Oh god, this video has made me realize how hopelessly behind the times i am with my VST selection... I still use half the plugins shown in this video 😂 ... and I still use samples from those Future Music CDs sometimes too!! TAL Dub 2 is still objectively fantastic though. Far better than you'd expect for free.
@@AudioPilz Fantastic, isn't it? Dub 2 is perhaps my favourite delay of all time and TAL Sampler is... well, an extremely good soft sampler with lots of lovely character and tone and if I remember correctly, can be had for less than £20. Godbless TAL!
This video brought me directly to the past. Other than Ableton, I saw nearly all my plugins together. They were fine, they were no CPU hungry and everything was great. The best part was I was younger and more positive than I am today. Thanks for the video.
Yeeee, the first XP comment in the vid was mine :D EDIT: Most of the VST's and VSTi's that you showed here hold up exceptionally well in 2020. They are no joke, especially the entire line of freebies by TAL.
It"s facinating how a small amount of compute power (compared today) can produce so much value. Today the softwares are just getting slower and slower because of the fast release schedules.
I loved Windows XP for its stability and simplicity. It was a solid, straightforward OS without too many bells and whistles, and it WORKED. Most of the time.
What a fantastic episode! Quite different from the hardware eps but super interesting, really glad you went to the effort of filming, capturing & editing this one for us!
I wish I still had my Windows 98 PC, the one I built back in 1998. I used Acid Pro to create music with that machine, and I don't recall what happened to it but all my original project files got lost when that machine got replaced. I recorded voice using a lapel mic plugged into the sound card microphone input, and created loops using Propellerheads Rebirth to try to fake 303 bass lines. It was a lot of fun, but extremely primitive! Things got RAPIDLY better in the 2000's. I remember finding plugins like Audio Damage's cellular Automation, and Ohm Force's Quad Fromage. Some of them might be from the later half of 2000, I don't quite remember. There's lots of plugins from that era that are still very useful today! I have two unfinished audio projects on my channel, the first one being something that started with me recording an interesting patch of the X-Station 25 (it's the very first sound you hear and I eventually added to the sound by holding down additional notes) that uses some loops and some interesting plugins. Then the second one is the first one just fed into some other plugins to make it sound totally different. In 2007, I was working for a company in Michigan, sending me all over the state. I'd have to inspect welds on vessels that a shop were building. Lots of times I was sitting in an office by myself, with nothing but time to kill. I loaded a copy of Acid Pro onto my company laptop and would work on music. Trent Reznor had released the master tracks for the songs on "Year Zero" so I made a remix of "Vessel." I think I only used the original master tracks and some audio plugins for the entire thing, other than some sliding electric guitar that I recorded straight into the mic in port on the laptop that I blended in towards the end of the song. Unfortunately, like most of my old audio projects, I don't know what happened to the project files and in this case, while I swear I uploaded the final song to nin.com, the only thing I've been able to find since then was an incomplete "demo" version from when I was about halfway through it. Like an idiot, I often uploaded music to Myspace, expecting it to always be available as a backup due to the popularity of the site, and my music got deleted in "The Great Myspace Music Oopsie." I had it on various other sites as well, but those other sites vanished just as randomly as the music on Myspace did, so... oh well. Sorry for the wall of text, this video opened a can of worms for me. I need to return to musical productivity! No excuses!
I personally hated the XP graphical style, and all of the stuff that sort of went along with that era. I preferred the more generic but utilitarian Windows 98 aesthetic (I would always change my XP settings to basically mimic that of 98, and I still prefer 98 over XP to this day). I'm the kind of person who would install Winamp and then immediately set it to the classic skin in lieu of the modern one. I swear I'm not a curmudgeon, I just never liked the early 2000's overly graphical things compared to the simpler, more straightforward styles.
@@rars0n The Windows XP Luna theme isn't actually THAT much of a masterpiece of graphical design, but then most had their flaws, including the Windows 7 theme. Not to speak of the abomination that is modern Windows ever since 8, with a weird mix of... everything. Pretty good were downloadable Royale Noir and Zune themes for Windows XP though. Wish i could still use them.
@@SianaGearz XP themes were great. Mostly some over the top early naughties design language but I still find some of them really beautiful. The mishmash of win 10 is an eyesore to say the least. Settings app? Metro UI. Control panel? NT UI from windows Vista/XP. Eek. I really enjoy the metro UI and I think win10 has one of the most beautiful interfaces of modern OSes but it was about time Microsoft got their shit together and get a coherent design language going on. This has been going on since windows Vista, so, roughly 16 years. Yikes
@@SianaGearz I'll be honest: the Windows XP desktop theme made me want to puke when I first saw it. 98 was streamlined and neat, with 2000 being more of the same, but then XP had to go and turn the Start button green and the taskbar blue, with needless curves and blobs everywhere, making it look like the Fisher Price version of Windows. I used to download beta versions of Windows well before release and was dumbfounded when I finally saw the default theme of retail XP. That, and the stupid changes they made to the Start Menu turned me off of XP for months after it had been released. 7 was a huge improvement. I had downloaded Longhorn (Vista) when it was in development and it ran like complete crap on my very competent self-built PC, so I knew I was skipping Vista. 7 surprised me with how nice it looked and how well it worked even though drivers for some things were still a bit of an issue. Windows 8, regardless of what people thought about it, was light and snappy. And yes, it had a Start button, it was simply a single pixel because it turns out, that actually makes a lot of sense. There's nothing more I used to hate then working on a Windows 8 machine that someone had installed Classic Start/Shell/Whatever on, which totally changed the normal function of the Windows 8 start button. I digress, and will save my diatribe for another time, but I am firmly of the belief that Windows 8 was a good operating system. It's flat UI design is functional and easy to use, without the needless visual flair of 7 (I mean, if you want a fancy-looking UI, just use a Mac). I have grown to HATE XP. I'll take Windows 7, 8, 10, and even 98 over XP any day of the week. XP is the most bloated, patchwork piece of crap that Microsoft has ever created. Yeah, it wasn't that way at first, but today? It's a complete mess. You can thank all of the people who refused to move on from XP for that. Microsoft had no choice but to support the zombie OS long after they should have, and it shows.
Still using XP is not totally illogical. Personally I’ve kept to 32 bit windows due to the plethora of drivers, sampler editors, soundcards etc that have never been updated....if you run old gear and want to access to their editors etc it’s way less problematic than trying to get them to install and function under windows 10!
@@tronlady1 yes correct...but that's a compromise I've found you just have to live with if you want to maintain compatibility with all the old software/interfaces
Depends ... if you're running a separate WinXP machine to do things like "still interface with your MPC4000 via the 32 bit only software", I would say "I guess it's useful to still have one around". If you're talking about using it as a main DAW? Just no. Even pretending you don't care about it (I rarely use softsynths personally) some modern kontakt libraries won't even fit in the 4 gigs WinXP supports. If you're still running audio interfaces that require 32 bit XP maybe it's time to upgrade?
While everyone was using Windows XP I was still recording everything on a Boss BR-600. My logic? It had a button that said "mix" and a button that said "mastering." Clearly it was doing all the work of these plugins with just one button. I'm an idiot. That being said, for an imbecile such as myself the Boss BR-600 probably sounded better than a legit software DAW would have, given that I had no idea what I was doing.
I actually bought BR 600 in 2016 or 2017, it was very cool, I wanted to record band rehersals and live shows with it, it used it few times for that but I found out that my Lumia 735 is good enough for recording rehersals, it sounded clean and didn't clip even if we played very loud. It was easier to record rehersals with my phone, live shows were supposed to be recorded off board into computer, and I didn't need BR 600 anymore so I sold it last year. Before I sold it I sampled all the drum sounds and I use them since they sound better than drums on my Yamaha PSR 220 (thought drums on my Roland D110 are cool too). I didn't learn to use full potential of BR 600 but I liked it. Worst thing about it: It was supposed to accept 1GB card but it came with 10GB card and worked well, until I recorded so much that it took more than 1GB of space, then I couldn't export some of the recordings and I have to plug headphone out to the computer and play the recordings while recording in Audacity.
@@willprince643 I never explored its full potential, either. And those Boss effects! So good! The only bad things about it were the clunky user interface and the complete lack of storage space. I wouldn't recommend recording more than one song! Then you had to import everything to a computer with a hard drive and actual storage space. Oof what a pain! I still have mine, though. I don't know why. So cool that AudioPilz had one of these compact little mixer/recorders. They may not have been the best but they got the job done!
The most surprising thing about this episode was the mismatched color stacking in Solitare. Also, NaiveLPF, Plugsound Free, and the Classic plugins are excellent. I still use them myself. Starsynth2 Bass and ConcreteFX Rock have some great sound capabilities
Ah... this brought back happy Windows 98 memories of having to go from noodling around with an idea to finished track in one session with the demo version of Fruity Loops 3, which didn't save anything but did export .WAV files!
I needed a duel boot Windows XP and Windows 98 because my Alesis ADAT Connect Card only worked with Win98. ...It made some great recordings, but I don't miss digitizing 8-tracks of ADAT in real-time, or configuring its SCSI hard drive, or burning backup CDs, which no longer work!
Wanna listen to the remix dissected in the episode? open.spotify.com/album/6plZPg... th-cam.com/video/xOTXjkBogfY/w-d-xo.html The original song: open.spotify.com/album/4SsGu2... th-cam.com/video/U_p7sFwfQZw/w-d-xo.html Gudruns webpage: www.gugabriel.com/
Such a great idea, using an old computer as a sound module! I found a totally-working early-00s Macbook in a free pile and am gonna do this with it. I love using weird, half-working, or unpopular things to make music with; if you have the vision, you can get good (read: "useable") sounds out of almost any gear. Thanks for your funny and interesting videos!
I still have several XP PCs running software that still works. I've not thrown out my SH101 or Pro-One because it is old tech, nor do I intend to scrap my PC for the same reason. Besides all those plugins many of which were free, I still like the sound of them. What goes out of fashion may well come back in. Who knows?
I recently adopted an old Vista laptop, after being asked by my aunt to remove the hard drive and smash it only to find it still works. I got Reaper to run on it at 6 ms latency or so which is "ok" so it's good to know the Variety of Sound and TAL plugins will work too. I have a much better and newer laptop of course, but maybe I'll try do something on this for the hell of it and see how far I get.
Being sincere I still using winxp in an old laptop that came with windows 8. Most of my old junk- I mean old gears like late 2000's USB sound card and midi controleers that I still have, works better in a xp service pack 3, than on my 2018 desktop with win 10. I like the limited environment to produce the simple ideas and arrangements in my all mighty ableton live 8.2, and then switch to my desktop for mixing, processing and stuff. Awesome video for sure!
Korg monotron delay would be interesting, even though it's just an effect module... But still, the amount of noise coming from this thing should be good enough for a whole episode
Thanks for take me back in the past about my fabulous experimentations of all thoses 32bit plugins, Gltich was totaly awesome, i was take the Stutter edit too, crazy! XP
Gona take a sentimental journey … with all those beloved plug-ins. If only I could sync Nuendo on my XP desktop to Reaper on my Win11 laptop without tons of lag. I still use it for some soft synths though. Rendering individual tracks as stems and reimport into Reaper on the new machine. It‘s a workflow killer, but for old time‘s sake …
still using XP as the main music system. It runs a 8x8 and 4x4 midi interfaces, modded maudio 1010 and most good 32bit plugs. it syncs great to all my outboard synths and sequencers. No trouble at all and will run 10 full audio stems with automation and all the plugins I need. I wouldnt upgrade if you paid me to buy all of my software AGAIN. nearly 20 years old. Thats great value for money.
Problem was that the 64 bit version of XP wasn't good and if you are stuck with the 32-bit version you are limited to 3.5 Gb (4 is the upper limit, but the last 0.5 GB is reserved for some OS specific things) and that is extremely limiting if you are using some of the sample libraries, probably up to a point where it wouldn't be usable. But without overuse of sample libraries it can still be usable. But then there is the possible problem with newer hardware released the last couple of years.
@@Magnus_Loov as I’ve got older, I value my workstation. I realise it’s not what you have but how you craft something with the tools you have. I also have win 10 and 7 laptops and also Mac OS X iMac too. The do is still a more open is than any of them and has been the single most creative tool I’ve had in my studio over the last 25 years. More power doesn’t equate to better music.
You should look at the Yamaha DX9. From what I can tell, it's the bastard of the DX series that almost nobody loves. The other 4-operator keyboards had some quirk or charm to keep them alive but nobody talks about this one since it's pretty much a bottlenecked DX7 without the nice keybed.
It’s more like the first attempt at the DX 21/27/100 line www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/3sycvb/dx27_vs_dx9_what_exactly_are_the_differences/ I have a broken DX100. It’s not “bad”, though. I knew I was getting the bargain basement model when I got it back in ‘88. The DX 9? Nobody knows 😁
Ohmforce plugins, Camel audio plugin, DELAY LAMA, Audiorealism bassline, GLITCH2, Junglist synth, Absynth 1, FM7, Massive, Waves bundle, Guitar ring, Battery, Nomad factory, Purity,... dat was some on my stuff on 32BIT XP. Was perfect for my young creative explosion! and a good school. Thanks for xp, will never be a bad gear for xp and music, but im on win10 today ^^; Even if i still got my xp computer. And ive watch your video at 0.75 speed because im too tired, now i can understand all ;D .
Xp was amazing when installed correctly for Audio - always install as "Standard PC" and not "ACPI" reaps a huge performance boost. - thanks for the trip down memory lane.....
probably XP is the best, because a lot of old cool audio software does not work on newer versions, and pretty many of librarians/editors for old hardware too.
True! And lots of experimental music software that gives interesting results. I had this DOS program with bouncing blobs and lines. You drew them with your mouse and added sounds to them. The size of the blobs and bounces all had effect on on the sound. I actually made some nice soundtracks with it but I forgot the name.
If you go further back, there's a lot of professional audio stuff for the Atari ST. This stuff can be run in an emulator. For example, Steinberg made a synth editor for the Roland D-20 and using the emulator Steem, it's possible to use that to program patches over MIDI instead of using the terrible built-in interface. My point being, sometimes there are other options than just running it on the original system. (Personally, I'm not a big fan of XP due to how bloated it became and how much of a pain in the ass maintaining it became because of that, and I like the simple, directness of Windows 98, which can actually run a lot of XP software if you set it up right.)
If it's old.... it's gold!! I've still got one of my XP PC's hanging about (XP pro on it) and it's still a juicy little beast and allows for all manner of things when I look for old stuff. Otherwise it's grab free VSTs from VST4FREE and try and remember how something sounded and find the closest synth and FX chain to get what I want. Just went to have a look at what was on the PC and it had an Audigy 2 card and livedrive which was a treat to use.
You were so fully kitted out back in the day. Freakin' 2 nords and UAD and liquid channel. That was the shoot the moon setup. I remember plugging UAD1s into my PowerPC Macintosh. This is a rad kit.
ohh I still have Windows XP installed on my old Mac Pro via bootcamp for legacy projects - it rock solid no nonsense system which only compares to the latest MAC OS iterations. And that Plugsound 3 brought me to tears...
If your software/hardware configuration is compatible with it, XP 64 bit edition might not be a bad choice, going down this route. The 3GB RAM limit XP Home/Pro has might be a bit tight nowadays, but then keeping yourself restricted to that limit might be part of the charm.
@@AudioPilz Yeah, it would definitely be about how much/how big samples you could have in memory before things get paged to disk or need to be unloaded, haha.
ah, dblue glitch. everybody who's ever produced music with any kind of glitch in it's used it at least once in their life. also thank you so much for that vos plug! i've been on the hunt for a good la-2a emulation that's not expensive for a while now.
"These ancient terrible plugins" proceeds to use Ferric TDS, TAL Bassline, and FM8 which are all still relevant today On a serious note, FM8 still kicks, TAL Bassline has been succeeded by a really nice paid 101 emulation, and Ferric TDS is still being updated 15 years later and sounds great IMO
@@djBlindFaith yep, the lightscribe option was the best part of the process, remember how insanely long it took to print a single cd in the "darker "quality?? That was insane, I think it was something like 2 hours each.
I don't know if this would count, but would you consider doing an episode of the Akai S-2000? A lot of people seem to dislike it because of its interface, but not much else.
Totally missed this episode!! Probably because at that time I was thrown out of my rented playspace filled with synths. Luckily I found a space nearby that lit the fire to build a complete recording studio. Still building to this date. Timing kinda sucked back then as there was a virus running amok.. Anyway. WinXP! Loving it! Still use it as a necessity as a couple MOTU's, synth editors ánd the Roland VariOS just don't work an OS better. Same reason I keep this old MacBook with PPC around to program the MOTU Midi Timepeace as the machine doesn't work with Intel cpu's.. And being a sucker for old VA stuff, I'll keep using that until it dies completely dead. Which will sadden me, these old Timepieces are truly awesome! 16x16 midichannels to control! Because I can! A late but cincere thanks for this one, Mr Pilz! Amazing how you memegame took a nosedive to the better! ;-)
dBlue Glitch is brilliant, especially for a free plugin. I tend to use Gross Beat more often these days, but dBlue still has its place and is a timeless classic
Up until 2012 I used a Win XP OS hosting PG Music's Power Tracks. My hardware was a few MOTU rack mounted pieces that couldn't be configured without an app that ran on XP and not on anything later.
*There is one specific reason to keep XP around; real time multitrack recording of instruments and vocals has zero latency.* You click play for the ensemble, you record your instrument and there is always some latency on 8, 8.1 and 10 even if your DAW is automated and fixes it without you lifting a finger. If you want to record multiple channels to multiple tracks at once say like a 5 piece band? *If you don't have a 100K dumped into a studio, you can dump 100 minutes into a partition, XP installation and whatever DAWs you prefer.*
One of my favourite TH-cam channels. I miss XP too, only ever used it air-gapped myself. Don't miss the crashes and the clunky plug-ins though. My modern production DAW PC is also air-gapped, but Win 10 is just a pain in other ways now..
The DAW I built for myself last year runs Windows XP SP3 on purpose. It's not connected to the internet in any way and that keeps it secure. It's an Intel Xeon 3320 (same processor as the Core 2 Quad Q6600) with 2GB of RAM running Sonar 8PE, FL Studio 10, a buttload of plugins, and SoundForge 8. I was using it with a Tascam US428 interface/controller, but back in January I picked up a Tascam FW-1082 firewire interface and control surface. I have a 1st Gen M-Audio Axiom 25 and 49 as well as a 1st gen Trigger Finger for controllers and Enigma to take care of programing the three of them. I also have an MPC500, Korg EA-1, Boss DR660 and Boss DS330 all connected and integrated fully. "It Just Werks" is what you could say about it. Hasn't had so much as a hiccup. I don't need anything newer because this handles anything I throw at it.
I still love my Future music CD´s from 1998, in the beginning this was my only source for badass samples and free plugins. (i was a late bloomer on using the interwebz.)
Man! Great episode! I’m watching lots of your old videos lately. My 2007 Acer with XP still functions flawlessly (indeed, during almost 10 years of use I never had a single BSOD, and never did a clean reinstall of the OS!). I don’t use it now but it’s stored safely away nearby. After getting a 2010 HP laptop from an elderly family friend for free that belonged to her then recently deceased husband in 2012 I began using Win7. Now (as of late 2018, I do everything on my iPad, though I’ve upgraded a few times since) This really brought me back! Using Reaper and Zynwave Podium, MuLab and energyXT. I loved Cygnus! It was nice seeing you using it. Also the free Tal Uno 60! I dug some stuff in the Plugsound Free as well. I really miss Synth1 honestly. I’m glad to have an iOS version of the OB-Xd, but I really wish there was an iOS version of PG-8x and especially the Phonec by Psychic Modulation! Then again…I also really miss my blue Dalmatian iMac and running Reason 2.5 on it. 🙂
I still use the TAL Baseline. In fact I used it on the last electronic track I produced being able to use a VST LFO generator to drive the modulation, something I wasn't able to do back in my XP days...
@@AudioPilz it is a stepchild, and maybe unfinished, but I think the browser makes it very convenient and fast. It hosts most of my old plugins, and it's workflow is conducive to creativity. I find it a comfortable environment to work in. Most of my electronic music(perfidious_ba) was made in XT.
I used XP on my old 2007 Lenovo ThinkPad until last year, 2019. Not connected to the Internet and running Cubase Pro 4, Emagic Sounddiver, and an RME MultiFace PCMCIA soundcard. Perfectly acceptable machine! The only issue was the limit of MIDI ports, which prevented me from using all channels on my MIDI interfaces.
@@AudioPilz Agreed! I would still be using it if it had been possible to connect it to modern computers. RME is still supporting it, IIRC in 2018 I still got firmware and XP driver updates for it.
@@LeadingMotive RME is absolutely fantastic for support - IMO they're by far the BEST Windows focused company for audio equipment/drivers (if you can afford them!). I've had a few RME interfaces and they've all been absolutely rock solid - even in the earlier days when not everything was always quite stable (these days things don't seem to randomly crash lots anymore).
Only discovered your channel a few days ago and I've really been enjoying your vids! Especially the Roland D-110 and Novation Bass Station Rack as I had both of those back in the mid 90s. Originally I started making music on a Commodore Amiga A500 using OctaMED Pro, a tracker similar to ProTracker with support for 4 channels of 8-bit samples and everything else was driven via MIDI (the D-100, Bass Station plus my pride and joy... a Roland Alpha Juno 2 for classic "rave hoover" giggles). But I eventually moved to a PC running Windows 95, then 98, then 2000 and then XP. But my secret weapons were 2 bits of internal hardware: the SoundBlaster AWE32 sound card with 32 MB of RAM and a Yamaha DB-50XG daughterboard which plugged into the SoundBlaster card using the "WaveBlaster" connector. The AWE32 basically gave me the same functionality as an Akai S1000 sampler, but with 16 times as much memory (remember this was the mid 90s!!!) and the DB-50XG is "a sample-based synthesis (Yamaha AWM) with 4Mb of voice ROM, offering 32 note polyphony (last note priority), 16 parts multitimbrality, a truly great 24db/oct. four pole resonant set of filters, and 18-bit D/A conversion. The DB-50 is fully General MIDI compatible, but Yamaha XG offers more sounds (480 voices and 11 drum kits), more signal processing power, and greater control than the standard GM mode. Interestingly, the unit is also Roland GS compatible in TG300B mode that is said to offer yet more voices (untested). The synth card bristles with effects, offering three independent quality 24 bit parallel digital DSP effects processors. The three channels provide reverb (11 types); chorus (12 types); and variation (42 types). Variation operates in either Insert (on one channel) or System mode (across all channels) mode. All effects are editable and may be controlled in real-time with up to 16 parameters per effect, and there are a few cross modulation options." (see sonicstate.com/synth/Yamaha_DB50XG/ for full details). For sequencing I used Cakewalk Express (no idea which version now). I've still got both soundcards, but no longer have a PC with an ISA slot to put them in. Man, thems were the days!
Damn dude that intro seriously opened c:\program files\anxiety.exe!! The stressful memories of begging my outdated computer to render a file or print a report that those sounds bring out😅 Franz Kafka over your shoulder is pretty fitting btw
Man ! that totally kicks the ass of the pentium 3 with less than a Gb of ram I was using at the time . Every time I made a tweak , I had to re-render to mp3 to hear what it sounded like . I love and still use Dblue Glitch and fm8 . Also still a fan of a really simple vsti called Eat More PlasticZ great sounding little synth , so simple it doesn't require setup , just drag and drop the dll .
Openlabs music used XP as the OS for the computer based synth workstations as did a few other custom keyboard workstation-com-computer combo companies. XP was the "SWEET SPOT" on resources, functionality and stability needed for such things. Win7 and 10 are too resource hungry(7), and invasive to your WORK(10). Linux has gained alot of ground in the area of Music production based custom keyboards and name brand keyboards too! Korg, Roland and Yamaha to name a few!! OASYS,KRONOS,FANTOM, and MONTAGE,M3, and others!
I used an old XP pc until last year because it had an incredible PCI card (Sta - ADC&DAC2000 96 khz/24 bit with external 19 inch rack box with 8 inputs and outputs + digital ones on the back of the pc). Never failed me for multitracking since the early nillies...
@@Gekneveld Yep, back in the good old days they were far more stable than USB/Firewire. But, even these days, PCIe cards usually support far better latency than USB alternatives. However, super high speed formats like thunderbolt really are catching up.
Great video. The first thing that came to mind when I saw the title of the video was the Windows XP jam that someone did in Steinburg, using the sultry voice of Microsoft Sam, at the time the default voice for Narrator. That was his finest hour, and that s"ong is still cool.
Crazy how you got samples from cds in magazines instead of internet. And that was already an easier era for electronic music production. There was a time where people got samples from vinyls.
I'd be really interested to see what your overall creative process is like when you make a track for yourself. Do you stay DAWless throughout by using a multitrack recorder, or do you use a DAW for arrangement? The machine that builds the machine can be just as interesting. Thanks for the great videos.
Thanks for watching! I don't have a clearly structured music creation process, it depends on the gear and genre. I'll try to include some kind of "making of" in the future
Loved this... Your video's are the most anticipated on my entire notification list... Perfect mix of knowledge comedy and nostalgia - plus the Euro accent... It's great! All of my favourite producers (trance: Ferry C, Avb, m.i.k.e...etc) have similar accents...
Very meta. XP was XP, and even with your ghetto piker plugin predilection, could be used for serious scandal sedition sound. It's only bad because new things are better and we recovered from XP. I was a Cakewalk user back in the day, and didn't really get with Live until a few years ago. Looks a lot then like it does today.
Wow ! I thought I was a dinosaur keeping using XP for live perfs. Anyway I never caught the point to run after a train, and leaving à comfortable car 😆...
Oh boy. I never used XP for music production, but I use a ton of old and new freeware plugins and samples. That's one of the reasons why I love FL Studio. It can handle fairly well any plugin I throw in it.
Wow! Well done! Good and bad memories coming up. The idea of reviving the old winXP can as a sound and fx toy crossed my mind several times and has been delayed and delayed and delayed... 😅 Thanks for reminding me. Keep up the awesome work!
@@aaronboothe283 Pros of 20-year old VSTs: Likely low resource usage on modern systems, might enable you to create sounds that are hard to find nowadays, if most old Synths age like fine wine it must be true for plugins as well, right? Cons of 20-year old VSTs: Might be older than you and/or the genre of music you make, carries virtual dust into your CPU which may clog the cache
Wow, that was intense - and proved why production of computer based music takes so much time. Indefinite options. Even then. Now it is multiple times more indefinite. (I really tried to understand why multiple times infinity is not greater than simple infinity).
There are multiple levels of infinity! But you can only get between them by multiplying infinities, not real numbers with an infinity. Eg the infinity of integers is one tier below the infinity of all real numbers (with as many decimal places as you like), because you can fit infinitely many decimals between only two integers on the (infinite) number-line. This is called the aleph scale if you’d like to look it up further :)
Was not expecting an OS on this show lmao
Lot of requests for this
Oh god, this video has made me realize how hopelessly behind the times i am with my VST selection... I still use half the plugins shown in this video 😂 ... and I still use samples from those Future Music CDs sometimes too!! TAL Dub 2 is still objectively fantastic though. Far better than you'd expect for free.
Love the TAL stuff so much!
Now don't rush, don't rush! Hold onto that stuff. In just a couple years, the nostalgia wave will hit and you'll be there to ride it!
I have a stack of future music sample cds. They're still great :D keep em.
@@AudioPilz Fantastic, isn't it? Dub 2 is perhaps my favourite delay of all time and TAL Sampler is... well, an extremely good soft sampler with lots of lovely character and tone and if I remember correctly, can be had for less than £20. Godbless TAL!
@@AudioPilz oh my I thought I was the only person who used TAL stuff still. The Dub delays are fantastic.
This is my favorite episode so far! It brought back so many ancient VST memories. Using an old PC as a dedicated virtual instrument is a great idea.
Thank you so much! Quite a trip down memory lane...
Seeing Ainsley Harriotts head peeking over the Microsoft hills made me laugh so hard.
Classic meme!
Me too :)
Cannot believe I only noticed it after reading your comment lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
This video brought me directly to the past. Other than Ableton, I saw nearly all my plugins together. They were fine, they were no CPU hungry and everything was great. The best part was I was younger and more positive than I am today. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!!!
Superwave P8, FM-7/FM-8, Plugsound Free, TAL Bass line, TAL UNO-60, Waldorf Attack - loved them back then, and still do!
Great stuff!
wow a xp pc without propellerheads reason or rebirth come on they must be hiding somewhere .
Had ReBirth ONE on a 1996 MacBook
I have both on my XP x64 PC (Reason 5 & ReBirth 2.0)
@@AudioPilz So many of us started with Rebirth! Worth doing a video!
@@snowleopard9749 Second that. ReBirth was my first love too.
my old Sony laptop had Reason 2.5 but then i upgraded to v3
Yeeee, the first XP comment in the vid was mine :D
EDIT: Most of the VST's and VSTi's that you showed here hold up exceptionally well in 2020. They are no joke, especially the entire line of freebies by TAL.
Thanks for commenting! TAL rules!
It"s facinating how a small amount of compute power (compared today) can produce so much value. Today the softwares are just getting slower and slower because of the fast release schedules.
Yeah, plenty of CPU power wasted!
Oh come on, this isn't old! Let's break out the Win95 box with Vaz, Hammerhead and Buzz \o/
Atari or nothing!😂
And Rubberduck!
And Rebirth
Fuck yes Jeskola Buzz
@@alchimerical2613 RIP arguru
If your going old school maybe a tracker program like digi-tracker or fast-tracker. Cool edit pro was my jam back in the day
Cool Edit had a great timestretch algo!
Audition, which is basically Cool Edit is still my jam and always will be! Even the multitrack!
Yeah, you should do a video on trackers
Still my editor of choice after 25 years
Do you even Gold Wave? 😉
I loved Windows XP for its stability and simplicity. It was a solid, straightforward OS without too many bells and whistles, and it WORKED. Most of the time.
Yeah, most of the time;)
What a fantastic episode! Quite different from the hardware eps but super interesting, really glad you went to the effort of filming, capturing & editing this one for us!
Thanks! My pleasure!
I wish I still had my Windows 98 PC, the one I built back in 1998. I used Acid Pro to create music with that machine, and I don't recall what happened to it but all my original project files got lost when that machine got replaced. I recorded voice using a lapel mic plugged into the sound card microphone input, and created loops using Propellerheads Rebirth to try to fake 303 bass lines. It was a lot of fun, but extremely primitive!
Things got RAPIDLY better in the 2000's. I remember finding plugins like Audio Damage's cellular Automation, and Ohm Force's Quad Fromage. Some of them might be from the later half of 2000, I don't quite remember. There's lots of plugins from that era that are still very useful today! I have two unfinished audio projects on my channel, the first one being something that started with me recording an interesting patch of the X-Station 25 (it's the very first sound you hear and I eventually added to the sound by holding down additional notes) that uses some loops and some interesting plugins. Then the second one is the first one just fed into some other plugins to make it sound totally different.
In 2007, I was working for a company in Michigan, sending me all over the state. I'd have to inspect welds on vessels that a shop were building. Lots of times I was sitting in an office by myself, with nothing but time to kill. I loaded a copy of Acid Pro onto my company laptop and would work on music. Trent Reznor had released the master tracks for the songs on "Year Zero" so I made a remix of "Vessel." I think I only used the original master tracks and some audio plugins for the entire thing, other than some sliding electric guitar that I recorded straight into the mic in port on the laptop that I blended in towards the end of the song.
Unfortunately, like most of my old audio projects, I don't know what happened to the project files and in this case, while I swear I uploaded the final song to nin.com, the only thing I've been able to find since then was an incomplete "demo" version from when I was about halfway through it. Like an idiot, I often uploaded music to Myspace, expecting it to always be available as a backup due to the popularity of the site, and my music got deleted in "The Great Myspace Music Oopsie." I had it on various other sites as well, but those other sites vanished just as randomly as the music on Myspace did, so... oh well.
Sorry for the wall of text, this video opened a can of worms for me. I need to return to musical productivity! No excuses!
I, too, had at least four MySpace accounts for uploading music
I was mangling nine inch nails remixes with vsts in acid pro, too. It's so cool trent reznor did that, I learned a lot from the experience.
The early 2000's design aesthetic is **chef's kiss**
Thank!
I personally hated the XP graphical style, and all of the stuff that sort of went along with that era. I preferred the more generic but utilitarian Windows 98 aesthetic (I would always change my XP settings to basically mimic that of 98, and I still prefer 98 over XP to this day).
I'm the kind of person who would install Winamp and then immediately set it to the classic skin in lieu of the modern one. I swear I'm not a curmudgeon, I just never liked the early 2000's overly graphical things compared to the simpler, more straightforward styles.
@@rars0n The Windows XP Luna theme isn't actually THAT much of a masterpiece of graphical design, but then most had their flaws, including the Windows 7 theme. Not to speak of the abomination that is modern Windows ever since 8, with a weird mix of... everything.
Pretty good were downloadable Royale Noir and Zune themes for Windows XP though. Wish i could still use them.
@@SianaGearz XP themes were great. Mostly some over the top early naughties design language but I still find some of them really beautiful.
The mishmash of win 10 is an eyesore to say the least. Settings app? Metro UI. Control panel? NT UI from windows Vista/XP. Eek.
I really enjoy the metro UI and I think win10 has one of the most beautiful interfaces of modern OSes but it was about time Microsoft got their shit together and get a coherent design language going on.
This has been going on since windows Vista, so, roughly 16 years. Yikes
@@SianaGearz I'll be honest: the Windows XP desktop theme made me want to puke when I first saw it. 98 was streamlined and neat, with 2000 being more of the same, but then XP had to go and turn the Start button green and the taskbar blue, with needless curves and blobs everywhere, making it look like the Fisher Price version of Windows. I used to download beta versions of Windows well before release and was dumbfounded when I finally saw the default theme of retail XP. That, and the stupid changes they made to the Start Menu turned me off of XP for months after it had been released.
7 was a huge improvement. I had downloaded Longhorn (Vista) when it was in development and it ran like complete crap on my very competent self-built PC, so I knew I was skipping Vista. 7 surprised me with how nice it looked and how well it worked even though drivers for some things were still a bit of an issue.
Windows 8, regardless of what people thought about it, was light and snappy. And yes, it had a Start button, it was simply a single pixel because it turns out, that actually makes a lot of sense. There's nothing more I used to hate then working on a Windows 8 machine that someone had installed Classic Start/Shell/Whatever on, which totally changed the normal function of the Windows 8 start button.
I digress, and will save my diatribe for another time, but I am firmly of the belief that Windows 8 was a good operating system. It's flat UI design is functional and easy to use, without the needless visual flair of 7 (I mean, if you want a fancy-looking UI, just use a Mac).
I have grown to HATE XP. I'll take Windows 7, 8, 10, and even 98 over XP any day of the week. XP is the most bloated, patchwork piece of crap that Microsoft has ever created. Yeah, it wasn't that way at first, but today? It's a complete mess. You can thank all of the people who refused to move on from XP for that. Microsoft had no choice but to support the zombie OS long after they should have, and it shows.
I feel like this channel’s gonna have 1 million subs within a year, this content is too excellent
Thanks! Working on it, let's hope for the best
Still using XP is not totally illogical. Personally I’ve kept to 32 bit windows due to the plethora of drivers, sampler editors, soundcards etc that have never been updated....if you run old gear and want to access to their editors etc it’s way less problematic than trying to get them to install and function under windows 10!
Not the best tool to watch Audiopilz, tho;)
But then u don’t get the increased RAM.........
@@tronlady1 yes correct...but that's a compromise I've found you just have to live with if you want to maintain compatibility with all the old software/interfaces
Depends ... if you're running a separate WinXP machine to do things like "still interface with your MPC4000 via the 32 bit only software", I would say "I guess it's useful to still have one around". If you're talking about using it as a main DAW? Just no. Even pretending you don't care about it (I rarely use softsynths personally) some modern kontakt libraries won't even fit in the 4 gigs WinXP supports. If you're still running audio interfaces that require 32 bit XP maybe it's time to upgrade?
@@ryanjay6241 no I use win7 32bit, old version of Kontact runs fine, so do many vst's. don't really use DAW so not an issue for me.
While everyone was using Windows XP I was still recording everything on a Boss BR-600. My logic? It had a button that said "mix" and a button that said "mastering." Clearly it was doing all the work of these plugins with just one button. I'm an idiot. That being said, for an imbecile such as myself the Boss BR-600 probably sounded better than a legit software DAW would have, given that I had no idea what I was doing.
Started out with a Roland VS-840 (weird flex, I know;)
I actually bought BR 600 in 2016 or 2017, it was very cool, I wanted to record band rehersals and live shows with it, it used it few times for that but I found out that my Lumia 735 is good enough for recording rehersals, it sounded clean and didn't clip even if we played very loud. It was easier to record rehersals with my phone, live shows were supposed to be recorded off board into computer, and I didn't need BR 600 anymore so I sold it last year. Before I sold it I sampled all the drum sounds and I use them since they sound better than drums on my Yamaha PSR 220 (thought drums on my Roland D110 are cool too). I didn't learn to use full potential of BR 600 but I liked it. Worst thing about it: It was supposed to accept 1GB card but it came with 10GB card and worked well, until I recorded so much that it took more than 1GB of space, then I couldn't export some of the recordings and I have to plug headphone out to the computer and play the recordings while recording in Audacity.
Maybe Bad Gear episode about Boss BR 600 :P?
@@willprince643 I never explored its full potential, either. And those Boss effects! So good! The only bad things about it were the clunky user interface and the complete lack of storage space. I wouldn't recommend recording more than one song! Then you had to import everything to a computer with a hard drive and actual storage space. Oof what a pain! I still have mine, though. I don't know why. So cool that AudioPilz had one of these compact little mixer/recorders. They may not have been the best but they got the job done!
All my music is made with a br600! It can sound quite good!
The most surprising thing about this episode was the mismatched color stacking in Solitare.
Also, NaiveLPF, Plugsound Free, and the Classic plugins are excellent. I still use them myself. Starsynth2 Bass and ConcreteFX Rock have some great sound capabilities
Great suggestions!
Ah... this brought back happy Windows 98 memories of having to go from noodling around with an idea to finished track in one session with the demo version of Fruity Loops 3, which didn't save anything but did export .WAV files!
That's quite a challenge!
I needed a duel boot Windows XP and Windows 98 because my Alesis ADAT Connect Card only worked with Win98. ...It made some great recordings, but I don't miss digitizing 8-tracks of ADAT in real-time, or configuring its SCSI hard drive, or burning backup CDs, which no longer work!
Wanna listen to the remix dissected in the episode?
open.spotify.com/album/6plZPg...
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The original song:
open.spotify.com/album/4SsGu2...
th-cam.com/video/U_p7sFwfQZw/w-d-xo.html
Gudruns webpage:
www.gugabriel.com/
my name jeff
Sebastian was a bit pissed off :DDD
Thanks for these x
Solid hardware specs! You could totally run red alert or jedi knight at good frame rates.
Psssss, don't tell them;)
I was hoping to find atleast Warcraft 3, KOTOR 2 or maybe even Fable on the desktop section of the video, not some mastering tools! :D
Such a great idea, using an old computer as a sound module! I found a totally-working early-00s Macbook in a free pile and am gonna do this with it. I love using weird, half-working, or unpopular things to make music with; if you have the vision, you can get good (read: "useable") sounds out of almost any gear. Thanks for your funny and interesting videos!
Thanks!
I still have several XP PCs running software that still works. I've not thrown out my SH101 or Pro-One because it is old tech, nor do I intend to scrap my PC for the same reason. Besides all those plugins many of which were free, I still like the sound of them. What goes out of fashion may well come back in. Who knows?
I'd like to see a reissue of all those old plugs
I usually just install Linux on those olden boxen, but unfortunately Linux audio is memetically atrocious.
I recently adopted an old Vista laptop, after being asked by my aunt to remove the hard drive and smash it only to find it still works. I got Reaper to run on it at 6 ms latency or so which is "ok" so it's good to know the Variety of Sound and TAL plugins will work too. I have a much better and newer laptop of course, but maybe I'll try do something on this for the hell of it and see how far I get.
These old 32 bit freeware plugs are often pure gold!
I still have nightmares about Vista. XP was much better!.
Geez, your videos are just so good. Thanks for all the hard work you do, your videos just ooze with style and fantastic editing.
Thank you so much!
Being sincere I still using winxp in an old laptop that came with windows 8. Most of my old junk- I mean old gears like late 2000's USB sound card and midi controleers that I still have, works better in a xp service pack 3, than on my 2018 desktop with win 10. I like the limited environment to produce the simple ideas and arrangements in my all mighty ableton live 8.2, and then switch to my desktop for mixing, processing and stuff. Awesome video for sure!
Thanks! XP still going strong but a little vulnerable on the Internetz
Korg monotron delay would be interesting, even though it's just an effect module... But still, the amount of noise coming from this thing should be good enough for a whole episode
Thanks for the suggestion. It's nice noise, tho ;)
Just wow for this Video. Stunning knowledge and pleased how you use all of the gears and VSTs. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for take me back in the past about my fabulous experimentations of all thoses 32bit plugins, Gltich was totaly awesome, i was take the Stutter edit too, crazy! XP
Gona take a sentimental journey … with all those beloved plug-ins.
If only I could sync Nuendo on my XP desktop to Reaper on my Win11 laptop without tons of lag.
I still use it for some soft synths though. Rendering individual tracks as stems and reimport into Reaper on the new machine. It‘s a workflow killer, but for old time‘s sake …
Have you considered an erm multiclock?
still using XP as the main music system. It runs a 8x8 and 4x4 midi interfaces, modded maudio 1010 and most good 32bit plugs. it syncs great to all my outboard synths and sequencers. No trouble at all and will run 10 full audio stems with automation and all the plugins I need. I wouldnt upgrade if you paid me to buy all of my software AGAIN. nearly 20 years old. Thats great value for money.
Classic DAW workhorse!!!
Problem was that the 64 bit version of XP wasn't good and if you are stuck with the 32-bit version you are limited to 3.5 Gb (4 is the upper limit, but the last 0.5 GB is reserved for some OS specific things) and that is extremely limiting if you are using some of the sample libraries, probably up to a point where it wouldn't be usable. But without overuse of sample libraries it can still be usable.
But then there is the possible problem with newer hardware released the last couple of years.
@@Magnus_Loov as I’ve got older, I value my workstation. I realise it’s not what you have but how you craft something with the tools you have. I also have win 10 and 7 laptops and also Mac OS X iMac too. The do is still a more open is than any of them and has been the single most creative tool I’ve had in my studio over the last 25 years. More power doesn’t equate to better music.
You should look at the Yamaha DX9. From what I can tell, it's the bastard of the DX series that almost nobody loves. The other 4-operator keyboards had some quirk or charm to keep them alive but nobody talks about this one since it's pretty much a bottlenecked DX7 without the nice keybed.
Great input. THX!
Damn, yeah. I always wanted one of those. The lo-fi DX7. Would love to hear more about that.
It’s more like the first attempt at the DX 21/27/100 line
www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/3sycvb/dx27_vs_dx9_what_exactly_are_the_differences/
I have a broken DX100. It’s not “bad”, though. I knew I was getting the bargain basement model when I got it back in ‘88.
The DX 9? Nobody knows 😁
Ohmforce plugins, Camel audio plugin, DELAY LAMA, Audiorealism bassline, GLITCH2, Junglist synth, Absynth 1, FM7, Massive, Waves bundle, Guitar ring, Battery, Nomad factory, Purity,... dat was some on my stuff on 32BIT XP.
Was perfect for my young creative explosion! and a good school. Thanks for xp, will never be a bad gear for xp and music, but im on win10 today ^^; Even if i still got my xp computer.
And ive watch your video at 0.75 speed because im too tired, now i can understand all ;D .
Xp was amazing when installed correctly for Audio - always install as "Standard PC" and not "ACPI" reaps a huge performance boost. - thanks for the trip down memory lane.....
Always a pleasure. Thanks for watching!
AudioPilz I watch them all since one of my reverbs ads had been featured on your “price guide” for the base station :-)
probably XP is the best, because a lot of old cool audio software does not work on newer versions, and pretty many of librarians/editors for old hardware too.
True! And lots of experimental music software that gives interesting results. I had this DOS program with bouncing blobs and lines. You drew them with your mouse and added sounds to them. The size of the blobs and bounces all had effect on on the sound. I actually made some nice soundtracks with it but I forgot the name.
So many great plugs, lost forever...
@@AudioPilz i'm still keeping them on my drives
If you go further back, there's a lot of professional audio stuff for the Atari ST. This stuff can be run in an emulator. For example, Steinberg made a synth editor for the Roland D-20 and using the emulator Steem, it's possible to use that to program patches over MIDI instead of using the terrible built-in interface.
My point being, sometimes there are other options than just running it on the original system. (Personally, I'm not a big fan of XP due to how bloated it became and how much of a pain in the ass maintaining it became because of that, and I like the simple, directness of Windows 98, which can actually run a lot of XP software if you set it up right.)
Some of them can be run on Windows 10 32bit or with winevdm. (16 bit stuff coded with visual basic, like the Korg old editors)
If it's old.... it's gold!!
I've still got one of my XP PC's hanging about (XP pro on it) and it's still a juicy little beast and allows for all manner of things when I look for old stuff. Otherwise it's grab free VSTs from VST4FREE and try and remember how something sounded and find the closest synth and FX chain to get what I want.
Just went to have a look at what was on the PC and it had an Audigy 2 card and livedrive which was a treat to use.
VST4FREE - haven't visited that site for years
this is a great idea i havent thought of. I had also forgot abut Glitch pluggin until just now.
Thanks! Glitch is super powerful
A Nakey Jakey reference at 2:40 ?
Hell yeah dude
Best!
the wonderful Kjaerhus plugins. I think I used them on everything
Great ones. Had them on the predecessor of this antique
Always nice to see love for the TAL suite. The freeware is still damn good, and the paid versions of their Bassline & U-NO are worth the coin.
Haven't tried the pro versions yet. I'll take a look
You were so fully kitted out back in the day. Freakin' 2 nords and UAD and liquid channel. That was the shoot the moon setup. I remember plugging UAD1s into my PowerPC Macintosh. This is a rad kit.
ohh I still have Windows XP installed on my old Mac Pro via bootcamp for legacy projects - it rock solid no nonsense system which only compares to the latest MAC OS iterations. And that Plugsound 3 brought me to tears...
Plugsound was my go to rompler
@@AudioPilz it was my go to rompler too. Great video!
If your software/hardware configuration is compatible with it, XP 64 bit edition might not be a bad choice, going down this route. The 3GB RAM limit XP Home/Pro has might be a bit tight nowadays, but then keeping yourself restricted to that limit might be part of the charm.
Mixed 160-track sessions on the machine in the video. RAM was never an issue except when using big sampler instruments
@@AudioPilz Yeah, it would definitely be about how much/how big samples you could have in memory before things get paged to disk or need to be unloaded, haha.
ah, dblue glitch. everybody who's ever produced music with any kind of glitch in it's used it at least once in their life.
also thank you so much for that vos plug! i've been on the hunt for a good la-2a emulation that's not expensive for a while now.
Classic!
200bpm + amen break + bit crusher plugin + dblue glitch = instant breakcore
Bad gear? what was or is bad about it. This was an homage. You love it too much, its too personal.
I love all the Bad Gear;)
"These ancient terrible plugins" proceeds to use Ferric TDS, TAL Bassline, and FM8 which are all still relevant today
On a serious note, FM8 still kicks, TAL Bassline has been succeeded by a really nice paid 101 emulation, and Ferric TDS is still being updated 15 years later and sounds great IMO
I missed the part when after editing you happily start Nero Burning ROM 5.1
Damn, how could I have not thought of this...
@@AudioPilz part ii is needed... along with a Lightscribe burner for that added personal touch to your demo cds 🤣👍
@@djBlindFaith yep, the lightscribe option was the best part of the process, remember how insanely long it took to print a single cd in the "darker "quality?? That was insane, I think it was something like 2 hours each.
I completely forgot about Nero. :) And Real Player!
@@djBlindFaith begins Lightscribe label burn * French voiceover * four hours later...
I don't know if this would count, but would you consider doing an episode of the Akai S-2000? A lot of people seem to dislike it because of its interface, but not much else.
That one came up quite a few times recently
I have an S3000 and I like it a lot, but trying to do all the same functions on the S2000 screen sounds like madness.
Yes please!
Ohh cowbell, you did it again. I´m pleased with that
Thanks! You know, the only cure...
Totally missed this episode!! Probably because at that time I was thrown out of my rented playspace filled with synths. Luckily I found a space nearby that lit the fire to build a complete recording studio. Still building to this date. Timing kinda sucked back then as there was a virus running amok..
Anyway. WinXP! Loving it! Still use it as a necessity as a couple MOTU's, synth editors ánd the Roland VariOS just don't work an OS better. Same reason I keep this old MacBook with PPC around to program the MOTU Midi Timepeace as the machine doesn't work with Intel cpu's.. And being a sucker for old VA stuff, I'll keep using that until it dies completely dead. Which will sadden me, these old Timepieces are truly awesome! 16x16 midichannels to control! Because I can!
A late but cincere thanks for this one, Mr Pilz! Amazing how you memegame took a nosedive to the better! ;-)
Thank you so much!!!
dBlue Glitch is brilliant, especially for a free plugin. I tend to use Gross Beat more often these days, but dBlue still has its place and is a timeless classic
Total workhorse. Love it!
Up until 2012 I used a Win XP OS hosting PG Music's Power Tracks. My hardware was a few MOTU rack mounted pieces that couldn't be configured without an app that ran on XP and not on anything later.
There is a 2020 version!
*There is one specific reason to keep XP around; real time multitrack recording of instruments and vocals has zero latency.*
You click play for the ensemble, you record your instrument and there is always some latency on 8, 8.1 and 10 even if your DAW is automated and fixes it without you lifting a finger. If you want to record multiple channels to multiple tracks at once say like a 5 piece band?
*If you don't have a 100K dumped into a studio, you can dump 100 minutes into a partition, XP installation and whatever DAWs you prefer.*
Sounds legit!
One of my favourite TH-cam channels. I miss XP too, only ever used it air-gapped myself. Don't miss the crashes and the clunky plug-ins though. My modern production DAW PC is also air-gapped, but Win 10 is just a pain in other ways now..
Just wanted to say: Win10 is not so different in that respect;)
why have you airgapped your daw pc?
The DAW I built for myself last year runs Windows XP SP3 on purpose. It's not connected to the internet in any way and that keeps it secure. It's an Intel Xeon 3320 (same processor as the Core 2 Quad Q6600) with 2GB of RAM running Sonar 8PE, FL Studio 10, a buttload of plugins, and SoundForge 8. I was using it with a Tascam US428 interface/controller, but back in January I picked up a Tascam FW-1082 firewire interface and control surface. I have a 1st Gen M-Audio Axiom 25 and 49 as well as a 1st gen Trigger Finger for controllers and Enigma to take care of programing the three of them. I also have an MPC500, Korg EA-1, Boss DR660 and Boss DS330 all connected and integrated fully. "It Just Werks" is what you could say about it. Hasn't had so much as a hiccup. I don't need anything newer because this handles anything I throw at it.
Yeah, I've rocked non-internet DAWs for decades but it has become a bit to tedious for my workflow
I still love my Future music CD´s from 1998, in the beginning this was my only source for badass samples and free plugins. (i was a late bloomer on using the interwebz.)
Same here, no internet from 2003 to 2007
Aaahh, i miss my old pc. Win Xp, Nuendo, Fruity loop, Cakewalk Sonar, Izotope vst, Nero, etc.. that’s my most productive pc tho 😔
So true!
Man! Great episode! I’m watching lots of your old videos lately.
My 2007 Acer with XP still functions flawlessly (indeed, during almost 10 years of use I never had a single BSOD, and never did a clean reinstall of the OS!). I don’t use it now but it’s stored safely away nearby.
After getting a 2010 HP laptop from an elderly family friend for free that belonged to her then recently deceased husband in 2012 I began using Win7. Now (as of late 2018, I do everything on my iPad, though I’ve upgraded a few times since)
This really brought me back!
Using Reaper and Zynwave Podium, MuLab and energyXT.
I loved Cygnus! It was nice seeing you using it. Also the free Tal Uno 60! I dug some stuff in the Plugsound Free as well.
I really miss Synth1 honestly.
I’m glad to have an iOS version of the OB-Xd, but I really wish there was an iOS version of PG-8x and especially the Phonec by Psychic Modulation!
Then again…I also really miss my blue Dalmatian iMac and running Reason 2.5 on it. 🙂
Classic software!!!
I still use the TAL Baseline. In fact I used it on the last electronic track I produced being able to use a VST LFO generator to drive the modulation, something I wasn't able to do back in my XP days...
Nice!!!
Love those old plugins. I still use a lot of them with Energy XT 3.0 in my old Win 7 PC.
Wow, Energy XT slipped my attention
@@AudioPilz it is a stepchild, and maybe unfinished, but I think the browser makes it very convenient and fast. It hosts most of my old plugins, and it's workflow is conducive to creativity. I find it a comfortable environment to work in. Most of my electronic music(perfidious_ba) was made in XT.
I used XP on my old 2007 Lenovo ThinkPad until last year, 2019. Not connected to the Internet and running Cubase Pro 4, Emagic Sounddiver, and an RME MultiFace PCMCIA soundcard. Perfectly acceptable machine! The only issue was the limit of MIDI ports, which prevented me from using all channels on my MIDI interfaces.
Used the Multiface for almost 20 years. Great interface!
@@AudioPilz Agreed! I would still be using it if it had been possible to connect it to modern computers. RME is still supporting it, IIRC in 2018 I still got firmware and XP driver updates for it.
@@LeadingMotive RME is absolutely fantastic for support - IMO they're by far the BEST Windows focused company for audio equipment/drivers (if you can afford them!). I've had a few RME interfaces and they've all been absolutely rock solid - even in the earlier days when not everything was always quite stable (these days things don't seem to randomly crash lots anymore).
Only discovered your channel a few days ago and I've really been enjoying your vids! Especially the Roland D-110 and Novation Bass Station Rack as I had both of those back in the mid 90s. Originally I started making music on a Commodore Amiga A500 using OctaMED Pro, a tracker similar to ProTracker with support for 4 channels of 8-bit samples and everything else was driven via MIDI (the D-100, Bass Station plus my pride and joy... a Roland Alpha Juno 2 for classic "rave hoover" giggles). But I eventually moved to a PC running Windows 95, then 98, then 2000 and then XP. But my secret weapons were 2 bits of internal hardware: the SoundBlaster AWE32 sound card with 32 MB of RAM and a Yamaha DB-50XG daughterboard which plugged into the SoundBlaster card using the "WaveBlaster" connector. The AWE32 basically gave me the same functionality as an Akai S1000 sampler, but with 16 times as much memory (remember this was the mid 90s!!!) and the DB-50XG is "a sample-based synthesis (Yamaha AWM) with 4Mb of voice ROM, offering 32 note polyphony (last note priority), 16 parts multitimbrality, a truly great 24db/oct. four pole resonant set of filters, and 18-bit D/A conversion. The DB-50 is fully General MIDI compatible, but Yamaha XG offers more sounds (480 voices and 11 drum kits), more signal processing power, and greater control than the standard GM mode. Interestingly, the unit is also Roland GS compatible in TG300B mode that is said to offer yet more voices (untested). The synth card bristles with effects, offering three independent quality 24 bit parallel digital DSP effects processors. The three channels provide reverb (11 types); chorus (12 types); and variation (42 types). Variation operates in either Insert (on one channel) or System mode (across all channels) mode. All effects are editable and may be controlled in real-time with up to 16 parameters per effect, and there are a few cross modulation options." (see sonicstate.com/synth/Yamaha_DB50XG/ for full details). For sequencing I used Cakewalk Express (no idea which version now). I've still got both soundcards, but no longer have a PC with an ISA slot to put them in. Man, thems were the days!
Hey, welcome to the channel!
Just want to say I really like you breaking down everything bit by bit in one of your old mixes!
Thanks, my pleasure!
man, I still use the mda plugins! and they're amazing..
Great pack, forgot about them!
you were already using reaper in 2012? king
Had to do 160 track mixes. No other DAW could manage that on that machine
@@AudioPilz 160 tracks?????? you really are something else
@@emilyschmanks One track for each note, so that you can really get into the nitty-gritty fine tuning 🤣
Damn dude that intro seriously opened c:\program files\anxiety.exe!! The stressful memories of begging my outdated computer to render a file or print a report that those sounds bring out😅
Franz Kafka over your shoulder is pretty fitting btw
We all know that feeling. De Sade, as well ;)
Thanks for this video, it brings back so many memories.
Always a pleasure, thanks for watching!
Man ! that totally kicks the ass of the pentium 3 with less than a Gb of ram I was using at the time . Every time I made a tweak , I had to re-render to mp3 to hear what it sounded like . I love and still use Dblue Glitch and fm8 . Also still a fan of a really simple vsti called Eat More PlasticZ great sounding little synth , so simple it doesn't require setup , just drag and drop the dll .
Eat More Plasticz was/is great!
Openlabs music used XP as the OS for the computer based synth workstations as did a few other custom keyboard workstation-com-computer combo companies. XP was the "SWEET SPOT" on resources, functionality and stability needed for such things. Win7 and 10 are too resource hungry(7), and invasive to your WORK(10). Linux has gained alot of ground in the area of Music production based custom keyboards and name brand keyboards too! Korg, Roland and Yamaha to name a few!! OASYS,KRONOS,FANTOM, and MONTAGE,M3, and others!
Hoping for a Linux breakthrough in this 20s
@@AudioPilz You'll probably get it. That's the way things are going. Especially now with the rise of ARM.
Obsolete plug-ins and DAWs are lots of fun to revisit! u should review more of them, like KORE or KORE Player 🤗
Wow, totally forgot about KORE
I was so honored to see my comment in the middle of the screen. Thank you!
Thanks for the participation
Between the microSampler and this I'm feeling PERSONALLY ATTACKED!
Not my intention at all
I would LOVE a microsampler 😍
Superwave ❤
Best!
i'm still running almost all of these plugs on win11... especially blew my mind to see ferric and dblue name-dropped
Still love these plugs
What a great time... We were cool and happy.
A glorious era
Waves Plugins?
🌊
A real PITA to install them on an offline computer
@@AudioPilz They sue like Disney?
I used an old XP pc until last year because it had an incredible PCI card (Sta - ADC&DAC2000 96 khz/24 bit with external 19 inch rack box with 8 inputs and outputs + digital ones on the back of the pc). Never failed me for multitracking since the early nillies...
Loved to use PCI interfaces
@@AudioPilz They were just more stable than all that usb stuff.
@@Gekneveld Yep, back in the good old days they were far more stable than USB/Firewire. But, even these days, PCIe cards usually support far better latency than USB alternatives. However, super high speed formats like thunderbolt really are catching up.
That freeware jam. The hats sound like volca drum
Yeah, it's a little bit of history repeating;)
Great video. The first thing that came to mind when I saw the title of the video was the Windows XP jam that someone did in Steinburg, using the sultry voice of Microsoft Sam, at the time the default voice for Narrator. That was his finest hour, and that s"ong is still cool.
Thanks! Just looked it up, this must be the oldest YT vid available ;)
@@AudioPilz Likely; I think it was 2006. So just before the song showcased here. :)
Ah, the 2000s..
I will never forget you.
Classic OS!
I wonder how many vstis you 'acquired' through legally questionable methods. I had quite a few myself. Man, I miss listening to those keygen tunes.
In Austrian law we have the term "private copy" ;)
Green screen reveal at the end. Mind blown!
Yes, I wasn't inside the computer!
@@AudioPilz that explains why you can’t hear me when I talk to your TH-cam videos!
Crazy how you got samples from cds in magazines instead of internet. And that was already an easier era for electronic music production. There was a time where people got samples from vinyls.
Agreed!!!
I'd be really interested to see what your overall creative process is like when you make a track for yourself. Do you stay DAWless throughout by using a multitrack recorder, or do you use a DAW for arrangement? The machine that builds the machine can be just as interesting. Thanks for the great videos.
Thanks for watching! I don't have a clearly structured music creation process, it depends on the gear and genre. I'll try to include some kind of "making of" in the future
I run a VM with XP on it for any old stuff. Come get me Microsoft!
You're their best advertisement ;)
that last tip is actually what I'm planing to do with a bunch of older PC I have laying around
It's so easy and convenient
Loved this... Your video's are the most anticipated on my entire notification list... Perfect mix of knowledge comedy and nostalgia - plus the Euro accent... It's great! All of my favourite producers (trance: Ferry C, Avb, m.i.k.e...etc) have similar accents...
Thank you so much!
Very meta. XP was XP, and even with your ghetto piker plugin predilection, could be used for serious scandal sedition sound. It's only bad because new things are better and we recovered from XP. I was a Cakewalk user back in the day, and didn't really get with Live until a few years ago. Looks a lot then like it does today.
No serious innovation at Ableton since 2007
Wow !
I thought I was a dinosaur keeping using XP for live perfs.
Anyway I never caught the point to run after a train, and leaving à comfortable car 😆...
Played a live show with that machine last weekend. Still works like a charm
Fun Fact - I know one of the guys who wrote & sampled the drums on the first release of BFD.
Nice!!!
Geiles Format hast du da geschaffen mein guter! Freu mich über jede Folge.
Besten Dank!
I as a Linux user would love to see you set up a completely open source DAW studio from a freshly installed, basic system
That's quite a challenge but I am very interested in that topic
@@AudioPilz Try Ubuntu Studio, it is already set right up.
check out airwndows raspberry pi 400 + reaper video
That cowbell has me sick.
Best plugin of all times: Chris Walken AND a cow!
Oh boy. I never used XP for music production, but I use a ton of old and new freeware plugins and samples. That's one of the reasons why I love FL Studio. It can handle fairly well any plugin I throw in it.
Yeah, these are gold!
Wow! Well done! Good and bad memories coming up. The idea of reviving the old winXP can as a sound and fx toy crossed my mind several times and has been delayed and delayed and delayed... 😅 Thanks for reminding me. Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you!!!
I feel like I just walked out of the club after following a white rabbit to meet trinity.
To quote slavoj zizek: I want a third pill...
@@AudioPilz who needs a third pill when you have 20 year old vst’s!
@@aaronboothe283 Pros of 20-year old VSTs: Likely low resource usage on modern systems, might enable you to create sounds that are hard to find nowadays, if most old Synths age like fine wine it must be true for plugins as well, right?
Cons of 20-year old VSTs: Might be older than you and/or the genre of music you make, carries virtual dust into your CPU which may clog the cache
Best intro definitely
Thanks!
One of the sends was definitely Waves R-Verb.
My lawyer advised me not to comment on that
Wow, that was intense - and proved why production of computer based music takes so much time. Indefinite options. Even then. Now it is multiple times more indefinite.
(I really tried to understand why multiple times infinity is not greater than simple infinity).
Infinity is a weird concept
There are multiple levels of infinity! But you can only get between them by multiplying infinities, not real numbers with an infinity.
Eg the infinity of integers is one tier below the infinity of all real numbers (with as many decimal places as you like), because you can fit infinitely many decimals between only two integers on the (infinite) number-line. This is called the aleph scale if you’d like to look it up further :)