338 All Fixed? No More Breaking Sickle Bars on the JD Hay Cutter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- After breaking brand new sickle bars every year on her John Deere 1219 Hay Cutter (mower conditioner), you all suggested some great ideas on what may have played a factor.
Farm Girl disassembles the cutter bar guards and shows how to reassemble the cutterbar guards correctly and a few easy to miss solutions that may have caused the cutter bar to break in the first place..
Why does my haybine keep breaking sickle bars?
How to replace a haybine sicklebar
How to install guards on a haybine
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I go over a few more details on why I thought the cutter bar was breaking previously, in the next video, so I'll add them here:
I had been tightening the cutter bar pin bolt to "gouldintight" (as tight as you can get it). I noticed when I did that on the new cutterbar PRIOR to installing the guards and hold downs, THEN CORRECTLY torqued the bolt down at the very end, the pin shifted in the hole. For me, "TIGHT" was about 75lbs of torque. The pin required 160 lbs. I had to switch to Erik's torque wrench to achieve it because it had a longer handle to achieve the full 160lbs.
If the pin isn't correctly torqued, it WILL shift slightly in the hole and cause the bar to twist slightly as it moves.
Secondly, the last guard and hold down had been drilled out to make room for the cutterbar, but likely was still making slight contact with it. By switching to the regular guard/holddown I was hoping to eliminate that final problem.
Then of course making sure the cutterbar didn't have too much downward pressure on the knives from the guards and hold downs. By installing them AFTER installing the cutterbar, they better align and naturally achieve the correct gap.
He could have made a little easier doing that if you had either a light sheet of plywood to set on a lay on while you're doing that also cardboard sheets of cardboard works well to work on under equipment then after so long the cardboards can be recycled
I really admire the effort & thought youve put into this. Looking forward to seeing you & the machine out there kicking butt :)
a few minutes with a old guy sickle bar mechanic would do wonders for your situation....good luck
I have a JD 820 sickle bine similar to yours. For the front combing head, one of those bars has a pin on the right side that can be pulled to rotate the tines away from the work area to give you more space.
It makes it a lot easier to work under there.
At least you figured out!!!
And that is some very good information for everyone who has one of those moco . That's Suzanne
Been welding 37 years, those welds are absolutely fine. They were done with a robot it appears and has very good penetration and thickness. Should have no problems with them.
Ok, sounds good!
@@This1LifeWeLive Thats just spatter you see, doesn't hurt or affect the weld in any way. If you want to see what a bad weld looks like, you should see what was done to the 1209 I just bought. Cringe worthy.
that weld is good.. oh i hate replacing the knife in those things.
The cost is a killer :( I could have swapped heads, but didn't have time to mess with it.
@@This1LifeWeLive I wouldn't you might weaken it f
Hi Sue, loved watching you repairer your hay cutter, hope your well you are looking tired. But I guess you have just been busy. Your friend in OZ
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Lol yes exhausted for sure! Finally finished hay this morning, now uts clean up and trying to clean the house 😂🙈
Surprised by the riveted sickle sections, been using bolts for many years combine and hay equipment. So much nicer than rivets when replacing worn or broken ones. Last new bar I bought came with bolts. They're sized so they fit the rivet holes in the bar.
LOVE your thumbnail pictures!!!
Still working on perfectign them . . . click through rate isn't as high as I'd like . .
They look good tho!
Those are good welds, the bubbles are called spatter.
Hope that it all works out for you.
Good morning, nothing like getting up and watching your work and watch your video. 👍👍👍👍👍👍. You soon will be able to open up a garage fixing farm equipment 😆😆.
😆 maybe when I am 50!
So far so good, Suzanne! I pray you've fixed it; I know you learned a lot more than you ever wanted to know about haybines, but that info will certainly be valuable in the future.... Great/fun video series! Good job!
This is very true. But hopefully I can cross apply the knowledge into something else down the road in the most unlikely of ways ;D
Hello sweetheart that was a hard job , good job, . Can’t wait to see it in action!. Take care !.
Thankyou my dear! The baler was 10x worse though 😂😂🙊🙈. Those videos will be coming, hopefully cutting video will be tomorrow!
yes girl them are really nice looking welds
That looked pretty straight, with the guards all tight, it should be pretty damned good, can't wait for the next chapter, great job
Well of course it is fixed... well till it beaks again. Hopefully all your hard work has paid off. Thanks for sharing the experience.
Good luck. I hope it works for you!! You’ve put so much time and effort into it. I admire your dedication and patience. Fingers crossed for ya!!!
Thank you so much!
I hope you got it sorted out 🙂
I would not install that new cutter bar as it will break like the rest as you have not sorted out the issue causing the fluctuating stress on the bar. It is either the pitman arm or the wobble box..No weld no matter how good it is will prevent breaking again. Pity to see a new cutter bar breaking when it can be avoided
your spot on......new bar/guards/hold downs are about cut quality not the breaking issue ....fixing a haybine shouldnt be this difficult
As stated in my pinned comment, my video clip explaining what had happened seemed to be missing. The first 2 guards on the bar were not in the correct position, which was causing the cutter bar to kick out everytime it hit. Second issue was the pitman arm bolt holding in the pin was only tight, about 70 lbs torque when it needed to be 160. This allowed a slight shift of the cutterbar as well which I noticed while installing it.
Were I to rip apart the wobble box on a hunch I would no longer have time to cut the hay. And while I MIGHT save $400 on a possible broken new bar, I'd lose several hundred more by not cutting.
The arc swing on the pitman arm was perfect. It seemed to me that if it were "off" it would swing slightly differently one side to the other. Both sides when swung right to left measured exactly the same.
The saga continues! I think you have it beat this time!
Take care!
Oh don't worry, I'm trading one problem for another ;D
Great repair job glad it all worked out for you.
Great video like the puppy take your bag of parts
Sure thing 👍
Weld looks fine it's done in pulse spray by the looks just how it is. Pretty sure it won't go anywhere
Kyle, your right on the weld, it won't brake that's how their all made now, plus she won't be cutting many acres when do it will be just fine an last!
@@bryanginder5903 run pulse spray all day every day at work can pick that profile out 100 miles away.
Just picked you up from Coles channel. This will be fun watching a "city girl" become educated in farming/country life. One glaring thing tho, Why don't you have a battery impact wrench yet? Yes, its good to learn/use hand tools before power but watching you seemingly always struggling with the ratchet sends my ocd brain into a "that should take 20 seconds instead of 5 minutes" thought. Just from what I've seen today, I know you have what it takes to be completely successful in all your endeavours. I've trained plenty of women over the years and you generally retain more in less time and have more finesse mechanically than a lot of guys do. Don't ever doubt yourself, you can do anything you want to. ;)
Hmm.. good point! And the first to mention it! We have 2 impacts, a large one (used in a few videos earlier for stubborn nuts) and a smaller one. We bought the large one after having a few tire issues 2 years ago. Prior to that, I used the small impact often . . . After getting the large one I forgot about the small one! You are certainly right though!
Looking through the parts manual, if you don't have one, get one! For the non clog setup like you have, the end guards are the closed type. That NH one you put on will work, but JD has a single closed guard for left and right. Hate to say it, but you will need to get one of each and reposition all the guards so it is set up correctly. It is actually the regular knife guard cut in the middle to make a left and right, so you could actually use that red one and cut it in two.
Hay Farm Girl 👧 you’re getting good at this 👍 160lbs!!! Yeah that will make a difference. Had trouble getting the SS eh? Btw ss doesn’t need anti-seize. That’s the point. Farming is tough 💪 Good thing you’re tougher 💪💪
The first set was the rwong size :( And I'm sure it didn't need antisieze, lol, I was just being overly cautious ;D
Uuum those are great looking welds. Justsayin.
I just hope everything you worked on pays off, you need to have job well done by now. Praying for it. Good luck WTF. Thanks for sharing.
You would hope it would be done by now . . . so did I! 😆😭
Tricky and so frustrating go on ya mate for trying again an again have a day love from TEXAS
Wtf farm girl keep making awesome videos on your channel alot i love watching your channel alot every day i will never stop watching your channel keep up the great work on channel say safe and healthy with your family i hope this will get better soon 😀
The sickle bar hold down guards can be hit with a hammer to close up the gap between the cutter bar and guards. The guards are designed to be adjusted that way.
and guards are made to be bent up/down if needed to get a level cutter bar bed....these type parts are not perfect and need "modeled" bent....she will figure it out ...or trade it off and someone will get a great machine
If push came to shove I could totally do that. It fit nearly perfect when I installed everything, until I torqued the pitman arm bolt don then it caused the bar to rise slightly :P
Farm girl your crew kinda run off 😁 but you got it done anyway 💪👍 you did it by the manual it should work fine enjoyed the video thanks for sharing
Had one of those long long time ago.guards bent easily if hit a pebble in field. Love my disc bine guards way below rorating lawn mower like short blades elimanitating that problem. I know ur getting one. Nice job on that headache u got tho.
Poor Baby. I sure hope you have the solution. Happy Autumn. Those welds were likely done with a robot and look very good to me (Inspector for Decades). Continuous and likely lots of penetration. Not sure why you went with Stainless Steel bolts as they do not have the Tensile Strength of Carbon Steel ones. It would appear that the back side of those clamps need to be higher so force can be applied at the front to press the bar tighter to the ledger plate / bottom stationary cutting edge. Pack some additional grease in those needle bearings. You might consider removing both wheels and have a garage flip the tires that are wearing prematurely on the inside to the other side of the wheel.
Out of alignment somewhere.
I had several suggestions in earlier videos to use them to prevent rusting . . .
@@This1LifeWeLive That they will do. SS is tough but not as strong as Carbon Steel. It is also softer.
And you did what before bei ng a farmer/farm equipment mechanic,, your haybine may be in good shape for next season and you will quickly diagnosis problem and adjust in no time, GOOD JOB :D
I did photo retouching for photo studios and graphic design :)
Wow... your very busy
I'm a huge fan of lock tight
Tune the rock guards clearance by tapping them up or down with a hammer to adjust them that’s how we do ours at my work
Those welds look good to me. Probably robotically done. The spatter isn't anything to be concerned with. As for the hold downs, is there an adjustable style available? That might take alot of headaches out of that job & it makes things easier to keep the knife in check as you go. Regards & my best to you with your next crop!
Hey WT Farm Girl!👋 Hope everything went well for u! 😆❤👍
Anti-seize- the mechanic's best friend.
Good move.
The Next Mechanic to work on it's friend. Every time I touch one of my bottles it's in my hair all over my face and clothes before I get back to the car I'm working on.
I used the closed guards and had them on before I inserted the the knife bar and it slid in nicely.
It will slide in, but when inserting a new knife it has slightly different picthes than the old one and the guards should be re-aligned to fit. I'm just going off what the manual stated. I will say it fit 100% better installing the guards after the bar was in place.
Great job and you look good doing it too so sweet
Good luck! *even tho you have already used it by now and know the outcome before we do* 🤣
Massey hold-downs on a JD haybine.......oh, that's Christmasy :)
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Fingers crossed and a little prayer has been asked on your behalf. I really don't think, that after all your hard work and cost, you would even attempt to cut without proper placement. Guess the next video will give us the answer! 😉😉😉
It's placed well enough to not break, just might not cut the grass as cleanly :)
🦜au and my wife 8 months pregnant used complained about washing the truck up a 6" ladder and mowing the lawns sheez's
a comedian in oz haa! 😅
There’s something especially annoying about how anti-seize gets all over one’s hands.
And those hold down are for when u change it to bolts instead of riovits
I love your vids keep it up great work 😍❤️
Must love dogs! LOL
I still like calling it a " choppy thing " 🤔😄✌✌ see you on the next video 👋
Did you have to take all of the guards off to get the broken bar out? We broke the end off of ours and have nothing to tie to to pull it out.
Be awiting to hear what the result was ??
Would not be surprised if you have to pull it apart again to reset it !!
I don't know if i missed something but I could not see the cutting edge ??
Sometimes what I think I am showing on cam I don't quite catch!
I'm a sub lol 😆
Big mistake and costly to use SS bolts. SS is soft and will not tighten down as well as grade 5 or grade 8 bolts.
They are actually brittle due to the chromium, need to keep an eye on things for broken bolts...
Stainless is equivalent of a grade 5. She'll be fine.
Those dots on ur cutter are weld spatter nothing to worry about it's from them welding it
Ok, thank you!
Sending g good luck to you Suzanne
Thanks!
Good woman Suzanne, no bother to ya 👍😷🇺🇲🇮🇪
What do you guys think about "cross tightening" the bolts for the cutting bar rather than starting from the one end and working to the other?
no need ....only 2 bolts on each guard affect each other
I was just following the order stated in the manual . . .
Sorry I just seen you with the lube awesomeness right there
Now that u got all new parts try not to run the guards in the ground in high places in the feild .just saying. It cost money to be a farmer but u got to keep going. It looks good
I always lift it along ditches so it doesn't hit the ground. The first time I broke it was in a HUGE grassy ditch (rented field) and I had the hydraulics reveresed and sent it down instead of up :(
I had better luck with closed guards on my haybine when we got it . it had opened guards on it and we found out it did not protect the knifes so I switched to closed guards
full guards are great for protecting the knives and horrible to clog on heavy grass hay like she is cutting......open guards are much better cutters but susceptible to damage...pick your poision
We don't have issues breaking blades (unless they hit a guard). We have no rocks or branches to worry about.
A inch of weld can pick up one ton 😥
I worry about someone lifting their head up and getting one of those pointed spears in the eye or ear... even the little doggies... their definitely cute! Hey I am a logger guy so words just don't always come out right... sounded prissy to me the way I read it. I see something that looks simple yet has caused so much grief to install. Must be a easier way wouldn't you think?? Oh well, Don't see many out in the wild parts of alaska... they have farms oh about seven hundred miles north east of me and that don't make sense either but it gets way hot the further north that you get and then like magic, Ice cold! Like the warmest day of the year and only what you can count on one hand, days of the whole year. Our hottest days are like in the high eighties in one month of the summer and the rest go down hill fast here but further north can get over a hundred and stay for a month.. no matter as this ain't about me... so stay safe an you an Eric live to be a hundred on that little ranch... I wish I could be around to see the third generation of you'ns
Suzanne I am wondering what is your favorite Bible scripture??
If you relie on GOD for a good mechanical repair you are testing your faith beyond it's limits. Knowledge and experience is what you need, for instance you would never pull 60 ft lb with that little short ratchet and only a fool believes you can acuretly tension a bolt without a tension wrench. But that's OK you like fixing and spending money, it makes good videos right. You still have not fixed the real issue, you have just repeated the work you did 12 months ago, nothing has changed. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. Cheers mate 🍻
Actually I did pull 60lbs of torque with that little torque wrench, but not the 160 for the pitman arm pin. That one I needed erik's longer torque wrench, and yes I did pull it.
You didn't REALLY look at the work I did last year, or you'd remember a key issue with one of the guards . . . the same issue I did repair this time around. Sadly my cameras haven't been recording like they should and several key items of damage showed a better picture of what's happening.
As stated in my pinned comment, my video clip explaining what had happened seemed to be missing. The first 2 guards on the bar were not in the correct position, which was causing the cutter bar to kick out everytime it hit. Second issue was the pitman arm bolt holding in the pin was only tight, about 70 lbs torque when it needed to be 160. This allowed a slight shift of the cutterbar as well which I noticed while installing it.
Were I to rip apart the wobble box on a hunch I would no longer have time to cut the hay. And while I MIGHT save $400 on a possible broken new bar, I'd lose several hundred more by not cutting.
The arc swing on the pitman arm was perfect. It seemed to me that if it were "off" it would swing slightly differently one side to the other. Both sides when swung right to left measured exactly the same.
You don't get knowledge and experience without trial and error repairs when you don't know exactly whats causing things to break, you also don't go fixing everything at once because then you don't know what caused the problem in the first place plus also spent more money and time than needed when you could be out cutting and making money.
Those stub gaurds give no protection from rocks.
Hello there Wtfarmgirl, I liked your video, I seen that you put that MF piece on the cutter bar, so what ever works, I have my fingers crossed that everything goes well, I want to mention to your Frenchton puppy that we do have froggys here in Minnesota too Haha, that wasn't Kermit the frog he are was it? 🤘🐸 🤞🤪 your little furry friends are certified JD mechanics 🚜
Hey Suzanne you little cutie remember Jesus loves you
Those welds are just fine. Nothing to be concerned about.
I hate Seiko bar mowers give me a disc mower with no conditioners any day of the week
Blimey! underserrated sections are so prone to clogging. I was using top serrated 40 yrs ago and soon changed my CLAAS combine bed to the Schumaker system that cuts alternately up and down on the fingers so needs no separate top "clamp" plates as the double fingers are shear plates both above and below the knife and the sections are correspondingly mounted up and down so the knife runs without being "lifted" by the crop underneath, which underserrated sections exaggerate and increase friction and drag not to mention having to sharpen them which is not needed with top serrated. JD & DEUTZ combines have been fitting Schumaker knives since the early 80's.
Sorry... spelling is Schumacher.
Sorry that was a major pain in the caboose
This was only the beginnng . . .
It’s interesting how you have soooo many onlookers 🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣
Teaser, teaser, not a pleaser!!!!
Welds are beautiful 😍 not like you beautiful but they are good. Stainless hardware requires lube like antisieze not KY that won't work
Should have just dumped it and bought a new holland they are much more reliable. Stainless steel bolts are not as strong and they gall the threads if you don't use anti-seize
WTFingercrossed video.X.
I hope you had it blocked up so it couldn’t drop on you!
I always keep the safety lock pin in whenever it's not in use.
Another week til the next vid ?
Well if it takes a while for a video, you know I'm busy in the barn or on the field ;D Hopefully Monday for next one! Of course I said that last week, lol! And those tools have been getting TONS of use! Even the punches, funny enough!
@@This1LifeWeLive Thanks Suzie, was wondering about the comments about adjusting the bottom where the bar rides between, instead of hammering, would a hydraulic jack pushing up work ? using the weight of the baler to your benefit.
@@eddie9027 i did try that but its on floating springs 🤔
@@This1LifeWeLive thumbs up you tried, thumbs down on floating springs, have a great weekend !
WTF
You didn't apply the anti seize correctly. You are suppose to get it on your hands then touch your face. Lol.
😂 Oh it was, don't you worry! Second reason why I ddin't have gloves on, HA!
Wow. uhm... have fun taking all that back apart . Nope not offering help. Shit's a pain in the ass. I hated it. Your cramped, ugh. Fight the screws ect.
Hay Farm Girl 👧 you know I love you and think you’re the best and always very careful around balers and such but one of the most competent just got hurt bad. I know you don’t need me telling you to be careful but I would be remiss if I didn’t send you this heads up: www.saltwire.com/news/canada/cumberland-man-prepares-to-return-to-farm-after-losing-arm-in-hay-baler-502224/ He grew up farming. And still this happens. I apologize for being a mother hen. Hope you forgive me. And hope you stay safe up there in Michigan land. Your New Jersey friend.
You are certainly correct! Just saw a post about a guy who got caught on a pto and banged up pretty good!