Legend, there is one thing with racing mechanic that is worth to note: If one of factions get the milestone buff, the other cannot receive it. So technically harming your opponent does "nothing" it is there to assure that player is able to get the highest tier, and is not locked out of its benefits.
Seconding this. A newer player may also easily lose the race if they don't take to building the supporter-gaining shrines early on, which is really important to secure the victory over the AI (imo makes more of a difference than anything else). You can also lose supporters quite a bit if you war with sibling Kislev factions, which happened often in both of my Tzarina playthroughs. Getting those supporter shrines is really important imo and might not be obvious to a newer player who might prioritize general econ buildings over.
I once played Kostaltyn. I secured Erengrad and Azazel's tower and the land between, then sailed Kostaltyn off to bring the holy word of Ursun to the world. Colonizing and crusading in random places. It was the funniest campaign I've done. I converted the heathens of Albion and the Dark Elf menace. They trembled at the sight of Ursun's prophet.
A racing mechanic should've been given to the Empire or Cathay. There's elector counts rivaling each other or dragon twins doing the same thing. While for Kislev this entire "civil war" idea sounds completely nonsensical giving the lore and circumstances. Like, Boris founded the Orthodoxy and suddenly, after his death, it doesn't recognize his own daughter as a rightful ruler, despite frost mages proving to be country's founders and savours for many centuries? Sure, why not fight each other when Chaos is already at your doorstep? It's like they didn't know where to put Hector & Paris mechanic from Troy and ended up deciding on Kislev by rock, paper, scissors or something.
from my understanding a big part of the issue is that Katarin herself generally follows the older faiths that Boris tried to get rid of, as a result she's generally held up as an icon and figurehead for everyone that would already be the Great Orthodoxy's enemies, that's why there's such a big schism between them. it's nothing against Katarin specifically, or against the Ice Witches (they just happened to almost all side with her), it's that they're all following the old faiths that Boris specifically made the Great Orthodoxy to get rid of. them fighting Katarin over this is basically just a misapplication of their intended purpose.
It's a common trope in media and real life where people fight among themselves instead of focusing on the greater danger outside their borders. It was basically the entire plot of Game of Thrones.
You should cover Alberic de Bordeleaux, his new start position makes his campaign so much more interesting than in 2, and he also received a buff to his faction effects, so it actually feels like it does something now. Honestly when I finally tried him in IE, I was surprised by how much fun I had.
@@martinarsnes3748 As fast as he can do these videos, he probably already has the next few ready to go. Plus more comments helps him with the algorithm
I 2nd that motion I'm not the greatest Dark Elf player but I love Rakath. There's something that's just so cool of having an army of big monsters that isn't a Lizardmen army (though I love them too).
I love Rakarth I just wish you didnt have to rely on raiding to get consistent monsters. He shouls really have a marketplace similar to how throt can invest resources in his lab to get monsters.
Love that you mentioned the patriarch doomstack in this one. I think if you mentioned more on possible doomstacks or army makeups in early game mid game late game would be very beneficial to new players and veterans alike
For those that are curious: Early game: Just spam basic kossars. Maybe pick up a few armored kossars if you want/can afford them. Legend doesn't like them very much, but I find them to be pretty good at bursting down enemies before they charge into you for a solid HP advantage for your frontline units. They also do OK vs armor and are pretty good at killing lords/heroes when focus-firing. *Stay away from dervishes, they are arguably the worst unit in the game.* Mid game: Pick up a few strelsi if you're going against armored or low-entity count units. Light war sleds are also very good so long as you can maintain a speed advantage and can be cost effective with Ice Court traits + blue line. Tsar guard are a bit too costly at this point; you could get about 3 regular kossars or 2 armored kossars for the same price and they're not going to be much more effective at fighting what you're facing at this point. It's much better to have another army to cover more ground than to have tsar guards. A couple of winged lancers might be useful in some situations for harassing enemy artillery since you won't be able to counter them with your own little groms until T4. Late game: You can run full light war sled stacks, ice guard stacks + 2 little groms, Tsar Guard + strelsi + little grom mixed army, and war bear rider stacks (expensive unless commanded by Boris but damn near impossible to lose with 1-2 healing patriarchs). Kislev has a pretty good economy so long as you focus on resources that boost farm/market income globally and iron for global upkeep reduction.
@@TheBoxGhost_tm Oh, you couldn't be more wrong about Dervishes. They're not shock cav and anyone using them like that is just playing poorly. Use them like Vampire Counts Wolves or Drycha's doggos to harass and divide armies. They get frenzy which isn't too bad, they're very fast so they're good at capturing points in a settlement battle, can out run almost everything you face in the early game, besides Azazel's cav if he has any and will lose to them, and can run down fleeing/broken units. The worst unit in the game is still Bretonnia's Peasant Mob or Orc Boys.
I wonder if it would make sense, if the opponent (no matter who you play as) finishes the race first, you would get an event in which you can pick: 1) Become their Military Ally and gain some considerable debuffs (showing that you're their bitch now, since they won) 2) or declaring war on the other faction in both cases you would loose previous bonuses from the race mechanic and gain them back at max. only if other faction is wiped off the map. Confederation would be impossible and if you picked path 1) and at some point decide "that's enough", you would keep the debuff until you defeat other faction.
More intractability in general would be highly beneficial. Especially the inability to declare war. Pair it with a hefty de buff to devotion, but this is a civil war, let us fight it if we want.
I fucking tortured myself learning how to play this campaign. Im new to this game, and out of the few armies Ive played I would DEFINETELY say this one was the hardest. I restarted after turn 5 like 5 times before figuring out that EVERYONE AROUND YOU HATES YOU. Not to mention his early game units are garbage. I basically did what this guy said to do, except I chose to target the skaven first over dealing with Azazel. If you go for Azazel first, you'll immediately be at war with 2 factions (Azazel's ally has settlements to your immediate west). Capturing the 2 ruins next to Zoisheck (or w/e the fuck its called) gives u a buffer zone against the other hostile factions to the north. I would also mention to recruit the ice court mages asap, the spells really help in the tough battles you'll have to fight (esp vs Azazel, his army is full of melee and people who charge, have fun trying to kite him without ice spells). Diplomacy is a MUST imo. I found it worth to establish diplomatic relations with all the empire factions for trade, as your early game economy is downright depressing (takes several settlements/provinces to establish an actual income). Save your devotion to decrease the Ice Court's supporters as much as possible (Ice Court has a SHITLOAD of buffs that makes her outpace how fast you can farm support). Remember, for the early game you aren't really trying to expand as you are trying to SURVIVE. You have multiple hostile factions the north, west and skaven to your east. Your 2 starting settlements can be easily flanked and raided due to it being on water (ASK ME HOW I KNOW :D). Hope my ted talk helps somebody, because playing through it as a newbie was like rubbing my balls with a cheese grater.
I really liked Kostaltyn's campaign in ROC. It was my first time playing Kislev and it was hard. Now i'm in my second Kislev campaign with Katarin and i also unlocked her father by doing the quest mission. It is so much easy with her starting location and army buffs to Ice Guard. Orthodoxy FTW :)
@@diogovieira5563 I had one full army for Kostaltyn and a 15 unit secondary army. They eat and drink snow, faith is all they needed to bring Ursun back from the dead ! aka i had a negative income for the first 50 turns or so :)
I played Katarin as my first ROC playthrough. While I did great at the start, eventually taking the entire Kislev area, the campaign went on and more rifts opened and the demon armies go more challenging. I had to constantly throw back invasions from the north by Norsca or Demon factions, I lost territory to rift armies or armies to my campaign in the South, helping the Empire, and continued to be driven back deeper in to my own territory. By the final turns, I was making a desperate last stand, holding on to only three provinces, while I sent Katarin in to the Realms of Chaos to secure the Forge of Souls. I found it very tense and exciting, personally. I know the ROC campaign is hated by a lot of people, but I found the "race against time" mechanic to be enjoyable, and it forced me to do something else other than just press auto resolve in every battle after turn 80 or so.
@@kwdblade4683 I like the ROC campaign too. And you don't need to be the first tot gather all four souls. If the AI dose it, you can battle them before they undertake the final mission, just like you could in the Vortex campaign from TWH 2.
I really love this series. It gives me the chance to look at some legendary lords and their mechanics, that I just never had the motivation to play. I was wondering how Gor-Rok is doing now, could you review him next, or maybe soon? Keep it up :)
I really like Kislev campaigns. I don't think their economy is bad. You can make a lot of cash with the right tech, trade partners, and buildings. I also like how all of their units are pretty strong even on legendary (well maybe except for the horse cavalry)
Their economy is fine. People complaining about that are just playing poorly or trying to run a Strelsi stack by turn 10. As you said, loads of trade partners, good amount of loot from battles, sack, they can get a lot of construction discounts iirc, quite a few nearby ports, and their starting units are super cost effective. I've played both Kislev factions in ROC and IE and never had money problems. Their major settlements are money makers and once you take out Throt and your neighboring major threats, there are some prime spots in the South to take from either Festus or Vlad.
I'm pretty sure that using Supporter Actions to lower the rival's support lets you gain the benefit of the missed milestone, but I don't know if the milestones stack or just give you the bonus of that level. So if you miss the first milestone, it may not matter because you'll get the max rank benefit regardless.
did the supporter race changed in the meantime? i remember at the beginning legend saying that you have to be first to the milestones or you're not getting the bonuses (in some of first streams perhaps? but i remember this information), and i didn't question it bcos it made sense, yk. why frame something as a race when other faction's progress makes no difference to the player. it's nice to know it's *not* a race
i did a campaign with him the other day, and the rush technique is no jopke, neither are his Kossar buffs. I didnt take your steps but actuallly Auto'd him on turn 8 lol. Then demolished Thrott a few turns later. The secret for me was in the kossar horse archers and the sled. Its so easy to kite them and even after the nerfs, the sled still rocks in chariot mode. Ppl who say their economy is poor, are probably not using Kossars effectively. Tempest and Ice are literally built for checkerboard, and Ice is god tier for blobs, whether its leopards or bears or patriarchs.They moved the tech around in IE so you can boost those kossars right from the off. I leaned in to Armoured kossar great weapons early and usually have them on the front line, a few streltsi placed how you place your empire rifles, then a checkerboard behind. Works like a dream if you have the horse archers confusingf the Ai. Also Dahl's brazier is his real main weapon. even though its blue, the effect is purplpe and its easy to see why.
Different approach is instead of pushing north after you defeat rebel faction is to go south. Just south is Ostland with a gold mine so take their territory. Yes you'll have some empire factions be mad at you but you can research the tech to increase empire relationship and/or after taking Ostland keep pushing south and fight Festus and maybe give back some territory he took. With that you should have a strong ally to the south who with no Festus to deal with will take care of the vampires and drych so you can focus back on the north but with some territory you actually want and with some more funds. In my opinion he has the easiest start position for a Kislev faction. Also Erengrad is a city caravans go to so other than starting with the city who can develop the best economy with (harbor, market, and unique building which increases income) you have guys who just show up and give you money.
Honestly, as an admittedly average or below average player, I personally find Kostaltyn to be...if not the easiest, then the least stressful of the Kislev campaigns when it comes to IE. Starting with one of the big three cities instead of starting with only minor settlements is a major boost, and because he has (admittedly minor) global buffs for your early tier units, it's kind of easy to just crap stack early on. Just take out Azazel early then fight Throt while keeping a stack in Azazel's tower to fend of Throgg's inevitable assaults is both fun and means you'll generally be swimming in Devotion. Also, I have no idea why, but Ostland seems less "Attack Kislev" happy when playing as Kostaltyn compared to playing as Katarin.
Haven't tried Kostaltyn yet. But the Boris Ursus campaign has been painful. I actually chose to pack my bags and go south to capture Praag. That made a big difference.
I find this campaign very difficult as you said it if you are not rushing to defeat Azazel he and the other multiple enemies around will get very strong and it will get out of hand.
Please upload the Khorne stream from yesterday. I couldn't watch live but have been looking forward to it ever since the first episode ended. I heard there was some drama so I'm worried you decided not to upload it.
Okay but where is the actual review of the campaign? This was just 5 minutes of giving a step by step tutorial on how to beat the early game with Kostaltyn.
My experience playing Kostaltyn in Immortal Empires can be summerized with: "What the fuck is going on? Azazel, fuck off back to your corner, give me my settlement back. Throgg, take a shower man, all my lords already have your defeat trait. WHERE DID THE RATS COME FROM?!?! Katarin, you heathen, what are you doing? Wulfrik, not you as well, please go away. WHY ARE THE EMPIRE SETTLEMENTS GONE AND HAVE NURGLE CORRUPTION. Sigvald, Be'lakor, don't you have better things to do than march all the way to Erengrad?!" This went on till the endgame crisis appeared, which in this case was the undead horde. Fun times, will re-do it once the Legendary Hero drops
Are these videos supposed to be this narrow concrete? :D just wonder. I thought you would be more general, something like " You have 1 or 2 precise strats to make your life easier, otherwise Costaltyn is harder of the pack to play)
I would definitely like to hear about how to do Kislev’s economy, because my friends and I are in the “trash economy” camp. Like, genuinely would love for us to be disproven.
yes, unless you use the supporter buildings in conjunction with one of the Commandments (supporters for battles, levels or cities taken.) I find it best to build buildings as Kostaltyn (to get Patriarchs) and the levels/cities with Katarin.
@@planomathandscience Thanks! I guess it doesn't matter too much given what Legend says later on in this video but this is good to know I'm not missing something major.
I do this same process but without the 3rd army playing L/VH. It is very doable as long as you make good use of your fast units to minimize losses in early game battles. Not gonna lie. I did lose my patriarch once but easy enough to replace.
Well, the thing is, if you let the other faction win, you lose the opportunity to confederate them this way. Even if you end up finishing the race later, and you wouldn't be able to get the greatest milestone bonus the race can offer since it would have been gained by the other faction. As such, it's still really worth doing the race. The in-game instructions implies that confederation option is lost once the race is lost. But I'm not sure if it does completely lock all confederation options with the rival faction. If it does, then it's even more important to win the race.
I could not agree more with the Kislev economy. It is okay early on, but as you grow if you spam out farms and markets the multipliers will add up. I also find maintaining an absurd amount of supporters/devotion tends to help with control particularly in newly conquered provinces.
I enjoy the content overall but these strike me more s guides than reviews "the first ones were reviews" I'd actually love some longer form reviews of each campaign. Maybe talk about what's good what's bad, what units are balanced/unbalanced. What factions need a rework and possible things that could be done. It might not be your type of content but I'd enjoy it
Legend, these reviews have completely devolved into guides. "Go here, do that, this is optimal". "This is a good skill, this is a bad skill". Whereas a review is when you tell how fun it is, how much challenge, how interesting the lord/race mechanics are etc. I understand people who want guides, but personally I don't care for them, but I do like to know what the campaign is like before investing 10 hours in it.
In my campaign as Konstaltyn Kislev was destroyed by turn 10, (Kislev city is owned by Drycha), in every direction good guys were beaten badly or destroyed as well
4 to 5 armies of total trash though. Either encamp or be in a settlement. Besides WH2 Eshin, early Skaven are total pushovers. Be aggressive, get a few Armored Kossars for better holding and your regular Kossars melt whatever Throt can throw at you in the first 10-20 turns. Get an Ice Witch hero ASAP.
You can become a vassal in Total War: Three Kingdoms and really pull off some cheesy or clever moves. I, playing as Ma Teng who has factionwide income bonuses for silk resources, accepted becoming a vassal of Dong Zhou. He paid me in items (By Sigmar, I wish we could trade items in WH3), trade agreement, cash and a silk settlement. I disbanded my armies, spent a few turns building up cash and settlements, and no one declared war because that would mean war with one of the strongest early game factions in 3K. Then when I had a strong force, I got my neighbor to pay me to break my vassal status and bumrushed my former master's wounded armies and undefended settlements. It's not Crusader Kings level of shenanigans but 3K has some really fun diplomacy gameplay if you put in the effort.
That is pretty cool! I'm hoping some mods or updates to TW3, for that to happen. It would be super fun with something like that even if it would be less deep mechanics wise.
As a long time Kislev fan every single aspect of annoys me. His gameplay, his lore, the mechanics, everything. I would go as far as say that i "hate" him, but out of all the lords and heroes in Warhammer he is the one that annoys me more than anyone. I really wish we could have an execution option when we win the race as Katarin or Boris.
Kostaltyn should Buff much more the kossar units. It would be very interesting to play a campaing based in those troops, but with the little impact he gives, it is just worthless
Their economy is one of few good ones for the Order factions in vanilla gameplay. Wish the Empire and Dwarfs would get a second glance at their economy.
Kislev is pretty fun, very plain but I do like them. It’s that trash ass faction mechanic that really lets them down and the absolute DOG SHIT they call magic lol
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Legend, there is one thing with racing mechanic that is worth to note: If one of factions get the milestone buff, the other cannot receive it. So technically harming your opponent does "nothing" it is there to assure that player is able to get the highest tier, and is not locked out of its benefits.
interesting, did not know that. Pretty easy to beat the AI though.
Seconding this. A newer player may also easily lose the race if they don't take to building the supporter-gaining shrines early on, which is really important to secure the victory over the AI (imo makes more of a difference than anything else). You can also lose supporters quite a bit if you war with sibling Kislev factions, which happened often in both of my Tzarina playthroughs.
Getting those supporter shrines is really important imo and might not be obvious to a newer player who might prioritize general econ buildings over.
good information. didn't know this. I've never lost the race before. My opponent has gotten to the first tier before me but that was it.
This felt like an old style survival campaign thoroughly enjoyed it.
I once played Kostaltyn. I secured Erengrad and Azazel's tower and the land between, then sailed Kostaltyn off to bring the holy word of Ursun to the world. Colonizing and crusading in random places. It was the funniest campaign I've done.
I converted the heathens of Albion and the Dark Elf menace. They trembled at the sight of Ursun's prophet.
A racing mechanic should've been given to the Empire or Cathay. There's elector counts rivaling each other or dragon twins doing the same thing.
While for Kislev this entire "civil war" idea sounds completely nonsensical giving the lore and circumstances. Like, Boris founded the Orthodoxy and suddenly, after his death, it doesn't recognize his own daughter as a rightful ruler, despite frost mages proving to be country's founders and savours for many centuries? Sure, why not fight each other when Chaos is already at your doorstep?
It's like they didn't know where to put Hector & Paris mechanic from Troy and ended up deciding on Kislev by rock, paper, scissors or something.
from my understanding a big part of the issue is that Katarin herself generally follows the older faiths that Boris tried to get rid of, as a result she's generally held up as an icon and figurehead for everyone that would already be the Great Orthodoxy's enemies, that's why there's such a big schism between them.
it's nothing against Katarin specifically, or against the Ice Witches (they just happened to almost all side with her), it's that they're all following the old faiths that Boris specifically made the Great Orthodoxy to get rid of. them fighting Katarin over this is basically just a misapplication of their intended purpose.
It's a common trope in media and real life where people fight among themselves instead of focusing on the greater danger outside their borders. It was basically the entire plot of Game of Thrones.
@@Lark88 and modern politics.
@@Lark88 Hard to call it a trope when it happens in real life everyday :p But yeah, I get you.
You should cover Alberic de Bordeleaux, his new start position makes his campaign so much more interesting than in 2, and he also received a buff to his faction effects, so it actually feels like it does something now. Honestly when I finally tried him in IE, I was surprised by how much fun I had.
he will cover all
@@miloradlukic9277 I know, but in the video he says to comment who we want him to cover next
@@martinarsnes3748 As fast as he can do these videos, he probably already has the next few ready to go. Plus more comments helps him with the algorithm
"i am Kostaltyn" - Kostaltyn
Rakarth next maybe?
I 2nd that motion
I'm not the greatest Dark Elf player but I love Rakath. There's something that's just so cool of having an army of big monsters that isn't a Lizardmen army (though I love them too).
I love Rakarth I just wish you didnt have to rely on raiding to get consistent monsters. He shouls really have a marketplace similar to how throt can invest resources in his lab to get monsters.
Award winner for best comb over right here
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Love that you mentioned the patriarch doomstack in this one. I think if you mentioned more on possible doomstacks or army makeups in early game mid game late game would be very beneficial to new players and veterans alike
For those that are curious:
Early game: Just spam basic kossars. Maybe pick up a few armored kossars if you want/can afford them. Legend doesn't like them very much, but I find them to be pretty good at bursting down enemies before they charge into you for a solid HP advantage for your frontline units. They also do OK vs armor and are pretty good at killing lords/heroes when focus-firing. *Stay away from dervishes, they are arguably the worst unit in the game.*
Mid game: Pick up a few strelsi if you're going against armored or low-entity count units. Light war sleds are also very good so long as you can maintain a speed advantage and can be cost effective with Ice Court traits + blue line. Tsar guard are a bit too costly at this point; you could get about 3 regular kossars or 2 armored kossars for the same price and they're not going to be much more effective at fighting what you're facing at this point. It's much better to have another army to cover more ground than to have tsar guards. A couple of winged lancers might be useful in some situations for harassing enemy artillery since you won't be able to counter them with your own little groms until T4.
Late game: You can run full light war sled stacks, ice guard stacks + 2 little groms, Tsar Guard + strelsi + little grom mixed army, and war bear rider stacks (expensive unless commanded by Boris but damn near impossible to lose with 1-2 healing patriarchs). Kislev has a pretty good economy so long as you focus on resources that boost farm/market income globally and iron for global upkeep reduction.
@@TheBoxGhost_tm Oh, you couldn't be more wrong about Dervishes. They're not shock cav and anyone using them like that is just playing poorly. Use them like Vampire Counts Wolves or Drycha's doggos to harass and divide armies. They get frenzy which isn't too bad, they're very fast so they're good at capturing points in a settlement battle, can out run almost everything you face in the early game, besides Azazel's cav if he has any and will lose to them, and can run down fleeing/broken units. The worst unit in the game is still Bretonnia's Peasant Mob or Orc Boys.
@@mandu6665 Or you can recruit the archer variant and do the exact same thing while having a ranged attack.
I wonder if it would make sense, if the opponent (no matter who you play as) finishes the race first, you would get an event in which you can pick:
1) Become their Military Ally and gain some considerable debuffs (showing that you're their bitch now, since they won)
2) or declaring war on the other faction
in both cases you would loose previous bonuses from the race mechanic and gain them back at max. only if other faction is wiped off the map. Confederation would be impossible and if you picked path 1) and at some point decide "that's enough", you would keep the debuff until you defeat other faction.
More intractability in general would be highly beneficial. Especially the inability to declare war. Pair it with a hefty de buff to devotion, but this is a civil war, let us fight it if we want.
I fucking tortured myself learning how to play this campaign. Im new to this game, and out of the few armies Ive played I would DEFINETELY say this one was the hardest. I restarted after turn 5 like 5 times before figuring out that EVERYONE AROUND YOU HATES YOU. Not to mention his early game units are garbage. I basically did what this guy said to do, except I chose to target the skaven first over dealing with Azazel. If you go for Azazel first, you'll immediately be at war with 2 factions (Azazel's ally has settlements to your immediate west). Capturing the 2 ruins next to Zoisheck (or w/e the fuck its called) gives u a buffer zone against the other hostile factions to the north.
I would also mention to recruit the ice court mages asap, the spells really help in the tough battles you'll have to fight (esp vs Azazel, his army is full of melee and people who charge, have fun trying to kite him without ice spells). Diplomacy is a MUST imo. I found it worth to establish diplomatic relations with all the empire factions for trade, as your early game economy is downright depressing (takes several settlements/provinces to establish an actual income).
Save your devotion to decrease the Ice Court's supporters as much as possible (Ice Court has a SHITLOAD of buffs that makes her outpace how fast you can farm support).
Remember, for the early game you aren't really trying to expand as you are trying to SURVIVE. You have multiple hostile factions the north, west and skaven to your east. Your 2 starting settlements can be easily flanked and raided due to it being on water (ASK ME HOW I KNOW :D).
Hope my ted talk helps somebody, because playing through it as a newbie was like rubbing my balls with a cheese grater.
I really liked Kostaltyn's campaign in ROC. It was my first time playing Kislev and it was hard. Now i'm in my second Kislev campaign with Katarin and i also unlocked her father by doing the quest mission. It is so much easy with her starting location and army buffs to Ice Guard. Orthodoxy FTW :)
beeing under attack by 3 wocs, their vassals, demon prince, and other shit while doing rifts. All this with a tier 1 cossak army.
@@diogovieira5563 I had one full army for Kostaltyn and a 15 unit secondary army. They eat and drink snow, faith is all they needed to bring Ursun back from the dead ! aka i had a negative income for the first 50 turns or so :)
@@drupiROM my kostaltyn didnt obeyed my commands. He refused all slaneshs pusy gifts. He told him to shove his sword. Even Ursun would taken that.
I played Katarin as my first ROC playthrough. While I did great at the start, eventually taking the entire Kislev area, the campaign went on and more rifts opened and the demon armies go more challenging. I had to constantly throw back invasions from the north by Norsca or Demon factions, I lost territory to rift armies or armies to my campaign in the South, helping the Empire, and continued to be driven back deeper in to my own territory. By the final turns, I was making a desperate last stand, holding on to only three provinces, while I sent Katarin in to the Realms of Chaos to secure the Forge of Souls. I found it very tense and exciting, personally. I know the ROC campaign is hated by a lot of people, but I found the "race against time" mechanic to be enjoyable, and it forced me to do something else other than just press auto resolve in every battle after turn 80 or so.
@@kwdblade4683 I like the ROC campaign too. And you don't need to be the first tot gather all four souls. If the AI dose it, you can battle them before they undertake the final mission, just like you could in the Vortex campaign from TWH 2.
There lived a certain man in Kislev long ago
KO KO KOSTALTYN, KISLEV BIGGEST WAR MACHINE
I really love this series. It gives me the chance to look at some legendary lords and their mechanics, that I just never had the motivation to play.
I was wondering how Gor-Rok is doing now, could you review him next, or maybe soon?
Keep it up :)
Kostaltyn in the thumbnail looks like a Klingon... well, he always looks like a Klingon anyways...
I really like Kislev campaigns. I don't think their economy is bad. You can make a lot of cash with the right tech, trade partners, and buildings. I also like how all of their units are pretty strong even on legendary (well maybe except for the horse cavalry)
Their economy is fine. People complaining about that are just playing poorly or trying to run a Strelsi stack by turn 10. As you said, loads of trade partners, good amount of loot from battles, sack, they can get a lot of construction discounts iirc, quite a few nearby ports, and their starting units are super cost effective. I've played both Kislev factions in ROC and IE and never had money problems. Their major settlements are money makers and once you take out Throt and your neighboring major threats, there are some prime spots in the South to take from either Festus or Vlad.
"Legend of Tellyboy here" Best yet YT subs... best yet.
Rah rah Kostaltyn enemy of the Kislev Queen
I'm pretty sure that using Supporter Actions to lower the rival's support lets you gain the benefit of the missed milestone, but I don't know if the milestones stack or just give you the bonus of that level. So if you miss the first milestone, it may not matter because you'll get the max rank benefit regardless.
but the issue is having them WHILE getting to max. Would be nice if, you know, the game told you what you had...
Ahh my favorite legendary lord
did the supporter race changed in the meantime? i remember at the beginning legend saying that you have to be first to the milestones or you're not getting the bonuses (in some of first streams perhaps? but i remember this information), and i didn't question it bcos it made sense, yk. why frame something as a race when other faction's progress makes no difference to the player. it's nice to know it's *not* a race
Yeah, in his first Katarin campaign in RoC. But that's because it seemed you had to be there first.
Did we do balthasar GELT yet?
i did a campaign with him the other day, and the rush technique is no jopke, neither are his Kossar buffs. I didnt take your steps but actuallly Auto'd him on turn 8 lol. Then demolished Thrott a few turns later. The secret for me was in the kossar horse archers and the sled. Its so easy to kite them and even after the nerfs, the sled still rocks in chariot mode. Ppl who say their economy is poor, are probably not using Kossars effectively. Tempest and Ice are literally built for checkerboard, and Ice is god tier for blobs, whether its leopards or bears or patriarchs.They moved the tech around in IE so you can boost those kossars right from the off.
I leaned in to Armoured kossar great weapons early and usually have them on the front line, a few streltsi placed how you place your empire rifles, then a checkerboard behind. Works like a dream if you have the horse archers confusingf the Ai. Also Dahl's brazier is his real main weapon. even though its blue, the effect is purplpe and its easy to see why.
what happened to the "let there be skulls" vod part 2?
I'd like to know aswell
I love this series. Really appreciate the longer videos as the series goes on. Patiently waiting for Drycha!
Different approach is instead of pushing north after you defeat rebel faction is to go south. Just south is Ostland with a gold mine so take their territory. Yes you'll have some empire factions be mad at you but you can research the tech to increase empire relationship and/or after taking Ostland keep pushing south and fight Festus and maybe give back some territory he took.
With that you should have a strong ally to the south who with no Festus to deal with will take care of the vampires and drych so you can focus back on the north but with some territory you actually want and with some more funds.
In my opinion he has the easiest start position for a Kislev faction. Also Erengrad is a city caravans go to so other than starting with the city who can develop the best economy with (harbor, market, and unique building which increases income) you have guys who just show up and give you money.
Excellent makes me want to play as him now. Very easy to follow instructions.
Z in Zoishenk sounds like z in “zorro”. Legend, this is not Cathay city :)
Honestly, as an admittedly average or below average player, I personally find Kostaltyn to be...if not the easiest, then the least stressful of the Kislev campaigns when it comes to IE. Starting with one of the big three cities instead of starting with only minor settlements is a major boost, and because he has (admittedly minor) global buffs for your early tier units, it's kind of easy to just crap stack early on. Just take out Azazel early then fight Throt while keeping a stack in Azazel's tower to fend of Throgg's inevitable assaults is both fun and means you'll generally be swimming in Devotion.
Also, I have no idea why, but Ostland seems less "Attack Kislev" happy when playing as Kostaltyn compared to playing as Katarin.
@legendoftotalwar thank you for your videos! Will you upload the Khorn stream part 2?
Hell yeah, brother.
This tactical approach for the first rounds also works wonders for Morathis beginning, 'cept that takes out Ss'ildra Tor
A Vampire Coast faction next? Noctilus or Cylostra perhaps?
Played him for my second campaign on the game and the crazy old man is really fun and pretty powerful, even Skarbrand should be afraid 😅
Haven't tried Kostaltyn yet. But the Boris Ursus campaign has been painful. I actually chose to pack my bags and go south to capture Praag. That made a big difference.
These vids are great, awesome job Legend!
Can you do khalida
I find this campaign very difficult as you said it if you are not rushing to defeat Azazel he and the other multiple enemies around will get very strong and it will get out of hand.
Malus Darkblade review plaese
Why is he stop streaming again???🤨🤨🤨
This is one of my favorites in the series I'm absolutely going to give this one a shot
Please upload the Khorne stream from yesterday. I couldn't watch live but have been looking forward to it ever since the first episode ended. I heard there was some drama so I'm worried you decided not to upload it.
Betrayers,betrayes all around !! 😂
Okay but where is the actual review of the campaign? This was just 5 minutes of giving a step by step tutorial on how to beat the early game with Kostaltyn.
>Patriach Doomstacks
So what you're saying is Kostaltyn is basically the 4chan faction
some kislev children fleed with a group of dark elfs. They were afraid of patriach doomstacks.
As someone who just recently got the game and starting a Realms of Chaos Kislev campaign, the clarification about the "race" is so reassuring to hear!
My experience playing Kostaltyn in Immortal Empires can be summerized with:
"What the fuck is going on? Azazel, fuck off back to your corner, give me my settlement back. Throgg, take a shower man, all my lords already have your defeat trait. WHERE DID THE RATS COME FROM?!?! Katarin, you heathen, what are you doing? Wulfrik, not you as well, please go away. WHY ARE THE EMPIRE SETTLEMENTS GONE AND HAVE NURGLE CORRUPTION. Sigvald, Be'lakor, don't you have better things to do than march all the way to Erengrad?!" This went on till the endgame crisis appeared, which in this case was the undead horde. Fun times, will re-do it once the Legendary Hero drops
Are these videos supposed to be this narrow concrete? :D just wonder. I thought you would be more general, something like " You have 1 or 2 precise strats to make your life easier, otherwise Costaltyn is harder of the pack to play)
yes
Alarielle or Balthasar Gelt next pleeease
dude come on... why are you all yelling diffrent lord? look at the comments...
@@donkarnage6986 LOL, when I wrote the comment I only saw one other suggestion in the comments xD, so what is ur problem?
I would definitely like to hear about how to do Kislev’s economy, because my friends and I are in the “trash economy” camp. Like, genuinely would love for us to be disproven.
Legend of teleboy 😂😂
Araneesa next please
It seems that no matter which Kislev campaign I play, my rival Kislev faction out does me in devotion even early game. Is this normal?
yes, unless you use the supporter buildings in conjunction with one of the Commandments (supporters for battles, levels or cities taken.) I find it best to build buildings as Kostaltyn (to get Patriarchs) and the levels/cities with Katarin.
@@planomathandscience Thanks! I guess it doesn't matter too much given what Legend says later on in this video but this is good to know I'm not missing something major.
I do this same process but without the 3rd army playing L/VH. It is very doable as long as you make good use of your fast units to minimize losses in early game battles. Not gonna lie. I did lose my patriarch once but easy enough to replace.
How about covering some of the ratfolks....give the rats some loooooove....
cheers
Skrolk is the only Skaven he didn't already cover.
skrolk next pls
Well, the thing is, if you let the other faction win, you lose the opportunity to confederate them this way. Even if you end up finishing the race later, and you wouldn't be able to get the greatest milestone bonus the race can offer since it would have been gained by the other faction. As such, it's still really worth doing the race. The in-game instructions implies that confederation option is lost once the race is lost. But I'm not sure if it does completely lock all confederation options with the rival faction. If it does, then it's even more important to win the race.
I could not agree more with the Kislev economy. It is okay early on, but as you grow if you spam out farms and markets the multipliers will add up. I also find maintaining an absurd amount of supporters/devotion tends to help with control particularly in newly conquered provinces.
Raaaaaaah!
I enjoy the content overall but these strike me more s guides than reviews "the first ones were reviews" I'd actually love some longer form reviews of each campaign. Maybe talk about what's good what's bad, what units are balanced/unbalanced. What factions need a rework and possible things that could be done. It might not be your type of content but I'd enjoy it
Sup legend
❤
Gor-Rok next please!
I would Love If you seperate the Reviews and the Guides Into 2 Videos :)
Legend, these reviews have completely devolved into guides. "Go here, do that, this is optimal". "This is a good skill, this is a bad skill". Whereas a review is when you tell how fun it is, how much challenge, how interesting the lord/race mechanics are etc.
I understand people who want guides, but personally I don't care for them, but I do like to know what the campaign is like before investing 10 hours in it.
In my campaign as Konstaltyn Kislev was destroyed by turn 10, (Kislev city is owned by Drycha), in every direction good guys were beaten badly or destroyed as well
Just do the first 20 turns series again Legend XD You know you want to! Ok maybe not...but we do :)
Ha, tower of crack.
Malagor
haha tower of crack
I hope kislev gets another dlc they're fun but like unit options
The issue isn't Azazel, as Legend intimates, it's Throt. 4-5 armies after a few turns and that damned ambush.
4 to 5 armies of total trash though. Either encamp or be in a settlement. Besides WH2 Eshin, early Skaven are total pushovers. Be aggressive, get a few Armored Kossars for better holding and your regular Kossars melt whatever Throt can throw at you in the first 10-20 turns. Get an Ice Witch hero ASAP.
Tiqtaqto please
I think it would be cool to be vassalized or confederated, kinda like a grand strategy game. But I suppose I could always just play CK3
You can become a vassal in Total War: Three Kingdoms and really pull off some cheesy or clever moves. I, playing as Ma Teng who has factionwide income bonuses for silk resources, accepted becoming a vassal of Dong Zhou. He paid me in items (By Sigmar, I wish we could trade items in WH3), trade agreement, cash and a silk settlement. I disbanded my armies, spent a few turns building up cash and settlements, and no one declared war because that would mean war with one of the strongest early game factions in 3K. Then when I had a strong force, I got my neighbor to pay me to break my vassal status and bumrushed my former master's wounded armies and undefended settlements. It's not Crusader Kings level of shenanigans but 3K has some really fun diplomacy gameplay if you put in the effort.
That is pretty cool! I'm hoping some mods or updates to TW3, for that to happen. It would be super fun with something like that even if it would be less deep mechanics wise.
htf am i supposed to conquer "the tower" by turn 4 without a siege attacker unit?!?
Kostaltyn has siege attacker
They ought to make it so the AI declares war on you if it gets to the end first.
Why did they have to make him look like he's on day 0 of nofap?
They really should change the supporter mechanic. It feels really underdeveloped
As a long time Kislev fan every single aspect of annoys me.
His gameplay, his lore, the mechanics, everything.
I would go as far as say that i "hate" him, but out of all the lords and heroes in Warhammer he is the one that annoys me more than anyone. I really wish we could have an execution option when we win the race as Katarin or Boris.
Maybe the supporter system would have worked better if the other faction winnig meant you cannot confederate them
Kostaltyn should Buff much more the kossar units. It would be very interesting to play a campaing based in those troops, but with the little impact he gives, it is just worthless
yea you should probably lose if the other faction finishes the race faster, what is this baby mode
Their economy is one of few good ones for the Order factions in vanilla gameplay. Wish the Empire and Dwarfs would get a second glance at their economy.
Dwarfs and Empire both have good economies. Tons of landmarks and potential trade partners, too.
Kislev is pretty fun, very plain but I do like them. It’s that trash ass faction mechanic that really lets them down and the absolute DOG SHIT they call magic lol
it was my first warhammer 3 faction. I though: "What the fuck did they do with magic in this game?"
Please continue not covering Boris, Legend.
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