its interesting how for the graphic of Allen and Lamar side by side shows turnovers as a stat instead of interceptions and shortly after , the other quarterbacks graphic only showed interceptions as a stat.
I noticed that too. Suspect at best. Anyone else who has 39 passing touchdowns to 4 interceptions with Zay Flowers and Bateman at top wrs would be celebrated on high for the ages, like Rodgers, whose all-time passing rating record is about to get broken.
Ravens had over 10 starters or key players depart from the team.3 olinemen,jk dobbins,Patrick Queen,Deshon Elliot,OBJ,Gus Edward’s,Jadaveon Clowney,Geno Stone,Rock ya Sin,Ronald Darby,Devin Duvernay Plus we lost our defensive coordinator Mike Macdonald and Keaton Mitchell was injured for 80% of the season.Thats why we had the 32nd ranked defense when we played the Bills week 4 and won 35-10. Lamar Jackson’s threat to run has allowed Derrick Henry to have the highest RB success rate in his career(59%). Lamar is beating Josh Allen in every stat except rushing TDs and he has less interceptions.Ravens played the 4th toughest schedule this season.The Bills schedule and division is weak. Lamar broke Mike Vick’s rushing record and is on pace to break Aaron Rodgers passer rating record all in the same season. Mind you Peyton Manning won MVP with Marvin Harrison and Edwin James a 1500 yard rusher.Kurt Warner won MVP with Marshall Faulk who was 2nd in MVP voting. Josh Allen is having a good season.Lamar Jackson is having a historic season
This discussion started off on a false premise. Lamar Jackson had better numbers last year than Josh Allen. Lamar threw 24 tds with 7 picks while Allen threw 29 but threw a ridiculous 18 interceptions. Lamar was the only all-star on the 1 seed that had no other all-stars on offense. The tush push touchdowns didn't make Hurts an mvp candidate so I don't understand why Allen is getting so much credit for scores that the running back could get. Lamar just carried out the fake and his back scores at the best red zone rates in the league. The mvp should not be a team award or just give it to Mahomes for navigating to the 2nd round of the playoffs with that supporting cast and no left tackle. Allen has the best offensive line in the afc by far and the weakest division now that the season has been played. The Ravens have played the entire afc playoff field, the Eagles, Commanders, and the Bucs when healthy and Godwin was going crazy. The Bengals and Burrow would be in the Ravens position had Lamar not won the two shoot outs from behind. The sympathy and fatigue narratives are ridiculous and sad coming from serious football people.
Last year Josh had those interceptions. Not this year. This year the entire world had the Bills not going to the playoffs and finishing behind all teams except the patriots in our division. Remember when Diggs left? Yeah…all we heard was Josh was nothing without him, he would regress…. Seems like it’s NEVER enough. I also remember the Bills beating the Ravens a few years ago in the playoffs…. Why all the Josh hate?
Josh didn’t get embarrassed, the team did. And I also remember Them beating the Ravens in the playoffs a few years ago… kinda sick of all the Josh hate
@@kimberlygranger5205But we are discussing this year. And the Ravens have had a greater strength of schedule, greater strength of victories and beat the Bills. The Ravens WR duo are not as elite as the Bills duo, and Lamar is such a defensive problem that the defensive focus on him assists Henry's running game.
if I hear "josh Allen had better numbers than Lamar last year" again I'm going to crash out. Everyone who has said that just leaves out the part that he threw almost 20 freaking picks !!!!!!!!! can't be an MVP. throwing that many picks
Diggs was the issue as Allen had to force throws. Look at his int went down after they stopped focusing on diggs last year and this year he's just throwing to the open receiver or running when he has to. Unlike Lamar who seems to run every other play
Bills fan here. The ONLY reason that I did NOT argue the last year’s MVP vote nit being Allen was the turnovers. The problem is, that if the numbers were the deciding factor for the MVP and the turnovers were the problem for not getting MVP then why wasn’t Dak Prescott?! I sound crazy saying it should’ve been Prescott right?! Lamar Jackson has better numbers than he has EVER had right? He also has Derek Henry right?! Why does that matter? It’s because when Henry is on the field opposing teams have to load the box to stop him so Jackson’s receivers get more separation for Lamar to throw to them. Lamar Jackson has the least tight windows to throw through this season. On Christmas day, he made a few good throws but before that Derek Henry had the bulk of the load. Having Henry in the backfield is as good as play action. The first drive Henry sat out, the Ravens PUNTED!!! The Texans did not need extra bodies in the box to stop Henry. Don’t take this the wrong way. I don’t think, I know Lamar Jackson is elite but Josh Allen has as few really good players, a bunch of special teamers as his weapons and a rookie. Josh Allen is the MVP THIS YEAR. I’m not even saying he should’ve been the MVP last season but c’mon.
If the ravens roster was so good how is Lamar having his best MVP season, Derrick Henry running over 1700 yards and they still 11 and 5. It goes to show you what the ravens would be without Lamar.
I don't understand how the Bills beating the Chiefs is some ultimate achievement.. The Chiefs won 14 one posession games, blocked FG, doinked field goal that went in, the chiefs damn near lost to the panthers. Also, Lions were so depleted. This dude is blatantly biased and you can hear it in his voice... that boy passionate Ravens are a significantly worst team without Lamar with or with out DH. Reason being, Baltimore's offense is designed and builty strictly for Lamar Jackson. If LJ falls, they all fall, look at the record without Lamar!! Like the Ravens didn't lead the league in rushing every year with out Henry. Bills put down their own players to prop up Josh Allen, it's despicable. Bills have Cook (leads the league in TD's and could have 7-8 more if it wasn't for the tush push merchant Josh Allen), a Keon Coleman (who was projected 1st round and was grabbed very early in the 2nd), Amari Cooper (5x pro bowler), top 3 OL, and Kincaid (2023 first rounder). Bill's PR team beggin beggin. It's going to be so sweet when Lamar goes MV3!!!! Best of luck though
This is why you have to actually watch the GAMES, which none of you seem to have done. Allen had more stats last year cause he was BEHIND in many of those games. Lamar was sitting out of games. When they faced the ravens this year, Allen got BENCHED. What record was set that week? First time a MVP candidate gets benched cause they’re doing that bad. Give Allen the pity MVP if ya’ll want to. SMH..ya’ll reaching further than Mr. Fantastic.
After listening to the first 30 seconds of this, I wanted to turn it off..! Just give Josh his participation 🏆 trophy so Lamar goes on a playoff/Superbowl tare, please !
*SOMETHING YOU DID’NT MENTION:”* -Lamar’s defense and special teams were ranked in the lower 3rd of the league and Lamar STILL put up numbers -You can’t penalize Lamar for having Derrick Henry when he and other RBs were considered washed up…(that’s why he, Mixon, Barkley and Jacobs are on different teams that are playoff contenders). -You bragged about Josh not needing Diggs after you blew out JAX…then Baltimore SMOKES the Bills and starts their two-game losing streak now all of a sudden Josh needs help???? Ridiculous -Last year, Lamar beat all other MVP candidates with the best record in the ENTIRE LEAGUE!….(while beating the 49ers, Lions, and Seahawks who were #1 before playing them). -This year, Lamar has beaten all of the other AFC playoff teams except 1….Josh is 3-3…(Lamar is 7-3). -Lamar played 3 games in 11 days and their margin of victory is 67 points!
Josh Allen has a division without a real team. The Steelers are a playoff team. The Bengals are trying to be a playoff team and somehow the browns have wins over the Steelers and ravens. They're in a competitive division.
🤔... Lamar Jackson is so good... He makes other players way better... plus Lamar has been doing more with less since entering the league 💯.... All this pity for Josh is BS... Lamar Jackson been looking like he's on a whole nother level period 💯💪
Lamar's been making his whole team look better and his coach. Harbs went from solidly on the "hot seat" to (Coach of the year) in Lamar's first full season. And that after throwing the team under the bus, when it was his bad coaching that ended the chance to win a playoff game against the Titans .
I find it funny that the arguments bills fans and media are trying to mend fir Allen in not having enuff help and him doing more with less is what ravens fans have preached Lamar’s entire career and media and bills fans said “it doesn’t matter, Lamar needs to make the players better and he has more than enuff help” 😂
This is Lamar best year he has 2 mvps this is Allen worst year he has none lmao 🤣 get that shit out of here. There is no comparison Allen is the best QB/player in the league
Some analysts are putting Joe Burrow ahead of Jared Goff and Sam Darnold, Baker mayfield The networks can hype others to generate buzz, but true football fans know the truth. Lamar Jackson isn’t just a top quarterback he’s the real MVP. let’s be real everyone knows Lamar Jackson is the true MVP. The NFL is a business, and TV networks collaborate to create narratives that sell their product and boost ratings. These rankings and debates are often driven by marketability rather than on-field performance. But when you look at the numbers and the impact, Lamar stands above the rest especially over Josh Allen and others. The networks can hype others to generate buzz, Lamar exited 5 games early because he was so dominant for 3+ quarters. He's probably would be at 4,300 yards with about 45 TDs passing if he hadn't built such commanding leads in his games. Bills play in the worst division in football. They have 6 gimme wins a year. Ravens have to play the Steelers and Cincy, and the Browns have a solid defense. Allen is 3-3 against winning teams, 2-3 against playoff teams. Lamar is 7-3 against winning teams, and if the Bengals make the playoffs, he'll be 9-3 against playoff teams Media trashed these same Ravens receivers last season. Also, as much as folks love Derrick Henry the Ravens led the NFL in rushing last season with 300 more yards than the 2nd place team, they said Derrick Henry was over the hill. Now want to change the narrative. Lamar and the ravens got to a 0-2 start turn that around to having a chance to win the division this Saturday at 4:30pm, played hardest schedule, not playing any preseason, having a terrible defense throughout most of the season, his kicker missing kicks and extra points, losing 3 offensive lineman, Mark Andrew taking most of season to get back right. Last point yall bring up Allen beating KC but Lamar had this Dude put on the bench. Cause they was beating the breaks of the bill, if y'all wanna give so much credit to Derrick Henry make sure y'all bring up. Josh Allen was on pace to have his worst statistical season until they acquired Amari Cooper a number one wide receiver that turned the season around for the bills, for some reason y'all forget to mention that statement. Lamar Jackson won an MVP with Hollywood Brown, Seth Roberts, Willie Snead and Miles Boykin at WR Please stop with the narrative Allen has no weapons, Please stop yall bull stuff with that roster. That bill roster is definitely stacked, and well balanced. Allen had 2 maybe 3 great games this year when really matter most, One of them came with him at that, but of course let's look over that part, and also look over his worse lost that came at the hands of Lamar. But yall bring up the lost Lamar had against Las Vegas in week two. Not the Sunday night week 4 win were the golden boy was benched in the 3QT😂😂
@fabiolucarini102 wasn't Henry considered washed before he joined the ravens? Playing with Lamar has made it easy for him,that's exactly why Lamar is the mvp
The all 22 shows exactly why Henry is having his best year. LITERALLY ALL of the rbs that play with lamar have their best or resurgent years. There's no rb that does poorly when playing with lamar. The all 22 shows exactly why.
In 7 seasons since Lamar and Allen were drafted Allen has more reg season wins, more playoff wins, more passing tds, more pass yards, more rushing tds, roughly same rush per attempt and more fantasy points. It isn't particularly close. Allen is #1 in the NFL over those 7 years in wins, total touchdowns and total yards. How tf do you stat ignorant cherrypicking fools thinkin that Lamar is better lol and u saying he is 3 MVP's to 0 better than Josh, the #1 dude with all the stats the past 7 years!?? Lamar's not better at all, let alone 3 effing MVP's better. Bullshite! and I just showed you how. Lamar doing a nice job with that 1st ballot HOF running back who's havin a career year, two #1 pick wr's, a top 3 tight end, a top 5 O-line, the top rushing offense in AFC etc. Josh is throwing to Mack f*cking Hollins broh, ffs 😂😂😂 Josh got no 1k receivers, no 1k rusher. Henry has almost 2k yards wtf 😂 and u think LAMAR is more valuable??? GTFOH!!!😅😅
LMFAO, around 1200 yards btw. get ur facts right before u comment. derrick henry is more of a threat and other defenses have to prepare for him since hes a threat which opens up lamars passing game more. and allen had better stats last year and lamar won, but all of a sudden stats matter this year. double standards are crazy🤣
@ please look at the head to head stats again last year and then come back. Also keep in mind Lamar sat out 8 4th quarters last year. And werent the bills 6-6 and he got his OC fired. Second I notice you didn’t mention the tds. He has the most 20 yds plus tds this year. How the hell he not a threat. Now you just talking.
@@marcusfrazier20 ur just talking. allen sat out a bunch of 4th quarters this year and is about to sit out a full game next week. he sat out about 7 4th quarters and yet has better stats than lamar did last year. keep talking bud, we all know allen does more with less. and why are u saying like we didnt win out last 5 games last year and finish 11-6. allen did not get his oc fired where did u get that from? everyone knows its allen is the clear mvp
@@billslslslslslsl Yeah Allen sat out a quarter because he was benched against Lamar when they blew the bills out...something that has never happened to Lamar. And Allen Sitting out for the last game is evidence AGAINST the MVP award as a reminder how easy his schedule was and how garbage the division he plays in. Lamar is playing in a division where 3 teams might end up with winning records and be in the playoffs, meanwhile Josh plays in a division where 3 teams have losing records with a combined total of 7 wins and are competing for top picks in the draft instead of playoff spots lol. But that has been Allen's whole career. Stat padding against garbage teams and struggling against the good ones. No matter how much you pretend it didn't happen, Josh Allen went 9/30 and has the record for the worst completion% ever in the history of the NFL. Also only beat 2 playoff teams this year and one of them had their entire defense injured. Lamar beat more playoff teams than Allen even played. If Allen wins the award, it will be known as the MVPity and be more about Lamar fatigue than being pro-josh.
@@DorkJelly he didnt get benched.... why would u wanna play if your losing by 25. Yall be saying he got benched lmfao, but he didnt. I aint reading all that btw. allen has a better record, yall started the narrative lmfao, so stfu. Allen = MVP
Ravens was 1st seed last year and Lamar was up against Brock Purdy not Josh Allen last year, this year Bills are only 2 seed while ravens are 3, not a big difference between seeding. Just wanting to give Josh the award bc Lamar already have 2 is literally the definition of Pity
🤔The difference is Lamar Jackson was the #1 seed ...last year.... Josh not the #1 seed this year.... 🤷Plus Josh wasn't even top 4 in voting last year 🎯.... Plus Josh had 18 interceptions last year 🎯... That's not a qualifying 💯 shameful pity for Josh is embarrassing
Allen 40 plus tds in 5 consecutive seasons,set a record against the rams with 3 rushing and 3 passing,a record held since 1954? And then Allen single handily beating kc and detroit.yeah he is the MVP
U stop spamming us you're on our show dude. In 2023 Allen had a better touchdown to turnover margin and better turnover worthy play percentage according to Pro Football Focus. Just stop and then foh straight out the door 🚪 💯
Josh has 8 turnovers guys and Lamar has 9. Even if the have 12 turnovers each I'll still say they're both incredible, but don't just post anything. Where's the integrity.
Lamar didn’t have 28 interceptions last year and Lamar helped his team beat some of the heat teams in the league . Lamar and the Ravens destroyed the Bills and is important to the Ravens because without him they don’t win like they have this year . Some guys the Kicker costed the Ravens games . Lamar extends plays and passes the eye test and has the stats to back it up . This is just an Anti Lamar channel and you have one boot lick on the screen and three people at the table who I suspect are Anti Black.
Allen will get the pity mvp award hahaha ....allen scored no points against the ravens and then put up a stinker against the texans. Yall saying allen should've won it last season but will not mention his 22 turnovers and oh yeah he had more significant "weapons"
Lamar lost to a 1 win browns team a 2 win raiders team then couldn't beat playoff teams like KC the eagles and Steelers earlier in the season and ravens beat the bills off of Henry having over 200 yards rushing Lamar didn't do much in that game Lamar was the one that got the charity MVP last season when he wasn't MVP his numbers said he wasn't Lamar got it based on record same as Allen will only difference is Allen. Had high light plays this season and Lamar was average nothing stood out last season for Lamar you are an idiot you are literally criticizing Josh for doing the same thing lamar did vs the teams I named get facts
Both have been in the league for seven years. Lamar has won the MVP twice & only has two playoff wins while Allen has five playoff wins as well as five consecutive division titles. Also five years of 40+ touchdowns. With less around him Allen is the clear MVP. Not to downplay Lamar’s year but he has more weapons around him. If you give Lamar a third MVP in his seven years with only two playoff wins on his record it would not make much sense. Does Lamar deserve to be up with the other three MVP winners? Jim Brown, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, & Aaron Rodgers? Does he deserve that company in just seven years in the league with two playoff wins?
He absolutely deserves it you dummy. MVP isn't based on sympathy nor is it a lifetime achievement award. If Allen wants to win he'll have to outperform the competition.
@@tyleraguon9995no way he deserves it dude. Lamar doesn't even have the best stats in the past 7 years. In that 7 seasons Allen is #1 in WINS, TOTAL TOUCHDOWNS AND TOTAL YARDS. Allen has more reg season wins, more playoff wins, more passing tds, more pass yards, more rushing tds, roughly same rush per attempt and more fantasy points than Lamar. How over that same period is Lamar freakin Jackson, who isn't even #2 on those stats to Allen's #1 status, 3 freakin MVP's better!? There is NO f*cking way broh. Kindly FOH. Thanks for playing stupid commenter. You win!
Deserve ? WTF are you talking about ? Watch him play ! Lamar's constantly getting complimented (during game play) by opposition D-linemen and edge rushers, who just can't get to him !
Context is key. And what I see is people like these never put things into proper context. Lamar having lower numbers last years was because he sat out a lot of the 4th quarter because of the manhandling. And Lamar got the love last year because they beat up on so many playoff type teams in the process. Ravens beat 10 teams with winning records. The Bills this year beat 10 teams with losing records. Make it make sense!
Barkley over both if you break a 40-year-old record in a similar amount of attempts amount it needs to go to him. Plus he'd be getting close to TD record if he had any other qb
Yall the same goofballs on here that said bills would beat the ravens. Josh had a ton of interceptions last year that's why he didn't win stop playing crazy
This guys a joke. Says they got Henry, and got worse. Omitted that their offensive line coach died right before the season. They lost their DC to another team, as well as 3 other top coaches. Just left all of that out. Hilarious.
Go look at 2020 stats of Josh vs Lamar and Lamar won mvp that year. Allen had 5,000 yards passing 37 TD 10 int Lamar 3,000 27 TD 9 int lmao. It’s a narrative award 🥇. Josh is MVp get over it
allen has 1 less turnover lol. I do think the TO stat should be used to compare the 2 but if you change it to justify against other QBs, its less impressive
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its interesting how for the graphic of Allen and Lamar side by side shows turnovers as a stat instead of interceptions and shortly after , the other quarterbacks graphic only showed interceptions as a stat.
IKR these peoples all have an agenda !
I noticed that too. Suspect at best.
Anyone else who has 39 passing touchdowns to 4 interceptions with Zay Flowers and Bateman at top wrs would be celebrated on high for the ages, like Rodgers, whose all-time passing rating record is about to get broken.
Ravens had over 10 starters or key players depart from the team.3 olinemen,jk dobbins,Patrick Queen,Deshon Elliot,OBJ,Gus Edward’s,Jadaveon Clowney,Geno Stone,Rock ya Sin,Ronald Darby,Devin Duvernay
Plus we lost our defensive coordinator Mike Macdonald and Keaton Mitchell was injured for 80% of the season.Thats why we had the 32nd ranked defense when we played the Bills week 4 and won 35-10.
Lamar Jackson’s threat to run has allowed Derrick Henry to have the highest RB success rate in his career(59%).
Lamar is beating Josh Allen in every stat except rushing TDs and he has less interceptions.Ravens played the 4th toughest schedule this season.The Bills schedule and division is weak.
Lamar broke Mike Vick’s rushing record and is on pace to break Aaron Rodgers passer rating record all in the same season.
Mind you Peyton Manning won MVP with Marvin Harrison and Edwin James a 1500 yard rusher.Kurt Warner won MVP with Marshall Faulk who was 2nd in MVP voting.
Josh Allen is having a good season.Lamar Jackson is having a historic season
This discussion started off on a false premise. Lamar Jackson had better numbers last year than Josh Allen. Lamar threw 24 tds with 7 picks while Allen threw 29 but threw a ridiculous 18 interceptions. Lamar was the only all-star on the 1 seed that had no other all-stars on offense.
The tush push touchdowns didn't make Hurts an mvp candidate so I don't understand why Allen is getting so much credit for scores that the running back could get. Lamar just carried out the fake and his back scores at the best red zone rates in the league.
The mvp should not be a team award or just give it to Mahomes for navigating to the 2nd round of the playoffs with that supporting cast and no left tackle. Allen has the best offensive line in the afc by far and the weakest division now that the season has been played. The Ravens have played the entire afc playoff field, the Eagles, Commanders, and the Bucs when healthy and Godwin was going crazy. The Bengals and Burrow would be in the Ravens position had Lamar not won the two shoot outs from behind.
The sympathy and fatigue narratives are ridiculous and sad coming from serious football people.
Josh allen had 18 interceptions
And two more fumbles which eqauled 20 turnovers. Lamar also had a way better passer rating and spanked Buffalo.
Last year Josh had those interceptions. Not this year. This year the entire world had the Bills not going to the playoffs and finishing behind all teams except the patriots in our division. Remember when Diggs left? Yeah…all we heard was Josh was nothing without him, he would regress…. Seems like it’s NEVER enough. I also remember the Bills beating the Ravens a few years ago in the playoffs…. Why all the Josh hate?
If Josh would’ve beat Lamar there would be no debate but Josh got embarrassed
Josh didn’t get embarrassed, the team did. And I also remember Them beating the Ravens in the playoffs a few years ago… kinda sick of all the Josh hate
@@kimberlygranger5205But we are discussing this year. And the Ravens have had a greater strength of schedule, greater strength of victories and beat the Bills. The Ravens WR duo are not as elite as the Bills duo, and Lamar is such a defensive problem that the defensive focus on him assists Henry's running game.
if I hear "josh Allen had better numbers than Lamar last year" again I'm going to crash out. Everyone who has said that just leaves out the part that he threw almost 20 freaking picks !!!!!!!!! can't be an MVP. throwing that many picks
I value 44 TD and 21 turnovers more than 29 TD and 9 TO
Worst propaganda I've ever heard. He finished 5th in voting last year.
@@christopherhein-du1xiit’s because you are goofy! Nothing more nothing less.
Diggs was the issue as Allen had to force throws. Look at his int went down after they stopped focusing on diggs last year and this year he's just throwing to the open receiver or running when he has to. Unlike Lamar who seems to run every other play
Bills fan here. The ONLY reason that I did NOT argue the last year’s MVP vote nit being Allen was the turnovers. The problem is, that if the numbers were the deciding factor for the MVP and the turnovers were the problem for not getting MVP then why wasn’t Dak Prescott?! I sound crazy saying it should’ve been Prescott right?! Lamar Jackson has better numbers than he has EVER had right? He also has Derek Henry right?! Why does that matter? It’s because when Henry is on the field opposing teams have to load the box to stop him so Jackson’s receivers get more separation for Lamar to throw to them. Lamar Jackson has the least tight windows to throw through this season. On Christmas day, he made a few good throws but before that Derek Henry had the bulk of the load. Having Henry in the backfield is as good as play action. The first drive Henry sat out, the Ravens PUNTED!!! The Texans did not need extra bodies in the box to stop Henry. Don’t take this the wrong way. I don’t think, I know Lamar Jackson is elite but Josh Allen has as few really good players, a bunch of special teamers as his weapons and a rookie. Josh Allen is the MVP THIS YEAR. I’m not even saying he should’ve been the MVP last season but c’mon.
Just because you spent last years mortgage on Josh Allen memorabilia cards doesn't mean he is the mvp. Jackson mv3 99.8%
If the ravens roster was so good how is Lamar having his best MVP season, Derrick Henry running over 1700 yards and they still 11 and 5. It goes to show you what the ravens would be without Lamar.
I don't understand how the Bills beating the Chiefs is some ultimate achievement.. The Chiefs won 14 one posession games, blocked FG, doinked field goal that went in, the chiefs damn near lost to the panthers. Also, Lions were so depleted.
This dude is blatantly biased and you can hear it in his voice... that boy passionate
Ravens are a significantly worst team without Lamar with or with out DH. Reason being, Baltimore's offense is designed and builty strictly for Lamar Jackson. If LJ falls, they all fall, look at the record without Lamar!! Like the Ravens didn't lead the league in rushing every year with out Henry. Bills put down their own players to prop up Josh Allen, it's despicable. Bills have Cook (leads the league in TD's and could have 7-8 more if it wasn't for the tush push merchant Josh Allen), a Keon Coleman (who was projected 1st round and was grabbed very early in the 2nd), Amari Cooper (5x pro bowler), top 3 OL, and Kincaid (2023 first rounder). Bill's PR team beggin beggin. It's going to be so sweet when Lamar goes MV3!!!!
Best of luck though
This is why you have to actually watch the GAMES, which none of you seem to have done. Allen had more stats last year cause he was BEHIND in many of those games. Lamar was sitting out of games. When they faced the ravens this year, Allen got BENCHED. What record was set that week? First time a MVP candidate gets benched cause they’re doing that bad. Give Allen the pity MVP if ya’ll want to. SMH..ya’ll reaching further than Mr. Fantastic.
After listening to the first 30 seconds of this, I wanted to turn it off..!
Just give Josh his participation 🏆 trophy so Lamar goes on a playoff/Superbowl tare, please !
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*SOMETHING YOU DID’NT MENTION:”*
-Lamar’s defense and special teams were ranked in the lower 3rd of the league and Lamar STILL put up numbers
-You can’t penalize Lamar for having Derrick Henry when he and other RBs were considered washed up…(that’s why he, Mixon, Barkley and Jacobs are on different teams that are playoff contenders).
-You bragged about Josh not needing Diggs after you blew out JAX…then Baltimore SMOKES the Bills and starts their two-game losing streak now all of a sudden Josh needs help???? Ridiculous
-Last year, Lamar beat all other MVP candidates with the best record in the ENTIRE LEAGUE!….(while beating the 49ers, Lions, and Seahawks who were #1 before playing them).
-This year, Lamar has beaten all of the other AFC playoff teams except 1….Josh is 3-3…(Lamar is 7-3).
-Lamar played 3 games in 11 days and their margin of victory is 67 points!
Josh Allen has a division without a real team. The Steelers are a playoff team. The Bengals are trying to be a playoff team and somehow the browns have wins over the Steelers and ravens. They're in a competitive division.
🤔... Lamar Jackson is so good... He makes other players way better... plus Lamar has been doing more with less since entering the league 💯.... All this pity for Josh is BS... Lamar Jackson been looking like he's on a whole nother level period 💯💪
Lamar's been making his whole team look better and his coach.
Harbs went from solidly on the "hot seat" to (Coach of the year) in Lamar's first full season. And that after throwing the team under the bus, when it was his bad coaching that ended the chance to win a playoff game against the Titans .
I find it funny that the arguments bills fans and media are trying to mend fir Allen in not having enuff help and him doing more with less is what ravens fans have preached Lamar’s entire career and media and bills fans said “it doesn’t matter, Lamar needs to make the players better and he has more than enuff help” 😂
Weak arguments against Lamar. Lamar is the obvious MVP. They might give it to Josh Allen out of pity.
Josh finished 5th last year, please stop
4k passing .....1k rushing...while having the hardest strength of schedule.
U know that it's a cogent argument right? 😂
Lamar Jackson needs 138.3 passer rating against the browns to have the best passer rating in a season in NFL history
This is Lamar best year he has 2 mvps this is Allen worst year he has none lmao 🤣 get that shit out of here. There is no comparison Allen is the best QB/player in the league
Some analysts are putting Joe Burrow ahead of Jared Goff and Sam Darnold, Baker mayfield
The networks can hype others to generate buzz, but true football fans know the truth. Lamar Jackson isn’t just a top quarterback he’s the real MVP.
let’s be real everyone knows Lamar Jackson is the true MVP.
The NFL is a business, and TV networks collaborate to create narratives that sell their product and boost ratings. These rankings and debates are often driven by marketability rather than on-field performance. But when you look at the numbers and the impact, Lamar stands above the rest especially over Josh Allen and others.
The networks can hype others to generate buzz,
Lamar exited 5 games early because he was so dominant for 3+ quarters.
He's probably would be at 4,300 yards with about 45 TDs passing if he hadn't built such commanding leads in his
games.
Bills play in the worst division in football. They have 6 gimme wins a year. Ravens have to play the Steelers and Cincy, and the Browns have a solid defense. Allen is 3-3 against winning teams, 2-3 against playoff teams. Lamar is 7-3 against winning teams, and if the Bengals make the playoffs, he'll be 9-3 against playoff teams Media trashed these same Ravens receivers last season. Also, as much as folks love Derrick Henry the Ravens led the NFL in rushing last season with 300 more yards than the 2nd place team, they said Derrick Henry was over the hill. Now want to change the narrative.
Lamar and the ravens got to a
0-2 start turn that around to having a chance to win the division this Saturday at 4:30pm, played hardest schedule, not playing any preseason, having a terrible defense throughout most of the season, his kicker missing kicks and extra points, losing 3 offensive lineman, Mark Andrew taking most of season to get back right.
Last point yall bring up Allen beating KC but Lamar had this Dude put on the bench. Cause they was beating the breaks of the bill, if y'all wanna give so much credit to Derrick Henry make sure y'all bring up. Josh Allen was on pace to have his worst statistical season until they acquired Amari Cooper a number one wide receiver that turned the season around for the bills, for some reason y'all forget to mention that statement.
Lamar Jackson won an MVP with Hollywood Brown, Seth Roberts, Willie Snead and Miles Boykin at WR
Please stop with the narrative Allen has no weapons, Please stop yall bull stuff with that roster. That bill roster is definitely stacked, and well balanced.
Allen had 2 maybe 3 great games this year when really matter most,
One of them came with him at that, but of course let's look over that part, and also look over his worse lost that came at the hands of Lamar.
But yall bring up the lost Lamar had against Las Vegas in week two.
Not the Sunday night week 4 win were the golden boy was benched in the 3QT😂😂
I think these conversations are designed to be infuriating.
How can Lamar be the MVP when Henry is a top-2 RB in the league?
Plus the number 1 rush defence in football
The MVP plays in Western New York @@christopherhein-du1xi
@@christopherhein-du1xithey were the #1 rusj defense but was last in passing,no need to run the ball if u can just carve their secondary
@fabiolucarini102 wasn't Henry considered washed before he joined the ravens? Playing with Lamar has made it easy for him,that's exactly why Lamar is the mvp
The all 22 shows exactly why Henry is having his best year. LITERALLY ALL of the rbs that play with lamar have their best or resurgent years.
There's no rb that does poorly when playing with lamar. The all 22 shows exactly why.
Josh had way to many interceptions last year
Bro what is this show? The bash Lamar brigade??? MY GOD I hope Josh gets the sympathy mvp… this is ABSURD.
In 7 seasons since Lamar and Allen were drafted Allen has more reg season wins, more playoff wins, more passing tds, more pass yards, more rushing tds, roughly same rush per attempt and more fantasy points. It isn't particularly close. Allen is #1 in the NFL over those 7 years in wins, total touchdowns and total yards. How tf do you stat ignorant cherrypicking fools thinkin that Lamar is better lol and u saying he is 3 MVP's to 0 better than Josh, the #1 dude with all the stats the past 7 years!?? Lamar's not better at all, let alone 3 effing MVP's better. Bullshite! and I just showed you how. Lamar doing a nice job with that 1st ballot HOF running back who's havin a career year, two #1 pick wr's, a top 3 tight end, a top 5 O-line, the top rushing offense in AFC etc. Josh is throwing to Mack f*cking Hollins broh, ffs 😂😂😂 Josh got no 1k receivers, no 1k rusher. Henry has almost 2k yards wtf 😂 and u think LAMAR is more valuable??? GTFOH!!!😅😅
Josh is part of the team, Lamar is Lamar as long as his team is a threat.
James cook has 1400 total yards and 16 tds this is crazy talk
LMFAO, around 1200 yards btw. get ur facts right before u comment. derrick henry is more of a threat and other defenses have to prepare for him since hes a threat which opens up lamars passing game more. and allen had better stats last year and lamar won, but all of a sudden stats matter this year. double standards are crazy🤣
@ please look at the head to head stats again last year and then come back. Also keep in mind Lamar sat out 8 4th quarters last year. And werent the bills 6-6 and he got his OC fired. Second I notice you didn’t mention the tds. He has the most 20 yds plus tds this year. How the hell he not a threat. Now you just talking.
@@marcusfrazier20 ur just talking. allen sat out a bunch of 4th quarters this year and is about to sit out a full game next week. he sat out about 7 4th quarters and yet has better stats than lamar did last year. keep talking bud, we all know allen does more with less. and why are u saying like we didnt win out last 5 games last year and finish 11-6. allen did not get his oc fired where did u get that from? everyone knows its allen is the clear mvp
@@billslslslslslsl Yeah Allen sat out a quarter because he was benched against Lamar when they blew the bills out...something that has never happened to Lamar. And Allen Sitting out for the last game is evidence AGAINST the MVP award as a reminder how easy his schedule was and how garbage the division he plays in.
Lamar is playing in a division where 3 teams might end up with winning records and be in the playoffs, meanwhile Josh plays in a division where 3 teams have losing records with a combined total of 7 wins and are competing for top picks in the draft instead of playoff spots lol. But that has been Allen's whole career. Stat padding against garbage teams and struggling against the good ones. No matter how much you pretend it didn't happen, Josh Allen went 9/30 and has the record for the worst completion% ever in the history of the NFL. Also only beat 2 playoff teams this year and one of them had their entire defense injured. Lamar beat more playoff teams than Allen even played. If Allen wins the award, it will be known as the MVPity and be more about Lamar fatigue than being pro-josh.
@@DorkJelly he didnt get benched.... why would u wanna play if your losing by 25. Yall be saying he got benched lmfao, but he didnt. I aint reading all that btw. allen has a better record, yall started the narrative lmfao, so stfu. Allen = MVP
People all over Allen interceptions compare playoff records Josh DESTROYS him not even close
I'd also agree that baker should be talked about as well as he had backups he was throwing to a while due to Godwin and Evans hurt
If Lamar fans argue that he has better stats than Burrow should be the MVP because his are better....
If you gave it to Lamar last year with worse stats because of wins then it's gotta go to Josh this year
Exactly 💯
Ravens was 1st seed last year and Lamar was up against Brock Purdy not Josh Allen last year, this year Bills are only 2 seed while ravens are 3, not a big difference between seeding. Just wanting to give Josh the award bc Lamar already have 2 is literally the definition of Pity
🤔The difference is Lamar Jackson was the #1 seed ...last year.... Josh not the #1 seed this year.... 🤷Plus Josh wasn't even top 4 in voting last year 🎯.... Plus Josh had 18 interceptions last year 🎯... That's not a qualifying 💯 shameful pity for Josh is embarrassing
Josh had a astonishing amount of turnovers. So much so, that the committee didn't see allen as top mvp candidate.
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Participation 🏆
Allen 40 plus tds in 5 consecutive seasons,set a record against the rams with 3 rushing and 3 passing,a record held since 1954? And then Allen single handily beating kc and detroit.yeah he is the MVP
No..
He's not !
90% of his rushing yds are a 1 yard or less maybe handing it off to your running back instead tryna make Josh Allen some superhero that he’s not
Interceptions matter immensely. Allen finished 5th in MVP voting last year. He wasnt even mentioned as a serious contender. Stop this blasphamy😂
U stop spamming us you're on our show dude. In 2023 Allen had a better touchdown to turnover margin and better turnover worthy play percentage according to Pro Football Focus. Just stop and then foh straight out the door 🚪 💯
Josh has 8 turnovers guys and Lamar has 9. Even if the have 12 turnovers each I'll still say they're both incredible, but don't just post anything. Where's the integrity.
Lamar didn’t have 28 interceptions last year and Lamar helped his team beat some of the heat teams in the league . Lamar and the Ravens destroyed the Bills and is important to the Ravens because without him they don’t win like they have this year . Some guys the Kicker costed the Ravens games . Lamar extends plays and passes the eye test and has the stats to back it up . This is just an Anti Lamar channel and you have one boot lick on the screen and three people at the table who I suspect are Anti Black.
Allen will get the pity mvp award hahaha ....allen scored no points against the ravens and then put up a stinker against the texans. Yall saying allen should've won it last season but will not mention his 22 turnovers and oh yeah he had more significant "weapons"
Lamar lost to a 1 win browns team a 2 win raiders team then couldn't beat playoff teams like KC the eagles and Steelers earlier in the season and ravens beat the bills off of Henry having over 200 yards rushing Lamar didn't do much in that game Lamar was the one that got the charity MVP last season when he wasn't MVP his numbers said he wasn't Lamar got it based on record same as Allen will only difference is Allen. Had high light plays this season and Lamar was average nothing stood out last season for Lamar you are an idiot you are literally criticizing Josh for doing the same thing lamar did vs the teams I named get facts
Both have been in the league for seven years. Lamar has won the MVP twice & only has two playoff wins while Allen has five playoff wins as well as five consecutive division titles. Also five years of 40+ touchdowns. With less around him Allen is the clear MVP. Not to downplay Lamar’s year but he has more weapons around him. If you give Lamar a third MVP in his seven years with only two playoff wins on his record it would not make much sense. Does Lamar deserve to be up with the other three MVP winners? Jim Brown, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, & Aaron Rodgers? Does he deserve that company in just seven years in the league with two playoff wins?
Yes, because people also don’t account his 2 first round byes which he could easily stat his pads
He absolutely deserves it you dummy. MVP isn't based on sympathy nor is it a lifetime achievement award. If Allen wants to win he'll have to outperform the competition.
This is not the lifetime in a shltty division achievement award !
@@tyleraguon9995no way he deserves it dude. Lamar doesn't even have the best stats in the past 7 years. In that 7 seasons Allen is #1 in WINS, TOTAL TOUCHDOWNS AND TOTAL YARDS. Allen has more reg season wins, more playoff wins, more passing tds, more pass yards, more rushing tds, roughly same rush per attempt and more fantasy points than Lamar. How over that same period is Lamar freakin Jackson, who isn't even #2 on those stats to Allen's #1 status, 3 freakin MVP's better!? There is NO f*cking way broh. Kindly FOH. Thanks for playing stupid commenter. You win!
Deserve ? WTF are you talking about ?
Watch him play ! Lamar's constantly getting complimented (during game play) by opposition D-linemen and edge rushers, who just can't get to him !
Context is key. And what I see is people like these never put things into proper context.
Lamar having lower numbers last years was because he sat out a lot of the 4th quarter because of the manhandling.
And Lamar got the love last year because they beat up on so many playoff type teams in the process.
Ravens beat 10 teams with winning records. The Bills this year beat 10 teams with losing records.
Make it make sense!
Cherrypicking fool😂
Thats right, context matters. There's a reason he got 49/50 MVP votes.
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Barkley over both if you break a 40-year-old record in a similar amount of attempts amount it needs to go to him. Plus he'd be getting close to TD record if he had any other qb
Yall the same goofballs on here that said bills would beat the ravens. Josh had a ton of interceptions last year that's why he didn't win stop playing crazy
Allen didn't have better stats last season. Look again. Pretty even on stats. Much better on field control and crunch time.
This guys a joke. Says they got Henry, and got worse. Omitted that their offensive line coach died right before the season. They lost their DC to another team, as well as 3 other top coaches. Just left all of that out. Hilarious.
Get a plate under that floor burger
Go look at 2020 stats of Josh vs Lamar and Lamar won mvp that year. Allen had 5,000 yards passing 37 TD 10 int Lamar 3,000 27 TD 9 int lmao. It’s a narrative award 🥇. Josh is MVp get over it
Why didn’t the broncos just go for 2 at end of regulation? Oh right a tie gets them into the playoffs. Dumb
Jared Goff
Yeah these guys are horrible. So many misses.
JA17 for MVP. Disagree KC wants Bengals in hoping that Cincy can beat the Bills.
bo football knowledge here whatsoever lol just vibes
Josh Allen earned MVP! Anyone else and it would show bias. Especially if it’s Lamar. Dude lost to the two worst teams in the league
Nope
allen has 1 less turnover lol. I do think the TO stat should be used to compare the 2 but if you change it to justify against other QBs, its less impressive
Lamar leaxes rhe eavens they still are a playoff team josh leaves the bills they got a losibg record and are a bad team
Are you for real? Did you not look at the Bills schedule?