Ignorant Hammer lost quickdraw snap :( My main weapons are: DMT, TLW, Lumina, Thorn, Hawkmoon, Rose, and Igneous. Chunk damage into cleanup is the winning formula of FPS games rn
Good point, didn't really consider the loss in swap abilities. Was mainly focused on dueling Looking forward to the half-grapple press video 😁 better come with File Select music
Its model is incredibly clean, visually-pleasant, has good sights Its SFX are distinctive and fit the gun perfectly Its stat package is excellent no matter how you choose to distribute it, and its perk pool (especially the old one, jury’s out on the new one until people get and use the new one more) is stacked I think it is genuinely the most perfect legendary gun ever made for PvP usage
I had been using 140s because the reload speed made them feel so much better, but this makes it absolutely clear why I should Get Good with a 120. Thanks jazz!
This has to be one of the best destiny videos made well put together and nothing better than hearing about weapon reviews from people who main that weapon
Definitely man im dead serious I would say a good follow up video would be a tips video talking about how u personally use the gun and handle situations for the people who just now are using 120s (such as myself) if u haven’t already made a video like this
I love your breakdown on why you prefer 120s. I haven’t heard this side of the story before. I can’t wait for igneous to come back after this crafted weapon glitch ends.
Yeah that's a good alternative to keep away. I just the bonus to 5% bonus to accuracy and boost to reload speed are a bit more useful than the extra 10 range in fragile focus
@@gravity-arbor Well I think the idea is that eye of the storm compensates for what you lose in fragile focus. Definitely depends on the range you're at though
As a destiny HC Shotgun vet since D1 vanilla...this video is amazing. Instant sub. How have I not seen your content before?! All your points especially punching down are very valid
You clearly put a lot of time gathering info for this one, and it’s delivered in a way that is concise and super entertaining. Appreciate your hard work and hoping for more 🙏
Hey mate, I don’t typically comment on videos but the production quality of this was phenomenal. Loved the music, the explanation and the gameplay. Very well done, thanks for the amazing review.
Just going to piggy back off of this as I was coming to say the same thing... Top quality, earned a sub and I'm going to check out your other videos now 👌
Sweet video. Clean and to the point. I've used 120s A LOT. Cutting my teeth on Sturm in year 1. Its good to see some of the instinctive reasons why I tended to gravitate towards them being explicitly listed. Its funny because I typically don't gravitate to "slow and big damage" in most games/FPSes except for Destiny. The importance of maximizing damage output while minimizing damage received along with general consistency is what kept me using them. A 120 on a team with 140s can really put in some work with team shots. Sturm (with Catalyst) has a stat line that is quite silly but Igneous is far more modular and does not gobble up your exotic slot. I wasn't really big on Igneous when it first was introduced ( I had OK rolls if I recall) but In this second coming I've really taken a shine to it.
@Endless10ppp I had a much harder time going flawless with this glitch. I was still able to get it done but it's a lot harder when rounds can be won so randomly
it’s actually more balanced now then ever before. quickest flawless i’ve ever ran. just gotta learn the play style. shotgun hand cannon is the way to go. trust me this is more balanced than if it were normal
ran into you in altars of summoning today, had to stop by again to say your vids help out a lot. I always rewatch the map opening videos to brush up before playing trials. and the new video style is great.
Yeah man I appreciate you reaching out again, it's great running into people in game that have seen my stuff 😁Glad you think so! Hoping to get some more map openings out soon
Added you on Bungie, great vid covering an iconic weapon, I never got an original adept this was my first on I had a regular roll with Quickdraw and snap which has held me over but finally having an adept with a decent roll hits different!
I love when people stick to a weapon for a long time. Made me wish I didn't stop using Piece of Mind, I LOVED using that in PVP (love the sound too). Being the "Igneous guy" is a cool badge to wear.
Thanks for saying that, I really like that perspective 😊 kinda makes me sad about getting a new roll on my igneous, the tracker on my current one is somewhere around 17k
@@jazzinyourfaces I have a long way to go LOL. I think 600ish is like the highest I have on any particular weapon but I'm also not much of a PVP guy for the most part.
Thanks! If you can, I'd try for another one with something other than rampage. It doesn't as much now that it can't 2 tap as easily, and other perks in that column can make the gun feel even better
Great video! I’m too old to be a great player anymore, so struggle to get flawless. Got carried and fortunate enough to get a godroll Immortal, and as a result of the glitch this week I actually ended up getting flawless here too for a second time ever! I managed to snatch an envious roll of this weapon: Fluted, Ricochet, K.A, EoTS, Range MW, adept. My PvP friends hate me for getting it!
The best Igneous adept roll I got this weekend was encore/eye of the storm. It’s not the best roll ever but the thing that makes the gun so good for me is how smooth it feels on controller. I still have my old one with quickdraw/snapshot that I fell in love with. I hate using 120s but Igneous is the exception. While I would’ve preferred keep away or rapid hit, encore is still pretty nice for that range and stability boost after the first kill and EotS is just the icing on the cake.
I've actually never used a weapon with encore on it. I've gotten a few to drop with it so I'll give it a try after the glitch is fixed. I think that original one you have is great tho Glad you're liking it on controller!
@@jazzinyourfacesyeah, encore is better now after the buff. You get +5 range and +8 stability with each stack. Headshot final blows give you double stacks so you’d have +10 range and +16 stability after the first headshot kill. The buff lasts 7 seconds and can be refreshed after every kill. Pretty nice, isn’t it?
I have a smallbore, ricochet rounds, fragile focus, moving target with a stability masterwork, and it’s honestly the best feeling weapon I’ve used in a while. I have 100 range with fragile and 70 stability with a stability mod, it just feels so consistent and crisp. Keep away would be nice but I think this will be the roll I stick with!
Your video’s are what got me into 120s, and your guides helped me get my first ever flawlesses, so thank you! Another great video here, very insightful. Good luck getting your god rolls too!
good and fun analysis! i just went into trials this past weekend to get a new adept and i got hammer/ricochet/keep away/moving target/range MW! i wanted a little more handling bc i want to use adept icarus, but holy shit i love this gun! it’s absolutely worth the grind
I've been running Igneous since Season of the chosen and It's by far my favorite PvP Hand cannon. The roll I've been rocking is: Fluted, Light mag, Quickdraw and Celerity. (Handling MW) and Adept +10 range mod. So the stats end up being. 83 Range 43 Stability 82 Handling 63 Reload This roll has been the literal backbone of my PvP loadout. The reason I still value Quickdraw is because it makes it incredible for finishing someone off in case you hit a body shot with an Aggressive sniper and the remaining 82 handling just makes it feel snappy without having to switch it in. as for Light mag I just value reload a lot and since its both reload and range it just suited my taste perfectly.
Yup that's great for swapping! I used to have a roll just like that, but when cleaning my vault, i decided to stick with the rapid hit/moving target combo
What a great to the point video! Yeah! I love this hc, and I have been honestly struggling in this meta. I went flawless today and got two 4,5 out of 5 rolls. And yeah… I am enjoying them soo much. Really brought the joy in pvp back and the igneous seem to fit my plat style.
Igneous is so good I had to come back to this video to write this comment, I fell in love with this weapon and my roll , I can actually win 1v1s, 1v2s, peak shot more effectively bc of the slower rpm. I’m on console and I’ve never used a HC this much or been this affective at it
I got 2 adepts yesterday. Rapid moving targ and slickdraw eye of the storm which synergizes really well and feels absolutely insane. Felt like I had ophids on my titan
I got an encore opening shot roll on an adept version and I absolutely love how it feels on controller, my personal god roll would be encore eye of the storm, but having that extra range and accuracy on the 1st shot of every fight pretty much is nothing to complain about lol
@@jazzinyourfaces I think it's just because it's relatively easy to get a stack going, you don't need to do anything special it's literally just shoot the gun get a kill and play the game lmao, the extra stack as well for getting a precision kill is really nice and on controller at least is very very noticeable, I also think I like it a lot with opening shot cuz you're getting a +35 range bonus after 1 precision kill which can catch a hell of a lot of players out
Hey man idk if you will see this comment but i gave you a follow. Just found you! I love my igneous adept with rapid hit celerity! Ive shared so many of your videos with my new friends that want to pvp that way they understand maps better and positioning! Im glad i found you bro
Hey thanks so much, I really appreciate you sharing em. I try to make these videos as helpful as possible😁 Hopefully I'm able to put out some more map content for ya. And that's a great roll!
Been using my old hammer with quick draw/ celerity or rapid/ celerity and figured I didn’t need the new igneous. Boy I was wrong! I got me a keep away/ EOS roll this weekend and my god , I vaulted the old ones so fast! Best feeling HC ived used in a long time. Btw you just got a new sub
you may have mentioned this and I missed it, but one of the most significant benefits of 120s when playing at a high skill bracket is facilitating team shot kills. If you’re playing with a coordinated team one or two 120 body shots could be enough to completely swing a round in your team’s favor.
I’ve been an avid user of 120s and felt they had potential back when they were 110s. I have collected every 120 I can based on how unique they are perk potential wise. Despite not being able to get a feel for Igneous despite how much of a monster it is on paper it has my respect nonetheless. My loyalty still probably lies with Bottom Dollar in the energy and Steady Hand in my Kinetic…
I was a huge fan of 110s too! I remember pairing them with the arc titan perk that gave a damage buff when sliding over ammo bricks and getting easy 2 taps I know a lot of other people that stick to Bottom Dollar too. The explosive rounds on it really makes it punch
Yeah fair enough, I used celerity for a while. Have you tried taking it off since? I thought I wouldn't be able to go without it but its honestly not bad
Ive been rocking encore and moving target on my main igneus, feels great sitting at 90 range and 100 about 80% of the time with encore. If i had the adept, more handling or stability for the adept mod but its so good i personally think it doesnt need it.
What would you say is better? (All adept) 1. Full bore, Rapid hit, flared, eye of the storm with range MW 2. Full bore, flared, keep away, moving target, handling MW 3. Small bore, extended mag, rapid hit, moving target, reload MW
That 3rd one is the one I've been using for years so I can definitely vouch for how solid it is, but the second should be really nice too. Is there something you can use other than full bore? I don't like perks with negative stata
@@jazzinyourfaces the keep away moving target has corkscrew as a option as well, i just think it brings down the range 10-15 ish points, I also have a old adept that has rapid hit, ricochet, range MW & celerity w full bore
Hey Jazz. Thanks for explaining why 120s are can hang in this current sandbox and show me why Igneous Hammer is the best outta the family. I might try it out because I did reach 100 kills with one I found in the Vault and it felt really good to use in Crucible. As I am typing this the DDOSING is still active which is pushing me away, but when it's gone I might take Igneous for a spin once again. And for Trials, I might hit you up in case I want to do them but do not expect much out of me.
Great Video and have to agree with you about the Igneous Hammer being so good. Have got a few including 5 Adept. The 2 recent Adept Rolls I got were RF and frenzy or Incandescent with a handling MW and Fragile Focus and Golden Tricorn with a Reload Speed MW. Not the Best. The Igneous I use the most has Rapid Hit and Opening Shot with a Range MW. Keep up the Great Work.
Love the video and how informative it was!! The god roll you have is the one i got from my very 1st win in trials! It definitely feels so smooth to use, now to wait for the crafting glitch to go away 😂
Got lucky I played this morning before everybody was running glitched guns and managed to pick up an adept with smallbore, flared magwell, encore and eots with a stability masterwork. First quickplay game using it I get a we ran. When encore procs and gets those stacks its super nasty.
Beautiful roll! Yeah, because I was finishing up this, I had to slog through a card with the glitches. Most miserable card of my life lol, but I got it thankfully
@@jazzinyourfaces yeah its bad. I was going to farm just to see if I could get a roll with ricochet rounds and looked in fireteam finder and everybody was asking people to run it. Either Bungie had this planned out to run like scorched or alot of people are going to get banned. Every time a gun with high anticipation drops there is always an issue. With Exalted Truth it was the infinite passage turn in, with immortal it was the easy adept farm and with this its Trials: scorched. Glad you picked up an adept though, especially with the glitch hell that is Trials today. 👍
It's super weird b/c "I only need two crits" was my justification for running 120s over 140s when I was super new at the game and was looking kind of askance at guns like Ace of Spades, even though that was the most popular gun at the time. I got off Igneous and DMT for Cantata, then off hand cannons entirely when AE was new and much harsher, and now things have come full circle where I want to play 120s again and I'm using that old Igneous from way back then (QD/Snap is the only old one I kept, which is a huge regret haha) I just wish I could hit the broad side of a barn with Sturm. On paper it's soooo good, but either the model is wonky to me or that slightly lower AA is more important than I realized.
Sturm with the black ornament “Dream of a New World” or original ornament “Symbiosis” both improve the model & sights for me I think the black one is the cleanest but used Symbiosis for a long time, it’s my favorite kinetic 120
Yeah it definitely sounds like something that's just beginner friendly, but after going back and forth between 140s and 120s for a while, I realized I just performed better when I didn't need to be perfect all the time
That's a great one too. When you get a chance, I'd hop into trials and go for a regular drop of Igneous, just so you can compare and see which one you like most
Hey Jazz, since trials is no longer available to f2p players what 120’s would you recommend instead? Sturm and Malediction seem like the only decent options rn but maybe there’s some sleeper pick I’m missing
@@jazzinyourfaces oh nice! I actually have a rapid hit/eye of the storm bottom dollar that I’ve been using, feels pretty great to handle. I’ll have to keep an eye out for other 120s to see if any of them are good too
Could you do a video on how to counter supers when you yourself or your team doesn't have one? And the best actions to take to give yourself the best chance at winning. I'm not sure how much substance this idea has for a video, but I wanted to hear your opinion on it? Thanks again for another awesome video man.
Hm yeah I'd have to really think about that one. Nothing comes to mind and I'd want to make sure I have something good to say in a video. But thanks for the suggestion!
@@popasaurusrexrex7019 Yeah I got a few good rolls! One that almost copies the god roll I had from before, but now with alacrity so I'm happy. Still no good keep away one unfortunately
@jazzinyourfaces You're gonna be a demon with that weapon man. I managed to snag one with Keep Away, Eye of The Storm and Another with Rangefinder, Moving Target, and an interesting one for sixes with Rapid Hit, Golden Tricorn.
I got RapidHit/Opening but I think I want a KeepAway/MovingTarget. I recently became a huge fan of Moving Target, I had a “god roll” Messenger with RapidHit/Headseeker and although I enjoyed it… I gave MovingTarget/Headseeker and try and it immediately became my favorite roll. Same thing happened with my Eye of Sol, I always used my Snapshot/OpeningShot roll because it was the “god roll” but after pulling out a vaulted Snapshot/MovingTarget roll I made that my main. I underestimated the aim assist of Moving Target
I’ve come to realize I straight up like igneous more than just about every 140 expect hawkmoon. A gun is more than just its stats it’s about how it feels and a lot of times I can never explain what’s giving it that feeling because it could had average or below average stats and still feel "right" or be a stat monster and I still won’t like it. Igneous has both high stats and feels amazing to me. One thing I’ve noticed with igneous is that the red dot stays visible even at the peak of its recoil which one might not notice unless paying attention but it helps a lot in fights.
My drops on the past all sucked, so I just kept one with high-cal, encore and elemental cap. Largely because it had the lighthouse shader, which you couldn’t obtain any other way, but it turns out to be a nice combination for anything voidy. Still love my True Proph with OS and Explo, that thing was a beast in the 120 meta. First primary for habe over 1000 PvP kills for me.
i have only been investing time in pvp since lightfall. Everyone told me to use 140s and i am terrible with them. I had started with a 120 but listened to other people. Back to 120s to practice. I won’t be able to get an igneous for a bit though
I was able to get these two bests for PVP. Which if the 2 would you main? Please let me know anyone!! Thanks 1.fluted/ polygon Ricochet/extended Range finder Eye of the storm/ precision instrument Handling MW 2. Small bore/ extended Flared mag/ appended Rapid hit Precision instrument/ opening shot Handling MW
Hmm that's tough to say. I'm not really a fan of rangefinder, especially on 120s that already have a ton of range. So I'd say the second one. Smallbore, extended, rapid hit, and opening shot
Thats crazy I just got on Yt and seen this video in my recommended after getting a adept and subscribed my roll is hammer forged/fluted high caliber/appended mag keep away moving target/eots stability mw 🔥🔥🔥
While I generally think 140 hand cannons are underrated by a lot of people, I cannot deny that 120s are sooooo goood, tried out igneous hammer this week and I was so wrong about bad it was, it's one of my new favorite weapons and am hoping to get the new version of it.
I'm a huge fan of riiswalker for shotgun and eye of sol for sniper, but other great ones are imperial decree, fractethyst, wastelander, and conditional finality, and thoughtless for sniper
@@jazzinyourfaces Thanks, have been using Round Robin whenever I use 120s since I don’t yet have a Kept Confidence (S22 craftable) to try, so it looks like I was already thinking the same. Oh, and the ritual weapon is called “Malediction”.
Appreciate it 😊 I've been putting this script together for weeks, which is a lot more than the hour or two it takes to put the openings script together
@@jazzinyourfaces the stat boost is great, but the reload is the real winner there. The 0 reload speed isn't an issue when you never have to reload lol
Ony 120 that can keep up with igneous is the round robin when its crafted. That thing is a stat monster and with the artifact mods its always stable AF and those nano rockets are insane. Round robin with matador and ohpidians is my go to for trials. Sadly the bubble titans with PKs and immortals make it worst which is a damn shame.
What about a keep away and moving target roll? I'm saying because that's what i got, the extra strafe speed is feels really good on a 120. I guess you already have it with rapid hit so why bother but just wanted to know your opinion.
Yeah any combination of the 4 perks that I mentioned would be fantastic. I just paired those two together because they're new, and didn't want to repeat myself with perks. There's no specific interactions between any of the 4
Hmm, it's tough between Round Robin and Malediction. Round Robin is fantastic and can be customized to whatever you want, and Malediction has great stats and comes with kill clip I'd probably go for Round Robin. It feels really really nice
just to make sure you dont have them mixed up round robin is the one that can get kill clip male is the on thats got EP would you still say its round robin? asking becasue ive been jumping between the 2 mela has the perk that gives it handling on hit but round robin has better consistency perks so vie been have a hard time deciding @@jazzinyourfaces
Stubbornness! I just really really like lightweights, I think they're snappy and I enjoy the boost to sprint speed that they give I do have a really good fractethyst and astral horizon, but still prefer riiswalker just out of preference
Nice video man. If I have time, I would love to play a few games this weekend. It's been rough with the Ammit bug but I managed to get flawless with some serious luck.
Just out of interest, what is your view on the new Warden's Law? I am a big fan of it (usually am a 120 user), and even as a fan in my view it has nothing on something like Igneous. The point you made about 140 vs 120 resulting in a trade rings even more true with Warden's. But just curious if you have some thoughts?
Haven't been able to give warden's law a try yet! Been busy putting this video together then grinding out adept igneous for the last few weekends. I've heard that it's much better on controller than mouse, which is similar to crimson
@@jazzinyourfaces Would seem so considering the feedback coming from PC players in the community (as well as my friends who use M&K). I play on controller and it does feel good there. Hope you get the chance to try it out at some point, not sure if Zen Moment is the play on M&K but on controller it definitely made a world of difference. I hated my Kill Clip roll and fell in love with a Zen Moment roll. And have to say this was an amazing video (good call to post on Reddit, found you that way!)
Yeah, fragile focus and opening shot are overkill. I'd go for keep away instead, and then either moving target or eye of the storm in the last column I've been rocking one without any range perks for years now and it hasn't been an issue
@@jazzinyourfaces both my adept igneous' are both fragile focus opening shot lol and I don't wanna go into the hell hole again cause of all the insta kill auto rifles
Ignorant Hammer lost quickdraw snap :(
My main weapons are: DMT, TLW, Lumina, Thorn, Hawkmoon, Rose, and Igneous.
Chunk damage into cleanup is the winning formula of FPS games rn
Good point, didn't really consider the loss in swap abilities. Was mainly focused on dueling
Looking forward to the half-grapple press video 😁 better come with File Select music
My old Iggy has 80 range and handling. I don’t know why I’ve been grinding for a new one bc I probably won’t use it -_-
Good thing eye of the storm gives 30 handling
You're my number 1 cammy!
Yeah, it’s a bummer. I still want to try slickdraw,
What an utterly fantastic, well made video. Glad this showed up on my feed. Well done, great points and presentation
Hey, thanks so much Nomad! 😁 means a lot coming from you
Its model is incredibly clean, visually-pleasant, has good sights
Its SFX are distinctive and fit the gun perfectly
Its stat package is excellent no matter how you choose to distribute it, and its perk pool (especially the old one, jury’s out on the new one until people get and use the new one more) is stacked
I think it is genuinely the most perfect legendary gun ever made for PvP usage
Exactly how I feel, it has so much going for it
Keep away is one of my favorite perks since the RF nerf, super excited that i can get it on igneous
I had been using 140s because the reload speed made them feel so much better, but this makes it absolutely clear why I should Get Good with a 120. Thanks jazz!
eyy no worries, good luck with the 120s man :)
Yeah if you like a snappy reload an Igneous with Rapid Hit is what you want, it feels like a 140 reload
That or Keep Away
Also, I have Ig Hamm with Keep Away and the reload is about the same as a 140 (better with solar loaders).
This has to be one of the best destiny videos made well put together and nothing better than hearing about weapon reviews from people who main that weapon
Thanks! I tried to be as authentic as possible with this one
Definitely man im dead serious I would say a good follow up video would be a tips video talking about how u personally use the gun and handle situations for the people who just now are using 120s (such as myself) if u haven’t already made a video like this
I love your breakdown on why you prefer 120s. I haven’t heard this side of the story before. I can’t wait for igneous to come back after this crafted weapon glitch ends.
Thank you! It was a challenge putting all my feelings down in a concise way so I'm glad that people are being receptive to it
I think the fragile focus eye of storm roll is the perfect yin Yang synergy to guarantee you’ll always have a perk active
Yeah that's a good alternative to keep away. I just the bonus to 5% bonus to accuracy and boost to reload speed are a bit more useful than the extra 10 range in fragile focus
i wish i got a Keep away roll but i ended up getting fragile opening oh well i give up on farming one
@@jazzinyourfaces
I personally don't like how it means the gun feels completely different from pre-engagement, to in-the-fight.
@@gravity-arbor Well I think the idea is that eye of the storm compensates for what you lose in fragile focus. Definitely depends on the range you're at though
Love the way you made the video. Short, engaging and efective. Props
I'm happy that came through, thank you :)
As a destiny HC Shotgun vet since D1 vanilla...this video is amazing. Instant sub. How have I not seen your content before?!
All your points especially punching down are very valid
Thanks so much 😊
You clearly put a lot of time gathering info for this one, and it’s delivered in a way that is concise and super entertaining. Appreciate your hard work and hoping for more 🙏
I appreciate that!
Hey mate, I don’t typically comment on videos but the production quality of this was phenomenal. Loved the music, the explanation and the gameplay. Very well done, thanks for the amazing review.
Hey thanks so much, I appreciate it! ♥
Just going to piggy back off of this as I was coming to say the same thing... Top quality, earned a sub and I'm going to check out your other videos now 👌
Sweet video. Clean and to the point. I've used 120s A LOT. Cutting my teeth on Sturm in year 1. Its good to see some of the instinctive reasons why I tended to gravitate towards them being explicitly listed. Its funny because I typically don't gravitate to "slow and big damage" in most games/FPSes except for Destiny. The importance of maximizing damage output while minimizing damage received along with general consistency is what kept me using them. A 120 on a team with 140s can really put in some work with team shots.
Sturm (with Catalyst) has a stat line that is quite silly but Igneous is far more modular and does not gobble up your exotic slot. I wasn't really big on Igneous when it first was introduced ( I had OK rolls if I recall) but In this second coming I've really taken a shine to it.
Thanks man! Yeah I don't know what it is, Sturm is great but even with the stats doesn't hit like Igneous to me
typical that the weekend you can get adept igneus there's people going round with full auto shotgun ammit oneshotting people :(
yup great timing eh
@Endless10ppp I had a much harder time going flawless with this glitch. I was still able to get it done but it's a lot harder when rounds can be won so randomly
Ya I'm not playing until they fix the glitch lol
it’s actually more balanced now then ever before. quickest flawless i’ve ever ran. just gotta learn the play style. shotgun hand cannon is the way to go. trust me this is more balanced than if it were
normal
@@godzerk7711 isn't shotgun handcannon quite difficult to make?
ran into you in altars of summoning today, had to stop by again to say your vids help out a lot. I always rewatch the map opening videos to brush up before playing trials. and the new video style is great.
Yeah man I appreciate you reaching out again, it's great running into people in game that have seen my stuff 😁Glad you think so! Hoping to get some more map openings out soon
You made to try it out again... and im loving it, such a fun weapon! On the other hand the prodcution on this video is on a another level! Keep it up!
Thank you so much, glad I was convincing haha
Added you on Bungie, great vid covering an iconic weapon, I never got an original adept this was my first on I had a regular roll with Quickdraw and snap which has held me over but finally having an adept with a decent roll hits different!
thanks!! and congrats on the new adepy, I'm sure it will treat you well
I love when people stick to a weapon for a long time. Made me wish I didn't stop using Piece of Mind, I LOVED using that in PVP (love the sound too). Being the "Igneous guy" is a cool badge to wear.
Thanks for saying that, I really like that perspective 😊 kinda makes me sad about getting a new roll on my igneous, the tracker on my current one is somewhere around 17k
@@jazzinyourfaces I have a long way to go LOL. I think 600ish is like the highest I have on any particular weapon but I'm also not much of a PVP guy for the most part.
@@irunthepeg yeah man that's still a solid amount for not playing too much PvP
I thought the 4k on my igneous was crazy! GG! Great video.
Oh I was expecting this... Lol, great vid
I had to 🤠 thanks!!
I got a rapid hit rampage one from seasonal challenge reward a couple years ago. I love it so much. Never been a kill clip enjoyer. Awesome vid
Thanks! If you can, I'd try for another one with something other than rampage. It doesn't as much now that it can't 2 tap as easily, and other perks in that column can make the gun feel even better
This explains why my rapid hit + disruption break bottom dollar feels so good in 3’s.
Great video! I’m too old to be a great player anymore, so struggle to get flawless. Got carried and fortunate enough to get a godroll Immortal, and as a result of the glitch this week I actually ended up getting flawless here too for a second time ever! I managed to snatch an envious roll of this weapon: Fluted, Ricochet, K.A, EoTS, Range MW, adept. My PvP friends hate me for getting it!
What the hell! congrats man, that's awesome, really happy for ya 😁
That roll will bring you to many more wins I'm sure
Just got recommended your videos via a D2 clan member and wow... your incredible. Liked+sub+Commented. Look forward to watching more videos
Eyy thanks so much ♥
please i'm begging you, make another 7 minute video abt anything. this video went so hard
Haha you got it, cooking on something rn :)
The editing in this video-oh my!
Ty ty, it's the most amount of time I've put into a video so far 😁
The best Igneous adept roll I got this weekend was encore/eye of the storm. It’s not the best roll ever but the thing that makes the gun so good for me is how smooth it feels on controller. I still have my old one with quickdraw/snapshot that I fell in love with. I hate using 120s but Igneous is the exception. While I would’ve preferred keep away or rapid hit, encore is still pretty nice for that range and stability boost after the first kill and EotS is just the icing on the cake.
I've actually never used a weapon with encore on it. I've gotten a few to drop with it so I'll give it a try after the glitch is fixed. I think that original one you have is great tho
Glad you're liking it on controller!
@@jazzinyourfacesyeah, encore is better now after the buff. You get +5 range and +8 stability with each stack. Headshot final blows give you double stacks so you’d have +10 range and +16 stability after the first headshot kill. The buff lasts 7 seconds and can be refreshed after every kill. Pretty nice, isn’t it?
I have a smallbore, ricochet rounds, fragile focus, moving target with a stability masterwork, and it’s honestly the best feeling weapon I’ve used in a while. I have 100 range with fragile and 70 stability with a stability mod, it just feels so consistent and crisp. Keep away would be nice but I think this will be the roll I stick with!
Great roll man!
Your video’s are what got me into 120s, and your guides helped me get my first ever flawlesses, so thank you! Another great video here, very insightful. Good luck getting your god rolls too!
Aw that's awesome, glad you've been inspired, and thank you!
good and fun analysis! i just went into trials this past weekend to get a new adept and i got hammer/ricochet/keep away/moving target/range MW! i wanted a little more handling bc i want to use adept icarus, but holy shit i love this gun! it’s absolutely worth the grind
Your video quality is top tier. GG
Thanks so much 😊
I've been running Igneous since Season of the chosen and It's by far my favorite PvP Hand cannon.
The roll I've been rocking is:
Fluted, Light mag, Quickdraw and Celerity. (Handling MW) and Adept +10 range mod.
So the stats end up being.
83 Range
43 Stability
82 Handling
63 Reload
This roll has been the literal backbone of my PvP loadout.
The reason I still value Quickdraw is because it makes it incredible for finishing someone off in case you hit a body shot with an Aggressive sniper and the remaining 82 handling just makes it feel snappy without having to switch it in.
as for Light mag I just value reload a lot and since its both reload and range it just suited my taste perfectly.
Yup that's great for swapping! I used to have a roll just like that, but when cleaning my vault, i decided to stick with the rapid hit/moving target combo
What a great to the point video! Yeah! I love this hc, and I have been honestly struggling in this meta. I went flawless today and got two 4,5 out of 5 rolls. And yeah… I am enjoying them soo much. Really brought the joy in pvp back and the igneous seem to fit my plat style.
This guy is spitting, ttk diff between 120s and 140s is mostly irrelevant when you peek shoot
tyty 🙏 yeah peek shooting plays a huge roll in it
Igneous is so good I had to come back to this video to write this comment, I fell in love with this weapon and my roll , I can actually win 1v1s, 1v2s, peak shot more effectively bc of the slower rpm. I’m on console and I’ve never used a HC this much or been this affective at it
thats awesome man! I'm really happy for ya, its a great feeling to find something that works for you. Good luck on your iggy journey 😁
Great video! I'm going to try again after weapons go back to normal tomorrow
Thanks! Hopefully the patch comes out soon, still waiting
@@jazzinyourfaces fingers crossed!
Yours is my absolute favorite D2 content. I learn so much every time. Keep it up man and thanks for the vid!
Thank you so much ♥ I'm glad you like this different style of video
I got 2 adepts yesterday. Rapid moving targ and slickdraw eye of the storm which synergizes really well and feels absolutely insane. Felt like I had ophids on my titan
That's sick, I haven't tried out slickdraw yet so I'll keep my eye out for one
After some time with slickdraw I mostly dislike it. Have gone back to my old celerity rolls @@jazzinyourfaces
I got an encore opening shot roll on an adept version and I absolutely love how it feels on controller, my personal god roll would be encore eye of the storm, but having that extra range and accuracy on the 1st shot of every fight pretty much is nothing to complain about lol
Never tried it with encore tbh, what's the reason that you like it so much?
@@jazzinyourfaces I think it's just because it's relatively easy to get a stack going, you don't need to do anything special it's literally just shoot the gun get a kill and play the game lmao, the extra stack as well for getting a precision kill is really nice and on controller at least is very very noticeable, I also think I like it a lot with opening shot cuz you're getting a +35 range bonus after 1 precision kill which can catch a hell of a lot of players out
Hey man idk if you will see this comment but i gave you a follow. Just found you! I love my igneous adept with rapid hit celerity! Ive shared so many of your videos with my new friends that want to pvp that way they understand maps better and positioning! Im glad i found you bro
Hey thanks so much, I really appreciate you sharing em. I try to make these videos as helpful as possible😁
Hopefully I'm able to put out some more map content for ya. And that's a great roll!
Man u literally convinced me to use 120 rn u deserve that sub and like keep up the good work ❤️
Haha welcome to the club, thank you ♥
Been using my old hammer with quick draw/ celerity or rapid/ celerity and figured I didn’t need the new igneous. Boy I was wrong! I got me a keep away/ EOS roll this weekend and my god , I vaulted the old ones so fast! Best feeling HC ived used in a long time. Btw you just got a new sub
Excellent video, I'm glad I get recommended this.
Thanks so much 😁
Subbed. Never seen your content before, but glad I did today.
Thanks! Hopefully you like the Trials Openings series, that's what I mostly put out
Didn’t expect to hear toxic avenger in a review. Good review at that too
Thanks 😁 Furi is one of my favourite games and it felt fitting
you may have mentioned this and I missed it, but one of the most significant benefits of 120s when playing at a high skill bracket is facilitating team shot kills. If you’re playing with a coordinated team one or two 120 body shots could be enough to completely swing a round in your team’s favor.
Yup, I mentioned team shotting a few times, but didn't focus on it too much. You're definitely right
Your video was very nice to watch in terms of the editing and production 👌🏽👌🏽
Thanks so much 😊
I’ve been an avid user of 120s and felt they had potential back when they were 110s. I have collected every 120 I can based on how unique they are perk potential wise. Despite not being able to get a feel for Igneous despite how much of a monster it is on paper it has my respect nonetheless. My loyalty still probably lies with Bottom Dollar in the energy and Steady Hand in my Kinetic…
I was a huge fan of 110s too! I remember pairing them with the arc titan perk that gave a damage buff when sliding over ammo bricks and getting easy 2 taps
I know a lot of other people that stick to Bottom Dollar too. The explosive rounds on it really makes it punch
Ya we might have a situation with getting Into trials this week
😬worst card of my life
Mine with celerity is my baby. Never getting rid of it, even with the new perks i don't think i will not use my old roll over newer ones.
Yeah fair enough, I used celerity for a while. Have you tried taking it off since? I thought I wouldn't be able to go without it but its honestly not bad
Ive been rocking encore and moving target on my main igneus, feels great sitting at 90 range and 100 about 80% of the time with encore. If i had the adept, more handling or stability for the adept mod but its so good i personally think it doesnt need it.
Hope it comes back soon! I got some decent rolls but still want Keep Way opening shot
Yeah hopefully!
What would you say is better? (All adept)
1. Full bore, Rapid hit, flared, eye of the storm with range MW
2. Full bore, flared, keep away, moving target, handling MW
3. Small bore, extended mag, rapid hit, moving target, reload MW
That 3rd one is the one I've been using for years so I can definitely vouch for how solid it is, but the second should be really nice too. Is there something you can use other than full bore? I don't like perks with negative stata
@@jazzinyourfaces the keep away moving target has corkscrew as a option as well, i just think it brings down the range 10-15 ish points, I also have a old adept that has rapid hit, ricochet, range MW & celerity w full bore
@@kingxavier8998 yeah I'd go with corkscrew. don't worry about a little less range, all the other bonuses make up for it
@@jazzinyourfaces bet thanks man. It’s a bummer I couldn’t get eye of the storm with keep away. Got like 40 guns as well 😭😭
I just got igneous last week and it's dramatically improved PvP for me.
really good video. well structured and concise.
appreciate it 😊
Thanks for posting this.
Adding you!
No prob 😁 and dope!
Hey Jazz. Thanks for explaining why 120s are can hang in this current sandbox and show me why Igneous Hammer is the best outta the family. I might try it out because I did reach 100 kills with one I found in the Vault and it felt really good to use in Crucible. As I am typing this the DDOSING is still active which is pushing me away, but when it's gone I might take Igneous for a spin once again. And for Trials, I might hit you up in case I want to do them but do not expect much out of me.
Yeah I've been trying to get into lobbies for hours, nothing. Hopefully you're able to grab another one!
And yeah for sure, hit me up whenever
Great Video and have to agree with you about the Igneous Hammer being so good. Have got a few including 5 Adept. The 2 recent Adept Rolls I got were RF and frenzy or Incandescent with a handling MW and Fragile Focus and Golden Tricorn with a Reload Speed MW. Not the Best. The Igneous I use the most has Rapid Hit and Opening Shot with a Range MW. Keep up the Great Work.
i want that rapid hit+os roll -_-
Love the video and how informative it was!! The god roll you have is the one i got from my very 1st win in trials! It definitely feels so smooth to use, now to wait for the crafting glitch to go away 😂
Eyyy that's a lucky drop! Yeah I can't wait, it's been a real pain
just completed trials this weekend and managed to get a fragile focus eye of the storm and it feels really strong and good to use would recommend
Yeah fragile focus is a very close contender with keep away, good roll!
Banger video my dude
Appreciate it!
Got lucky I played this morning before everybody was running glitched guns and managed to pick up an adept with smallbore, flared magwell, encore and eots with a stability masterwork. First quickplay game using it I get a we ran. When encore procs and gets those stacks its super nasty.
Beautiful roll! Yeah, because I was finishing up this, I had to slog through a card with the glitches. Most miserable card of my life lol, but I got it thankfully
@@jazzinyourfaces yeah its bad. I was going to farm just to see if I could get a roll with ricochet rounds and looked in fireteam finder and everybody was asking people to run it. Either Bungie had this planned out to run like scorched or alot of people are going to get banned. Every time a gun with high anticipation drops there is always an issue. With Exalted Truth it was the infinite passage turn in, with immortal it was the easy adept farm and with this its Trials: scorched. Glad you picked up an adept though, especially with the glitch hell that is Trials today. 👍
You always have top tier videos, nice work man
Thanks so much!
It's super weird b/c "I only need two crits" was my justification for running 120s over 140s when I was super new at the game and was looking kind of askance at guns like Ace of Spades, even though that was the most popular gun at the time. I got off Igneous and DMT for Cantata, then off hand cannons entirely when AE was new and much harsher, and now things have come full circle where I want to play 120s again and I'm using that old Igneous from way back then (QD/Snap is the only old one I kept, which is a huge regret haha)
I just wish I could hit the broad side of a barn with Sturm. On paper it's soooo good, but either the model is wonky to me or that slightly lower AA is more important than I realized.
Sturm with the black ornament “Dream of a New World” or original ornament “Symbiosis” both improve the model & sights for me
I think the black one is the cleanest but used Symbiosis for a long time, it’s my favorite kinetic 120
Yeah it definitely sounds like something that's just beginner friendly, but after going back and forth between 140s and 120s for a while, I realized I just performed better when I didn't need to be perfect all the time
I don't have an Igneus Hammer yet, but i've been using Malediction quite a bit and it's been feeling pretty fantastic for me.
That's a great one too. When you get a chance, I'd hop into trials and go for a regular drop of Igneous, just so you can compare and see which one you like most
Hey Jazz, since trials is no longer available to f2p players what 120’s would you recommend instead? Sturm and Malediction seem like the only decent options rn but maybe there’s some sleeper pick I’m missing
Both those are definitely great options. I'd say Bottom Dollar is another good one
@@jazzinyourfaces oh nice! I actually have a rapid hit/eye of the storm bottom dollar that I’ve been using, feels pretty great to handle. I’ll have to keep an eye out for other 120s to see if any of them are good too
Could you do a video on how to counter supers when you yourself or your team doesn't have one? And the best actions to take to give yourself the best chance at winning. I'm not sure how much substance this idea has for a video, but I wanted to hear your opinion on it? Thanks again for another awesome video man.
Hm yeah I'd have to really think about that one. Nothing comes to mind and I'd want to make sure I have something good to say in a video. But thanks for the suggestion!
@@jazzinyourfaces No problem. Did you snag a good roll on the Igneous Hammer this weekend?
@@popasaurusrexrex7019 Yeah I got a few good rolls! One that almost copies the god roll I had from before, but now with alacrity so I'm happy. Still no good keep away one unfortunately
@jazzinyourfaces You're gonna be a demon with that weapon man. I managed to snag one with Keep Away, Eye of The Storm and Another with Rangefinder, Moving Target, and an interesting one for sixes with Rapid Hit, Golden Tricorn.
Great point. Unfortunately, Sunshot exists and I will continue to use that until the universe implodes
😦
Great video, well put together, sucks the weekend is ruined due this glitch going on. You convinced me to give 120s another try.
Thanks! Yeah it's a bummer, just my luck eh
is QD, Moving target, ricochet rounds, stability mw better than a snapshot, subsistence, ric rounds range MW? which would you choose over those 2?
Yup, I'd go with that first one. Sounds great for handling, AA, and stability
I got RapidHit/Opening but I think I want a KeepAway/MovingTarget. I recently became a huge fan of Moving Target, I had a “god roll” Messenger with RapidHit/Headseeker and although I enjoyed it… I gave MovingTarget/Headseeker and try and it immediately became my favorite roll. Same thing happened with my Eye of Sol, I always used my Snapshot/OpeningShot roll because it was the “god roll” but after pulling out a vaulted Snapshot/MovingTarget roll I made that my main. I underestimated the aim assist of Moving Target
Yeah man, moving target is amazing
I’ve come to realize I straight up like igneous more than just about every 140 expect hawkmoon. A gun is more than just its stats it’s about how it feels and a lot of times I can never explain what’s giving it that feeling because it could had average or below average stats and still feel "right" or be a stat monster and I still won’t like it. Igneous has both high stats and feels amazing to me. One thing I’ve noticed with igneous is that the red dot stays visible even at the peak of its recoil which one might not notice unless paying attention but it helps a lot in fights.
Yeah man I hear you, feel is a huge part of it. I didn't really have time to get into that but thats a good thing to bring up
My drops on the past all sucked, so I just kept one with high-cal, encore and elemental cap. Largely because it had the lighthouse shader, which you couldn’t obtain any other way, but it turns out to be a nice combination for anything voidy.
Still love my True Proph with OS and Explo, that thing was a beast in the 120 meta. First primary for habe over 1000 PvP kills for me.
True Prophecy is a great one too, Igneous was just the first one that I fell in love with. Do you think you'll try for one this weekend?
i have only been investing time in pvp since lightfall. Everyone told me to use 140s and i am terrible with them. I had started with a 120 but listened to other people. Back to 120s to practice. I won’t be able to get an igneous for a bit though
Yes get on that 120 practice, you won't regret it!
I got a thing for explosive payload though idk why
Lumina feels different this season i wonder if the range changes made it feel better.
Yeah fair enough. I love my bottom dollar with explosive payload
@@jazzinyourfaces yeah I like true prophecy but bottom dollar is a good one too
I was able to get these two bests for PVP. Which if the 2 would you main? Please let me know anyone!! Thanks
1.fluted/ polygon
Ricochet/extended
Range finder
Eye of the storm/ precision instrument
Handling MW
2. Small bore/ extended
Flared mag/ appended
Rapid hit
Precision instrument/ opening shot
Handling MW
Hmm that's tough to say. I'm not really a fan of rangefinder, especially on 120s that already have a ton of range. So I'd say the second one. Smallbore, extended, rapid hit, and opening shot
Thats crazy I just got on Yt and seen this video in my recommended after getting a adept and subscribed my roll is
hammer forged/fluted
high caliber/appended mag
keep away
moving target/eots
stability mw 🔥🔥🔥
Got a an adept max range keep away / eye of the storm roll for my first flawless today. RNG blesses me rarely but ho boy am I more than content.
Damn what the hell 😦
Clean af intro gah dayum
Thanks 😁
Make a video on Bottom Dollar. Id love your take on it. I use Surplus/Explosive Payload over my Quickdraw/Celerity roll
I'll think about it. Like I said, I don't really do weapon reviews. I only made this because Igneous is special to me
Still got an old one with rapid hit and moving target, acquired 2 new ones with encore/eye and another one with keep away / opening. Decent.
Good stuff! Id try that keep away one, sounds crispy
While I generally think 140 hand cannons are underrated by a lot of people, I cannot deny that 120s are sooooo goood, tried out igneous hammer this week and I was so wrong about bad it was, it's one of my new favorite weapons and am hoping to get the new version of it.
What makes you say they're underrated? 140s have been by far the most used handcannon for over 2 years
@@jazzinyourfaces probably just some of my circles causing me to think people say they're worse then they actually are
What are the best weapons to pair with it in the kinetic slot? Need recs for both shotgun and sniper please?
I'm a huge fan of riiswalker for shotgun and eye of sol for sniper, but other great ones are imperial decree, fractethyst, wastelander, and conditional finality, and thoughtless for sniper
I just chuckled at the rule of "only 1 120 per team" and then closed it
What would suggest for a kinetic slot option? I run Glaive in pvp, so I really am restricted to kinetic primaries.
Round Robin is my other favourite 120, and I hear the new ritual weapon (can't remember the name) is really great too, and comes with explosive rounds
@@jazzinyourfaces Thanks, have been using Round Robin whenever I use 120s since I don’t yet have a Kept Confidence (S22 craftable) to try, so it looks like I was already thinking the same.
Oh, and the ritual weapon is called “Malediction”.
great video, amazing points, and you basically worded what i've been thinking in a matter of minutes. easiest subscribe button i've ever pressed.
Appreciate it 😊 I've been putting this script together for weeks, which is a lot more than the hour or two it takes to put the openings script together
Love the evidenced based suggestions. Subbed
Ty ty ♥
I prefer my Slideshot/Iron Grip Steady Hand personally, but I agree with all your points on why 120s > 140s
For sure, slideshot is a great way to boost stats. I never was a fan of the better devils model but I can see the appeal
@@jazzinyourfaces the stat boost is great, but the reload is the real winner there. The 0 reload speed isn't an issue when you never have to reload lol
I have one of those. It's weird how the camera doesn't bounce like you're playing on M&K.
Ony 120 that can keep up with igneous is the round robin when its crafted. That thing is a stat monster and with the artifact mods its always stable AF and those nano rockets are insane. Round robin with matador and ohpidians is my go to for trials. Sadly the bubble titans with PKs and immortals make it worst which is a damn shame.
Great video the quality was amazing Ty
Glad you enjoyed!
What about a keep away and moving target roll? I'm saying because that's what i got, the extra strafe speed is feels really good on a 120. I guess you already have it with rapid hit so why bother but just wanted to know your opinion.
Yeah any combination of the 4 perks that I mentioned would be fantastic. I just paired those two together because they're new, and didn't want to repeat myself with perks. There's no specific interactions between any of the 4
What would you say is the best 120 for the kinetic slot rn
Hmm, it's tough between Round Robin and Malediction. Round Robin is fantastic and can be customized to whatever you want, and Malediction has great stats and comes with kill clip
I'd probably go for Round Robin. It feels really really nice
just to make sure you dont have them mixed up round robin is the one that can get kill clip male is the on thats got EP would you still say its round robin? asking becasue ive been jumping between the 2 mela has the perk that gives it handling on hit but round robin has better consistency perks so vie been have a hard time deciding @@jazzinyourfaces
You make it seem like stability is very important on 120s. Is that right?
I think so, yeah. It helps fight against flinch and reduces kick/bloom. I think 120s already have enough range, and I'm fine with the handling too
I long await the adept Igneous Hammer for seasons, and we got this week, damn you bungo.
Yeah man 😑
how come you use a lightweight instead of fractethyst or imperial decree? is it just cuz you dont run ophids?
Stubbornness! I just really really like lightweights, I think they're snappy and I enjoy the boost to sprint speed that they give
I do have a really good fractethyst and astral horizon, but still prefer riiswalker just out of preference
High quality video bro keep it up
Appreciate it 😁
i got a pretty decent adept i think
rapid hit + opening shot or moving target and gets 92 range with adept range
Oo yeah, I'd keep the moving target on it because you've already got tons of range
also i love your content and i hope we can see you uploading more videos more frequently in the future 🥰❤️
Thanks so much ♥♥♥
Nice video man. If I have time, I would love to play a few games this weekend. It's been rough with the Ammit bug but I managed to get flawless with some serious luck.
Thanks! Yeah I ended up getting a flawless card too, was the worst card of my life lol
Absolutely awful! farming is a nightmare.@@jazzinyourfaces
Just out of interest, what is your view on the new Warden's Law? I am a big fan of it (usually am a 120 user), and even as a fan in my view it has nothing on something like Igneous. The point you made about 140 vs 120 resulting in a trade rings even more true with Warden's. But just curious if you have some thoughts?
Haven't been able to give warden's law a try yet! Been busy putting this video together then grinding out adept igneous for the last few weekends.
I've heard that it's much better on controller than mouse, which is similar to crimson
@@jazzinyourfaces Would seem so considering the feedback coming from PC players in the community (as well as my friends who use M&K). I play on controller and it does feel good there. Hope you get the chance to try it out at some point, not sure if Zen Moment is the play on M&K but on controller it definitely made a world of difference. I hated my Kill Clip roll and fell in love with a Zen Moment roll. And have to say this was an amazing video (good call to post on Reddit, found you that way!)
@@heivain4330 Appreciate it! And yeah I'll give it a try asap, thanks for the recommendation
Love your videos, Jazz - always clean and informative. Really helps me understand the important concepts of the gun or the maps you’re explaining!
Thanks! 😁 I'm glad the extra effort to clean things up goes appreciated
is the perk combo of fragile focus opening shot good at all on 120s since their range is already pretty gross?
Yeah, fragile focus and opening shot are overkill. I'd go for keep away instead, and then either moving target or eye of the storm in the last column
I've been rocking one without any range perks for years now and it hasn't been an issue
@@jazzinyourfaces both my adept igneous' are both fragile focus opening shot lol and I don't wanna go into the hell hole again cause of all the insta kill auto rifles