Hi Julian, what do you think of Zizek disinterest toward Nietzsche's philosophy? Considering Freud himself took a lot ideas from Nietzsche and Zizek appreciated Freud.
@stephen23122 aside from mischaracterization, once I watch a video where Zizek tell why he was not into Nietzsche philosophy. It's interesting but weird, as far as I remember, Zizek explain the way he found an enjoyment of reading philosophy as a good sex. For him, Hegel and Freud penetrated him deeply, but the same could not be say to Nietzsche. This make me think, is this because with Nietzsche there is only appearance? Just like what Foucault said.
One of your best videos yet, I won't lie that "Strength is the ability to exhibit weakness": hit me like a truck. I'm very excited for your Delueze & Nietsche detour.
I don’t think Nietzsches goal was to emancipate ourselves from values but to create our own values to be our own self legislators. The child is not just a destroyer but a creator after all.
Deleuze and Guattari declare Nietzsche's On the Genealogy of Morals "the great book of modern ethnology" for its success interpreting primitive economy in terms of debt and debtor-creditor relationships, and doing so without consideration of exchange or interest or placing them in structure. Then they write: "Man must constitute himself through the repression of the intense germinal influx, the great biocosmic memory that threatens to deluge every attempt at collectivity. ... All the stupidity and the arbitrariness of the laws, all the pain of the initiations, the whole perverse apparatus of repression and education, the red-hot irons, and the atrocious procedures have only this means: to breed man, to mark him in his flesh, to render him capable of alliance, to form him within the debtor-creditor relation, which on both sides turns out to be a matter of memory -- a memory straining toward the future." (Anti-Oedipus, 1972)
Is it correct to say that Nietzsche’s philosophy is mapping onto the anarchist project? (The emancipatory one, not the anarcho-capitalist bastardization)
Sorry, but I’m not buying the Deleuzian reinterpretation of Nietzsche. For example, Deleuze wants to make Nietzsche’s concept of the “eternal return” far more complicated than what it actually is. It is simply a thought experiment where you become so life affirming that you would live your life together with all of its disappointments and suffering over and over again if given a choice.
Well that's Deleuze's explicit approach. He's very clear that he's not claiming that his reading is what Nietzsche meant. He says as much. He's clear that he's using Nietzsche's concepts to develop his own versions. It's actually a very Nietzschian way of reading. It's Deleuze's and Nietzsche's instances of the will to power meeting creatively.
Deleuze purposely cherry picks parts of Nietzsche. I assume this channel picked Deleuzes interpretation bc of deleuze’s Lacanian background, which fits in with the surrounding topics on this channel.
There's suggestions in his notes that Nietzsche might have considered the Eternal Return more than an intellectual exercise. This is more where Deleuze based his interpretation on.
I've read a lot of early Marx and Nietzsche and I see a great similarity in their work, I wonder if it has something to do with their brief dalliances with the pre-Socratics, specifically Democritus and Heraclitus.
I understood most of the topics but I didnt really understand the part about the child, thank you for explaining, Im past my lion stage and its ok to have a playful nature as child without all the battle and confrontation.
Is the reason why so many misunderstand Nietzsche's eternal recurrence that they haven't read the book? Since I read the book I see it as a clear thought experiment: it is a test of if you are living your life in the manner you want/should. The thought experiment is introduced as such: "What if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness, and say to you..." (The Gay Science). I.e., the main point: you should lead a life that you would be willing to repeat eternally.
He may have said there are no facts, only interpretations but to Deleuze takes his interpretation too far into territory that completely misrepresents Nietzsche. He kind of defanged or declawed Nietzsche with his analysis which is obviously influenced by his leftist political leanings.
Nietzsche is not so anti- Hegelian he maybe wants to be, just remember for example master and slave dialectics. I have always thought his biggest enemy is Platos Socrates, that is to say , the " God like" ( moral) reasoning itself, aka virtues. And yes, Nietzsche , like Hegel believes in progress, but in this sense I think N is a fascist and elitist , maybe an elitist would be better word, cause he hated nationalism. In Geneality of morals he wrote: to speeding up destruction of the majority, that would be progress", so he is not a socialist, that what is certain. Eternal return is not thought experience cause Nietzsche doesn't believe in free will, I think. Heidegger would be big help to understand this concept, I think Nietzsche tried to prove that time is an illusion, cause we need this ( time) in order to suppres our memory, it's about recursion, tail recursion if you will, kind of primitive trivial cases who change history, like Nietzsche himself or Julius Ceasar alea yacta est, only one flip of a coin is allowed, in certain moment you cross a river and flip a coin, this is a true faith test, amor fati and overman.
Still, Nietzsche adored Napoleon and Goethe for example that exhibit some kind of strength or mastery tbh... He also talked about the love-hate relalationship to the Sheep, in turn implying that he prefers the master mentality even though he has some sympathy for how the weak seem to overcome. I'm not convinced about this interpretation of Nietzsche. This is more a Deleuze interpretation of Nietzsche which should be clarified in the clickbate title.
@@GottfriedLeibnizYT that's a very different point from your initial one which is completely a reductionist one. Many, if not every, philosopher or philosophical text could be misinterpreted and be a ground for many extreme thoughts and especially fascism. And this selective process is usually not a misunderstanding, but rather a deliberate process to rationalise fascism, and that does not make this idea or that "definitely a breading ground for fascism". This is insane!
What is a master other then an individual blind to one half of reality like a child scared of the dark? Neich is the champion of western narcissism i guess
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Hi Julian, what do you think of Zizek disinterest toward Nietzsche's philosophy? Considering Freud himself took a lot ideas from Nietzsche and Zizek appreciated Freud.
@stephen23122 aside from mischaracterization, once I watch a video where Zizek tell why he was not into Nietzsche philosophy. It's interesting but weird, as far as I remember, Zizek explain the way he found an enjoyment of reading philosophy as a good sex. For him, Hegel and Freud penetrated him deeply, but the same could not be say to Nietzsche. This make me think, is this because with Nietzsche there is only appearance? Just like what Foucault said.
One of your best videos yet, I won't lie that "Strength is the ability to exhibit weakness": hit me like a truck. I'm very excited for your Delueze & Nietsche detour.
Finally Deleuze!! ❤ Please do one video on why Zizek tells Deleuzian Rhyzomatic analysis is not opposed to Hegelian dialectics.
Awesome vid as always, was entertained by sudden 4:48 mouth slip where you almost said Zizek instead of Nietche :D Force of habit huh
Thank you for this video Julian, and happy Mother’s Day!
Kudos to you Julian, brilliant summary yet again. You really have a godly gift for compressing such complex ideas!
Beautiful explanation! Thank you
I don’t think Nietzsches goal was to emancipate ourselves from values but to create our own values to be our own self legislators. The child is not just a destroyer but a creator after all.
Every thing you do Julian is great, waiting on every video
Please make more videos on deleuze!!!
There's a contralecture of Nietzsche's fascism in Georg Lukács's The Destruction of Reason. Its very interesting.
thank you for this video great analysis
Deleuze and Guattari declare Nietzsche's On the Genealogy of Morals "the great book of modern ethnology" for its success interpreting primitive economy in terms of debt and debtor-creditor relationships, and doing so without consideration of exchange or interest or placing them in structure. Then they write: "Man must constitute himself through the repression of the intense germinal influx, the great biocosmic memory that threatens to deluge every attempt at collectivity. ... All the stupidity and the arbitrariness of the laws, all the pain of the initiations, the whole perverse apparatus of repression and education, the red-hot irons, and the atrocious procedures have only this means: to breed man, to mark him in his flesh, to render him capable of alliance, to form him within the debtor-creditor relation, which on both sides turns out to be a matter of memory -- a memory straining toward the future." (Anti-Oedipus, 1972)
I loved this, thank you
My favorite channel ❤
Is it correct to say that Nietzsche’s philosophy is mapping onto the anarchist project? (The emancipatory one, not the anarcho-capitalist bastardization)
anarchists - like Emma Goldman - certainly found Nietzsche useful and inspiring (and many still do).
More stirnerian
I believe Nietzsche was more inclined towards an aristocratic way of organizing society.
Thanks!
Sorry, but I’m not buying the Deleuzian reinterpretation of Nietzsche. For example, Deleuze wants to make Nietzsche’s concept of the “eternal return” far more complicated than what it actually is. It is simply a thought experiment where you become so life affirming that you would live your life together with all of its disappointments and suffering over and over again if given a choice.
Well that's Deleuze's explicit approach.
He's very clear that he's not claiming that his reading is what Nietzsche meant. He says as much.
He's clear that he's using Nietzsche's concepts to develop his own versions.
It's actually a very Nietzschian way of reading. It's Deleuze's and Nietzsche's instances of the will to power meeting creatively.
@@TheYopogo Well, if that’s the case, to use the term “misconceptions” in the title in inaccurate.
Deleuze purposely cherry picks parts of Nietzsche. I assume this channel picked Deleuzes interpretation bc of deleuze’s Lacanian background, which fits in with the surrounding topics on this channel.
There's suggestions in his notes that Nietzsche might have considered the Eternal Return more than an intellectual exercise. This is more where Deleuze based his interpretation on.
The eternal return and ubermensch strike me as traps, pharmakon for "concept idolators".
Present!
Thanks again and again for this, Prof. Julian!
Looking forward for more Lacan and Nietzsche's contents. 😊
I believe I speak on behalf of everyone here if I say that we'd love to see Zizek in comparison to Nietzsche video.
I've read a lot of early Marx and Nietzsche and I see a great similarity in their work, I wonder if it has something to do with their brief dalliances with the pre-Socratics, specifically Democritus and Heraclitus.
I understood most of the topics but I didnt really understand the part about the child, thank you for explaining, Im past my lion stage and its ok to have a playful nature as child without all the battle and confrontation.
you should do an episode on against the dialectic
*please do an episode on against the dialectic, professor.
I feel soothed every time you pronounce Deleuze not “De loos”
I always read it like de le ooze
Again some nietzsche. Yes. Thank you Mr. Medeiros
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An analysis into Nietzsche’s and Foucault’s philosophies of power here: th-cam.com/video/ArnP7_jMGCY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DOv6DMkhMoczfldN
Is the reason why so many misunderstand Nietzsche's eternal recurrence that they haven't read the book? Since I read the book I see it as a clear thought experiment: it is a test of if you are living your life in the manner you want/should. The thought experiment is introduced as such: "What if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness, and say to you..." (The Gay Science).
I.e., the main point: you should lead a life that you would be willing to repeat eternally.
Well shoot. That's everything I thought I knew 🤦😂🖖
Sure by changing the meaning of every word you can make anyone believe that Nietzsche said the exact opposite of what he actually said
"They would rather believe in The Devil
than in Life."
He may have said there are no facts, only interpretations but to Deleuze takes his interpretation too far into territory that completely misrepresents Nietzsche. He kind of defanged or declawed Nietzsche with his analysis which is obviously influenced by his leftist political leanings.
nice haircut mate
Nietzsche is not so anti- Hegelian he maybe wants to be, just remember for example master and slave dialectics. I have always thought his biggest enemy is Platos Socrates, that is to say , the " God like" ( moral) reasoning itself, aka virtues.
And yes, Nietzsche , like Hegel believes in progress, but in this sense I think N is a fascist and elitist , maybe an elitist would be better word, cause he hated nationalism. In Geneality of morals he wrote: to speeding up destruction of the majority, that would be progress", so he is not a socialist, that what is certain.
Eternal return is not thought experience cause Nietzsche doesn't believe in free will, I think. Heidegger would be big help to understand this concept, I think Nietzsche tried to prove that time is an illusion, cause we need this ( time) in order to suppres our memory, it's about recursion, tail recursion if you will, kind of primitive trivial cases who change history, like Nietzsche himself or Julius Ceasar alea yacta est, only one flip of a coin is allowed, in certain moment you cross a river and flip a coin, this is a true faith test, amor fati and overman.
Still, Nietzsche adored Napoleon and Goethe for example that exhibit some kind of strength or mastery tbh... He also talked about the love-hate relalationship to the Sheep, in turn implying that he prefers the master mentality even though he has some sympathy for how the weak seem to overcome. I'm not convinced about this interpretation of Nietzsche. This is more a Deleuze interpretation of Nietzsche which should be clarified in the clickbate title.
The quality of comments here is very low. How many misinterpretations of Nietzsche!
Nietzsche may not have been a fascist, but his philosophy is definitely a breeding ground for fascism.
That's another one who neither understood a thing about Nietzsche nor from this video.
Leibniz may not have been a moron, but his philosophy is definitely a breeding ground for morons.
@@ouaeeshommous Understanding Nietzsche correctly is irrelevant. It's how he is understood or can be understood.
@@GottfriedLeibnizYT that's a very different point from your initial one which is completely a reductionist one. Many, if not every, philosopher or philosophical text could be misinterpreted and be a ground for many extreme thoughts and especially fascism. And this selective process is usually not a misunderstanding, but rather a deliberate process to rationalise fascism, and that does not make this idea or that "definitely a breading ground for fascism". This is insane!
@@ouaeeshommous Copium.
What is a master other then an individual blind to one half of reality like a child scared of the dark?
Neich is the champion of western narcissism i guess
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