The REAL problem with Melbourne's Airport Rail Link
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Melbourne, Australia is facing issues in constructing and connecting a train line from Melbourne’s Tullamarine Airport to Melbourne’s CBD.
The Melbourne Airport rail is plagued with problems, and has led to a standoff between the Airport and State Government.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:03 Global Comparisons
01:40 How to get to Airport
02:25 Project History
03:30 Project Designs
05:10 Airport Station Design
05:50 Ticketing
06:12 Project Timeline
06:50 Recent Dispute
07:15 Chronological Timeline of Dispute
10:05 Government Arguments
10:35 Airport Arguments
10:55 Request for Federal Government Help
11:31 Airport + Council Clash
12:30 Vote 🗳️
12:41 Mediator Announcemen
13:14 Conclusion
14:34 BLOOPERS
Soureces:
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Breaking 8/07/2024: Melbourne Airport has backed down from its demand for the Airport Station to be underground, ending the feud between the Government and Airport.
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And the Government has said that it still will be delayed by 4 years.
If Melbourne Airport insists on an underground station then they should pay for the cost difference of doing that vs Skyrail. If they say no, the federal government needs to intervene and make the project happen above ground as originally planned. It’s unacceptable that Australia’s most populous city doesn’t have an airport rail link.
They should pay for the whole station. Though honestly the Federal government should just re-nationalise the airport corporation - It's a monopoly and shouldn't be in private hands.
Agreed! I love the skyrail - great experience. I get having it underground would be better for space but the skyrail would offer fantastic views. Just as long as they could place the station entry/exit next to the terminal entrances.
As a Tasmanian, I hate visiting Melbourne simply because of the difficulty of moving from the Airport to the City.
I find it unacceptable that NSW and WA can handle multiple PT projects and we in Vic cannot. We would have spent all this money on the big build and the Metro system would have expanded sweet naff all. Why can't they just build a cut and cover station in the PTV Hub behind T4 and just liaise with the Airport and build a cover travelway from the Station. In the meanwhile they can jolly well improve the pathetic local bus network to the Airport.
@@youcanthandlethetruth1 It isn't going to happen because the Airport holds all the cards. Why cant the Government just compromise and build the flipping Station in the PTV Hub where the Public Buses 903, 476 & 478 Terminate, behind Terminal 4. I find it incredible that a project that is not involving any infrastructure south of Sunshine with infrastructure all the way to Airport West and no Underground sections except maybe for the Station is going to take 7 years and $10 Billion! Only in Victoria.
Its obsession with huge Infrastructure projects to the detriment smaller needed projects will be their downfall.
The most remarkable part of this story is that Perth, of all places, has managed to plan, design, build, and begin operating an underground train line to the airport while Melbourne keeps talking.
Because Victoria has never been serious about PT. Unless the Feds get involved and it is looking increasingly like the Libs will win the next election, Premier Allan is embarking on an fight that it cannot win.
I find it incredible that a project that is not involving any infrastructure south of Sunshine with infrastructure all the way to Airport West and no Underground sections except maybe for the Station is going to take 7 years and $10 Billion! Only in Victoria.
Its obsession with huge Infrastructure projects to the detriment smaller needed projects will be their downfall.
and for cheap too, i beleive it was 1.8B dollars for a completely underground line, CRAZY!!!
@@revilok08 It's not completely underground, only the section running towards Redcliffe and Airport Central stations are. That said, it's highly convenient and cheap. You'll pay no more than $5.10 to get from Claremont or Perth to the Airport. It's completely free for everyone on Sundays.
@@thevannmann yes, i can confirm the line in perth is FANTASTIC, hopefully the melb line stays cheap
Above ground! Better passenger experience, much cheaper and quicker to build.
I heard from somewhere if they build this rail link, less people would be inclined to use the long term parking option (obviously) and since the airport charges sky high fees to park there, they may lose a lot of money if people use the eventual train. So maybe that’s why they insist on an underground option, it makes sense from a greedy businessman view
Should’ve been built 20 years ago. So we don’t have to rely on buses and taxis getting stuck on the tollway because of the traffic
I would not be surprised that the "Airport Administration" has been in with and collaborating with whoever the greedy buisinessmen are, That makes all this money from the Car Parks, Skybus etc.
Exactly this!
No, rubbish. There is $10 Billion in funding. If the Government wanted to build it they would. They can build it where the Bus Station is but they won't. They want it skyrail in the middle of the Airport. The Airport want to expand it ain't going to happen.
It’s all delay tactics as the Airport don’t want it at all, for the parking reason and other reasons I listed elsewhere.
@eWhizz They did want to build one from the city with the Air Train consortium, but that was knocked back.
Sorry but what is stopping the Government from building it near T4. Nothing. The Government could do this on the cheap by collaborating with the ARTC who will be rebuilding the corridor for Inland Rail. The ARTC have already rebuilt 600 metres of broad gauge double track in the corridor. I suspect it is not just the airport who is reluctant to build this link.
At this point it would be hilarious if Adelaide built a rail link to their airport before Melbourne.
Just letting you know that the new station in Pakenham is called East Pakenham which was done to not cause confusion with the Pakenham East Depot. You can find that the current train maps have East Pakenham.
Extending the tram service from Airport west to the Airport would be a significantly cheaper way to do this. You could also have light rail coming off Essendon station along Mt Alexander, through Essendon airport then along Melrose drive. There were and still are reservations specifically for this.
Take a look at google maps and follow a line from Essendon Station, up Mt Alexander Rd, through Essendon Airport (or around) then along Melrose drive. It makes a lot of sense. The railway infrastructure up to Essendon station is significant and flexible enough for this. No need to go via Sunshine etc. There is even a very unused platform there.
exactly
It’s all down to the Status Quo. Taxi companies, Parking operators, and Transurban. All powerful influences to keep any mass transit service to the Airport from eroding their profits.
Melbourne Airport is making perfect the enemy of good, I think it's more too the point of not wanting the project at all as there are revenue streams they could loose
If Perth can do it why can’t Melbourne
It must be underground as it will allow for a possible future extension west to connect to the Sunbury &/or Melton railway lines. The current skyrail station proposal will not allow any future extension. Future expansion plans for Melbourne Airport also include terminals on the western side of the north/south runway. An underground station allows for a future line/station to connect with this future terminal complex (similar to Sydney’s 2x airport stations). The state government lacks vision here. I just don’t get it. I suspect the delay and blaming the Airport is convenient for them as it deflects the issue away from them and they don’t have the funds at the moment anyway. My opinion is that going underground is such a no brainer!
Just build the station at the PT hub behind T4.
The geology in the west is challenging to say the least, that would be part of the reasoning why. I would rather they build on the cheap or not at all. Melton corridor and Wyndhamvale corridor is much more important.
The most amazing thing about the new Premier of Victoria is that she was the former Prime Minister of New Zealand. How amazing is that?
It should be underground. Today it was 9 degrees with winds causing the "Feels like" temp to be 2 - and that's at 2pm. Build the F'ing thing under the airport - maybe a stop at T4 and then the International Terminal (T1, T2, T3) with escalators going up to the premium domestic airline from the front of the train (Qantas), escalators going up to Virgin and the others from the rear, and escalators going up from the middle to the International terminal. Far more civilised than a monstrosity in the car park out the front.
Dublin has a similar problem. Big airport,no real way to get there via public transportation
They have buses.
@@eWhizz not enough. We need trains.
The State Government needs to devise new taxes that specifically hurt the airport. An inefficient land usage tax that only targets mass car parking of over X amount of spots. A tax like this would probably hit Chadstone as well. The rail link must be built at the expense of the greedy businessmen running the airport.
Why? So airlines are dissuaded from using Melbourne Airport? And then what. Avalon? Really? All for a Rail Link that Ben Carroll wants to spend $17 Billion on including $7 Billion from Private consortiums.
I would rather they NOT build it.
When is it going to be built! It’s been a long time!
Another rail link to Avalon is the only thing that make the proposed routes make sense. Other wise just join it into Essendon station.
I want to see the airports future plans and how they would conflict with a skyrail station. If the airport loves underground so much, they can build a large amount of their new terminal underneath the skyrail station, and they could also add heaps of underground parking since I’m sure they love car parks so much. If the airport isn’t willing to spend a dime on the project then it just shows they aren’t actually interested in collaborating or their own future expansion. They just want to keep the $$$ flowing in from the parking and taxi revenue. IMO the federal government should take more action and force the airport to collaborate. Tbh I am confused how it is legal for such an important piece of transport infrastructure to be entirely privately owned. Corporate greed has been the enemy of efficient transport since the invention of the combustion engine...
Prefer underground. However, Melbourne airport should contribute some funding too!
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YOOOOOOOOO, LETS GOOOOOOO
although in general i prefer skyrail due to the cheap cost, i think in this scenario, going underground will be better. its more futureproof. 10:15 also this is just hypocritical. they want the entire eastern and northern parts of the suburban rail loop to be underground but not this part? it only needs to be underground at the airport itself then it can come to ground level after the airport
1:25 While this is technically true, there are several notable exceptions, too, e.g. Praha, St.Petersburg, and some others.
If the airport wants the station underground, they should pay for it - or at least pay for the difference.
Though honestly they're a monopoly and probably shouldn't have been turned into a private entity in the first place.
Could you please explain how an elevated solution would better accommodate the SRL link? 5:48 I think the REAL problem with the rail link is the state government. No matter what they are given, they will not build it. It is all about corruption. One thing you didn’t mention was that the airport offered $7 billion to let them build it and it would be up and running now. The state government knocked that back because they did not want it built. I am not sure why they don’t but normally one has to follow the money. This government will continue to delay it until they are voted out.
Dublin doesn't. LA doesn't. its really not that big deal as we have pretty good shuttle bus services. there just isn;t that much demand for heavy rail network to tullarmarine............
Pretty good shuttle services. You are having a laugh aren't you? Its the Skybus every 10 mins and that is it for high frequency transit. The Smart Bus 901 from Frankston is every 15 mins, 30 mins on weekends and due to its length is prone to delays.
The Airport West Buses are every 30 mins, Hourly on weekends and finish at 9pm.
How do you know there is no demand? Is that from you?
4:29 - you missed ONE station on the Dandenong side - Lynbrook
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Great video explainer! I support above ground, its cheaper and gets the job done. I used the Brisbane and its a perfectly adequate. Tunnelling and an underground station is unnecessary because very few people live around the airport!
However issue is, future development will continue. For now and even foreseeable future sky rail won't be an issue, however as we move forwards, 30,40,50+
Years Melbourne will continue to grow and the Airport will soon be located in less open environment like today, and be in future inner/ middle 'suburbs' of the city. Take extreme dense urban cities (e.g Singapore) they are forced to go underground as they literally do not have enough space to waste, Will Melbourne become like Singapore, probably not in the foreseeable future, however it's good to keep in mind how to deal effectively with high density.
@@xtrapolis29 ah ok that is good fopd for thought, thank you!
@@xtrapolis29 At that point the airport probably should be moved.
Can't we just extend the Route 59 Tram to the Airport and then call it a day.
Too slow.
However there is a freight? line that runs past Airport West shopping centre that could have been expanded and had a 3km spur off to the airport, rather than running it through Sunshine, which was obviously a political play.
Extending the Tram route may be a temporary and only short term solution (as well as a potential logistical challenge to even get to the airport), as mentioned it would be way too slow, however it’s not like Bus Route 901 is fast (4 Hour Trip Frankston-Airport vice versa)
@@xtrapolis29 maybe another option (connect the Airport to Broadmeadows with an Automated Peoplemover). Then people could just catch the train into the cbd or wherever the heck there going from there. Maybe they could even build a automated shuttle line between Broadmedows and the airport that could later become part of SRL but many will start to question the point of an expensive shuttle line
@@TheHsan22 The freight line goes through Sunshine.
@mjcats2011 Then what is the issue with using it or duplicating it for passenger, they have a reservation and the new station at Sunshine can be built in parallel?
Mediator was announced before this was published 😂
I did include it at the end part of the vid 12:43
electric trolly bus cheap on the roads u got now just build a new single lane each way put power line on lamp posts u allready got no co2 but the power station thats on allready on passingers get daylight i can do it for 2 billion and have it up and running in 6 months
Not really fast enough, though I do think we could pull up a couple of lanes of freeway and put a heavy train in the freeway ROW to get people more directly into Melbourne.
Might as well has the sky bus.
@@mjcats2011 Sky bus has a small capacity, isn't as fast as a train, adds to freeway traffic and gets stuck in traffic. Plus it's uncomfortable.
@shraka I was replying to the post that suggested spending $2 Billion on a trolleybus.
@@mjcats2011 Ah I see. Bit strange for them to suggest trolly bus for a city that has the biggest tram network in the world.
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Underground is best for a major city like Melbourne.
Would you personally be up for an income taxation increase to cover the unnecessary extra expense?
The airport isn't in a dense part of the city. Above ground rail is better for passenger experience - especially travellers who may not be accustomed to the city - and is easier to upgrade in the future.
@@shraka However issue is, future development will continue. For now and even foreseeable future sky rail won’t be an issue, however as we move forwards, 30,40,50+ Years Melbourne will continue to grow and the Airport will soon be located in less open environment like today, and be in future inner/middle ‘suburbs’ of the city. Take extreme dense urban cities (e.g Singapore) they are forced to go underground as they literally do not have enough space to waste, Will Melbourne become like Singapore, probably not in the foreseeable, however it’s good to keep in mind how to deal effectively with high density.
@@xtrapolis29 We’ve got space to grow around the airport - or it can be moved. The sprawling development pattern isn’t great either, and is largely driven by car based design. We should break things up into more coherent hubs to cluster transport more coherently. Singapore has very limited land and doesn’t have the best urban planning patterns either.
If money is the issue why not have a bus rapid transit, build the roads bridges and tunnels necessary for a straight path, something like in Adelaide then make em go 200km/h or something.
It would be cheaper to utilise the existing rail infrastructure from Sunshine. Surely you are joking, 200km what is this, the Grand Prix.
Stop fken talk, JUST GET THE DAMN THING DONE. TALK TALK TALK NOTHING IS DONE. SAME AS HIGH SPEED TRAIN ALOT OF TALK NO ACTION.
I always laugh when Melbourne can't sort out something as simple as an airport train. And so you gotta take the skybus and cop an incredibly obnoxious "welcome to country" every time. Virtue signalling and no action - at least it's on brand for Melbourne. And it's no surprise either that the worst and most obnoxious airport in Australia is making things difficult, like they do for airline passengers every day.
Wow and seeing "Welcome to Country" signs really upset you. Jeez some are such snowflakes. Now to the point. The State Government should utilise the existing Broad Gauge Infrastructure to Airport West and just build the Station at the PT Hub behind T4.
Agreed on WTC, embarrassing.
The Airport West line is just too obvious for christsakes, already into Melb city, add a 3km spur straight to the airport.