'That Pedal Show' $30k Wet-Dry-Wet Rig Using JUST the LINE 6 HELIX - HELIX HOW-TO #3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- This was a fun one! I attempt to create a similar setup to the one shown in a recent 'That Pedal Show' video, which consisted of ~$30k worth of gear.
As always check below for timestamps to jump around and watch/listen to the parts of the video you're interested in.
Shortcuts:
0:00 - Intro
2:26 - Wet Dry Wet overview
3:15 - The Rig Used
3:51 - Patch Overview with IR's
9:03 - Patch Overview with Stock Cabs
10:46 - The Dry Amp Tone - Two Rock / Litigator
11:14 - Wet Amp #1 Dry Tone - Hamstead / AC30 FAWN
11:53 - Wet Amp #2 Dry Tone - 196X AC30 / AC30 FAWN Bright
12:45 - Wet Amp #1 w/ Space Echo ON
13:21 - Wet Amp #2 w/ Tape Delay ON
13:48 - BOTH Wet Amps Together
14:50 - All 3 Amps ON = WET - DRY - WET
16:28 - Does it sound the same? Does it sound GOOD?
19:21 - Heavy Overdriven Tone (Klon+Timmy+Boost)
20:25 - Chorus Tones (LUSH)
21:03 - Delays get Louder with Gain Boost & Solution
21:40 - Chorus Tones 2
22:14 - Tremolo Tones
22:55 - Tremolo Tones 2
23:49 - Tremolo Tones 3
24:53 - FUZZZZZZZZZZZZ
28:32 - Overdriven Chorus Tones
29:29 - Overdriven Tremolo Tones
30:55 - Gibson ES330 Intro
31:40 - Slapback Swell Delay with Hamstead / AC30 FAWN
32:21 - Slapback Delay with 196X AC30 / AC30 FAWN Bright
32:49 - All 3 Amps ON w/ Slapback Delays
33:16 - Slapback Delay Clean Tones
33:35 - Funky random playing that goes way to long
35:39 - Aint No Sunshine Style Playing (clean)
36:38 - Just Got Paid Style Playing (overdriven)
38:30 - My Final Thoughts
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Best Helix tones out there. The obvious time and care you take in putting these together is appreciated by many, I’m sure. Sounds AMAZING, brother!
Appreciate it Troy. Let me know if you'd ever like to do a collab for P&W stuff, haven't gotten there yet with my own videos but I plan to in the near future.
I loved that episode of TPS and also really enjoyed your recreation. I have not had time to get in there and try this myself, so I look forward to using your patch.
THE PATCH DOWNLOAD IS AVAILABLE. Check the description box for the link and let me know what you think after you've given it a go yourself!
Good stuff! The playing that started at 0:40 sounded very, very much like Hammock, who I love.
Fantastic!!!!!! I’m buying a Helix, and have gone deep down the YT rabbit hole of Demi videos. You are the only channel that I’m subscribing to. The best.
I never saw someone put reverb before an amp. It shows that it’s always cool to explore different things.
Great video, please don't stop your contribution to the Helix community!
FANTASTIC. I was thinking about how I could do this myself. Way to go. Glad to see I follow other TPS guys.
Cheers! I'll have the patch up hopefully late tomorrow
Awesome sounds, outstanding playing!
Such a great idea for a video! Thanks for this 👍
late to the show here- but I'll post anyways.. I used to run a real wdw rig with my band until it got to be a drag carting the thing around so I switched to the Helix. The issue was that I couldn't seem to get the same vibe with the Helix as I had on a real wdw rig with the Lex processors and so forth... This patch is very close so far that I've heard and tested ... can't wait to try it out with the real PA and the FR set up at the rehearsal sport. This is a very interesting patch and as stated i think the key is using 2-3 unique points/ amps as sources to add texture and variety to the separate tones as opposed to just splitting the signal from one amp and the setting a wet signal off of that. Great work YahtZEE - thanks for sharing.. saved me time
WWK
Wow man, this is some fantastic work.
It sounds amazing! Awesome 👌
Nice! I did the same thing with the TPS show a few weeks ago with Dan's giging ac30 ef86 setup. I use the ax8 but that doesn't really matter. I find the harmonic trem between the amp and cab blocks was super awesome
Very cool! I'm gonna try this out - probably not your exact settings, but you've got some brilliant routing! Thanks for posting this.
Go for it and let me know how it goes!
great vid,great sounds and great work pal
Fantastic. I think the revelation about switching IRs per snapshot is the biggest thing for me. Our church PA is all mono so I won't be able to use the stereo aspects of your patches.
Very awesome sound!!
Why you don’t have 10k subscribers is beyond me! Sounds awesome!!! I’m hooked on your Dr. Z/Matchless patch. I’m gonna promote you on the Helix Worship FB Group. Let’s get your subscribers up!!! Oh, and post the patch already!!!! 😉
In due time ;) Thanks man, and hopefully late tomorrow when I get back to my place!
I want this Patch! You definitely have a gift in developing tone with the helix!
Thanks Alex! Anything you'd like to see in future videos?
Can this patch be bought ?
Sounds killer dude
I watched that TPS show and went straight to Helix to do the same thing. I agree that having three point sources just sounds better. I use my Lone Star Special as the dry in the middle, and it keeps the separation and clarity (and also offloads some DSP by not needing the third amp). I've been trying to do it all in Helix, but I can't really get the same sound. Very cool to be able to experiment like this!
kurt shetler me too! great tones! I thought Dan and mick also use room mics on the far walls. maybe not in this episode, I'm not sure. very cool to have routing possibilities to get in the ballpark with Helix!
Agreed!
This is exactly ,what I was looking for ... than k you
great job
I have tried it too and I feel the dry with distortion doesnt sound as good. I think it is a fuller sound when you are doing clean numbers etc. I have gone back to my stereo set up where I also have the dry signal mixed and coming through and can toggle that with expression pedals to make it wetter or drier. I also feel the distortion cuts through better and doesnt get lost in the mix and with dry if you turn it up it loses the stereo effect. So for me I like stereo two amps rather than the 3 wet, dry, wet. Maybe in a bigger hall or something it might be better! I have Dawner Prince Boonar and choice of Timeline, flashback and belle epoch. Amps were Vox Mv50, Laney IRT studio, Boss Katana, I ditched the HotRod George Benson as it is too mush! You sound good and in certain parts better than TPS. I think when you go do this Digital is actually better and more controllable.
great idea for a video! subbed before even watching
Lots of faith it'll sound decent hahah. Thanks, hope you like it :)
Man, great job!!!
Thanks!
Watching your vid makes me wish I had the full helix instead of the hx stomp (which I of course love). Sounds are spot on!
Can you clarify what it is you can't do on the stomp? I'm looking into one atm
FANTASTIC
Chad Boston thanks Chad!
Maybe you could do a video on high gain sounds and/or how cabinet blends fits best together.
Dude. You easily get the best Helix tones 🔥🙌🏼
I watched the reverb episode several times and still don’t get it, but it sounds amazing.
Thanks Dan!
Happy to help if you've got any questions!
Sounds great! Thanks for sharing. It all makes perfect sense. The only thing I did not quite get was to put the reverb in front of the delays on the wet path. Granted you said there wasn’t much of it but it normally it sounds better to me with reverb after delay. Was it a DSP limitation? It must have been close to be maxed out with three amps and all that is going on there. Anyways - great video!
Perfect tanks
AWESOME!!!! Let us know on facebook when the patch is up on the line6 site please? Thanx
Killer!
Brooooo, that fuzz tone is 🔥🙌🏼🤙🏼💵 I love Kemper but it does NOT do fuzz well. That sounded ace.
dickjonesify haha thanks man. I think in general digital units struggle with fuzz. The octave fuzz is really the only one I like in the Helix, but it's definitely over the top without some eq to cut some highs like I did here. I actually don't think I've ever heard a Kemper demo of fuzz so it must not be very good haha
Hey man! Any chance you could provide the IR again? The google drive link doesn't work unfortunately. Absolutely love the tone you are getting here.
please post the patch, sounds f..ing awesome
Check back late tomorrow, I'll be back to my Helix then and can upload the patch :)
Sounds great, man. FYI, the Binson was not a tape delay. It was a disc. We have a Binson model in the Helix, called Echo Platter.
Its actually a drum not a disc! Showing my age
Robert Twiddy You’re right! Which old delay is the disc with the metal wire?
maybe this one Estecho estecho.com/2016/12/melos-disk-echo-em-200/
Thanks guys, I've got no experience with the Binson and I thought it sounded like a tape so I went with that. Good to know!
In a rig like this I would have the chorus in some sort of stereo for that extra wideness. Sounds really cool though
Totally, the routing would have accepted stereo chorus but I believe I didn't use one because there wasn't enough DSP left. With some minor finagling it could be done :)
@@YeatzeeGuitar maybe try a mono vibrato on one of the wet amps? That's basically a chorus anyway :)
@@ryanrowlandson9914 the vibrato actually takes up a lot of DSP even in mono but yeah I bet you could work it out for one amp only :) it's just balancing what you'll actually notice and what's must be kept
As of 5/16/20 this patch has been *UPDATED* and now includes a stock cab version, all for FREE! Check it out here: www.yeatzeeguitar.com/product/yeatzee-guitar-wet-dry-wet-that-pedal-show/
Hi there. Amazing sound? Please, could you tell me what stand are you using for helix? I'm looking for a similar one so I would appreciate so much you help. Keep up The good work! Best!
Thanks! It's just a music stand with a shirt over it to stop metal on metal scratches :)
This is such a nice patch, and it is a cool approach to patch building that I have never tried on the Helix. Thanks for sharing! One question: Why are the reverb and delays in front of the amps? It sounds great, but it's not what I'm used to when building patches... Thank for any insight.
steelstringer thanks! Delays infront of the amps makes it sound more real and natural as you get the interaction between amp compression and gain with the delay repeats. After the amps sounds more like it's added in post, cleaner sounding but less natural sounding. I do both, depends on the situation. In this case they ran them infront of the amps and it sounded much more realistic that way with the Helix :)
Yeatzee Thanks for the reply. That makes sense. Would you use a patch like this in a live situation, or is it more suited for a recording opportunity?
steelstringer depends on the band and music played but I'd say in general it's more suited for recording or just playing along at home. The latter part of the video with the slapback delay could work great live though! It's the long delays with lots of repeats that can get more problematic
Cool. This will sum to mono if I only output to my single PowerCab+ right? I'm watching for the patch download!
Yep, but not sure how that'll sound. Stereo is what gives everything space and makes it sound much bigger. In mono it might be more like a jumbled mess, though I can't say I've tried it in mono.
Thank you the video is awesome, could I please ask what stand you are using for the helix? Thanks.
michaeltt1 it's just a regular run of the mill music stand with everything tightened down a ton. I also put a shirt over it so it doesn't scratch the Helix :)
But what is this arm? That's not regular- atleast I couldn't find it anywhere :(
René Eschke, the "arm" is just a guitar stand that's beside the music stand with the helix
Can it be done with HX Stomp? Awesome!
Maybe if you had 2 of em lol
Love the sounds in this video! Could you please be kind enough to do another link to the IRs you mention on the Line 6 page. The link mentioned there is dead. Thank you!
Oh no! Just seeing this, sorry about that I'll try and dig up the IR and replace it. No clue what happened!
@@YeatzeeGuitar, thank you! Any luck finding it?
@@jeffmcalpin2369 yes! Took a bit but go to my website www.yeatzeeguitar.com and the download is now there, both the patch and IR (still free)!
@@YeatzeeGuitar, thank you so much!!
How would this sound coming out of a PA system? Would it turn into mud if the sound man turned it into mono?
Yeah it really needs a stereo PA to work properly.
Where can I get the non IR version? you only supplied 1 link for the IR version. Also the link you provided on the custom tone site for this patch to get the IR is a bad link. please check/validate as it gives me an error. Thanks
There is no stock cab version for download, if want to use stock cabs you can just pause the video and replicate the settings I show on screen :) As for the IR yeah I'm not sure, I did this a while ago on Google Drive it probably got moved to a different folder. The specific IR's don't matter much, I'd just throw in your existing favorite IR's and it'll probably sound great!
So are you running stereo (wet) out of XLR and a dry path out of the 1/4 inch? Or technically just stereo left and right out? Can't wait to try this!
Hi Josh, I'm running stereo left and right out to replicate what we *hear* when listening to wet/dry/wet recordings. To have the full wet/dry/wet experience in the room you'd need 3 sound sources which could easily be done if you've got a third speaker.
Where can I download this thing?
The download link is now available in the description towards the end :) Give it a try and leave a comment what you think after you've given it a go :)
I am running my helix stereo via usb, but I'm not getting any signal through just the dry amp at all. I have all outputs set right. What am I doing wrong?
Do you always use such extreme hi cuts on the stock cabs? Also, when making mono patches for a church mono sound system, does it matter if you select mono or stereo delays? Reverbs? Obviously one XLR left will sum to mono but to avoid weird sounds I try to make purely mono patches.
Erik Hartley hi Erik, the stock cab high cut has a different curve than the eq block high cut so it requires a more extreme kHz cut to get the same results. Generally I do no cuts in the cab block though and always use an eq at the end of chain. For this patch however that wasnt really possible since there wasn't much room/DSP :)
For mono stuff, stereo delays will only make a difference in mono if you have A) the scale parameter set to anything but 100 or B) the delay is a dual or ping-pong type delay. There's nothing wrong with swapping stereo fx for mono ones if you run mono to save some DSP though, the patch converted to mono just won't sound nearly as nice obviously vs a stereo patch being played in stereo .
Yeatzee thanks! What's your typical EQ treatment at the end of chains for stock cabs?
Erik Hartley I generally use a parametric eq last or second to last in the chain set with an 80hz low cut and 11 kHz high cut. If there low end is flubbing a bit to much putting an eq infront of the amp with a low cut around 80hz will help fix that
Is the stock version on Custom Tone too? I couldn't find it.
Matt Kelly hey Matt no its not, I figured it'd be easier to have one patch to download. If you don't want to use IR's just pause the video where I got over each stock cab and replace the IR's with those. Use those stock cab settings as a starting point and try a couple different mic combinations to get whatever you're looking for :)
Bottom IR keeps turning off making it sound brutal,? is that part of the programming?
sounds great when I turn it back on though,,
let me know I want to use it Sunday!!!!!,,
wolvesandguitars that's a known Helix bug that should be fixed in the next update due to be released any day now. Try re-downloading and loading it and see if it happens again. If it does what's always fixed it for me is turning the block that turned itself off (last in chain usually) back on and re-saving on the unit itself. If it still does it just do it again and after 2 or 3 times it should stay put. Terribly annoying bug that seems to happen to random patches.
thanks ill fix it up..
great sounds in stereo ,I only run mono at church so I went another way.it didn't sound bad in mono at all just defeats the point..
thanks for your work.
Hey! I have you same monitors, do you think buying a frfr cab like the Pwercab would be much better than the JBLs?
Depends what you're looking for. For just playing at home along with your computer the jbls are great. If you want more power and are fine without stereo the power cab is cool
@@YeatzeeGuitar Yeah, that's the dilemma. Having stereo sound is great but don't know if I'm missing sound quality by not using a "real cab".
Jbls are high quality, you won't be missing anything but volume in the room and the feeling from having more of an amp in the room sound (thought not exactly the same). The jbls won't move air, and are very focused / directional, but will sound great in my experience!
@@YeatzeeGuitar I agree! thanks for your insight mate
Where did you get this stand for the Helix from? Would appreciate the exact name! I want just this one:)
Just a regular music stand with some cloth to protect against metal on metal scratches. I got it from guitar center
crazy. I cant find one with this angle and plate etc
Hey Tanner, can you help me please? I want to import your very cool sounding patch and get the message "model specified in the file is not recognized". My Helix-Software is the 2.60. Do you have any ideas? THX, Chris.
Christian Herseni did you also update Helix Edit to the most current version?
Yeatzee Hmm, I will check it. Thanks for your reply!!!
Yeah, I updated Helix Edit and it works :D Thank's man!!!
Would you mind sharing on custom tone?
Yep, not a problem. I'll have it up at the latest on Friday so check back then.
Yeatzee May I ask under what name the custom tone is available with? Very cool exercise. Thx for sharing! 🎸👍
I'll be updating the description with a direct link hopefully tonight. If you check my reverb video out there's a link there to that patch and you'll be able to see my username if you'd like to save it for future releases :)
"Inspirational tone" I've undervalued this idea. Even if what the congregation ultimately hears is mono --- even if the electric guitar is buried in the mix live --- it's still important that you love what you're hearing in rehearsal. Now, somebody said that if all you're doing in your "wet dry wet" attempt is allowing some direct/dry tone through, you can skip the parallel path and just fiddle with the reverb mix and accomplish the same thing. ??
Agreed! As for the last bit, It's not the same thing for a number of reasons. The different dry tone due to the dedicated dry amp, the ability to run different wet effects through different wet amps at the same time, and in the Helix the volume changes when you raise the mix of an HX reverb you have a lot less control and less clarity as you raise the mix. All worth experimenting with :)
Why don't you have the mix to 100% on the wet channels?
If I remember correctly it was really hard to balance everything together at 100% wet. The added bonus is that you can just run a 3 amp setup without the wet effects and instead just layer them on. The effect levels are still obviously very high without being full 100%, but you can certainly download the patch and experiment further!
@@YeatzeeGuitar Ah, I wasn't clear I think. I mean, in the delays itself on the wet channels, why isn't their mix set to 100% so they only produce wet sound. You have dry sound on the wet channel. I used to run wet/dry (with wet 100% wet) and just got a Helix. So I'm paying full attention trying to leech knowledge.
@@BrazenNL no we're on the same page :) the different delays at 100% mix sound different, the overall level of the left and right I had trouble balancing together by going 100% wet. By doing it this way I had more "headroom" to fine tune the wet amp sound as a whole. I also like the sound the extra 2 amps added to the overall "dry" sound. Wet dry or in this case wet dry wet rig doesn't require effects to be full 100% mix wet, you just need one not receiving wet effects while the others are :)
@@YeatzeeGuitar Gotcha. Thanks for your explanation!
How do you get so many things on a single patch? Every time I try to create a patch, I run into DSP issues.
Are you using both paths / DSP chips?
I am.
@@coreynichols1296 some blocks take more DSP then others. There's a guide online someone showing the DSP each block takes, that might help you see what is taking all of the space