How to make simple carbon fiber panels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2013
- This video shows the basics of carbon fiber lay up, step by step for vacuum bagging. The Carbon Fiber fabric used in this video is not what you would normally see. This fabric has a binding agent that helped hold the weave together making the lay up easier for instruction purposes. Your tradtional fabrics would be much looser and easier to mold in three demensional molds. Take a look, and ask any questions you may have.
The number one question I get asked is where to buy some of the carbon fiber products I have used in some of my videos. The answer is not an easy one because there are a ton of products and vendors out there, but if you are considering to try and make some carbon fiber here are a few links to get you started.
Starter Kits
Carbon Fiber Starter Kit - 2x2 Twill 36" x 6" - amzn.to/2crBYhu
Carbon Fiber Starter Kit - 2x2 Twill 36" x 14" - amzn.to/2bHUgFj
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Carbon Fiber Fabric
Carbon Fiber Fabric - 3K, 2 X 2 - Twill Weave - 1 yd Roll - amzn.to/2cflMP1
Carbon Fiber Fabric 6K 2 x 2 Twill Weave - 50" Wide - 5 yd Roll - amzn.to/2ccS22a
Epoxy Resin Kits
Epoxy Resin Kit, 3/4 Gallon, High Strength, Easy Wet-Out, Parts A & B Included - amzn.to/2bDle3R
Vacuum Bagging Supplies
Vacuum Pump - amzn.to/2ccPEsc
Bagging Film - amzn.to/2bK0UfX
Sealant Tape - amzn.to/2bC7J7i
Vac Bag Connector - amzn.to/2ccQLs4
Breather Ply - amzn.to/2bC77yG
Release / Peal Ply - amzn.to/2ccQCF5
Infusion Flow Media - amzn.to/2cfmD29 (only need if doing infusion)
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@Joni Papuli I have no idea. What makes you think its cheap to make?
cjcompositestechnology. c o m 20 a yard
Yea a yard of fiber is cheap but it takes a more then a yard to make something. I used 6 layers on the intake I made which was probably 4 yards plus the resin was $50 just for the intake. You also have cost in breather cloth, vac bag, and peal ply. Everything adds up fast.
i used 3 yards for 1 prerlude fender first layer 2x2 twill sec layer Uni Directional carbon last layer 2x2 twill 6oz 68 bucks for the fiber per fender 49 for resin.mold cost 200 for the mold set 109 for a 5 gallon bucket of resin bondo graphite and resin for gel coat 60 bucks 50 yard roll of chop strand mat . 317 for a set of 1500 dollar's fenders with the leftover supply's i made dash glove box and center console facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=344463578962135&set=a.344463565628803.80906.100001954886155&type=1&theater
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I was just curious
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Gotta love Twill weave!
Thanks for the video, taking the time to explain the vacuum bagging process and how to do it right! Really appreciate your time and effort and putting this video up here!
Chris White thanks for the feedback, glad I was able to help
I need to make something similar and I do want to vacuum the air out. Always thought I would need infusion resin which is thinner. But looks like regular resin applied with brush and later vacuuming will get good result. Thank you!
YAY FLEXIBLE CARBON FIBER PANELS!!!!!!!!!! Someone fucked up on mixing up the hardener.
Carbon fiber looks awesome, I want whole my house made of it.
Great video. Real cool way of doing it. Thanks!
Well done, this video shows me the basics on how to do my first project.
No it doesn't, zero explanation of steps or materials used.
Good work! Hope I can also learn some day! I need a new hobby!
The music sounds like several minutes of "mop mop hey you're a turkey."
yergaderga interesting
+Samuel Mason How on Earth did you get to that conclusion? Haha
I am now saying "mop mop hey you're a turkey" to the beat over and over again. hahaha thanks. 😩
+yergaderga hahahahahahahahhahahahah wtf soo oddly true
yergaderga Oml now I can't hear anything else
I must say I am a huge fan of your channel it seems there is not anything you can't fabricate and it is refreshing to be able to watch someone that shows you the right way to do things when TH-cam is flooded with so many hacks thanks
thanks man
Thank You for making this video. I found it very informative and helpful.
The vacuum bag demo was especially helpful.
thanks for the feedback...glad I could help
You're putting the fibers in same direction on both layers.. and the abs bend could easily be cut and glued back at angle. Looks great tho.
Wouldn't the panel have been stronger if you would have alternated the weave so that they crossed with each layer? It may be this part did not need the additional strength but am I correct in thinking the alternate weave would be stronger?
Thanks for sharing this, very valuable and your video was clear and HD is always a plus...;)
Nice video man. I'm looking at doing a fee carbon fiber pieces for a snow rig. Nice and light! Thanks for an awesome video!
I loved the relaxed and calm way you work, great video man! Thanks for it :)
thanks
what did u use to to vaccuum seal it?
A seal and a vacuum cleaner...duh!
Shouldn't you have put a layer of the resin between the layers? (for the purpose of better resin penetration?) Also why not go give a margin of error by giving an extra cm of material on each edge that could be trimmed down after?
also what is the cure time and set temperature for your resin?
I did put layers of resin between each layer. I usually do use excess fabric but for this part it wasn't needed.
on this project it took several hours to kick at room temperature. I currently use a resin that kicks in about an hours at 75-80 degrees
What is best carbon fiber for getting into tight places and contours ?????
Good basic vid....I used to do professional lay-up and vac bag and you did a good job.
Good video, thanks!
I almost put the soaker on first, then the peel ply. Glad I watched this video!
Matthew Barnard glad I was able to help
Looks nice, but seems the original part was stiffer.
That's what she said.
original prob had more layers to it
But was it lighter??
Of course the original part was stiffer! Look at the two thicknesses!
I dont even know what the hell this guy tried to do, copying original part trying to make it "better" with CF, ending into lighter part but floppy and unusable. Point of wasting carbon ?
Its just made of some ABS plastic
Do you leave any drying time in between layers?
no because I want all the layers to dry together under the compression of the vacuum bag
Ok thanks
By the way good video
Thanks...appreciate the feedback
darude - sandstorm
Might have to make some carbon fiber glasses with this simple technique ! Well dam thank you !!
Very cool. I'm looking into making a hood and some doors for my Solstice. Probably a little big for the vacuum bag approach, but your video helped clear up quite a few things. Thanks for taking the time.
David Lively No problem.
I like your pink scissors (01:35)
thanks
The wife has the same pair
Girl: "Daddy look what I made"
Dad: "You must take after your mother. Look at my bad ass carbon fiber panel"
Wow!
Just discovered this video, and really digging the shirt.
I have been watching your channel for years and absolutely love it.
thanks man
I'm really intrigued and might have to try and tackle some projects of my own.
I'm going to carbon fiber the crap out of ever thing now
+Jeff Wenz lol...thats awesome. That was my goal. We have a lot going on here for some inspiration: thefabforums.com/main/index.php?board=34.0
i love vid man but it is a little slow
here in 2019 thinking dam bro you sure have come a long way!! keep on rising my brother!!
Thanks for the video 👍🏻 can you share any details about the vacuum fitting for the bag? Cheers!
A how to with no how to. Drop the music and how bout some voice over. What product are you using why are you putting the resin on like that, what temp is appropriate for doing this kind of work ?
ashcan1979 its an old video of mine.
ashcan1979 "Published on Sep 9, 2013" Maybe don't be a dick for no reason.
***** it can still be old footage published recently
Zach Plier .....I realize that. But this video is damn near two years old. If you're going to criticize a video, do it to a newer one. Not a two year old one.
do you not have eyes? I could easily form my own carbon fiber panel just by watching this, he showed every step, BUT THE VACUUMING... That legally blind stuff must suck.
Why didnt you use any kind of ply orientation? The 4 plys need to be at atleast a 0° 90° -45° 45° to make it strong. And the project was soft, cuz u didn't cure the resin under any heat.
I did, if you watch when I am cutting the fabric you will notice each layer is oriented different
Vary well, nice video BTW :-)
thanks
Thumbs up for the little girl helping her daddy at 3:50 min. That's so awesome seeing family in the picture. Kind of brings everything into perspective doesn't it?
collosus simpson Thanks...Love when the kids hang out in the shop with me.
Thank you very much for this video!!!! Im going to deff start making things for my car.
Carbon fiber dash, body parts, internal parts and lots more.
I could use my current dash as a stencil right?
For sure.
So where the fuck we get all this -.-
I have a resource section on thefabforums.com with all kinds of suppliers listed.
Damn that thing looks flimsy...
It is
Won't dent though lol
Great vid!
It looks pretty straight forward!
It really is. Especially if the parts you are trying to make are pretty flat
Why is this so satisfying to watch
jaden varela lol... I have no idea
Cos youre not the one getting covered in sticky shit.
The music sucked more than that vacuum. SO EFFING ANNOYING!!
lol...thanks for your feedback
lol..some people are just haters
TheFabForums.com Exactly, as if they couldnt figure out how to turn the sound down...
Thank you for uploading, i appriciate the time it took to edit! :)
stertheder always gonna have those that hate. Thanks for the feedack
hmmmm I've done quite alot of carbon moulding & I've never came across any carbon fibre sheets like that 1 piece, zero fibre you've used here
1st you'd never cut genuine sheets on top of any fibre sheets as the fine strands get everywhere & can screw any work up within a millisecond
2nd you'd never touch any fibre sheet with sticky fingers as again you'd move the individual fibre strands aka screwing your work up within milliseconds
then there's the vacuuming ok that was fine but Erm the soft very flexible sheet produced hmm very odd a single sheet of genuine carbon fibre with resin even without being vacuumed, produces a stiff not very flexible sheet unlike what's shown here...
this looks more like the eBay style item which in essence turn out to be plastic imitation carbon plastic sheet with resin on top.... seriously just no
Lol...you should have read all the other comments and watched all my other "real carbon fiber" videos before spending so much time telling someone things they already know.
+The Fab Forums then why give a miss leading video/title if uknow the tips wouldn't help anyone else trying to create carbon parts.... I've just had a flick through your videos & Yeh you've uploaded alot of genuine carbon parts but this "in the video" come on....... it looks like you've made some blumming good carbon parts this vid lets you down
+Mal Peacock Its not miss leading. The idea was to show the steps/layers involved in a vac bag layup. Which I did. The CF fabric I used was a genuine Carbon Fiber Fabric with a binding agent...designed to be used on non contoured shapes. When producing the video I didnt think the state of the fabric would get so many panties in a bunch, but I guess I was wrong. Whats crazy is I have yet to see one person that has criticized my video to actually have there own carbon fiber video youtube.
+The Fab Forums that's understandable to a point, regarding the carbon videos... yes I'd agree, however I know I've made parts only made, tested upon trial fitment & implemented for use... & never even considered recording the process (that was also to minimise ppl copying the idea of the part created
regarding the carbon used here I've never seen nor heard of this hence why I've made the comment.. if it's a genuine carbon "my apology" I'm only used to the full on fabric which is annoying to work with. hence the points I've mentioned as even touching the sheet would cause issues as uknow....
Erm regarding the binding agent, I'd mention that in the description for ppl to understand
+The Fab Forums Im a composite boat builder, building race yachts from carbon fibre prepreg and resin infusion for many years, including americas cup yachts. That looks very weak like the resin needs a post cure to fully cure or its not mixed properly? also you didnt wet out layer 1 before layer 2 went down was that just because its a quick how to guide or you trying to soak extra resin up? also im more interested in is what weight was this cloth? 200gram? looks so flimsy. not knocking it all the steps were correct although the peel ply mentioned was actually holy plastic, peel ply is put down before hand to give a rough surface when removed that is easy to give a quick sand before secondary bonding if thats involved, obviously not in this case. nice cheap quick easy mould too +
Go for it...it doesn't take long to get it figured out.
Awesome video
Looks like somebody needs help with her homework.
yea we are a team for sure
A L L - W R O N G
lol...do you have some vids of the "right" way?
Yes...under Fiberglast * Fiberglass Coatings * Tap Plastics.
What about Carbon Fiber?
What about......?..... the names I gave you are suppliers of Fiberglass, Carbon F, Kevlar, Resin materials... In their vast library of fiberglass and carbon fiber how to videos, you will see how it is done correctly...not the back yard way...the SFI way!
I watched your videos
What an Awesome video! Great Video tutorial on Carbon Fiber! Sweet finished Product!
thanks
love the tuff wheel II in the back
Nice video... but you should never handle carbon fiber without gloves.
Fibers may get into your veins and reach your heart. May cause a stroke.
Thanks for the feedback
TheFabForums.com Always wear eye protection and etc, gas mask, blabla.
Great video, but CF is dangerous when cut or sanded!
TheFabForums.com ya n i saw ur kid around there. come on dude
Perfectly safe...
San J
My son is always in the garage with me, I take offense to your ignorance.
Thx for not explaining any of the resins you used, useless tutorial...
Great video man. Taught me something new forsure
good deal...glad I was able to help
@fabforums what is the temperature resistance of this?
At what “constant” temperature would the glue start becoming toxic?
Thank you :)
depends on the epoxy. some are made for high temp environments
Good effort, bad tutorial. It was nice of this guy to take his time and do the video, but he did it wrong, here's why: True carbon fiber composite is supposed to be stiff by nature, very stiff. It doesn't need "contours" to be stiff. If you want to make something that's stronger than cheap plastic and looks good, then this video is great for that. If you're trying to make proper CF composite, don't follow this video, look elsewhere.
Michael R. Zupcak lol...you have no idea what your talking about.
TheFabForums.com I do, and I'm not the only one here who's told you what's what. You failed at making proper carbon fiber, get over it.
Michael R. Zupcak you are right, you are not the only one. I have had several tell me what I did was wrong, although none of them have any videos on their own channel showing the "proper" way to make carbon fiber. Including you! My advise to you is make your own videos, get at least ONE subscriber and then you might have a little clout when it come to telling someone else they don't know what they are doing. Let me know when get your video up Mr. Cupcak and I will be sure to take notes.
TheFabForums.com I don't have to make my own carbon fiber to tell you yours is wrong. Just like I don't have to go run for congress if I want to criticize my local representative. Also, I've been getting Cupcaked since I was about 7.
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Trust fund babies have absolutely nothing better to do
this video is too long, should of sped up the video or edit out more of the unnecessary. like I dont need to sit here for 2 minutes just seeing him spread mold release, let him do a few strokes then cut it to the next step. The info and content is good, which is why i clicked in the first place, but the delivery was just so boring.
lol...thanks for the feedback
Agreed
I agree! All that length of high resolution video amounts to only a few dozen bytes worth of information!
You might be interested in this short new:
www.xccarbonfiber.com/news/the-detailed-introduction-of-carbon-fiber-sheet
Thanks for the vid man, Going to do some interior stuff for the 67 c10. To do something like a center console, how many layers would you suggest?
possmguts Nice truck...love me some C10's. For a center console I would use at least 8-10 layers if you are using 5.7oz cloth. You can use less layers if you use a heavier cloth. I would also suggest using some thin foam in the middle of you layer stack. It will make it much stronger in the areas where you use it.
Nice & clean job.
thanks for the feedback
I have fiberglass repairs to make on a sailboat. Would this bag and vacuum method work on a large project like that and would the carbon fiber adhere to fiberglass? Would the repair be stronger than a regular fiberglass repair?
guys im thinking of wrapping my side mirrors and parts of my interior to carbon fibre but im also considering the effects it gonna have for wrapping. Is it true that if the carbon fibre or any other coloured wraps is on my exterior of the car, it will get damaged due to rain or heat? And is it true that if the carbon fibre is on the interior eg. door handles once it gets scratched u need to replace with a new wrap to look nice? Also, when i want to peel off the wrap, will it leave behind any unnecessary scars and can it be removed?
You can get the carbon fiber clear coated
^ The truth
Thanx for showing us how easy it is to do this. Also thank you for taking the time to explain the breather cloth as that bit confused me but now makes sense. So many people wouldn't explain that. Stay Awesome :) :) :) :) :) :)
BEN HOWMAN Thanks or the feedback Ben
Your Welcome :)
Do you think I can skin the 2015 wrx front lip, side skirt, and rear spats in carbon fiber? I was thinking about buying 12in carbon fiber tape and trying it out, but I don't know how long it would hold up and how well it would turn out.
+Krishan Govin if you just want to skin it I would go with the 3m carbon fiber wrap
your vid is so cool. but I would like to know if I was to use wire mesh as my form could I lay the fiberglass the same as you did and then put the vac on there? I was thinking to bag the hole thing and leave the wire in the middle.
you could do that. The wire mesh may make the part heavy though. A lot of people stretch fleece over a frame and coat with resin. Once the resin hardens they use that as a base for their carbon or glass.
hello, thanks for showing the video and the process.
i would like to ask, how long time have the vacuum pump run to for?
You want to keep vacuum on the part until the resin has cured. All resins have a different cure rate.
I commented on this one. I did watch the bracket plate last night. couldn't find finish product of alternator bracket but I'm sure it's awesome.
+Ryan Fischer Yea I have not finished the alt bracket just yet
Any way you could share what vacuum pump and valve you're using in this video? and also how much vacuum pressure is ideal for a project like this, as in inHg?
I just use a standard vac pump (not sure brand) and I vac all my stuff at 25 inches.
so will i need the mold release and will space saving storage bags work since its a vacuum bag? if i make a mold out of sheet metal will that work instead of plastic?
+budget_ build yes yes and yes
What’s the plastic film on top of the carbon fibre? Like the one that allows you to separate the top and fibre
Amazing job!
thanks
say if i wanted to make a carbon fibre version of my dashboard, could I use my original dashboard as the base to lay carbon fiber on, or do i have to draw it out and everything?
yeah you could do that
Im making a carbon fiber swith plate for a switch on my boat. What is best tool to use to cut out the opening for the switch? Should I precut it before wrapping or after?
Every day metal drill bit is fine after the part is made. Carbon has low sheer strength against the weave, so make sure it is supported with a block of wood behind when you drill.
I have a list of places that sell everything you will need on thefabforums website under the buyer resource section.
ok so let's say I have an older panel I built for a project. Now the project changed, and I need to modify the panel. Can I scuff the panel and add or change sections of carbon weave and re-resin the new areas to the original panel? and then re-bake?
Great videos, you make some cool stuff
Thanks...I really appreciate the feedback.
Hey I need you to recheck the link to the pump. It sends you to a pump that may or may not come with the pump. Would like a new link up
what did you used to locate the exat hole position that look like white impresson on carbon fiber part
just a sharpie
Really enjoyed learning more information on carbon fiber diy
Sweet...you should give it a shot
I've carbon fiber wraped strut caps and shifter bezel on my charger. I'm thinking of tackling a cai tubing with a k@n filter. Still researching unsure on method for tubing and radius's. I could tig up aluminum and wrap it but I want the lightweight strength of solid carbon fiber.
Have you seen my carbon fiber tube videos?
Hi, may I ask what's the black plastic mold base material you using in this video? Thank you.
its just some ABS plastic
I would like to discuss sending you a part to make into carbon fiber. What's the best way to contact you?
simple and in depth. thanks for the video
No problem...thanks for watching
you make it look so simple
good job
cheers
thanks o appreciate it
so do you keep the pump on until it completly hardens or just until it sucks it down enough and then just clamp off the hose
This narration is spot on. I've never seen a tut where they explain everything so thoroughly. Should really get an award for writing.
Morgan Norman Glad you like it
What is the stuff at the core? Is it light? If not what would you recommend for core material that is feather light? It is for r.c. aircraft.
What size vacuum pump are you using? Great video too👍🏽
Hi. I´d like to know what is the specification of this carbon fiber sheet that you used. Thanks.
I am not sure. It was just some extra stuff that I acquired. Sorry
Sir what do you call the mold of ehic cf is placed
hey where did you buy that c.f cloth that does not flake and makes sharp edges???
so im watching this thinking why not use an actual vacuum bag rather than going trough all the trouble to make one on top of your mold? and also say i wanted to make parts more intricate are their thinner plys on cf that could be used to reach further in? im thinking about making custom cf headlights for my miata. thanks in advance
andrew herbert The main idea with this video was to show the process. I could have used a bag but it would show what folks would need to do if a bag would not work.
Very informative video man thanks
no problem. thanks for watching
+Fab Forums , any idea how to make it 6mm thick ? how many layers needed , thanks
depends on the fabric thickness you use
Nice man i will try make some thing for my motorcycle
Good video makes me want to try it.!
+Matt Feldhouse thanks
meu amigo, sei que não é sua area , mais os quadros de bicicleta em fibra de carbono são feitos com qual materia junto a fibra de carbono ? Obrigado
can I make a body part for my car with this material?
Do the base coat resin have harder in it? Where can I get some carbon cloth
the base coats do have resin. I have several carbon cloth suppliers listed here on my site. thefabforums.com/main/index.php?topic=549.0
Nice result.
thanks...I wish I would have put some ribs in for rigidity.
how does the breather cloth soak up the extra resin, when you have a release ply in-between the carbon and the breather?
billybong14c The release ply that I use, has hundreds of little holes evenly spaced over the entire sheet which allows the resin to come through.
i didnt know that could be possible to work carbon fiber in your home. Nice video
Yea I have several complex carbon vids on my channel
pretty cool man, thanks for the vid.
thanks I appreciate the feedback
You should do my dashboard from my Honda 93 Hatch back..like how much will I spend?
I had a wacky question. I am fiber glassing a roof this week. Imagine that instead of a multi-directional glass fiber matt I used carbon fiber matt and therefore carbon fiber my flat roof. Has anyone done that? Would it be water proof? Would that work? would it look cool or completely weird?