The final difference is the GRIP - notice the slight internal rotation on the chest variant vs the closed fist on the triceps. It doesn't look like much, but this allows for a more comfortable arm path to stretch the chest, which is why I can go deeper on the chest dip
AMAZING CHANNEL! I look at the floor for pec dips and high on the wall for tris, so I was going to say head position. I do the pec dips in a corner of my kitchen counter and position my hands a bit wider but also point the middle finger 45° to the side, as opposed to 90° (a.k.a. directly to the side) for triceps dips. Would love to see your thoughts on push ups plus (end-range push ups or serratus push ups) or dips plus. Or anything else... THANK YOU for all you do. 💪🏻
Nah, the leanng forward hits more shoulders. You dont hunch when you do flies or any bench press variation. This guy just copied some other tik tok fitness guru that thinks he knows what's he talking about.
@@calebbrown1455let’s all forget what we know and instead start listening to Caleb brown eye the almighty fitness god who’s form as everybody knows is impeccable
Well it's actually about staying more upright for triceps. You still go as deep as possible, but mechanically you dont go as deep as you can when leaning forward for chest.
Yup and it's both not really all that great for the triceps due to a lack of stretch and the long head lengthening at the shoulder joint during the concentric
Using chains over your neck/traps helps overload and tilt your body for more chest. And a using a belt with a chain with the weight directly under you helps keep you vertical and overload for the triceps.
Triceps: elbows in, only lower to parallel, Stay upright. Lock out the elbows. Chest: Full ROM(hands to arms pits) Flared elbows Forward lean Don’t lock out the elbows and fatigue the triceps.
Opening up the grip allows you to activate more muscles in your forearm ie: the inside muscle group activated your front posture while having a controlled close grip activated your outside forearm muscle group which translates into working your posture for you back, right?
Another way of thinking about it is for a chest dip, the torso is bending forward a lot more. For a tricep dip, aim to keep the torso upright and straight. Works wonders and is exactly what’s being done in the video, just thinking about it in a different way
But in the video, he crosses his legs on the tricep dip, which helps lean the body forward. He says keeping the feet forward helps align the body on the chest dip. I've always felt it was the opposite.
you bend your body more forward to get a better stretch on chest, and you keep your body straight to get a better stretch on triceps. both the stretches happen at the bottom range of motion.
correct except for if u really stay upright and even bring your legs forward a bit, the extreme version of what i described is pretty much just and L sit, doing dips like that puts like 99% of the load on the triceps and is almost impossible for most people (the full L sit dip i mean)
Yup it also prevents the muscle from actually contracting in the concentric as it then lengthens at the shoulder joint due to shoulder flexion. It's a crap triceps exercise
The other difference is you reduce the deep stretch when doing the tricep variation by not sinking all the way down. U keep ur arm in a L position vs V position
Hollow body on chest dips, whearas on triceps dips you allow your body to shift backwards. Also, there is a difference in grip and elbow flare between these two examples.
Random stuff: chest dips at full stretch has your humerus in the same/very similar position as a guillotine press. Yet most people say the guillotine press is for upper pecs and dips are for the lower chest. I think these notions come from people thinking the contraction is as important as the stretch. With a dip youre contracting the lower chest maximally. With a guillotine press the upper chest is contracted maximally. But again as we know, the stretch is more important for chest growth so both exercises should build mass in similar areas. This has been making me question many ideas we have on exercise variety.
does anyone else’s elbow feel like the many tendons inside the elbow gets shifted to the right or the left whenever u get in the maximum stretched position where the long head of the bicep makes contact with the brachoradialis? or is that just me
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The final difference is the GRIP - notice the slight internal rotation on the chest variant vs the closed fist on the triceps. It doesn't look like much, but this allows for a more comfortable arm path to stretch the chest, which is why I can go deeper on the chest dip
AMAZING CHANNEL!
I look at the floor for pec dips and high on the wall for tris, so I was going to say head position.
I do the pec dips in a corner of my kitchen counter and position my hands a bit wider but also point the middle finger 45° to the side, as opposed to 90° (a.k.a. directly to the side) for triceps dips.
Would love to see your thoughts on push ups plus (end-range push ups or serratus push ups) or dips plus.
Or anything else...
THANK YOU for all you do. 💪🏻
There's little difference for the triceps. The main difference is between shoulders or chest. Use your brain and quit copying what other people say
@@StephanJobeswe’d love to hear your thoughts on the matter, StephanJobes😀
I was going to guess head looking down for chest as opposed to looking more forward for triceps
@@cloudtv7626 you already did smart ass
Chest dip you lean forward, tricep dip you're upright
Yep
Nah, the leanng forward hits more shoulders. You dont hunch when you do flies or any bench press variation. This guy just copied some other tik tok fitness guru that thinks he knows what's he talking about.
It really just depends on wide you are and how deep you go that determines what muscle you're emphasizing on.
@@calebbrown1455let’s all forget what we know and instead start listening to Caleb brown eye the almighty fitness god who’s form as everybody knows is impeccable
@@calebbrown1455 just no.
Matt stonie looking buff af 😂😂
Who?
@@gurnblanston5000 look him up
Haha lol
Food man
I really thought he was Matt
In the chest dip, you need to go down much more, in order to stretch out the pec fibers.
Well it's actually about staying more upright for triceps. You still go as deep as possible, but mechanically you dont go as deep as you can when leaning forward for chest.
@@axlvanaudenhove6564 Damn you right.
It’s more about the movement of the humerus, not the sTrEtCh!
Going any lower than the guy did in the video is not gonna do anything for you other than increasing your chances of shoulder injury.
@@SpiltBowlOfCereal It depends. Your mobility is the key. Some people should not go deep and stay in their comfort zone.
Dude for a second I looked at the thumbnail and thought "Matt Stonie??"
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Triceps you keep your arms in, chest you flare elbows
Yeah, flare you elbows if you want to f up your rotator cuffs
@@wheatleyjoestarjust because it hurts yours doesn’t mean it’s going to hurt others lol. everyone body builded different
@@mugi1571 Look, Natsuki, it's a pretty common problem because most people have weak rotator cuffs
@@wheatleyjoestar well to be fair my rotator cuffs are not that weak but my neck sure are
@@wheatleyjoestarexplain how
Leg position. Behind and forward or in-line determines how your body goes down in the dip. Pretty front swing will help target triceps more
Both EMG tests and hypertrophy studies indicate there is no significant differenece in muscle recruitment.
Yup and it's both not really all that great for the triceps due to a lack of stretch and the long head lengthening at the shoulder joint during the concentric
Using chains over your neck/traps helps overload and tilt your body for more chest. And a using a belt with a chain with the weight directly under you helps keep you vertical and overload for the triceps.
Triceps:
elbows in,
only lower to parallel,
Stay upright.
Lock out the elbows.
Chest:
Full ROM(hands to arms pits)
Flared elbows
Forward lean
Don’t lock out the elbows and fatigue the triceps.
I started pinching a dumbbell between my feet for a chest dip, even a few lbs will help keep your feet aligned to the right spot,
Great channel, bruv
This is great
In Chest dip head position is lower and in the tricep dip he looks forward.
Yeah, he's looking down with his chin tucked for "chest dip" and he is looking up/forward with his chin out for "triceps dip"
This was really helpful, I've started doing these and I wasn't sure if I was doing it right or not
Is there a way to do these or build up to these without causing shoulder pain?
I think the grip width that gives a biggest difference. Wider grip more chest, closer grip more triceps activation. Same with bench press
Opening up the grip allows you to activate more muscles in your forearm ie: the inside muscle group activated your front posture while having a controlled close grip activated your outside forearm muscle group which translates into working your posture for you back, right?
Another way of thinking about it is for a chest dip, the torso is bending forward a lot more.
For a tricep dip, aim to keep the torso upright and straight. Works wonders and is exactly what’s being done in the video, just thinking about it in a different way
But in the video, he crosses his legs on the tricep dip, which helps lean the body forward. He says keeping the feet forward helps align the body on the chest dip. I've always felt it was the opposite.
The differences is that lean for focusing on any variation
you bend your body more forward to get a better stretch on chest, and you keep your body straight to get a better stretch on triceps.
both the stretches happen at the bottom range of motion.
Pls tell me where u got those bars from
What dip bar brand is this ?
Nice breakdown
I usually look down for chest dip and look forward for triceps dip 😊
key is wrist position at where, in front of torso or behind the torso
Lats Flared and Engaged also help keep the tension in the triceps and shoulders as well
Ooo is that a baseblock brand dip bar
Legs on the chest the legs are straight down and a little forward and dips for triceps the legs are bent up at the knees with the feet facing back
Head is up on tricep dip - cool
I thought it was leaning forward for the stretch as well but idk, never knew how to really hit chest well
what about elbow position ? 🤔
like close or away from the body
the forward lean vs the more upright position of your upper body?
jesus christ. those forarms ❤
Is it the position of the legs?? Pelase gesture an indication me if it is what Im thinking here.
Does dips increase bench press?
which one is easier on the shoulder joints?
dips are solid for both the chest and the triceps but the muscle they target best no matter how they're performed is actually the anterior deltoid
correct except for if u really stay upright and even bring your legs forward a bit, the extreme version of what i described is pretty much just and L sit, doing dips like that puts like 99% of the load on the triceps and is almost impossible for most people (the full L sit dip i mean)
The other difference is the difference in depth.
The range of motion in Chest dip is more
At first glance I thought you were Matt Stonie
Protracting at the top of the chest dip for more chest engagement, where in the triceps dip no extra protraction is required at the top?
Position of the feel.
Lean foward for chest focus and more straight up for tricep
Chest dip, your legs are straight and angles forward. On the tricep dip, they are swept back and slightly bent.
Chest up (more upright posture) for Triceps
Chest more forward for Pecs.
Where's the weighted vest from?
It’s some kind of 5.11 plate carrier
Just a question but doesnt the tricep long head get shortened as you go into the dip coz of the shoulder extension? Which would negate a full stretch
Yup it also prevents the muscle from actually contracting in the concentric as it then lengthens at the shoulder joint due to shoulder flexion. It's a crap triceps exercise
The other difference is you reduce the deep stretch when doing the tricep variation by not sinking all the way down. U keep ur arm in a L position vs V position
I'll try that tonight, not sure about going down that much tho, I have a weak shoulder.
In chest dips your upper is bent over so so that you hit chest more than your shoulders and triceps while in the triceps dips you are more upright
You lean forward during chest, and stay straight while keeping legs slightly bent during triceps
Idk if it's what you're looking for but I go wider for chest dips to help engage the pecs better.
cheat dip lean forward, tricep dip more upright body positioning
i lean forward with a slight bend for chest dips that is a must for me that is the only way i myself can activate my chest otherwise it hurts lol
Tbh I need help postioning my hands, my wrists feel off when doing dips. Any tips?
I had pain in my wrists at first. Then I've switched the grip width so that it's narrower. No more pain.
I thought that was Matt Stonie for a second😅
Hollow body on chest dips, whearas on triceps dips you allow your body to shift backwards. Also, there is a difference in grip and elbow flare between these two examples.
"Hollow body"? Never heard this term
@@j.b.8546 Google it. That's basic body position for most calisthenics stuff.
Chest dip you have more range of motion vs the tricep dip
What’s the name of that weight vest?
Where your pants from?
Mack stonie doppleganger💀
Ngl at first I thought it was mattstonie
How far forward you lean
The deep stretch on the chest dip is the difference
PC for dips? Damn...eugene is swag af. Id get thrown out of my gym in battle rattle
Look down on the chest dip, look forward on the tricep dip? That’s all I got from it
Leg position 🔥
What is your height bro and your biceps size ?
the difference is in the inclination of the upper body
Difference in depth and leg position.
Good president
Brooo what's the name or kind of those pants
Wider (chest) vs narrower grip (triceps)
This is me 1 month in the gym and my goal is still able to dip
The tilt is the difference
Looking forward (tri) vs looking down(chest)
Body angle, leaning forward on the chest dips while staying upright on the triceps dips
On the triceps dip u put the feet a bit back bending the knees and maybe also crossing them
personally, I avoid the tricep dip as it places a lot of tension on my elbows, resulting in acute pain
Head forward in chest press
Random stuff: chest dips at full stretch has your humerus in the same/very similar position as a guillotine press. Yet most people say the guillotine press is for upper pecs and dips are for the lower chest. I think these notions come from people thinking the contraction is as important as the stretch. With a dip youre contracting the lower chest maximally. With a guillotine press the upper chest is contracted maximally. But again as we know, the stretch is more important for chest growth so both exercises should build mass in similar areas. This has been making me question many ideas we have on exercise variety.
You look like Matt Stonie from the side
Matt Stonie lookin a bit different
Looking like Temu swat team
The torso angle changes with the tricep dip but not the chest dip
The neck and face directions
does anyone else’s elbow feel like the many tendons inside the elbow gets shifted to the right or the left whenever u get in the maximum stretched position where the long head of the bicep makes contact with the brachoradialis? or is that just me
You're leaning forward for chest, more upright for triceps
yea, the last thing is that on chest dip shoulders hurt, on tricep dip wrists hurt
Chest dip: legs in front of the body
tricep dip: legs behind the body
you look like Matt Stonie
Chest dip has significantly more range of motion. His eyebrows are at the bar. The triceps dip his nips are level with the bar
Head up triceps
I see nothing wrong its a perfect form
When you realize there both tricep dips😂😂😂
the pants
Dips are too underrated.
Pecs that can do a powerful deep dip (sorry for the joke😂) can't be mistaken
How can i do this without my shoulders falling off lol
I thought the key difference was the colour of your pants 😂