Hi i'm viatron from Sheffield once again, I remember those London Transport DMS-style double deck Leyland Fleetline buses in S.Y.P.T.E. back in the 70s via the looked slightly identical to those ones in London. Well I glad it's the only one of it's type to be a Provincial DMS at the time, but also did you remember the London Transport RT half cab versions which some of them went to Provincial bus operators in the UK what includes St. Hellens Corporation & also the ROE bodied example from Grimsby & Cleethorpes Corporation are now preserved via it went to the Sandtoft Trolleybus Museum's The Celebration of Charles H. ROE of Leeds bus event just recently. Thank you for your co-operation on this very special London Transport DMS bus subject from David Viatron Esquire of crookes in Sheffield.
Hi Jake. Thank you for explaining the origins - a big thank you for mentioning the lack of shrouding over the ‘bustle’ - something model bus makers need to take note of 🙄 painting a London DMS in SYPTE colours doesn’t cut it, in my book! 😜 This was my childhood bus to school, before they were replaced by MCW Metrobuses. 1:33 is one of my favourite buses of Sheffield.
@@unclenolly3207 Always a pleasure Uncle Nolly. Yes model makers can be very slack sometimes can't they? As well as the botched DMS and B20 (don't get me started!) there's the Leyland Olympian that should be low height but was full height. I might have to another video but this one about those ECW bodied Fleetlines.
@@JakeSCOC Excellent! Can’t wait. Apparently there was only SYPTE and Colchester Transport that had that bodywork - but then you probably already knew that 😉
One of these actually took the honour of being the first SYPTE bus that I rode on! It was around April 1986, on what would be the last weekend of the infamous South Yorkshire cheap fares. Beginning my first ever South Yorkshire bash, I found one of these at Pond Street bus station on, I think, route 27 to the south of the city and, being a fan of DMSs and knowing of this batch's unique status, I took a ride!
Thank you so very much for this video. I remember the coffee and cream livery very much and SYPTE other Fleetlines very well. Whilst I knew these existed, I don't think I rode om them as I was based in Wickersley, Rotherham and these buses I suspect mainly served Sheffield. But another really good video.
One of the things that always got me is why ECW looked the way they did, strange, but you had the narrow crushed look of the Arrows, from the wide eyed Nottingham Leylands 😂 whereas the Metrobus, Titan and Northern Counties stylings looked more… appetising (From a bus driver!) thanks
MCWs have a very attractive side front profile. They have a very distinctive front styling as well and the mark 2 succeeded in retaining a distinct Metrobus identity despite changing quite a lot with the panels.
I noticed that the lovely ivory coloured steering wheels disappeared over time in the 80s. SYPTE livery suited the DMSs well especially the post 81 livery with the darker brown and black bumpers, 1515 is the only survivor, the later livery you mentioned was the short lived red and brown etc SYT livery which was quite nice too.
@@stevedickson5853 Those ivory/cream steering wheels are pure Fleetline aren't they? They did make a nice contrast to the livery. That South Yorkshire Transport livery was lovely. Very unique.
Hi Jake Did I Ever Mention Getting The Inner Headlights Wired Up To Work On Dipped Beam On You Dom Leopard Drivers Loved The Better Vision It Gave Them Especially On Unlit Areas
Fascinating Jake ....SYPTE operated an amazingly diverse fleet ...with allsorts of oddities ...like these ... Nothing wrong with a DMS style Fleetline though ....great looking buses ...
@JakeSCOC definitely there is something about ECW bodied Fleetlines and Atlanteans....not lookers but ...lol The Van Hool bodied Ailsas were stunning vehicles too .,.you mention the SYTT ...been to a couple of their recent open days ....some collection they have 👍
@briankay4713 I know exactly what you mean about ECW bodywork. I'm a big fan of it. My next big release will be about the Ailsa and of course those South Yorkshire ones will feature! SYTT sounds and looks amazing. I have a friend who keeps a bus there. I really must visit.
I drove for Cityrama in 1984 when they only had a London sightseeing tour.I drove again for them when they started operating the London regional Transport (LRT) route 196.Cityrama were already operating the 200 when I rejoined the company. The 200s were already being operated by ex London Transport DMSs.The buses purchased for the 196 included as was mentioned two Yorkshire "London style" DMSs.I recall the exit was operated by the gear leaver which had the effect of taking the bus out of gear when the exit doors were open.Both of these buses had semi automatic transmission. The other buses were(I think - someone correct me if I'm wrong) the ECW fleetlines that are described as strange looking in the video. They originally arrived at Cityrama with no power steering so the operations manager, Graham Cook,had them fitted. Unfortunately this reduced the steering lock and there were a couple of tight turns that would sometimes necessitate the need to reverse in order to get round them One of these buses,numbered 25 in the Cityrama fleet missed out on getting power steering and was generally kept as a spare.The manager was clever as most of the drivers had worked for bus companies that hadn't been privatised and were used to asking for a replacement vehicle for minor defects.Cityrama didn't have the resources for this so we would be "threatened " with the punishment bus 25 and therfore would soldier on with the bus we had. Incidentally Cityrama was the bus offshoot of Limebourne coaches and was based at Siverthorne road,Battersea.It's still a bus garage and was being used by Abellio and now by what ever they are calling themselves now !!
@@SIMONWINTER-m6d Thanks for sharing that Simon. A really interesting read. I travelled on the sightseeing Cityrama buses as a child on odd visits to London but that was it for me.
I recall these buses had loud speakers on the upper deck so on a Saturday night the passengers could listen to piped music instead of drunkenly arguing about football or similar. I don't think this was used beyond the first few weeks of operation however.
Hi … any chance you could do a feature on historical vehicles, mostly the excellent AEC Regents etc run by South Wales Transport (SWT) based in and around the Swansea area ?
@Sunshinesmuse Hello. I have done a video on the AEC Regent V which is here th-cam.com/video/8KkSmbM8nRo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a3BTI5Xyyunj2SWD I can certainly revisit it at some point and look at South Wales in more detail.
They looked better without the bunny ear indicators SYPTE looked nearer ,now here’s food for thought say LT decided to try the AN68 chassis would it had the AN blast body which is a neat design with engine shrouds or a modified DMS body ,is there any indication LT wanted to try the Atlantean again All the best Jake have a merry Christmas Mark 🎅🏼🎅🏼
@@marksinthehouse1968 Hi Mark. That's a really good question. The early Park Royal ANs that LCBS had were very similar to the DMS bodys and even had the Straub seat moquette so I think whatever they'd have gone for it would have been similar. Merry Christmas Mark 👍🏼
I wonder if LT had any design rights over the DMS family vehicles and if so did Met-Cam pay a licence fee for knicking the design to sell to South Yorkshire PTE??
@Spotter-train Very interesting. I must admit, the driving position is a bit weird. You sit up high but can't have the seat up too high because of the position of the gear selector. I found VRs more comfortable to be honest.
Hi i'm viatron from Sheffield once again, I remember those London Transport DMS-style double deck Leyland Fleetline buses in S.Y.P.T.E. back in the 70s via the looked slightly identical to those ones in London. Well I glad it's the only one of it's type to be a Provincial DMS at the time, but also did you remember the London Transport RT half cab versions which some of them went to Provincial bus operators in the UK what includes St. Hellens Corporation & also the ROE bodied example from Grimsby & Cleethorpes Corporation are now preserved via it went to the Sandtoft Trolleybus Museum's The Celebration of Charles H. ROE of Leeds bus event just recently. Thank you for your co-operation on this very special London Transport DMS bus subject from David Viatron Esquire of crookes in Sheffield.
@@ViatronTumpington Thanks David,glad you enjoyed the video. Yes those RT types would make a good video too
As a mechanic for SYT I had the pleasure of working on these at Leadmill Rd depot along side numerous metrobuses
@@stuartn696 which ones did you prefer Stuart?
The Gardner engined 6LXBT in the fast line mk2 metrobuses we had, the rolls Royce ones were terrible and never mention the Dominators.
@stuartn696 I've not managed to get my hands on a Gardner turbo or a Rolls Royce.
Hi Jake. Thank you for explaining the origins - a big thank you for mentioning the lack of shrouding over the ‘bustle’ - something model bus makers need to take note of 🙄 painting a London DMS in SYPTE colours doesn’t cut it, in my book! 😜
This was my childhood bus to school, before they were replaced by MCW Metrobuses.
1:33 is one of my favourite buses of Sheffield.
@@unclenolly3207 Always a pleasure Uncle Nolly. Yes model makers can be very slack sometimes can't they? As well as the botched DMS and B20 (don't get me started!) there's the Leyland Olympian that should be low height but was full height.
I might have to another video but this one about those ECW bodied Fleetlines.
@@JakeSCOC Excellent! Can’t wait. Apparently there was only SYPTE and Colchester Transport that had that bodywork - but then you probably already knew that 😉
One of these actually took the honour of being the first SYPTE bus that I rode on!
It was around April 1986, on what would be the last weekend of the infamous South Yorkshire cheap fares. Beginning my first ever South Yorkshire bash, I found one of these at Pond Street bus station on, I think, route 27 to the south of the city and, being a fan of DMSs and knowing of this batch's unique status, I took a ride!
@@markstramtrainbuscapades1729 That's a brilliant memory to have Mark. What did you think of them? How did they compare to the DMS?
@@JakeSCOC quite similar, though obviously standing out by having the SYPTE interior.
@markstramtrainbuscapades1729 was that the wood effect formica panels?
Looking Forward To Your Volvo B58 Video
@@carabara3947 Thanks 👍🏻
Thank you so very much for this video. I remember the coffee and cream livery very much and SYPTE other Fleetlines very well. Whilst I knew these existed, I don't think I rode om them as I was based in Wickersley, Rotherham and these buses I suspect mainly served Sheffield. But another really good video.
@@adamlee3772 Thanks Adam. I'm glad you enjoyed it
@ always enjoy videos. 👍🏻
One of the things that always got me is why ECW looked the way they did, strange, but you had the narrow crushed look of the Arrows, from the wide eyed Nottingham Leylands 😂 whereas the Metrobus, Titan and Northern Counties stylings looked more… appetising (From a bus driver!) thanks
@@NextSound170 ECW bodys evolved and the design used on the VRs was basically that which was introduced in the late 1940's. It was very dated.
MCWs have a very attractive side front profile. They have a very distinctive front styling as well and the mark 2 succeeded in retaining a distinct Metrobus identity despite changing quite a lot with the panels.
@jamesfrench7299 Totally agree there James
I noticed that the lovely ivory coloured steering wheels disappeared over time in the 80s. SYPTE livery suited the DMSs well especially the post 81 livery with the darker brown and black bumpers, 1515 is the only survivor, the later livery you mentioned was the short lived red and brown etc SYT livery which was quite nice too.
@@stevedickson5853 Those ivory/cream steering wheels are pure Fleetline aren't they? They did make a nice contrast to the livery. That South Yorkshire Transport livery was lovely. Very unique.
The vehicles were originally part of an order for 60 Alexander bodies Fleetlines. The chassis for these were transferred to MCW to speed delivery.
@@davidoldfield4921 Thanks David. Orders for Strathclyde and Edinburgh alone must have nearly maxed out Alexander.
Hi Jake Did I Ever Mention Getting The Inner Headlights Wired Up To Work On Dipped Beam On You Dom Leopard Drivers Loved The Better Vision It Gave Them Especially On Unlit Areas
@@carabara3947 I vaguely remember you mentioning it yes. I bet it looked pretty good too with those duels blazing away.
Fascinating Jake ....SYPTE operated an amazingly diverse fleet ...with allsorts of oddities ...like these ...
Nothing wrong with a DMS style Fleetline though ....great looking buses ...
@@briankay4713 Hi Brian. Their fleet was really interesting at this point. Might have to do a video about those ECW bodied Fleetlines too.
@JakeSCOC definitely there is something about ECW bodied Fleetlines and Atlanteans....not lookers but ...lol
The Van Hool bodied Ailsas were stunning vehicles too .,.you mention the SYTT ...been to a couple of their recent open days ....some collection they have 👍
@briankay4713 I know exactly what you mean about ECW bodywork. I'm a big fan of it. My next big release will be about the Ailsa and of course those South Yorkshire ones will feature! SYTT sounds and looks amazing. I have a friend who keeps a bus there. I really must visit.
I drove for Cityrama in 1984 when they only had a London sightseeing tour.I drove again for them when they started operating the London regional Transport (LRT) route 196.Cityrama were already operating the 200 when I rejoined the company. The 200s were already being operated by ex London Transport DMSs.The buses purchased for the 196 included as was mentioned two Yorkshire "London style" DMSs.I recall the exit was operated by the gear leaver which had the effect of taking the bus out of gear when the exit doors were open.Both of these buses had semi automatic transmission. The other buses were(I think - someone correct me if I'm wrong) the ECW fleetlines that are described as strange looking in the video. They originally arrived at Cityrama with no power steering so the operations manager, Graham Cook,had them fitted. Unfortunately this reduced the steering lock and there were a couple of tight turns that would sometimes necessitate the need to reverse in order to get round them One of these buses,numbered 25 in the Cityrama fleet missed out on getting power steering and was generally kept as a spare.The manager was clever as most of the drivers had worked for bus companies that hadn't been privatised and were used to asking for a replacement vehicle for minor defects.Cityrama didn't have the resources for this so we would be "threatened " with the punishment bus 25 and therfore would soldier on with the bus we had. Incidentally Cityrama was the bus offshoot of Limebourne coaches and was based at Siverthorne road,Battersea.It's still a bus garage and was being used by Abellio and now by what ever they are calling themselves now !!
@@SIMONWINTER-m6d Thanks for sharing that Simon. A really interesting read. I travelled on the sightseeing Cityrama buses as a child on odd visits to London but that was it for me.
@JakeSCOC Maybe you got the bus I was driving !
@SIMONWINTER-m6d That's what I was wondering!
@@JakeSCOC I was the tall good looking one with the beard as apposed to the fat bald git I am now !!
@SIMONWINTER-m6d 😂😂😂 Yes I was tall and thin before I started in the bus industry too... Must be a connection?
I remember the 'mercer's fleetline running around preston
@@russb2286 A Yorkshire man in Lancashire!
I recall these buses had loud speakers on the upper deck so on a Saturday night the passengers could listen to piped music instead of drunkenly arguing about football or similar. I don't think this was used beyond the first few weeks of operation however.
Cheers, Jake.
Always wondered why a single batch of DMSesque buses turned up in the People's Republic of South Yorkshire.
Thanks for that.
@@dancedecker Not a problem. Glad you enjoyed it!
I remember seeing these in Chesterfield when I was a kid (where some of your period photos are from)
@@davefarrow4351 Thanks Dave. I believe Chesterfield operated ex LT DMS Fleetlines so they may have rubbed shoulders with these at some point?
@JakeSCOC Yes, I was thinking that too.
@davefarrow4351 Somewhere there must be a picture....
Hi … any chance you could do a feature on historical vehicles, mostly the excellent AEC Regents etc run by South Wales Transport (SWT) based in and around the Swansea area ?
@Sunshinesmuse Hello. I have done a video on the AEC Regent V which is here
th-cam.com/video/8KkSmbM8nRo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a3BTI5Xyyunj2SWD
I can certainly revisit it at some point and look at South Wales in more detail.
@@JakeSCOC Thanks for this 👌. An in depth look at South Wales would be great please 🙏
A very Merry Christmas to you and yours 🎄
@Sunshinesmuse Merry Christmas to you too
Nice one 👍👍👍
@@craigsibley8161 Thanks Craig 👍🏼
Interesting. Did they also have the wooden slat flooring?
Did they delete any technical features the LT ones had?
@@jamesfrench7299 James that's a very good question. One sadly I don't have the answer to.
They looked better without the bunny ear indicators SYPTE looked nearer ,now here’s food for thought say LT decided to try the AN68 chassis would it had the AN blast body which is a neat design with engine shrouds or a modified DMS body ,is there any indication LT wanted to try the Atlantean again
All the best Jake have a merry Christmas
Mark 🎅🏼🎅🏼
@@marksinthehouse1968 Hi Mark. That's a really good question. The early Park Royal ANs that LCBS had were very similar to the DMS bodys and even had the Straub seat moquette so I think whatever they'd have gone for it would have been similar.
Merry Christmas Mark 👍🏼
Hehe that was meant to based not blast 😂😂
@@marksinthehouse1968 🤣🤣🤣
I wonder if LT had any design rights over the DMS family vehicles and if so did Met-Cam pay a licence fee for knicking the design to sell to South Yorkshire PTE??
@@Maschine103 That's a good question. And if they did was Park Royal consulted too as they were involved in the design and production too.
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@@a11csc Thank you 👍🏼
Hi. I drove the DMS for Trent and Derby city transport. IMO one of the worst buses I ever drove
@@Spotter-train Hi. Why didn't you like about them?
@ Hi mate. I found the driving position uncomfortable. There was limited control of acceleration. One good aspect at the time was power steering.
@Spotter-train Very interesting. I must admit, the driving position is a bit weird. You sit up high but can't have the seat up too high because of the position of the gear selector. I found VRs more comfortable to be honest.
@ Agree mate. The MK 3 was a good vehicle. I preferred the semi automatic Olympian over the fully automatic.
@@Spotter-train Yes semi autos are always better than autos. Much more controllable. Especially in wet or snow.