Yes, it’s kind of low, but if it’s the best you’ve got then it makes sense to investigate it first (while also paying attention to evidence that points to other conclusions).
From what I know, these detectives on this list have been to the Moon in at least one incarnation: Tintin, Dick Tracy, The Scooby Gang, Batman, & Sherlock Holmes
Batman- I think the reason some writers don't focus on the detective aspect 1. They may believe investigation isn't as exciting as fight scenes 2. Most of the major criminals in Gotham tend to be really obvious. Like, you go to a crime scene, the victim has a ghoulish smile and the area is covered in playing cards and graffiti that says "ha ha", it doesn't take a genius to figure out the joker did it. And that's not counting when the bad guys hijack a tv signal to ANNOUNCE their crimes
@@Punaparta You never know. Maybe Gotham had something they needed for a plan, or maybe the guy had royally pissed them off and attempted to protect himself by running away to Gotham.
I think you underrated Magnum. While he often has an action climax with lots of car chases and shootouts, he quite often actually figures out who dun it by gathering clues and figuring stuff out. Also, he's not rich. He has a rich friend who lets him live in his estate's guest house, and borrow his Ferrari. Magnum himself is pretty much always broke.
Yeah, hes genuinly a good Detective. To some Extend he just knows who knows a lot of Gossip, and who to bribe, or follow, but he does a lot of actuall Thinking. But hes not living by a Friend, unless you belife the Higgings Theory. Hes working as Securityinspector or something.
The thing most people forget looking at Magnum is he's been both a fully trained Special Forces Soldier and intelligence officer, he has a serious amount of skills, but given his experiences in Vietnam and after he makes the conscious choice not to employ most of it day to day because in his own words he realised, 'I was 33 and I'd never been 23' but its the sort of skills that would make you a formidable investigator
@@Sunaki1000 yeah agreed, my favourite episodes are the ones where the facade drops and you get to see what he's really capable of, 'did you see the sunrise?'
I would put Steve from Blue’s Clues a lot lower, personally. Not only does he get a lot of interaction from the viewer (who is technically a character), but also all of the clues he finds are first found by the dog. Blue leaves a paw print, which Steve notices (it’s pretty obvious) and then goes “Oh hey Blue’s paw print! That means this is a clue!” C or D tier detective.
I'm just happy Poirot is S-tier. My mother own DVDs of all the episodes of Poirot with David Suchet as Poirot, and they are just pure gold. We watch a lot of detective/crime shows together, and Poirot is our default when we don't got anything new we wanna watch, so we have watched the whole series multiple times. Recently though, we have been watching a lot of Death in Paradise and The Brokenwood Mysteries. We actually just cought up on Death in Paradise an hour ago.
There is a short lived (one season) Nero Wolfe series that you might enjoy. Starring Timothy Hutton and an ensemble cast. My family loves it, and the episodes are pretty faithful to the books (also excellent).
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While Orient Express gets all the attention I think "ABC Murders" is actually the best murder mystery ever penned, a twist you wouldn't expect for the time in which it was written.
@ this was the first Poroit I ever watched and it was so stunning and incredible it left me and my sister shaking. None of the others as much as we love them have ever lived up to that first one. I’ve been trying to forget the plot so I can enjoy it anew but it’s just too great and memorable.
Regarding the Shadow the Hedgehog voice actor thing... clearly the answer is Christian Bale. Not even for the Batman voice, but for Howl in English dub of Howl's Moving Castle! He is the true master of edgy voice. As an alternative, I would accept Keanu Reeves. Also, very disappointed Morse didn't make the list, as lead detective of one of the longest runnning and highly rated serious detective dramas ever.
So what happened to the “married couple as detectives” trope? Agatha Christie’s Tommy & Tuppence (Thomas & Prudence Beresford)? Nick & Nora Charles? These are two examples that gave birth to later variations of this theme like the classic TV show Hart-to-Hart. I feel like this trope is not represented here except for the X Files (though Mulder & Scully weren’t actually a married couple).
I feel like they should have mentioned Conan Edogawa/Shinichi Kudo from Detective Conan/ Case Closed, but i can understand why they didn't as it isn't that popular in the US
I'm sorry but it was on Cartoon Network at night and had an English adaptation. If they put Yusuke Urimeshi in the list they sure as hell should've put the anime character who is a literal detective.
Love the show when it was on Cartoon Network right with lupin the third, really hated when adult swim pulled both off the schedule. That said case closed did start to get a bit stale in my opinion when some of the cases already show who the murderer is at the start, yes I know other shows and media did it too it just felt out of place in case closed, along with having some that get rather ridiculous or convoluted, like the early stuff you can start to pick apart as well and understand how it happens when later on it’s just…..huh???
I would say he is a good enough Detective, im just not sure if the writing is as good as it sounds. There is often a Gimmick and Conan just happen to know trivialfacts about exactly that Field. Archery, Shogi, Stonegardens, how Phones work, Flagsignals.. Its not very fair if you don't know anything about this specific Themes. The Number of Suspects is often pretty limited to, and its not very clear why Conan considers only these People as Suspects. Im thinking of one specific Case here. Also Murderer get away whit some dangerous Shit, most of the Time based around Strings, or no one is comming in at the right Time. Like Murder at a public Toilet. It does not realy make the Detective worse, and the Storys are nice for a limited Time, its just not the best type of Story.
Aw, my main man Monk got left out again. But at least Shawn and Sam Vimes but the respect they deserve! I'm reading "Guards! Guards!" for the first time and I was not ready for how amazing Sam is.
I knew it would be unlikely, but I really wanted to see C Auguste Dupin from Poe’s The Murders in the Rue Morgue, the Mystery of Marie Roget, and The Purloined Letter. The original detective!
On the subject of Batman's inconsistency as a detective, there was a fun mini-series (maxi-series? Idk terminology; it was the 12 issue run where Alfred shot a cannibal in the face from point blank range and then told Bruce he'd never find all the guns hidden around the Manor) called "Grave of the Bat," or "Batman's Grave," or something like that with Grave in it. It starts out with Batman getting to do some really fun detective work that was in that zone of partly forensic, partly psychological profiling. It was really good. By the end it had become more of the "Batman gets to punch things and zap them with his fun toys," thing that dominates most Batman stuff nowadays, but there was a thread of real detective work throughout as he did have to figure out both the motive of the guy causing trouble in Gotham, as well as who they were. And the best part was, it wasn't an already established member of his rogues gallery, so he actually got to do detectiving. Very much recommend it, if you can find it.
How about for the next "OSP AFTER DARK!" a Magnificent Bastard Tier List. For that list I recommend every one mentioned in the Trope Talk video, Thrawn from Star Wars Rebels, Angor Rot from Troll Hunter & Azula from Last Airbender.
Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries is such a fun show. While every episode has at least one murder to solve, there is also plenty of focus on the characters and what is going on in their lives. Unlike many detective stories, the characters are actually allowed to have arcs and character growth rather than just be vehicles for the mystery.
Only the first couple books are really detectivey, it becomes more action fantasy, he may be a detective himself, but the series itself isn’t really anymore
@@eternalsummer8409 Dresden, as a detective, is very much in the noir style where plot kind of happens to him but he's also a legitimately good problem solver and can put things together pretty well when he has a moment to breathe ... which he doesn't get very often.
Interesting...was hoping to hear about Brother Cadfael. He'd be someone my parents would go on about when asked about detectives "outside the mainstream".
Miss Marple is a lot better than B tier, I think the problem is going by the clips on Red's detective video she's only seen the 2000's series and that was a bloody awful depiction, the earlier Joan Hickson series from the mid 1980's does the character far more justice, showing a far subtler character and in episodes like Nemesis hints at a far more ruthless character with a deeper background than appearances would first suggest. So Joan Hickson as Miss Marple S tier, Geraldine McEwen, D tier
A point against the BAU that doesn't get brought up, in a ridiculous number of episodes they reach a point where they state out loud that they can't investigate further until someone else gets killed. Most of their mysteries would never be solved by them without at least 3 examples of the same crime, and I love the BAU but in terms of *detective work* that's a huge knock against them.
Gumshoes detective skills are best seen in one of his themes names and that’s “I can do it when it counts, pal!” He so often does not hit it on the nail but he can… sometimes.
It’s not that light isn’t incredibly smart It’s not that he’s trying to prevent L from finding out he is Kira He is trying prevent L from getting PROOF that he is Kira And that he does brilliantly
Surprised that Conan Edogawa aka Shinichi Kudo from detective Conan isn’t on the list, personally I’d put him at around maybe high B to low A. He’s an interesting character that definitely shows an intellect that’s inspired by Sherlock Holmes, which is funny cause in one episode there’s like a fan club group for the Conan Doyle books and he just starts acting as lively as a little kid about the topic of Sherlock Holmes, that said there are times where he does drop the ball or despite on how good of a detective he is it would take him longer than expected to figure something out, I get it pacing and running time of an episode will do that, but it does get annoying as time goes on in the series.
I was also surprised that he wasn’t put on the list, or maybe he was but they were never able to get there. I don’t remember which detective they were talking about but I find it interesting that sometimes Conan will get those Eureka moments when he’s stuck on a missing piece of the mystery until another character speaks up on something that’s not completely related to the mystery but low key is in some way or another. Definitely feels like an A
I ADORE the concept behind Detective Conan, I managed to watch over 600 episodes just because of that, but to know that that there's actually a plot that simply refuses to move forward for hundred and hundred of episodes (and tons of movies), it simply gets too tiresome to wait for actual development.
There are so many good detective shows and some of the faves that I recommend is Perry Mason, Diagnosis Murder, Murder She Wrote, Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries, Miss S (Chinese version of Miss Fisher), Murdoc Mysteries, Cadfael Chronicles, In the Name of the Rose, Midsomer Murders and so many more, but these are just my favorites.
Consider: Dexter Morgan, Richard Castle, Kaname Date, the Doctor, the SVU, Misty Knight, Osmosis Jones himself, Carmelita Fox, Team Chaotix, Pennington from Paper Mario, and Cole Phelps. Of the ones I'm qualified to speak on, I'd say Date is a solid B. He solves a few mysteries during the game, and he's pretty much spot-on with everything he deduces, except for that one thing. He solves the mystery the best he can when you consider that key details are being hidden from him, and when he finally gets said details he solves the mystery really quickly. He's also the only Team Zero Escape protagonist to actually figure anything out in his game without being told by the culprit except for arguably Junpei in 999 and Diana in ZTD. The only thing that holds Date back is that his emotions occasionally get in the way of rational thinking, and he does consider abandoning the case a couple times because he's horny, but that part's not even really his fault. The Doctor can range anywhere from A to C depending on the incarnation. Doctor Who mysteries also fall into that area where the audience isn't presented with enough information, more often than not. It's kind of weird that Osmosis Jones isn't on the list, considering that Indigo mentioned him. Solid A. He's reckless, but he's also the only one who ever figured out what Thrax is up to, and it's implied that Thrax has already killed at least a dozen people. Carmelita... C. She's way too fixated on Sly, and she often misses out on the bigger threats because of it. She also only ever manages to take down criminals that Sly already left beaten up for her. The ending of the second game implied that she was letting go of her obsession with Sly and opening up to the idea of working with him, but the third game reset her character development completely, and ironically made her more obsessed with catching him than ever. And as far as I'm concerned, the fourth game doesn't exist. Again, kinda weird that Team Chaotix isn't on the list, given the big conversation about Sonic. I'd assume someone in chat would've mentioned them. I'd say B. Vector is easily the best detective of the bunch. The way he goes about figuring out that Eggman was the one who hired them in Heroes is good. Had future games expanded upon their detective skills, they could easily be an A, but it's totally forgotten about after Shadow and now they don't do anything at all. Pennington is an F, and I really don't think I need to explain why. Cole Phelps is in a weird area. The nature of the game makes it so that he's only as good a detective as you are, but in-story he's easily an A. The only cases he ever gets wrong are during the homicide desk and arson desk, and even then he keeps every avenue of investigation open and eventually catches the real culprit. For all those cases he does get wrong, a major factor is that the higher-ups are pressuring him into not following the avenues that would lead to the real culprit. The homicide desk is where his detective skills truly shine, even though he gets the wrong guy most of the time. In certain cases, he does actually believe that the suspect he's currently chasing is the culprit, but it's only because the evidence points that way, and even then he holds onto the possibility that it's the same killer for all the crimes.
Halligan from mystery of the druids is probably a C tier he does successfully figure out what the druids are doing and stops them but he is a manipulator who manipulates anyone who shows him the slightest bit of kindness
One that I truely loved from a completly different setting was ODO from DS9. The dynamic between him Quark and Garrick was just pure brilliance mainly thanx to the acting and the way DS9 was set up. YOU BLEW UP YOUR OWN SHOP!!! :D
Missing Veronica Mars from Veronica Mars, she's definitely A Tier. Jimmy Kudo AKA Conan Edogawa from Case Closed is either S or A tier. The Ghost Writer team which is probably B or C. The Hardy Boys 'eh b or c. Also, how could you not include total S Tier Jessica Beatrice Fletcher from Murder She Wrote (played by the legendary Angela Lansbury)?
Regarding Sherlock Holmes's tendency to jump to conclusions when analyzing details, he does that in the beginning of The Hound of the Baskervilles about Dr Mortimer based on his walking stick, and he gets a lot of it wrong.
I understand that it's not a super popular show but still has a decent following. I would have loved to have seen William Murdoch (Murdoch Mysteries) on here.
To be far. Some of those Red and Indigo would find it hard to source as they may not be licensed to America. Dirk Gently saddens me because he is a shout. Ah well, signed another Brit.
I‘m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to not see the greatest detective of all,Kogoro Mori on this list!!! (no but honestly how could you forget Shinichi Kudo/Conan Edogawa)
Jessica Jones may have had baggage... but despite that she also has had character progression and is happily married to Luke Cage, with an eternally toddler-age kid, because Big Two comics. Hasn't gotten to do much for... a few years now.
I'm not sure if it is on purpose, that they consistently call Poirot french, when it is one of the running gags that he gets very offended by being called french.
@@taitaisanchez as a character yes he is very much his own but looking at him as a medical detective I wouldn’t say there’s enough there to bother with including him on a list like this.
Moriarty the Patriot's version of Sherlock is the most adorable case of Almost Himbo in detectives, change my mind. He basically turns into a Golden Retriever type when he sees someone he likes. A detective that is or almost is a himbo gives me so much dopamine.
Neither Nick Charles nor the Continental Agent made the cut, either here or on the Detective Trope Talk. It's like Red read the Maltese Falcon and dismissed Dashiell Hammett entirely based on the least of his works.
About X Files: As it happens with many of these shows, they have the "monster of the week" episodes, and then the overarching plot episodes. They solve successfully almost every single "MOTW" episodes, and they also solve the mysteries from the overarching plot. They can't stop the "culprits", but as detectives they succeed in following the clues and finding the "truth" (the one that, you know, "is out there").
it might overlay a little to mutch from the himbo episode but what about a tank ranking. mainly cause I want to know why Eliot from leverage is the best one hands down
I think Zenigata needs to at least be B tier. Lupin is quite literally the greatest thief in history and he still sees Zenigata as an equal. Half of what holds him back most the time is his strict honor code and his insistence on doing everything by the book
This is the unlikely pick I was hoping for! That said, given that Barnaby and his assistant of the series only tend to find the murderer after they've killed on four or five different occasions, I can't see him being that high. Maybe a C, since he is an actual detective who solves crimes though.
So many missed opportunities, we need a part two. Adrian Monk Clive Cussler main characters Martian Manhunter Box car kids (book series) Would Indiana Jones count? Jim Gordon (DC) Data (surprising amount of mystery focused stories in Next Generation)
Haven't watched this yet, but I am all in favor of seeing more tier lists on this channel because that sounds great... Maybe you could do some tier lists with Blue... I mean, we already basically have his dome tier list covered... But it could be a tier list of ancient Athenians or Roman emperors (that'd be a really cool one) or English monarchs... Or you could have Red and Blue do a tier list on Greek deities, that'd also be neat... OR if you want something more out-there and not European, then a Japanese yokai tier list... Or just an anime tier list would be cool...
Sherlock Holmes outside the S tier on this list is inexcusable. The only possible justification would be putting Mycroft Holmes in S tier, thus forcing Sherlock into the A tier due to Sherlock’s canonical deductive inferiority to Mycroft.
Not sure how you can talk about BBC serial detective shows, and not mention Jonathan Creek ! Based on the discussion, I think he would probably straddle the line between B and A tier? Would really recommend the show to anyone looking for a good (albeit a little odd) mystery show! Gotta catch the next one of these live.
South Louisiana resident affected by Ida here. Love that this is detectives, and live that it started with my fave Columbo. Thanks, and love your stuff. Second time I listen to this.
I mean if Nancy made A tier partly due to amount of mysteries solved, even though he wasn't covered I think we can safely place Conan somewhere around S+ tier. Also a top tier fictional anesthetics applier.
Let’s be real, though: Steve from Blue’s Clues wasn’t so much solving mysteries as he was playing charades / Pictionary with his dog, as a means of communication. Like, you could replace Blue with Pikachu and Steve with Ash Ketchum and the premise would be the same.
I don't think Benoit Blanc earns A tier. I ADORE the movie, easy S-tier as a movie, but while he does pretty much immediately peg the suspect, he then lets her tag along, presumably to incriminate herself further, but instead she successfully destroys a whole lot of evidence. It all worked out in the end, but that was not good detectiving. And then he fails to stop her from getting stabbed, which was another fantastic scene, but I'm just saying that neither Batman nor the Scooby Gang would have let the killer stab their main witness while they were in the room. B tier, partially because he is a highly effective detective in universe even if he did come real close to mucking up this case, and partially because he does come through in the end.
From personal experience, the trouble with cosplaying Columbo is people will never guess. They all think you’re The Doctor, John Constantine, a Supernatural character… Ron Weasley for some reason…
Also, you missed Jimmy Kudo/Conan Edogawa, although I guess he has the Tintin issue of other people inadvertently solving his crimes FOR him, so… B-Tier. XD
Speaking of Constantine cosplay, I have fun plans for a gender-bent Constantine for myself, which was inspired by my chance purchase of a fantastic tan trench coat.
The two Names I was surprised didn't come up where Detetive Conan and DCI Tom Barnaby from Midsomer Murders. I am some how surprised and not that Indigo has seen the Detective Dee movies.
33:54 TinTin is as french as french-fries, in the sense that both are Belgian
Thats Poirots signature Line^^
The Writer is Belgian but lifted in France, and Tintin is France as well.
So close enough.
@@Sunaki1000 Tintin the character was born in Brussels he is Belgian aswell
@@Sunaki1000 The character Tintin is Belgian
@@confusedsquirrel You sure? He lifes in France? I mean there is a Szene in Tintin in Kongo, so maybe?
At least in the Books there isn't any clear Prof there hes from.
@@Sunaki1000 he his officially from Brussels, the settings of the comics itself is ambiguous enough that he could be living either there or in France
Also we don't speak of Tintin in Congo X)
HEY, there might be some SPOILERS under the thing
0:00 Audio issues begin
7:10 Laying out the criteria
9:45 Columbo
11:30 Red shouts me out
13:15 Sherlock Holmes
20:40 Miss Marple
27:20: Hercule Poirot
30:20 We all have our hobbies
33:10 Tintin
39:15 Nancy Drew
43:35 Sam Spade
47:50 Yusuke Urameshi
50:10 Lord Peter Wimsey
54:35 Batman
55:50 I mean… it’s obviously Nightwing
1:00:05 Inspector Clouseau (Pink Panther)
1:02:30 Shawn Spencer (Psych)
1:05:45 Mystery inc. (The Scooby Gang)
1:09:45 Dick Tracy
1:13:40 Dick Gumshoe (Phoenix Wright)
1:16:00 Benoit Blanc (Knives Out)
1:21:10 L (Death Note)
1:27:30 The migration of the L begins
1:28:55 John Constantine
1:34:25 The BAU (Criminal Minds)
1:41:15 Jake Peralta (Brooklyn 99)
1:46:05 Detective Pikachu
1:49:10 Jessica Jones
1:52:10 Eddy Valiant (Who Framed Roger Rabbit)
1:55:40 Inspector Zenigata (Lupin the Third)
1:59:50 Steve (Blues Clues)
2:06:10 Miss Fischer
2:08:05 Father Brown
2:09:05 Philip Marlowe
2:11:05 Magnum PI
2:13:25 Rick Deckard (Bladerunner)
2:16:30 Detective Dee
2:20:20 Sam Vimes (Discworld series)
2:24:20 Longmire
2:28:45 Elisa Maza (Gargoyles)
2:31:00 Chase Devineaux (Carmen Sandiego)
2:33:35 Ace Ventura
2:36:00 Professor Layton
2:38:20 Talking about Sonic
2:51:20 Talking about The Rock and Transformers
2:56:45 Evil announcer recap
I think for these tier lists they should put their predetermined list on the screen at the start, so that the people watching lives can focus on advocating for things that aren’t already on the list. That’s my suggestion.
Adrian Monk is S tier, don’t at me.
Any moments I missed? Feel free to post them here. Is it Thursday yet?
Nice pfp that’s my favorite Pokémon
Thank you so much! Little disappointed there aren't many more detectives from UK murder mysteries (Morse, Frost, Luther, Barnaby from Midsomer Murders), but this should be fun to watch nonetheless!
Seeing flando stamps outside of CR? A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one! Excellent work as always!
@@thisamazingguyspage My mom was watching so many British Murder Mysteries since the pandemic started I couldn't keep their names straight so didn't advocate for them well
The influence of Flando Maltrizian is expanding, soon they will subsume all time stamps, becoming the ruler and dictator of all time!!!!!!
I watched Knives Out with director's commentary, and they both cracked up when one of them said "So originally, Benoit Blanc was going to have a *subtle* cajun accent."
"how old is he? anywhere between 12 and 25 and he has a whole life, and an apartment, and a career"
oh no this also describes spongebob
Spongebob has an entire house, though, not an apartment. Which is even more impressive tbh.
I think he was a detective once in an episode too.
@@Dinoman972 yeah and a big one at that his house is insane
Spongebob is probably 20
@@bepisthescienceman4202 Yeah I have him pegged at 23, tbh. Old enough (in theory) to have been living on his own and adulting for a while, but not THAT long, so compared to a lot of the other characters around him he's still basically Baby
I love the the Indigo plushie looks like it's actively trying crawl off the chair or was in the process but has since gotten lazy and doesn't want to continue.
Peter Falk once said "matching wits with Columbo is like being nibbled to death by a duck."
I once had a muscovy duck attempt to nibble me to death. It was more amusing than anything else.
@@dragonwithamonocle But did you die, though? Can't compare it otherwise, I'd presume.
I have no idea what this means.
@@alexpalex-banana Ducks are hilariously ineffective at biting. A comparable saying would be "beaten with a wet noodle". It's the kind of inconvenience you barely even notice.
I'm just saying, Steve from Blue's Clues has technically solved more mysteries than Batman.
I've solved more mysteries than Batman and I'm not even a detective
@@ewwpoorpeople5684 I have pressed X, for I have doubts.
With one exception, Steve always needed us to help him actually find any clues. We're the detectives, Steve's more like a sketch artist.
There's a wild theory out there that Steve became a spook and ran black ops in A-Stan. He (the actual guy) left the show in early 2002 when US entered Afghanistan and only reemerged now after the 2nd Saigon. Its most definitelly bullshit, but still funny.
@@Grinnar
*Piano sting plays*
I know that's not how the tier list works, but I love to think that, in their heads, the Scooby Gang (a himbo, a nerdy asshole, a clever madwoman, a cowardly stoner and a literal talking dog) are the fourth best detectives of all of fiction
And they’re right.
I personally would have ranked them lower, because in almost every episode they get lead onto the wrong track to the point that they consider believing that they are actually facing a supernatural problem this time. They always solve the mystery in the end, but they spend an awful lot of time falling for the deception and running away from fake monsters in the process.
@@chrisrudolf9839 I wouldn't blame them for running away from fake monsters. I, too, would run away from a man dressed up as a zombie if he was chasing me.
@@loganmcgregor775 what if it’s the fifty third time? What if that was only counting zombies specifically?
Would you still run? Or start carrying a big stick?
@@loganmcgregor775 A strange man dressed as a horror icon is just as capable of strangling/stabbing/bludgeoning the life out of you as a normally dressed one. If I was investigating a case as valuable-to-not-be-solved for the villain as they do on a regular, I'd break into a full sprint when seeing monsters too. Who knows what they'll do to you to make sure their plans go off without a hitch.
"Hercule Poirot is just a Smash Bros.- style palette swap of Miss Marple" is an incredible take and I'm better for having heard it
This hot take is so wrong and also the most recent Poirot movie is good actually, don't at me
@@Jess-em4ri I at you.
Poirot is easily 10x better than Miss Marple. And most of his movies are good, and the BBC series is fantastic. Not nostalgia goggles here either, I only started watching Poirot on and off with a friend a few years ago.
oof, Red and Indigo need to watch Monk and Murder She Wrote because Adrian Monk and Jessica Fletcher were robbed by not being on this list
Jessica Fletcher is really a highly prolific serial killer. No way anyone else could just happen to have so many friends and acquaintances become the prime suspects in murders. She murders people in ways that makes her relatives and friends prime suspects, and then frames someone else for the crime.
Detective conan too, and shawn spencer from psych, because he fakes being a medium and the reveals are hillaous. Oh he is here nice. And the one detectice from brechts one crime story the older one.
I think he is more a sherriff but nolan from defiant, which is a great scifi show
@@marocat4749 Shawn is on this list though
@@donsample1002 and then writes a book about it to make a sweet profit from her crime.
Yes.
The Sam Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness is still one of the most poignant things Terry put on paper.
+
eloquence and truth, with just enough dark comedy to make someone laugh before they realise the second point.
If I fail to upvote a Boots theory, assume I'm _dead_
It might be made into an IRL thing? The Terry Prachett estate is supporting use of a “Vimes Boots Index” to measure poverty.
*edit: it was made into a real index
Fun fact: Thanks to the animated series _Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd Century_ (a surprisingly good series despite the premise), Sherlock Holmes has also been to the moon.
Gumshoe is a weird example because yes, he's a detective by trade, but storywise he fills the role of the Bumbling Cop that other main-character detectives like Sherlock tend to work against.
He does a bit more work in the Investigation games, but he is mainly there so the main characters can advance the plot.
yeah! if anything, I’d say phoenix or miles belong on that list- miles moreso, since his side games are literally about investigating crimes
@@katiecat6438 yeah Edgeworth's whole Logic mechanic is seen in some Sherlock games too! He definitely takes on more of the Competent Detective work there, with Gumshoe being more like the grunt work assistant type.
In the Investigation games, he literally uses the word “deduction” in the beginning when you get introduced to the game. Not to mention he was speaking with Gumshoe!
I mean, so do Inspectors Lestrade and Gregson in the original Holmes stories. The Bumbling Cop role is often a detective by profession, because then the outside-the-system non-professional detective can one-up the by-the-book bumbling cop/detective. But yeah, because he fills that role he *is* a weird example, like putting in Inspector Lestrade; he just doesn't have any other nominally detective characters in his games (I think, i haven't played them :/).
"Let's just put [the Scooby gang] right up there next to batman and call it a day!" I mean, the Scooby Gang has teamed up with Batman. And Nancy Drew. And Sherlock Holmes. And the Mamas and the Papas.
Batman's also teamed up with Sherlock Holmes, and Abraham Lincoln.
And Wonder Woman!
and the Harlem Globetrotters
several times
And The Winchesters from Supernatural. It gets gory lol.
And John Cena
11:35. Flando Maltrizian makes an appearance! For those of you who don't know, basically every episode of Critical Role has a list of timestamps a mile long as the pinned top comment because of THIS PERSON RIGHT HERE. Flando is almost a folk hero among the CR community because of their incredible dedication to breaking up an entire 3 to 5 hour video into its important pieces every week for basically years at a time.
all hail flando, this feels like a crossover episode
All Hail Flando
Addendum: they've also done time stamps for Dimension 20 and OSP
Flando, the patron Saint of
Insomniac Nerds
They did a timestamp comment on this very video! The absolute legend.
After Red's recent Detective episode, I had hoped, nay, prayed this would be the next tier list.
1. Thank you!
2. For whenever another can come please do Magnificent Bastards.
That would be awesome!
@@Ishma3l I concur. A tier list of Magnificent Bastards would be fascinating.
I completely support this idea. Do we agree that Xanatos from Gargoyles is S-Tier Magnificent Bastard?
@@BadPenny3Whole frickin' heartedly! I would love to hear other people'a top picks.
Don't you mean Charismaniacs?
In defense of Sherlock Holmes' place as S-Tier. He was literally the pioneer for an entire literary genre for an investigative technique that didn't even exist yet. It's like rating the works of Jules Verne, Isaac Asimov, and H.G. Wells as bad Sci-fi for not really knowing science like we know it today. Additionally, I think there might be symptoms of Seinfeld Syndrome at work here. There are so many tropes that started here and were copied by so many people that they look bad once you look at the source material that started it all. But maybe I'm just biased... okay, I'm definitely biased. I love the works of Sir Doyle, and I grew up reading Sherlock.
Also definitely biased, but I feel like Sherlock is to this list what Kronk was to the himbo list. SO MUCH of detective literature has been shaped by the character that it feels wrong not to put him at the top.
In this tier list, Sherlock isn't a regular Sherlock. He's good... damn, just the two talk about Sherlock makes me wince. "For the time..."
My own favorite show of Holmes deduction skills is at the start of Hound of the Baskervilles when he describes the visitor only from the cane he left behind. Watson told us everything he saw, Holmes told us everything we missed.
But to call him out for such things with "It's not detective work, it's just observation... with style!" is kind of petty. Holmes is a consutling detective and he's best there is, in fact he's the only one who is. The rest are, you know, ACTUAL professional detectives. I wouldn't go as far to say it was just Holmes' hobby but I would say it was his passion for which he received some compensation from time to time.
Completely agree. If we are talking about detectives as a literary trope, Sherlock Holmes is THE detective and therefore belongs into S tier. The Sherlock Holmes novels were the first crime novels that fully followed the detective as he figured out the crime and were written to make the reader try to solve the riddle alongside the detective. Not all of the stories did it equally good and I get that he is not necessarily everyones favorite character, but beside of founding the whole genre, he is brilliant and most of the time very convincingly written as brilliant.
You wouldn't have Columbo without Sherlock.
I physically recoiled into myself listening to Red talk herself out of putting Holmes in S-tier because *Doyle didn't write in such a precise way to prevent BBC's Sherlock from being a shit character*.
Like, jesus fucking *what*? Just because Sherlock's been adapted so much, it's a grade-lowering flaw that some of the adaptations from over a century later just don't get the character? It's just insane fucking moon logic that I can't even understand the process behind it.
The thing with Zenigata is that he's dealing with people who have no regard for the laws of physics. He's a good detective, but he has to contend with the best thieves in the world.
To be fair, the first time Scooby-Doo did "This time the 'monster' is real!" AKA: Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island, it was the best damn thing the franchise ever did, bar A Pup named Scooby-Doo, which was just as awesome, but as comedy.
Wellllll, there was the whole side-canon of Thirteen Ghosts and the Red-Shirt-Shaggy films (Ghoul School for example). All of which had 'real monsters.
@@MythrilShotgun I said first, not only.
@@BetaJackMaxis Yeah, and my examples came before Zombie Island.
I have to admit, once we started including anime detectives I was surprised that Conan Edogawa a.k.a Detective Conan wasn't on the list. Maybe he's not as iconic as i thought, but he did solve a lot of mysteries.
I was also very surprised. The mangas were a huge part of my childhood.
The anime was like half my childhood
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS FORGOT INSPECTOR GADGET!!!!!
Also honorable mention to the very well written but poorly known Juno Steel from the Penumbra Podcast.
Penny from inspector gadget would be high I suspect
Thank you! I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.
I came here to say this.
Inspector Gadget is a TERRIBLE detective who nevertheless succeeds most of the time through no fault or merit of his own. Penny/Brain are A or possibly even S tier, Gadget is ... if we're ranking him on skills, F, if we're ranking him on results, probably same as Clouseau.
Re licensing Ace Attorney Elle Woods edition: Capcom apparently is one of the more adventurous companies out there so they might be into that if you can convince whoever produces Legally Blonde to join in. I'm in very initial tasks with them about an English stage play adaptation of TGAA and they've been surprisingly responsive & helpful!
Are you really? I've been involved with an unofficial musical based on PW:AA, would love to hear more
no way, they're actually thinking of doing a stage play of dgs now that it's in the west? some characters (namely iris and bvz) are gonna have ridiculous props, LOL
Is Elle Woods an Ace Attorney character?
@@JaelinBezel No she's the main character of the movie Legally Blonde. They were just talking about how cool it would be if there was an Ace Attorney-style game starring her
Okay but Poirot does have a Watson though, at least in the movies but I know in some of the books too Hastings is pretty much always there trying to help out on the case (and sometimes punching people)!
Yea Hastings is essentially his Watson although there are a fair few cases when it’s just poirot going on holiday somewhere and stumbling upon a murder without him.
For a lot of the later stories Hastings is barely around, since he gets married and moves Argentina.
Hastings is 100% a Watsonclone.
If hes not around he sometimes gets replaced, like "in the Orient Express".
One Guy was even a Murderer.
I've described Hastings as actually being who people think Watson is (ie... the Watson from the Basil Rathbone movies) But after watching Monk, I am now much more prone to giving Hastings a break because at least he rarely makes things actively worse
The difference is that he and Hastings don’t have an unhealthy codependency
Sherlock Holmes occasionally THINKS he's gone to the moon, on account of the cocaine.
Thought it was opium?
Wow, Red, thanks for making me realize that an interesting example of a subversion (and yet really good example) of the Five Man Band trope is the FUCKIN' MYSTERY GANG FROM SCOOBY DOO??
*Breakdown*
Fred - Leader (Duh)
Shaggy - Lancer (Only one in the gang who actively and fervently goes against Fred's ideas; granted, it's for fear, but he's really the only one who's like, "Fred, your traps could hurt someone. Namely me.)
Scooby - Heart (If the gang ever really breaks up, they normally get back together because of Scooby. Yes, they value the bonds they have with each other, but Scooby is usually the one to go and nudge them on the arm so they want to make up.)
Velma - Smart Person (Again, duh)
Daphne - Big Guy (This is the one that rocked me. Anyone else notice that any time the gang gets into a real physical altercation, Daphne's the one who handles it? Shaggy's too scared, Fred solves problems with his mind and traps not physical fights, Velma thinks more than she fights, and if Scooby fights it's for laughs rather than to show his strength. The only to ever truly show muscle in a situation is freakin' Daphne.)
Based Daphne im ngl
I've never realised. Daphne /is/ the Strong Man.
There’s a biker gang that disagrees with what you said about shaggy being too scared to fight
I feel like every deficiency they noted for L is just plain inaccurate. Recently rewatched Death Note - L never discounts other suspects, he only began to suspect Light specifically because Light was stupid enough to kill the guy investigating him, and he's fully willing to acknowledge his mistakes
I distinctly remember him being asked how confident he is that Light is Kira and responding something like “12%”, but still insisting on investigating him because that was still most likely theory he had. That was the moment that I loved L as a detective (2nd only to Luther on my preference list).
Edit: I made this comment before Red mentioned the percentage thing. I don’t think L was lying about his percentages, I just think people underestimate how large 12% is. Yes, it’s kind of low, but if it’s the best you’ve got then it makes sense to investigate it first (while also paying attention to evidence that points to other conclusions).
@@thrawncaedusl717 Pretty sure the creators stated that L never says a percentage unless he's 99% sure.
From what I know, these detectives on this list have been to the Moon in at least one incarnation:
Tintin, Dick Tracy, The Scooby Gang, Batman, & Sherlock Holmes
Batman- I think the reason some writers don't focus on the detective aspect
1. They may believe investigation isn't as exciting as fight scenes
2. Most of the major criminals in Gotham tend to be really obvious.
Like, you go to a crime scene, the victim has a ghoulish smile and the area is covered in playing cards and graffiti that says "ha ha", it doesn't take a genius to figure out the joker did it.
And that's not counting when the bad guys hijack a tv signal to ANNOUNCE their crimes
“This man has been frozen solid… but who could have done this?”
@@conormurphy4328 I mean, tbf, there are quite a lot of ice villains
@@Kay-im6ht In Gotham?
@@Punaparta You never know. Maybe Gotham had something they needed for a plan, or maybe the guy had royally pissed them off and attempted to protect himself by running away to Gotham.
3. The writer isn't good enough
4. The writer does not have enough time
I think you underrated Magnum. While he often has an action climax with lots of car chases and shootouts, he quite often actually figures out who dun it by gathering clues and figuring stuff out.
Also, he's not rich. He has a rich friend who lets him live in his estate's guest house, and borrow his Ferrari. Magnum himself is pretty much always broke.
Yeah, hes genuinly a good Detective.
To some Extend he just knows who knows a lot of Gossip, and who to bribe, or follow, but he does a lot of actuall Thinking.
But hes not living by a Friend, unless you belife the Higgings Theory.
Hes working as Securityinspector or something.
The thing most people forget looking at Magnum is he's been both a fully trained Special Forces Soldier and intelligence officer, he has a serious amount of skills, but given his experiences in Vietnam and after he makes the conscious choice not to employ most of it day to day because in his own words he realised, 'I was 33 and I'd never been 23' but its the sort of skills that would make you a formidable investigator
@@maddlarkin Yeah, I have a lot of Respect for him as Detective.
And his Backstory is used pretty well, everytime its mentioned.
@@Sunaki1000 yeah agreed, my favourite episodes are the ones where the facade drops and you get to see what he's really capable of, 'did you see the sunrise?'
I would put Steve from Blue’s Clues a lot lower, personally. Not only does he get a lot of interaction from the viewer (who is technically a character), but also all of the clues he finds are first found by the dog. Blue leaves a paw print, which Steve notices (it’s pretty obvious) and then goes “Oh hey Blue’s paw print! That means this is a clue!”
C or D tier detective.
Yes but he has 100% success rate
The dog isn't finding clues, she's placing them. She is creating the mystery for him to solve
"Steve is Blue's Watson" confirmed!
I'm just happy Poirot is S-tier. My mother own DVDs of all the episodes of Poirot with David Suchet as Poirot, and they are just pure gold. We watch a lot of detective/crime shows together, and Poirot is our default when we don't got anything new we wanna watch, so we have watched the whole series multiple times.
Recently though, we have been watching a lot of Death in Paradise and The Brokenwood Mysteries. We actually just cought up on Death in Paradise an hour ago.
Wimsey (Edward Petherbridge" and Albert Campion are mine.
There is a short lived (one season) Nero Wolfe series that you might enjoy. Starring Timothy Hutton and an ensemble cast. My family loves it, and the episodes are pretty faithful to the books (also excellent).
While Orient Express gets all the attention I think "ABC Murders" is actually the best murder mystery ever penned, a twist you wouldn't expect for the time in which it was written.
@ Yes! ABC Murders is a masterpiece!
@ this was the first Poroit I ever watched and it was so stunning and incredible it left me and my sister shaking. None of the others as much as we love them have ever lived up to that first one. I’ve been trying to forget the plot so I can enjoy it anew but it’s just too great and memorable.
I think Red would like Shotaro Hidari from Kamen Rider W because he tries to hard to come off as a hard-boiled detective when he'd a big lovable dork
YES! Someone recommend it to her!
@@michaeldaniels642 Our favorite Half-boiled Detective
@@clarehidalgo Shotaro: It's Hard Boiled!
Cant wait for the next year anime
Now I want her to do an trope talk about Tokusatsu
Regarding the Shadow the Hedgehog voice actor thing... clearly the answer is Christian Bale. Not even for the Batman voice, but for Howl in English dub of Howl's Moving Castle! He is the true master of edgy voice.
As an alternative, I would accept Keanu Reeves.
Also, very disappointed Morse didn't make the list, as lead detective of one of the longest runnning and highly rated serious detective dramas ever.
Or, get Jerry Seinfeld to do the same voice as Barry just to ruin the tone
So what happened to the “married couple as detectives” trope? Agatha Christie’s Tommy & Tuppence (Thomas & Prudence Beresford)? Nick & Nora Charles? These are two examples that gave birth to later variations of this theme like the classic TV show Hart-to-Hart. I feel like this trope is not represented here except for the X Files (though Mulder & Scully weren’t actually a married couple).
Let’s not forget Kate Beckett and Richard Castle. They’re the best
@@positivelink6961 Another great example of this trope, to be sure.
I feel like they should have mentioned Conan Edogawa/Shinichi Kudo from Detective Conan/ Case Closed, but i can understand why they didn't as it isn't that popular in the US
Its a big enough anime.
I'm sorry but it was on Cartoon Network at night and had an English adaptation. If they put Yusuke Urimeshi in the list they sure as hell should've put the anime character who is a literal detective.
Love the show when it was on Cartoon Network right with lupin the third, really hated when adult swim pulled both off the schedule. That said case closed did start to get a bit stale in my opinion when some of the cases already show who the murderer is at the start, yes I know other shows and media did it too it just felt out of place in case closed, along with having some that get rather ridiculous or convoluted, like the early stuff you can start to pick apart as well and understand how it happens when later on it’s just…..huh???
I would say he is a good enough Detective, im just not sure if the writing is as good as it sounds.
There is often a Gimmick and Conan just happen to know trivialfacts about exactly that Field. Archery, Shogi, Stonegardens, how Phones work, Flagsignals.. Its not very fair if you don't know anything about this specific Themes.
The Number of Suspects is often pretty limited to, and its not very clear why Conan considers only these People as Suspects.
Im thinking of one specific Case here.
Also Murderer get away whit some dangerous Shit, most of the Time based around Strings, or no one is comming in at the right Time.
Like Murder at a public Toilet.
It does not realy make the Detective worse, and the Storys are nice for a limited Time, its just not the best type of Story.
One of my very favorites. The german dub is so amazing. Cant stand the japanaese voice actor of conan in comparison
Aw, my main man Monk got left out again. But at least Shawn and Sam Vimes but the respect they deserve! I'm reading "Guards! Guards!" for the first time and I was not ready for how amazing Sam is.
The fact that neither Encyclopedia Brown nor William Henry Murdoch were ranked in this is the real crime to be solved!
Also, they did several police procedurals, and didn't do Joe Friday.
I knew it would be unlikely, but I really wanted to see C Auguste Dupin from Poe’s The Murders in the Rue Morgue, the Mystery of Marie Roget, and The Purloined Letter. The original detective!
I'd be tempted to throw Ace Ventura into F tier just for the whole transphobia thing, tbh.
Edit: And then chat brought it up and it happened.
What everybody should remember after this video :
"Sam Vimes fucking rules !"
Now go read Discworld.
Exactly!!!
Accurate
I'm proud to say that I've read damn near every Discworld novel. Favorite series of all time. 10 outta 10.
Look, the only reason Vimes isn't my top Discworld character, is because Susan holds that spot. By the edge of her grandfather's scythe.
@@templarw20 I totally understand. Susan Sto Helit fucking rules.
On the subject of Batman's inconsistency as a detective, there was a fun mini-series (maxi-series? Idk terminology; it was the 12 issue run where Alfred shot a cannibal in the face from point blank range and then told Bruce he'd never find all the guns hidden around the Manor) called "Grave of the Bat," or "Batman's Grave," or something like that with Grave in it. It starts out with Batman getting to do some really fun detective work that was in that zone of partly forensic, partly psychological profiling. It was really good. By the end it had become more of the "Batman gets to punch things and zap them with his fun toys," thing that dominates most Batman stuff nowadays, but there was a thread of real detective work throughout as he did have to figure out both the motive of the guy causing trouble in Gotham, as well as who they were. And the best part was, it wasn't an already established member of his rogues gallery, so he actually got to do detectiving.
Very much recommend it, if you can find it.
How about for the next "OSP AFTER DARK!" a Magnificent Bastard Tier List. For that list I recommend every one mentioned in the Trope Talk video, Thrawn from Star Wars Rebels, Angor Rot from Troll Hunter & Azula from Last Airbender.
Xanatos from Gargoyles, easy S tier.
Any Bungo stray dogs fans? Ranpo may be "questionable" in terms of the detective thing but he's still a fun character
Absolutely, Ranpo is amazing
Yeeeeeesssss.... Ranpo is one of my favorite characters from that. Dazai, too.
I mean he DOES still count as a detective since he solves cases that even the police or government cant solve
@@pyrosianheir I agree, although I still prefer Chuuya over Dazai, but honestly they're all (mostly) epic and amazing in their own way
@@elementalsailorficora5644 They really are. And on top of that, every OP and ED slaps. It's amazing.
I'm sad at the lack of Jessica Fletcher from Murder, She Wrote.
She's A/S tier, no doubt. The show as a whole is more b tier, though.
SO HAPPY TO SEE LOVE FOR COLUMBO! He’s my absolute favorite!!! I hope your recent vids inspire a whole new generation to watch him!
Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries is such a fun show. While every episode has at least one murder to solve, there is also plenty of focus on the characters and what is going on in their lives. Unlike many detective stories, the characters are actually allowed to have arcs and character growth rather than just be vehicles for the mystery.
Where IS MY HARRY DRESDEN? Or is he going to show up in the wizard tier list?
Like Red even said Dresden's name when they put John Constantine on the list
How can you not list Harry Dresden? I mean sure, he's a B, but still!
Definatly a better wizard than a detective XD
Only the first couple books are really detectivey, it becomes more action fantasy, he may be a detective himself, but the series itself isn’t really anymore
@@eternalsummer8409 Dresden, as a detective, is very much in the noir style where plot kind of happens to him but he's also a legitimately good problem solver and can put things together pretty well when he has a moment to breathe ... which he doesn't get very often.
Interesting...was hoping to hear about Brother Cadfael. He'd be someone my parents would go on about when asked about detectives "outside the mainstream".
Miss Marple is a lot better than B tier, I think the problem is going by the clips on Red's detective video she's only seen the 2000's series and that was a bloody awful depiction, the earlier Joan Hickson series from the mid 1980's does the character far more justice, showing a far subtler character and in episodes like Nemesis hints at a far more ruthless character with a deeper background than appearances would first suggest. So Joan Hickson as Miss Marple S tier, Geraldine McEwen, D tier
A point against the BAU that doesn't get brought up, in a ridiculous number of episodes they reach a point where they state out loud that they can't investigate further until someone else gets killed. Most of their mysteries would never be solved by them without at least 3 examples of the same crime, and I love the BAU but in terms of *detective work* that's a huge knock against them.
Gumshoes detective skills are best seen in one of his themes names and that’s “I can do it when it counts, pal!” He so often does not hit it on the nail but he can… sometimes.
About an hour in at the time of writing, I keep hoping for Dirk Gently, the Holistic Detective :D
Fingers Crossed!
Yep, I was hoping he'd get mentioned till the end! Just to hear their opinion on his methods and very different characters he was adapted into
I am still impressed (and laughing) that we managed to get Steve from Blue's Clues on the list.
Thanks for giving Knives Out proper respect. Very impressive film. Looking forward to the sequel.
Jessica Fletcher: "Am I a joke to you?"
It’s not technically detective work if you’re actually a serial killer framing other people for your murders. ;)
@@Matthew_Raymond by that logic though, this list should be reframed as a serial killer list lol.
It’s not that light isn’t incredibly smart
It’s not that he’s trying to prevent L from finding out he is Kira
He is trying prevent L from getting PROOF that he is Kira
And that he does brilliantly
I thought he died from bullets
the slow moving L was the best part and perfectly on brand for L
Surprised that Conan Edogawa aka Shinichi Kudo from detective Conan isn’t on the list, personally I’d put him at around maybe high B to low A. He’s an interesting character that definitely shows an intellect that’s inspired by Sherlock Holmes, which is funny cause in one episode there’s like a fan club group for the Conan Doyle books and he just starts acting as lively as a little kid about the topic of Sherlock Holmes, that said there are times where he does drop the ball or despite on how good of a detective he is it would take him longer than expected to figure something out, I get it pacing and running time of an episode will do that, but it does get annoying as time goes on in the series.
I was also surprised that he wasn’t put on the list, or maybe he was but they were never able to get there. I don’t remember which detective they were talking about but I find it interesting that sometimes Conan will get those Eureka moments when he’s stuck on a missing piece of the mystery until another character speaks up on something that’s not completely related to the mystery but low key is in some way or another. Definitely feels like an A
I agree, personally I'd put Conan/Shinichi on A tier, but I can see him being at least a B tier detective.
@@ccnyao9806 you mean House MD?
I ADORE the concept behind Detective Conan, I managed to watch over 600 episodes just because of that, but to know that that there's actually a plot that simply refuses to move forward for hundred and hundred of episodes (and tons of movies), it simply gets too tiresome to wait for actual development.
There are so many good detective shows and some of the faves that I recommend is Perry Mason, Diagnosis Murder, Murder She Wrote, Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries, Miss S (Chinese version of Miss Fisher), Murdoc Mysteries, Cadfael Chronicles, In the Name of the Rose, Midsomer Murders and so many more, but these are just my favorites.
My grandma love British murder mysteries, so the words "Detective chief inspector Barnaby, Causton CID" are baked into my head
Love the Murdock Mysteries even if the later seasons got repetitive
Perry Mason is a lawyer!
@@JaelinBezel yes, but for plot purposes he is a detective.
@@janesullivan692 In HBO's reboot series he even starts out as a private eye before he becomes an attorney.
Consider: Dexter Morgan, Richard Castle, Kaname Date, the Doctor, the SVU, Misty Knight, Osmosis Jones himself, Carmelita Fox, Team Chaotix, Pennington from Paper Mario, and Cole Phelps.
Of the ones I'm qualified to speak on, I'd say Date is a solid B. He solves a few mysteries during the game, and he's pretty much spot-on with everything he deduces, except for that one thing. He solves the mystery the best he can when you consider that key details are being hidden from him, and when he finally gets said details he solves the mystery really quickly. He's also the only Team Zero Escape protagonist to actually figure anything out in his game without being told by the culprit except for arguably Junpei in 999 and Diana in ZTD. The only thing that holds Date back is that his emotions occasionally get in the way of rational thinking, and he does consider abandoning the case a couple times because he's horny, but that part's not even really his fault.
The Doctor can range anywhere from A to C depending on the incarnation. Doctor Who mysteries also fall into that area where the audience isn't presented with enough information, more often than not.
It's kind of weird that Osmosis Jones isn't on the list, considering that Indigo mentioned him. Solid A. He's reckless, but he's also the only one who ever figured out what Thrax is up to, and it's implied that Thrax has already killed at least a dozen people.
Carmelita... C. She's way too fixated on Sly, and she often misses out on the bigger threats because of it. She also only ever manages to take down criminals that Sly already left beaten up for her. The ending of the second game implied that she was letting go of her obsession with Sly and opening up to the idea of working with him, but the third game reset her character development completely, and ironically made her more obsessed with catching him than ever. And as far as I'm concerned, the fourth game doesn't exist.
Again, kinda weird that Team Chaotix isn't on the list, given the big conversation about Sonic. I'd assume someone in chat would've mentioned them. I'd say B. Vector is easily the best detective of the bunch. The way he goes about figuring out that Eggman was the one who hired them in Heroes is good. Had future games expanded upon their detective skills, they could easily be an A, but it's totally forgotten about after Shadow and now they don't do anything at all.
Pennington is an F, and I really don't think I need to explain why.
Cole Phelps is in a weird area. The nature of the game makes it so that he's only as good a detective as you are, but in-story he's easily an A. The only cases he ever gets wrong are during the homicide desk and arson desk, and even then he keeps every avenue of investigation open and eventually catches the real culprit. For all those cases he does get wrong, a major factor is that the higher-ups are pressuring him into not following the avenues that would lead to the real culprit. The homicide desk is where his detective skills truly shine, even though he gets the wrong guy most of the time. In certain cases, he does actually believe that the suspect he's currently chasing is the culprit, but it's only because the evidence points that way, and even then he holds onto the possibility that it's the same killer for all the crimes.
Halligan from mystery of the druids is probably a C tier he does successfully figure out what the druids are doing and stops them but he is a manipulator who manipulates anyone who shows him the slightest bit of kindness
One that I truely loved from a completly different setting was ODO from DS9.
The dynamic between him Quark and Garrick was just pure brilliance mainly thanx to the acting and the way DS9 was set up.
YOU BLEW UP YOUR OWN SHOP!!! :D
The thing that is missing is, when they were having audio issues, someone says "Well we have a mystery on our hands"
No one brought up Ciel Phantomhive, and frankly I would have loved to see Red and Indigo argue his merits as a detective.
Missing Veronica Mars from Veronica Mars, she's definitely A Tier. Jimmy Kudo AKA Conan Edogawa from Case Closed is either S or A tier. The Ghost Writer team which is probably B or C. The Hardy Boys 'eh b or c. Also, how could you not include total S Tier Jessica Beatrice Fletcher from Murder She Wrote (played by the legendary Angela Lansbury)?
What I wouldn’t give to see Kim Kitsuragi or Harrier Du Bois on this list.
Kinda wish Nero Wolfe and Archie Goodwin got a mention on this tier list.
Regarding Sherlock Holmes's tendency to jump to conclusions when analyzing details, he does that in the beginning of The Hound of the Baskervilles about Dr Mortimer based on his walking stick, and he gets a lot of it wrong.
I understand that it's not a super popular show but still has a decent following. I would have loved to have seen William Murdoch (Murdoch Mysteries) on here.
Heck yeah, but I don't think he's known outside of Canada
@@chadfalardeau5396 Im in the US so I'm sure there is more than me lol
I’m in the USA and have watched all but the last seasons. I maybe one of the few.
I think a villain tier list would be awesome up next, like ranking magnificent bastards (my favorite), or pure evil villains, etc.
No Louis and Briggs? Inspector Barnaby, Morse! Hetty Wainthrop? Dirk Gently? Jonathan Creek!
Sad British noises.
To be far. Some of those Red and Indigo would find it hard to source as they may not be licensed to America. Dirk Gently saddens me because he is a shout. Ah well, signed another Brit.
I‘m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to not see the greatest detective of all,Kogoro Mori on this list!!!
(no but honestly how could you forget Shinichi Kudo/Conan Edogawa)
Jessica Jones may have had baggage... but despite that she also has had character progression and is happily married to Luke Cage, with an eternally toddler-age kid, because Big Two comics. Hasn't gotten to do much for... a few years now.
I'm not sure if it is on purpose, that they consistently call Poirot french, when it is one of the running gags that he gets very offended by being called french.
What about Dr. Gregory House? Doesn't he count as a Sherlock-a-like?
Just a less detective Sherlock
Medical mysteries so I can see it
@@conormurphy4328 I think House has had enough character development to flesh himself in way more distinctive ways.
For one we see him go to therapy.
@@taitaisanchez as a character yes he is very much his own but looking at him as a medical detective I wouldn’t say there’s enough there to bother with including him on a list like this.
Moriarty the Patriot's version of Sherlock is the most adorable case of Almost Himbo in detectives, change my mind. He basically turns into a Golden Retriever type when he sees someone he likes. A detective that is or almost is a himbo gives me so much dopamine.
Herlock Sholmes in The Great Ace Attorney would like a word
Man, Nick from the Thin Man didn't even make the cut. That makes me sad. Go watch it if you haven't seen it yet!
Neither Nick Charles nor the Continental Agent made the cut, either here or on the Detective Trope Talk. It's like Red read the Maltese Falcon and dismissed Dashiell Hammett entirely based on the least of his works.
About X Files: As it happens with many of these shows, they have the "monster of the week" episodes, and then the overarching plot episodes. They solve successfully almost every single "MOTW" episodes, and they also solve the mysteries from the overarching plot. They can't stop the "culprits", but as detectives they succeed in following the clues and finding the "truth" (the one that, you know, "is out there").
it might overlay a little to mutch from the himbo episode but what about a tank ranking. mainly cause I want to know why Eliot from leverage is the best one hands down
y'know with how much they talk about Sherlock-alikes, it's very funny that they never talk about Herlock Sholmes
They should do one for rogues/thieves!
I think Zenigata needs to at least be B tier. Lupin is quite literally the greatest thief in history and he still sees Zenigata as an equal. Half of what holds him back most the time is his strict honor code and his insistence on doing everything by the book
I watch a lot of British TV-where is Tom Barnaby from Midsomer Murders??
This is the unlikely pick I was hoping for!
That said, given that Barnaby and his assistant of the series only tend to find the murderer after they've killed on four or five different occasions, I can't see him being that high. Maybe a C, since he is an actual detective who solves crimes though.
I know right! I love Midsomer Murders!
So many missed opportunities, we need a part two.
Adrian Monk
Clive Cussler main characters
Martian Manhunter
Box car kids (book series)
Would Indiana Jones count?
Jim Gordon (DC)
Data (surprising amount of mystery focused stories in Next Generation)
Haven't watched this yet, but I am all in favor of seeing more tier lists on this channel because that sounds great... Maybe you could do some tier lists with Blue... I mean, we already basically have his dome tier list covered... But it could be a tier list of ancient Athenians or Roman emperors (that'd be a really cool one) or English monarchs... Or you could have Red and Blue do a tier list on Greek deities, that'd also be neat...
OR if you want something more out-there and not European, then a Japanese yokai tier list... Or just an anime tier list would be cool...
Just wanted to mention that for Anime tier list they would need to watch One Piece, they've explicitly said before they haven't watched One Piece yet.
Sherlock Holmes outside the S tier on this list is inexcusable. The only possible justification would be putting Mycroft Holmes in S tier, thus forcing Sherlock into the A tier due to Sherlock’s canonical deductive inferiority to Mycroft.
Not sure how you can talk about BBC serial detective shows, and not mention Jonathan Creek
! Based on the discussion, I think he would probably straddle the line between B and A tier? Would really recommend the show to anyone looking for a good (albeit a little odd) mystery show! Gotta catch the next one of these live.
I'm surprised they didn't add Jessica Fletcher.
Also, Shadow should be played by Willem Dafoe, thank you very much.
Where is Jessica Fletcher???
South Louisiana resident affected by Ida here. Love that this is detectives, and live that it started with my fave Columbo.
Thanks, and love your stuff. Second time I listen to this.
I'm half way through and still haven't heard Monk come up and I'm gettin nervous
We got a Monk mention with 5 minutes to spare, HELL YEAH
I also do appreciate the Bionicle mention
Oh man, Nick and Norah Charles should be on the board. Old movies, but really fantastic films.
I mean if Nancy made A tier partly due to amount of mysteries solved, even though he wasn't covered I think we can safely place Conan somewhere around S+ tier.
Also a top tier fictional anesthetics applier.
How did they do this without the Great Mouse Detective or Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde. Where my Disney Detectives at?
Well Basil is just Sherlock Holmes as a mouse, so it makes sense why they didn't include him since Sherlock Holmes was already there
I would have loved it if William Murdoch would have been in this tier list
Oh god that reference to Buzzfeed unsolved… God RED and BLUE on PUPPET HISTORY!!!!!!!
YESS!!! that would be so cool!!!
@@nutmegsoup54 even better if it was their chibi doll puppet forms XD
@@FioreCiliegia and they were hiding off screen or something? Bc I would watch that in a heartbeat
Let’s be real, though: Steve from Blue’s Clues wasn’t so much solving mysteries as he was playing charades / Pictionary with his dog, as a means of communication. Like, you could replace Blue with Pikachu and Steve with Ash Ketchum and the premise would be the same.
Blasphemy
I didn't realize dogs were such venetian history nerds
I like to think that Steve knew the whole time what was going on, he just wanted the kids in the audience to learn. :)
But what is Pictionary / charades if not baby’s first murder mystery
YAY!! Thanks so much for giving one of my all-time favorite movies a shout out! “Knives Out”!!!
🔎 JESSICA FLETCHER 🔍
🔎 ADRIAN MONK 🔍
🔎 CLARICE STARLING 🔍
🔎 MATLOCK 🔍
can't believe J.B. Fletcher didn't make it
I don't think Benoit Blanc earns A tier. I ADORE the movie, easy S-tier as a movie, but while he does pretty much immediately peg the suspect, he then lets her tag along, presumably to incriminate herself further, but instead she successfully destroys a whole lot of evidence. It all worked out in the end, but that was not good detectiving.
And then he fails to stop her from getting stabbed, which was another fantastic scene, but I'm just saying that neither Batman nor the Scooby Gang would have let the killer stab their main witness while they were in the room.
B tier, partially because he is a highly effective detective in universe even if he did come real close to mucking up this case, and partially because he does come through in the end.
From personal experience, the trouble with cosplaying Columbo is people will never guess. They all think you’re The Doctor, John Constantine, a Supernatural character… Ron Weasley for some reason…
Also, you missed Jimmy Kudo/Conan Edogawa, although I guess he has the Tintin issue of other people inadvertently solving his crimes FOR him, so… B-Tier. XD
Speaking of Constantine cosplay, I have fun plans for a gender-bent Constantine for myself, which was inspired by my chance purchase of a fantastic tan trench coat.
The two Names I was surprised didn't come up where Detetive Conan and DCI Tom Barnaby from Midsomer Murders. I am some how surprised and not that Indigo has seen the Detective Dee movies.