Grab a mouse mat, modmat, or other GN products on our store -- get something quality in return for your support (which helps us buy these computers)! store.gamersnexus.net/ You can see why the ABS Challenger is the best prebuilt we’ve reviewed so far: th-cam.com/video/b2vrvQydVIw/w-d-xo.html Or you can see why the Dell G5 5000 is absolutely horrible here: th-cam.com/video/4DMg6hUudHE/w-d-xo.html And for something different, check out our AMD Super Resolution review here: th-cam.com/video/KCzjQ4qP124/w-d-xo.html
I have an idea for a video, wich would be a guide on the expectation of a pré built system for manufacturers, to clarify what consumer expect and want, so no flower heat sync, proper packaging etc... Any way thank you for all the work done :)
you consider getting one from microcenter ? they probably wouldnt be too bad if the company wouldnt change the terms of warranties in the middle of the term of your warranty, making the value of your microcenter replacement plan completely useless
AVA Direct - Been looking into these guys for a couple of months. Their options seem pretty good and pricing is decent just worried about quality. They also have a TH-cam channel. Might be a good one to take a look at!
They still can put sticks in slots 1 and 2 or 3 and 4. Actually, I think, I've seen some strange Chinese Phenom motherboard that had two DIMM slots while being single channel
You know what? Scrap double data rate! Re-introduce the world to single data rate for the sake of nostalgia, and brand your system as 'Retro Gaming PC'.
The moral of all these pre-built "reviews" seems to be "If you're scared or nervous to build your own, what you should really be scared of is paying someone else to do it."
Myea, I feel like most people aren't actually dumb enough to mess up building their own computer. - AND, if they do, it could easily be rectified. - Of course, doing things randomly isn't gonna help, as you CAN mess up some things badly enough to damage parts. but if you generally follow instructions and the like, most people should be good, even if it takes a lot of time.
Their designers know nothing about enthusiast designs. They can't shake everything they have learned about making OEM designs. A classic case of it being harder to unlearn what you know than to learn something new.
I would love to see each of these systems get a "user upgrade" amount of 10% of their cost and then see how they stack. The Lenovo could get better ram, Cyberpower a better cooler, Dell a trip to e-waste recycler, etc.
@@benisrood They've looked into case design. They don't want to get into the cost of tooling for something that would only be bought by the smartest and most geeky of enthusiasts. That said, I would love to go down to the studio and pick Steve's brain for a while about case modding, and such.
I love this level of detail and analysis! Comparing this build to the version available November 2022 for $850 it really looks like the designers are listening!
You think it's genuine? Seems like he's constantly searching for anything to 💩 on. . If I sound cynical right now it's because I am. In all honesty I'm just reflecting back the attitude Steve approaches everything with. Because you know... He believes his own 💩 doesn't stink...
Protecting smd's from people replacing the video card woulden't be too hard to knock one off if you wern't experienced at seating expansion cards. Maybe?
I had a different idea. The thermal pad might actually be an air duct in disguise, so the air going in the direction of the PCIe slot cannot escape to the side.
I've had the wire frame mouse mat for a while now & I love it! Cool design, great feel, doesn't slide around, & the most important part to me is my mouse tracks EXTREMELY smoothly! Thank you for having quality products.
The price of this thing is confusing. Bought a Lenovo Legion 5 desktop (Ryzen 5 3600, 3060, 16gb ram, and yes, 2 ram sticks, mesh front) for "only" 1000€
That's all too normal with Lenovo. They don't seem have to a global pricing system. It isn't unusual to find refurbished laptops on their refurbished sales site more expensive than new for the same specs. It has been that way as far as I can remember.
My dad bought one of these 6 months of ago for himself. It was originally $900, but he got a $200 discount on the OG price of it from Costco. I just checked the inside of it and I'm shocked, it has 2 sticks of ram (16GB in total), but the bottom fan on the front is placed as exhaust instead of intake. lmao, good thing he doesn't use it, which is sad in itself.
Hey! Mind if I ask: should the top fan be intake and the bottom exhaust? Or vice versa? Or should both be intake? There's online chatter about some Lenovos being shipping (accidentally) with two in-takes. Some folks online spoke to support and said one should be intake, one should be exhaust (not sure which configuration). What are you findings on this, if you don't mind me asking? Thanks!
@@SandyMiranda Both should be intake on the front, as it creates positive air pressure that leads to less dust accumulation inside the PC, when working with the back exhaust fan.
Hey. I just thought Id let you know that I also have this model from Costco and thanks to your comment I realized my front fan was backwards. Apparently this is a common mistake? Also, by opening the machine and poking around I realized my rear fan was actually RGB, but was plugged into the RGB board incorrectly. Three years later and now I have light on my RBG fan.
10:00 the weird mismatched dust holes don't technically matter, but they do show that Lenovo clearly didn't care a whole lot while designing the final production dies- it should definitely raise some red flags about what other corners were cut or minor details ignored
It's weird to me because, wouldn't that increase the cost of the tooling? If they decided the prototype case design didn't have enough airflow, why not increase the amount of holes in the case? Why add different sized holes?
@@JeoshuaCollins this is clearly a prototype chassis that was nearing the final design, and Lenovo seems to be trying to ship the minimum viable product that still functions
@@JeoshuaCollins It is weird enough that I'm wondering if it was done on purpose for some reason. My best guess, and it is a wild one, is that it helped with the two fans sharing a chimney somehow.
@@CptJistuce Like maybe one fan was more restricted than the other and therefore the flow needed to be modified to even it out? Maybe, but then unrestricting the fan would seem like a better option.
It might actually be that the die that stamps out these holes is a replaceable 120x120mm insert into the larger die for the entire panel. Maybe they had one with missmatched holesize lying around from prototypeing and thought "whatever".
Hey Steve, I appreciate you making the video. I bought this prebuilt back in May with a 3070 and lately I've been worried about the lack of airflow. Is there a better case that you would suggest? The back of the case gets really hot to the touch and I'm reaching really high temps in HWMonitor when gaming. Thanks!
I would suggest looking into a Fractal Design Meshify. Very high airflow, and won't break the bank. I don't have one myself but GN has a video on the case and he gives it high praises.
sorry to necro, but in case you haven't yet bought a new case: I recently built a new system in a Phanteks P400a. the case got decent praise from GN and comes with 3 PWM fans. about $80-90 depending on retailer and whatever sales might be going on.
İ suggest you look at corsair4000d airflow or corsair 5000d airflow İ think they are pretty cool cases Check on their prices if they are resonable for you. Edit: Just noticed im 1 month late
Thanks for the content Steve and thanks for all your help with building my last computer at the end of 2020. At least half of my computer is gamer's Nexus recommendations and optimizations. You're the man.
@@GamersNexus I got the Lian Li Lancool 2 mesh and using Arctic fans across the board. I got a 240 mm liquid freezer II for the top of the case. Cooling the 5800x and RTX 3080. Both of which I had to camp outside of Micro-center overnight for. But I've been having fun since December so it was worth it. Especially since I worked IT in a hospital most of covid up until that point. It was a nice reward for myself. Temperatures are excellent especially after I modded my gigabyte gaming OC with new thermal pads and MX4. The bottom fans giving my graphics card fresh air really lets me get the most out of my hardware especially since I am now gaming on the top floor which gets a little warmer than my old apartment.
@@GamersNexus Seeing as you paid for all of these systems would be nice to see you "fix" them all and show how much it would cost and resell them... even if i was simple things like putting the systems in proper cases with decent coolers...
@@rokku87 I have the exact same setup, sans the fans. Though I had everything except the cpu (which I got at the end of this march). Great setup, and again, thanks to gn and its community :)
Hey GN, I love this series. I really appreciate you guys. I ordered a Pre-Built from PCSPECIALIST and I have to say it is amazing. If you could order one from them and review it I would be happy to know what they did right and what they didn't.
Those “cheap” Lenovo keyboards and mice are surprisingly durable, as they’ve been the default keyboards in several work computers. While not a high performance device, they’re functional and hold up to the abuse of a retail store reasonably well. You should replace it with high performance input devices, but for stock keyboards, they’re not bad and will get your basic computing stuff done.
The mouse is absolute garbage, it has no dedicated spring mechanism and uses the plastic shell itself as the "spring" in the button. As a result, my mouse came with a right button pre-bent so that it was stuck in the depressed position. Bending the plastic back provided only a temporary fix before it became stuck again. Mice are so cheap, better to not include such junk vs insulting the customer with such garbage.
11:11 It's entertaining to see Steve react to the RF shielding. Shows he have not had much experience with the FCC or the EU equivalent. That small piece is steel is used to ensure that ad on cards are properly grounded and to cover up any gaps between the back panel and the back plate on the cards. Yes I know most who watch thins couldn't care less about the FCC, but big companies such as Lenovo can't afford to be as cavalier about it. The fines for selling equipment that pollute the radio frequencies can be quite high so they can't afford to skimp on details like this. That's also why you never see a machine from these manufacturers that has really open airflow. The grills tend to be more restrictive as that keeps the RF emissions under control. Wide open fan intakes and exhausts are not something you will ever find on a Dell or Lenovo machine.
I love the virtual confetti! I don't think most people get how badly a single ram chip can gimp a system. I knew it could gimp it, but I didn't think it would degrade the performance a full CPU category. I wonder what ram configuration companies use making required and recommended system requirements?
"its better than dell" should be a tshirt...it would be interesting to see a pc from redux, been seeing a bunch of commercials for them on youtube and have been asked by friends if theyre any good...i offered to help them build their own but no go, which is good since i dont want to be their go to it guy
Thanks for these reviews and especially tear-downs. It gives me a good overview of what to look for when an acquaintance buys one and inevitably asks me to do technical support on it.
"The only thing we expected when we ordered it was that we'd hate the case. And we do." That timing lmao. Why is it so hard to make a good case? It's not just a box to throw a bunch of parts into. Why is it so rare to find enclosures that aren't hot garbage?
What's bad is that this is actually good for an OEM case, clearly Gamers Nexus didn't dig too deep into them besides Dell and now Lenovo (focusing on SIs), because the rest of them are closer to Dell than to Lenovo's worst Legion case, yikes. And the funnier part is their AMD systems have a faaaarrr better case. Like it's no contest. But then that begs the question, why not have the same case on both systems, why give Intel such an abominable case?! Especially considering their reputation of being expensive and quality?! O_o
@@roundduckkira I'd assume it's related to product sales figures. OEM probably thought they'd sell more AMD rigs and so in turn invest better parts in that. It happened way back when Intel was the performance leader and they get priority over premium designs. (Matter of fact - the situation is reversed in laptop markets where Intel to this day still gets better OEM support as oppose to AMD.)
@@roundduckkira likely the AMD systems were designed more recently than the intel ones. so they get newer batches of parts, updated cases, better thought out designs. Meanwhile, updating the intel systems (especially one thats likely a clearance box given the 'aged' hardware) means throwing out parts that have already been delivered, or cancelling contracts for those parts already ordered but not delivered.
@@RuggedKnight that could explain it, the Intel casing looks like a hybrid of the AMD design and the previous generation Legion design which still has the spoiler and plastickiness and other issues and the drive caddy connection design (but more proprietaryish), but also lacking the newer and much improved Legion coolers and that "meshy" black front look the AMD system has, just faked. Then again tho the previous gen case did have a small mesh tho, not as nice as the AMD system, but still Edit: oh and the t7i systems, their higher end Intels, use a bigger version of the T5 AMD case, and the same case as their AMD T7 counterpart. Indeed Intel t5i seems to be older.
why didnt u make a review on the amd version of this like u said? its the best oem prebuilt on the market. mesh top and front. 2 fans on the front, 2 on top, 1 at the back and 1 cpu fan. so airflow is literally perfect, and best out of every oem. can get 16gb 3200mhz dual channel with a rtx 3000 gpu and ryzen 5000 cpu. 500gb or 1tb ssd and standard b550 board. i literally cant see any downside to it, feels almost like a self build
dis assembly play the game make an entry, no Rtx but frames got plenty, I'm on Atx your still up eating Pi's, no heatsinks your chipset bouta die messing with pros get you de lidded, put ina a bin and then locked up in a prison rammed up with sticks to refresh your memory, seems the c mos still complimentary hard to the core but you still need more, power supply's and chiplets to be available in stores.
First off, build your PC to the spec you claim TechTube, when we test, come equipped with games You claim to be a good build, but I wrekt your RAM We bust on bad builds, please airflow this sham
I think that thermal pad is meant to keep the cooler from sagging into the chip in that corner and the big plate on the GFX card is typically used on super cheap cases to spread the weight and stop the screw hole from ovaling out over time. Not sure if that's the case here but I've seen it on builds using cheap cases quite often back in the day.
Since you mentioned the issue several times, it would have been interesting (and useful) to see what difference two 4GB memory sticks would have made to the performance numbers, even if just for one game. Just a suggestion.
@@kaidenbrooks7480 In this series, GN is specifically looking at the out-of-the-box experience of prebuilt systems, with the expectation that the end-user *specifically does not* need to futz around inside it to get it working properly. This one was competently assembled, which already elevates it above some of the competition (both in this price range and some substantially higher ones), but the poor RAM configuration seriously lets it down. That's an entirely valid conclusion to draw for the benefit of a GN viewer looking for a prebuilt system to recommend to their tech-illiterate aunt to give to their school-aged child - to construct just one plausible example.
All these SIs and other manufacturers should be thanking you for providing actual quality control. I'm certain you can point to changes that have been made in direct response to any number of your teardown videos. Good work as always GN!
28IMB05 model specifically had a lawsuit for its incessant crashing where Reddit's solutions become having to disable a USB hub manager or disable audio in the BIOS. I on the other hand took the free update to Windows 11 but Lenovo's driver updates are only for Windows 10... what a pain prebuilts can be.
What makes these OEM/SI systems so sad is the majority of the people buying them will never see a techtube review like this before purchase. The damn things should just work.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were deliberately taking advantage of the fact that there are very few places that offer easily digestible reviews and comparisons for these kind of machines, even less that would also be aimed at people who don't know much about computers in the first place.
That thin metal piece jammed in between the case and the GPU is EMI gasket. It's entire purpose is to be conductive and fill up any space between case and card bracket. OEMs unlike SIs have to deal with electromagnetic noise compliance rules.
You should add a metric of "WHYs" per build for comparing these builds. You can actually go back and count them from the other videos and put in a graph, starting with the next one.
Does the spoiler/wing on the back of the PC case improve the aerodynamics and flow of the air in the case somehow? Does this case have an issue with not enough downforce to keep it on the desk?
Walmart has a prebuilt system for $1000. I don't remember all the specs but I do know it has a 2060 in it, and it's sold in stores (which isn't saying much, but my town isn't tech savvy so having a dedicated PC gaming section at Walmart is honestly pretty cool).
The design of the tower cooler is definitely optimized to "survive being shipped to the customer" and just by visual inspection it does better on this front than most aftermarket enthusiast equivalents, which often rely on clipping the heatsink to the board and/or clipping the fans to the heatsink.
Fun fact for gamers nexus, the reason some cases don't have a bottom grill or opening for the power supply has to do with fire safety. The idea is that if the power supply fails and catches fire, the debris and bits that are on fire can't fall out of the case and spread the fire further, but should be contained within the case. Don't know if that was the idea philosophy here, but at least some antec cases in the past have done this.
Hey Steve, I didn't know where to request it so I'm doing it here: With the release of Sharkoon's REV300 case, I'd welcome a proper thermal analysis of it's 45degree angled design. Thanks!!
These prebuilts may be garbage but your mouse mats aren't! Just got mine in the mail today and not only does my mouse track really accurately on it, but it didn't move ONE BIT from where I placed it after hours of gaming. Solid. Thanks Steve.
I bought one of these in late 2020 it didn’t have a hard drive, only the 250g ssd i7 10700 and a 2060 which I have since determined is a rebranded Zotac card. I got it for $980 it had two sticks of RAM 16g 3200 and one of the front panel fans was installed backwards causing the CPU temps skyrocket, fixed that figured someone on the line had a bad day or something, ran great. Every time their is an issue with the system it has something to do with the motherboard, the system started hanging and giving me BSODs randomly, figured it was the old hard drive I had put in the system ran some tests and uninstalled the drive worked fine for about a week and it started doing it again. After nearly 10 months and a case change there where rumors of bad audio drivers causing BSODs on the Lenovo forums, so I dug into the system for two days before I gave up and contacted the support page, they remotely uninstalled and replaced my audio drivers and updated my Bios. It worked, for a few days. I bought a desktop audio interface and disabled the built in audio controller in the Bios and bam no more blue screens or hangs. About a week ago the Wi-Fi card died so I replaced it with a newer intel based PCIe card and came to realize that the motherboard has no USB headers other than the USB3 for the case IO panel. Now I have working Wi-Fi but no Bluetooth until I can get an adapter that’ll give me a USB header, other than that runs like a dream. I wouldn’t recommend this system simply because of the motherboard other than that it’s decent and i took a look at the 2060 and it looks pretty decent no missing or weirdly placed thermal pads as far as I could see.
My speculation on why the PC came in a bag with a tamper seal sticker is this... It is not a measure against consumers, but to detect tampering while in a warehouse or in transit. I've heard stories recently about people breaking into warehouses to steal PCs and PC parts. It's not going to stop people stealing stuff from the PCs, but it should at least prevent an attentive warehouse worker from shipping a PC that's been gutted.
Dawid is a soy filled annoying e-celeb who doesnt actually know anything technical about computers. Most of his opinions are directly from PCMR subreddit. The whole snobby pc reddit gamer comes off bad and unintelligible
Great review! Id love to see you guys do a PCH/chipset breakdown like you have RAM and other stuff. I have a general idea of what modern ones do, but specifics and history with development and stuff, South bridge etc would be awesome. Just an idea! :)
Maybe the difference in the hole size on the front panel fan mounts is for noise reasons? I know fans make an annoying high pitched noise when they're up against a grill so maybe the different sizes makes the noise more separated instead of attenuating each other and getting louder.
In the 6th section, you compared the Thermals with the front off and on. I ordered a Legion 5i. When it came I read on the forums that the fans in the front are often installed facing the wrong way. Mine were facing the wrong way too! I switched it around and the cooling was significantly better. Might want to check that if you didn't notice. (TLDR - the intake was blowing out instead of sucking in the front)
If you have a newer HP it will download HP Touchpoint Analytics (spyware)... even if you install a clean copy of Windows. This software causes some HPs to freeze/ lock-up, below is steps to disable it. How to Disable HP Touchpoint Analytics: 1. Press Windows key + R key shortcut to bring up the Run box. Alternatively, you can right-click on the Windows button and click on “Run”. 2. Type in _“services.msc”_ and hit Enter or click “OK”. 3. Look for "HP Analytics Services" in the list that shows up . 4. If you find it, right-click on it and select “Stop”. But we’re not done yet. 5. Double-click on the entry and in the “Startup type” selection, choose “Disabled”. 6. Click the "Recovery" tab, switch the three "Failure" drop-boxes to "Take No Action" 7. Un-check the box for "Enable actions for stops with errors" 8. You're Done EDIT: You may want to also do these steps and disable five services with "HP HSA services" in their names. .
22:31 - Just the glance at the taskbar and seeing the McAfee icon makes me wonder, how much must companies pay to companies like Lenovo to devalue their products.
In the 6th section, you compared the Thermals with the front off and on. I ordered a Legion 5i. When it came I read on the forums that the fans in the front are often installed facing the wrong way. Mine were facing the wrong way too! I switched it around and the cooling was significantly better. Might want to check that if you didn't notice. (TLDR - the intake was blowing out instead of sucking in the front)
Love the content as always! Very thorough. I would love to see how much a better RAM configuration would benefit this Lenovo, or how some simple changes you would make to these prebuilts would improve their performance, compared to how they were out of box. Just to actually see what kind of difference the OEMs could have had.
Hey Steve. Please review a prebuilt HP gaming PC. I have been using an HP Envy Phoenix 810-370st and it has never given me any problem. It has a liquid cooled CPU from HP and I also upgraded the ram to 32GB and changed the power supply to 800watts. I also put a 1070ti. Everyone makes fun of me for having a prebuilt HP as my gaming rig but I love it.
Was wondering if you have a criteria list to follow when it comes to what you should expect in a low end system, a mid range system and a high end system. That would be nice for reference.
Unfortunately, with part makers constantly adding new parts to the market, and price fluctuations of different parts(ie ram, chips, etc) such a review would rapidly become irrelevant.
4:46 "we have been let down, tremendously, and our days have been ruined...". I mean - this cannot be more true to the spirit of a person who really wants a good gaming pc.
I almost got one of these Lenovo towers around new years' time. Eventually decided to throw in some extra money and build a system from parts completely, now very glad I did that instead of going the prebuilt route.
One thing to consider looking into with these pre-builts, especially with something like a 10700 non-K, is whether the BIOS is enforcing the Intel "recommended" TDP limits by default and whether the user can bypass them. The performance difference between the Intel limits being on or off is going to be massive on a 10700 Non-K, and if you get stuck with no way to set your own or bypass them altogether, that is a massive performance difference vs a competing model that will (likely because they are using an off the shelf board).
I have the amd version with glass on the side, dual ram 16gb ryzen 7 1660 super 400w power supply and its been good for me I'm super noob and been trying to learn and so far pleased with it, I'd love to see a review and tear down of it on your channel
I have the Lenovo Legion 7i Tower and I absolutely love the PC. It was more than double to price of this system but it is worth every penny to me. 3 120mm intake fans on the front with a mesh panel and a 240mm AIO exhaust. This cooling setup works well with the 10900k and RTX 2080 Super and keeps temps reasonably low! Also came with 32GB of RAM (2x16), 1TB NVMe SSD and a 1TB HDD. When I bought the PC I also got a nice 15% cash back from Rakuten so it was an even better deal!!!
Recently recommended to a friend HP Omen with 5700G and RTX 3060. I was impressed by the cable management and the memory (Kingston Fury 3200 MHz). The card is with heat pipes and heavy. Also there is a anti sag mount. Sadly the CPU cooler is similar to Dells solution. There is a version with liquid cooler that I would love to see a review of. The biggest downside is that you can't mount third party case fans. So far, my friend is satisfied tho...
The RX 5500XT being more "high end" than that is absurd, too. I have a 5700XT OC and it's decent, but in this market I payed $500 for it. That's pretty substantial, but if you note the difference in price (0:49 $1050 -> $1559), they clearly marked the price up even farther than that for a worse card. You would think that Lenovo would have better supply chain infrastructure than I do but...
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You can see why the ABS Challenger is the best prebuilt we’ve reviewed so far: th-cam.com/video/b2vrvQydVIw/w-d-xo.html
Or you can see why the Dell G5 5000 is absolutely horrible here: th-cam.com/video/4DMg6hUudHE/w-d-xo.html
And for something different, check out our AMD Super Resolution review here: th-cam.com/video/KCzjQ4qP124/w-d-xo.html
I have an idea for a video, wich would be a guide on the expectation of a pré built system for manufacturers, to clarify what consumer expect and want, so no flower heat sync, proper packaging etc... Any way thank you for all the work done :)
I plan on pushing this up internally, hopefully notes will be taken for future builds.
Can I message you offline, for a custom order ? I'm out of Canada
you consider getting one from microcenter ? they probably wouldnt be too bad if the company wouldnt change the terms of warranties in the middle of the term of your warranty, making the value of your microcenter replacement plan completely useless
AVA Direct - Been looking into these guys for a couple of months. Their options seem pretty good and pricing is decent just worried about quality. They also have a TH-cam channel. Might be a good one to take a look at!
Someone needs to invent 1/2 channel RAM, so system integrators can put it two sticks whilst maintaining a single channel.
hahahaha
They still can put sticks in slots 1 and 2 or 3 and 4. Actually, I think, I've seen some strange Chinese Phenom motherboard that had two DIMM slots while being single channel
Even better idea: Single channel board with four daisy chained slots. So then they can add a second stick and LOWER the performance!
You know what? Scrap double data rate! Re-introduce the world to single data rate for the sake of nostalgia, and brand your system as 'Retro Gaming PC'.
@@Hornbowman Is that you, Satan?
The moral of all these pre-built "reviews" seems to be "If you're scared or nervous to build your own, what you should really be scared of is paying someone else to do it."
FUD in its purest form.
underrated comment
That''s a good one ! 😂
@@tim3172 Not really. I feel like the D is missing, so this is more like FU.
Myea, I feel like most people aren't actually dumb enough to mess up building their own computer. - AND, if they do, it could easily be rectified. - Of course, doing things randomly isn't gonna help, as you CAN mess up some things badly enough to damage parts. but if you generally follow instructions and the like, most people should be good, even if it takes a lot of time.
How is it 2021 and companies still struggle this much with air intake?
Not blocking the fans is now a long lost form of alchemy for case designers.
Their designers know nothing about enthusiast designs. They can't shake everything they have learned about making OEM designs. A classic case of it being harder to unlearn what you know than to learn something new.
gotta keep those Viruses out
Blame case that support dongle life...
@@dallatorretdu Lenovo cases can't catch viruses!
"We have been let down tremendously and our days are ruined." I'm dead
I am so glad this joke didn't go unappreciated. I came down here in the comments in search for this.
At least our disappointment isn't immeasurable.
@@sethmoyer 🤣
"The e-waste that comes with Dell's warranty"
Lol
That had me dead 💀😂
@@morpheas768 we know, you don't need to write an essay explaining why
@@CatsMeow_ I disagree
I would love to see each of these systems get a "user upgrade" amount of 10% of their cost and then see how they stack. The Lenovo could get better ram, Cyberpower a better cooler, Dell a trip to e-waste recycler, etc.
Dell a trip to the e-waste recycler lmao
@@cat-.- LMFAO that killed me 😂😂
you know that little spoiler/cowl on the back would be a great spot for a small display with thermals and/or post code readouts
Great idea! We don't need any of those at our prebuilt company, though, so please keep further good ideas to yourself! Signed, Dell, Lenovo, & HP
@@GamersNexus Wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true.
and/or fan speed controls
@@benisrood They've looked into case design. They don't want to get into the cost of tooling for something that would only be bought by the smartest and most geeky of enthusiasts.
That said, I would love to go down to the studio and pick Steve's brain for a while about case modding, and such.
@AstroCat Only one stripe, though. You need dual channel memory to have two stripes.
I love this level of detail and analysis! Comparing this build to the version available November 2022 for $850 it really looks like the designers are listening!
I feel like the “It’s better than Dell” award is really just an “It’s not complete shit” award
Oh it can still be shit AND be better than Dell.
@@cmnhrnytoad2003 You stole my comment.
@@JohnPlissken is it possible to steal the truth?
But this also won the coveted "it's not the worst thing you can buy" award!
the “It’s better than Dell” award is honestly pretty much a participation trophy.
13:21 "It's not the worst I've seen"
That voice is the voice of a man who's seen too many things.
I love that the start of this video was just Steve being confused and saying "What??" for like 26 seconds 🤣
Love these Intros 🤣
why is he so handsome though
I can't remember a pre-built review without
You think it's genuine? Seems like he's constantly searching for anything to 💩 on.
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If I sound cynical right now it's because I am. In all honesty I'm just reflecting back the attitude Steve approaches everything with. Because you know... He believes his own 💩 doesn't stink...
@@obsidian.... dude these pcs are trash. objectively.
"McAfee is speeding up your app"
- Press X to doubt
Gamers Nexus: *Slaps Prebuilt*
Gamers Nexus: "You can fit so much e-waste in this baby"
That odd thermal pad on the video card may have been used as a bumper to protect the board.
Normally they just use a rubber brick, but you're right. That might be the case.
Protecting smd's from people replacing the video card woulden't be too hard to knock one off if you wern't experienced at seating expansion cards. Maybe?
I had a different idea. The thermal pad might actually be an air duct in disguise, so the air going in the direction of the PCIe slot cannot escape to the side.
@@friedrichschwarz1547 zg
I've had the wire frame mouse mat for a while now & I love it! Cool design, great feel, doesn't slide around, & the most important part to me is my mouse tracks EXTREMELY smoothly! Thank you for having quality products.
I just picked up a 2013 Lenovo prebuilt and the chassis is functionally the same. I would say if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but god is it bad.
"The case spoiler help the Intel CPU when switching gears." - Lenovo
The price of this thing is confusing. Bought a Lenovo Legion 5 desktop (Ryzen 5 3600, 3060, 16gb ram, and yes, 2 ram sticks, mesh front) for "only" 1000€
Very confusing, then. This is the one that they were promoting on twitter at the time we were shopping, so went for this one!
Fuck here in the UK currys is selling a 3060 is still £650 on its own .... thats about 755€ or $896 !!!!
That's all too normal with Lenovo. They don't seem have to a global pricing system. It isn't unusual to find refurbished laptops on their refurbished sales site more expensive than new for the same specs. It has been that way as far as I can remember.
That seems like really fair pricing. My first pc was a Lenovo and it ran for 7 years before I sold it, hope yours does just as well
They also sell directly on eBay and I think prices there don't necessarily match their website, either
My dad bought one of these 6 months of ago for himself. It was originally $900, but he got a $200 discount on the OG price of it from Costco. I just checked the inside of it and I'm shocked, it has 2 sticks of ram (16GB in total), but the bottom fan on the front is placed as exhaust instead of intake. lmao, good thing he doesn't use it, which is sad in itself.
Hey! Mind if I ask: should the top fan be intake and the bottom exhaust? Or vice versa? Or should both be intake? There's online chatter about some Lenovos being shipping (accidentally) with two in-takes. Some folks online spoke to support and said one should be intake, one should be exhaust (not sure which configuration). What are you findings on this, if you don't mind me asking? Thanks!
@@SandyMiranda Both should be intake on the front, as it creates positive air pressure that leads to less dust accumulation inside the PC, when working with the back exhaust fan.
Hey. I just thought Id let you know that I also have this model from Costco and thanks to your comment I realized my front fan was backwards. Apparently this is a common mistake? Also, by opening the machine and poking around I realized my rear fan was actually RGB, but was plugged into the RGB board incorrectly. Three years later and now I have light on my RBG fan.
Those side panel edges are sharper than Steve’s tongue.
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You gotta play the kids "yay" sound effect when the award comes on screen. That's the only thing missing
editor needs to slap some fireworks and red amber alert together with the sound effect.
@@slumy8195 your editor needs to add descriptors. lol.
10:00 the weird mismatched dust holes don't technically matter, but they do show that Lenovo clearly didn't care a whole lot while designing the final production dies- it should definitely raise some red flags about what other corners were cut or minor details ignored
It's weird to me because, wouldn't that increase the cost of the tooling? If they decided the prototype case design didn't have enough airflow, why not increase the amount of holes in the case? Why add different sized holes?
@@JeoshuaCollins this is clearly a prototype chassis that was nearing the final design, and Lenovo seems to be trying to ship the minimum viable product that still functions
@@JeoshuaCollins It is weird enough that I'm wondering if it was done on purpose for some reason.
My best guess, and it is a wild one, is that it helped with the two fans sharing a chimney somehow.
@@CptJistuce Like maybe one fan was more restricted than the other and therefore the flow needed to be modified to even it out? Maybe, but then unrestricting the fan would seem like a better option.
It might actually be that the die that stamps out these holes is a replaceable 120x120mm insert into the larger die for the entire panel. Maybe they had one with missmatched holesize lying around from prototypeing and thought "whatever".
“The e-waste that comes with Dell’s warranty” LMAO
2:48 "The e-waste that comes with Dell's warranty" Holy shit they're already dead, this is just savage
Hey Steve, I appreciate you making the video. I bought this prebuilt back in May with a 3070 and lately I've been worried about the lack of airflow. Is there a better case that you would suggest? The back of the case gets really hot to the touch and I'm reaching really high temps in HWMonitor when gaming.
Thanks!
I would suggest looking into a Fractal Design Meshify. Very high airflow, and won't break the bank. I don't have one myself but GN has a video on the case and he gives it high praises.
sorry to necro, but in case you haven't yet bought a new case: I recently built a new system in a Phanteks P400a. the case got decent praise from GN and comes with 3 PWM fans. about $80-90 depending on retailer and whatever sales might be going on.
İ suggest you look at corsair4000d airflow or corsair 5000d airflow
İ think they are pretty cool cases
Check on their prices if they are resonable for you.
Edit: Just noticed im 1 month late
Fractal, Corsair, and Phanteks all make great affordable airflow cases.
Nobody mentioning be quiet's Pure Base 500DX which is one of GN's favorites, smh.
Thanks for the content Steve and thanks for all your help with building my last computer at the end of 2020. At least half of my computer is gamer's Nexus recommendations and optimizations. You're the man.
That's awesome! Really glad to have helped you build one. What'd you pick for the case?
@@GamersNexus I got the Lian Li Lancool 2 mesh and using Arctic fans across the board. I got a 240 mm liquid freezer II for the top of the case. Cooling the 5800x and RTX 3080. Both of which I had to camp outside of Micro-center overnight for. But I've been having fun since December so it was worth it. Especially since I worked IT in a hospital most of covid up until that point. It was a nice reward for myself.
Temperatures are excellent especially after I modded my gigabyte gaming OC with new thermal pads and MX4. The bottom fans giving my graphics card fresh air really lets me get the most out of my hardware especially since I am now gaming on the top floor which gets a little warmer than my old apartment.
@@GamersNexus Seeing as you paid for all of these systems would be nice to see you "fix" them all and show how much it would cost and resell them... even if i was simple things like putting the systems in proper cases with decent coolers...
@@rokku87 I have the exact same setup, sans the fans. Though I had everything except the cpu (which I got at the end of this march). Great setup, and again, thanks to gn and its community :)
Thanks Steve!
"Saddest, loneliest thermal pad" lol 😂
can we get a gamer nexus's shirt that just says'.....but why?'
And one with "Thank you Steve!"
@@Y0G0FU back to you steve!
Yes definitely,a whole range of them!? With all those famous phrases 👌
and don't forget a "You can literally see it!" shirt
and a "3080 tie... fighter" shirt
These videos are so entertaining to watch. Love Steve's incredulous whys and whats.
"Better than Dell" is setting such a low bar lmao
My favourite YT series right now. Keep them coming. (:
The new GN motto for prebuilts
“We have been let down tremendously, and our days have been ruined”
Hey GN, I love this series. I really appreciate you guys. I ordered a Pre-Built from PCSPECIALIST and I have to say it is amazing. If you could order one from them and review it I would be happy to know what they did right and what they didn't.
Those “cheap” Lenovo keyboards and mice are surprisingly durable, as they’ve been the default keyboards in several work computers. While not a high performance device, they’re functional and hold up to the abuse of a retail store reasonably well. You should replace it with high performance input devices, but for stock keyboards, they’re not bad and will get your basic computing stuff done.
I used one add my main keyboard for like a decade lol
their "preferred pro" keyboards are good, but the mouse I got from them was like the one in this video and it broke after less than a year of use
The mouse is absolute garbage, it has no dedicated spring mechanism and uses the plastic shell itself as the "spring" in the button. As a result, my mouse came with a right button pre-bent so that it was stuck in the depressed position. Bending the plastic back provided only a temporary fix before it became stuck again. Mice are so cheap, better to not include such junk vs insulting the customer with such garbage.
The Lenovo keyboards are really durable, but their mouses are trash!
Not this one but those that come on workstations.
11:11 It's entertaining to see Steve react to the RF shielding. Shows he have not had much experience with the FCC or the EU equivalent. That small piece is steel is used to ensure that ad on cards are properly grounded and to cover up any gaps between the back panel and the back plate on the cards. Yes I know most who watch thins couldn't care less about the FCC, but big companies such as Lenovo can't afford to be as cavalier about it. The fines for selling equipment that pollute the radio frequencies can be quite high so they can't afford to skimp on details like this. That's also why you never see a machine from these manufacturers that has really open airflow. The grills tend to be more restrictive as that keeps the RF emissions under control. Wide open fan intakes and exhausts are not something you will ever find on a Dell or Lenovo machine.
You're talking crap.
Ya know when he starts by saying, “ewwwww, gross” it’s gonna be an interesting video.
My interest and excitement starts peaking when Steve said the magic word:
"What? but why?"
I love the virtual confetti! I don't think most people get how badly a single ram chip can gimp a system. I knew it could gimp it, but I didn't think it would degrade the performance a full CPU category. I wonder what ram configuration companies use making required and recommended system requirements?
Another day another prebuilt let's goooo
Great video Steve, please don't stop with these videos about pre-built PC's. :)
"its better than dell" should be a tshirt...it would be interesting to see a pc from redux, been seeing a bunch of commercials for them on youtube and have been asked by friends if theyre any good...i offered to help them build their own but no go, which is good since i dont want to be their go to it guy
Thanks for these reviews and especially tear-downs. It gives me a good overview of what to look for when an acquaintance buys one and inevitably asks me to do technical support on it.
"The only thing we expected when we ordered it was that we'd hate the case. And we do."
That timing lmao. Why is it so hard to make a good case? It's not just a box to throw a bunch of parts into. Why is it so rare to find enclosures that aren't hot garbage?
"Hot garbage" I see what you did there 😉
What's bad is that this is actually good for an OEM case, clearly Gamers Nexus didn't dig too deep into them besides Dell and now Lenovo (focusing on SIs), because the rest of them are closer to Dell than to Lenovo's worst Legion case, yikes.
And the funnier part is their AMD systems have a faaaarrr better case. Like it's no contest. But then that begs the question, why not have the same case on both systems, why give Intel such an abominable case?! Especially considering their reputation of being expensive and quality?! O_o
@@roundduckkira I'd assume it's related to product sales figures. OEM probably thought they'd sell more AMD rigs and so in turn invest better parts in that. It happened way back when Intel was the performance leader and they get priority over premium designs. (Matter of fact - the situation is reversed in laptop markets where Intel to this day still gets better OEM support as oppose to AMD.)
@@roundduckkira likely the AMD systems were designed more recently than the intel ones. so they get newer batches of parts, updated cases, better thought out designs. Meanwhile, updating the intel systems (especially one thats likely a clearance box given the 'aged' hardware) means throwing out parts that have already been delivered, or cancelling contracts for those parts already ordered but not delivered.
@@RuggedKnight that could explain it, the Intel casing looks like a hybrid of the AMD design and the previous generation Legion design which still has the spoiler and plastickiness and other issues and the drive caddy connection design (but more proprietaryish), but also lacking the newer and much improved Legion coolers and that "meshy" black front look the AMD system has, just faked.
Then again tho the previous gen case did have a small mesh tho, not as nice as the AMD system, but still
Edit: oh and the t7i systems, their higher end Intels, use a bigger version of the T5 AMD case, and the same case as their AMD T7 counterpart. Indeed Intel t5i seems to be older.
why didnt u make a review on the amd version of this like u said? its the best oem prebuilt on the market. mesh top and front. 2 fans on the front, 2 on top, 1 at the back and 1 cpu fan. so airflow is literally perfect, and best out of every oem. can get 16gb 3200mhz dual channel with a rtx 3000 gpu and ryzen 5000 cpu. 500gb or 1tb ssd and standard b550 board. i literally cant see any downside to it, feels almost like a self build
I like how the case has a ducktail spoiler
I know owo
This is how Lenovo likes to let you know it is half-assed ready to run forza
@@CaveyMoth kinda cringe bro
@@whatsanobeen lmfao
@@CaveyMoth cringe
"Dis Assembly" would be a cool name for a GN rap crew.
😂
dis assembly play the game make an entry, no Rtx but frames got plenty,
I'm on Atx your still up eating Pi's, no heatsinks your chipset bouta die
messing with pros get you de lidded, put ina a bin and then locked up in a prison
rammed up with sticks to refresh your memory, seems the c mos still complimentary
hard to the core but you still need more, power supply's and chiplets to be available in stores.
First off, build your PC to the spec you claim
TechTube, when we test, come equipped with games
You claim to be a good build, but I wrekt your RAM
We bust on bad builds, please airflow this sham
I'm gonna print this thread out and hang it up on my wall, well played guys 🤣
"benchmarks before disassembly" is also like a decent metal/rock band name
I have that exact keyboard and it's lasted literally 5 years with no issues. It's not that bad.
I think that thermal pad is meant to keep the cooler from sagging into the chip in that corner and the big plate on the GFX card is typically used on super cheap cases to spread the weight and stop the screw hole from ovaling out over time. Not sure if that's the case here but I've seen it on builds using cheap cases quite often back in the day.
Since you mentioned the issue several times, it would have been interesting (and useful) to see what difference two 4GB memory sticks would have made to the performance numbers, even if just for one game. Just a suggestion.
yeah fr he acts like the average person couldn't stick ram in a computer..
@@kaidenbrooks7480 In this series, GN is specifically looking at the out-of-the-box experience of prebuilt systems, with the expectation that the end-user *specifically does not* need to futz around inside it to get it working properly. This one was competently assembled, which already elevates it above some of the competition (both in this price range and some substantially higher ones), but the poor RAM configuration seriously lets it down. That's an entirely valid conclusion to draw for the benefit of a GN viewer looking for a prebuilt system to recommend to their tech-illiterate aunt to give to their school-aged child - to construct just one plausible example.
@@kaidenbrooks7480You realize it's just as easy for a fucking computer company to do so. You aren't helping your case.
All these SIs and other manufacturers should be thanking you for providing actual quality control. I'm certain you can point to changes that have been made in direct response to any number of your teardown videos. Good work as always GN!
28IMB05 model specifically had a lawsuit for its incessant crashing where Reddit's solutions become having to disable a USB hub manager or disable audio in the BIOS.
I on the other hand took the free update to Windows 11 but Lenovo's driver updates are only for Windows 10... what a pain prebuilts can be.
What makes these OEM/SI systems so sad is the majority of the people buying them will never see a techtube review like this before purchase. The damn things should just work.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were deliberately taking advantage of the fact that there are very few places that offer easily digestible reviews and comparisons for these kind of machines, even less that would also be aimed at people who don't know much about computers in the first place.
That thin metal piece jammed in between the case and the GPU is EMI gasket. It's entire purpose is to be conductive and fill up any space between case and card bracket.
OEMs unlike SIs have to deal with electromagnetic noise compliance rules.
23:47 "Nobody benefits from this stuff"
Lenovo does, and that's all they care about
28:47 "This isn't the worst thing you could buy" That should have been the final pop-the-balloons award
Love the review on the New Lenovo Legion 5i (pronounced 5ie)
5Tie*
Wish that you’d do a review of a system from the actual SI vs a retailer. Either way, great vids and lots of good information!
They call it a spoiler because it spoils your hope of being able to use an under-desk PC mount
You should add a metric of "WHYs" per build for comparing these builds. You can actually go back and count them from the other videos and put in a graph, starting with the next one.
Does the spoiler/wing on the back of the PC case improve the aerodynamics and flow of the air in the case somehow? Does this case have an issue with not enough downforce to keep it on the desk?
They removed the chipset heatsink to make it go faster and now it's too light to stay on the track. Downforce good.
With all that power, the only thing holding it back is a plastic spoiler and a single stick of memory.
And lack of a red stripe.
Walmart has a prebuilt system for $1000. I don't remember all the specs but I do know it has a 2060 in it, and it's sold in stores (which isn't saying much, but my town isn't tech savvy so having a dedicated PC gaming section at Walmart is honestly pretty cool).
The design of the tower cooler is definitely optimized to "survive being shipped to the customer" and just by visual inspection it does better on this front than most aftermarket enthusiast equivalents, which often rely on clipping the heatsink to the board and/or clipping the fans to the heatsink.
Fun fact for gamers nexus, the reason some cases don't have a bottom grill or opening for the power supply has to do with fire safety. The idea is that if the power supply fails and catches fire, the debris and bits that are on fire can't fall out of the case and spread the fire further, but should be contained within the case. Don't know if that was the idea philosophy here, but at least some antec cases in the past have done this.
Hey Steve, I didn't know where to request it so I'm doing it here: With the release of Sharkoon's REV300 case, I'd welcome a proper thermal analysis of it's 45degree angled design. Thanks!!
Great work on this review. Thanks for sharing.
When your 1000$ Lenovo laptop from a year ago is the same as their new High end PC....
I am sure you can get even more expensive Lenovo desktop PCs...
These prebuilts may be garbage but your mouse mats aren't! Just got mine in the mail today and not only does my mouse track really accurately on it, but it didn't move ONE BIT from where I placed it after hours of gaming. Solid. Thanks Steve.
And this is why you build your own pc.
I bought one of these in late 2020 it didn’t have a hard drive, only the 250g ssd i7 10700 and a 2060 which I have since determined is a rebranded Zotac card. I got it for $980 it had two sticks of RAM 16g 3200 and one of the front panel fans was installed backwards causing the CPU temps skyrocket, fixed that figured someone on the line had a bad day or something, ran great. Every time their is an issue with the system it has something to do with the motherboard, the system started hanging and giving me BSODs randomly, figured it was the old hard drive I had put in the system ran some tests and uninstalled the drive worked fine for about a week and it started doing it again. After nearly 10 months and a case change there where rumors of bad audio drivers causing BSODs on the Lenovo forums, so I dug into the system for two days before I gave up and contacted the support page, they remotely uninstalled and replaced my audio drivers and updated my Bios. It worked, for a few days. I bought a desktop audio interface and disabled the built in audio controller in the Bios and bam no more blue screens or hangs. About a week ago the Wi-Fi card died so I replaced it with a newer intel based PCIe card and came to realize that the motherboard has no USB headers other than the USB3 for the case IO panel. Now I have working Wi-Fi but no Bluetooth until I can get an adapter that’ll give me a USB header, other than that runs like a dream. I wouldn’t recommend this system simply because of the motherboard other than that it’s decent and i took a look at the 2060 and it looks pretty decent no missing or weirdly placed thermal pads as far as I could see.
You know it's a good video when Steve starts off the video by saying "Why would you do that? We can't have nice things."
My speculation on why the PC came in a bag with a tamper seal sticker is this...
It is not a measure against consumers, but to detect tampering while in a warehouse or in transit.
I've heard stories recently about people breaking into warehouses to steal PCs and PC parts.
It's not going to stop people stealing stuff from the PCs, but it should at least prevent an attentive warehouse worker from shipping a PC that's been gutted.
One stick of RAM? Oh, Dawid Does Tech Stuff isn't going to like this...
One stick of RAM is Dawid’s nemesis
Dawid has already reviewed this prebuilt.
Dawid is a soy filled annoying e-celeb who doesnt actually know anything technical about computers. Most of his opinions are directly from PCMR subreddit. The whole snobby pc reddit gamer comes off bad and unintelligible
Would love another PSU breakdown/review... maybe that 500W Thermaltake model from a few prebuilts back
Great review! Id love to see you guys do a PCH/chipset breakdown like you have RAM and other stuff. I have a general idea of what modern ones do, but specifics and history with development and stuff, South bridge etc would be awesome. Just an idea! :)
Maybe the difference in the hole size on the front panel fan mounts is for noise reasons? I know fans make an annoying high pitched noise when they're up against a grill so maybe the different sizes makes the noise more separated instead of attenuating each other and getting louder.
Dell just puts e-waste in everything with a few warranties for more e-waste
Hitman 1/2/3 is an underrated option for benchmarks, I appreciate it being included!
"My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined."
In the 6th section, you compared the Thermals with the front off and on. I ordered a Legion 5i. When it came I read on the forums that the fans in the front are often installed facing the wrong way. Mine were facing the wrong way too! I switched it around and the cooling was significantly better. Might want to check that if you didn't notice. (TLDR - the intake was blowing out instead of sucking in the front)
That "shouldn't exist" got me dying.
If you have a newer HP it will download HP Touchpoint Analytics (spyware)... even if you install a clean copy of Windows.
This software causes some HPs to freeze/ lock-up, below is steps to disable it.
How to Disable HP Touchpoint Analytics:
1. Press Windows key + R key shortcut to bring up the Run box.
Alternatively, you can right-click on the Windows button and click on “Run”.
2. Type in _“services.msc”_ and hit Enter or click “OK”.
3. Look for "HP Analytics Services" in the list that shows up .
4. If you find it, right-click on it and select “Stop”. But we’re not done yet.
5. Double-click on the entry and in the “Startup type” selection, choose “Disabled”.
6. Click the "Recovery" tab, switch the three "Failure" drop-boxes to "Take No Action"
7. Un-check the box for "Enable actions for stops with errors"
8. You're Done
EDIT: You may want to also do these steps and disable five services with "HP HSA services" in their names.
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22:31 - Just the glance at the taskbar and seeing the McAfee icon makes me wonder, how much must companies pay to companies like Lenovo to devalue their products.
In the 6th section, you compared the Thermals with the front off and on. I ordered a Legion 5i. When it came I read on the forums that the fans in the front are often installed facing the wrong way. Mine were facing the wrong way too! I switched it around and the cooling was significantly better. Might want to check that if you didn't notice. (TLDR - the intake was blowing out instead of sucking in the front)
Love the content as always! Very thorough. I would love to see how much a better RAM configuration would benefit this Lenovo, or how some simple changes you would make to these prebuilts would improve their performance, compared to how they were out of box. Just to actually see what kind of difference the OEMs could have had.
Thank y’all I was on the fence between the legion 5 and the abs challenger. Gonna go abs
High praise from Steve:
"It's not the worst we've seen" AND "it's better than Dell" :D
Hey Steve. Please review a prebuilt HP gaming PC. I have been using an HP Envy Phoenix 810-370st and it has never given me any problem. It has a liquid cooled CPU from HP and I also upgraded the ram to 32GB and changed the power supply to 800watts. I also put a 1070ti. Everyone makes fun of me for having a prebuilt HP as my gaming rig but I love it.
Was wondering if you have a criteria list to follow when it comes to what you should expect in a low end system, a mid range system and a high end system. That would be nice for reference.
Unfortunately, with part makers constantly adding new parts to the market, and price fluctuations of different parts(ie ram, chips, etc) such a review would rapidly become irrelevant.
Gotta love the "Noise Killer" on the PSU.
4:46 "we have been let down, tremendously, and our days have been ruined...". I mean - this cannot be more true to the spirit of a person who really wants a good gaming pc.
I almost got one of these Lenovo towers around new years' time. Eventually decided to throw in some extra money and build a system from parts completely, now very glad I did that instead of going the prebuilt route.
One thing to consider looking into with these pre-builts, especially with something like a 10700 non-K, is whether the BIOS is enforcing the Intel "recommended" TDP limits by default and whether the user can bypass them.
The performance difference between the Intel limits being on or off is going to be massive on a 10700 Non-K, and if you get stuck with no way to set your own or bypass them altogether, that is a massive performance difference vs a competing model that will (likely because they are using an off the shelf board).
Good question. I always assume if it's a prebuilt, esp HP, BIOS is stripped of anything at all related to tuning power limits etc
I have the amd version with glass on the side, dual ram 16gb ryzen 7 1660 super 400w power supply and its been good for me I'm super noob and been trying to learn and so far pleased with it, I'd love to see a review and tear down of it on your channel
Hahaha Steve sounded so defeated when he was giving the "Not the worst I've seen" award for the CPU cooler.
Being able to call a $1000 system "High-end" is crazy! We've come a long way from just 2 years ago!
I’m kind of curious about that cooler. It looks like an interesting solution to allow a 120mm fan tower cooler with a lower profile.
I kinda like how ingenious the cpu cooler mounting is. Not necessarily user-friendly, but a fairly clever solution.
I have the Lenovo Legion 7i Tower and I absolutely love the PC. It was more than double to price of this system but it is worth every penny to me. 3 120mm intake fans on the front with a mesh panel and a 240mm AIO exhaust. This cooling setup works well with the 10900k and RTX 2080 Super and keeps temps reasonably low! Also came with 32GB of RAM (2x16), 1TB NVMe SSD and a 1TB HDD. When I bought the PC I also got a nice 15% cash back from Rakuten so it was an even better deal!!!
Best prebuilt out there besides that Ram situation.
Recently recommended to a friend HP Omen with 5700G and RTX 3060. I was impressed by the cable management and the memory (Kingston Fury 3200 MHz). The card is with heat pipes and heavy. Also there is a anti sag mount. Sadly the CPU cooler is similar to Dells solution. There is a version with liquid cooler that I would love to see a review of. The biggest downside is that you can't mount third party case fans. So far, my friend is satisfied tho...
1660 Super being "higher end" is really depressing
The RX 5500XT being more "high end" than that is absurd, too.
I have a 5700XT OC and it's decent, but in this market I payed $500 for it. That's pretty substantial, but if you note the difference in price (0:49 $1050 -> $1559), they clearly marked the price up even farther than that for a worse card. You would think that Lenovo would have better supply chain infrastructure than I do but...