Pan Zhanle: "Eating meat here is like chewing wood", Qin Haiyang: “It really has a huge impact. Basically, I am woken up at six o'clock every morning for testing.”
Sometimes I forget how refined sports have become and how close to perfection athletes have evolved. So much that "little" things like this can have such a relatively big impact. Fascinating!
@@diogocinefilo true! That’s why I put it in “ “. Little was probably the wrong word. My point was that it’s fascinating how close to perfection the core aspects like technique, strength, endurance have been honed. So much that other things gain more and more priority. Things that were probably a lot lower in priority 50 years ago. Like taking the team to a different country for 3 weeks, to acclimate and having sleep consultants in a team. It’s fascinating to me, that things that have been considered “smaller” aspects, are now not so small anymore (as mentioned by you), because the athlete’s level in the core aspects are so good. And of course those aspects are all intertwined and can’t be observed completely isolated, but I hope you understand what I mean😊
“Below expectations” applies to so many aspects of these substandard Game conditions. Worse than the pool competition is the fact that organisers actually made triathlon athletes swim in the filthy Seine River.
The IOC is having problems because building everything new is incredibly expensive and cities are realizing that they could end up paying billions and be left with unused structure and make no profits. There were only two cities that applied for the games and they granted one city the 2024 games and the other the 2028 games because thet feared nobody would apply to host the 2028 games. The IOC is looking to make use of pre existing structures and temorary structures dramatically loweing costs in hopes of attracting more hosts in the future. This has dramatically lowered quality of the arenas but may save the olympics in the future, or kill them. Time will tell
@@supernova743 In Paris though they didn’t build everything new - and they cut down (to an unsustainable level) on quality in so many basic aspects! Mattresses in sections, cardboard framed beds, no air conditioning, vegan food - athletes need protein and more protein, transport to venues without air con. The triathletes should not have to swim in sewage! Add to that (and much more not stated) you can bet your boots that the IOC organising team will be very well paid regardless of how much debt is left to the taxpayers of the host nation to deal with. France made it clear that the spirit of the Games is lost. It is an unfair playing field due to ridiculous policies (in the name of ‘inclusion’) and athletes have been disrespected and treated badly. Sub-standard. If we can’t create a healthy and fair competition it’s better to stop the waste of money and effort - and hand the sporting competition over to more capable hands.
@@wli2718 Yes I seem to remember there were several. Triathletes were dosed up with antibiotics before and since the race. It’s unbelievably unhygienic.
I've also heard Popovici is staying in an AirBnB, so if he performs as expected then it would definitely show that the village conditions are having more of an effect than the pool
Michael Phelps did have a near perfect Olympic Games experience! Outside of the fact his goggles filled up in the 200m butterfly, he broke the world record in almost every single event he swam!
Depth of pool may be the cause. Swimmers create turbulence (waves). Shallow pool - waves cannot travel very far = MORE TURBULENCE. Deep pool - waves travel further and disperse more efficiently = LESS TURBULENCE. I swam at two similar size community pools. But, one is shallow and the other has a deep end. During lane swimming in the shallow pool, I was thrown around and had a difficult time staying in the lane. I didn't experience any problems while lane swimming in the deeper pool, even when it was crowded. Turbulence/opposing forces = less speed/more effort. Just a thought :)
@@FaresKsebati I wonder if sensors for registering are slow because they could not use top level equipment in coming under the proposed budget unlike other city who wanted to host finding out they would be over budget.
@@cristibaluta If this was a Chinese athlete, my guess is they were legally cheating $$$$ using actual PED's Because the proper organizations were bought off.
People have said just keep the Olympics in Greece, I mean when it comes to sustainability for the environment and finance, that would make a lot of sense
even tho the pool is shallow as heck. I think the main contributor is really the olympic village. I aint never seen athletes complain this much about those conditions in a hot minute. Imagine athletes are choosing to stay in an airbnbs for better conditions.
Because it's all about favorite stupid word in Europe this days - economy/saving. I wonder how they didn't put all swimmers in the Seian to not need to build the stadium
you are onto something here... maybe of all the strokes breaststroke is the most impacted by the shallow pool.. makes sense with the depth some swimmers go at the turns and after the initial dive
@@cham00ko It is also just naturally the most resistance prone stroke. As much as swimmers can avoid pushing water, the recovery gets harder with even small waves.
That's why it is less costly than other hosts. Other countries went way beyond the proposed budget. And being a host had serious negative economic repercussions to their economy after the Olympics. That's why no one wants to host Olympics.
@@JonsonJavier With the exception of China, who is using said venues for its own athletes and for events, sure economy had a downturn sort of from hosting in 2008 but is back because of now easier access to crap knock offs via Temu of higher low end Chinese products and higher end products, mid level, as well as crap via AliExpress as well as a few other sellers in Asia/Middle East and selling on e-Bay since 2010. 2022 Winter Olympics China was crap outright illegal via the Geneva convention and they basically ban athletes from even having real food or any communication with fake food being served just so China could game medals knowing this was happening, and in sports China is never really good at like most of the skiing or snowboard events, China purposely picked a spot so bad nobody was able to do there event, one person from South Korea Women is still Missing on one of the Snowboard events she just disappeared off the mountain and were barred by China from looking for her and when China tried they did not really look or could not because weather was too dangerous. South Koreans are now ban from going to China ever since even if athletes are doing a world event or some other kind of event on a circuit, they have to skip or face some harsh penalties.
I don’t think it’s the village conditions. They had cardboard beds in Tokyo and Japan summers are brutal, but some broke world records there. Plus, the U.S bought air conditioning units for our athletes in Paris. It’s the pool, probably depth and maybe temperature.
@@jimbendtsen8841 Wow you got brainwashed with that false narrative. Not all the food there is vegan. It's basically just following existing demand trends.
Look again at the map: from the Olympic Village it to the left and slightly south - just behind La Defense (square, cubic icon) - it's marked Aquatics (Swimming).
Looks like you're right. Diving, waterpolo, artistic at the acquatic center. Only 5 minute bus ride from the village. No way such a short ride would matter. But it looks like the actual venue Paris La Défense Arena is a 20+ min bus ride which would suck if done multiple times a day.
Agreed. It's the pool. Competitive swimmers know this. We and our coaches know this. You hear them say, "That's a fast pool (or slow pool). You will probably have a faster time (or slower time) at this or that pool. " This goes way back. It's true, there are fast pools and slow pools. Paris definitely has a slow pool
My sister is an olympic swimmer and I'm here in Paris supporting her (She's American). It is rlly sad how bad the conditions are, she has complained about the pool a little bit and the olympic village is apparently terrible. Apparently she had a piece of meet that was like raw. It's so sad bc you should expect good conditions. However, I am still having so much fun seeing the Olympics.
@@Vlaadek73raw meat is not good at all. Especially every day. Sportsmen have specific diets and they not design to eat delicatess of strange french cousine, especially in this high level of competition.
I think it’s a combination of many things. The conditions in the Olympic village and transportation would definitely have an effect. But I have no doubt the pool is a major factor in this. It is very obvious from watching this meet on tv and looking at past major meets that the waves are much worse in this pool. That’s why we are seeing some events more affected than others. Also looks like some swimmers are getting extremely close to hitting the underwater cameras.
I think those who dive down furthest (i.e. the breaststrokers on their underwater pullouts) are affected the most. But you are right - the waves on the surface are terrible too. I do find these times disappointing.
Shear friction, the force applied horizontally from the surface of the water or the bottom of the pool particularly when underwater matters a lot. Research into the fastest modes of swimming have found underwater dolphins on your side are just as fast if not faster than the fastest widely known method back underwater dolphins. On your back you have the advantage of your weaker up kick pressing back into your rising body vortex which reduces drag. But on your side, if you're in the middle of the pool the side surfaces are much farther away and hardly exert any shear friction whatsoever. Using this notion it would make sense a more shallow pool would exert more friction on your stomach or back. Additionally as others have mentioned there's less diffusion of energy down and instead that energy bounces off the walls back into the swimmers in the form of waves. Furthermore you have the issue of the vacuum phenomenon when kicking near the bottom of the pool pulls the swimmer closer towards the bottom and adjustments need to be made for start and turn depths and the psychology of things feeling "off" and the dimensions of the pool slows everyone down. tldr; its likely the pool.
Summer McIntosh was impressive in the womens 400 IM but no WR for her today - still well ahead ( and still a junior of course . I also heard just now that Adam Peaty of GB has tested positive for covid today so I wonder if he was feeling the effects of that yesterday and also wonder if covid is around in the village
@FaresKsebati check your facts. The rules say the pool should be 2mt deep, and so it is. The pools could be made 2m5m or 3m but that's optional and depends on how much money the prganization wants to spend on it the deeper, the faster. They are stingy, so they decided to go foe the minimum the rules can accept, which is 2mt
@@andreamantovani5354 you wrong the rule book said 2 meters to 3 meters. these days most competitive swimming pools are 3 meters. the paris olympics didn't want a 3 meter pool because they said the city code would not allow them to build 3 meter pool which is bs.
@minavamp2811 I am not wrong. I said the pool is following the International Federation's rules which says 2mt is ok. So the pool is totally compliant. It is slower than a 3mt one for sure. But building a 3mt one is easy more expensive than a 2mt one and the City, that pays for the pool, is simply making up excuses to justify not paying the extra mt which would have made the whole thing 50% more expensive
Air conditioning is not only related to temp/humidity. Also air quality: fresh, clean air. Poorly maintained equipment and/or bad ventilation leads to mold, bacteria, virus getting into people's lungs
And can we talk about the free lodging, with free food, free nursery services, and free dental and healthcare YOUR athletes are receiving here in our third-world country, because they simply can’t afford to pay thousands of bloody dollars to get a simple health checkup or a blood test in YOUR wonderful advanced country ?
Fares, great video thank you! A lot of strong points here. More importantly, the mental game of many of the swimmers fell after facing these conditions. But as the racing days went by, you can see some of them adjusted and their performance picked up. Resilience is a big part of high performance. Your mental can continue to spiral down as you focus on these conditions or you can slow down and adjust your game and strategy.
While I certainly understand the outside circumstances that may affect performance, I can't shake the idea that the pool depth from 3 meters to 2.1 meters has to doing something way more than expected. If that 2.1 meters is on the shallow side where the start blocks are, would it not be messing with a swimmers start? Their dive would be different, their walls would be adjusted. I mean it sucks to not a get a record at the Olympics but I am just happy to appreciate the great level of swimming regardless.
Thanks for this . I think its a combination of everything you've mentioned. Interesting to see what happens for the rest of the competition and on the track
When most were slow, they concluded that the pool was slow. Their logic that followed was that because the pool was slow, anyone breaking WR must've had extra help. But then, swimmers have become faster and WRs started to get broken everyday! .. Deduction: this pool can be swam fast, but many swimmers just hadn't adapted enough to it during the early days.
With such an intense field, I feel like all of those guys would’ve been a full second faster (at least) if this event happened at the US trials pool just a month ago
@@mschauer97in the finals he broke the 100 free world record by .5 seconds! So the pool apparently didn’t affect him. Or maybe his drugs were really great.
The top athletes stayed in hotels. However, the nutrition program for the athletes is geared toward being green and environmentally sustainable. The lack of AC in the buses and the high humidity are an issue as well.
Many athletes have moved from the olympic village due to bad food, raw meat, badly cooked meals, shortage of eggs and chicken but plenty of vegan and vegetarian having to wait over 45 minutes for food because the portions were too small and if you were training early you had to travel 45m or more to the venues then come back and wait another 45m or more for a meal the return and make another 45 minutes to the venues ,I believe this issue was resolved later, but many had to buy food outside of the village, not all can afford that. If the comitê wanted to be aware of the planet they should have done it in other ways, and think first that you do not change what the athletes are used to eat during high performance competitions, or force the athletes to sleep in very thin mattresses and not one full body mattress but cut in three, hot rooms without AC, longs distances from the performance venues, and so on. Yes, some cope better than others to change or bad conditions, but it's still not a good image for the organization.
You are right, except the temporary pool (main swimming pool) is not on the right where you displayed it, but on the left of the Olympic village, it is called the Arena center and is located where you have your incrusted video
I’m not subscribing to idea that the Olympics are not designed to be fast because it’s just a bid media event. A world record would also be a big media event.
Fair enough but the organizing team(s) are not only focused on setting up a fast environment for swimming. They have a lot of other considerations that make the Olympics…the Olympics!
@FaresKsebati, I think you are mistaken with where you said the swimming events have taken place. It is actually taken place in La Defense Arena, which is southwest of where the Olympic village is right by that square landmark you used on the map. So the bus rides are actually much longer than 3 or 4 km. Thanks for the analysis, I really enjoy your content.
I've observed this over the years, that so much hard work is done, then at the last fence the athletes have little or no control over their environment and sub-optimal performances are the result. So disappointing for them.
Cardboard beds were used at a previous Olympics, but I don’t recall which one. I just remember an athlete revealing it in a video. I’m sure it was used for convenience and cost, much like people use air mattresses or pull out couches at home for infrequent guests.
If Taylor Swift performed there, surely that's the reason for the slow times. Little things in the world are not related to Taylor, this can't be an exception.
I do agree the environment in Paris is not the most optimal for high performance swimming but there are some swimmers who have done really well for themselves getting either close to or post their PB's: Mens 400m Freestyle: - BRA: G. Costa: 3:42.76 (New American Record) Womens 400m Freestyle: - GER: I. Gose: 4:02.14 (New PB) Mens 400m IM: - FRA: L. Marchand: 4:02.95 (New OR and only 0.4 off his WR) - JPN: T. Matsushita: 4:08.62 (Unexpected silver medalist and new PB at only 18-19 years old) Womens 400m IM - USA: Emma Weyant: 4:34.93 (Bronze Medalist and New PB) Womens 100m Butterfly: - USA: T. Huske: 55.59 (Unexpected Gold Medalist and only 0.07 off her PB) 4x100m Freestyle Mens: - CHN: Pan Zhanle: 46.92 (Leading off only 0.12 off his PB) Mens 200m Freestyle: - USA: Luke Hobson: 1:44.79 (Bronze Medalist and new PB) Mens 100m Backstroke: - RSA: Pieter Cotze: 52.58 (New African Record) So if these specific athletes can adapt to these conditions, then why can't the other athletes do the same?
It seems you need to understand the sport well, why so many world or Olympic records can be achieved during Olympic Games? Because top athletic compete together, that’s will push the result further
I would think the food situation and uncomfortable beds are the two biggest contributors. Being well rested and properly nourished is key to performance and recovery. If the athletes aren't getting enough of either they won't perform at their best.
@@cristibaluta there have been a few social media posts from the athletes themselves saying that the mattresses are on the firmer side than they are used to/prefer.
@@AsianDoug They had the choice between 3 levels on firmness. PS: the same company made the Paris beds and the Tokyo beds. Likely improved them also in the mean time.
Et bien oui ce sont des JO à Paris et non dans un lieu aseptisé et purement fonctionnel. Les Jeux Olympiques traduisent un état d’esprit et un état d’être .Tellement heureux que Paris ait une âme . ❤
Although nobody is talking about this qualifying for an event in the trials are getting harder every year therefore the swimmers make their tapers for the trials just to qualify for the olympics.thats why most of the swimmers are outside of their peak performances.
Things clearly are sub-optimal here. Peaty didn't hit his best ever time in Tokyo but he was in the ball park within half a second. His form into this was not of that level but he swam a 58.5 in the British trials so its possible sub-optimal conditions in the pool and outside the pool added that on.
That entire heat (Men’s 100m breaststroke) was slow. Amazing race, but still weak times. Ever single one of those guys in the final knows they’re capable of so much more.
@@lukarus4998 I mean the flag could still be 5 meters out so stroke count wont be screwed over than... But idk, But I do agree, the swimmers would be sus of it just based on "feel"
@@jwang2879 But that means they would arrive to the flags in a different position with arms (left in front instead of the right, vice versa). Unless the pool would be so much longer that they could make a whole cycle and arrive with the exact expected position to the flags. Also breastrokers and butterfliers would know it immediately, they always count the strokes .
I am so not a professional athlete but i did competitive swimming as a teenager and I have definitely been in pools that have “thick” water where it was near impossible to get a decent speed due to increased water resistance. It’s usually from being improperly ph balanced. I’m just pointing out the US Olympic trials also did a temporary pool in an arena and a couple records were broken so that is so not an excuse.
@@FaresKsebatiit really was. There is a behind the scenes video here on TH-cam of how it was put up, strict requirements of the water, and then taking it down. Definitely worth the watch. Just wished Paris had watched it as well. We would have better times out of it.
That's an interesting talk because some other sports go through adaptations to "fit" the Olympics. In football, for example, the number of matches within 16 days of Games is a lot! It's all packed with very little time for recovery! So expectations on high quality matches may not always be kept. So one more reason to applaud those teams that get good results!
Ariarne Titmus swam way, way slower than her World Record 200m freestyle set in June. This is probably why. She has complained about the village and when I saw the bed set-up I could see why. It looked like a joke. The set up ridiculous. Now, hot buses? I'm all for saunas just maybe not just before an event.
I am not sure what is the issue. Are gold, silver, and bronze medals still being won? It is not about setting world records. It is about winning medals. World records are nice, but I would rather win the medal.
Agreed! The racing has been incredible. Swimming is a time based sport, so it is (normally) easy to compare times to gauge performance. In this Olympics it’s a lot harder to do that
Look at the men’s final breast stroke times and you will understand. The fastest was a 59.03. It was surprising to not see anybody hit 58 at this level of competition. Still a great race with an uncommon finish. 🎉
No air conditioning on the bus, no air conditioning in the rooms, unless you bring your own. Trying to push vegetarian food and running out of meat. What could go wrong?
If these different elements explain the slower times for swimmers then we should expect that other events like especially track and field will be impacted as well. And people like to claim the pool depth is a major reason for the slower times. Maybe, but I haven't seen a good explanation for that yet.
The explaination is much tougher anti-doping (especially compared to Covid period Tokyo olympics). There is just some stuff they were ALL taking in 21 (trimetazine and hgh) that they now cannot anymore.
To be fair, France should never held an Olympic! The opening ceremony was a total disgrace and abomination. No air-cons in the rooms for the competitors, the water for triathlon is discussing, the food was a jock. France totally destroy 5:31 themselves period.
There was an interesting point made in speaking to the people who work at the swimming events at multiple Olympics. A number of them said that the pool in past Olympics was like glass in between heats and events but that the Paris pool seemed never to be in this calm state. Take a look at the photo in this video of Marchand. It's interesting that the water is quite rough, certainly in no way is it calm or glassy and there is only one person in the pool. Merchand just finished his race and has been walking around a bit with the open gutters and lane lines designed specifically to neutralize any turbulence this does not seem right.
Conditions are the same for everyone. they're not designed to give some extra edge for any specific group. So, let's not argue about world records. Enjoy the race.
Conditions may be equal, but not everyone performs under the same conditions. For example, if (hypothetically) the cafeteria only served one ethnicity of food. That specific ethnicity would be more comfortable than another yet their conditions were the same.
😂@@iBlueblackIncorrect. Some athletes are staying in hotels or airbnb. Some countries are providing air conditioning. Some countries are providing their own food.
Well the beds are the same as Tokyo games and nobody said anything about it at that time... If there is condensation on the bus windows it's because it's cold inside and not hot... Especially that it's pretty hot outside actuall, above 30°c. The food...well as mentioned is the same every games and everyone knows that the Brits don't know what's good food. Have you tasted their cooking ? 😅
I have heard before some athletes got the option of not staying in the athletes village. They rather stay at a hotel, then go directly to the competition venue.
interesting points, but i think the slower times is likely due to the pool, bc if it was sleeping conditions/food/etc, it would effect people vastly differently. Like you could have some athelete that typically sleeps on the floor with no AC and then they wouldnt be as effected, but like u said times are down across the board
you might be underestimating the depth-factor. i dont exaclty know about swimming, because i am doing flatwater kayak racing. but i can confidently say for a racing kayak, when you go 500m in deep water (say in about 1m 50seconds), you will propably be around 2 seconds slower when the water is only like 1,50m. i could imagine the impact to be even bigger while swimming because you are deeper in the water.
Honestly, if athletes, their families and fans want a 5 star experience, with top notch venues, great food, great hospitality, transport and safety, then let Qatar organise it. People can hate them for not supporting men rawdoging eachother, but objectively they would be a perfect host. Of course I’d say there should be tighter inspection on worker safety, but if they can assure a safe environment for their workers, I’d say let’s go to Qatar. The WC2022 in terms of organisation was the best ever, it pains people to hear but they just have a bit of xenophobic bias playing with their ability to actually look at it objectively.
I have stayed in Paris at a good hotel many times. When it is really hot, you could not feel the air conditioning and the modern windows did not open (for, at least, fresh hot air!). The air conditioning worked fine when it wasn’t really hot outside. Not getting decent sleep is debilitating.
Just shows your ignorance. I'm an amateur athlete and these things even affect me. No way will it have no effect on these top level very finely tuned athletes.
definitely it is pool's depth. I have two pools around my house. I can feel very uncomfortable swimming in the shallower one especially for breaststroke and butterfly. So, I always prefer the deeper one and use the shallower one as backup.
the olympics is designed for “inclusiveness” and “”low foot print” but the organization seem to have forgotten the athletes needs in the process , what a shame
@@UltraFunky50000 except when it comes to schmoozing celebrities, IOC members and politicians.......no expensespared then. Bet they are living it up 6 star.
There are a lot of American swimmers whose face turn purple after swimming, are they all asthma patients who use stimulants, therefore being ashamed into angry and deliberately smearing when finding that they can't beat the Chinese athletes?😅
@@PierceINC don’t simply accuse if you have no proof, every winner in the competition will be tested after the race, so what is the problem here? Just show me the proof, if not why don’t you raise the complaint to WADA who carries out the test? Why not they shut down the organisation since it is not effective in finding the dopping athletic?
Thank you for providing the detailed information. Upon careful consideration of the facts, it becomes evident that the French committee entrusted with the organization of these Olympic Games has demonstrated a profound lack of competence and efficiency. Their actions have not only failed to meet the high standards expected of such a prestigious event but have also brought significant embarrassment to the nation of France. Given the magnitude of their shortcomings, it is imperative that the entire committee be replaced without delay. Furthermore, it is strongly recommended that France should be precluded from hosting any future Olympic Games to prevent a recurrence of such a debacle!
According to numerous complaints, I believe the quality standard supplied by the French Olympic committees is very unacceptable, sub standard (food quality, lodging, accommodations like AC to name a few). It will hurt them seriously in the future (added woke attack against Christianity)
There is nearly no AC in France. this is one of the reason why energy consumption per capita is less than half than in the US. So maybe people should stop complaining about lack of AC and learn to live like decent human beings.
It's a norm in Europe to not have AC so yeah people can and most live without it. As for others I think it depends on the athlete bcs I have seen some saying all is good and then there are few that make it seem horrible maybe for clout is my guess as the Olympics are held very similarly to the previous ones. The one thing they messed up is placement of the village compared to the venues and imo the pool was a mistake
This is kind of random, but do you think Qin and the rest of the Chinese team getting drug tested while sleeping/ drug tested multiple times had an affect on their performances?
Must have, and the other are scared shitless from taking trimetazidine now so it affect everyones times. Because the truth is, at Tokyo, they were ALL on tri, not just the chinese.
I wonder if the lunar phase could effect aquatic sports or the latitude position of the venue location away from the equator could add to performance loss/gains🤔
The most terrible Olympic ever! From the opening ceremony to the Olympic village, the food for the athletes and many other things. A prison cell in the US has a better condition than the rooms in the Olympic Village. They’re making 10 athletes staying in 1 unit without AC and with only 2 bathrooms! That’s ridiculous! The athletes need to eat well and sleep well to compete. I feel really bad for them for being thrown into this kind of condition. Especially for those triathletes who have to swim in that river. Every Parisian knows what’s floating in there🤮
Can you tell me why its the most terrible olympics ever? And why did you hate the opening ceremony so much? Which took place all around paris and the Seine instead of one single stadium? I dont get it!
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Pan Zhanle: "Eating meat here is like chewing wood",
Qin Haiyang: “It really has a huge impact. Basically, I am woken up at six o'clock every morning for testing.”
Sometimes I forget how refined sports have become and how close to perfection athletes have evolved.
So much that "little" things like this can have such a relatively big impact.
Fascinating!
Absolutely! 🙌
Diet during a competition is not “little thing” for athletes
@@diogocinefilo true! That’s why I put it in “ “.
Little was probably the wrong word.
My point was that it’s fascinating how close to perfection the core aspects like technique, strength, endurance have been honed.
So much that other things gain more and more priority. Things that were probably a lot lower in priority 50 years ago.
Like taking the team to a different country for 3 weeks, to acclimate and having sleep consultants in a team.
It’s fascinating to me, that things that have been considered “smaller” aspects, are now not so small anymore (as mentioned by you), because the athlete’s level in the core aspects are so good.
And of course those aspects are all intertwined and can’t be observed completely isolated, but I hope you understand what I mean😊
“Below expectations” applies to so many aspects of these substandard Game conditions. Worse than the pool competition is the fact that organisers actually made triathlon athletes swim in the filthy Seine River.
It's insane. Imagina hosting the Olympics and sending an athlete to the hospital withh E. Coli
The IOC is having problems because building everything new is incredibly expensive and cities are realizing that they could end up paying billions and be left with unused structure and make no profits. There were only two cities that applied for the games and they granted one city the 2024 games and the other the 2028 games because thet feared nobody would apply to host the 2028 games. The IOC is looking to make use of pre existing structures and temorary structures dramatically loweing costs in hopes of attracting more hosts in the future. This has dramatically lowered quality of the arenas but may save the olympics in the future, or kill them. Time will tell
@@supernova743 In Paris though they didn’t build everything new - and they cut down (to an unsustainable level) on quality in so many basic aspects! Mattresses in sections, cardboard framed beds, no air conditioning, vegan food - athletes need protein and more protein, transport to venues without air con. The triathletes should not have to swim in sewage! Add to that (and much more not stated) you can bet your boots that the IOC organising team will be very well paid regardless of how much debt is left to the taxpayers of the host nation to deal with.
France made it clear that the spirit of the Games is lost. It is an unfair playing field due to ridiculous policies (in the name of ‘inclusion’) and athletes have been disrespected and treated badly. Sub-standard. If we can’t create a healthy and fair competition it’s better to stop the waste of money and effort - and hand the sporting competition over to more capable hands.
didnt some of them start vomiting?
@@wli2718 Yes I seem to remember there were several. Triathletes were dosed up with antibiotics before and since the race. It’s unbelievably unhygienic.
I've also heard Popovici is staying in an AirBnB, so if he performs as expected then it would definitely show that the village conditions are having more of an effect than the pool
That would be a historic Airbnb…imagine the listing title 😂
@@FaresKsebati He just got Gold at 200m free style.
@@MihaiMC-2 he was 1.8 secs off his best though, maybe wave interference?
@@aquamanxavier yeah he was way off. Im officially convinced it's the pool
@@MihaiMC-2it is almost certain that the pool is the culprit
At this level every piece counts: cardboard beds, hot bus, pool depth, sleep quality, food
It all compounds in each other
Don’t forget the infamous std’s of the Olympic village
Lol
Controls?
I would of brought a king blowup bed
Also lack of sex, I mean, what girl would want to go to those tiny beds in rooms without air conditioning
The Chinese nailed it. They hosted the best Olympics ever and none of these issues existed. No one wants to hear that but it’s a fact.
Michael Phelps did have a near perfect Olympic Games experience! Outside of the fact his goggles filled up in the 200m butterfly, he broke the world record in almost every single event he swam!
True. Chinese people normally try to be the best host.
London 2012 was as good as Beijing for sure
@@liamrogers263But London is so much more expensive
The Chinese government made damned sure of that. Of course it was good
Depth of pool may be the cause. Swimmers create turbulence (waves). Shallow pool - waves cannot travel very far = MORE TURBULENCE. Deep pool - waves travel further and disperse more efficiently = LESS TURBULENCE. I swam at two similar size community pools. But, one is shallow and the other has a deep end. During lane swimming in the shallow pool, I was thrown around and had a difficult time staying in the lane. I didn't experience any problems while lane swimming in the deeper pool, even when it was crowded. Turbulence/opposing forces = less speed/more effort. Just a thought :)
For sure it’s an impact, but I think there’s more to the story.
@@FaresKsebati I wonder if sensors for registering are slow because they could not use top level equipment in coming under the proposed budget unlike other city who wanted to host finding out they would be over budget.
@@cristibaluta If this was a Chinese athlete, my guess is they were legally cheating $$$$ using actual PED's Because the proper organizations were bought off.
People have said just keep the Olympics in Greece, I mean when it comes to sustainability for the environment and finance, that would make a lot of sense
AGREED.
But will never happen because of money, money, money.
Maybe Greece doesn’t want to host each time.
@EightFrancs what do you mean because of money?
Greece has enough problems and the last time it was there it bankrupted them
Somebody suggested having a permanent location for each continent that rotates every games. That could potentially work too.
even tho the pool is shallow as heck. I think the main contributor is really the olympic village. I aint never seen athletes complain this much about those conditions in a hot minute. Imagine athletes are choosing to stay in an airbnbs for better conditions.
Agreed.
7 feet is not "shallow as heck".
@@jimbendtsen8841 it is certainly the shallowest I remember seeing at the Olympics
All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us. MJ
Because it's all about favorite stupid word in Europe this days - economy/saving. I wonder how they didn't put all swimmers in the Seian to not need to build the stadium
Not all swimming athletes stay in the Olympic village. Some wisely chose hotels next to the aquatic center and they are still slow
If you're good you're good, if you suck you suck...
So the pool is a contributor.
@@timn4481 some records set in pool today, so it isnt the pool! 😄
Suumer was -1.5s of the WR before the breaststroke leg, the pool depth for sure impacts breaststroke speed
Interesting observation. I did notice that. She may have just gone out really hard like Marchand did yesterday
you are onto something here... maybe of all the strokes breaststroke is the most impacted by the shallow pool.. makes sense with the depth some swimmers go at the turns and after the initial dive
@@cham00ko It is also just naturally the most resistance prone stroke. As much as swimmers can avoid pushing water, the recovery gets harder with even small waves.
Or maybe different swimmers just have different strengths and Summer isn't as good at breaststroke as the WR?
@@themountain3461 it is literally her world record from a month ago
Olympics Paris is looking like a contest on each countries budget for sports....bring your own food, book your own place, get your own vehicle
Next: bring your own pool
Absolutely right. But, it doesn't seem that those w/more money (US and Australia) are mitigating these terrible conditions all that well, yet anyway.
GB got a chef in too.
That's why it is less costly than other hosts. Other countries went way beyond the proposed budget. And being a host had serious negative economic repercussions to their economy after the Olympics. That's why no one wants to host Olympics.
@@JonsonJavier With the exception of China, who is using said venues for its own athletes and for events, sure economy had a downturn sort of from hosting in 2008 but is back because of now easier access to crap knock offs via Temu of higher low end Chinese products and higher end products, mid level, as well as crap via AliExpress as well as a few other sellers in Asia/Middle East and selling on e-Bay since 2010.
2022 Winter Olympics China was crap outright illegal via the Geneva convention and they basically ban athletes from even having real food or any communication with fake food being served just so China could game medals knowing this was happening, and in sports China is never really good at like most of the skiing or snowboard events, China purposely picked a spot so bad nobody was able to do there event, one person from South Korea Women is still Missing on one of the Snowboard events she just disappeared off the mountain and were barred by China from looking for her and when China tried they did not really look or could not because weather was too dangerous. South Koreans are now ban from going to China ever since even if athletes are doing a world event or some other kind of event on a circuit, they have to skip or face some harsh penalties.
I don’t think it’s the village conditions. They had cardboard beds in Tokyo and Japan summers are brutal, but some broke world records there. Plus, the U.S bought air conditioning units for our athletes in Paris. It’s the pool, probably depth and maybe temperature.
Agreed. A lot of variables
The shit vegan food impacts the athletes.
@@jimbendtsen8841 Wow you got brainwashed with that false narrative. Not all the food there is vegan. It's basically just following existing demand trends.
I was certainly expecting the ladies 400 free to be close to a world record for the winner given the high standard of the competitors
Agreed was hoping to see 3x athletes around 3:55
The swimming is not taking place in the aquatics center, it's in a different stadium venue that's quite a bit further away
Noted! Yes, even more reason why the bus system can have a big impact on peak performance! Thank you for the comment :)
Look again at the map: from the Olympic Village it to the left and slightly south - just behind La Defense (square, cubic icon) - it's marked Aquatics (Swimming).
Looks like you're right. Diving, waterpolo, artistic at the acquatic center. Only 5 minute bus ride from the village. No way such a short ride would matter. But it looks like the actual venue Paris La Défense Arena is a 20+ min bus ride which would suck if done multiple times a day.
@@tann_man It's 15minutes maximum. There are empty roads privatised for the games so it's fast.
In 2008 olympic there were new fast swimsuit and no instagram/X to complain about everything.
Best way to focus on performance 😅
90%+ It's the POOL.
That and covid going around. Peaty & Pallister are examples
99%
Next Olympics need a 10m deep pool!!
@@FaresKsebati the crazy long bus rides drain energy
Agreed. It's the pool. Competitive swimmers know this.
We and our coaches know this. You hear them say, "That's a fast pool (or slow pool). You will probably have a faster time (or slower time) at this or that pool. "
This goes way back. It's true, there are fast pools and slow pools. Paris definitely has a slow pool
My sister is an olympic swimmer and I'm here in Paris supporting her (She's American). It is rlly sad how bad the conditions are, she has complained about the pool a little bit and the olympic village is apparently terrible. Apparently she had a piece of meet that was like raw. It's so sad bc you should expect good conditions. However, I am still having so much fun seeing the Olympics.
Have fun and good luck to your sister! 🇺🇸
The food she had, they call it tartare, a French dish. 😂
raw meat is good, it'a french dish
@@Vlaadek73raw meat is not good at all. Especially every day. Sportsmen have specific diets and they not design to eat delicatess of strange french cousine, especially in this high level of competition.
@@olgazhdanovawell they have a canteen with more than one dish to choose from so like
I think it’s a combination of many things. The conditions in the Olympic village and transportation would definitely have an effect. But I have no doubt the pool is a major factor in this. It is very obvious from watching this meet on tv and looking at past major meets that the waves are much worse in this pool. That’s why we are seeing some events more affected than others. Also looks like some swimmers are getting extremely close to hitting the underwater cameras.
I think those who dive down furthest (i.e. the breaststrokers on their underwater pullouts) are affected the most. But you are right - the waves on the surface are terrible too. I do find these times disappointing.
Shear friction, the force applied horizontally from the surface of the water or the bottom of the pool particularly when underwater matters a lot. Research into the fastest modes of swimming have found underwater dolphins on your side are just as fast if not faster than the fastest widely known method back underwater dolphins. On your back you have the advantage of your weaker up kick pressing back into your rising body vortex which reduces drag. But on your side, if you're in the middle of the pool the side surfaces are much farther away and hardly exert any shear friction whatsoever. Using this notion it would make sense a more shallow pool would exert more friction on your stomach or back. Additionally as others have mentioned there's less diffusion of energy down and instead that energy bounces off the walls back into the swimmers in the form of waves. Furthermore you have the issue of the vacuum phenomenon when kicking near the bottom of the pool pulls the swimmer closer towards the bottom and adjustments need to be made for start and turn depths and the psychology of things feeling "off" and the dimensions of the pool slows everyone down.
tldr; its likely the pool.
hairy fish brain size friction science wins
Really like this summary!
Less water to absorb kinetic energy, very interesting comment, thank you!
Summer McIntosh was impressive in the womens 400 IM but no WR for her today - still well ahead ( and still a junior of course . I also heard just now that Adam Peaty of GB has tested positive for covid today so I wonder if he was feeling the effects of that yesterday and also wonder if covid is around in the village
Summer absolutely owned that race!!
Summer just set the Olympic Record today in the 200 Fly.
It's ridiculous that they couldn't replicate a pool with the proper depth
Agreed.
@FaresKsebati check your facts. The rules say the pool should be 2mt deep, and so it is. The pools could be made 2m5m or 3m but that's optional and depends on how much money the prganization wants to spend on it the deeper, the faster. They are stingy, so they decided to go foe the minimum the rules can accept, which is 2mt
@@andreamantovani5354 you wrong the rule book said 2 meters to 3 meters. these days most competitive swimming pools are 3 meters. the paris olympics didn't want a 3 meter pool because they said the city code would not allow them to build 3 meter pool which is bs.
@minavamp2811 I am not wrong. I said the pool is following the International Federation's rules which says 2mt is ok. So the pool is totally compliant. It is slower than a 3mt one for sure. But building a 3mt one is easy more expensive than a 2mt one and the City, that pays for the pool, is simply making up excuses to justify not paying the extra mt which would have made the whole thing 50% more expensive
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Pretty dumb though. Wouldn't they won't world records broken there. They don't care cheap people
Air conditioning is not only related to temp/humidity. Also air quality: fresh, clean air.
Poorly maintained equipment and/or bad ventilation leads to mold, bacteria, virus getting into people's lungs
Good points 🫁
And can we talk about the free lodging, with free food, free nursery services, and free dental and healthcare YOUR athletes are receiving here in our third-world country, because they simply can’t afford to pay thousands of bloody dollars to get a simple health checkup or a blood test in YOUR wonderful advanced country ?
America’s great again. !
Fares, great video thank you! A lot of strong points here. More importantly, the mental game of many of the swimmers fell after facing these conditions. But as the racing days went by, you can see some of them adjusted and their performance picked up. Resilience is a big part of high performance. Your mental can continue to spiral down as you focus on these conditions or you can slow down and adjust your game and strategy.
The arena is located in la défense, it is not where you claim it is. The aquatic center is for other sports like diving
While I certainly understand the outside circumstances that may affect performance, I can't shake the idea that the pool depth from 3 meters to 2.1 meters has to doing something way more than expected. If that 2.1 meters is on the shallow side where the start blocks are, would it not be messing with a swimmers start? Their dive would be different, their walls would be adjusted. I mean it sucks to not a get a record at the Olympics but I am just happy to appreciate the great level of swimming regardless.
The entire pool is the same depth. Normally it’s 3m. I think this is a contributing factor but not the full story.
Thanks for this . I think its a combination of everything you've mentioned. Interesting to see what happens for the rest of the competition and on the track
When most were slow, they concluded that the pool was slow. Their logic that followed was that because the pool was slow, anyone breaking WR must've had extra help. But then, swimmers have become faster and WRs started to get broken everyday! .. Deduction: this pool can be swam fast, but many swimmers just hadn't adapted enough to it during the early days.
My guess is it’s the pool. Popovici’s time wouldn’t have won an Olympic final since 2000
With such an intense field, I feel like all of those guys would’ve been a full second faster (at least) if this event happened at the US trials pool just a month ago
@@FaresKsebati enjoying your coverage Sir
a 2.15m pool is totally absurd for Olympics: this is crazy
Why? It's swimming, not deep diving!
@@rudyhonings 'cause it's recommended 3m deep
@@Endimione17Olympics ask for at least 2m. Which they got. It’s not crazy
Luckily its not 1.25 or
.15m
Many American & Canadian swimmers are staying at a hotel next door to the swimming venue. I see them at breakfast and mid day. Some. But not all.
None of that affected the chinese swimer who broke the record for an huge and historicall margin.
How do you explain the several records, both world and olympic, that were set in the women’s competition?
Not explained, just disregarded.
46.9 Pan with that pool shows how bloody good he's
That was in the relay and does not count, in the semifinal of the 100m free he swam a 47.21.
It counted because it was the first leg :) . Now in the final he broke the world record with an amazing swim 🫠@@mschauer97
@@mschauer97in the finals he broke the 100 free world record by .5 seconds! So the pool apparently didn’t affect him. Or maybe his drugs were really great.
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em I don't think he was on steroids, he just had an excellent swim. Congratulations Pan!
@@mschauer97you probably thought all the East German women swimmers were clean and just fast lol.
The top athletes stayed in hotels. However, the nutrition program for the athletes is geared toward being green and environmentally sustainable. The lack of AC in the buses and the high humidity are an issue as well.
Cardboard beds have already been used during the Tokyo games. Another world record has fallen yesterday. What are you guys whining about?
Many athletes have moved from the olympic village due to bad food, raw meat, badly cooked meals, shortage of eggs and chicken but plenty of vegan and vegetarian having to wait over 45 minutes for food because the portions were too small and if you were training early you had to travel 45m or more to the venues then come back and wait another 45m or more for a meal the return and make another 45 minutes to the venues ,I believe this issue was resolved later, but many had to buy food outside of the village, not all can afford that.
If the comitê wanted to be aware of the planet they should have done it in other ways, and think first that you do not change what the athletes are used to eat during high performance competitions, or force the athletes to sleep in very thin mattresses and not one full body mattress but cut in three, hot rooms without AC, longs distances from the performance venues, and so on.
Yes, some cope better than others to change or bad conditions, but it's still not a good image for the organization.
@@bluezauza Not true except for some eggs and meat shortages and the lack of AC.
I love your videos. This thought of yours makes a lot of sense to me. But we have to realise that these conditions are for all athletes.
Agreed 💯
I just saw a world record last night.
Probably the only one. Tokyo had multiple world records
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5emTokyo had mutiple better polls and the testing is more straight for Paris than Tokyo
@@readysetmoses yeah a dodgy one.
You are right, except the temporary pool (main swimming pool) is not on the right where you displayed it, but on the left of the Olympic village, it is called the Arena center and is located where you have your incrusted video
I’m not subscribing to idea that the Olympics are not designed to be fast because it’s just a bid media event. A world record would also be a big media event.
Fair enough but the organizing team(s) are not only focused on setting up a fast environment for swimming. They have a lot of other considerations that make the Olympics…the Olympics!
@FaresKsebati, I think you are mistaken with where you said the swimming events have taken place. It is actually taken place in La Defense Arena, which is southwest of where the Olympic village is right by that square landmark you used on the map. So the bus rides are actually much longer than 3 or 4 km. Thanks for the analysis, I really enjoy your content.
so guess that the athletes will need to train for these environments in future games, as the new bench mark for facilities and services has been set.
I think we’re going to see more and more world records happen outside the Olympics and less during the actual games as we’ve seen in the past.
I've observed this over the years, that so much hard work is done, then at the last fence the athletes have little or no control over their environment and sub-optimal performances are the result. So disappointing for them.
Cardboard beds were already used in Tokyo…
And? It's sucks anyway. Nobody sleep on this shit in their houses.
Maybe for homeless people better 😅
Cardboard beds were used at a previous Olympics, but I don’t recall which one. I just remember an athlete revealing it in a video. I’m sure it was used for convenience and cost, much like people use air mattresses or pull out couches at home for infrequent guests.
If Taylor Swift performed there, surely that's the reason for the slow times. Little things in the world are not related to Taylor, this can't be an exception.
The food probably has WEF bug flour too
Well, she attracts losers, so....😂
I do agree the environment in Paris is not the most optimal for high performance swimming but there are some swimmers who have done really well for themselves getting either close to or post their PB's:
Mens 400m Freestyle:
- BRA: G. Costa: 3:42.76 (New American Record)
Womens 400m Freestyle:
- GER: I. Gose: 4:02.14 (New PB)
Mens 400m IM:
- FRA: L. Marchand: 4:02.95 (New OR and only 0.4 off his WR)
- JPN: T. Matsushita: 4:08.62 (Unexpected silver medalist and new PB at only 18-19 years old)
Womens 400m IM
- USA: Emma Weyant: 4:34.93 (Bronze Medalist and New PB)
Womens 100m Butterfly:
- USA: T. Huske: 55.59 (Unexpected Gold Medalist and only 0.07 off her PB)
4x100m Freestyle Mens:
- CHN: Pan Zhanle: 46.92 (Leading off only 0.12 off his PB)
Mens 200m Freestyle:
- USA: Luke Hobson: 1:44.79 (Bronze Medalist and new PB)
Mens 100m Backstroke:
- RSA: Pieter Cotze: 52.58 (New African Record)
So if these specific athletes can adapt to these conditions, then why can't the other athletes do the same?
It seems you need to understand the sport well, why so many world or Olympic records can be achieved during Olympic Games? Because top athletic compete together, that’s will push the result further
Great examples! I think all/most of these swims would have been event faster in another environment. Great racing nonetheless!
@@yougohgoh1 what do you mean by that? Care to explain?
@@FaresKsebati I guess we'll have to wait and see for the next competition
I would think the food situation and uncomfortable beds are the two biggest contributors. Being well rested and properly nourished is key to performance and recovery. If the athletes aren't getting enough of either they won't perform at their best.
Would love to see how the food compares to prior Olympic village setups
The are similar if not better than in tokyo, so is the food.
Tokyo had similar if not same beds, and athletes had to deal with all the covid shenanigans too which surely would've impacted peak performance.
@@cristibaluta there have been a few social media posts from the athletes themselves saying that the mattresses are on the firmer side than they are used to/prefer.
@@AsianDoug They had the choice between 3 levels on firmness. PS: the same company made the Paris beds and the Tokyo beds. Likely improved them also in the mean time.
Very interesting. Times may be slightly slower but the races are still exciting to watch.
Et bien oui ce sont des JO à Paris et non dans un lieu aseptisé et purement fonctionnel. Les Jeux Olympiques traduisent un état d’esprit et un état d’être .Tellement heureux que Paris ait une âme . ❤
You made really good points that i had not though about
Although nobody is talking about this qualifying for an event in the trials are getting harder every year therefore the swimmers make their tapers for the trials just to qualify for the olympics.thats why most of the swimmers are outside of their peak performances.
That’s a great point 💯
@@ahmetmert84 rubbish.
when they cannot break record, it's because the pool is so shallow. When Chinese broke record, it's because of doping..
We are living in a strange world. Chinese are too good, they are outliers, they should not be allowed to compete in an American dominated world.
Also some of the swimmers had COVID before the Olympics and couldn't train well and this just adds up to the others 😢
Peaty had COVID during his attempt ... Certainly can't have helped either.
if a lot of athletes in other sports are also doing worse than expected i would say it’s the village if it’s just swimmers then it’s the pool
Things clearly are sub-optimal here. Peaty didn't hit his best ever time in Tokyo but he was in the ball park within half a second. His form into this was not of that level but he swam a 58.5 in the British trials so its possible sub-optimal conditions in the pool and outside the pool added that on.
That entire heat (Men’s 100m breaststroke) was slow. Amazing race, but still weak times. Ever single one of those guys in the final knows they’re capable of so much more.
He swam 57.94 in the English trials...
Pan set a WR in the 100, and so did the womens team 200m... so it wasn't all slow if youre setting WR's
maybe the length of the pool is 51 or 52 meters instead of 50 meters
Could you imagine if that was discovered later…
Swimmers would know it immediately without measuring it. Especially the backstrokers because it would completely mess with their wall approach.
@@lukarus4998 I mean the flag could still be 5 meters out so stroke count wont be screwed over than... But idk, But I do agree, the swimmers would be sus of it just based on "feel"
@@jwang2879 But that means they would arrive to the flags in a different position with arms (left in front instead of the right, vice versa). Unless the pool would be so much longer that they could make a whole cycle and arrive with the exact expected position to the flags. Also breastrokers and butterfliers would know it immediately, they always count the strokes .
Hundreed meters 😂
I am so not a professional athlete but i did competitive swimming as a teenager and I have definitely been in pools that have “thick” water where it was near impossible to get a decent speed due to increased water resistance. It’s usually from being improperly ph balanced.
I’m just pointing out the US Olympic trials also did a temporary pool in an arena and a couple records were broken so that is so not an excuse.
The U.S. Trials pool was insane! (And faster)
@@FaresKsebatiit really was.
There is a behind the scenes video here on TH-cam of how it was put up, strict requirements of the water, and then taking it down. Definitely worth the watch. Just wished Paris had watched it as well. We would have better times out of it.
US trials pool was much deeper
great vid
Thanks for tuning in!!
I thought the swimming was actually held in La Défense Arena but maybe I was wrong 😅
One thing to even it all out, it’s the same for all the competitors!
Has to be the waves and current in the pool, having a negative effect on the times.
I think that is part of it
@@FaresKsebati and the fact that one of the swimmers exposed how HOT it is on the transport bus...
Proves that the temperature is bothering them.
That's an interesting talk because some other sports go through adaptations to "fit" the Olympics. In football, for example, the number of matches within 16 days of Games is a lot! It's all packed with very little time for recovery! So expectations on high quality matches may not always be kept. So one more reason to applaud those teams that get good results!
Ariarne Titmus swam way, way slower than her World Record 200m freestyle set in June. This is probably why. She has complained about the village and when I saw the bed set-up I could see why. It looked like a joke. The set up ridiculous. Now, hot buses? I'm all for saunas just maybe not just before an event.
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Wait. So 13 million meals for 10,000 athletes over 14 days. Wow they are eating 93 meals a day. No wonder they are slow.
I am not sure what is the issue. Are gold, silver, and bronze medals still being won? It is not about setting world records. It is about winning medals. World records are nice, but I would rather win the medal.
Agreed! The racing has been incredible. Swimming is a time based sport, so it is (normally) easy to compare times to gauge performance. In this Olympics it’s a lot harder to do that
6:04 In France it's not a habit to have air conditioning. And fun fact this summer : it's very hot here
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If you’re from a country where air conditioning is normal, the change will throw you off.
Look at the men’s final breast stroke times and you will understand. The fastest was a 59.03. It was surprising to not see anybody hit 58 at this level of competition. Still a great race with an uncommon finish. 🎉
Yup yup! Checkout the video. That's the example I used.
@@FaresKsebatiI have also read a couple of complaints that pool is really wavy. There seems to be a lot of turbulence within lanes.
@@juanjaviercabrerothat's because it's an entire meter more shallow than normal Olympic pools.
The Aquatics center you are referring to is not the venue where Swimming race took place. You should look at La Defense Arena “near La Défense”
No air conditioning on the bus, no air conditioning in the rooms, unless you bring your own. Trying to push vegetarian food and running out of meat. What could go wrong?
I guess we’ll see what the total impact is at the end of the games, but I think we’re getting a preview
Most of the countries in the swim brought their own AC units for their athletes, so that shouldn’t be a factor.
If these different elements explain the slower times for swimmers then we should expect that other events like especially track and field will be impacted as well.
And people like to claim the pool depth is a major reason for the slower times. Maybe, but I haven't seen a good explanation for that yet.
The explaination is much tougher anti-doping (especially compared to Covid period Tokyo olympics). There is just some stuff they were ALL taking in 21 (trimetazine and hgh) that they now cannot anymore.
Popovici was wayyy off his best time but still won gold.
He made it happen, that was an incredible race
Everyone, except dopey Pan, were off their lifetime bests.
To be fair, France should never held an Olympic! The opening ceremony was a total disgrace and abomination. No air-cons in the rooms for the competitors, the water for triathlon is discussing, the food was a jock. France totally destroy 5:31 themselves period.
What no one seems to want to acknowledge here is that this Olympic Games edition has been cursed as the Opening ceremony set the tone for performance.
another weirdo!
There was an interesting point made in speaking to the people who work at the swimming events at multiple Olympics. A number of them said that the pool in past Olympics was like glass in between heats and events but that the Paris pool seemed never to be in this calm state. Take a look at the photo in this video of Marchand. It's interesting that the water is quite rough, certainly in no way is it calm or glassy and there is only one person in the pool. Merchand just finished his race and has been walking around a bit with the open gutters and lane lines designed specifically to neutralize any turbulence this does not seem right.
Conditions are the same for everyone. they're not designed to give some extra edge for any specific group. So, let's not argue about world records. Enjoy the race.
That is true. But come on. Records and PB is more glorious than the ranking.
Conditions may be equal, but not everyone performs under the same conditions. For example, if (hypothetically) the cafeteria only served one ethnicity of food. That specific ethnicity would be more comfortable than another yet their conditions were the same.
Tell me that you are stupid, without telling me you are stupid 🤣🤣🤣
@@FaresKsebatiexactly 👍
😂@@iBlueblackIncorrect. Some athletes are staying in hotels or airbnb. Some countries are providing air conditioning. Some countries are providing their own food.
Well the beds are the same as Tokyo games and nobody said anything about it at that time...
If there is condensation on the bus windows it's because it's cold inside and not hot... Especially that it's pretty hot outside actuall, above 30°c.
The food...well as mentioned is the same every games and everyone knows that the Brits don't know what's good food. Have you tasted their cooking ? 😅
I can't wait for the 50m and 100m free that's going to be a dogfight
Yes, I am very excited as well!!
@@FaresKsebati the 200m free was really good race too
I have noticed that there is a lot more strategic racing happening than is usual - that is looking for the win over the time.
Amazing racing so far!!
(I’m guessing)
the beds are harder than any of the ones they previously slept on.
Tough to sleep on a cardboard box and swim fast...
@@FaresKsebatisame beds than Tokyo…
You haven't slept in a Chinese bed yet 😂 it's like sleeping on the floor.
@@MrSegmentfault my bed is made in china…and it’s as normal as any other beds
@@loadingnewads rubbish, everything chinese is bad.
I have heard before some athletes got the option of not staying in the athletes village.
They rather stay at a hotel, then go directly to the competition venue.
If it's the conditions, how are other sports performing?
Good point! We will see (especially events that are time based)
They will perform poorly as well, if you want to see HGH and trimetazdine era record be broken, wait for the Enhanced Games bro.
@@touche2653Absolute bullshit
interesting points, but i think the slower times is likely due to the pool, bc if it was sleeping conditions/food/etc, it would effect people vastly differently. Like you could have some athelete that typically sleeps on the floor with no AC and then they wouldnt be as effected, but like u said times are down across the board
you might be underestimating the depth-factor. i dont exaclty know about swimming, because i am doing flatwater kayak racing. but i can confidently say for a racing kayak, when you go 500m in deep water (say in about 1m 50seconds), you will propably be around 2 seconds slower when the water is only like 1,50m. i could imagine the impact to be even bigger while swimming because you are deeper in the water.
Honestly, if athletes, their families and fans want a 5 star experience, with top notch venues, great food, great hospitality, transport and safety, then let Qatar organise it.
People can hate them for not supporting men rawdoging eachother, but objectively they would be a perfect host.
Of course I’d say there should be tighter inspection on worker safety, but if they can assure a safe environment for their workers, I’d say let’s go to Qatar.
The WC2022 in terms of organisation was the best ever, it pains people to hear but they just have a bit of xenophobic bias playing with their ability to actually look at it objectively.
The gulf (UAE or Qatar) would host an incredible Olympics! I have competed in both countries and it was an amazing experience!
Middle East, Asia, Russia and America do it best always. Best hosts, best conditions always and best care. ❤
I have stayed in Paris at a good hotel many times. When it is really hot, you could not feel the air conditioning and the modern windows did not open (for, at least, fresh hot air!). The air conditioning worked fine when it wasn’t really hot outside. Not getting decent sleep is debilitating.
This is bs, a wr was done today.
The only one. And Pan’s drugs were so potent that it overcame the slow pool.
yeah .. in Beijing the pool was too slow as well, there was too much red everywhere it was disturbing
Dont be rediculous, swimming pool is the problem, nothing else!
Just shows your ignorance. I'm an amateur athlete and these things even affect me. No way will it have no effect on these top level very finely tuned athletes.
You didn't watch the video 😂
definitely it is pool's depth. I have two pools around my house. I can feel very uncomfortable swimming in the shallower one especially for breaststroke and butterfly. So, I always prefer the deeper one and use the shallower one as backup.
the olympics is designed for “inclusiveness” and “”low foot print” but the organization seem to have forgotten the athletes needs
in the process , what a shame
@@UltraFunky50000 except when it comes to schmoozing celebrities, IOC members and politicians.......no expensespared then. Bet they are living it up 6 star.
in short, cheap !
There are a lot of American swimmers whose face turn purple after swimming, are they all asthma patients who use stimulants, therefore being ashamed into angry and deliberately smearing when finding that they can't beat the Chinese athletes?😅
Qin was 57 because he was on dope
If he is dopping and the organiser fails to test it after the race, whose problem is this? The athletic or the system?
Use your brain before taking
@@yougohgoh1 I blame the cheater. Learn how to spell. Use your brain before writing.
@@PierceINC don’t simply accuse if you have no proof, every winner in the competition will be tested after the race, so what is the problem here?
Just show me the proof, if not why don’t you raise the complaint to WADA who carries out the test? Why not they shut down the organisation since it is not effective in finding the dopping athletic?
Thank you for providing the detailed information. Upon careful consideration of the facts, it becomes evident that the French committee entrusted with the organization of these Olympic Games has demonstrated a profound lack of competence and efficiency. Their actions have not only failed to meet the high standards expected of such a prestigious event but have also brought significant embarrassment to the nation of France. Given the magnitude of their shortcomings, it is imperative that the entire committee be replaced without delay. Furthermore, it is strongly recommended that France should be precluded from hosting any future Olympic Games to prevent a recurrence of such a debacle!
According to numerous complaints, I believe the quality standard supplied by the French Olympic committees is very unacceptable, sub standard (food quality, lodging, accommodations like AC to name a few). It will hurt them seriously in the future (added woke attack against Christianity)
There is nearly no AC in France. this is one of the reason why energy consumption per capita is less than half than in the US. So maybe people should stop complaining about lack of AC and learn to live like decent human beings.
It's a norm in Europe to not have AC so yeah people can and most live without it. As for others I think it depends on the athlete bcs I have seen some saying all is good and then there are few that make it seem horrible maybe for clout is my guess as the Olympics are held very similarly to the previous ones. The one thing they messed up is placement of the village compared to the venues and imo the pool was a mistake
Some of the fastest qualifiers, starting from lane 4, performed miserably in finals. That explains all the factors that you discussed
This is kind of random, but do you think Qin and the rest of the Chinese team getting drug tested while sleeping/ drug tested multiple times had an affect on their performances?
That’s tricky, we may never know.
Must have, and the other are scared shitless from taking trimetazidine now so it affect everyones times. Because the truth is, at Tokyo, they were ALL on tri, not just the chinese.
I wonder if the lunar phase could effect aquatic sports or the latitude position of the venue location away from the equator could add to performance loss/gains🤔
Swimming against the tide is also slower
The most terrible Olympic ever! From the opening ceremony to the Olympic village, the food for the athletes and many other things. A prison cell in the US has a better condition than the rooms in the Olympic Village. They’re making 10 athletes staying in 1 unit without AC and with only 2 bathrooms! That’s ridiculous! The athletes need to eat well and sleep well to compete. I feel really bad for them for being thrown into this kind of condition. Especially for those triathletes who have to swim in that river. Every Parisian knows what’s floating in there🤮
Can you tell me why its the most terrible olympics ever? And why did you hate the opening ceremony so much? Which took place all around paris and the Seine instead of one single stadium? I dont get it!
Those are the best olympics ever, the venue are amazing, the opening was gorgeous, it's incredibly beautiful!
For the athletes its not,poor living conditiions in olympic village.
Agreed. The worst Olympics EVER.
@@jetw9522 actually you are wrong.