Many movies today forget how to use silence. This climactic fight scene has no soundtrack whatsoever until the absolute perfect moment, designed for maximal emotional impact.
It's fun when the typical bad guy and good guy actors flip, too. Harrison Ford in What Lies Beneath is chilling. Tim Roth in Lie to Me is fantastic. I really wish Dwayne Johnson went full villain in Black Adam, though. Sadly he was just himself. Shame, I really think he could be good outside his comfort zone.
Check out The Mark of Zorro with Tryone Power and Basil Rathbone and Rathbone again in The Adventures of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn. These sword fights are far and away the best in movie history. And why not- Rathbone was a champion fencer!
Probably the most underrated villain of all time. When I watched this for the first time I really thought I was going to leave the movie traumatized by a villain who stole a man's loan and blamed the man for it so that he was almost imprisoned unfairly, raped the man's wife, captured the man and almost executed him by hanging, and then killed the man in the worst of all ways...he simply outclassed him in a fair fight. I breathed a sigh of relief when Liam Neeson finally got his revenge because I really thought he was finished. Excellent villainy by Tim Roth.
So glad I don't have to watch this now you have explained it to me. Maybe start a you tube channel where you let everyone know what happens in movies. Hey why not start with the 6th Sense, where at the end we find that the character Bruce Willis played was actually shot and killed at the start and the child was trying to help him and at the end they both realize he was in fact a ghost.
@@atheoshk You write as if you read the comments before watching the video. Well, if you did that, then know that usual order of things is to look at the video first, watch related videos to get a pretty good idea about a movie that catches your interest, and then read the comments. Just in case you're new to the comment section, and/or many videos on TH-cam, there are many spoilers. If that bothers you, then it's best not to look at TH-cam. If you knew all of this, and you wrote your comment anyway, then you were trying to use my comment in an attempt at being humorous or something; and unfortunately, I think you failed.
@@atheoshk God damn youre so pathetic lmao youre upset that someone commented and "spoiled" a movie thats been out forever. Then you go and spoil the 6th sense in the same exact way youre bitching about. What a miserable slug you are🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
SUPERB visual story-telling. This is a excellent example of where you DON'T need musical scoring. It would actually weaken the dramatic tension, the realism. The silence means everything else is ENHANCED. The breathing. The clanging of swords. The flickering of torches. The scuffle of boots and the ruffling of garments. Now this is film-making. They say that "silence is golden". Prime, prime example here.
This fight did perfectly what few other fight scenes have - it showed how quickly you get tired in a real fight. None of this fighting multiple opponents for several minutes without even breathing heavily that's so popular today... it's realistic!
Well, it's true in this case... none of them were military men or trained athletes. Romans, on the other hand, often held advantage over their foes precisely because they trained endurance and they knew how to pace their fighting. Legions were known to be able to fight all day long, whilst gauls, for example, got tired after more or less three hours. They achieved this prowess by marching 30 km a day, carying armor, weapons and gear.
The Romans managed to win most engagements trough discipline and tactic. If they fought an enemy at close combat they would form lines with gabs between them where the men on the front formed a shield wall. At a certain point the soldier in the front would retreat to the back and the soldier behind him took over the position. Once the enemy was tired from attacking the shield wall the Romans would attack and use the opportunity to move forward as a line. You can see this here in the show Rome, as a good example of how they often fought : th-cam.com/video/J7MYlRzLqD0/w-d-xo.html This is one of the reasons why discipline and commands have been so important in the Roman military and breaking up formations, even for a single man, was a big deal.
@@CrniWuk Yes, true, but still ver inaccurate 😁Vanguard and rear wouldn't change every 30 seconds. That's Hollywood nonsense. Battles were long as hell and even though tactics played and important role, the main ingredient of the dish was still endurance.
@@abelnicolaebaritone Of course it's inaccurate. But so far I haven't seen a show that at least tried to show what a proper Roman fighting and formation was. Most of them just display two groups hacking and wacking at each other. What I am trying to say is that the Roman soldier was probably not stronger or had more endurance compared to other fighters. But the Roman army as a whole definetly had more endurance. In fact the Romans often won even against forces which have been, on an individual basis, probably even stronger. But due to their extreme level of discipline and tactical advantage they even managed to beat elite formations like the Hoplites and their phalanx, which have been probably the pinacle of fighting soldiers in that time. I don't want to downlplay the individual strength of the Roman soldier. They did live harsh lives in the military after all. But so did many armies back then.
From a martial arts perspective this is such a great scene. Throughout history, if you were rich and could afford the best training, you'd probably win against even the most seasoned battle hardened peasant. The flip side is that peasant has lived a much harder life and the rich guy was mostly pampered. So the peasant might be willing to endure much more just to survive. Aesop said it best. The fox runs fast because it's hungry but the rabbit runs faster for it's life.
I disagree to a certain degree. Cunningham was winning because he was a skilled duelist using the best dueling sword ever made, the rapier. Rob Roy was skilled in weapons like longswords or claymores, large weapons meant for battlefield use. Cunningham would have useless if he had to face cavalry, spearmen or had to fight in any dense melee but he could dominate anyone in a formal duel. Different skills for different purposes.
@@vincenthammons-kd9du It's also the reach. Speed + reach against an unarmored foe is a strong combo. Like I said, the rapier is the best dueling sword ever made. It would eat the katana boys up.
This is absolutely not true in the context of a fight to the death. In a boxing match, in a sparring bout, if you're fencing to see who can draw first blood or to score touches with an epee then sure the better trained individual has a large advantage, but having the raw nerve to expose yourself to potentially fatal injury, which is a necessity in a fight with lethal weapons, and to kill without hesitation is a skill only a tiny fraction of humans possess unless they gain it through experience. There are countless historical, and modern sources which attest to the immense value of simply being accustomed to violent conflict and possessing a willingness to kill without hesitation. Even in a duel. In fact accounts of skilled duellists being beaten, or both parties ending up dead or seriously injured, simply because their otherwise unskilled opponent was recklessly brave and determined to kill them was a genuine phenomena, and the experts of the day absolutely acknowledged how dangerous such opponents could be. All the more so in a duel like this where even a thrust to the vitals would tie up your weapon, yet not instantly debilitate, and allow a sufficiently determined opponent to respond in kind. Though on the subject of psychology some people do just have an innate willingness to kill and Roth's character is clearly that sort, but the same is true of Rob, even if he only learned through experience, after all he kills a man without any hesitation in one of his first scenes. In fact the film actually foreshadows this result. Twice before Roth's character and he came into conflict, and Archie was either almost killed, or rendered helpless, with no swordplay involved. Also for the record Roth's character isn't using a rapier. His sword is some kind of movie-invention. It has a smallsword style hilt but the blade is not that stiff and has an edge, like some kind of spadroon. Roy is actually way better armed for a duel like this.
@@thehermeticgamer3736 So far I have not seen anyone mention how greatly a smaller man is stunned by the shock of blocking a large man's claymore. I have done it a few times and the first few times you are quick and effective, but after about 10 or 15 very hard blows, which will sever your neck or something else if not blocked, the small man can no longer move his arm and sword very well. If the big man outweighs his opponent by 70 or even 80 pounds, is 6 inches taller and is using a much heavier weapon, those blows have a cumulative effect. I saw a yellow belt in Tai Kwan Doe defeat a professional prize fighter in such a manner. He simply sent in to the lighter man a flurry of blows, 4-6 per second to begin with at the prizefighter's neck which were very fast. After blocking almost 100 of those blows the arms of the fighter were numb and very heavy. Of course the big guy was also having trouble keeping his arms up too. When the judge asked who won the fight the big guy recommended the prizefighter, who surprised shook his head and said, "No, you take this fight" The big guy then offered to buy the prizefighter a pitcher of beer and Barbque dinner and the two staggered off to change clothes.
It came down to the fact that Arrogant Archibald made the fatal mistake deciding that the duel was won before it was over. MacGregor denied Archibald the finishing cut and delivered his own instead.
No it was more than that. Duels are won by those without ego. Oh a showman May dance and toy with his opponent he may peck and pick at him and the longer he does that the more luck factors in. The aim should always be to finish your man within three seconds.
I'm sure Tim Roth is a decent guy in real life, and all, but at this point of the film I was really pleased to see him nearly cut in half. Just sayin'.
+Welsh Guy I will at least give Driver this point, he portrayed Kylo as someone with anger and rage and actually gave a believable portrayal of lashing out when he would start slashing anything near him. While not perfect, it was recreshing after Christiansen's whiny scream-fits.
I once worked with the technician who made the prosthetic worn by Tim Roth at the end of this fight and he told me of how Tim Roth came round to his flat for the final fitting of the jacket with the horrific slash across his chest complete with blood and guts. while wearing the prosthetic there was a caller at the door which Tim Roth insisted on answering still wearing it giving the unexpected visitor quite a shock when the door was answered by a film star apparently suffering from what appeared to be a fatal sword wound. He also created the rotting highland cow which Rob Roy disembowls and hides inside after he escapes the dastardly brits attempting to hang him from a bridge.
“Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.” ― Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
Unbelievable. The music was so immersive that I felt like I witnessed a hero defeating a demon in some epic. It was a astounding duel between two swordsmen with their own blend of characteristics. Cunningham displays a swordsmanship akin to a swift and skilled demon complete with trickery and a sense of foulness and arrogance in the way he fights. But MacGregor is a man who understands the difference between him and the devil. He is patient in search of opportunity and fierce in rightful judgement. He slows down and displays his feint using a illusion of appearing weak and humble. Playing on Cunningham's hubris, he lures him to a false sense of security. Just after Cunningham feels victorious, MacGregor quickens in his grasp for Cunningham's sword and vanquishes his foe with a swift of lightning and a bright roar. The laceration was deeper and true than any Cunningham's cuts. Fantastic movie. 10/10
I don't think there is a market for these any more. They are too hard edged, too brutally realistic about the period .They are not politically correct and actors were chosen not to tick boxes. It is too much like looking into the past. You would need trigger warnings
I just noticed this, but has anyone else realised that Cunningham prolonged the fight because he knew that big claymore would get tiring after a while? He pauses at certain times during the fight which means Rob eventually has to hold it with both hands, which means he's slowly getting more tired. Cunningham's blade is lighter, easier to move so it gives him an advantage.
And perhaps Roy drug the sword to not only take a breath but also fool his opponent into feeling so comfortable to savor the victory before truly winning. Either way it all played out rather naturally
A master swordsman toying with a peasant-but gloating about it too long, giving his opponent a chance to find a last burst of energy which changes everything
Actually a rapier is heavier than a claymore. The issue is balance.The cut that was executed with the claymore is impossible even with the sharpest rapier. The balance of the cutting claymore should have been closer to the edge.
If you want to see some of the best sword fights in history you have to go back much further in time to like the 1930s and 40s. Watch the fight scene in the 1938 movie The Adventures of Robin Hood between Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone. Errol Flynn played in a number of different swashbuckler films as well which are all worth watching. Basil Rathbone also played what I would argue is the best Sherlock Holmes of all time in the 40s.
I thoroughly enjoy this fight. There are no shaky camera movements, no quick cutaways- you are seeing everything. And the absence of backing music was absolutely the right choice. This is in my top tier of close-combat fight scenes, alongside Chingachgook v. Mogwa ['Last of the Mohicans'], Achilles v. Hector ['Troy'], Cpt. Nathan Algren v. Ujio ['The Last Samurai'], Aragorn v. Lurtz ['Fellowship of the Ring'], and Bronn v. Ser Vardis Egan ['Game of Thrones'].
not bad. you should add this th-cam.com/video/4tgxGMj4C3I/w-d-xo.html Tuo Tuo vs Qinglong in 14 Blades BUT i strongly recommend watching the whole movie first
One of ....well..so MANY great scenes! There are so many in the movie that they can't be counted, indeed, nor rated! Even in 2022 this is still a movie that has so many brilliant scenes and a storyline, that I still find it hard to find one nowadays comparable. On top of that, To be able to encompass history, love, action, drama, life, and music...yes...the incomparable Karen Mattheson Capercallie at the fireside scene singing one of the most profound songs in the soundtrack, as they gave, and bring so much more to this film...albiet, her/their own knowledge of Scottish history, inspired so many. Hubby brought me to Eileen donan castle, ie the song 'Aileen duinne/Dark Alan'.. As well as so many other less 'tourist traveler's places in Scotland, there is so MUCH in this film that affects us, truly, one cannot choose a fave 'scene'. I can only hope that if people who love a bit of drama, and music, and history (i've also been to the grave of 'Rob Roy'), and whist no film is 100% historically accurate, at least this one shows the genuine love, lives, experiences, episodes, and people that are known to have really lived this life, (better than braveheart;)...this is an enthralling movie that can endear others into exploring history and what happened during this time. The music is utterly beyond compare, the actors/actresses, are of a calibre beyond what settles for 'acting' nowadays. Call it aged or cheesy, there are some movies that are destined to be classics, and time will prove, this is one of them. Cheers:) XXX
Just watched this on Netflix last night, it had been awhile since I've seen it. Such a good, underrated movie, love Tim Roth, you can really tell he took some fencing training for this film. Not sure why this movie wasn't more popular... Without me going to IMDB... IIRC it came out around the same time as Braveheart, maybe most people thought it was a ripoff of Braveheart but it isn't.
It was also, imo, a much better movie than Braveheart was, and this coming from someone who used to really adore Braveheart when I was much younger. To me Braveheart is a happy meal to Rob Roy's prime rib.
Precisely. It's funny how there is this long list of similar films that come out in the same years, which are then forever compared to each other. Braveheart and Rob Roy were the twins for 1995. Braveheart is by no means a bad film but Rob Roy is, in my estimation, superior on most fronts and was badly neglected in favor of the more popular movie.
I don't understand why we never see this on TV nowadays. But then we never see Laurel and Hardy anymore either, and they made me nearly choke to death from laughing. I could do a much better job than the TV execs today.
This scene is probably the most accurate, realistic and beautifully choreographed sword fight in cinematic history. No silly gimmicks, no divine intervention, no fantastical techniques. This scene isn't pretending to be anything except for what it is; pure martial skill with two very different schools of sword play.
I suggest you watch The Duellists - there's plenty of realism in that film too. Not to mention it was Ridley Scott's debut film which got him noticed for the Alien job.
yeah that's the legend in the making there. Everybody knows you can't hate on Roth for A) this villain, and B) that dedication. He gets a pass on everything just for this movie.
That chop was savage. Cleaved through his shoulder, collar bone, and half of his ribs. Needless to say that lung and probably his heart got cut clean through.
@@Axel5550 Claymore originally meant a different type of sword but that had fallen out of use long before this time, and that style of sword is often called a claymore today (for instance, when issued to officers in highland regiments).
@@brucetucker4847 Claymore from Gaelic claideamh mor meaning great (or simply big) sword. The English word "cleave" comes from the same root. Hence the cleverness of the dialogue when Archibald says, mockingly of the claymore "If I had to kill an ox, your Grace, a cleaver would be my first choice". In the middle ages the Irish and Scottish gallowglass mercenaries used a two-handed version with blades as long as 50 inches. An undeflected downward slash, between neck and shoulder, from one of those things ...... !!!
Undoubtedly one of the BEST sword fight scenes of all time!! Brilliantly choreographed!! The sombre, dark, backdrop focussing all attention on only the two combatants. Roth's incredible, lightning quick, reactìons, sword skills, and changes to different points and directions of attack are astounding!! Beautifully contrasted with Neeson's predictable and traditional common fighting style. But where he outshines Roth, is in "thinking outside of the box" - using his wits to capitalise upon a moment of unorthodox opportunity - to almost turn Roth into a "butterfly fillet"!!
And yet in real life Liam Neesom thinks we peasants should not be armed. Liam is just one more pos Hollywood elitist who looks down upon we “little people” who put our hard earned money into his pocket for what…playing pretend and dress up.
+Brant David dose Ray park (darth maul) also play toad from the x-men movie? I then went to check because in a blooper he takes a lead pipe and spins it like darth maul & also he is.
You can see Rob knows he is out classed and just waits for each attack as a way to survive.But being bigger and heavier and slower , exhaustion finally takes over. Archies arrogance knowing he can kill him at will leads him to play with him like a cat with a mouse.But it was his down fall. Amazing acting by both.
This is one of the best examples of revenge, good overcoming evil, that underdogs can win to, and Justice prevails. Even though outclassed, out matched, Rob Roy Prevails.
Technically he already had the money. Excuse the spoilers but the plot issue was Montrose loaned money to Rob Roy, sent a man to steal it back, and required him to pay it back anyway.
@@joshuavd5194 He (Montrose) saw that Archie had paid his tailor debt and got some new clothes. He knew Rob Roy was telling the truth but didn’t care. Montrose did not get the money directly but he knew it was in his house.
Duncan McMillan Then his daughter was Taken, and he kicked people. Then she was Taken again, and he kicked more people. Then nobody was Taken, but something else happened, and he kicked more people.
I have not watched this scene in a long time. TREMENDOUS! The choreography, the expressions, the way nasty Tim Roth taunts with his snotty looks, supposed superiority, and the blade in Liam's face. Everything about this is masterful. Great great scene.
Excellent stage combat. Archibald is twirling his blade around like it's a wand, and Roy is hacking like he's chopping wood. It's nice to see an attempt to show radically different techniques and weapons in a mock duel.
Hobbs was the best fight choreographer of our time. The Three Musketeers is another brilliant example, The Duelist another. None better. And None can hold a candle to his work in our modern age.
Thank you for including opening scene dialogue not included in other postings of this powerful scene. Only thing missing is the ending dialogue. "You're Grace should live so long..." Thanks again.
Archibald is obviously the better swordsman but he was enjoying toying with Rob too much by wanting to inflict as much pain as possible instead of just going for a quick kill. His arrogance was his undoing. Fantastic sequence of how tiring a real swordfight is right up there with 'The Duelists'. It seems fencing and sword instructors rave about how accurate both films are.
I don't think that was the case, you can see a couple of scenes where Archibald is catching breath and looking at Rob with a face like "how is this mf still up?". More than toying with him I think that Rob Roy was defending himself well enough that he couldn't land a quick killing blow, so he took him by fatigue.
I know, right? His physical acting in this scene alone is phenomenal. Before the duel, his mannerisms and body language are foppish and effeminate. But when he takes the wig off and grabs his sword, his stance completely changes. His arms drop and tense, his shoulders go back, his head stops bobbing, his leg stance widens and stiffens--he goes from fop to killer. Such a good portrayal of the character of Archy.
I love this fight and the movie in general, but to all you claiming, that this shows Rob Roy as a great fighter, it obviously doesn't. He's utter shit. No footwork, not using his basket-hilted sword properly, not using his advantage in range, overswinging and telegraphing every cut he makes. Rob Roy is just awful and Cunningham is toying with him. Does that ruin the fight? No it doesn't. Rob Roy is the perfect underdog, not some unrealistic hero who wins through superior skill. He wins because of the arrogance of his superior opponent and his own determination.
Finkeren, Rob Roy is at a disadvantage coming into this fight. He's already been *compromised from what he's endured prior to their duel. And Cunningham's skill/ ego is no match for Rob's fierce determination. Just a movie, some might say.... In any case, great sword fight. Love this movie!
All true, but the basket hilt sword is at an disadvantage vs the much lighter and faster sword off his opponent, which is actually a dueling sword, while roy's sword is ment for war. Big diference, in a duel it's only you and your opponent, and you can dance around each other. In a battle you are fighting in ranks, and you can pretty much only move in one direction, straight ahead. So in that scenario the basket hilt sword with a shield or buckler. Can do more dmg, it can withstand more dmg and your entire hand is covered.
You have to understand the nature of a movie fight....it's NOT about the actual fight or the skills of the combatants....it's about using the fight to help tell the story. Rob Roy getting exhausted by how he flails about vs Cunningham's controlled and not-winded performance? All about setting up the ending. It's storytelling, not real combat.
Also the director's choice not to enhance the fight scene with background music. Just the genuine sound of the blades swishing in the air the boots on the cold stone floor, the rasping breaths, the clang of steel and the and Archie's gurgling death rattle. Plop, Finito! Home for din din. See ya.
well there was some great mistakes. That stupid boy for example who slept over the attack at the house, then he killed valuable witness, then shot at solders wich led to Rob Roy's men been killed with him self and capturing of Rob Roy... Yeah that wasn't so great.
1:40 “I will pay his bill.” I feel like this somehow wounds Montrose like nothing else: the fact that Argyle sides with McGregor and would be willing to cover his debt.
I don't hear it as wounded, it's either amazement, grudging respect, or a more than he could have hoped for kind of moment. Maybe all three. He doesn't like Argyle, sticking him with the bill would be satisfying
Except Rob is obviously a shitty fighter. No footwork at all, he just walks around, like he's taking a stroll. He keeps his sword hand back all the time and allows his much smaller opponent to come within distance all the time, the whole idea about the basket-hilted broadsword is, that it allows you to have the sword in front of you at all times. Rob overswings and telegraphs his moves to an extreme degree. He never once tries to thrust. You could write all of this up to stage choreography, were it not for the fact, that Cunningham doesn't make these mistakes (except for not thrusting). Conclusion: The movie wants to show, that Rob is vastly inferior to Cunningham.
Finkeren i don't think you understand the story, Liam is a soldier trained to attack along with anger and rage, the other is convinced that it's just a game...until he grabbed the blade and realized he fucked up lol.
Just realized that this was a setup. He acted like he was through before he was so that he could get closer and use his strength. The skill of the opponent was too good to keep fighting using speed. You can see a change at about 6:20 or so.
I think it's even earlier than that, more like 5:50, he realizes he can't win, and there's a moment when he pauses, and then he drops the point of the sword to the floor and does this whole shambling drag towards Cunningham, playing up the "beaten man".
I seem to recall another moment earlier on, Roy pulled the same 'grab the blade' stunt. So I always saw this bit as a callback of sorts. Roy's never been afraid of the small cuts, even though they must hurt like hell. Rather like, 'if he never gets a glove on the little guy, he'll lose to speed and agility. Maybe so, but if the big ox gets in one solid shot, it's over.'
@Home Kitchen I highly doubt it. If his oponent had decided to cut his throat immediately, his plan would have proven stupid. You NEVER bet your victory over the fact the ennemy will buy your lie. You try to defeat him with all you got, and only if it's clear he's better, then you use the other approach. Roy chose the basket-hilt sword simply because it's the weapon he's by far most familiar with. You don't improvise with a weapon you don't know well in a duel to the death, even if it's more effective in general. This schiavonna is still a pretty decent weapon for duel and is not heavy at all. He knew it would cut through him, but if he had chosen a spadroon, he could have thrust to his chest or throat with the exact same ease.
@@dhaucoin Actually, grabbing an unmoving blade do not cut your hand as long as you're holding it firmly enough. Putting it so close to Roy was actually a terrible choice, and one he should have foreseen.
@Benjamin Thibieroz The 'small cuts' comment was referring to Cunningham's cutting Roy in small ways, painful ways. I did learn that grabbing the blade is possible, and it's possible to not suffer too badly. Damned if I'll try it, though, ha ha! I wrote the subject shift badly, and I apologize.
I remember watching this for the first time and I was shocked at how Rob grabbed the blade at the end. He's outmatched throughout the duel, yet... there it is. Such a moment of genius. :D
Genius for choreography, yet beautifully practical. Grabbing the sword looks amazing to us. It’s very much against the dueling code, but perfectly in character for Rob, who isn’t a fancy gentleman but a fighter. He has nothing to lose here; in a real duel, he’s a dead man, and grabbing the sword was his only hope. The fight choreographer worked that into the sequence to bring the fight to a dramatic and satisfying end.
@@shaunsteele8244 Depends on the strength of the grip, and the type of the blade. Wider blades have a larger surface area (providing more friction for the grip), and Rob is without doubt much stronger than his opponent. Once in sword school I grabbed a (non-sharp) longsword blade with a leather glove in my hand. The grip held so fast that it didn't slip at all, I didn't even need to squeeze much, and the other guy couldn't pull his sword out -- although retaining my grip almost caused me to topple when he pulled. Now, grabbing a sharp sword with a bare hand... your hand might be sweaty, the blade might be slippery with blood... technically possible, but it would require enormous strength from the hand, and willingness to suffer deep cuts. But if you'd have no other choice, you'd probably try.
@@shaunsteele8244 i am sure if Archibald had stepped back instead of pushing forward to skewer McGregor there is no way MCG could have held onto the blade
One of my favorite swordfight scenes. Up there with Crouching Tiger/ Hidden Dragon. The footwork and agility of the smaller man puts him in control of the bigger, stronger man. Still, glad to see the good guy win out in the end.
@@Beemer917 I think what he means is it was symbolic of the fact he wasn't playing around anymore. He was ruthless before but now the kidgloves have officially come off.
“Those skilled at making the enemy move do so by creating a situation to which he must conform; they entice him with something he is certain to take, and with lures of ostensible profit they await him in strength.” -Sun Tzu
Great film, capped by an awesome sword fight. Tim Roth is a brilliant actor. Perfect here as the villain. For all the heroic portrayals Liam Neeson has had, this one might just be his best. Excellent finish.
This climactic scene in Rob Roy is one of the best portrayls and build up to the thrills of "snatching (unexpected) victory from the jaws of (certain) defeat", one of life's greatest experiences. There wasn't a scene or line in the movie that didn't pack the drama for this GRRREEAATT duel to the death where right made might, for once, and everybody gets hope for their lives' epic mortal duals, metaphorically-speaking, too.
I saw this fight as a kid and now do I appreciate the artistic value it really has. McGregor is simply outclassed in nearly every way from speed to swordsmanship. Nearly everything points to archie winning this fight besides his arrogance which is displayed throughout the movie. As a viewer it's so cool to see a director master such a display of dominance. McGregor wins because his strength of character, seazing opportunity. Archibald having being bested by this opportunisticness before early in the film. Him Losing is cause his one character flaw of not seizing the opportunity in time while McGregor not only realizes it but capitalizes on it, the opportunity. One of the best fight in cinematography by far well done!
If anyone knows anything about directing and stuff, could you explain something to me? I've never see this film and I skipped to about 3:00 when I booted up the video, so I skipped all the preliminary dialogue, but about 30 seconds into the fight I already knew who was the villain and who was the person I was supposed to want to win. How do they convey that non-verbally?
TheThingsThat IDo Comic books employ a similar technique, according to artists. I read that comics artists watch films without sound to hone this technique. I think it has a lot to do with framing and character actions/behaviour on screen. Shakespeare used to give more time to sympathetic characters and limit time for those the audience was meant to care less about. It's almost even in this scene to emphasize that it's a duel but, I think Rob just edges Archie (the villian) in close ups/overall screen time. Yeshu makes a good point about Archie's arrogant demeanour too.
TheThingsThat IDo One reason, apart from their facial expressions (Rob Roy looks more angry, his opponent more self-satisfied) is that the villainous party is nearly always the one to make the first move in a combat situation. This is because it instantly paints that character as aggressive.
Mary: "Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father." Rob Roy: "Och, Mary!" Mary: "I could not kill it, husband." Rob Roy: "It's not the child that needs killing." The greatest lines in the whole movie, in my opinion.
Off course it's greatest lines for you insecure pricks....If it said by the wife's lover and the last line implied on her husband I wonder if you've said it then
@@afridibinsayed9864 Your comment made no sense whatsoever. If you cannot construct a simple sentence that people can understand, you probably shouldn't post replies on a public platform like TH-cam. Idiot.
Except the opposite result. Not the honour issue but here the guy with the heavy sword ended up winning. In GOT the guy with the light gear who was faster won.
The villain keeps raising his sword and pointing it at Rob Roy, is that to provoke Rob Roy, tire him out as the villains sword looks lighter and the villain looks as if he has much better stamina.
Roy wasn't as tired as he was showing. He simply didn't want to get to badly wounded before he pulled his final trick. Any of those slices Cunningham gave him could've been on his sword arm and that could ruin his ability to fight back. So he took a few and then played like he was exhausted. Pointing the sword was mainly arrogance. Normally you want to coach your sword back so your adversary isn't fully aware of your overall reach. Cunningham didn't care. It's also easier to defend with your sword back than fully extended. Cunningham was showing he wasn't afraid of anything Roy could do.
And earlier in the film, he was dragged behind a horse and beaten half to death before they got to the bridge,so Rob wouldn't have been at his best. He probably had broken ribs and it looked like his jaw could have been broken. Archie followed Montrose's instruction for broken but not dead.
I would imagine this how a real duel would be, very calculated and taken in bursts. When you clash you're wagering your life so you want to connect swords when it's appropriate. I do like the surprise at the end of the duel, Cunningham was too cocky and the cost was his life. You don't make a desperate and angry man lick your boots.
+RogueShadows 4 seconds is quite an exaggeration - true they wouldn't have lasted as long as duels in film/tv have led us to believe but 4 seconds is still a large exaggeration, especially if both duelists were equally skilled - if both were equally skilled then they probably would have lasted longer but as stated above blade contact would by no means have been constant but in bursts, as is still the case in modern 'sport' fencing (as a modern fencer myself I can vouch for this)
Josh Hardy I think this duel was pretty accurate considering the characters. Cunningham was a sadist, heavily the favorite and he wanted to savor his expected victory and killing him.
Within the context of stage combat, this was excellent...the fight serves to tell the story and set up the climax. In real life it may not have gone that long, at least with the actual fighting (the maneuvering around and positioning to attack, THAT would seem realistic in a duel like this), although props for hits being landed BEFORE final one. The most realistic part for me was MacGregor getting tired during the fight -- a claymore ain't light -- both from the exertion and the effects of his wounds. The first fight from "The Duellists" is probably the most realistic sword fight on film, but this is a close 2nd.
The practical effect of that gaping sword wound is fantastic. I was always impressed how you can see Archibald's split ribs and collar bone wiggle as he stumbles around.
Sorta. Of course we knew that RR would (somehow) win but there was a method to Cunningham's arrogance. He was not only demonstrating his superior swordsmanship but sapping his foe's endurance vis-a-vis the slashing wounds. Worked too, were it not for his arrogance simply getting the better of him at the end . . . Cheers!
@@HereticDuo That's actually not true. Check out skallagrim's video on halfswording. As long as your hand doesn't slide, the blade won't cut you. So with a tight enough grip, it should be okay. It's just something people aren't too willing to test.
@@bigheadrhino half swording is a little bit different. with that technique, you hold your own blade, and the blade 'tries to move' perpendicular to your hand, not parallel. in this case, the blade would move parallel, resulting in a draw cut. also, once the blade cuts the hand, the blood will act as lubricant and the sword would move even easier.
Thank you for that description yeahchris. Rob Roy was a peaceful man who kept to himself but when you screw with a man's family expect for him to come after you with a vengeance.
I remember reading about a US marine in battle finding himself bare-handed in close quarters at the moment a Japanese officer charged him sword uplifted. He grabbed the blade away & killed his antagonist with the sword. But between the injuries to both hands he lost 5 fingers to do it.
Yeah you'd definitely lose a lot of your hand doing that. I'm not even sure I believe that story, since you'd have to take the sword away from someone, and then use it effectively, having lost at least the use of one hand. I don't even know how you'd keep the grip on the sword, since pulling back creates a natural slicing action (especially with a curved sword), lubricated by fresh blood that's still wet because it hasn't coagulated and become sticky. But it's a good story whether it happened or not.
it may be siily to take note of this, but this fight was serious enough that Archibald thought about it a moment and then took off his wig. He didn't do that with Guthrie. But here, whether he meant to draw out the fight with Roy or not, he wanted to be that unimpeded. A 'just in case' tiny little bit of awareness that shows he knew Roy was not your average Scot. He gave him that much at least.
Rob Roy was one of the VHS tapes I had as a kid. Such a great film. I used to enjoy it back then just for the battles and fights like this but now I know what’s happening and can actually follow the story more accurately it’s even better. Rob Roy and Cunningham played by 2 exceptional actors too
Many movies today forget how to use silence. This climactic fight scene has no soundtrack whatsoever until the absolute perfect moment, designed for maximal emotional impact.
And now they don’t allow a second of silence. Why do we need dramaturgy? Let's insert another Deadpool joke here
I don't think there is any role that Tim Roth cannot master. One of history's most underrated actors, ever.
Like john hurt tim roth gets done in in a lot off his films
Tim Roth is underrated actor in Imbecileville and surrounding areas only
I hated Archie so much, it’s hard for me to not look at Tim Roth and not want to see him split lengthwise. 😜
@@danender5555 wanted to jump through the television and tear tim Roth apart 😀
It's fun when the typical bad guy and good guy actors flip, too. Harrison Ford in What Lies Beneath is chilling. Tim Roth in Lie to Me is fantastic.
I really wish Dwayne Johnson went full villain in Black Adam, though. Sadly he was just himself. Shame, I really think he could be good outside his comfort zone.
One of my favorite scenes in all movie history.
Perfect.
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Check out The Mark of Zorro with Tryone Power and Basil Rathbone and Rathbone again in The Adventures of Robin Hood with Errol Flynn. These sword fights are far and away the best in movie history. And why not- Rathbone was a champion fencer!
Man, Tim Roth did an amazing job as a villain. Even when he’s just standing there and smirking you have this disdain for his character.
He did. Up there in my top twenty villains, for sure. Eminently detestable.
Very much agree, he was so sleazy
No joke.... what a despicable man.
"he speaks! Never underestimate the healing power of hatred"
@@brucear "Bring.....him on......"
Probably the most underrated villain of all time. When I watched this for the first time I really thought I was going to leave the movie traumatized by a villain who stole a man's loan and blamed the man for it so that he was almost imprisoned unfairly, raped the man's wife, captured the man and almost executed him by hanging, and then killed the man in the worst of all ways...he simply outclassed him in a fair fight. I breathed a sigh of relief when Liam Neeson finally got his revenge because I really thought he was finished. Excellent villainy by Tim Roth.
So glad I don't have to watch this now you have explained it to me. Maybe start a you tube channel where you let everyone know what happens in movies. Hey why not start with the 6th Sense, where at the end we find that the character Bruce Willis played was actually shot and killed at the start and the child was trying to help him and at the end they both realize he was in fact a ghost.
@@atheoshk You write as if you read the comments before watching the video. Well, if you did that, then know that usual order of things is to look at the video first, watch related videos to get a pretty good idea about a movie that catches your interest, and then read the comments. Just in case you're new to the comment section, and/or many videos on TH-cam, there are many spoilers. If that bothers you, then it's best not to look at TH-cam. If you knew all of this, and you wrote your comment anyway, then you were trying to use my comment in an attempt at being humorous or something; and unfortunately, I think you failed.
Think of Trump and the so called Republicans,,,child molesters and deviants all of them
Unfortunately, in the real world it often doesn't turn out so well.
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SUPERB visual story-telling. This is a excellent example of where you DON'T need musical scoring. It would actually weaken the dramatic tension, the realism. The silence means everything else is ENHANCED. The breathing. The clanging of swords. The flickering of torches. The scuffle of boots and the ruffling of garments. Now this is film-making. They say that "silence is golden". Prime, prime example here.
0:40
Argyll: "I think these men hate the other"
Montrose: "Aye......they're none too fond"
What a brilliant delivery of a line. RIP John Hurt
Who has hurt john?
@@ahabduennschitz7670 He died, didn't even know he was sick. What an actor
@@jakeroberts7435 but who hurt him?
@@ahabduennschitz7670 The alien and when he fell chasing orcs.
John Hurt was great in this film, & pretty much every other film I've seen him in.
This fight did perfectly what few other fight scenes have - it showed how quickly you get tired in a real fight. None of this fighting multiple opponents for several minutes without even breathing heavily that's so popular today... it's realistic!
Well, it's true in this case... none of them were military men or trained athletes. Romans, on the other hand, often held advantage over their foes precisely because they trained endurance and they knew how to pace their fighting. Legions were known to be able to fight all day long, whilst gauls, for example, got tired after more or less three hours. They achieved this prowess by marching 30 km a day, carying armor, weapons and gear.
The Romans managed to win most engagements trough discipline and tactic. If they fought an enemy at close combat they would form lines with gabs between them where the men on the front formed a shield wall. At a certain point the soldier in the front would retreat to the back and the soldier behind him took over the position. Once the enemy was tired from attacking the shield wall the Romans would attack and use the opportunity to move forward as a line. You can see this here in the show Rome, as a good example of how they often fought : th-cam.com/video/J7MYlRzLqD0/w-d-xo.html
This is one of the reasons why discipline and commands have been so important in the Roman military and breaking up formations, even for a single man, was a big deal.
@@CrniWuk Yes, true, but still ver inaccurate 😁Vanguard and rear wouldn't change every 30 seconds. That's Hollywood nonsense. Battles were long as hell and even though tactics played and important role, the main ingredient of the dish was still endurance.
@@abelnicolaebaritone Of course it's inaccurate. But so far I haven't seen a show that at least tried to show what a proper Roman fighting and formation was. Most of them just display two groups hacking and wacking at each other.
What I am trying to say is that the Roman soldier was probably not stronger or had more endurance compared to other fighters. But the Roman army as a whole definetly had more endurance. In fact the Romans often won even against forces which have been, on an individual basis, probably even stronger. But due to their extreme level of discipline and tactical advantage they even managed to beat elite formations like the Hoplites and their phalanx, which have been probably the pinacle of fighting soldiers in that time. I don't want to downlplay the individual strength of the Roman soldier. They did live harsh lives in the military after all. But so did many armies back then.
@@CrniWuk ma u pravu si pusti budale šta pričaju...
That's a whole lot of anger and vengeance released in that final blow.
What made Roth the perfect villain is that he played up to class resentment.
Did the fop thing to perfection.
From a martial arts perspective this is such a great scene. Throughout history, if you were rich and could afford the best training, you'd probably win against even the most seasoned battle hardened peasant. The flip side is that peasant has lived a much harder life and the rich guy was mostly pampered. So the peasant might be willing to endure much more just to survive. Aesop said it best. The fox runs fast because it's hungry but the rabbit runs faster for it's life.
I disagree to a certain degree. Cunningham was winning because he was a skilled duelist using the best dueling sword ever made, the rapier. Rob Roy was skilled in weapons like longswords or claymores, large weapons meant for battlefield use. Cunningham would have useless if he had to face cavalry, spearmen or had to fight in any dense melee but he could dominate anyone in a formal duel. Different skills for different purposes.
@@Elthenar yeah the speed of the rapier is why he dominated the fight.
@@vincenthammons-kd9du It's also the reach. Speed + reach against an unarmored foe is a strong combo. Like I said, the rapier is the best dueling sword ever made. It would eat the katana boys up.
This is absolutely not true in the context of a fight to the death. In a boxing match, in a sparring bout, if you're fencing to see who can draw first blood or to score touches with an epee then sure the better trained individual has a large advantage, but having the raw nerve to expose yourself to potentially fatal injury, which is a necessity in a fight with lethal weapons, and to kill without hesitation is a skill only a tiny fraction of humans possess unless they gain it through experience. There are countless historical, and modern sources which attest to the immense value of simply being accustomed to violent conflict and possessing a willingness to kill without hesitation. Even in a duel. In fact accounts of skilled duellists being beaten, or both parties ending up dead or seriously injured, simply because their otherwise unskilled opponent was recklessly brave and determined to kill them was a genuine phenomena, and the experts of the day absolutely acknowledged how dangerous such opponents could be. All the more so in a duel like this where even a thrust to the vitals would tie up your weapon, yet not instantly debilitate, and allow a sufficiently determined opponent to respond in kind. Though on the subject of psychology some people do just have an innate willingness to kill and Roth's character is clearly that sort, but the same is true of Rob, even if he only learned through experience, after all he kills a man without any hesitation in one of his first scenes. In fact the film actually foreshadows this result. Twice before Roth's character and he came into conflict, and Archie was either almost killed, or rendered helpless, with no swordplay involved.
Also for the record Roth's character isn't using a rapier. His sword is some kind of movie-invention. It has a smallsword style hilt but the blade is not that stiff and has an edge, like some kind of spadroon. Roy is actually way better armed for a duel like this.
@@thehermeticgamer3736 So far I have not seen anyone mention how greatly a smaller man is stunned by the shock of blocking a large man's claymore. I have done it a few times and the first few times you are quick and effective, but after about 10 or 15 very hard blows, which will sever your neck or something else if not blocked, the small man can no longer move his arm and sword very well. If the big man outweighs his opponent by 70 or even 80 pounds, is 6 inches taller and is using a much heavier weapon, those blows have a cumulative effect. I saw a yellow belt in Tai Kwan Doe defeat a professional prize fighter in such a manner. He simply sent in to the lighter man a flurry of blows, 4-6 per second to begin with at the prizefighter's neck which were very fast. After blocking almost 100 of those blows the arms of the fighter were numb and very heavy. Of course the big guy was also having trouble keeping his arms up too. When the judge asked who won the fight the big guy recommended the prizefighter, who surprised shook his head and said, "No, you take this fight" The big guy then offered to buy the prizefighter a pitcher of beer and Barbque dinner and the two staggered off to change clothes.
I love that Rob Roy was completely outclassed in this fight but it just came down to fact that he hated Archibald more.
He was also wounded
It came down to the fact that Arrogant Archibald made the fatal mistake deciding that the duel was won before it was over. MacGregor denied Archibald the finishing cut and delivered his own instead.
No it was more than that. Duels are won by those without ego. Oh a showman May dance and toy with his opponent he may peck and pick at him and the longer he does that the more luck factors in. The aim should always be to finish your man within three seconds.
Then again, MacGregor could be play-acting from 6:12, looking for a chance to grab the narrow blade of Archibald's rapier.
No luck. Archibald could have killed him had he not chosen to showboat
I'm sure Tim Roth is a decent guy in real life, and all, but at this point of the film I was really pleased to see him nearly cut in half. Just sayin'.
+Welsh Guy I will at least give Driver this point, he portrayed Kylo as someone with anger and rage and actually gave a believable portrayal of lashing out when he would start slashing anything near him. While not perfect, it was recreshing after Christiansen's whiny scream-fits.
Kylo Ren and Anakin Skywalker were both whinier than a fucking hobbit.
Check him playing John Christie. This guy Roth is a talent.
I'm sure there's a great actor somewhere who said "if the audience doesn't hate you, you're doing something wrong".
That placement was perfect it would have atleast partially bisected the lung and striking the heart
"If you're going to shoot, SHOOT! Don't talk..." - Tuco
Yes the wisdom of Tuco. Angel eyes never trusted him, but had great affection for him.
Indeed.
Tuco has an acute sense of justice
great truth, lol
Yeeeesssss
No music makes you focus on just how good this fight is.
Tim Roth and Liam Neeson: two brilliant actors and two of my all time favourites. Knew them in this great movie. Epic sword fight.
I say the same, also a great sound, and haughtiness comes before the event, mr. Archiebald
British Actors tend to be the best, this pair worked so well together.
@@georgebarnes8163 Neeson isn't British.
@@Camcolito Of course he is otherwise he could not have been awarded an OBE, born in the UK to British parents, how is he not British?
I love them both and saw the movie for that reason. Plus Jessica Lange and John Hurt. That much talent it just can't suck.
Brilliant swordsmanship as well as acting between Roth and Neeson in this scene. A masterpiece of film!!🏴
I once worked with the technician who made the prosthetic worn by Tim Roth at the end of this fight and he told me of how Tim Roth came round to his flat for the final fitting of the jacket with the horrific slash across his chest complete with blood and guts. while wearing the prosthetic there was a caller at the door which Tim Roth insisted on answering still wearing it giving the unexpected visitor quite a shock when the door was answered by a film star apparently suffering from what appeared to be a fatal sword wound. He also created the rotting highland cow which Rob Roy disembowls and hides inside after he escapes the dastardly brits attempting to hang him from a bridge.
“Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have
to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has
you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man.
Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you
in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.
They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.
So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.”
―
Terry Pratchett,
Men at Arms
"Oh, ho, ho! You sly dog! You caught me monologuing!"-Syndrome in, "The Incredibles".
...Or as Tuco Pacifico Jan Maria Rameriez states in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", "when you gotta shoot, shoot, dont talk".
a good man won't kill you at all tho.
@@sunside79334 Check out the paradox of tolerance.
@@sunside79334 Good men can have legitimate grievances. Not all moral codes preach forgiveness to those that do wrong to you.
Unbelievable. The music was so immersive that I felt like I witnessed a hero defeating a demon in some epic. It was a astounding duel between two swordsmen with their own blend of characteristics. Cunningham displays a swordsmanship akin to a swift and skilled demon complete with trickery and a sense of foulness and arrogance in the way he fights. But MacGregor is a man who understands the difference between him and the devil. He is patient in search of opportunity and fierce in rightful judgement. He slows down and displays his feint using a illusion of appearing weak and humble. Playing on Cunningham's hubris, he lures him to a false sense of security. Just after Cunningham feels victorious, MacGregor quickens in his grasp for Cunningham's sword and vanquishes his foe with a swift of lightning and a bright roar. The laceration was deeper and true than any Cunningham's cuts. Fantastic movie. 10/10
Movies like this are history. They'll never be made again with this detail and historical accuracy.
I don't think there is a market for these any more. They are too hard edged, too brutally realistic about the period .They are not politically correct and actors were chosen not to tick boxes. It is too much like looking into the past. You would need trigger warnings
I just noticed this, but has anyone else realised that Cunningham prolonged the fight because he knew that big claymore would get tiring after a while? He pauses at certain times during the fight which means Rob eventually has to hold it with both hands, which means he's slowly getting more tired. Cunningham's blade is lighter, easier to move so it gives him an advantage.
And perhaps Roy drug the sword to not only take a breath but also fool his opponent into feeling so comfortable to savor the victory before truly winning. Either way it all played out rather naturally
Good insight
A master swordsman toying with a peasant-but gloating about it too long, giving his opponent a chance to find a last burst of energy which changes everything
Actually a rapier is heavier than a claymore. The issue is balance.The cut that was executed with the claymore is impossible even with the sharpest rapier. The balance of the cutting claymore should have been closer to the edge.
Also Cunningham seemed to notice that Roy uttered a slight moan of pain while taking off his jacket, which he surely would take advantage of.
Rob Roy has a very particular set of skills, acquired over a long career ⚔️
Yeah jumping onto the winning side
No I disagree, this seems the earlier decade of the long career.
And then he placed jumper cables on Tim Roth's nipples
There's always a bigger fish.
Probably the best sword fight in movie history. i remember this movie very well.
If you want to see some of the best sword fights in history you have to go back much further in time to like the 1930s and 40s. Watch the fight scene in the 1938 movie The Adventures of Robin Hood between Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone. Errol Flynn played in a number of different swashbuckler films as well which are all worth watching. Basil Rathbone also played what I would argue is the best Sherlock Holmes of all time in the 40s.
@@anczerewicz1 The Deluge is very good too: th-cam.com/video/gP98CcasA-E/w-d-xo.html
princess bride between Inigo and Wesley for the win 🏆
In opinion of professional swordsman Deluge has best scene but Rob Roy is great for sure
@anczerewicz1 yeah part of their acting training back then..😊
I thoroughly enjoy this fight. There are no shaky camera movements, no quick cutaways- you are seeing everything. And the absence of backing music was absolutely the right choice.
This is in my top tier of close-combat fight scenes, alongside Chingachgook v. Mogwa ['Last of the Mohicans'], Achilles v. Hector ['Troy'], Cpt. Nathan Algren v. Ujio ['The Last Samurai'], Aragorn v. Lurtz ['Fellowship of the Ring'], and Bronn v. Ser Vardis Egan ['Game of Thrones'].
Well said. It is very rare these days to find such eloquent and well rehearsed combat choreography.
These are some damn fine examples.
All great from a cinemagraphic standpoint but also hilariously inaccurate in historical and martial standpoints.
not bad. you should add this th-cam.com/video/4tgxGMj4C3I/w-d-xo.html Tuo Tuo vs Qinglong in 14 Blades BUT
i strongly recommend watching the whole movie first
D.H. Withers I did love Aragorn vs Lurtz. Even though that was more of a brawl. But where's Inigo Montoya and Westley?
It sucks to be the badguy in a movie starred in by Liam Neeson.
The wolves did all right for themselves.
R C Nelson Yea, but think of all those poor, helpless Albainian Sex Slavers he offed
+KiwiKugai And Darth Maul.
Hehe. Agree.
HAHAHAHAHA!
One of ....well..so MANY great scenes! There are so many in the movie that they can't be counted, indeed, nor rated! Even in 2022 this is still a movie that has so many brilliant scenes and a storyline, that I still find it hard to find one nowadays comparable. On top of that, To be able to encompass history, love, action, drama, life, and music...yes...the incomparable Karen Mattheson Capercallie at the fireside scene singing one of the most profound songs in the soundtrack, as they gave, and bring so much more to this film...albiet, her/their own knowledge of Scottish history, inspired so many. Hubby brought me to Eileen donan castle, ie the song 'Aileen duinne/Dark Alan'.. As well as so many other less 'tourist traveler's places in Scotland, there is so MUCH in this film that affects us, truly, one cannot choose a fave 'scene'. I can only hope that if people who love a bit of drama, and music, and history (i've also been to the grave of 'Rob Roy'), and whist no film is 100% historically accurate, at least this one shows the genuine love, lives, experiences, episodes, and people that are known to have really lived this life, (better than braveheart;)...this is an enthralling movie that can endear others into exploring history and what happened during this time. The music is utterly beyond compare, the actors/actresses, are of a calibre beyond what settles for 'acting' nowadays. Call it aged or cheesy, there are some movies that are destined to be classics, and time will prove, this is one of them. Cheers:) XXX
One of my favorite movies ever. Rob Roy was the first DVD I ever bought, and it deserves a more in depth special edition.
Just watched this on Netflix last night, it had been awhile since I've seen it. Such a good, underrated movie, love Tim Roth, you can really tell he took some fencing training for this film. Not sure why this movie wasn't more popular... Without me going to IMDB... IIRC it came out around the same time as Braveheart, maybe most people thought it was a ripoff of Braveheart but it isn't.
It was also, imo, a much better movie than Braveheart was, and this coming from someone who used to really adore Braveheart when I was much younger.
To me Braveheart is a happy meal to Rob Roy's prime rib.
Precisely. It's funny how there is this long list of similar films that come out in the same years, which are then forever compared to each other. Braveheart and Rob Roy were the twins for 1995. Braveheart is by no means a bad film but Rob Roy is, in my estimation, superior on most fronts and was badly neglected in favor of the more popular movie.
It's far better than Braveheart
Very underrated film , as has Deen said , much better than Braveheart.
I don't understand why we never see this on TV nowadays. But then we never see Laurel and Hardy anymore either, and they made me nearly choke to death from laughing. I could do a much better job than the TV execs today.
This scene is probably the most accurate, realistic and beautifully choreographed sword fight in cinematic history. No silly gimmicks, no divine intervention, no fantastical techniques. This scene isn't pretending to be anything except for what it is; pure martial skill with two very different schools of sword play.
for European fights you need to watch The Duellists - much better
an d it's one of them ost underrated sword fights in film.
'The Great Race' also has a hidden gem of a sword fight.
I suggest you watch The Duellists - there's plenty of realism in that film too.
Not to mention it was Ridley Scott's debut film which got him noticed for the Alien job.
@@guymurphy4395 Ah another man of culture! 😁
I love The Duellists, such a great film and so well shot too, nearly every scene could be a painting.
"Aye, they're none too fond".
2:22 What an amazing script. "No Quarter will be asked" "or given"
"No Quarter" is also a great Zeppelin song.
White Fang
As u the Alamo
The fact that Tim Roth didn't even blink when his falling sword almost pokes him in the face is truly great acting.
yeah that's the legend in the making there. Everybody knows you can't hate on Roth for A) this villain, and B) that dedication. He gets a pass on everything just for this movie.
I noticed that too, right away! Tim Roth never broke Character, even with a close call like that!
Those who have never watched this movie YOU MUST include this masterpiece in your film collection.
That chop was savage. Cleaved through his shoulder, collar bone, and half of his ribs. Needless to say that lung and probably his heart got cut clean through.
Aye. That's a claymore for ye.
That's a broadsword with a basket hilt, @@jes3836.
@@Axel5550 Claymore originally meant a different type of sword but that had fallen out of use long before this time, and that style of sword is often called a claymore today (for instance, when issued to officers in highland regiments).
@@brucetucker4847 Claymore from Gaelic claideamh mor meaning great (or simply big) sword. The English word "cleave" comes from the same root. Hence the cleverness of the dialogue when Archibald says, mockingly of the claymore "If I had to kill an ox, your Grace, a cleaver would be my first choice". In the middle ages the Irish and Scottish gallowglass mercenaries used a two-handed version with blades as long as 50 inches. An undeflected downward slash, between neck and shoulder, from one of those things ...... !!!
He didn't have a heart, just an empty cavity. He was the archetypal dead man walking.
Undoubtedly one of the BEST sword fight scenes of all time!! Brilliantly choreographed!! The sombre, dark, backdrop focussing all attention on only the two combatants. Roth's incredible, lightning quick, reactìons, sword skills, and changes to different points and directions of attack are astounding!! Beautifully contrasted with Neeson's predictable and traditional common fighting style. But where he outshines Roth, is in "thinking outside of the box" - using his wits to capitalise upon a moment of unorthodox opportunity - to almost turn Roth into a "butterfly fillet"!!
And yet in real life Liam Neesom thinks we peasants should not be armed. Liam is just one more pos Hollywood elitist who looks down upon we “little people” who put our hard earned money into his pocket for what…playing pretend and dress up.
@@pamtnman1515 Thanks! Didn't know his stand on firearms. 👍
@@tim7052 unfortunately Liam Neesom is like 99% of the other fancy Hollywood actors, and nothing like the rugged blue collar peasant guys he plays.
Also StarWars n Excaliber.
@@salinagrrrl69 True dat! 👍
Sooo Cunningham kinda got Oberyn Martell'd. The talented duelist appears to be the victor until he gets killed by strength at the end.
Funnily enough, the creators said that they drew inspiration from this scene for the Sandor vs. Brienne fight.
Oh yeah it is a lot like that fight.
I would argue that Oberyn got Cunninhamed lol
The message in both is your opponent isn't finished until their finished. So stop acting like their already finished and hurry up and finish them.
True dat. Basically 0% chance George RR Martin is not a fan of this movie.
If only Darth Maul had seen this and knew what happens when you procrastinate with the final strike.
What's funny is that Darth Maul is Scottish, too.
Brant David Bwahahahah, didn't know that! =P Thanks for the trivia. =)
+Brant David is he also toad from the x-men movies?
I wouldn't know, and I don't understand your question.
+Brant David dose Ray park (darth maul) also play toad from the x-men movie?
I then went to check because in a blooper he takes a lead pipe and spins it like darth maul & also he is.
You can see Rob knows he is out classed and just waits for each attack as a way to survive.But being bigger and heavier and slower , exhaustion finally takes over.
Archies arrogance knowing he can kill him at will leads him to play with him like a cat with a mouse.But it was his down fall.
Amazing acting by both.
This is one of the best examples of revenge, good overcoming evil, that underdogs can win to, and Justice prevails. Even though outclassed, out matched, Rob Roy Prevails.
What more could you want ? An epic sword fight, and the movie was great too.
"Aye, they are none to fond." "Do not think that all sins go unpunished in this life, Montrose." "I will hold you to our bargain."
This entire film had incomparable dialogue, acting and twists. Beautifully acted and done by all principals. Most satisfying.
Indeed , the dialogue makes this film . Almost as good as Kidnapped .
@@bobgibb2781 I'll have to see that one!
@@bobgibb2781 Which one? I found at least three versions of it.
This was our first movie date for me and my wife. I didn't know it had a rape scene. Awkward.
and yet you said...Wife. so I guess it worked out
A good part of the movie is about trust and solidarity in the couple. So a good start.
You mean your date or the movie? xD
Wife? Hey, congrats!
Lol.
The lack of dialogue between the protagonists made this one of the most gripping swordfights ever recorded on celluloid!
Yeah! No trash talking about Rob Roy's wife.
There's only one protagonist in this fight.
The most brilliant line is missed here. When Argyll tels Roy that he'll know who to bet on next time, Roy says "Ha! May your lordship live so long."
Agreed. I've been trying to find that line on TH-cam for some time. After such a test, and he still kept his wit.
“Your Grace” Argyle is a Duke which out ranks the marquess of Montrose. A marquess is referred to as Lord, a Duke as your grace
"I will hold you to our bargain."
I love that. That's a lot of money that weasel will never see again.
its about 10 million in today's money lol
Technically he already had the money. Excuse the spoilers but the plot issue was Montrose loaned money to Rob Roy, sent a man to steal it back, and required him to pay it back anyway.
@@russellcurtis2501 Nah it was not him who stole it, it was that guy under him working with the skinny rat in the sword fight.
@@joshuavd5194 He (Montrose) saw that Archie had paid his tailor debt and got some new clothes. He knew Rob Roy was telling the truth but didn’t care. Montrose did not get the money directly but he knew it was in his house.
Sir Weasel! Decorum please.🧐
Just flat out one of the most epic finale scenes of any movie ever
After that Liam Neeson went punching some wolves.
Damn right, and 17 years later too...still a badass.
Now the government is after him...
Don't forget! In another galaxy, he is also training Darth Vader.
And after defeating the government, Liam got bored so he decided to train Batman.
Duncan McMillan
Then his daughter was Taken, and he kicked people. Then she was Taken again, and he kicked more people. Then nobody was Taken, but something else happened, and he kicked more people.
Roth in this fight fully epitomizes the "looks can be deceiving" quote...
I have not watched this scene in a long time. TREMENDOUS! The choreography, the expressions, the way nasty Tim Roth taunts with his snotty looks, supposed superiority, and the blade in Liam's face. Everything about this is masterful. Great great scene.
Excellent stage combat. Archibald is twirling his blade around like it's a wand, and Roy is hacking like he's chopping wood. It's nice to see an attempt to show radically different techniques and weapons in a mock duel.
Tim Roth should have won an Oscar for this film
YES!
Wat for dying
@@davidbroadley126really 😂
Hobbs was the best fight choreographer of our time. The Three Musketeers is another brilliant example, The Duelist another. None better. And None can hold a candle to his work in our modern age.
Thank you for including opening scene dialogue not included in other postings of this powerful scene. Only thing missing is the ending dialogue. "You're Grace should live so long..." Thanks again.
You know shit got serious when Cunningham takes off his wig!
no kidding
Cuntingham, the bugger of boys!
I think would of been funny if he was still wearing it and in the end (he got his wig split) by a sword
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Archibald is obviously the better swordsman but he was enjoying toying with Rob too much by wanting to inflict as much pain as possible instead of just going for a quick kill. His arrogance was his undoing. Fantastic sequence of how tiring a real swordfight is right up there with 'The Duelists'. It seems fencing and sword instructors rave about how accurate both films are.
I don't think that was the case, you can see a couple of scenes where Archibald is catching breath and looking at Rob with a face like "how is this mf still up?".
More than toying with him I think that Rob Roy was defending himself well enough that he couldn't land a quick killing blow, so he took him by fatigue.
@@Mant111 I also think Rob Roy was acting up being utterly fatigued also.
I have never hated a villain more then this guy.
I thought the same thing until I watched "Pan's Labyrinth".
:)
+Light DireWolfen I thought the same thing until I watched "Gone Girl"
You must watch Game of Thrones and meet Joeffrey Baratheon and Ramsay Bolton :)))
I know, right? His physical acting in this scene alone is phenomenal. Before the duel, his mannerisms and body language are foppish and effeminate. But when he takes the wig off and grabs his sword, his stance completely changes. His arms drop and tense, his shoulders go back, his head stops bobbing, his leg stance widens and stiffens--he goes from fop to killer. Such a good portrayal of the character of Archy.
I love this fight and the movie in general, but to all you claiming, that this shows Rob Roy as a great fighter, it obviously doesn't. He's utter shit. No footwork, not using his basket-hilted sword properly, not using his advantage in range, overswinging and telegraphing every cut he makes. Rob Roy is just awful and Cunningham is toying with him. Does that ruin the fight? No it doesn't. Rob Roy is the perfect underdog, not some unrealistic hero who wins through superior skill. He wins because of the arrogance of his superior opponent and his own determination.
Finkeren, Rob Roy is at a disadvantage coming into this fight. He's already been *compromised from what he's endured prior to their duel. And Cunningham's skill/ ego is no match for Rob's fierce determination. Just a movie, some might say.... In any case, great sword fight. Love this movie!
All true, but the basket hilt sword is at an disadvantage vs the much lighter and faster sword off his opponent, which is actually a dueling sword, while roy's sword is ment for war. Big diference, in a duel it's only you and your opponent, and you can dance around each other. In a battle you are fighting in ranks, and you can pretty much only move in one direction, straight ahead. So in that scenario the basket hilt sword with a shield or buckler. Can do more dmg, it can withstand more dmg and your entire hand is covered.
You have to understand the nature of a movie fight....it's NOT about the actual fight or the skills of the combatants....it's about using the fight to help tell the story.
Rob Roy getting exhausted by how he flails about vs Cunningham's controlled and not-winded performance? All about setting up the ending.
It's storytelling, not real combat.
The greatest respect a swordsman can give is taking you seriously when death is on the line. He had no respect therefore he died for it
Roy was also injured, and the basket sword got heavier and heavier. The rapier was a superior weapon.
Also the director's choice not to enhance the fight scene with background music. Just the genuine sound of the blades swishing in the air the boots on the cold stone floor, the rasping breaths, the clang of steel and the and Archie's gurgling death rattle. Plop, Finito! Home for din din. See ya.
great film, great cast, great acting, and great sword fight.
well there was some great mistakes. That stupid boy for example who slept over the attack at the house, then he killed valuable witness, then shot at solders wich led to Rob Roy's men been killed with him self and capturing of Rob Roy... Yeah that wasn't so great.
Will there ever be films made like this again?
1:40 “I will pay his bill.” I feel like this somehow wounds Montrose like nothing else: the fact that Argyle sides with McGregor and would be willing to cover his debt.
And it was something around 1000 pounds....a LARGE amount back then.
I don't hear it as wounded, it's either amazement, grudging respect, or a more than he could have hoped for kind of moment. Maybe all three. He doesn't like Argyle, sticking him with the bill would be satisfying
Never a happier Scotsman than Argyle after that battle.
I've seen the fight a number of times but never the conversation beforehand. I really should just buy the thing at this point.
one trained in skill and form, the other trained to fight, fight and keep fighting...and is also pissed off.
Except Rob is obviously a shitty fighter. No footwork at all, he just walks around, like he's taking a stroll. He keeps his sword hand back all the time and allows his much smaller opponent to come within distance all the time, the whole idea about the basket-hilted broadsword is, that it allows you to have the sword in front of you at all times. Rob overswings and telegraphs his moves to an extreme degree. He never once tries to thrust. You could write all of this up to stage choreography, were it not for the fact, that Cunningham doesn't make these mistakes (except for not thrusting). Conclusion: The movie wants to show, that Rob is vastly inferior to Cunningham.
Finkeren i don't think you understand the story, Liam is a soldier trained to attack along with anger and rage, the other is convinced that it's just a game...until he grabbed the blade and realized he fucked up lol.
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Doesn't matter who is better. It only matters who is alive at the end of the fight. Rob won.
Rob had character, compassion and real mental toughness; the other a useless son of wealthy people. He got his just deserves.
Just realized that this was a setup. He acted like he was through before he was so that he could get closer and use his strength. The skill of the opponent was too good to keep fighting using speed. You can see a change at about 6:20 or so.
I think it's even earlier than that, more like 5:50, he realizes he can't win, and there's a moment when he pauses, and then he drops the point of the sword to the floor and does this whole shambling drag towards Cunningham, playing up the "beaten man".
I seem to recall another moment earlier on, Roy pulled the same 'grab the blade' stunt. So I always saw this bit as a callback of sorts.
Roy's never been afraid of the small cuts, even though they must hurt like hell. Rather like, 'if he never gets a glove on the little guy, he'll lose to speed and agility. Maybe so, but if the big ox gets in one solid shot, it's over.'
@Home Kitchen I highly doubt it.
If his oponent had decided to cut his throat immediately, his plan would have proven stupid. You NEVER bet your victory over the fact the ennemy will buy your lie. You try to defeat him with all you got, and only if it's clear he's better, then you use the other approach.
Roy chose the basket-hilt sword simply because it's the weapon he's by far most familiar with. You don't improvise with a weapon you don't know well in a duel to the death, even if it's more effective in general. This schiavonna is still a pretty decent weapon for duel and is not heavy at all. He knew it would cut through him, but if he had chosen a spadroon, he could have thrust to his chest or throat with the exact same ease.
@@dhaucoin Actually, grabbing an unmoving blade do not cut your hand as long as you're holding it firmly enough. Putting it so close to Roy was actually a terrible choice, and one he should have foreseen.
@Benjamin Thibieroz
The 'small cuts' comment was referring to Cunningham's cutting Roy in small ways, painful ways. I did learn that grabbing the blade is possible, and it's possible to not suffer too badly. Damned if I'll try it, though, ha ha!
I wrote the subject shift badly, and I apologize.
I hate to belabor the obvious but, shouldn't there be more blood from that wound?
I remember watching this for the first time and I was shocked at how Rob grabbed the blade at the end. He's outmatched throughout the duel, yet... there it is. Such a moment of genius. :D
Genius for choreography, yet beautifully practical. Grabbing the sword looks amazing to us. It’s very much against the dueling code, but perfectly in character for Rob, who isn’t a fancy gentleman but a fighter. He has nothing to lose here; in a real duel, he’s a dead man, and grabbing the sword was his only hope. The fight choreographer worked that into the sequence to bring the fight to a dramatic and satisfying end.
I've never grabbed a blade with my bare hands, but wouldn't he be able to just slip it right out?
@@shaunsteele8244 Depends on the blade, I suppose, but this scene was judged by a fencing expert who said it was quite realistic.
@@shaunsteele8244 Depends on the strength of the grip, and the type of the blade. Wider blades have a larger surface area (providing more friction for the grip), and Rob is without doubt much stronger than his opponent.
Once in sword school I grabbed a (non-sharp) longsword blade with a leather glove in my hand. The grip held so fast that it didn't slip at all, I didn't even need to squeeze much, and the other guy couldn't pull his sword out -- although retaining my grip almost caused me to topple when he pulled.
Now, grabbing a sharp sword with a bare hand... your hand might be sweaty, the blade might be slippery with blood... technically possible, but it would require enormous strength from the hand, and willingness to suffer deep cuts. But if you'd have no other choice, you'd probably try.
@@shaunsteele8244 i am sure if Archibald had stepped back instead of pushing forward to skewer McGregor there is no way MCG could have held onto the blade
One of the most realistic scenes in movie history.
One of my favorite swordfight scenes. Up there with Crouching Tiger/ Hidden Dragon. The footwork and agility of the smaller man puts him in control of the bigger, stronger man. Still, glad to see the good guy win out in the end.
When you see this scene the first time, it stays in your memory forever. Especially when he grabs the sword.
Tim Roth deserved Oscar for this role
GS Grant love is but a cock strutting on a dung hill I think that was his best line
An overlooked but interesting Tim Roth role was Invincible (2001)
Maybe he didn't get an Oscar.. but it sure looks like he got a 'Scar.
Did rob roy come into this fight injured?
When the bad guy took off that wig, he went from pansy to killer like THAT!
You obviously are just watching clips not the whole movie! He wasn’t a nice person in any scene he was in.
@@Beemer917 I think what he means is it was symbolic of the fact he wasn't playing around anymore. He was ruthless before but now the kidgloves have officially come off.
In warfare, the enemy isn't dead til he's buried. Lesson learned. :)
I like how the 2 pixels move closer and further from eachother while sword fighting noises play in the background.
“Those skilled at making the enemy move do so by creating a situation to which he must conform; they entice him with something he is certain to take, and with lures of ostensible profit they await him in strength.” -Sun Tzu
Change the situation, adapt to changes made by the other guy and Mother Nature, and do both better than your opponent.
Great film, capped by an awesome sword fight. Tim Roth is a brilliant actor. Perfect here as the villain. For all the heroic portrayals Liam Neeson has had, this one might just be his best. Excellent finish.
This is a very well-done sword-fighting scene.
This climactic scene in Rob Roy is one of the best portrayls and build up to the thrills of "snatching (unexpected) victory from the jaws of (certain) defeat", one of life's greatest experiences. There wasn't a scene or line in the movie that didn't pack the drama for this GRRREEAATT duel to the death where right made might, for once, and everybody gets hope for their lives' epic mortal duals, metaphorically-speaking, too.
Loved this fight. He grabs the blade and hacks Roth in half... Perfect.
Truly, one of the best sword fight scenes in recent times. The tension and hatred was palpable.
I saw this fight as a kid and now do I appreciate the artistic value it really has. McGregor is simply outclassed in nearly every way from speed to swordsmanship. Nearly everything points to archie winning this fight besides his arrogance which is displayed throughout the movie. As a viewer it's so cool to see a director master such a display of dominance. McGregor wins because his strength of character, seazing opportunity. Archibald having being bested by this opportunisticness before early in the film. Him Losing is cause his one character flaw of not seizing the opportunity in time while McGregor not only realizes it but capitalizes on it, the opportunity. One of the best fight in cinematography by far well done!
Very well done. Grit wins over arrogance......
If anyone knows anything about directing and stuff, could you explain something to me? I've never see this film and I skipped to about 3:00 when I booted up the video, so I skipped all the preliminary dialogue, but about 30 seconds into the fight I already knew who was the villain and who was the person I was supposed to want to win. How do they convey that non-verbally?
The slight smirk on the villains face. the cocky one is always the villain.
TheThingsThat IDo Comic books employ a similar technique, according to artists. I read that comics artists watch films without sound to hone this technique. I think it has a lot to do with framing and character actions/behaviour on screen. Shakespeare used to give more time to sympathetic characters and limit time for those the audience was meant to care less about. It's almost even in this scene to emphasize that it's a duel but, I think Rob just edges Archie (the villian) in close ups/overall screen time. Yeshu makes a good point about Archie's arrogant demeanour too.
TheThingsThat IDo One reason, apart from their facial expressions (Rob Roy looks more angry, his opponent more self-satisfied) is that the villainous party is nearly always the one to make the first move in a combat situation. This is because it instantly paints that character as aggressive.
TheThingsThat IDo Tim Roth and Liam Neeson are both terrific actors and are able to nonverbally convey their characters.
+ThePoorMansButter Batman Begins
So intense. One of the best all time.
Loved this movie as teenager still love it today.
Probably one of the most satisfying deaths of a villain in movie history.
3 absolutely epic villains in this film, not only Roth as Cunningham but Hurt as Montrose and Cox as Killearn "that greasy capon"
Mary: "Robert, there is more. I am carrying a child and I do not know who is the father."
Rob Roy: "Och, Mary!"
Mary: "I could not kill it, husband."
Rob Roy: "It's not the child that needs killing."
The greatest lines in the whole movie, in my opinion.
Off course it's greatest lines for you insecure pricks....If it said by the wife's lover and the last line implied on her husband I wonder if you've said it then
@@afridibinsayed9864 Your comment made no sense whatsoever. If you cannot construct a simple sentence that people can understand, you probably shouldn't post replies on a public platform like TH-cam. Idiot.
@@Eadbhard Truth hurts isn't it loser....You understand it clearly saying this crap won't deny it....Jackass
@@afridibinsayed9864 The truth is this: you're a fugging illiterate imbecile.
@@Eadbhard So are you jackass
"My factor will call upon Your Graces' factor.." is what I said the last time one of my creditors called.
Me too. And I haven't employed a factor in decades.
You factored them off?
Underrated comment here 😂😂😂 imagine saying that to a fat speccy parking warden when he's giving you a fine
@@colinp2238 In a just world our factors would also have factors.
Grace's
"you dont fight with honour!"
"no.....but he did...."
Game of Thrones, right?
@@brendanforester4601 aye
@@whiteeaglewarrior Thought so.
Except the opposite result. Not the honour issue but here the guy with the heavy sword ended up winning. In GOT the guy with the light gear who was faster won.
The villain keeps raising his sword and pointing it at Rob Roy, is that to provoke Rob Roy, tire him out as the villains sword looks lighter and the villain looks as if he has much better stamina.
Roy wasn't as tired as he was showing. He simply didn't want to get to badly wounded before he pulled his final trick. Any of those slices Cunningham gave him could've been on his sword arm and that could ruin his ability to fight back. So he took a few and then played like he was exhausted.
Pointing the sword was mainly arrogance. Normally you want to coach your sword back so your adversary isn't fully aware of your overall reach. Cunningham didn't care. It's also easier to defend with your sword back than fully extended. Cunningham was showing he wasn't afraid of anything Roy could do.
And earlier in the film, he was dragged behind a horse and beaten half to death before they got to the bridge,so Rob wouldn't have been at his best. He probably had broken ribs and it looked like his jaw could have been broken. Archie followed Montrose's instruction for broken but not dead.
I would imagine this how a real duel would be, very calculated and taken in bursts. When you clash you're wagering your life so you want to connect swords when it's appropriate. I do like the surprise at the end of the duel, Cunningham was too cocky and the cost was his life. You don't make a desperate and angry man lick your boots.
+RogueShadows 4 seconds is quite an exaggeration - true they wouldn't have lasted as long as duels in film/tv have led us to believe but 4 seconds is still a large exaggeration, especially if both duelists were equally skilled - if both were equally skilled then they probably would have lasted longer but as stated above blade contact would by no means have been constant but in bursts, as is still the case in modern 'sport' fencing (as a modern fencer myself I can vouch for this)
+RogueShadows He did not teach sword fighting
Josh Hardy I think this duel was pretty accurate considering the characters. Cunningham was a sadist, heavily the favorite and he wanted to savor his expected victory and killing him.
In real life, they would likely both be dead from simultaneous stabs.
Within the context of stage combat, this was excellent...the fight serves to tell the story and set up the climax. In real life it may not have gone that long, at least with the actual fighting (the maneuvering around and positioning to attack, THAT would seem realistic in a duel like this), although props for hits being landed BEFORE final one.
The most realistic part for me was MacGregor getting tired during the fight -- a claymore ain't light -- both from the exertion and the effects of his wounds.
The first fight from "The Duellists" is probably the most realistic sword fight on film, but this is a close 2nd.
"I will hold you to our bargain."
That's such a great line because that one guy should be thinking "Well that's 1,000 Pounds I'll never see again."
For a time, I couldn't watch any other movie with Tim Roth, after watching this one. I couldn't stand his face. That's how good of a villain he was.
The practical effect of that gaping sword wound is fantastic. I was always impressed how you can see Archibald's split ribs and collar bone wiggle as he stumbles around.
Well, thanks for that. I looked away the first time and have never watched that part since.
ah the classic cliche villain mistake, not killing their enemies swiftly savoring the moment and letting thus a fatal mistake.
Totally consistent with Bad buy's character - check out movie.
Sorta. Of course we knew that RR would (somehow) win but there was a method to Cunningham's arrogance. He was not only demonstrating his superior swordsmanship but sapping his foe's endurance vis-a-vis the slashing wounds. Worked too, were it not for his arrogance simply getting the better of him at the end . . . Cheers!
Nah, this was all plot armour bullshit. You cant hold the tip of a sword like that, if you could then the sword cant cut flesh at all.
@@HereticDuo That's actually not true. Check out skallagrim's video on halfswording. As long as your hand doesn't slide, the blade won't cut you. So with a tight enough grip, it should be okay. It's just something people aren't too willing to test.
@@bigheadrhino half swording is a little bit different. with that technique, you hold your own blade, and the blade 'tries to move' perpendicular to your hand, not parallel. in this case, the blade would move parallel, resulting in a draw cut.
also, once the blade cuts the hand, the blood will act as lubricant and the sword would move even easier.
Thank you for that description yeahchris. Rob Roy was a peaceful man who kept to himself but when you screw with a man's family expect for him to come after you with a vengeance.
I remember reading about a US marine in battle finding himself bare-handed in close quarters at the moment a Japanese officer charged him sword uplifted. He grabbed the blade away & killed his antagonist with the sword. But between the injuries to both hands he lost 5 fingers to do it.
A small price to pay for another day. Ooh rah
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Yeah you'd definitely lose a lot of your hand doing that. I'm not even sure I believe that story, since you'd have to take the sword away from someone, and then use it effectively, having lost at least the use of one hand. I don't even know how you'd keep the grip on the sword, since pulling back creates a natural slicing action (especially with a curved sword), lubricated by fresh blood that's still wet because it hasn't coagulated and become sticky. But it's a good story whether it happened or not.
Tim Roth in this movie is the nastiest bad guy EVER!
it may be siily to take note of this, but this fight was serious enough that Archibald thought about it a moment and then took off his wig. He didn't do that with Guthrie. But here, whether he meant to draw out the fight with Roy or not, he wanted to be that unimpeded. A 'just in case' tiny little bit of awareness that shows he knew Roy was not your average Scot. He gave him that much at least.
Rob Roy was one of the VHS tapes I had as a kid. Such a great film. I used to enjoy it back then just for the battles and fights like this but now I know what’s happening and can actually follow the story more accurately it’s even better. Rob Roy and Cunningham played by 2 exceptional actors too
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