Man if I had the opportunity to buy 712 I would. Rest In Pieces to your 2009 C2's. I really love that MBE926. Other than the 6.7L Cummins which is an amazing motor but the 926LA engine is absolutely an amazing engine too
Crazy there retiring these buses my school still has old Thomas buses from the late 90s running around most buses there are visions and we still have a old 2005 vision bluebird and a couple old international 3800s
I think the more common setup in the C2 nowadays is a 6.7L ISB Cummins. That’s what my route bus has in it. I’ve heard of Detroit offering their DD5 I4 diesel in them too. Though I’ve never seen one in person with the DD5. 6.7L Cummins are the most common.
No way!! That is the bus I had taken several field trips on. I was in second grade at the time.....kind of weird i remember ol 712 but i do! Sad to see her go. Been quite some time since i have seen it.
Not a fan of the C2's. Find that built to cheaply. The Bluebird vision is vastly superior. I go back to the days of Wayne buses which were my favorite. Building a 68 7 window Wayne on a Dodge D400 frame.
Poor bus.. what are your thoughts on a international thomas vista 3600? I rode on many in middle school. They were owned by laidlaw , most were 1996 DT 466 mechanical. 72 passenger. Some were 1994 -95 with T444E. They were odd looking ! I’m on Ottawa ontario. I have a picture of one here in Ottawa. How can I share that ?
I rode on a 96 and 98 in Middle and High School here in FL, both had the 7.3L Powerstroke (aka the T444E) with the Allison AT545 transmissions. They were really neat to ride on since you had great visibility out the front. Got the best of both worlds between a conventional and transit style buses without the worry of bottoming out the front like transits do. Only downside to them were they were loud since most of the engine was inside the bus.
I believe he said EPA grant. Scrap the old ones (cut frame and drill engine block) and get $20,000 grant from the government to get a new one (that meets current emissions standards or an EV) I could be mistaken on the grant money amount, but that’s what I’ve heard.
@@josephbugaj8149 Last I knew, it was bewteen $10-$20k depending on the districts qualifications, per "pre emissions(2010)" bus.. my district doesn't deal with it though, we just trade them back in to the dealer we get out new ones through so other districts can get good quality, used "pre emissions" buses and save money not having to deal with all the emissions related crap
@@danlenox1430 yeah. Bought my 2006 cause I didn’t want to deal with all the mess of DEF and exhaust aftertreatment. Really hampered the reliability of the newer ones now.
@@josephbugaj8149 We've had so many of our newer buses go down for emissions system related failures, it's not even funny.. we've put several of our old,reliable 06-07 Cat C7 buses back on the road and we haven't had a single issue from them
@@danlenox1430 our yard had internationals, mostly 06-07 and a few 10-14 units. Rest were C2s with DEF and aftertreatment. Company punted the Internationals (retired them all from our yard) and got more C2s as replacements. So many have gone down with DEF issues in the past few months alone. The Internationals held up better mechanically, with the VT365 and DT466E engines.
No sense in scrapping a perfectly working bus in place of some junk that won't hold up in a few years. At the current level of technology, electric buses are an absolute joke.
Sometime in 2018 our school got a hydrogen bus that made its rounds around my place. I normally drove places, but from what I heard that thing was CONSISTANTLY in the shop every two weeks, without fail. It ended up getting replaced by an older diesel bus that had a creaking suspension and dying-out brakes but went places reliably.
Not for districts like mine which there isn’t a lot of idle time since there is a bunch of shuttles. The battery would run out before the day is over in my district. The technology needs to evolve first.
Scrapping this bus was a poor choice by your school district. Replacing it with a new C2 that will likely be a piece of garbage. Not a fan. My area still has 2009’s so no reason to be retiring it in the first place the transportation director may need to be fired. (Only because I hate seeing perfectly good buses scrapped for no reason)
Man if I had the opportunity to buy 712 I would. Rest In Pieces to your 2009 C2's. I really love that MBE926. Other than the 6.7L Cummins which is an amazing motor but the 926LA engine is absolutely an amazing engine too
Crazy there retiring these buses my school still has old Thomas buses from the late 90s running around most buses there are visions and we still have a old 2005 vision bluebird and a couple old international 3800s
I think the more common setup in the C2 nowadays is a 6.7L ISB Cummins. That’s what my route bus has in it.
I’ve heard of Detroit offering their DD5 I4 diesel in them too. Though I’ve never seen one in person with the DD5.
6.7L Cummins are the most common.
No way!! That is the bus I had taken several field trips on. I was in second grade at the time.....kind of weird i remember ol 712 but i do! Sad to see her go. Been quite some time since i have seen it.
Nice!! 712 is currently sitting down at the YMCA Kennedy Center and is visible from Route 2. They've already started cutting it up.
@@Project681 I’ll have to look and see next time I’m down that way!
That’s awesome that you remember it :)
I love hear stories of old buses.
My school district have almost all Propane power Blue Bird Vision!!
When I was young back in Montgomery, Al I used to ride older Thomas C2 buses including handicapped ones too.
Our 09 C2s all passed inspection, now their all being re-painted to be driven for another 5 years 👀
That’s the bus that I took my CDL test in.
RIP 712
Not a fan of the C2's. Find that built to cheaply. The Bluebird vision is vastly superior. I go back to the days of Wayne buses which were my favorite. Building a 68 7 window Wayne on a Dodge D400 frame.
Poor bus.. what are your thoughts on a international thomas vista 3600? I rode on many in middle school. They were owned by laidlaw , most were 1996 DT 466 mechanical. 72 passenger. Some were 1994 -95 with T444E. They were odd looking ! I’m on Ottawa ontario. I have a picture of one here in Ottawa. How can I share that ?
I've always thought that Vistas were super neat!! You can send the picture to my email if you'd like. busproject681@gmail.com
I rode on a 96 and 98 in Middle and High School here in FL, both had the 7.3L Powerstroke (aka the T444E) with the Allison AT545 transmissions. They were really neat to ride on since you had great visibility out the front. Got the best of both worlds between a conventional and transit style buses without the worry of bottoming out the front like transits do. Only downside to them were they were loud since most of the engine was inside the bus.
Cost?? Engine HP?
The bus is in great shape why did they remove it
I really hate to see this good bus go and EV's are the absolute joke as my opinion friend 🤦🏿♂️
Project681, is there something wrong with that Thomas c2?
I believe he said EPA grant. Scrap the old ones (cut frame and drill engine block) and get $20,000 grant from the government to get a new one (that meets current emissions standards or an EV) I could be mistaken on the grant money amount, but that’s what I’ve heard.
@@josephbugaj8149 Last I knew, it was bewteen $10-$20k depending on the districts qualifications, per "pre emissions(2010)" bus.. my district doesn't deal with it though, we just trade them back in to the dealer we get out new ones through so other districts can get good quality, used "pre emissions" buses and save money not having to deal with all the emissions related crap
@@danlenox1430 yeah. Bought my 2006 cause I didn’t want to deal with all the mess of DEF and exhaust aftertreatment. Really hampered the reliability of the newer ones now.
@@josephbugaj8149 We've had so many of our newer buses go down for emissions system related failures, it's not even funny.. we've put several of our old,reliable 06-07 Cat C7 buses back on the road and we haven't had a single issue from them
@@danlenox1430 our yard had internationals, mostly 06-07 and a few 10-14 units. Rest were C2s with DEF and aftertreatment. Company punted the Internationals (retired them all from our yard) and got more C2s as replacements. So many have gone down with DEF issues in the past few months alone. The Internationals held up better mechanically, with the VT365 and DT466E engines.
No sense in scrapping a perfectly working bus in place of some junk that won't hold up in a few years. At the current level of technology, electric buses are an absolute joke.
Ikr
Sometime in 2018 our school got a hydrogen bus that made its rounds around my place. I normally drove places, but from what I heard that thing was CONSISTANTLY in the shop every two weeks, without fail. It ended up getting replaced by an older diesel bus that had a creaking suspension and dying-out brakes but went places reliably.
I agree with you. This bus should be sold.
Has a 3000 PTS. 5 or 6 speed?
6 speed
i think bus 712 is a 2008 not a 2009
First view?
EVs are the future of school buses
EVs are the future of school bus fires. And running out of fuel in the middle of a feild trip. Diesel is still better
@@beta_fishh529 facts
Not for districts like mine which there isn’t a lot of idle time since there is a bunch of shuttles. The battery would run out before the day is over in my district. The technology needs to evolve first.
@@beta_fishh529they’re the future of cold starts, batteries not being able to supply enough power due to extreme temperatures.
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Scrapping this bus was a poor choice by your school district. Replacing it with a new C2 that will likely be a piece of garbage. Not a fan. My area still has 2009’s so no reason to be retiring it in the first place the transportation director may need to be fired. (Only because I hate seeing perfectly good buses scrapped for no reason)