There’s actually a Japanese aesthetic philosophy called Wabi-Sabi which is about embracing imperfection and roughness. Nature is inherently chaotic and random and imperfect so sometimes it can feel unnatural to try and force the world to appear in a ‘perfect’ way
I know you probably get a LOT of rough feedback or people arguing with you to death. Advice from an old guy who had his time in the sun in another format? Be confidently you, because the people you're addressing are here for it. (That's free advice, so bin it if you don't care.) One of my "spirit animals" of photography is Daidō Moriyama. For exactly the reason you made somewhere before Squarespace. Basically, the imperfections make the shots better. Good for you, Mike. You're a good guy. Keep on keeping on.
This is probably your best video because you are sharing an opinion and trying not to teach for once, keep doing more opinion based stuff as its good. Teaching is hard and I personally don't think you are experienced enough to teach people as its a very hard skill, however with your opinion you say more and people can learn more from how you view work and your work.
Couldn’t agree more, the 28mm elmarit is super discreet and provides all the context you need. That being said, my favorite lens for street remains the 24mm summilux, which is a beast. A super heavy beast. So it often comes down to the time on the streets. If I have only an hour or two it’s the 24mm, if I have a whole day I prefer the 28mm 2.8. Anyway, great video mate! Keep up the good work!
Great video thank Mike! I also purchased the 28 Elmarit after much consideration, and I thoroughly love to use it. Its size and the way it renders sharp images and is the essence of zone focussing just makes it a perfect everyday lens for snapshots and situational photography. And the colours are stunningly good. To me it is close to perfect but I'm also not seeking perfection in my images. It gets boring to listen to all that critical analysis defining photography from the highest artistical standards. If you shoot a lot, follow your ideas and instincts, you might end of creating artwork. I take photographs for my own pleasure and to learn and practise.
Great video, I agree with what you say! 28mm is my most preferred focal length for street photography due to its diversity and energy it brings to a frame. I find 35mm a bit flat and boring (but still use it and i admit it can give great results in the right situations). I do believe that the longer you shoot the wider you get :)
Man, very well articulated, you're speaking my language. When I flip flop between 28mm and 35mm at the moment, I can feel 35mm is much more forgiving but I do have a lot of fun with some packed 28mm frames
Great video as always Mike I used to shoot 35mm all the time , and always wanted clean straight images , I've since moved onto shooting the 28 summaron f5.6 It's a fantastic lens ,and even smaller than your 28 Elmarit
The main reason why we like the 28mm look so much, is that every smartphone picture, story on instagram and so on, use 28mm focal length. Our eyes are familiar and used to with this look over the years.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on 28mm. I can relate to that and it helped me understanding why I am sometimes struggling with my 35mm when I took it on a trip.
I love 28mm & even 24mm photography. I recently picked up a Leica Q2 Mono with a 28mm lens. The more I used it, the more I realized it was closer to a 24mm which I love. I’m like you & prefer more uncluttered & straight forward shots. I am trying to add more layers, use reflections, shoot through other objects to frame the image.
Shooting film , yes, I love Nikkor 28/1.4D. Very intimate close quarters indoor part of the table or action & just the right amount of wide & the up close is beautiful
I recently got an M 240 and with it the same Elmarit 28mm 2.8 asph. The lens is pretty much amazing when it comes size, and quality. Because I was already used to the 28mm on the Q, I didnt found it strange. And the 28mm covers pretty much all of the viewfinder on the 240. I was considering the 35mm as I also really like it, but now I'll probably get a 50, because the difference from the 28 to 35, is almost as give 2 steps forward. Great video as usual Mike. Cheers.
I used to think 28mm was in that no man's land between 35mm and 24mm. But after shooting on pro gear for sometime I started using my camera phone just for walkabout and also started to like the field of view - when I worked out the equivalent it turned out to be 28mm.
I absolutely love the 28mm and i use this lens as my only lens with the M6. Learning alot and working on my composition and other areas. What you mentioned resonates a lot. Joe Greer mentioned: The Beauty of Imperfection, and he's also a 28mm focal length shooter.
I get what you are saying in street for sure, the little quirky thing that can work to leave in, but definately would not work to leave a distracting edge bit in a landscape for example.
Maybe it’s subconscious but I’ve never bothered about focal length. Either the camera/lens takes pictures I like or it doesn’t. I’m selling my M11 with 35 and 50mm lenses and keeping my Q2 simply because I take better pictures with it and enjoy using it more. I have no idea whether this has anything to do with focal length. Regardless of focal length, I almost always crop my images so you could argue that 28, 35 and 50mm are all wrong for me.
Re: clean edges with a 28mm, it depends how close you are. There is a limit to how much chaos a photo can handle. The street is already chaotic so you can guarantee that there will be no shortage of it in a photo unless you manage it in some way. I think what you are really noticing is how sometimes randomness can create interesting compositions you wouldn’t have thought of. It does. But then you can explore and understand why so you are not subject to the whimsy of chance. Photography is endlessly rewarding in this way.
Hi mike! Thank you for this. I’ve been using 28mm focal length for a while and I want to use my 50mm for my trip tomorrow but when I saw your video, I think i’ll leave my 50mm 😂 Kudos to your work! I love the your photos btw. Cheers!
Great thoughts on 28mm! It's funny you walked away from 28mm and sold the Q2. I like it, too. But it's much harder to master for me. So I'm a 'cropper'. Also I like the way you do find the right words to sell your point. On point!😊
The size of the lens is a big thing for me. It’s why i stuck with the X100F for so long and also why i went Summicron over Summilux. If I was going for a 28 it would defo be the Elmarit too for the same reason but the Ricoh GR3 is my go to 28. Typoch have an interesting new very compact and retro line out that I keep seeing in my feed. Eureka or something. Glad my pic made the cut! Haha.
Great video! Love all your videos but this one really resonated with me. I especially loved the skateboarding comparison👌🏻I agree with you 100% I hope to pick up a 28 Elmarit and as crazy as it sounds, I hope to pair it with my M3✌🏻
I have a Leica Q and I struggle with the fact that my place feels boring and my camera has a 28mm lens. I have the camera for 8 years and had parked the hobby for a little while. you just posted two videos addressing these two 'problems' i face. Thanks! I need to watch them a couple of times I guess;-)
Totally agree. Could not have explained it better. I am bored with copycat perfect silhouette pictures and prefer to see the life around the subjects. I feel that with 35 you can still capture it anyway.
Personally I find that focal length is just one of those things that you adapt to through practice. I definitely like 28mm (and have a Leica Q3), but 35mm, 50mm, 85/90mm and 400mm are all focal lengths that I have spent a lot of time with and can "see" in those focal lengths when looking at a scene. I think wider focal lengths are both easier, and harder... the ease comes from being able to always being able to fit what you see into the scene, but it is harder to mitigate distractions. I love your enthusiasm on the focal length... but it sounds like you just got a 28mm...so it could be GAS or the glow of new gear. Keep it coming though! I think you have a 3 or 6 month review video of this FL in your future.... I will certainly keep an eye out for it ;) Great work!
I very much sign your thoughts on this focal length. Been shooting almost exclusively 24mm over a decade, but never quite put the unconscious feelings behind it to words.
Another great video. I totally agree with you. It is all about energy in the photos, which the 28mm focal length can clearly visualize. May all time favorite 2 focal lengths are 28mm and 50mm.
@@makmak69L7 yeah that’s a nice lense, renders lovely. Mine is the Leica apo asph, another lovely lens that renders wonderful on my 246. What do you use your 90 for mostly? Portraits for me, well, mostly (the 50 too) and I also use it if I need a little extra reach. Most of the time though it’s the 28 and 50. Been using the 50 a lot lately. We are lucky to enjoy our passions 🙂 Edit: that’s me and you, not just me (not got schizophrenia, 😂)
Wow. That is lovely. The Summilux 50mm f1.4 is my go to lens that I use the most with my Leica M11P. All my other M mount lenses are Voigtländer lenses: 21mm f3.5 color skopar, 28mm f2 Ultron, 35mm f2 APO Lanthar, 50mm f2 APO Lanthar, 75mm 1.5 Nokton, and 90mm f2.8 APO skopar. I use the 90mm for portrait and also for close up. And yes it is nice that we are enjoying photography. 50mm and 28mm are the best focal lengths period 😊
@@makmak69L7 well I can’t disagree with you there, they are the best two in my way of thinking as well. A Summilux, very nice! I’d love to have the 50 in that! I am really happy with the Summicron f2 v5 I have, works great on the 246, but yeah, I’d like to have that one you have, fab lense. I couldn’t quite afford a m11 unfortunately, but the 246 is still a fantastic camera. When it dies, I may go for a 2nd hand 10M, we’ll see. You have some very very good glass there! I was thinking of getting a vintage one, another 50 at some point, seen a few in the hundreds of £’s, so it’s reachable, lol. Thanks for the chatting man, appreciate it. Keep snapping 🙂
I tried 28mm for a time. I became dissatisfied because (1) to get "personal" with the subject, you have to get very, very close, and (2) in our non-NYC culture, 28mm close is creepy, uncomfortably close. It causes discomfort in the subject and causes them to react to the closeness of the photographer -- ruining the shot. I find 40mm to enable "personal" closeness in the images without causing the subjects to react.
A lot of consumer focused cameras have a 28mm focal length. I believe the iPhone is a 28mm equivalent. I think a lot of disposable cameras I’d either 28 or 35mm
I love 28mm too. However, on my Leica M cameras, as someone with glasses, I can't see the entire 28mm frame lines on the MP or the M10, so I basically don't use 28mm on these cameras. I have a Hexar RF which has a much lower viewfinder magnification so I can see the 28mm frame lines there. And I love my Ricoh GR cameras, I got a couple of them (GRII, GRIII, GRIII HDF). I also love to go wider to 24mm or 21mm on the street sometimes. You got some great images Mike. Nice video.
I like it and I like the idea of it. I have a nice Voigtländer 28mm equivalent. But it’s not my comfort zone. That’s 40mm. I think I will always keep a nice 28mm though.
I was practicing what it would be like with a 28mm using my 24-70 locked at 28.. not the same but before I consider diving in for a q3 I wanted an idea.. it was interesting
Yeah my m6 that I bought new back in the day is a .58 so when I finally wanted to replace it I got the M10R but you can only get new Ms in .72 and they sucks IMO if you wear glasses and want to shoot 35 and forget 28 or wider. Needless to say sold the R and will not buy a m until if ever Leica will actually go back to option viewfinder like back in the day. My Q2 will just have to keep filling in
Great video! Thanks for sharing. I agree with embracing the natural distraction to somehow enrich the images. But sometimes (at least for who just started street photography) it can be quite overwhelming and made me overthink. How do I handle that? One more question. The only lens I got is the 16-50 kit. Is it good to practice doing street with zoom lens or is it better to restrict the zooming feature using prime lens to explore a bit more with feet rather than lens? Thanks a lot!
Somewhat surprised you are looking to continue shooting 35mm alongside 28mm. I would have thought coming from a Q2 and having cropped back then (my assumption…) you would apply a similar approach now in post, give up 35mm and move straight to 50mm. Appreciate your thoughts on this ?
I totally agree with you, I always like the 28 mm focal length especially for people shots because it has less distortion than a 24. But it depends on your style of photography. I also like using a 28 on the crop sensor camera because it becomes a 42 mm lens, which is a nice carry around lens as well. I have a Nikon V1 and I love using the 10 mm 2.8 on it which is like a 27 mm lens, close enough.Great video even though you’re a bit of a talking head, your content is useful and interesting and engaging. Keep up the good work and thanks for including in the video a lot of those cool street shots which I was surprised to understand that they’re not yours.😂😊Regards Gerry
It’s crazy how much thypoch spent on marketing which in turn makes me believe that they want their money back with their retail price… which in turn means that the Lens is overpriced
It’s an interesting concept because I feel like I WANT to enjoy these images more, and don’t get me wrong I really do! BUT what now separates this from the 60 something your old iPhone user taking photos of some scene on holiday, with wonky horizons and slightly out of focus “subject” or contorted composition. They still photographed the scene “as it was” does that make it a great photograph? Many would say absolutely not. What makes it “better” by “us” taking it who knows manual focus and exposure etc. I don’t know. I guess the fact I’m discussing it now is part of the reason it’s good/important. Because I like images like this, I find myself looking at them and noticing things, but then I just think after that I’m totally just interpreting it however I want. I guess that’s the point of photography. The photographer likely didn’t mean to capture ALL the nuances I “spotted”, but then again, what makes that difference than me looking at a picture my grandma took and “embraced the imperfections”. I feel like I could go on chasing my tail like this for hours on this subject. Hopefully the point comes across though.
Good point - to address the “60 something photographer” who’s pointing at the same thing with an iPhone. The better the photographer, the better scene, moment, split second, timing, emotion or expression they notice. If we all walk up and down the street together with a 28mm. We will still get dramatically different photographs. Because what we notice will be different. If I notice the same stuff as everyone else and it doesn’t differ from the average person with an iPhone, I’m not trying hard enough. I totally understand your thinking - but in reality I don’t think that’s the case. In my opinion. Thanks for the comment! :)
@@MikeChudley yeah, that’s a good way of putting it. It’s definitely something I think about a lot. It’s like a lot of the “everyday” images. The photos of bins, and corners of a building or house. I scan through and see these and think “I like that”. I take it myself and in the moment, even after! I also think “I like that”. Then when I think about it a bit more, I’m just like “I’ve just taken a picture of a bin there, or an old picnic bench. It’s literally just a picnic bench🤦🏻♂️” similar concept as I’m getting at in my original comment really. Anyway, cheers for replying. Good to hear your thoughts on it too :)
Mmmmm …. I think photographs composed with 28mm lens will undoubtably have more scope for more elements to be in the frame than a 35mm or narrower lens. A complex scene may have many layers and many contributing elements which when brought together by the eye of the street photographer create relationships and stories explicit or implied. These added elements can enrich the image and enhance the connective emotion for the viewer of the picture. I’m not sure though that I follow your train of thought about distractions in the image being ok. For me a distraction, or an element which is not positively adding to the scene, is just that, a distraction and therefore has a high chance of diluting or diminishing the intent of the photograph. I understand your point about creating photographs which are not robotic, sterile and too perfect but to my mind however many elements there are they should all contribute in some way. I respect your opinion, though, from my seat opposite you in the coffee shop. Thanks for the enjoyable and informative videos.
I totally agree with your reasoning. There is another analogy: FITA--Archery (olympic-style, very controlled environment) vs. Instinctive shooting. I should know, I've done both and Instinctive shooting on a 3D parcours (with wind, weather, unknown distances, etc.) is so much more rewarding. I'm not saying that the one is better than the other, it is just my opinion. Thank you for sharing your thoughts anyway! (PS: as for photography, I'm a Leica and a Nikon shooter - it is a perfect, complimentary match)
nice video! manual focus a little closer please because as you talk to the camera passionately you lean forward haha. the out of focus eyes bothered me more than it should haha
28mm forces you to become part of the scene vs. a longer lens that lets you hide more with less confrontation. Also a 28mm has a much more “3-d” effect when done right immersing the viewer into a scene vs. Feeling like a distant voyeur or witnessing a theft of a moment…
For me, 28mm is a bit difficult because there's always the risk of unwanted elements. And also the "wide angle look": since you typically stand closer, objects near the lens look bigger than the rest behind. Sure it may look dramatic in some cases. A longer lens like 85mm allows me for more precise framing (nope, I don't care about bokeh and candid portrait). Yes I'm aware most street photographers who use rangefinders prefer wide angle lens.
@@anta40 I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree. There is a 3-d pop you just can’t get with a long lens. I think what changed my mind from being a bokeh chaser (which I was for 20 years) was an interview I watched on one of those walk along videos and he described using light and shadow like a cinematographer instead of a photographer…meaning using light and shadow to separate a subject from a scene instead of a blurred out background. Think of any epic movie like Lawrence Of Arabia and or any drama how rarely they use blurring from a lens. Yes you have to learn to layer your images but…The blur effect is way way overused imho and sure it’s a flex that you can afford a nice lens, but it’s also a shortcut. My last point I’ll make which really sold it to me was the weight of a slower lens is extremely freeing! No more bricks to carry around…and the best part of having a tiny lens is people rarely even notice you are shooting anything- unlike having a giant bazooka lens where you bring it out and EVERYONE FREEZES and turns to look at you!!! Idk maybe you like the attention from strangers for having expensive equipment…hope you have insurance ✌️
@@davidlogan3874 Perhaps there's a 3D-pop... which is in general not my concern. I acknowdlege 28mm (or wider) can be useful in some cases (my favourite subjects are architecture/geometrical shapes). That said, perhaps I'm among the minority: instead of wide angle lens, give me a pano camera, something like XPan's 65:24. For me, it produces stronger composition and still distraction-less. Sadly XPan is bloody expensive, so I happily accepts how modern digital cameras interpolate that format.
Hey Mike :D i love your videos and work ! keep it up ! :D how do you feel about the leica q cameras take on 28mm? you use to have q camera right ? :D i switch from my sony system to the leica q3 but i still finde i hard to compose, but i like the challenge :D best regards from Denmark
I agree that too perfect composition starts to feel robotic and too artsy (especially in a genre like street photography) but i also gotta say that 28mm + clean composition is 10/10. if u pair the rawness of the focal length with clean edges and composition its just breathtaking
The 28 mm is a very difficult focal length to master in landscape photography, but it is a powerful tool for street photography. I also like the 21 mm. These lenses allow the photographer to tell a story with inclusion of people or objects thzt relate to each other. That is the only time I like to see people in a photograph. I don't care much for the lone walker in the border of light and shadow and all that. Those were very nice photographs you showed us. Well done.
You can weld that 28mm Elmarit-M to your M11-P. Treat it like a Leica Q3 and just crop later. I'm not suggesting sloppy composition, but with 60mp at your disposal, why even think of 35mm or even 50mm? BTW, I'm new to your channel. You mention a $9k camera, $6k Summilux and now a $3k Elmarit. Trust fund?
There’s actually a Japanese aesthetic philosophy called Wabi-Sabi which is about embracing imperfection and roughness. Nature is inherently chaotic and random and imperfect so sometimes it can feel unnatural to try and force the world to appear in a ‘perfect’ way
I know you probably get a LOT of rough feedback or people arguing with you to death. Advice from an old guy who had his time in the sun in another format? Be confidently you, because the people you're addressing are here for it. (That's free advice, so bin it if you don't care.)
One of my "spirit animals" of photography is Daidō Moriyama. For exactly the reason you made somewhere before Squarespace. Basically, the imperfections make the shots better.
Good for you, Mike. You're a good guy. Keep on keeping on.
This was lovely to read. Thank you Chris
Easier for range focusing, that's why most street photographers use it.
Your videos are getting better and better. Standing out of the stereotypical street-photographer-youtuber.
I agree, we were just speaking about this the other day. Eduardo and Mike collab in the pipeline? ;)
@@daveincork lol I'd love to... but probably Mike has never seen my work XD.
This means a lot - thanks! 👌
Tack!
This is probably your best video because you are sharing an opinion and trying not to teach for once, keep doing more opinion based stuff as its good. Teaching is hard and I personally don't think you are experienced enough to teach people as its a very hard skill, however with your opinion you say more and people can learn more from how you view work and your work.
Couldn’t agree more, the 28mm elmarit is super discreet and provides all the context you need. That being said, my favorite lens for street remains the 24mm summilux, which is a beast. A super heavy beast. So it often comes down to the time on the streets. If I have only an hour or two it’s the 24mm, if I have a whole day I prefer the 28mm 2.8.
Anyway, great video mate! Keep up the good work!
I love how you supplement your content with those well taken pictures.
Great video thank Mike! I also purchased the 28 Elmarit after much consideration, and I thoroughly love to use it. Its size and the way it renders sharp images and is the essence of zone focussing just makes it a perfect everyday lens for snapshots and situational photography. And the colours are stunningly good. To me it is close to perfect but I'm also not seeking perfection in my images. It gets boring to listen to all that critical analysis defining photography from the highest artistical standards. If you shoot a lot, follow your ideas and instincts, you might end of creating artwork. I take photographs for my own pleasure and to learn and practise.
Great video, I agree with what you say! 28mm is my most preferred focal length for street photography due to its diversity and energy it brings to a frame. I find 35mm a bit flat and boring (but still use it and i admit it can give great results in the right situations). I do believe that the longer you shoot the wider you get :)
Very interesting. Nice to hear you openly sharing your thoughts, Mike.
Such an interesting concept, thank you for making a video on this perspective!
Man, very well articulated, you're speaking my language. When I flip flop between 28mm and 35mm at the moment, I can feel 35mm is much more forgiving but I do have a lot of fun with some packed 28mm frames
Great video as always Mike
I used to shoot 35mm all the time , and always wanted clean straight images , I've since moved onto shooting the 28 summaron f5.6
It's a fantastic lens ,and even smaller than your 28 Elmarit
The main reason why we like the 28mm look so much, is that every smartphone picture, story on instagram and so on, use 28mm focal length. Our eyes are familiar and used to with this look over the years.
Thank you Mike, good photos!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on 28mm. I can relate to that and it helped me understanding why I am sometimes struggling with my 35mm when I took it on a trip.
I love 28mm & even 24mm photography. I recently picked up a Leica Q2 Mono with a 28mm lens. The more I used it, the more I realized it was closer to a 24mm which I love. I’m like you & prefer more uncluttered & straight forward shots. I am trying to add more layers, use reflections, shoot through other objects to frame the image.
I've been loving my long zoom lens lately. It's like I quiet out all the noise and focus on one focal point ❤
It's my favorite all-rounder now as well, even though 50 was my go-to before
Shooting film , yes, I love Nikkor 28/1.4D. Very intimate close quarters indoor part of the table or action & just the right amount of wide & the up close is beautiful
Totally agree 28mm all about ensuring you get context
Thank you for sharing your insight sir
I recently got an M 240 and with it the same Elmarit 28mm 2.8 asph. The lens is pretty much amazing when it comes size, and quality. Because I was already used to the 28mm on the Q, I didnt found it strange. And the 28mm covers pretty much all of the viewfinder on the 240. I was considering the 35mm as I also really like it, but now I'll probably get a 50, because the difference from the 28 to 35, is almost as give 2 steps forward. Great video as usual Mike. Cheers.
Idk if anyone mentioned but ur smart bro. Your great introspection skills is what make this channel interesting
I used to think 28mm was in that no man's land between 35mm and 24mm. But after shooting on pro gear for sometime I started using my camera phone just for walkabout and also started to like the field of view - when I worked out the equivalent it turned out to be 28mm.
I've enjoyed watching your videos and appreciating your work. I wish you continued success!
Great video. You really effectively expressed the unique perspective of the 28mm and inspired my photography.
Thanks Mike - well considered and well expressed. One of your finest.
I absolutely love the 28mm and i use this lens as my only lens with the M6. Learning alot and working on my composition and other areas. What you mentioned resonates a lot. Joe Greer mentioned: The Beauty of Imperfection, and he's also a 28mm focal length shooter.
I get what you are saying in street for sure, the little quirky thing that can work to leave in, but definately would not work to leave a distracting edge bit in a landscape for example.
Maybe it’s subconscious but I’ve never bothered about focal length. Either the camera/lens takes pictures I like or it doesn’t. I’m selling my M11 with 35 and 50mm lenses and keeping my Q2 simply because I take better pictures with it and enjoy using it more. I have no idea whether this has anything to do with focal length. Regardless of focal length, I almost always crop my images so you could argue that 28, 35 and 50mm are all wrong for me.
Love the photos in this. I view the world in 28mm and my 28 summilux & 28 summicron are on my cameras almost all the time.
Re: clean edges with a 28mm, it depends how close you are. There is a limit to how much chaos a photo can handle. The street is already chaotic so you can guarantee that there will be no shortage of it in a photo unless you manage it in some way. I think what you are really noticing is how sometimes randomness can create interesting compositions you wouldn’t have thought of. It does. But then you can explore and understand why so you are not subject to the whimsy of chance. Photography is endlessly rewarding in this way.
Hi mike! Thank you for this. I’ve been using 28mm focal length for a while and I want to use my 50mm for my trip tomorrow but when I saw your video, I think i’ll leave my 50mm 😂
Kudos to your work! I love the your photos btw. Cheers!
28mm lenses are one of my favorite focal lengths as all my digital cameras are APS-C cameras and i like the focal l length on my cameras
Great thoughts on 28mm! It's funny you walked away from 28mm and sold the Q2. I like it, too. But it's much harder to master for me. So I'm a 'cropper'. Also I like the way you do find the right words to sell your point. On point!😊
俺也喜欢28mm，希望看到你更多的28mm照片和心得分享。祝你拍摄愉快
The size of the lens is a big thing for me. It’s why i stuck with the X100F for so long and also why i went Summicron over Summilux.
If I was going for a 28 it would defo be the Elmarit too for the same reason but the Ricoh GR3 is my go to 28.
Typoch have an interesting new very compact and retro line out that I keep seeing in my feed. Eureka or something.
Glad my pic made the cut! Haha.
Great video! Love all your videos but this one really resonated with me.
I especially loved the skateboarding comparison👌🏻I agree with you 100%
I hope to pick up a 28 Elmarit and as crazy as it sounds, I hope to pair it with my M3✌🏻
This flew by. I’m a big fan of 28, to the point where I now own two 28mm (equivalent) primes. One is small, the other is sharp but the are both great.
I love your thinking!
Definitely knew you were going to get this lens. As soon as you raved about the Thypoch. The Elmarit is a compact cheat code. Enjoy! 🍻
Agree! I wish there was a really good, compact 28 for Sony.
Thanks for the feature Mike! And great video like usual!
I have a Leica Q and I struggle with the fact that my place feels boring and my camera has a 28mm lens. I have the camera for 8 years and had parked the hobby for a little while. you just posted two videos addressing these two 'problems' i face. Thanks! I need to watch them a couple of times I guess;-)
28mm is a true “must have” I recently picked up a like new copy of the Voigtlander 28mm f2 Ultron II for amazing price,m small and sweet on my M10-R.
Totally agree. Could not have explained it better. I am bored with copycat perfect silhouette pictures and prefer to see the life around the subjects. I feel that with 35 you can still capture it anyway.
Personally I find that focal length is just one of those things that you adapt to through practice. I definitely like 28mm (and have a Leica Q3), but 35mm, 50mm, 85/90mm and 400mm are all focal lengths that I have spent a lot of time with and can "see" in those focal lengths when looking at a scene. I think wider focal lengths are both easier, and harder... the ease comes from being able to always being able to fit what you see into the scene, but it is harder to mitigate distractions. I love your enthusiasm on the focal length... but it sounds like you just got a 28mm...so it could be GAS or the glow of new gear. Keep it coming though! I think you have a 3 or 6 month review video of this FL in your future.... I will certainly keep an eye out for it ;) Great work!
I very much sign your thoughts on this focal length. Been shooting almost exclusively 24mm over a decade, but never quite put the unconscious feelings behind it to words.
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Another great video. I totally agree with you. It is all about energy in the photos, which the 28mm focal length can clearly visualize. May all time favorite 2 focal lengths are 28mm and 50mm.
Mine too! I find it gives me everything I need. I also have a 90mm f2 but these two are on my cameras most of the time 🙂
@@HaakonOdinssonI have Voigtländer 90mm f2.8 as well. 😊
@@makmak69L7 yeah that’s a nice lense, renders lovely. Mine is the Leica apo asph, another lovely lens that renders wonderful on my 246. What do you use your 90 for mostly? Portraits for me, well, mostly (the 50 too) and I also use it if I need a little extra reach. Most of the time though it’s the 28 and 50. Been using the 50 a lot lately. We are lucky to enjoy our passions 🙂
Edit: that’s me and you, not just me (not got schizophrenia, 😂)
Wow. That is lovely. The Summilux 50mm f1.4 is my go to lens that I use the most with my Leica M11P. All my other M mount lenses are Voigtländer lenses: 21mm f3.5 color skopar, 28mm f2 Ultron, 35mm f2 APO Lanthar, 50mm f2 APO Lanthar, 75mm 1.5 Nokton, and 90mm f2.8 APO skopar. I use the 90mm for portrait and also for close up. And yes it is nice that we are enjoying photography. 50mm and 28mm are the best focal lengths period 😊
@@makmak69L7 well I can’t disagree with you there, they are the best two in my way of thinking as well. A Summilux, very nice! I’d love to have the 50 in that! I am really happy with the Summicron f2 v5 I have, works great on the 246, but yeah, I’d like to have that one you have, fab lense. I couldn’t quite afford a m11 unfortunately, but the 246 is still a fantastic camera. When it dies, I may go for a 2nd hand 10M, we’ll see. You have some very very good glass there! I was thinking of getting a vintage one, another 50 at some point, seen a few in the hundreds of £’s, so it’s reachable, lol. Thanks for the chatting man, appreciate it. Keep snapping 🙂
I tried 28mm for a time. I became dissatisfied because (1) to get "personal" with the subject, you have to get very, very close, and (2) in our non-NYC culture, 28mm close is creepy, uncomfortably close. It causes discomfort in the subject and causes them to react to the closeness of the photographer -- ruining the shot. I find 40mm to enable "personal" closeness in the images without causing the subjects to react.
Love my Q1, it’s what my eyes see photographically…✌️
I’ve got this elmarit 28mm f2.8 asph. A fantastic lens imho, I love it on my typ246 and m10
A lot of consumer focused cameras have a 28mm focal length. I believe the iPhone is a 28mm equivalent. I think a lot of disposable cameras I’d either 28 or 35mm
Great Video
UH Ohhhh the Can sense the Q3 making a comeback!?!?! I roll m11 with a 50 and q3 for the 28 and weather sealing.
I love 28mm too. However, on my Leica M cameras, as someone with glasses, I can't see the entire 28mm frame lines on the MP or the M10, so I basically don't use 28mm on these cameras. I have a Hexar RF which has a much lower viewfinder magnification so I can see the 28mm frame lines there. And I love my Ricoh GR cameras, I got a couple of them (GRII, GRIII, GRIII HDF). I also love to go wider to 24mm or 21mm on the street sometimes.
You got some great images Mike. Nice video.
Excellent!
I’m deciding between that lens and the voigtlander color skopar 2.8. For what I have seen it’s smaller and sharper than the Leica Elmarit.
I like it and I like the idea of it. I have a nice Voigtländer 28mm equivalent. But it’s not my comfort zone. That’s 40mm. I think I will always keep a nice 28mm though.
You're pointing out something do make me thinking
I was practicing what it would be like with a 28mm using my 24-70 locked at 28.. not the same but before I consider diving in for a q3 I wanted an idea.. it was interesting
Yeah my m6 that I bought new back in the day is a .58 so when I finally wanted to replace it I got the M10R but you can only get new Ms in .72 and they sucks IMO if you wear glasses and want to shoot 35 and forget 28 or wider. Needless to say sold the R and will not buy a m until if ever Leica will actually go back to option viewfinder like back in the day. My Q2 will just have to keep filling in
Great video! Thanks for sharing. I agree with embracing the natural distraction to somehow enrich the images. But sometimes (at least for who just started street photography) it can be quite overwhelming and made me overthink. How do I handle that?
One more question. The only lens I got is the 16-50 kit. Is it good to practice doing street with zoom lens or is it better to restrict the zooming feature using prime lens to explore a bit more with feet rather than lens? Thanks a lot!
I do street photography with 50mm. Even then I crop, I dont like clutter.
Somewhat surprised you are looking to continue shooting 35mm alongside 28mm. I would have thought coming from a Q2 and having cropped back then (my assumption…) you would apply a similar approach now in post, give up 35mm and move straight to 50mm. Appreciate your thoughts on this ?
I totally agree with you, I always like the 28 mm focal length especially for people shots because it has less distortion than a 24. But it depends on your style of photography. I also like using a 28 on the crop sensor camera because it becomes a 42 mm lens, which is a nice carry around lens as well. I have a Nikon V1 and I love using the 10 mm 2.8 on it which is like a 27 mm lens, close enough.Great video even though you’re a bit of a talking head, your content is useful and interesting and engaging. Keep up the good work and thanks for including in the video a lot of those cool street shots which I was surprised to understand that they’re not yours.😂😊Regards Gerry
Love my 28 Elmatit
It’s crazy how much thypoch spent on marketing which in turn makes me believe that they want their money back with their retail price… which in turn means that the Lens is overpriced
Agree completely
It’s an interesting concept because I feel like I WANT to enjoy these images more, and don’t get me wrong I really do! BUT what now separates this from the 60 something your old iPhone user taking photos of some scene on holiday, with wonky horizons and slightly out of focus “subject” or contorted composition. They still photographed the scene “as it was” does that make it a great photograph? Many would say absolutely not. What makes it “better” by “us” taking it who knows manual focus and exposure etc. I don’t know. I guess the fact I’m discussing it now is part of the reason it’s good/important. Because I like images like this, I find myself looking at them and noticing things, but then I just think after that I’m totally just interpreting it however I want. I guess that’s the point of photography. The photographer likely didn’t mean to capture ALL the nuances I “spotted”, but then again, what makes that difference than me looking at a picture my grandma took and “embraced the imperfections”. I feel like I could go on chasing my tail like this for hours on this subject. Hopefully the point comes across though.
Good point - to address the “60 something photographer” who’s pointing at the same thing with an iPhone.
The better the photographer, the better scene, moment, split second, timing, emotion or expression they notice.
If we all walk up and down the street together with a 28mm. We will still get dramatically different photographs.
Because what we notice will be different.
If I notice the same stuff as everyone else and it doesn’t differ from the average person with an iPhone, I’m not trying hard enough.
I totally understand your thinking - but in reality I don’t think that’s the case. In my opinion.
Thanks for the comment! :)
@@MikeChudley yeah, that’s a good way of putting it. It’s definitely something I think about a lot. It’s like a lot of the “everyday” images. The photos of bins, and corners of a building or house. I scan through and see these and think “I like that”. I take it myself and in the moment, even after! I also think “I like that”. Then when I think about it a bit more, I’m just like “I’ve just taken a picture of a bin there, or an old picnic bench. It’s literally just a picnic bench🤦🏻♂️” similar concept as I’m getting at in my original comment really. Anyway, cheers for replying. Good to hear your thoughts on it too :)
Mmmmm …. I think photographs composed with 28mm lens will undoubtably have more scope for more elements to be in the frame than a 35mm or narrower lens. A complex scene may have many layers and many contributing elements which when brought together by the eye of the street photographer create relationships and stories explicit or implied. These added elements can enrich the image and enhance the connective emotion for the viewer of the picture. I’m not sure though that I follow your train of thought about distractions in the image being ok. For me a distraction, or an element which is not positively adding to the scene, is just that, a distraction and therefore has a high chance of diluting or diminishing the intent of the photograph. I understand your point about creating photographs which are not robotic, sterile and too perfect but to my mind however many elements there are they should all contribute in some way. I respect your opinion, though, from my seat opposite you in the coffee shop. Thanks for the enjoyable and informative videos.
I totally agree with your reasoning. There is another analogy: FITA--Archery (olympic-style, very controlled environment) vs. Instinctive shooting. I should know, I've done both and Instinctive shooting on a 3D parcours (with wind, weather, unknown distances, etc.) is so much more rewarding. I'm not saying that the one is better than the other, it is just my opinion. Thank you for sharing your thoughts anyway! (PS: as for photography, I'm a Leica and a Nikon shooter - it is a perfect, complimentary match)
nice video! manual focus a little closer please because as you talk to the camera passionately you lean forward haha. the out of focus eyes bothered me more than it should haha
I’ve got the v3 elmarit and it’s never really off my m7
Is 28mm on full frame or apsc? Sorry newbie
28mm forces you to become part of the scene vs. a longer lens that lets you hide more with less confrontation. Also a 28mm has a much more “3-d” effect when done right immersing the viewer into a scene vs. Feeling like a distant voyeur or witnessing a theft of a moment…
For me, 28mm is a bit difficult because there's always the risk of unwanted elements. And also the "wide angle look": since you typically stand closer, objects near the lens look bigger than the rest behind. Sure it may look dramatic in some cases.
A longer lens like 85mm allows me for more precise framing (nope, I don't care about bokeh and candid portrait). Yes I'm aware most street photographers who use rangefinders prefer wide angle lens.
@@anta40 I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree. There is a 3-d pop you just can’t get with a long lens. I think what changed my mind from being a bokeh chaser (which I was for 20 years) was an interview I watched on one of those walk along videos and he described using light and shadow like a cinematographer instead of a photographer…meaning using light and shadow to separate a subject from a scene instead of a blurred out background. Think of any epic movie like Lawrence Of Arabia and or any drama how rarely they use blurring from a lens. Yes you have to learn to layer your images but…The blur effect is way way overused imho and sure it’s a flex that you can afford a nice lens, but it’s also a shortcut.
My last point I’ll make which really sold it to me was the weight of a slower lens is extremely freeing! No more bricks to carry around…and the best part of having a tiny lens is people rarely even notice you are shooting anything- unlike having a giant bazooka lens where you bring it out and EVERYONE FREEZES and turns to look at you!!! Idk maybe you like the attention from strangers for having expensive equipment…hope you have insurance ✌️
@@davidlogan3874 Perhaps there's a 3D-pop... which is in general not my concern. I acknowdlege 28mm (or wider) can be useful in some cases (my favourite subjects are architecture/geometrical shapes). That said, perhaps I'm among the minority: instead of wide angle lens, give me a pano camera, something like XPan's 65:24. For me, it produces stronger composition and still distraction-less. Sadly XPan is bloody expensive, so I happily accepts how modern digital cameras interpolate that format.
Hey Mike :D i love your videos and work ! keep it up ! :D
how do you feel about the leica q cameras take on 28mm? you use to have q camera right ? :D i switch from my sony system to the leica q3 but i still finde i hard to compose, but i like the challenge :D
best regards from Denmark
You said the same when you bought the Q2 😂
here we are again, full circle
Nice shots anyway
I agree that too perfect composition starts to feel robotic and too artsy (especially in a genre like street photography) but i also gotta say that 28mm + clean composition is 10/10. if u pair the rawness of the focal length with clean edges and composition its just breathtaking
Agree big time
The 28 mm is a very difficult focal length to master in landscape photography, but it is a powerful tool for street photography. I also like the 21 mm. These lenses allow the photographer to tell a story with inclusion of people or objects thzt relate to each other. That is the only time I like to see people in a photograph. I don't care much for the lone walker in the border of light and shadow and all that. Those were very nice photographs you showed us. Well done.
28mm . childish or touristic snaps for me. Nothing can beat the 50mm (and 85mm) cinematic mood!
But like it's not a 28mm photo if you crop them all dude.......
Love the video, but the focusing of your video camera is poor, your eyes are too often out of focus which is strangely distracting.
If you’re going to use a 28 just get a Q
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You can weld that 28mm Elmarit-M to your M11-P. Treat it like a Leica Q3 and just crop later. I'm not suggesting sloppy composition, but with 60mp at your disposal, why even think of 35mm or even 50mm? BTW, I'm new to your channel. You mention a $9k camera, $6k Summilux and now a $3k Elmarit. Trust fund?
A trust fund would be great. Unfortunately it’s just 10,000 hours of work 😂
The 28mm is like a giant fish net....you throw it out and sort out the catch later
This is funny
28mm lenses are one of my favorite focal lengths as all my digital cameras are APS-C cameras and i like the focal l length on my cameras
28mm lenses are one of my favorite focal lengths as all my digital cameras are APS-C cameras and i like the focal l length on my cameras