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I hate the thought that someone got away with murdering 3 people, two of whom were children.
Can hope for Karma. Might not be but can hope.
My thoughts exactly
Unfortunately somebody got away with triple murder.
I'd hope you would hate the thought of it
They will answer one day before God. Just as the victims identities are known only to God, He knows who took their lives also.
The 38 Colt Super was never issued to the US military, but it was common with law enforcement agencies and criminals, especially on the east coast, because of it's ability to penetrate car bodies and early bulletproof vests.
It gives me the best feeling when a somewhat niche subject brings out an expert in the field that comes with some very specific information that would otherwise be hard to figure out. I love this stuff, truly. Very interesting info. Glad you were here to share with us.
So it could be someone who worked in the field of PD or Law offices? A husband or lover?
This lady is probably my favorite narrator in all of true crime
I usually like her a lot too, but I felt this narration wasn't very cohesive. Some of the things she said contradicted prior things, and even the imagery didn't always line up. Like she said the 2 children were shot in the back of the head and the woman between the eyes, but the photo showed a bullet wound in the left TEMPLE.
The military background theory sounds plausible for many reasons, including having a male perpetrator being re-stationed around the time of the crime helping to conceal it, as well as conceal the disappearance of three people, making it harder to locate the family dentist and the use of the military firearm. Thanks for the video, well done, as always.
Sounds like someone wanted to start a new life without them. Very sad.
Yup
This also can tie into a military man, they are by design , to kill. It’s no secret military men can and are abusive,, their occupation is just ironic .
@@N00-k6o my father is a military man and he isn't abusive
Interesting tale. Also very sad. My distant ancestors told of a male relative who, with his wife, "went west" and were never heard from or seen again after that. This was in the 1880s so anything could have happened. Or nothing perhaps. They just lived till they died.
My grandma who was a young teen in the mid 1930s had those EXACT braces. I know because she complained about them quite often lol. For the record she was from Connecticut and was upper middle class.
Someone with money was taking care of them, then decided that they were too much trouble.
I used to be a cop in Vermont and have never heard of this case. Thanks for featuring it.
When faced with certain death do not hesitate to conduct with extreme Violence. Thank you for sharing
Gouge his eyes!
An inconvenient family? Sure sounds like it. Sad.
During the Great Depression a lot of previously wealthy people suddenly lost everything. And a lot of these people committed suicide. The family had expensive dental work and silk clothing which may have been acquired before the Depression hit. Maybe their father/husband lost hope and decided to kill his whole family to spare them the pain and disgrace of prolonged, progressive and inescapable poverty.
Pride was obviously important to this family because they spent what remained of their money on keeping up appearances--silk garments and dental work. And when this illusion could no longer be maintained the father offed them all. How he managed to obscure their identities remains a mystery.
@@evelynzlon9492I’d guess the perpetrator was a dentist. So he destroyed their dental records and never reported them missing. He probably said his wife was a b1tch who ran off with his kids for a sob story.
@@toscadonna That's a possibility. If her whole family was in Armenia they probably would've been powerless to even investigate at that time. Nobody paid attention to Armenia. Nobody.
I love that you cover such unknown cases. I really appreciate your channel. Just a note, we don't say the point in gun calibers. We would just say a thirty eight caliber. I love how clear and straightforward your videos are.
Sounds like a family annihilator at work. Likely the father/husband, but who knows? Bless them.
That's what I thought.
It would be so easy back then to just say that they're living in a different state... another country... she took the kids and went back home to her mom kwim? Very sad I hope if it was the husband he got his in the end.
My thoughts exactly.
Yeah, I totally agree
First thing I thought of as well.
Thank you for covering this case. I live near the area and think about them a lot ❤
How sad that no one seemed to have missed them, and no missing persons notice was ever filed, 😢
Someone is burning in Hell for this crime right this very second.
We can only hope so!
Wow I have lived my entire life in VT have never heard of this! Thank you for covering it.
It's not only sad but it's also spine chilling and frightening that people have gotten away with doing such terrifying barbaric acts like this true crime story right here. Also very creepy and depressing how a lot of the victims never have been identified. It's great we have better technology these days but monsters still get away with doing these terrible horrendous acts still in this day and age. That's why as a mom I'm beyond overprotective of my son.
They might could try and retrieve DNA samples and do genetic genealogy, but after 100 years it might be too degraded. I hate the thought of them never getting their identities back😞 but I hope they're looking down and know many of us care about them, and they're not forgotten by us
The DNA had to have been obtained in the last couple decades, hopefully that means there's a usable profile for entry in a genetic genealogy website.
Amen 😢
Makes you wonder how they can claim to get DNA from dinosaurs, though, doesn't it?
@@eatiegourmet1015 hon no one claims that except fiction (Jurassic park) - do you not understand dna
@@eatiegourmet1015 We will never have DNA from dinosaurs - it has been destroyed when bones were fossilized and "turned" into stone. But it is an exciting thought that it could be possible, like in Jurassic Park, isn't it? 😀
Thanks for the story and so sad but important that people know they were alive and their lives were cruelly taken. They had hopes and dreams like the rest of us.
So very sad. Lost to the world forever. Thank you. Blessings from Michigan.
Ultimately we all will be lost to the world forever. Time devours all.
@Bearded Jagger When I read your comment the first time, I was like, "Wait, what is he talking about?" But then I realized and got more than a little shook that you're so right. All we are is dust in the wind.
Wow! There have been advances in DNA testing, it wouldn’t hurt to try again.
Frustrating to know the killer died presumably a free man/woman. I hope their identities are discovered so their family is contacted. Sad case.
I feel that any potential partner of the woman may have been involved in the murders i mean the father of the boys if he was involved in their lives never came forward to identify their bodies so that raises suspicion imo and surely someone who was in a relationship with the woman would at least had reported them missing but they didn't so that also raises suspicion
It seems like obvious family annihilation. Very much appears they were all executed by an intruder in their home, while the injuries on the mother suggests she was either awake or tried to fight back. The husband/father in that family would be the most likely suspect as the MO feels very personal.
Gray Hughes Investigates Channel sent money into Colleen Fitzpatrick s DNA genealogy company, they are working to try & find names for these people. With the new type of testing it may be possible.
That's really awesome If they could have their identity back. I'm deeply saddened that this happened but I hope that they didn't feel any pain.
Gosh I hope it works. I know degraded DNA is hard if not impossible to work with, but in this case the chances are TRIPLED since there are 3 individuals, and if even one of them can be identified then most likely it would fit with all 3 of them going missing before their deaths.
Good luck with that.
I hope they find something 😢
I was born and raised in Vermont, I had never heard of this story before. Thank you for sharing!
How bizarre. It took 40 years for the Allenstown NH victims to be identified, this is going to be so difficult.
They were found in an army daffelbag presumably killed while sleeping since remains of a pillow were also found.Killed 3/4years prior to be found.The most striking evidence in this case, and perhaps the greatest lead, was found within the skulls. While all had some form of dental work done on them, one of the victims, the eldest child, had extensive dental work including a gold band encircling the entire set of teeth in the upper jaw with an Angle’s ribbon. The dental work was valued at $1,500 at the time.
Yeah, all this was covered in the video.
Did you not listen to the narration to hear if she already covered all that?
Poor people didn’t have that kind of dental work done….not using gold….way too expensive for the poor.
That’s very expensive for that time
this was during the Great Depression... there was alot of desperate people during that time. I could see a family annihilator doing this and going on with his life as though nothing happened. very sad
I'm glad at my age, I find the idea of this crime, utterly repulsive. The idea that someone just disposed of three people, is so heinous.
What does this have to do with your age??
What the heck does murder have to do with your age as a reaction? That makes absolutely no sense.
What an odd comment. 🤷🏼♂️
Someone was able to live with that their entire lives. Thats horrific.
I lived in Addison County for awhile. It's such a peaceful place. This is weird to see.
So tragic what happened to them and the perpetrator whoever it was got to live out their lives until they died a natural death without ever spending a single day in prison for the horrendous crime that they commited
Satistically speaking, someone that could commit such a heinous crime as this, likely committed other crimes as well, and we can only hope they got pinched for one of those, and (deservedly) locked up.
We don't know how the rest of their life played out. For all we know they may have been locked up for something else and there was no connection to this crime, or they died of illness or accident, perhaps were even a murder victim themselves at the hands of someone else. If they were in the military they might have died in duty somewhere.
Very disturbing. Thanks for the story.
1935 is a long time. This is crazy. I pray some how they get identified.
Makes you wonder with so much dental work if they have a relative/killer who was an orthodontist, it would have been easy for them to say I don't recognise that dental work.
My God, an entire family wiped out like that and they never found out who they were is beyond tragic. I hope someday DNA testing becomes more advance so they can discover their identities and finally piece the pieces of the puzzle back together again.
At least they have not been forgotten as many have. It is aggravating that someone might have got away with a triple murder. I would guess her husband did it and skipped the area where they were from to start a new life without his family. Perhaps it was a situation like John List. Without the internet, social media, and new forensic technology news didn't travel as far and wide as now. There weren't as many newspapers or TV news either. Unfortunately, a small family with no other close family members or friends could easily disappear without anyone noticing. Not that I wish anyone's death, I just hope that the murderer managed to get caught and put in prison for some other crime(s).
I think it is a reasonable assumption that the husband/father was their killer. He wasn't in the mass grave, nor does it appear that he reported his family missing, or victims. Plus we now know that we are more likely to be murdered by a family member, than a stranger. Being that they were killed during the great depression time, I wonder if the bones show signs of being malnourished?
@@dmreddragon6 I'm not sure their were enough bones to determine malnutrition but I could be wrong. I would hope they would take the bones to a forensics anthropologist. If they didn't, they probably should.
Thats what I was figuring, a possible Family Annihilation.
Plus it was during the Great Depression. So having the family either being a migrant family who traveled there ,in which case they wouldn’t be missed by anyone there if they weren’t from there…or a family from there that had been assumed to have left for work in another state.
@@dmreddragon6I don’t think they were malnourished because look at the costly dental work.
It could have been for many reasons that a husband and father. Stress? Lost his Job?
Having an affair? Gambling debts? Health problems?
Even when you’re wealthy, you can have any life problems. I hope one day we can finally name these poor people. May GOD Bless them🙏
It's so sad that they were never identified. Perhaps they were immigrants from Europe and, as such, had no family in the US and no dental records either. Nevertheless, they were murdered in a truly horrific way. RIP
There was a “lonely hearts” killer running around at this exact same time, murdering single women and their children. But, sadly, I think he was arrested and in custody when this particular case happened.
He did thi
What a gruesome scene for the investigators.
It was during the Depression. A wealthy man loses his fortune and becomes a family annihilator?
If experts think the dental work cost $1000 in the 30s that would convert to $ 10,000. now. Average families and most affluent families did not do dental work of this caliber at that time.
Strange and unusual that no less than three people could disappear without anyone asking questions. They lived somewhere! They met people. The children went to school. They had grandmothers and other relatives, friends and neighbours. People somewhere in the world missed them and wondered where they had gone. Very odd and so sad.
Makes me think of a case in Sweden from the 1980:s. About 20 minutes drive from where I live, two men were found murdered and sunk in the water in a remote area with steep cliffs and forest. Their faces were reconstructed and descriptions sent out to Interpol, but not a trace of their identity has been found yet. A creepy detail... some people I knew had gone out with their car for a couple of hour's walk with their dogs. The dogs were trying to go down to the water at one spot; they were being unusually stubborn and had to be dragged away. A week or two later the two bodies were found near the shore, right where the dogs tried to go down to the water...
Possibly the father planned it and told the school/ family they were moving. They should have called throughout the US and Canada to see if a family was missing
Creepy and puzzling story. Very well narrated.
Could've been a family who immigrated, often canada was a midway point for people moving to the us in the 1800/1900s
Even back then, the world was a dangerous place for women and children.
And Men.
@@edwardhlavka5843 yours absolutely correct.
Then - as now - men were killed at roughly ten times the rate women are.
Life in general harder for all,but much easier for people to be undocumented than today.
Always has been, always will be
Thank you DC🙏💔🌹🪽
Is there a possibility that maybe A. They were wealthy because work like that back then was a serious thing, and with a war going on, money would have been tight, and something that expensive would not have been done for free. B They had a family member who was a dentist?
The perpetrator could well have been a dentist/army dentist as well as the father/husband.
What war?
@@nicolad8822 Greco-Turkish War (May 1919 - October 1922)
Turkish-Armenian War (September-December 1920)
Franco-Turkish War (December 1918 - October 1921)
Royalist and Separatist revolts (1919-1923)
World War 2 Started on September 1, 1939 - September 2, 1945. In that time the stock market crashed in October 1929 followed by the Great Depression from 1929 to 1941. That should answer your question.
It’s so sad these people has been laying there all this time😞
So sad that these 3 people had such a violent death and to add insult to injury they have been left unidentified for the last 80 years. I’m wondering if one of the public family DNA genealogical sites (ie: 23 and Me, Ancestry or Heritage DNA) could be of some help in finding family members of these 3 poor forgotten people
Who is the model at 8:00? Is that just public domain stock footage? She’s gorgeous
I believe that is a French model by the name of Tits McGee. I hope this comment was helpful.
I hope you are fine, bringing us these stories. Id always be open for you to hang out or to vent. Im really good with death. I don't think its weird. We need echother to make sense of tragedies.
If I had to wager a guess, I'd say probably a family annihilator (father) was responsible for these deaths. How terribly sad and how tragic that their killer never had to face justice for this crime.
i actually grew up like. 45 minutes away from where they were found. my dad grew up even closer. i never really get used to hearing people cite the rutland herold in videos like this.
unfortunately, when it comes to how old this case is, i really dont think itll ever be solved. and, vermonters being vermonters, the only time ive heard anyone talk about this was in a paranormal context. or just another spooooky new england moment. when you dont have names, faces, or stories and a case thats far older than most residents...you get this sort of thing. no real empathy for the folks who died and were never brought to justice.
there were only about 3,000 people living there in the 30s, compared to almost 10,000 now. pretty rural. people spread fairly far out. its possible some guy killed his wife and kids, and being so far from other properties nobody thought anything of it when they didnt see any of them again. or even a stranger who took the opportunity. (which imo seems way more likely to me. people killing their spouses are usually an act of passion, not many die by gunshot. maybe they were killed in another way and shot to make sure they died, but the bullets in her thigh and knee make it sound like she was maybe running away.) maybe she was a single mother. maybe the killer killed themself somewhere else after trying to hide the bodies.
its pretty frustrating knowing we wont ever find out unless, somehow, a distant relative finds this case decades later and thinks they sound like their great great grandma who mysteriously vanished with her kids and nobody ever found out what happened. and even then theres very little evidence that could ever back it up. its not a case ive really looked into before but the longer i think about, the more frustrated i become. probably just because it hits close to home when middlebury is practically a stones throw away from my childhood home. i just hope theyre resting easy, wherever they are.
Another possible theory is that the family could afford expensive dental work because the killer(husband) was a dentist.
Sounds like this was a murder carried out by an army GI on his family
Terribly sad.
So many people were displaced and on the move in 1935 because of the Great Depression. It would be easy to dispose of your family and move on to reinvent yourself. Sadly.
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Seems like an angry father just snapped. Or perhaps someone targeted the mother and then had to conted with her two sons. I hate not knowing who they are or who did this to them!
My theory is family annihilation. Husband/father shot them in their beds. If it was someone robbing them, they'd have taken the gold in their mouths.
That was my thoughts exactly: it’s very unlikely that a robber would not check to see if there was gold dental work if it was so common at the time.
When was the DNA work done? The presentation might have benefited from the historic events being separated from the more recent?
I looked through articles and none of them say. Clearly it couldn't have been done for many years, so I would hope that means there's enough usable DNA for entry into a genetic genealogy database.
But agree, the video almost sounded like DNA was done in the 30s, which we know is impossible.
Fluorine the extremely volatile element or fluoride (a compound)? I couldn’t find anything about fluorine being used in water purification BUT Grand Rapids, MI was the first city in the US to add fluoride to the water in 1945. Previous any fluoride in the water would have come from naturally occurring sources. If that’s the case it should narrow the search area down.
I grew up in Vermont. There are a number of unsolved murders & disappearances.
I used to live in this area and never heard of this. Wow.
I wonder if they were from Canada, it's less than a 3 hour drive to Montreal from there
This is a rough one
The ones that hurt the most!💔
He must have had help to carry 3 bodies without those 2 farm households noticing
Whou…that was a very interesting case…sad knowing no one misses them…😢
It’s odd that they were able to identify the younger child as male, but couldn’t determine the gender of the older one. Usually gender indicators become more prominent at the time of puberty, so the gender of a 13-15 yo should be more easily determined than that of a 9-10 yo. Of course, it’s possible that the state of the bones obscured some signs, but I’d be curious to know what was going on there.
Rural Vermont, many decades ago prior to modern communications technology, peoples circle of friends and family did not reach very far. Many people lived and died within 50 miles of their birthplace. They may be missed at the moment, but eventually forgotten, or accepted as gone, their being very little that could be done to search and locate them. No digital trails, phone records, credit card networks, no security cameras...nothing really. Unless they made contact by mail, people would leave an area and never heard from again.
As a native Vermonter i am shocked i have never heard this story before
i doubt the DNA has been looked at in a few years, if they try today by uploading it to all the ancestry sites i bet they find some distant relatives to help solve their identities
Happy to be back
Some monster got away with triple murder.
Watching this while there’s a huge thunder lightning storm outside adds to the atmosphere lol
When the hunter said he thought it was just a decaying animal he was right.....a human.
So devastating
How sad, really sad.
How very sad three human beings were killed never identified, not even reported missing. Perhaps the doer got incarcerated for other crimes. It would be doubly sad if they got to live out their natural life unpunished.
I am wondering if it wasn't a husband/father who was the perpetrator. For three people to go missing and no one close to them saying anything or notice or alert the authorities sounds odd. Unless of course the person closest to them was the person who made them go missing. Of course this isn't exactly the strongest theory because one would think that these people had neighbors teachers friends.
Sounds like the father did it. Notice the mother was shot in the kneecap, thigh bone, and between the eyes? So he tortures her before he finally executed her and looked her in the eyes whilst he did it. Maybe he was a dentist, and that’s why none of the thousands of dentists contacted ever replied with their names? He probably said his wife left him and took the kids and had a nice sob story for the rest of his evil life.
The nature of the proven and hypothesized facts alike has gotten my mind bussing with more theories than most stories you've related:
- The possibility of Jewish ancestry, especially if they were well-off makes me wonder: was this a hate crime, in the name of anti-Semitism?
- A more far-fetched idea along the same limes is whether organized crime had anything to do with it: there were Jewish and Irish, as well as Italian alements to the early Mafia that was already in place by this time. However, this seems awfully brutal even for THEM, with the murder of women & children
- The combined possibilities of military-style dentistry and weaponry certainly seem to go together, as is the possibility of their "affluence" being due to an officer's pay. One wonders if this is a case like Jeffrey MacDonald's crimes, where an officer does in his entire family and then tries to cover for it.
The ideas keep coming . . . and all of them suck.
I think this was family annihilation. Shot at home (probably in bed and/or asleep) and the bodies dumped in that remote location.
Dumped by the side of a logging road i.e. a vehicle was used to take them there.
So sad, to die with no name.
To me a plausible theory is they were new immigrants probably from Europe, who hadn't been in America long enough to establish relationships that would be missed, and any report of them missing in their home country would fail to reach American detectives. For that matter they might not have even been reported in their home country, if the mother intended to flee from something (like a dangerous partner) and told her own family what she was doing, but when they didn't hear from her again they just assumed she was keeping a low profile for a while. And of course if they were Jewish, a dozen other complications could be involved.
Since no dentists came forward, and these is very expensive specific types of dental work, it makes you wonder if the patriarch was not a dentist himself, and he did this to his family. As there is no father found with this family, even if a man had a bitter divorce, which was very uncommon in those days, why would any father not report his children missing? Unless he is the cause of them missing.
Even if you could obtain a divorce in the 30s the courts usually always gave the husbands custody, as a way to kind of scare other women from demanding divorce and because as a divorced woman you were not trustworthy anymore. Only in rare cases if a husband was very abusive would women be given custody. And it would have to be extreme abuse, as it was not against the law at that time to hit your wife.
Even though the perpetrator is long gone now, I think a good line of inquiry would be to look at Dentists, in Vermont, Canada and neighboring states. Maybe start with Indiana as there is a link through that suspicious car too seen at the scene by police after discovering the bodies.
Personally, I believe this woman and her children were murdered by the husband/father. Perhaps he was a wealthy man (given the dental care) who became tired of his wife and sought out a mistress? Then he decided he wanted to marry his lover but realized he couldn't obtain a divorce, so he devised a scheme to get rid of his wife and avoid dealing with his children. So... He got rid of them too! Plus, given how long this family had gone undiscovered, I believe my theory is strengthened by the fact that this woman's husband was wealthy. Extremely wealthy. He could perhaps also have served in the military or been a police officer in the past. Cause of the gun that was used? This, again, would explain why these folks were never reported missing.
Edward Muncin. Why does that seem familiar?
Stranger Things?
Maybe confusing it with Edvard Munch? The artist that painted The Scream.
@@NGUMNLOL that's right where my mind went when I heard the name!
So sad.😢
I’m leaning towards the idea that this was a family of immigrants who haven’t been in the US for long or were perhaps visiting. That would explain why no US dental records matched and, if a fairly well-off American family suddenly disappeared, the people around them would notice and start asking questions.
I’d imagine the family immigrated here in hopes to reverse their fortunes after coming upon hard times back home and, after trying and failing to provide for his family, the father just snapped and killed them in hopes of starting over again. In that case, he might still have descendants in the US that could some day be linked to the victims. Though, it would be insane for someone to find out that they only exist because their father/grandfather massacred his first family.
maybe they should have checked out any military connection.possible killed by the husband.
Sounds like another family annihilation case.
This sounds like a similar case I think it was in Seattle or in that area in the woods they found some skeletons of kids and they were able to date it back before the 60's. I think it was on Forensics Files.
Could you give me more information? I want to research this case
@@danamullins1275 I seen it on an old episode of Forensics Files. This been a while back. I just remember what I said in the comments above. Interesting episode and case.
I'd look into prominent business men or officers of the time in the area and surrounding and see if they closed shop or were deployed elsewhere around 1932. It would be hard to explain as a military man that your whole family went missing but I guess at that point in time one could say the wife left you suddenly and no one could really check back then.
Sounds like a family annihilator to me
I'm surprised Parabond (spelling?) Labs couldn't get DNA from any tooth pulp. That's a common place to find it.
Perhaps the killer was the dentist because they refused to pay the bill.
In cases like this, where they have quite distinct, costly dental records but they ask nearly 6000+ dentists or orthodontists and can't identify them...could there be a chance the killer/father of what may be a family, was a dentist or orthdontist himself? That way he could have done the costly work. and then once he killed everyone, got rid of all their records so even if he left his practice to someone else, they couldn't check for them as they no longer exist. If he was military he may have been posted somewhere else after the deaths, or he could have taken his skills and travelled as dentists, especially in the 30's, in isolated places, would probably he able to find work and start a new life.
Or if part of what he left behind was being a dentist, then he just made sure to take those specific files as well and get rid, and then he can disappear and be who he wants.