Why the Jets NEED to Avoid Brock Bowers in the NFL Draft | Cool Your Jets Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Ben Blessington and Michael Nania discuss the Haason Reddick trade and what the New York Jets should do in the NFL draft.
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I’m begging you guys to watch the 2021 and 2022 tape. As a massive College fan it pains me to hear Bowers is bad in traffic. He’s probably the best in the draft in that regard with his tape/stats/analytics whatever. The only way you could possibly have that take is if you watched very little of him
Great point about getting offensive line for breece hall, and Arod. It helps them both!
I totally agree with what you both had to say. Best offensive lineman makes the most sense and I’m surprised it’s even a debate (unless it’s Neighbors or Harrison)
My guys! Yes thank you.
Thinking Bowers would be some awful pick is exclusively a Jet fan thing
And they are straight up lying as well. Like he’s statistically elite at all the things they said were weaknesses?
@@Luke-kv5tp I don't think they are lying, I just see the player differently
@@user-bs8ks1uz6g numbers don’t lie. I think you’re right and I was harsh. Misinformed was the word I should have used
Who's gonna get Bowers open?
Do you trust Hackett to do that?
I've been watching film and highlights of Bowers the last 3 days and he has almost no snaps where he runs a route to get separation and make a catch....
@@davidjamal378 well if the OC can’t figure out a way to get a weapon like that the ball then the whole seasons fucked anyway
If he’s there, I think Odunze is the best pick. I like Nabers more, but moving Garrett into the slot and allowing Odunze to work on his development as WR3 while also being an undervalued safety net behind Garrett and Mike Will in case of injury would be a great situation. If Garrett goes down, they’d be wasting Rodgers having Mike Will/Lazard/Gipson as their top 3. I also think there are developable OT prospects like Rosengarten, Fisher, or Amegadjie who would have an opportunity to develop the right way if they could bring in Bahktiari and also have Warren show some backup capability. A rookie OT doesn’t need to see the field in that scenario. I don’t see any scenario where a rookie WR doesn’t see the field. Count me out on Bowers. I’m his biggest hater, and I’ll leave it at that.
Saying he is bad in contested catch situations is just objectively wrong. He’s got a better contested catch rate in his career than Odunze (59% vs 53%)
Holy shit just heard them mention fumbling and hands when it comes to Bowers. This can’t be real life
Now I really hope they draft him 💯
YOU are absolutely correct sirs!!!
It's rare indeed for a rookie lineman to just plug in and be average or better right away. It takes a year or two at least. If you are drafting for Rogers, you need to get guys at positions that you expect immediate production. If you are drafting for a future QB, yes, build your line. If you already have a QB for this year, it's too late.
BTW, no competent GM is drafting J.C. Latham over Brock Bowers, even if they have an All Pro at TE and need a lineman.
You guys are children. I’ve been a jets fan since 1966. I can tell you, the jets have been good when they had receivers that DONT DROP THE BALL! Last year, as bad as it was, Zach threw so many good passes that were dropped. And don’t tell me some of the passes were not on target. The best passers have receivers that can catch the ball if it’s over their head or a slightly behind. If Lazard is on the field, they will be in trouble. But NOT BOWERS! This draft has great receivers and we need to get a good one. I’d love to trade down, get Latham, take one of the second tier receivers later in the draft, like a slot guy , maybe malik Washington from Virginia. As far as the line? Douglas put together a line that never even saw the field last year! They have to figure out the cause of the injuries. The best jets teams had HEALTHY olines. The jets are among the league leaders in injury days every year since 2016. They have to fix that.
Bowers has the best hands in the draft
Fan since 1975.. and I agree with you too many of these TH-camrs and social media jet fan analyst are a little too young to have seen when the Jets were really good. Those jet teams of the 80s, the 90s and even the early 2000s all had a few things in common.
1. Elite Defensive lines that got to the QB and stopped the Run
2. Offensive lines that had well above average players, stayed healthy, opened holes for RBs and decently protected our QBs
3. Had an elite RB
4. Had 2WRs that caught the ball
5. Had above average special teams
Truly when I think of it, this NYJ teams has more talent across the entire team than many of those older teams. This NYJ team lacks a healthy, competent Oline, a DT that can stop the run, force double teams and get QB pressure from the inside, but we finally have a QB that has enough talent to win a Super Bowl. The last quarterback we had that was this good was Joe Namath. We may have better talent at pass rusher than we’ve ever had. I think our DBs are comparable to what we had in 2009-2011, if we can sign or draft a talented safety, then this defensive backfield might be the best we’ve ever had.
Dude only Garret Wilson was good on Jets offense last year, everyone else was trash.
Born in 82 fan my whole life
Im tired of the old timers downplaying elite skill bc they wanna play 1990s style meathead ball
Micheal Nania is so intelligent
The fact that nobody’s brought this up on any show that I’ve heard blows my mind. The reason you take the elite offensive tackle over the elite receiver is very simple.. at the trade deadline if the New York Jets are really in contention and the team looks like a team that could cause some trouble in the playoffs for everybody, Aaron Rodgers is looking great, but we’re just a little bit short at wide receiver to make a serious run at Super Bowl and see it, Joe Douglas will go out and trade for an Elite wide receiver, and I can guarantee you they’ll be some available because they are every single year. But now the flipside of that if the Jets only had somebody who could block Aaron‘s blindside that left tackle, this is a team that could really do some damage there’s no guarantee you can trade for an elite blindside tackle for Aaron Rodgers. And there’s nobody reading this comment can say that’s not the truth with the straight face. I know there’s that one year there was an elite tackle. You can tell me about the one year out of the last 40 there wasn’t a elite receiver, but in reality receivers easier to find
You don't win the Mackey award by being bad.This player in the slot will control the middle of the field.TE's win you championships.Not WR's.
They also are straight up lying. “Bad in traffic” “fumble issues” and “bad hands” is insane stuff
4.4% drop rate, 59% contested catch, and never lost a fumble. These people are just making shit up
Does it make sense to expect to stay healthy when we could only afford these players in the first place because they are old and/or injury prone? What are the odds all our critical pieces actually make it through the season on metlife turf?
Yeah. Projection health is the biggest issue with this team. All we can do as fans is pray
I can see jets trading back and settling for a 2025 future 2nd to compensate for the reddick deal .
Bowers is the best college TE anyone with eyes has ever seen. Watch the 2022 all targets video and your concerns about down the field and contested catches will seem laughable. The guy had a smaller sample size last year because he was banged up
They are using the analysis of a man who watched hand picked tape from 2023 (39 plays total). That’s how you get analysis like “Bowers is bad at contested catches” 2022 and 2021 are irrelevant for them
He was fucking 77% in contested catches coming into this year and these guys are saying he’s terrible. Get the CFB casuals out of her man LMAO
The approach to the analysis is straight up political
TE bad OL good
It is all about the offensive line. Anybody who does not see that does not know what they are looking at.
Said sometime around 1998.
Wake up..its a playmaker’s league
@@kurth4255 not quite. it's a playcaller and QB league. plenty of excellent offensive skill position guys watch the playoffs from cancun every single year. elite QB play, creative offensive scheming/playcalling, and an excellent O line. you still need at least two of these three factors to do anything meaningful. as for the jets, we all know the coaching staff is clueless, and post-achilles rodgers is a massive question mark. gotta make sure that O line is a top 5-7ish unit.
Ah yes, cool your jets with the ice cold takes.
Even if Bowers is as great as folks say he is, it's not going to matter if Smith/Moses get hurt and we get to watch Rodgers get piledriven into the dirt again. Draft an OT at 10 and don't eff up your OT drafting in back to back years if you don't want to keep doing that.
Why do so many of you despise offensive playmakers so much??
Keep in mind this is the same guy who watched 39 snaps and evaluated him. Bowers has objectively elite contested catch ability, hands, and ball tracking. There are no stats (with sample size) that say otherwise
We don’t need a fucking tight end dude
Cool that’s fine just don’t make shit up about prospects
I’m just gently suggesting that saying Bowers is terrible at thing he’s objectively great at is dumb
@@jacrispy1262 i actually appreciate fans like you. “We don’t need a TE” is an argument I’d be willing to have. I’m just not willing to debate things that are objectively and statistically wrong
@@Luke-kv5tp i hear ya bro hey if Bowers can be a Kittle RIGHT AWAY then i deff understand the pick, and I’m not saying he isn’t going to be awesome in the league. But the risk to reward isn’t to me a good one. I could be wrong but it’s not like Conk can’t make great plays and run people over too. Ruck didn’t play too much but when the ball was thrown to him he snagged it even with people on him too
Thank you for talking sense and being reasonable! The Jets drafting any other position in the first round outside of Tackle would be a huge mistake for all of the reasons you laid out.
I would love to see them be aggressive and maybe trade up from their 3rd round pick, package a 2nd in 2025 and go get a solid WR in round 2. Just pray they take the correct tackle in round 1 and find a WR that hits later in draft
Jet fans hate playmakers & it’s sad
@@kurth4255 if you actually watched the jet games over the last few years and listening to the entire podcast then your sing a different tune. I bet you don't watch every play of every game nor listened to the podcast. You are likely just cherry picking comments and hating.
Ive watched every game & followed every draft dating back at least 30 years.
Try again?
@@kurth4255 then I don't know what to tell you buddy. Listen back to the entire podcast as they do a great job of explaining the exact reasons why a tackle is more important than a skill position player at the top of the draft.
You dont need to tell me anything
I listened to the podcast & i disagree
I say you all hate playmakers because every single draft you find reasons to avoid drafting them early and think you’re somehow smarter for it.
How have all those day 2 & 3 WRs theyve drafted,bc they prioritized literally everything else on day 1 worked out?
All these years later we still lack offensive firepower. Wonder why. Its always an after thought starting w a segment of fan base
OL is important,extremely important. But its not the be all end all.
You guys want to build an OL not an offense. To the point of nitpicking anything that isnt OL.
When can we nitpick Alt’s struggles against the bull rush, Fashanu’s small hands & bad knees or Fuaga’s lack of twitch/Change of direction??
It’s a playmaker’s league.
Rather a WR who takes the top off a defense!
DRAFT BOWERS AT 10!!!!
Arguing that we don’t need a TE is fine. But saying he doesn’t have good hands, bad at contested catches, bad ball tracking, etc. just shows you know nothing about the college game. There are no stats that back you up. In fact that all say he’s elite at those things
Been saying it since day one Dude is not the guy everyone’s saying he is…. Getting a free release against UAB and trucking a 5’8 169 pound CB doesn’t translate to the NFL! Kelce wins with route running and his ability to recognize coverage and sit in soft spots. Bowers doesn’t know what defensive coverage is because he’s never had to read it! Just run behind the line with a free release 😂😂🤡🤡 Anyone saying bowers is Top 10 doesn’t watch tape and is just regurgitating nonsense
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18 btw and that’s every snap in that game. What film are you watching?
@@Luke-kv5tp watch the entire UAB game and tell me again that you think this dude is “gEnErAtIoNaL” Holding like a loaf of bread and fumbles, runs exactly 0 routes the whole game, gets blown up by an undersized DE and this is the same UAB that went under a few years ago!
I’ve watched every snap. I provided tape vs Bama when he was a true freshman. You say he wasn’t that good against UAB once?
@@Jetsjohnny I mean every draft analyst would disagree with you
My issue is that the majority of Brocks receptions are from gimmicks or being schemed open.
He doesnt have a lot of film showing him getting open 1 on 1 against the defender.
Also, almost half of his receptions are at the LOS or in the backfield.
Judging only by his film, hes not worthy of a top 10 pick...
He has an absurd amount of film doing that. The sample size for bowers against elite competition is better than any other prospect
He has a 96th percentile first down/TD percentage
Just him as a freshman, shop more, junior, his head coach said no one on the team could cover him, he's been their best player since he got there. Watch Joel Klatt 's review on him. What offensive left tackle as a rookie is going to help us win this year, or will even get another year out of JD if they don't make the playoff's, They will get another O- linemen as a backup before camp.
@@grovepeate3316 Nick Saban literally went on a rant about how great he was right Before the natty his freshman year. Every UGA defensive player of the last 3 years has said he’s the best they’ve ever played against too
UGA is loaded w elite skill at seemingly every level of their O.
Why would they dedicate practice reps/ in game snaps to creative play design for a hybrid TE if he wasnt an absolute dude?
WHAT TE???? OFFENSE LINE HELP WTF 🤔 ????????????.
Jesus Christ and Michael even have a chance to speak today
Avoid? LMAOO
He’s watched 39 snaps and thinks he knows more that every scout that is evaluating this draft
@@Luke-kv5tpthat's not how film reviews work and you know that. You don't review the entire season. Also who claimed they know more than scouts? Give your opinion without being a woman about it
@@user-bs8ks1uz6g I’m the one giving statistics here buddy. You guys are the ones using feelings because you have no stats against Bowers
@@user-bs8ks1uz6g “you don’t review the entire season” yeah that’s my fucking point dude. He’s using a tiny sample size to say obviously wrong things
@@user-bs8ks1uz6g and by the way real scouts actually watch every snap. That way the won’t say stupid shit like “bad hands”, “contested catches”, etc.
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This is him as a 18/19 year old. True freshman and true sophomore. They haven’t watched his tape in those years so they have a lot of objectivly wrong opinions
Jets need to add a future player at a position of need, drafting a TE when you dont have a franchise QB and only have 1 future piece on the o-line.
Avoid? Cmon this is getting ridiculous, I feel like the nitpicking with Bowers is insane at this point
Also objectively wrong. like bad at ball tracking and contested catches? Who the fuck were they watching?
Did you guys watch the film review? Or even the cut-up of all of his targets and touches? Seemingly 90% of his success was on stuff where he was schemed wide open. Almost exclusively a move blocker. He’s basically Kyle Juszczyk, who’s a good player, but not 1st round good
@@Mike-ge7pe the film review was 39 snaps and he concluded he’s terrible at contested catches (he’s objectively elite at that). That man has not watched anything more and he also criticized bowers for his back to back 1 hand catches (said he should use 2 hand when it wasn’t even possible)
@@Mike-ge7pe th-cam.com/video/kH1Y7fAxWE0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fkTjp4bjB_mnVQDL
For reference bowers had more snaps in this game where dominated Bama as an 18 year old, then they have watched in his career. This is literally the worst info you can get on bowers
@@Luke-kv5tphe is objectively not lol Ben didn’t even show or bring up his fumbles! Dude never beat press, has no route tree and doesn’t track the ball in the air well! Dudes the most over hyped prospect since Kyle Pitts and this dude is no Pitts!
What? 😂
Bro he would walk in day one and be your best offensive player
Brock Bowers is a warrior !! He breaks tackles like Gronkowski and Mark Bavarro...he has surprising speed and quickness and cunning and a super high football I. Q. a lot like Travis Kelce...he's uncannily open ALL OF THE TIME...again, just like Kelce...he also has natural, country boy strength and Rodgers' most productive years as a Packer QB, with Hackett as the O.C. was of course with Adams at wide receiver, but Rodgers also had under the radar tight ends who made crucial catches in super important games ( who can forget the incredible back shoulder pass by Rodgers to his tight end in the Cowboys playoff game that pretty much ended the Cowboys season that year )
But most important of all, Bowers has super soft, super catchable hands and he also loves to block at the line of scrimmage and he's athletic enough to take his great blocking talents down field ( much like George Kittles in San Fran )....TOTAL TEAM PLAYER !!
Because a Tight End's core competency is catching passes in traffic, and Bowers is bad at it?
He’s also elite at that. This dude just watched 39 snaps. He has a 59% contested catch rate, that’s objectively elite against the best competition possible
For reference Odunze is 53%, Malik is 45%, and Harrison is 43%. And bowers played tougher competition with a much bigger sample
Lmao and conklin doesn’t catch those ?? All of conklins catches last year were literally head topping defenses
Before the game starts we are already out coached & that cannot be discounted. We have arguably the worst HC & offensive coaching staff in the league.
Penalties , missed tackles all signs of a lack of discipline & that is directly on the coaching staff .
We're going to have growing pains due to a completely revamped OL who more than likely will sit out the vets during training camp & OL takes time to jell.
I expect a competitive team & a playoff appearance but I see us falling short of a legit threat to get to the SB... too many ????
So a player jumping off sides or missing a tackle is now the coaches fault? What the hell 😂
@@jacrispy1262 Yes, it's called discipline & it's a consistent problem & the team as a whole rather than 1 or 2 players.
Rodgers, with Adams and a bunch of W3-4s, won MVP 2x.
BUILD THE WALL and he will dissect defenses.
How are the Dolphins not better than the Jets? Rose colored glasses 😮
The Dolphins lost their 3 best pass rushers to FA or Injury
@@user-bs8ks1uz6g they will figure that out
I've been saying the same thing. It makes zero sense to draft this guy.
And it makes 110% sense why Jets fans wouldn’t want a legitimate guaranteed stud at TE for the next 10+ years.
@@jetsbabyy8117 Sure, but if there's a legitimate guaranteed stud at TE in the draft, he ain't Brock Bowers. I think his contested catching rank in his class is something like #83. For a tight end, that's not just some insignificant detail. His film has some really impressive plays, I'll grant you; he catches a short pass, gets stopped and stood up by a linebacker, and he keeps churning his legs and churning his legs and manages to turn a 2 yard gain into an 8 yard gain. But in the NFL, that linebacker is going to be joined by a second and third defender almost immediately.
I've got a pricking in my thumbs that JD is going to take him, especially as last year the Jets draft board had TE Michael Meyers right behind WMD, so I hope I'm wrong. And if I'm right, I hope he learns that you don't slow down and look for the ball when you know you're the target, and you don't let the ball cross your face while you're looking it in. If he improves his ball handling, his contested catch issue goes away.
@@jessejordache1869 he had 9 contested catch opportunities and he was hurt. Are you not going to mention his 77% contested catch rate after his sophomore year?
I mean the dude was 13/17. That’s pretty fucking good. Plus his career was a 59% contested catch rate which is borderline elite
@@Luke-kv5tp look at all the tightened drafted in the first round in the last 10 years. How has that worked out. We're talking about a bunch of guys that can't miss.
what a clown show, dissing the most likely pick is only gonna create harm to him and his development.
The things they said he’s terrible at he’s elite at by every scout, analytic, stat, etc.
Lol what? I love Bowers, but that's preposterous they are giving opinions. If a player busts because of a podcast that 900 people watched, then he likely would have sucked anyway
@@user-bs8ks1uz6g true but do you or they have any data to back up the claims they made (bad ball tracking/contested catch)