Yeah, they have, on occasion, like when they had people from Intel talking about their upcoming GPUs. I'm guessing that, first of all, you need people from the industry who are willing and able to get involved. Also, budget may be an issue. John did a behind-the-scenes on some game a couple of years ago where he actually went to the devs' studio. It was like a documentary. It was sponsored, though, and he explained afterward that it was rare such opportunities presented themselves and he wouldn't have been able to do it had it not been sponsored.
I do hope in the future that both MS and Sony just let backwards comparability be a default. It's not some paywall service. This may allow cross gen to just mean 'play last gen targeted games on your new machine'. Not some enhanced higher Res/fps game that developers would have to optimise and stretch their resources for. Instead, all the energy goes towards next gen specific titles. Less target platforms, more reason to then own these machines, whilst still being able to play games that developers are releasing on older hardware.
Tho we don't really know yet. Heck we don't even know how the console looks like. So we just need to wait and see how this homegrown AI upscaler performs.@@yarost12
@@MN-jw7mm yes it is. Quick google confirmation AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 (FSR 3) is expected to use AI in 2024, including AI-powered frame generation. FSR 3 is an upscaling technology that uses a combination of machine learning and bilinear upscaling to improve image quality. The new technology is said to incorporate AI-powered frame generation similar to what Nvidia does with DLSS 3.
Microsoft headquarters must be a place where everyone is working on something different and no one knows what the others are working on in the meantime.
@@nathandts3401 They were once the dreamcast spiritual successors, waky creative games (og xbox). Then they were the online community console (xbox 360), where arcade games and social online gaming trived (aka CoD secraming kid) and you had an avatar (so some sorth of extra detachment with reality. Then the og xbox one striked, they turned into the evil corporation that doesn't care about games. Then they turned into the al mighty pixel beast sleek top notch hardware with Netflix for games. Honesty the current xbox has the least identity of all previous xbox, GP isn't as big of a deal as it was back then (the golden age of GP already was, I was there, and it was in fact not profitable). Kind of stagnated TBH, no innovation in both games nor features, less social elements, bye kinect
@@flipyapd2321 oh they are for sure just not enough that they were able to beat Microsoft to the ai punch. Nintendo all the way 😁 only company that lets us own stuff, and doesn't require internet to function
Mark Cerny is a smart guy. PCs were playing catch up with DirectStorage. It wouldn't surprise me if Cerny was looking at AI before it broke into the mainstream, even if OpenAI were pioneering it.
Indeed I can't wait for his presentation I bet a lot of surprises will be revealed. This guy came up with a god upscaling when it wasn't popular on ps4 pro.
Xbox and phil just ply it's fanbase with constant lies and broken promises why I left xbox and went to ps and nintendo only xbox fans left are the hardcore brand defenders who will stay till the end
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall Microsoft ever being a hardware or IC producer. Sony absolutely is and have been playing with AI ICs for a while now. Big difference in why one would reach this before the other.
Microsoft Azure actually had some cloud services running microsoft in housed design ARM CPUs and AI accelerators for a cheaper cost. Don't know if they still are running those machines in Azure, but there was a report on The Verge about it last year.
@@ChocoAL14 Sony build the AI chip included on raspberry pis. Infact they manufacture the entire pi. But they do have a very long history making custom ICs
PS as the lead platform for most development is the biggest problem that Microsoft face. The second biggest is Microsoft themselves putting out hardware containing features/capabilities that go unused even by Microsofts in house teams & Dev kit. MS needed a halo (please excuse the pun) product showcasing these capabilities and we've heard/seen nothing bar a little VRS demo from the Coalition for a Gen8 game. Even that ray tracing Minecraft demo DF showed way back had resulted in nothing.
Yes, Halo Infinite should be the showcase title for all the power that Xbox has but even with my low expectation, the games lags way behind most PS5 exclusives.
@@zamiryusof8239 That was tied to the cross gen nature of that Title and indeed to many titles. Current gen machines have amounted to little more than Gen 8 accelerators with a smattering of Ray-Tracing. Don't get me wrong, Halo Infinite is a great looking game, it's just a great looking Gen 8 Halo.
Phil Spencer is the man that saved Xbox and push it to get the most powerful console (X), the cheapest console (S), the best controllers (Classic, Elite Series 2, Adaptive Controller), the best services (Xbox Play Anywhere, Xbox Game Pass, Xbox Design Lab, etc...), the biggest number of studios (33), and very much more game than ever before with all these studios but also many Japanese Games that weren't on Xbox before, like Yakuza, Kingdom Hearts, Monster Hunter, Persona, Dragon Quest, Ace Attorney, Danganronpa, Guilty Gear Strive, Final Fantasy XIV, and soon the Mana franchise. People don't even measure all what Phil done for Xbox, and the industry
Technically Sony has made it possible to use Machine Learning on PS5, Spider-Man Miles and Spider-Man 2 use ML for realistic muscle deformation and there are a few other games from different devs that use it
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Thank you John for giving the best explanation upsclaing just wasn't ready when these consoles were made next gen of course it'll be a focus but no refresh means it's not possible
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60fps on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
@@ZeitGeist_TV They are probably releasing the PS5 Pro just to beta test the PSSR and then release an improved version like PSSR 2.0 with the PS6, maybe with frame-gen as well
I’ve told people for years that PlayStation was better and that the company that made the systems are are a huge reason for that. It must be humbling for Xbox fans to hear about all of this. Man
I remember a xbox fanboy bragging about it. Wait till they use it, now they can’t lol. To bad he dissapeared right around Starfield the game of the generation released, or the end of playstation as he called it lol
@@solid_justice5855 Come on, don't throw stones if you're in a glasshouse. How's that SSD in the PS5 going? How about the revolutionary 3D audio? How about 4k at 60fps? lmao.
He really should find himself better-fitting glasses. They’re always falling off his face. He basically needs to tilt his head, just so that he can line up his glasses to his line of sight and see clearly.
Everyone taking advantage of the audience that the bad Xbox news brings. All news sites, twitter and forums. At this point I see that this is what everyone covering the industry wants, the downfall of Xbox. It seems like it would be better for almost everyone if Microsoft actually stopped making hardware and focused on its roots, software.
So once again Sony proves how forward thinking they were compared to Xbox PS5 is already the world’s most powerful console * and PS5 Pro will make the gap bigger *judging by the results including Xbox’s own games like Hi-Fi Rush which looks better on PS5
performance differences in current gen consoles has more to do with dev optimizations just because the two systems are so wildly similar. honestly neither system is meaningfully more powerful than the other imo
@@jur_esque When more games favors one platform over the other that proves which one is designed better which makes it “more powerful” as a result it’s not just “optimization”
@@joemikami I agree but for a different reason. I think series S is the culprit since that is so much harder to develop for and Xbox requires you to develop for both
@@joemikami yeah, I have extremely mixed feelings on the series S. I like the accessibility but it seems so lame for devs and the progression of tech in consoles
Sony has been researching ML and specifically image (re) construction for aeons. Sony has extensive semiconductor, sensor, and imaging and software experience and expertise; so to paint Sony as being green and the underdog is another DF fail.
@@dusermiginte4647 once all these acquisitions start releasing turd after turd on top of numerous delays and crooked microtransactions we'll see how fast it burns. MS will eventually get desperate to sell it all back by the end of the next generation.
Well....SONY actually has a very capable A.I RnD division. Its still fairly new. Only a few years old. But given their success with Sophy they should be taken seriously.
MS bought into AI /ML but it’s not as if they were ever in the forefront of the development of it. It’s another one of those things that MS came to the party late to, threw some money around but really didn’t know how to maximize it because they didn’t fully understand it and then just let it die in the vine while others pick up the ball and run.
@@ForTheViolencewe're also assuming that the leaked capabilities will be as potent as advertised. And we know good and well that it won't be because the technology is only just not getting "good" on the PC side.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60fps on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Hey DF is it possible for the machine learning to mimic the cel processing environment of the PS3 on the 5 so we can finally play physical discs again 🥺
With the release of gamepass and the marketing machine fully focussing on that instead the box itself was already a clear start of ms moving away from the hardware side. The gaming on every platform strategy was there way forward.. but it seems they lack the strategy to get it done.. xcloud still in beta
The new Xbox-X will have no disc drive so no worries about playing cheap used games from bargain bins or keeping your old disc game around anymore , you can sell them for cash.
Plz, can you resell me one of those cheap digital purchases that you buy at a bargain price@@techknow9237 ? Whatever of those could be, I don't care the genre or the age /sarcasm
You know a Microsoft first party studio made that demo. I don't know why this community crowns Sony. They haven't made anything close to it. Hellblade 2 look like it does for a reason.
@@Gen_X_Gamer_79false, Epic Games is not an Xbox First Party studio, in fact Sony owns 5% of them. If you're talking about The Coalition, they didn't make the demo. They just helped porting the Xbox version as well as providing support
It was my understanding that series X and PS5 hardware were very similar and even the Series X was the more powerful device, even if marginally. How is it that PS5 has better capabilities for AI?
You aren’t watching enough of this channel. Microsoft flubbed their design and like for like nearly every game runs worse on the series x than the ps5. Sony’s software and cpu interactions just worked out better.
So is Microsoft not releasing anything to compete with the PS5 Pro? One of the selling points of the Xbox Series X was that it was 'the most powerful console ever made' so I'd expect them to put out something to match the pro.
Playstation has the fanbase to justify a PS5 Pro. They are outselling Xbox 3 to 1. Microsoft has zero reason to release a more powerful Xbox. According to the FCC leaks they are fully focussed on next-gen and possibly hybrid console.
Xbox series S is Xbox one S base entry console (the equivalent is PS4...) Xbox one X was the equivalent of the PS4 pro By deduction, Xbox series S is the equivalent of PS5.... And series X IS the/a Xbox "Pro" version PS5 is an unique system, the pro version IS a logical move. A model evolution every 4/5 years. WE are far Away from CPU, GPU, smartphones annuals releases (for minors changes)........
@chasethechosenone8478 if developers stuck to 60fps at the start of development instead of high resolutions with rt you wouldn't be so gullible to think you need a pro model 4yrs in 😂
Microsoft are the 3rd most influential company when it comes to the top AI Tech Companies in the world. Only Nvidia and IBM are ranked above them. Sony doesn't even make it into the Top 30, BTW. You are either forgetting about or just don't know about Microsoft's Edge Browser, Bing: Chat, Cortana, Azure, Microsoft Designer, Dynamics 365, Seeing AI, SwiftKey AI and thier recent AI foray that brings together many of thier AI apps under one umbrella: Copilot. Hell, they even intergrated AI into OneDrive, Outlook and Microsoft 365 (office) a while back.
Not really. They really aren't that worried about consoles. Their money making is in software, and they would like to expand that to reach everyones customer base.
@@Mcnoobletlol that's not it, Microsoft made trillions from windows and office, not Xbox, Xbox has it's own financial department under Microsoft, they've never made money to even effect the trillions they made with widows and office, this isn't about that
@@ShadyPaperclips same happened with xbox original to xbox 360. xbox original started 1 year after ps2, and was killed 1 year before ps3, only a 4 years lifespan. i think they are going to try replicate it. that's why they are not doing a "pro". they want to make the next gen before the release of ps6.
Rumor is that Sony has already locked-in AMD and has been working with them, while MS was still shopping around until late last year, possibly even now still.
Are they stuck with AMD contractually? First Xbox was made with NVIDIA parts and they should definitely be going back to their origins. Release the console at a loss if you have to and with an exclusive IP that can’t be replicated by Sony. They’re is a unique position if they stick to their guns and don’t follow Sony down the mid gen refresh route, but they have to be radical in their approach.
They also know , next console gen will not get PlayStation or Xbox to 4k 60 or even 1440p 60 gaming at high settings , on every game because they need the head to head videos for views and clicks ,but won’t tell you that yet either !!!!!
Theres no point of pointing out Sony beating MS to frame generation or AI upscaling, when any techniques they come up with now wont impact anything until the next generation. Im still waiting on next gen graphics for this current gen!!! Also AMD added frame generation to MS sdk, so FSR 3.1 should be available to both consoles pretty soon.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Basically Phil tricked, or bribed DF to help con fans about the power of the Series X and S. Xbox Fans blew $500 waiting for “Tools” that aren’t coming.
Given the resources at microsoft, they are an utter shambolic mess, and pretty much always have been. This isn't only evident in xbox, but in all ms products. They have successfully ballsed up the last two generations of consoles.
I hope that on the pro games are engineered for 40 fps, 70fps with upscaler and 120 with frame generation. And finally games will be again developed and optimized for one single configuration. the ff7 rebirth "performance" experience was horror, just a waste of development resources.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
@@Rubik43 They are probably releasing the PS5 Pro just to beta test the PSSR and then release an improved version like PSSR 2.0 with the PS6, maybe with frame-gen as well
@@randyrrs7028 If so, I totally agree with them, not so easy to introduce this kind of features, but we can agree that the main contribution is software, not hardware, and they had 6 years to study xess and dlss.
I think not having machine learning in the base PS5 and Series consoles is just going to make the feature in PS5 Pro less of a worthwhile feature than people expect it to be. It'll be bigger on Switch 2 and PS6 since it'll be there right out of the gate, assuming those devices aren't as big as a water heater.
How wrong are you, the upscaler is that technology that allows you to have an upgrade with minimal development resources, unlike what happened with the PS4 Pro.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
I'm actually depressed for the real Xbox fans who have to watch how their platform does worse and worse when it comes to their IPs and shoving inclusivity and other new age mumbo jumbo. I remember when PS3 v. Xbox 360 was a legitimate battle between competitors, both having pros and cons but justifying their existence phenomally. Once Kinect came, everything began to slowly go downhill and thus we're here today.
i was massive xbox player, my son uses my account now, i had all xbox consoles and my first online gaming with xbox was halo and gears of war, it was amazing, i then had to chose between ps5 and series x, i really wanted vr and hoped xbox was gonna make one, they really let me down with the xbox one and was seeing ps2 and ps4 were doing great things, so i got my first sony console and man it is the best console for me by far, gamepass was something i never wanted as well, i hate the fact that my games would not be on disc
Xbox has been more focused on social engineering because they hate the demographic they’ve spent hundreds of billions trying to court at this point and want new customers. Not working out super well for them at this point.
The more I think about the PS5 Pro the more I start to think it will be like what the RTX 2000 series was for Nvidia, more like a PoC for their AI model than an actual leap for delivering higher performance. Maybe they saw this as an excuse to test it and not waste a whole generation with a half assed AI solution.
@@Rubik43 @paulcox2447 I'm not exactly talking about raw performance, but their AI upscale model, I remember when DLSS stopped being trained on a game by game basis to a general model and then improved uppon that, that things really got going. Sony has much more material and research to work on top now, but it's very hard to get it right at the first time. If I had to guess it should be on par with XeSS when it launched.
@@donkeyy8331 they are definitely thinking about something like this at least since dlss 2.0 and I hope even before. I'm not an engineer but maybe they could do it game by game just because it's a console and doesn't have thousands of configurations to take into account.
@@Rubik43 They could train this with close partners and their first party studio for sure. Taking into a account that consoles have pre-compiled shaders, it could help a lot to train a AI that gives consistent output with less artifacts and better visuals.
Nothing new here with Microsoft. They always seem to be behind even when they think or should clearly be ahead. Its been this way since XBOX inception. I've said it many times before, Phil Spencer is nice but not the guy though most XBOX gamers believe he is and they support him. The top heads at XBOX needs a complete wipe from Spencer, Aaron Greenberg, Booty, etc. If MS is content with where they currently stand in the market behind Sony, they should absolutely keep this current crew. However, if they want to become the market leader, this crew ain't it, no matter how much Spencer says he is a lover of games. Way too many failures over the years. To be honest, I think deep down MS is content with where they are at 3rd place in this gaming space as well as their devoted base.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
@Crashed131963 If the most is made of each console, you're looking at 1800p vs 2160p at the same framerate or a handful more frames. So, no, not noticeable without people like DF.
Somebody tell Alex that young man to stop using his phone all the time when it's his colleague's time to speak. He appears uninterested and it comes across as rude. Gotta keep this digital foundry machine well oiled
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FSR 3 is launching with indiana jones, adding the new version of FSR 3.1 + frame generation right? Also they are adding Vulkan support. I'm losing interest in consoles either way
@@abdalazeemal-mashaqba6600 It supported on both or it can be applied , FSR 3 it's just a software api not require machine learning until like DSSL or Xess
We have yet to see Sony's solution. Just because Sony came before Microsoft with ML in the console space here doesn't mean they automatically have the better solution. Sony is also having to release bespoke hardware here to support it.
@@luisbr6312 yeah they made themselves the default. Windows, office, teams etc. doesn’t mean they make good products. Just means they got in at the right time and secured the market. They also have the most unreliable products (in fairness this is most likely due to their market share), hence why it’s constantly being patched.
@@paulatreides7854 you can’t be serious, they bought their way into AI and are far from a front runner in regards to AI. And the hololens was another over hyped tech that has failed, laying off the whole team behind it, reporting they never managed to find a market that wanted to use it.
@@paulatreides7854 frontrunner in AI I don’t think so, the purchased the tech and are way behind the front runners. HoloLens, over hyped tech that never really found it’s niche in the market resulting in team needing to be laid off and losses. Quantum computers, it’s now revealed that this tech is likely to not be as amazing as it was initially hyped, and likely to be a followed by a big bubble type crash due to heavy investments and again limited use. Leaders innovate into a market that is ready and waiting, this is not something Microsoft have a track record of.
So let me get this straight. Xbox is gonna bring steam to its console. Xbox is gonna have ai their next console. Yet you guys are speaking about a ps5 pro ??? Uhhh .. wait for xbox to respond
Even though it seems Sony Won, how come it seems like it lost its fan base with the pro because there's not much excitement for the PlayStation 5 Pro. The only people who are excited for the hardcore Sony fans which are only 19% of the PS community, but for the average gamer it's just another machine more expensive.
If you were a hardcore gamer, youd go PC at this point. For long time Playstation players who got a taste of 60fps, even I was thinking when I first played Horizon Forbidden West on PS5 and switched between 30fps mode to 60fps, that man I would really like to have the graphical look of 30, but play at 60. 60fps is much more widespread and known then it was during the PS4 Pro release, as everyone was still playing 30fps and didn't know any better. I think PS5 Pro will be more popular than what the critics think, I'm sure Sony has data on this as well.
its still a rumor no announcement yeah and it will release in the best time GTA6 release you want soupy ps5 version or high res ps5 pro version 10 tflops vs 33 tflops a huge jump
If Sony is creating similar machine learning tech for the PS5 Pro, how long will it take for them to train the system to become useful? It took the better part of three years for Nvidia (a market leading company that specializes in GPU tech) to make DLSS useful, so how much is this going to make a difference for games on the PS5 Pro over the next few years, and how capable will it finally be once it matures? The Nvidia GPU's that have the tensor cores to do machine learning image reconstruction often cost more than an entire console. I feel like this may be one of those marketing gimmicks.
Another thought: Microsoft is not an AI leader in the way people think, and the ways they do have an advantage with AI isn't relavent to the discussion in this video. They own 49% of OpenAI's shares and use ChatGPT's model for CoPilot/BingAI, but those are of course large language models and have nothing to do with machine learning image reconstruction tech.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Sony had years of experience on implementation of AI on the image chips on their flagship TVs long before Nvidia had tensor cores for AI... PSSR is really nothing new.
So basically both Sony and Microsoft including AMD are far behind Nvidia in creativity. It doesn't matter if they were considering it at some point if they weren't going for it. Being the big 3 in this market, they have an enormous chance to risk such things but they won't. So in the end if the console markets are dying. It's on them. Instead of trying to lead in the gaming space, they choose to chase after PC in every single way. To accelerate things further we have two CEOs that basically made consoles to be just a pc like toy this gen. So to me consoles are 100% dying slowly at this point. Shame
@@gothpunkboy89 Tbf back then almost all console exclusive games haven't been on pc like today. We are here today where we can play God of War/Halo on pc. That didn't happen before.
@@mathburn1 And yet I can still play GoW earlier on my PS5. Combine that with a rather entitled PC base that complains about games being released later at full price and will only buy the game after it goes on a steep discount. Not because they can't afford it full price but because they think they are entitled to a lower priced game. I doubt the doom and gloom you are presenting.
@@gothpunkboy89 Did you read the new Playstation CEO interview? Good luck with that pal. I doubt we will get PS exclusive games before pc anymore. Helldiver 2 is a great example. To me the console has lost its charm. Today when they announce a new console. All we do is just "How powerful is it compared to pc?". Unlike the old day brother. It's long gone.
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You know what would be nice? If DF feature special guests like actual developers and people from amd,nvidia,intel,microsoft,sony and so on.
They do infrequently
They do occasionally, I really liked the video with one of the bluepoint devs
i think there analysis is good.. input from other pundits might middle it, imho.. but I could be wrong..
Yeah, they have, on occasion, like when they had people from Intel talking about their upcoming GPUs. I'm guessing that, first of all, you need people from the industry who are willing and able to get involved. Also, budget may be an issue. John did a behind-the-scenes on some game a couple of years ago where he actually went to the devs' studio. It was like a documentary. It was sponsored, though, and he explained afterward that it was rare such opportunities presented themselves and he wouldn't have been able to do it had it not been sponsored.
I do hope in the future that both MS and Sony just let backwards comparability be a default. It's not some paywall service. This may allow cross gen to just mean 'play last gen targeted games on your new machine'. Not some enhanced higher Res/fps game that developers would have to optimise and stretch their resources for. Instead, all the energy goes towards next gen specific titles. Less target platforms, more reason to then own these machines, whilst still being able to play games that developers are releasing on older hardware.
"Shouldn't Xbox/Microsoft have ..."
should be its own series of videos revolving around bad decisions or missed opportunities in Redmond
No1 on that list should be never enter the gaming market to begin with.
They even beat AMD in that regards on consoles or applying it to games, so its pretty wild.
Sony? I'm sure PS upscaling will be the same as FSR3.1
Tho we don't really know yet. Heck we don't even know how the console looks like. So we just need to wait and see how this homegrown AI upscaler performs.@@yarost12
@@yarost12 FSR3.1 isn't AI.
@@MN-jw7mm yes it is. Quick google confirmation AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution 3 (FSR 3) is expected to use AI in 2024, including AI-powered frame generation. FSR 3 is an upscaling technology that uses a combination of machine learning and bilinear upscaling to improve image quality. The new technology is said to incorporate AI-powered frame generation similar to what Nvidia does with DLSS 3.
@@MN-jw7mmcan you explain the difference? Not very up to date on this technology.
Microsoft headquarters must be a place where everyone is working on something different and no one knows what the others are working on in the meantime.
Sony created its own AI for Gran Turismo, “Sophy”.
wouldnt it be polyphony? isnt sony just the publisher
@@tysopiccaso8711 both are right since sony owns polyphony
@@tysopiccaso8711It was actually developed by Sony AI. Polyphony just integrated it into Gran Turismo 7 on PS5.
@@tysopiccaso8711
Sony + Polyphony = Sophy
I remember when the AI in Gran Turismo was to have all the cars going on an invisible rail without ever overtaking each other.
Nah Xbox is too busy losing their identity.
Too busy scoring politically correct points 😂
"Leave Phil alone! He's a nice guy!"
A nice guy is not the same a good guy sadly.@@pixeljauntvr7774
I'd argue they're finally getting an identity. They're the Gamepass company. What were they before? The Halo people?
@@nathandts3401 They were once the dreamcast spiritual successors, waky creative games (og xbox). Then they were the online community console (xbox 360), where arcade games and social online gaming trived (aka CoD secraming kid) and you had an avatar (so some sorth of extra detachment with reality.
Then the og xbox one striked, they turned into the evil corporation that doesn't care about games. Then they turned into the al mighty pixel beast sleek top notch hardware with Netflix for games.
Honesty the current xbox has the least identity of all previous xbox, GP isn't as big of a deal as it was back then (the golden age of GP already was, I was there, and it was in fact not profitable). Kind of stagnated TBH, no innovation in both games nor features, less social elements, bye kinect
Xbox is too busy trying to figure out how to get customers to be okay with not owning anything
And also get used to Microsoft being racist.
Sony isn’t? Lmao
@@flipyapd2321 oh they are for sure just not enough that they were able to beat Microsoft to the ai punch. Nintendo all the way 😁 only company that lets us own stuff, and doesn't require internet to function
@@GhibliNovayou sure about that? There are games on switch you need to download part of it. Not all but there are a few
@@GhibliNova They didn’t beat Microsoft to AI Microsoft chose not to release a Pro console your logic makes no sense
Mark Cerny is a smart guy. PCs were playing catch up with DirectStorage.
It wouldn't surprise me if Cerny was looking at AI before it broke into the mainstream, even if OpenAI were pioneering it.
he is hell of a guy to hire
Indeed I can't wait for his presentation I bet a lot of surprises will be revealed. This guy came up with a god upscaling when it wasn't popular on ps4 pro.
You fell for him with the ps5 now you're doing the same for 10% more ....
@@mikeuk666 how is it only 10%?
@@mikeuk666Someone is a salty bot 🧂🤣
Microsoft continually oversells and underdelivers
At half the console base as their closest competitor, don’t you mean ‘undersells and under delivers’?
@@balaam_7087 I meant oversells in terms of their marketing
@@balaam_7087 over promise* not oversell
@@balaam_7087too true. The Series consoles aren't even doing as well as the Xone.
@@balaam_7087 over promise*
To answer the thumbnail: No. Too busy converting to a Subscription based service.
microsoft is a DaaS (disappointment as a service) company first and foremost.
Or attacking white people.
@@mitchjames9350 what? such a snowflake
Which is better for consumers and saving money
@@flipyapd2321 are you serious???
Microsoft didn't get there because they are busy leaving the console business (or at least it looks that way given their pivot in strategy)
I think if they don't bother ever bringing out any console to compete with the Pro will prove your point, or at least heavily imply that
An handheld Xbox is coming and Next Gen Xbox is in the works.
No one are buying consoles anymore, everyone are building PC's instead so they can play anything on one platform with high performance.
@@Angel-Azraelyup they skipped mid gen console in favor for a new xbox in 2026.
Poor management 😊
No joke is it honestly surprising anymore? Unfortunately it feels like they have 1 foot out of the door already
Xbox and phil just ply it's fanbase with constant lies and broken promises why I left xbox and went to ps and nintendo only xbox fans left are the hardcore brand defenders who will stay till the end
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall Microsoft ever being a hardware or IC producer. Sony absolutely is and have been playing with AI ICs for a while now. Big difference in why one would reach this before the other.
Microsoft Azure actually had some cloud services running microsoft in housed design ARM CPUs and AI accelerators for a cheaper cost. Don't know if they still are running those machines in Azure, but there was a report on The Verge about it last year.
MS developed some custom chips for HoloLens IIRC
Not specific to AI, but sony as a whole does manufacture a lot of IC for their tv's and cameras.
@@ChocoAL14 Sony build the AI chip included on raspberry pis. Infact they manufacture the entire pi. But they do have a very long history making custom ICs
Sony is the world leader is tv upscaling with their XR Cognitive Processor. Year after year they win best tv of the year because of this.
PS as the lead platform for most development is the biggest problem that Microsoft face.
The second biggest is Microsoft themselves putting out hardware containing features/capabilities that go unused even by Microsofts in house teams & Dev kit.
MS needed a halo (please excuse the pun) product showcasing these capabilities and we've heard/seen nothing bar a little VRS demo from the Coalition for a Gen8 game.
Even that ray tracing Minecraft demo DF showed way back had resulted in nothing.
Yes, Halo Infinite should be the showcase title for all the power that Xbox has but even with my low expectation, the games lags way behind most PS5 exclusives.
@@zamiryusof8239 That was tied to the cross gen nature of that Title and indeed to many titles. Current gen machines have amounted to little more than Gen 8 accelerators with a smattering of Ray-Tracing. Don't get me wrong, Halo Infinite is a great looking game, it's just a great looking Gen 8 Halo.
@@richardcrane5189it's not even a great gen 8 stop it lol
Sony has been working with software designed via ai and machine learning on their TV's for several years now.
Unfortunately, XB is a poorly ran brand the last decade with awful leadership. Phill should have been fired years ago.
Phil needs to get his act together.
Dude saved Xbox from death tf you smoking
@@fallingawake5706 stop smoking crack.
@@fallingawake5706 💯
Phil Spencer is the man that saved Xbox and push it to get the most powerful console (X), the cheapest console (S), the best controllers (Classic, Elite Series 2, Adaptive Controller), the best services (Xbox Play Anywhere, Xbox Game Pass, Xbox Design Lab, etc...), the biggest number of studios (33), and very much more game than ever before with all these studios but also many Japanese Games that weren't on Xbox before, like Yakuza, Kingdom Hearts, Monster Hunter, Persona, Dragon Quest, Ace Attorney, Danganronpa, Guilty Gear Strive, Final Fantasy XIV, and soon the Mana franchise.
People don't even measure all what Phil done for Xbox, and the industry
Technically Sony has made it possible to use Machine Learning on PS5, Spider-Man Miles and Spider-Man 2 use ML for realistic muscle deformation and there are a few other games from different devs that use it
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Thank you John for giving the best explanation upsclaing just wasn't ready when these consoles were made next gen of course it'll be a focus but no refresh means it's not possible
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60fps on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
@@randyrrs7028Having it in a current console gives them an edge for next gen as well.
@@ZeitGeist_TV They are probably releasing the PS5 Pro just to beta test the PSSR and then release an improved version like PSSR 2.0 with the PS6, maybe with frame-gen as well
Phil talk too much and every xbox youtuber hyping everthing.
I’ve told people for years that PlayStation was better and that the company that made the systems are are a huge reason for that. It must be humbling for Xbox fans to hear about all of this. Man
So every Xbox Series console has a feature that can never be used lmao
yeah pretty bad
I remember a xbox fanboy bragging about it. Wait till they use it, now they can’t lol. To bad he dissapeared right around Starfield the game of the generation released, or the end of playstation as he called it lol
@@solid_justice5855 Come on, don't throw stones if you're in a glasshouse. How's that SSD in the PS5 going? How about the revolutionary 3D audio? How about 4k at 60fps? lmao.
@fcukugimmeausername SSD good 4k 60fps good playing 120 actually on good games were xbox games they all look like halo 2 😂
@@immortaluzumaki7583 stop smoking crack
john turning into a rugged mountain man with that beard, that guy from GoT vibes
the beard looks good on him
@@ShadyPaperclipstalking about me bro!? Bend the knee
homer simpson lol
He really should find himself better-fitting glasses. They’re always falling off his face. He basically needs to tilt his head, just so that he can line up his glasses to his line of sight and see clearly.
About as rugged as Samwell Tarly if we're being honest.
Game developers cater to the console with the highest sales numbers for a reason .
Sony beat them because Microsoft’s only priority is government contracts
Everyone taking advantage of the audience that the bad Xbox news brings. All news sites, twitter and forums. At this point I see that this is what everyone covering the industry wants, the downfall of Xbox.
It seems like it would be better for almost everyone if Microsoft actually stopped making hardware and focused on its roots, software.
Xbox is mediocre, the last thing I expect from them is that they make progress in something XD
MSFT just didn't have an aggressive strategy.
So once again Sony proves how forward thinking they were compared to Xbox
PS5 is already the world’s most powerful console * and PS5 Pro will make the gap bigger
*judging by the results including Xbox’s own games like Hi-Fi Rush which looks better on PS5
performance differences in current gen consoles has more to do with dev optimizations just because the two systems are so wildly similar. honestly neither system is meaningfully more powerful than the other imo
@@jur_esque When more games favors one platform over the other that proves which one is designed better which makes it “more powerful” as a result
it’s not just “optimization”
@@joemikami I agree but for a different reason. I think series S is the culprit since that is so much harder to develop for and Xbox requires you to develop for both
@@jur_esque Which is another bad decision from Microsoft
@@joemikami yeah, I have extremely mixed feelings on the series S. I like the accessibility but it seems so lame for devs and the progression of tech in consoles
Sony has been researching ML and specifically image (re) construction for aeons. Sony has extensive semiconductor, sensor, and imaging and software experience and expertise; so to paint Sony as being green and the underdog is another DF fail.
Listen, MS is they kinda company that would willingly give up 68 billion dollars instead of earn it.
Abk is worth more now after the aquisition and Microsoft stock went up $1.2T last year. Thats kinda 🤯
@@dusermiginte4647 once all these acquisitions start releasing turd after turd on top of numerous delays and crooked microtransactions we'll see how fast it burns. MS will eventually get desperate to sell it all back by the end of the next generation.
MS is too busy making Xbox into Netflix.
Well....SONY actually has a very capable A.I RnD division. Its still fairly new. Only a few years old. But given their success with Sophy they should be taken seriously.
MS bought into AI /ML but it’s not as if they were ever in the forefront of the development of it.
It’s another one of those things that MS came to the party late to, threw some money around but really didn’t know how to maximize it because they didn’t fully understand it and then just let it die in the vine while others pick up the ball and run.
Phil Spencer has good ideas, but he completely failed at making sure their games are up to par.
We are speculating why a console that isn’t announced yet potentially has a feature another console that isn’t announced yet has?
DF have insider information about the PS5 pro most probably
@@sw1zzy940I’m sure they do have some insider information. But still, this comes off as a reach.
@@ForTheViolencewe're also assuming that the leaked capabilities will be as potent as advertised. And we know good and well that it won't be because the technology is only just not getting "good" on the PC side.
If taking Bravia and Alpha lines into consideration, Sony has a very long history and expertise on machine learning in the imaging area.
"Exclamation point" 💀💀💀💀
Xbox is going to become a games developer instead of a console developer.
Just hope devs utilise FSR3.1 games launching this year onwards more.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60fps on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Microsoft has learned you can't get everything just throwing billions at it.
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Insomniac used machine learning in Spiderman with a software called ZivaRT.
Hey DF is it possible for the machine learning to mimic the cel processing environment of the PS3 on the 5 so we can finally play physical discs again 🥺
Could add another reason for people to upgrade in absence of say, a GPU/CPU boost
With the release of gamepass and the marketing machine fully focussing on that instead the box itself was already a clear start of ms moving away from the hardware side. The gaming on every platform strategy was there way forward.. but it seems they lack the strategy to get it done.. xcloud still in beta
The new Xbox-X will have no disc drive so no worries about playing cheap used games from bargain bins or keeping your old disc game around anymore , you can sell them for cash.
Who's gonna buy them, if the buyer cannot play with them aswell?
You do realize games drop in price on digital - I've bought plenty of AA, AAA titles at bargain prices. I just put them in my Wantlst and wait.
Plz, can you resell me one of those cheap digital purchases that you buy at a bargain price@@techknow9237 ? Whatever of those could be, I don't care the genre or the age /sarcasm
This is the earliest I've been to a DF Clips video
Do you often announce yourself to the world
People underestimate how much Sony IE spends on R&D & Engineering.
Xbox is years behind at this point.
we already reached singularity, where games look like real life, thanks to the matrix demo.
now we have to focus on better games
You know a Microsoft first party studio made that demo. I don't know why this community crowns Sony. They haven't made anything close to it. Hellblade 2 look like it does for a reason.
@@Gen_X_Gamer_79false, Epic Games is not an Xbox First Party studio, in fact Sony owns 5% of them.
If you're talking about The Coalition, they didn't make the demo. They just helped porting the Xbox version as well as providing support
No, thanks to Epic Games’ UE 5.2
@@Gen_X_Gamer_79no. The Coalition helped optimize the demo for the Series consoles because they were running the demo like shit.
@@Gen_X_Gamer_79 he wasn't even talking about Sony or Microsoft
Pro's are just prototypes for next gen.
Launch consoles are beta kits, the pro consoles are the ones to get
It was my understanding that series X and PS5 hardware were very similar and even the Series X was the more powerful device, even if marginally. How is it that PS5 has better capabilities for AI?
You aren’t watching enough of this channel. Microsoft flubbed their design and like for like nearly every game runs worse on the series x than the ps5. Sony’s software and cpu interactions just worked out better.
Yup but they didn't.
Moving on.
They couldn’t because ps5 is the lead platform and holding them back
So is Microsoft not releasing anything to compete with the PS5 Pro? One of the selling points of the Xbox Series X was that it was 'the most powerful console ever made' so I'd expect them to put out something to match the pro.
Playstation has the fanbase to justify a PS5 Pro. They are outselling Xbox 3 to 1.
Microsoft has zero reason to release a more powerful Xbox. According to the FCC leaks they are fully focussed on next-gen and possibly hybrid console.
Xbox series S is Xbox one S base entry console (the equivalent is PS4...)
Xbox one X was the equivalent of the PS4 pro
By deduction, Xbox series S is the equivalent of PS5.... And series X IS the/a Xbox "Pro" version
PS5 is an unique system, the pro version IS a logical move. A model evolution every 4/5 years. WE are far Away from CPU, GPU, smartphones annuals releases (for minors changes)........
The Xbox Pro is the PS5 Pro itself 😏
@@electrikoptik2 to 1
The S-X 300mgz faster cpu and 2 extra teraflops gpu is almost nothing worth mentioning .
Maybe AMD should just partner with Sony to compete with Nvidia in machine learning.
Microsoft completely dropped the ball and they don’t have a pro model for Xbox that’s a huge L
Nobody wants pro models 🤦🏽♂️
@@FlyYouFools88 speak for yourself cause most people do want it and will buy it
@chasethechosenone8478 stop saying most when 60 presents of this generation still play on the last gen consoles
@@kenroyforrester156 and who’s fault is that and where do you get this percentage I think you made that up to be fair
@chasethechosenone8478 if developers stuck to 60fps at the start of development instead of high resolutions with rt you wouldn't be so gullible to think you need a pro model 4yrs in 😂
It is not unfortunate. Let X-Box finally die.
Idk why anyone is surprised that Sony got there first? Sony utilizes AI in multiple sectors & MS hasn’t innovated in software in a long time
Microsoft are the 3rd most influential company when it comes to the top AI Tech Companies in the world. Only Nvidia and IBM are ranked above them. Sony doesn't even make it into the Top 30, BTW.
You are either forgetting about or just don't know about Microsoft's Edge Browser, Bing: Chat, Cortana, Azure, Microsoft Designer, Dynamics 365, Seeing AI, SwiftKey AI and thier recent AI foray that brings together many of thier AI apps under one umbrella: Copilot. Hell, they even intergrated AI into OneDrive, Outlook and Microsoft 365 (office) a while back.
Microsoft is highly advanced in Ai, this is just speculation.
@@mitchjames9350hardware no, you're thinking of generative/language model AI
I think Xbox will focus in making next gen first instead of prolonging this one.
Not really. They really aren't that worried about consoles. Their money making is in software, and they would like to expand that to reach everyones customer base.
focus on making another console that will fail and abandoning the people who already bought theirs
@@Mcnoobletlol that's not it, Microsoft made trillions from windows and office, not Xbox, Xbox has it's own financial department under Microsoft, they've never made money to even effect the trillions they made with widows and office, this isn't about that
@@ShadyPaperclips same happened with xbox original to xbox 360. xbox original started 1 year after ps2, and was killed 1 year before ps3, only a 4 years lifespan. i think they are going to try replicate it. that's why they are not doing a "pro". they want to make the next gen before the release of ps6.
Rumor is that Sony has already locked-in AMD and has been working with them, while MS was still shopping around until late last year, possibly even now still.
Microsoft is pushing Game Pass.
Are they stuck with AMD contractually? First Xbox was made with NVIDIA parts and they should definitely be going back to their origins. Release the console at a loss if you have to and with an exclusive IP that can’t be replicated by Sony. They’re is a unique position if they stick to their guns and don’t follow Sony down the mid gen refresh route, but they have to be radical in their approach.
They probably stick with amd to ensure backwards compatibility
They also know , next console gen will not get PlayStation or Xbox to 4k 60 or even 1440p 60 gaming at high settings , on every game because they need the head to head videos for views and clicks ,but won’t tell you that yet either !!!!!
Xbox is more concerned with D.E.I. hiring instead of the "BEST QUALIFIED GAMING ENTHUSIASTS" to produce the best products and services for customers.
Exactly…100% of their energy is going to DEI guidelines. They could give a shit about competing for the market that exists.
Xbox is too busy to care about Xbox because they’re trying to make games for other consoles now. 😂
Theres no point of pointing out Sony beating MS to frame generation or AI upscaling, when any techniques they come up with now wont impact anything until the next generation. Im still waiting on next gen graphics for this current gen!!! Also AMD added frame generation to MS sdk, so FSR 3.1 should be available to both consoles pretty soon.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
DF knows this but won’t say it …See how giddy they get when “bad” xbox news …I’m a PC gamer but the bias against Xbox is pretty clear to me .
Basically Phil tricked, or bribed DF to help con fans about the power of the Series X and S. Xbox Fans blew $500 waiting for “Tools” that aren’t coming.
The visible depression in their faces is telling.
If the situation was flipped there’s no reason they’d be this way. Had Xbox done this instead of PS they’d be happy smiles and joy in the room.
@brainwashedburgerworshipper Yes. And not thinking. I'm sure, unfortunately.
Given the resources at microsoft, they are an utter shambolic mess, and pretty much always have been. This isn't only evident in xbox, but in all ms products. They have successfully ballsed up the last two generations of consoles.
I hope that on the pro games are engineered for 40 fps, 70fps with upscaler and 120 with frame generation. And finally games will be again developed and optimized for one single configuration. the ff7 rebirth "performance" experience was horror, just a waste of development resources.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
@@randyrrs7028 I totally agree, I hope PSSR is much better than FSR which is already used on PS5, only it is inefficient and uses main GPU cores.
@@Rubik43 They are probably releasing the PS5 Pro just to beta test the PSSR and then release an improved version like PSSR 2.0 with the PS6, maybe with frame-gen as well
@@randyrrs7028 If so, I totally agree with them, not so easy to introduce this kind of features, but we can agree that the main contribution is software, not hardware, and they had 6 years to study xess and dlss.
Can we stop pretending that we care for consoles at this point!?
I think not having machine learning in the base PS5 and Series consoles is just going to make the feature in PS5 Pro less of a worthwhile feature than people expect it to be. It'll be bigger on Switch 2 and PS6 since it'll be there right out of the gate, assuming those devices aren't as big as a water heater.
How wrong are you, the upscaler is that technology that allows you to have an upgrade with minimal development resources, unlike what happened with the PS4 Pro.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Because Sony follows a strict policy of ABAP.
I'm actually depressed for the real Xbox fans who have to watch how their platform does worse and worse when it comes to their IPs and shoving inclusivity and other new age mumbo jumbo. I remember when PS3 v. Xbox 360 was a legitimate battle between competitors, both having pros and cons but justifying their existence phenomally. Once Kinect came, everything began to slowly go downhill and thus we're here today.
i was massive xbox player, my son uses my account now, i had all xbox consoles and my first online gaming with xbox was halo and gears of war, it was amazing, i then had to chose between ps5 and series x, i really wanted vr and hoped xbox was gonna make one, they really let me down with the xbox one and was seeing ps2 and ps4 were doing great things, so i got my first sony console and man it is the best console for me by far, gamepass was something i never wanted as well, i hate the fact that my games would not be on disc
You do know sweet baby Inc isn't just on one platform don't you? 😂
Because they don't think they can just throw money at everything.
Xbox has been more focused on social engineering because they hate the demographic they’ve spent hundreds of billions trying to court at this point and want new customers. Not working out super well for them at this point.
The more I think about the PS5 Pro the more I start to think it will be like what the RTX 2000 series was for Nvidia, more like a PoC for their AI model than an actual leap for delivering higher performance. Maybe they saw this as an excuse to test it and not waste a whole generation with a half assed AI solution.
If it has 300 TOPS 8-bit for ml then it will be above the 3080.
The AI will allow for higher performance without changing the specs of the machine much. It's not doing typical computations "the hard way"
@@Rubik43 @paulcox2447 I'm not exactly talking about raw performance, but their AI upscale model, I remember when DLSS stopped being trained on a game by game basis to a general model and then improved uppon that, that things really got going. Sony has much more material and research to work on top now, but it's very hard to get it right at the first time. If I had to guess it should be on par with XeSS when it launched.
@@donkeyy8331 they are definitely thinking about something like this at least since dlss 2.0 and I hope even before.
I'm not an engineer but maybe they could do it game by game just because it's a console and doesn't have thousands of configurations to take into account.
@@Rubik43 They could train this with close partners and their first party studio for sure. Taking into a account that consoles have pre-compiled shaders, it could help a lot to train a AI that gives consistent output with less artifacts and better visuals.
Nothing new here with Microsoft. They always seem to be behind even when they think or should clearly be ahead. Its been this way since XBOX inception. I've said it many times before, Phil Spencer is nice but not the guy though most XBOX gamers believe he is and they support him. The top heads at XBOX needs a complete wipe from Spencer, Aaron Greenberg, Booty, etc. If MS is content with where they currently stand in the market behind Sony, they should absolutely keep this current crew. However, if they want to become the market leader, this crew ain't it, no matter how much Spencer says he is a lover of games. Way too many failures over the years. To be honest, I think deep down MS is content with where they are at 3rd place in this gaming space as well as their devoted base.
Yet again mis management by Microsoft cronies =philly Spenser
hope they use it for NPC behaviour / interactions too in some capacity.., not just upscaling of resolutions...
That is unlikely before next-gen proper
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Sony should make games with more divercity.
Dave the diver is coming. They also have Cities Skylines. Just play those two back to back and you’ll have divercity covered
@@balaam_7087:D
I am officially done with Xbox it truly is dead
Teraflops advantage
12 vs 10 is that even noticeable?
@@Crashed131963in most cases, nope
@Crashed131963 If the most is made of each console, you're looking at 1800p vs 2160p at the same framerate or a handful more frames. So, no, not noticeable without people like DF.
@Prep84😂😂 🤘😁🤘
Somebody tell Alex that young man to stop using his phone all the time when it's his colleague's time to speak. He appears uninterested and it comes across as rude. Gotta keep this digital foundry machine well oiled
He probably has adhd
That job is too big for phil
Ppl underestimate sony they have always been on the edge of new tech its is the cost worth it
Can you guys please explain to me why a lot of my comments keep getting deleted on your channel, just minutes after I've posted them. None of them are deflamatory, inappropriate or offensive in any shape or form. All are on topic and based on the subject matter at hand, which you have just covered in your video. All also conform to TH-cams community guidelines on commenting. Most of which comments are either my own personal viewpoints on the subject matter you just discussed or a response to another posters comments.
Today I have now had 5 comments deleted from 2 of your videos. Over the past month I must have now had around 25 to 30 comments deleted from various videos on your channels. BTW, it's only on your channels, where I'm experiencing any deleted and vanished posts.
My guess is, either one of your moderators or one of TH-cam's moderators has taken a huge dislike to me, your moderators are too heavy handed, someone is stalking me and inappropriatly flagging any of my comments that they see or your comment section is just completely and utterly borked and broken.
Honestly, even though I love watching you guys and your videos, I have now reached a point of thinking of unsubbing from all of your channels, due entirely to it. What's worse is I suffer from mild form of dyslexia, which makes typing any of these comments a quest and a half.
Either sort it out or I'm out, Guys!!!
BTW, I'm guessing that this comment will also magically vanish within just minutes of posting it, as per usual.
FSR 3 is launching with indiana jones, adding the new version of FSR 3.1 + frame generation right? Also they are adding Vulkan support. I'm losing interest in consoles either way
I think it's for PC release cuz series x and PS5 amd chip don't support fsr 3
@@abdalazeemal-mashaqba6600 It supported on both or it can be applied , FSR 3 it's just a software api not require machine learning until like DSSL or Xess
Robocop uses fsr 3 on console@@abdalazeemal-mashaqba6600
Because of failed leadership, that has been failing for a decade (and getting promoted for it)
We have yet to see Sony's solution. Just because Sony came before Microsoft with ML in the console space here doesn't mean they automatically have the better solution. Sony is also having to release bespoke hardware here to support it.
Not to mention it will likely go completely underutilized if it's not available on the base console.
Not really when was the first time Microsoft got anywhere first.
Microsoft, the most valuable company in the world? They clearly are doing something right.
@@luisbr6312 yeah they made themselves the default. Windows, office, teams etc. doesn’t mean they make good products. Just means they got in at the right time and secured the market. They also have the most unreliable products (in fairness this is most likely due to their market share), hence why it’s constantly being patched.
Frontrunner on AI and first to implement quantum computing models successfully just recently. Also real AR with hololens from the kinect team.
@@paulatreides7854 you can’t be serious, they bought their way into AI and are far from a front runner in regards to AI. And the hololens was another over hyped tech that has failed, laying off the whole team behind it, reporting they never managed to find a market that wanted to use it.
@@paulatreides7854 frontrunner in AI I don’t think so, the purchased the tech and are way behind the front runners. HoloLens, over hyped tech that never really found it’s niche in the market resulting in team needing to be laid off and losses. Quantum computers, it’s now revealed that this tech is likely to not be as amazing as it was initially hyped, and likely to be a followed by a big bubble type crash due to heavy investments and again limited use. Leaders innovate into a market that is ready and waiting, this is not something Microsoft have a track record of.
So let me get this straight. Xbox is gonna bring steam to its console. Xbox is gonna have ai their next console. Yet you guys are speaking about a ps5 pro ??? Uhhh .. wait for xbox to respond
3rd party developers did Xbox users a dis service bc they didn't make use of the full dev kit stating they wanted the same performance on ps5
DF is crazy. And everyone in these comments are praising sony for things that they haven't even done yet
Even though it seems Sony Won, how come it seems like it lost its fan base with the pro because there's not much excitement for the PlayStation 5 Pro. The only people who are excited for the hardcore Sony fans which are only 19% of the PS community, but for the average gamer it's just another machine more expensive.
If you were a hardcore gamer, youd go PC at this point. For long time Playstation players who got a taste of 60fps, even I was thinking when I first played Horizon Forbidden West on PS5 and switched between 30fps mode to 60fps, that man I would really like to have the graphical look of 30, but play at 60. 60fps is much more widespread and known then it was during the PS4 Pro release, as everyone was still playing 30fps and didn't know any better. I think PS5 Pro will be more popular than what the critics think, I'm sure Sony has data on this as well.
Won? Massive loss in psvr2 & billions in shares wiped off..
It hasn’t even been officially announced, casual gamers don’t follow gaming news like that.
its still a rumor no announcement yeah and it will release in the best time GTA6 release you want soupy ps5 version or high res ps5 pro version 10 tflops vs 33 tflops a huge jump
No excitement? It hasn’t been announced. We’re not even supposed to know it exists yet.
Does anyone know what headset Alex is using?
My guess is the Razer BlackShark V2
@@technicallyreal thx
Forza's Drivatars are one of the longest-running applications of machine learning in the videogames industry.
If Sony is creating similar machine learning tech for the PS5 Pro, how long will it take for them to train the system to become useful? It took the better part of three years for Nvidia (a market leading company that specializes in GPU tech) to make DLSS useful, so how much is this going to make a difference for games on the PS5 Pro over the next few years, and how capable will it finally be once it matures?
The Nvidia GPU's that have the tensor cores to do machine learning image reconstruction often cost more than an entire console. I feel like this may be one of those marketing gimmicks.
Another thought: Microsoft is not an AI leader in the way people think, and the ways they do have an advantage with AI isn't relavent to the discussion in this video. They own 49% of OpenAI's shares and use ChatGPT's model for CoPilot/BingAI, but those are of course large language models and have nothing to do with machine learning image reconstruction tech.
The PSSR upscaling tech will be the saving grace because jumping to 4K native is a massive drain on the GPU but if using FSR/PSSR you would upscale to 4K and hit 60 on most games, it’s so smooth you really wouldn’t know it’s not 4K native
Sony had years of experience on implementation of AI on the image chips on their flagship TVs long before Nvidia had tensor cores for AI... PSSR is really nothing new.
So basically both Sony and Microsoft including AMD are far behind Nvidia in creativity. It doesn't matter if they were considering it at some point if they weren't going for it.
Being the big 3 in this market, they have an enormous chance to risk such things but they won't.
So in the end if the console markets are dying. It's on them. Instead of trying to lead in the gaming space, they choose to chase after PC in every single way.
To accelerate things further we have two CEOs that basically made consoles to be just a pc like toy this gen. So to me consoles are 100% dying slowly at this point. Shame
People have been claiming the console maket is dying since the 90's.
@@gothpunkboy89 Tbf back then almost all console exclusive games haven't been on pc like today. We are here today where we can play God of War/Halo on pc. That didn't happen before.
@@mathburn1 And yet I can still play GoW earlier on my PS5. Combine that with a rather entitled PC base that complains about games being released later at full price and will only buy the game after it goes on a steep discount. Not because they can't afford it full price but because they think they are entitled to a lower priced game.
I doubt the doom and gloom you are presenting.
@@gothpunkboy89 Did you read the new Playstation CEO interview? Good luck with that pal. I doubt we will get PS exclusive games before pc anymore. Helldiver 2 is a great example.
To me the console has lost its charm. Today when they announce a new console. All we do is just "How powerful is it compared to pc?". Unlike the old day brother. It's long gone.
@@mathburn1 Helldiver 2 is a live service game that benefits the most from a lot of people playing it. GoW isn't the same beast.