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- 1970 Documentary by Australian journalist John Pilger with interviews with disillusioned Vietnam conscript soldiers - part 1
part 1 - • The Quiet Mutiny (1970...
part 2 - • The Quiet Mutiny (1970...
part 3 - • The Quiet Mutiny (1970...
I was there in 1966 and 1970, and you can believe everything in this video. What I can't believe is that we did it to ourselves again in 2003.
The Vietnam war was an illegal and immoral war . The Vietnamese didn’t want to be a French colony or an American satellite either . They wanted an independent nation .
Where were you in 1966?
Cold North a student in Australia 🇦🇺
@@brianambrosemcmahon8531 ok cool, but my question was directed to the guy who said was in 'nam in 1966 :)
@@Twenty4Eagle Jon Lasher 1966/1967 with 9th ID in the Mekong Delta...totally without professional leadership
"3 months here and i still don't know why im shooting these people" now that's deep and real as can be!
Just trying to stay alive
It’s sad because there was a just cause as South Vietnam doesn’t exist anymore. Can you imagine if North Korea successfully took over South Korea? Many South Vietnamese fled to America after the war but I’m sure most would prefer to live in a South Vietnam.
Sure it's real, Adrian A. You shoot to survive, simple as that. Kill or be killed, just like the law of the jungle -- eat or be eaten, same thing applies. They want to kill you and you want to survive, and when you are frightened and think you're going to die, you WILL shoot to stay alive!
@@rogerdavies6226 Absolutely correct!
@@saucejohnson9862 North Viet Nam was going into the south and wantonly killing people right and left, backed by large communist countries. The NVA brainwashed the South Vietnamese people abused them, killed them, the ARVN had little experience that would counter the North’s military strength. An American input was clearly needed. JFK was the one who initiated our involvement in that war. He was concerned about communist Cuba and didn't want to see communist nations grow and spread to other countries.
I was in the infantry in Vietnam, 71-72. When I came home to the USA and got married, my wife put a stop to me eating cold beans directly out of the can. She civilized me by making me remove the beans from the can and heat them up in a pot on the stove before eating them. To this day, I still spread tons of mustard and hot peppers on my hamburgs and sandwiches. People who were in the field (down range or bush) will know what I'm talking about.
thank you Sir
Aint nothin wrong with cold beans brother.
And your point really is....?? You shouldn't have been in Vietnam in the first place and writing BS comments about beans. I resisted the Draft in 1970 b/c I saw the utter foolishness of that war that year. Where was your head at in 71-72? Dreaming about eating beans out of a can?
I want to taste the hamburg... I'm glad you're still enjoying it sir
Served in Vietnam, good soldiers, bad leaders. Bad politics.
Agreed... It wasn't the fault of the soldiers... We never should have been there, but during that time, "we" actually trusted and believed our government... now we know better.
My thanks to all who served.
LBJ and his generals lied to get us in. Then Nixon lied to keep us in. Bad leaders.
Luigi Raimondo Pomo
Glad we came to the rescue and you all aren’t speaking German now hero
Thank you for your service
RIP Cpl Carris Michael Francis USMC KIA 3/24/1970 only 18 years old.
I pulled my tour in 70 around the La Drang valley. I ran guns in Black Horse Air Helos. We ran missions everyday and were fired on everyday. I could really walk those 50s. Wild days. Nobody misses the rounds going close by or the shrapnel wounds but man flying and fighting was the $$$$. Don.t know how I made it. Only shot down once but we made it back to the LZ we had just dropped in and crashed there. Not injured and with a squad, pretty lucky.
I was 16 in '70....watching this thing come closer and closer to me from age 9, watching dead Marines piled on tailgates of APCs during dinnertime, watching the endless stream of bags and boxes coming home, waiting for the end, waiting for my number to come up in the draft, watching LBJ with " a heavy heart" committing 60,000 more to a war that could never be won, fueled by the lies of Robert McNamara, waiting for this government to retrieve its soul from the fucking gutter which to this day has never happened.
Now we veterans & countrymen are watching the f@#king politicians causing yet more divisions in our America. Sickening
How’s 2023? treating you Dan. Hope you are well.
@@70stunes71 not just politicians, let's bea bit more specific.:
Who denied covid's existence for 7 months?
Who promoted nonsense cures for covid?
Who promoted anti-vaccine information?
Who claimed the election was stolen?
Who claimed there would be a wall at the southern border?
Who tried to overthrow the government January 6th?
Who smeared shit on the walls of the Capitol building?
Who started the Obama birther conspiracy?
Who claimed China would pay tariffs? (they DON'T)
Who wanted tariffs on "Canadian cars"? (Name one).
Who has been denying climate change?
WHO is driving the division you rightfully speak of?
@@hello-ii5lh well I made it to 69. So, it's OK.
Great post. I was older than you and remember things as you did. That F'ing Draft Lottery system was evil.
I left Vietnam September 1969; the wheels were coming off; Drugs were use; racial tensions were at the boiling point; America's military was the closest to Anarchy that I ever saw.
Thank you, for your service !
Mr. Combs, in your opinion, what ended the war? Was it pressure brought to bear on politicians or was it the non-willingness of the soldiers, finally, to fight?
"Your" report about "the wheels coming off" was repeated by many. I ran a gauntlet of returned friends and vets I did not know telling me that I did not want to be involved with the ARMY and Vietnam, and I had a choice since the draft just ended. Final lecture came from a just returned US Air Force MP, he convinced me, and got me a job the next day.
Robby Combs WOW THAT HAD TO BE SCARY. BUT I'M POSITIVE THAT YOU WERE THE KIND OF MAN THAT NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF PEOPLE AS THIS OR THAT. MY HAT OF TO YOU. AND I APPLAUD YOUR SERVICE AND ABSOLUTE GIANT OF A STANCE ON SPEAKING THE TRUTH. PEACE AND PROSPERITY TO YOU AND YOURS MY FRIEND.
Thank you, and God bless you Sir.
War is mass boredom interspersed with moments of pure panic
90% Bordem 10% terror
Very well put sir
Roger Davies: You are not the first one to utter those words, but it's been that way in ALL Wars, from the very first one. But, the more advanced our scientific technology progresses, the more damage our war equipment and ordnance will do. No country with any sense at all wants a nuclear war. The older leaders see that but the younger leaders do not. Hopefully they won't have to learn the hard way. (E.g., we could wipe out the whole country of North Korea with one simple bomb. And getting into a bunker 300' below earth will NOT stop our penetrating weapons of today.) Never push America into a war, for they will be sorry! Russia and China realize that, but the smaller communist countries don't seem to realize that. NK's KJ-u is very young for a leader, impetuous and daring, but it could be his undoing!)
My Dad was a LIFER… had 12 years in when he was wounded on his second tour with 5th Group , II Corp Mike Force, 1968. Retired in in 1985 with 29 years , 25 years on Airborne status, 20 years in Special Forces. So there’s lifers and then there’s LIFERS, there is a difference.
Really good video. Thanks for taking the time to put it up for me and everyone else. It's always nice to find videos of History.
the pentagon hides in the rear and sends someones child to die for them
You're foolish. Military people follow orders. Lay the blame at the intellectual inability of LBJ & RM + their micromanagement of the military. Military generals warned JFK, then LBJ to not get involved in a land war in Asia, dating back to JFK's gaining POTUS! JFK put the U.S.A. in RVN, JFK authorized the assassination of Diem (then JFK was himself killed 21 days later). So LBJ took over and RM, Sect. of Defense, played LBJ like a fiddle.
Frank Woodward
McNamara was controlling a lot.
The politicians. Evil demons from hell. Their sons didn't die in vietnam they all ended up in the National Guard. A two hour meeting once a month and two week at summer camp. There it is.
@@donlomax4373 At least we know where Satan is the pentagon .
To Hump just means to carry. Some guy says that they’re all out they’re on the trail humping, he’s referring to carrying all their stuff.
Man, you’ll never get a straight response out of that one.
What did the term “rope smoking” mean?
Chris H Hemp rope. Rope made from cannabis.
I used to drive a 1996 Chevy Z71 ext. Cab.
Now, I *Hump* it on my back.
NatTheKiwi no humping was carrying your gear while humping up that hill mile after mile.....0331 Machine Gunner USMC
I was a combat grunt that served with the 3/506th airborne in 1968. Our morale was good. I did not experience the bitterness the grunts of 1970 talk about. We beat the enemy during the Tet Offensive. My squad leader, Stephen Cook, has written a book, "Don't Cry For Us, Saigon," which is well worth the read. He gives an accurate assessment of the war that we won. It was the South Vietnamese army and the traitorous politicians with their news media that lost it two years later after our military left. Any bitterness I have encountered from the "Viet Nam era" grunt usually comes from a "wannabe" syndrome. Only one out of twelve soldiers out of the 2.7 million whoever was even in the country during this ten-year war ever saw any combat.
Journalists were limited to how far they could go into the unsafe zones.
Another factoid: there were more volunteers for Viet Nam than there were for World War II.
McSorley makes a great case in his book "A Better War" that, like you allude to, the war was won largely by 1970 after Abrams took over. The VC were decimated by Tet and played little part in the VN's government in 1975. The NVA after disastrous miniTets and the Easter offensive, only gained the upper hand over the ARVN after the US left and they were incredulously allowed to remain in SVN according to the Paris Peace accords.
I appreciate your service, Currahee, especially your time in Vietnam. I was 1-506 (Korea, 1994).
I was there in 1966 and 1967. The animosity wasn't as harsh then. There was still hope. Hope that it would end soon. The drug abuse, the morbid hopelessness, that came a little later when it all lasted all too long.
Absolutely correct. What I heard in 66-67 was the joke "Sorry about that, chief." In 1970 what I heard wasn't a joke but a sad answer to any complaint: "There it is."
Hard to believe it will be 50 years this August 2019 since I arrived at Cam Ranh Bay. Just hours before I arrived, the 6th Convalescent Hospital at Cam Ranh Bay had been attacked by sappers. Aaaah, the memories. The first time I seen a porno movie. The first time I smoked a joint and many other firsts. I was an innocent, green, wholesome boy from the cornfields of Iowa when I landed. Not so innocent, green and wholesome when I left.
dennis henry good story! Thank you for your service
Thank you for your service. I worked under two Vietnam Vets in my life. They were my bosses and you better believe I did everything they told me to do. Number 1 I did and still do respect them for their service. But they would kick your ass real quick if you argued with them. -Civilian.
January 1970 for me. Farm boy from Kansas. One hell of a way to grow up. All those were first time for me. But we made it Brother.
Thank you for sharing what an insight
Do you remember the name of the movie?
When I was a Freshman in High School in 1970 my neighbor friend and I used to get a ride home from his cousin who was a Senior. That May day when we got into Rudy's car after school he was broken down crying. He was a tough, athletic kid and we asked him "what's the matter?" Well, he had gone home for Lunch and in the Mail was his Draft Notice. 2 Weeks later Rudy graduated and by Christmas of '70 he was in Vietnam. That day in Rudy's sweet Roadrunner was a wake up call to us "boys" that we were soon to be "men"... SO Young those Soldiers were that we sent to Vietnam.
did rudy make it back home?
randy109 is he okay?
randy109 so wtf happend to ruddy then
Jesus Christ leaving us all hanging
randy109 I sell
Rudy tar heroin now Rudy Still looks the same!!!! I sell Rudy 50 💵 gram a day
Thank you veterans, you weren't asked so much as ordered to go. The way you were treated after your honorable service were protests and worse. I remember you. My small war will never compare to what You did. I love you for it. And I will forever honor you, all that served in Vietnam. Thank you.
Josh FD
Thank you!!!
you think you had itso tough...think about all the soldiers of previous war...the didn't have quick medi-vac and resupply etc.and we weren't there for the duration...I was infantry, wounded and still feel we had it better than the men with frozen feet, no food and on and on....
.@j H
@j H neither groups are particularly heroic or worthy of praise for the most part, but they should at the least get free and good healthcare after everything they went through.
Yes you were all forced to go you all. came back heros those who did not come back were heroes also,my b came back to be treated like crap once in ohio his home state ,by a bunch socialists brainwashed brats who never had a bad day in their pathetic little lives.We thank you all for your service you have our respect + gratitude wwll generation was the greatest generation and you and all others are also,it is a shame that we cannot say that about most of our bumbling leaders who want to go. The way of socialist marxist agenda for which you all fought so bravely against which is completely against what the last four wars were against before that.
dropping leaflets is just giving the enemy free toilet paper
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unless you splash the leaflets with caustic soda before you drop them.....
YOU remember
You may not know it, our soldiers can use the leaves as toilet paper ;)))
@@Trungnguyen-ju5qy No man. Viet Cong soldiers used warmongers' capitalist souls as toilet paper.
I guess for what we had to endure as grunts I was extremely fortunate. My platoon leader had done a tour as a grunt, went back home, went to officers candidate school, came back as our platoon leader. I remember when his 6month tour in the field was done he refused to go to the rear. Said he preferred to be with us. He knew what the hell was going on, and deflected all kinds of bullshit away from us. Hell of a good lt. We bitched about being there, but there was nothing we could do about it so we just did the best we could.
The united Vietnamese economy stagnated after 1975 until some guy by the name Doi Moi instituted capitalist free market reforms in 1986, and their economy took off like a rocket. If the North Vietnamese had not fixated on "communism", if they had said "We want to unify Vietnam as a democracy" - hell, the U.S. probably would have shipped them a billion in foreign aid, and there would have been no war with millions of lives lost. Once again, yet again, it is "communism" that is to blame.
@@davesmith5656 Actually, the NVC went to us first. They wanted a capitalist democracy, but we told them to go screw themselves because we supported their French colonizers. Because the only guys they could get help from in kicking out the French guys running their country were the goddamn communists, communism is what they ended up with.
@@davesmith5656 Ho Chi Minh tried for several years to democratize Vietnam long before the conflict started. Some of his personal heroes were American revolutionaries. The French and the Americans both refused his attempts, and this eventually led to 25 years of conflict.... He found allies in the Soviets and Chinese. Close minded westerners could have possibly avoided this if they had listened to him.
@@xisotopex ---- I'm still ambivalent about the whole thing. I support our troops, even when they disapproved of the war. But I did not like that war, either. I'm leaning to the idea that Americans MISTAKENLY thought that communism was the central goal of the North Vietnamese. Apparently, the central goal was to unify all of Vietnam. That involved ending French colonialism, and the French appealed to the U.S., and the pizza hit the fan. The U.S. apparently, in that instance, should have told the French, "Sorry ... can't talk right now."
@@davesmith5656 I think nationalism and independence were the first goals.... there is still debate about how much was ho chi minh was a communist, or a nationalist.... many think he just took the most expedient path towards that end... of course the whole story does not begin and end with just him, their were others that were definitely more fervent communists than he was. a little bit of foresight of the west, would have gone a long ways.... of course france had to be pulled out of its colonialism kicking and screaming well past when they should have realized the correct path.
It's crazy that even though I'm the same age as them now as they were in this video, they still look and sound like our parents
That wondering soul tape is so disturbing. All this research on the Vietnam War is really.. really.. getting to me. So many soldiers.
Emil Dee the 2 million civilians gets to me
Wandering Soul was one of the most effective psy ops psychological operations of the war and warfare in general. It was designed specifically to use vietnamese traditions to create a conflict: Communist ideology (atheist) vs traditional Buddhist and others beliefs. That caused friction with political commissars,a true Communist wouldn't be unsettled by superstition ,get it? some stalinist brutal political correction then you have really disgruntled soldiers,baby...Modern psy ops do similar against Islamists.
Wandering Soul in addition played(not a pun) on high casualties (aerial bombardment & MACV SOG raids) suffered by NVA units coming South through the "Ho Chi Minh Trail" network of roads and trails from North Vietnam thru the Laotian and Cambodian border with South Vietnam...then some more at the hands of US ARVN ANZAC ROK firepower.
Ya the wondering soul lmfao it is kinda disturbing eh lol take it easy man
Something you should know:
"John Richard Pilger is an Australian journalist, writer, and documentary filmmaker. He has been mainly based in Britain since 1962. Pilger is a strong critic of American, Australian, and British foreign policy, which he considers to be driven by an imperialist agenda. Wikipedia"
Pilger is 100% correct
@@stenyethanmathews945 yep.
I Volunteered from 75 to 79 1st and 10th CAV ,And the guys who stayed in were some of the finest kind .
Vietnam war was a very strange one. Kind of a changing gear of History. T'was my generation war and I as a Brazilian boy just could stare at the TV and think about all that great nonsense. It deeply affected me .
You were greatly affected by way being the war on tv form your country that’s not even involved? Lmao
@@chucknasty8090MacNamara tried to get Brazilian government involved in the Vietnam War cause that many casualties were high and I think he was right. Fighting Communism is our duty too. I would be glad to go and take my time for at the end Liberty is for us to keep.
I want to thank the Americans, who fought with my father, in Vietnam GOD BLESS YOU, your mates from Australia
Robert Harding the only US allies to show up, God bless you Aussies
@@robertbeirne9813 Thailand, South Korea, and New Zealand also aided the US in Vietnam.
Project Mayhem and bless them too. NATO... meh.
Hammerschlägen M France, NATO member
Robert Harding my asses you thanks them for killing people in villages burning they corp destroy they house and all kind of bullshit you guys made
Fascinating Documentary, giving the troops on the ground a voice, instead of the higher ranked guys who wrote the history
in country 9/66-4/68, started to reenlist until i saw our replacements.nope im goin home,then i found out how that would effect the rest of my life.i pray for my brothers!
I grew up on Pilger. I have followed and admired his gumption, to a point. The point in point being his now fully developed pathological hatred of the U.S as a thing.It's alarmingly apparent that Pilger's exposure to so much trauma, and probably unsupervised trauma at that, has had a massive impact on his nervous system and sense of reason. His increasing reliance upon Russia Today, Putin's puppet channel organ, is a testament to this notion. While he remains a decent man and a courteous one at that, with gems up his sleeve , 'tUtopia' being a recent one, i feel Pilger has made an unbreakable pact with dark forces, in the shape of Vladimir Rasputin Soprano. His frequent outbursts on RT might be a clue to the regularity of psychotic episodes, or other trauma-related reactions.
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You don't like what Pilger says, which is the truth.
@@m.a.4500
Yes, Pilger does not tow the military/industrial complex view which predominates.
Pilger is a mouthpiece for China and Russia
it seems he has rejected one type of imperialism and mistakenly accepted and replaced it with another type of imperialism. that which he espouses is no better than what he had rejected.
I was on holiday last year in Cambodia and Vietnam, talking to a taxi driver in Ho Chi Minh city the Vietnam war was mentioned , he said , and I qoute...'There was no Vietnam war, it was the American war'..unquote.
It was a war in Vietnam. That sentiment means absolutely nothing.
It was a war waged in Vietnam by America, fact.
Cambodia still has communist ideation, they are not a country but a kingdom and they were under communist control but now claim to have a more fair political party. But MANY countries do not like to see America get in wars, because we usually have allies that we are supporting and often opposing countries hate the fact that America is powerful. We help our allies win wars. There are many in Asia who do not like Americans, which makes it difficult to understand why they flock here to live! But they do like a free country! (I am leaving this site now so won't answer any comments.)
Ive been to America, Ive also been to Cambodia and Vietnam, the nicest people I met were in the latter two, all three have poverty, the former is the least safe of them all, all three worship the $, inequality exists in all of them, the former has delusions of grandeur and the latter two are still living with the influence of the former.
Tell me Charlie, how do you feel about Pol Pot? Americans had nothing to do about his butchering those Cambodians. Then, tell me how you feel about the child sex trade in SE Asia? Those governments do very little to protect their own. You took a holiday, I lived in SE Asian for 6 months in a country with a very repressive regime.
Stunning cinematography.
I was a Navy Corpsman with the First Marines Division and none of us wore love beads or had long hair like the Army people in this article. We were there to fight a war and that's what we did and nobody died on my watch.
Brian Pederson yeah, we used mess kits not dishes
So impressed ... don't remember any marines in Cambodia ...
Bill Clinton, George Bush, & Donald Trump appreciate your sacrifice.... oh wait... they don't give a fuck about you or your 80 thousand dead Brothers.
But at least Wall Street made money 💰
Most of these army troops were draftees. Marines were mostly volunteers
Go Navy , go Marines, honor, duty, fellow vet not Vietnam but fellow Navy.
I had my own "Quiet Mutiny" in 1970. I proudly resisted Vietnam/Draft in 1970. Therefore I missed the utter BS that all these damn Vietnam videos represent. It was one of THE best decisions of my life. My adult children whole heartedly agree. Validation doesn't get any higher than that.
I lived it then an now a m 60 gunner to start with then carried a m16 then became a squad leader after 6 months .. the only guy there who demanded a m 14 to carry made it 11 months 3/1 first infantry 11th brigade Americal division or 23 infantry 1969 central highlands
Wow. The 70s were great. They had real journalists. Imagine if we had real journalists today.
Super Wow; did you ever hit the nail on the head ! Keep away from the criminal CNN, MSNBC and ABC for starters.
Surprising as well cause it's a special report by the Mirror who've become a rag of a newspaper. Surprised they could afford to send a Journalist to Vietnam to be honest
By '70 these kinda journalists were already fading out. Walter Cronkite drove a stake through the heart of journalism on a rainy street in Hue in '68.
I'm glad I join the Marines, we had I Corp to worry about, the Army had 2 Corp and down to the Delta, and being under the U.S. Navy was a big plus we were Fleet Marine Force, 3rd Marine Amphibious Force.
Plenty of ARMY in I Corps.
@@arkybaldknobber8062 true that !
I was there in 1971. Camp Evans "Redskins" Company D (Attack Helicopter), 158th Aviation Battalion (Assault Helicopter), 101st Airborne Division (Airmobile). Go back there every night.
Army had better equipment and supplies
@@Jleed989 That bullshit story gets real old
"Platoon" pretty much captured the feelin' shown here.
David Carroll
Watching it isn't the same as seeing it, hearing it and above all else smelling it, trust me.
That was a movie but close if u didn't serve u will never truly know xusn
@@patrickreilly2338 STFU. We know what happened
But 1967 was not 1970...even Stone has admited that the level of morale deterioration was not like the movie,an artistic license....
it depended when where and what was your unit about,this was the period of Vietnamization,troop withdrawals, combat action declined by disengagement and by (N Vietnamese admition) high casualties and supply disruption after the Cambodian Incursion
I don't think it's such a silly idea. The last President and "Commander-in-Chief" who actually was a former commanding officer in the US army, was Eisenhower. Bush, he had a stint in the Air Texas National Guard and failed to turn up for service in Vietnam. In the US and in other countries, most previous leaders and army commanders had genuine service experience and a knowledge of the horrors of war. Maybe if Bush had served in Vietnam he would've thought more carefully about Iraq-Afghanistan.
Bush was strongly influenced by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Fleit, , and a host of other draft dodgers working at the Pentagon. Ironic that he would join the Reserves to avoid a trip to the Nam, and then activate thousands of Reservists and National Guardsmen to serve multiple tours in Iraq.
Hell the war in Iraq was planned and carried out by the bush family to take their oil production and pipe lines away from sad dam Husain after hessian kicked the bush family out of the country! To regain what they think is the bush family oil and production facilities in Iraq they had to destroy the World Trade Center and thousands of American lives in those buildings and aircraft! The pentagon was hit by a cruise missile not a aircraft , I assume to do away with officers who were going to expose bush and his murderous allies!
400,000 US troops in Vietnam in that year, only 20% were in combat. It's a surprising figure.
Simon Yip well someone had to feed them, process their pay, orders, ship their ammo and fix the war machines
Artem Morozov I understand that field forces need logistical support, but the figure of 20% actually surprised me.
Simon Yip Thats actually how it is. I am post 911 vet and can assure you that 70-80% of those sent to the sandbox never seen combat (like myself)
Simon Yip in other words vast majority of "troops" are POGs
Artem Morozov I am not American, I'm British, but I have several friends and acquaintances who were in the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the occupation afterwards. I also have a friend who fought from a PB (patrol base) at Nadi Ali in Helmand Province in Afghanistan, and also a friend who was based at a FOB (forward operating base) in Sangin District Centre and also Nahr Saraj in Helmand Province. I have been told just how dangerous and vulnerable the outlying patrolling troops are, in comparison to the rear area HQ and depot/logistics/admin/etc in the rear areas. (ps I noticed that you mentioned the 'sandpit/sandbox' which is also what the British troops call Afghanistan. I have no personal experience but I have heard some interesting and almost unbelievable from the 4 lads who I know who did serve in Iraq and Afghanistan.
My father came home from his second tour of Vietnam......but he died there! I’m here to understand,but I fear I won’t.....😞
So true . Great doct…..
BIG KUDOS for Posting this. Excellent. Forgotten truths. . .
God Bless the Grunt.
God bless ALL our men who serve, they are ALL valuable no matter how menial or high-ranked their job is, all are needed and when you lay down your life for your Country, there is NO separation of how important you are from any other warrior!!
GOD BLESS THE GENERALS AND THE POLITICIANS
@@machida58 fuck all the corrupt politicians they can all eat shit and die
I turned 20 in 1970. Celebrated it in the Central Highlands of VN out of Bong Son/Pleiku/LZ English. My birthday came and went beyond the date for 2 weeks before I realized I was a year older. A letter from home that reached me 2 weeks after the fact had reminded me when I was wished, a 'Happy Birthday'...That is how I remember being 20.
God Bless all those who served,
WELCOME HOME!
"What if they threw a war and nobody came". The truth is they did not need to go. 50,000 gave their lives away for nothing. Think about it.
John Milonas 58,220 to be exact . My uncle Danny was drafted in 67 and was killed during the Tet offensive in 68. My grandmother gave me all his letters. He was a grunt who hated what he was ordered to do. His letters tell a story of a man waiting to die. He knew he wasn’t coming home. It’s sickens me how our government fights these pointless wars
Milk as, did you even serve? Probably not, so quit giving us your rundown on what should have and what shouldn’t have happened. Most gave their lives for their buddies, not for mom, country, apple pie, or the bitch next door. Remember that the next time you decide to be heard.
Uncle Danny and the 58,219 RIP.
John Milonas 50k americans and 3-4 million vietnamese and laotian...
Dustin Smith We and I also mean me always forget that it was also Vietnam, Cam, Lao and many more nationalities beside American died Vietnam.
Hi I'm from Nagaland. Land of hills and forest which is famous for flora and fauna.
I was born in rural area but now I'm in capital pursing my studies and career
I don't know much history but by watching this video i can easily understand why America lose the war. They're trained for jungle but Vet Kongs were born in jungle
N the battle was in jungle.
I don't know how i got this video recommended but thank you❤
One of my best work buddies was from Nagaland; had never heard of t til I met him. Keep looking and learning!
Love the Anne Murray tune to set the tone!
I feel sorry for anyone conscripted to go to war, anyone that enlists knows the dangers and chooses to risk it, they have a choice, conscripts don't....
@John Rayburn there was war pigs in the first Mesopotamian civilizations.
The draft has been over for 37 years! There ARE NO MORE "conscripts" except career military (lifers) because anyone in the military later than 37 years ago, has JOINED of their own volition!
@@MJLeger-tz4so don't think that's what OP was getting at.
@@LSPD1909 Who's OP? -- we did not listen to the whole tape above. Doesn't matter, it's a valid point that needs to be considered, especially by anti-VN War dissenters! No one wants their loved ones to die in war, and certainly solders don't want to die in war either, but soldiers deserve our support for their presence in a war, whether we agree or not. True that the draft ended in 1973 and the VN war did not end until 1975, but there WERE conscientious objectors in that war who did not wish to fight, and were given jobs in many other areas OUTSIDE of field combat.
@@MJLeger-tz4so I don't disagree with any of that, I never alluded that I did. "OP" means original poster. Many Conscientious objectors still saw combat, many draftees weren't objectors but still didn't want to see combat. I don't think anyone here would not support our troops, but, We all joined for different reasons and accepted that we may not live to leave, no hurt in telling the truth.
America and their endless wars. Hey 1970, we still haven’t learned.
We've learned. Blame the U.N. because no other nation will do the dirty work. DT's correct re: Afghanistan, Iran, et al. We have no choice if you want globalization. First Bush put us in support of global economy. EU didn't do their military commitments so we had to take up the slack. We need to get out of the U.N. - make them move to an African Republic. I hope I live to see that happen; laugh, laugh, I think I'd die!. BTW, JFK put American forces in RVN to prove to Khrushchev how tough JFK was. The administration for the effort was SEATO. JFK authorized the assassination of Diem and Diem was murdered 1 Nov '63. 21 days later JFK was murdered. LBJ was POTUS. LBJ kept RSM as Sect. of Defense. Neither was intellectually qualified for their job. But, you see, no person is qualified for POTUS. We just have to play the hand we're dealt.
I couldn't be more on the same page/level as you are or say it any better. AMEN.
That wandering soul shit was awesome
Charlie in the bush at 5:00 .Where they are?? no ones knows! But they are definately there. " Im stuck here in this room getting weaker....while Charlie is out there in the bush getting stronger.." - Apocalypse Now 1979 -
The war was a failure of leadership. The soldiers knew it and still put their butts on the line, and endured the sacrifice.
Sham Timothy... You are so right! I served in Southeast Asia for almost 3 years, and in military for over 8 years!! And I did it for my great country that I am so proud of!! But our leaders usually betray us!!
the song is little snow bird by canadian anne murray
In any further wars all policy maker's children must be the first to sign up. Once the government has all their children enlisted they can ask for further volunteers.
The lack of change between troops then and now and how they look is just wild man. You could tell me this is from Afghanistan and I wouldnt even doubt it.
The green machine! Did you get it? Lots of green for those in the loop who are connected who make money off wars. Bankers, arms manufactures, politicians with brown bags, construction companies, basically it what Eisenhower described in his 1961 farewell address: the military industrial complex. Someone asked President Johnson once why he was not stopping the war? His response was classic: "Because my friends are making too much money"
Dennis Pfeifer
What it comes down to,
Money talks, Bullshit walks
I left on September 21of 68 and man we're still engaging the
NVA.No, regrets or talk about the
war.This people that caused the
problems were rear MF.They had
nothing to do but get in trouble and do drugs.Yes that's all the difference in the world.The army of today is mechanized, no more
KP. So just like the nation it's going to the dogs.
This soldiers live in a fire base and
go out in patrols.Life is easy for this soldier.As,you heard say they
are fighting the Viet Cong.
This soldier is not the grunt.The
Grunt,as I have explain before is
the soldier that lives under the jungle canopy.He has no permanent place to lay his head.
He humps the mountains everyday of the 7 day week. He makes a
perimeter everyday and digs a fox
Hole.The Grunt is an animal full of
anger and ready to fight,so he can
rest.The soldier gets up before the sun.He recovers all his stuff and is
packed and in line.The line goes up a mountain,so your body is always bented forward,cuz the tilt
of the mountain.You hear the grunts (noise ) of the soldier shifting the weight of his rucksack
to match the tilt of the mountain.
All day you shift the rucksack weight for better position better
foot traction going up the mountain.
For someone to sit on his ass in a fire base and go out,once in a while,can't call himself a Grunt
Grunt is only for killers,sufferers
of thirst and hunger.
Rahhhh. But damnnn
Me was a tunnel rat back in 1970. No awards .army was a disposable man.
Well said. I remember the misery if grunt life & death. And thirst(I Corps).
stop trolling
Which unit did you served with?
Fuck war, it's a mess. Imagine living thinking it's your last day and you're in their doing something you don't want to do and you can die any moment - might as well not be born at all
The M-16 jamming on the lads again, I see. (2:46)
Joe Coonan you could see that look ok GD the trigger is fubar
Lot of changes to the 16 after 1970. Crime lined barrel, forward assist and even different twist rate and ammo grain weight. Just when you think we have learned...we end up in another war lasting over a decade and another getting close to two decades.
@@stonebay2111 The forward bolt assist was on the 16s that we used when I was in the Army in 1969/1970 but was useless in clearing a jam. I always had to break the rifle down and field strip it to get it to function, until the next infuriating jam. The brass blamed us for not doing proper maintenance on our rifles.
I heard the M-16 had plastic parts that would jam from the heat? Is that true?
@@evaabdullahi5240 It never jammed or failed for me, and I fired thousands of rounds. We NEVER had a moral problem either. We got tired, lack of sleep, but that was about it.
I remember recording some of those PsyOps tapes in the resording studio at the Ft Benning Infantry School's recording studio. I thought it was nuts then and I was proven right.
Bob C f
John Pilger was a great Australian journalist, always an intellectual, well researched, and told it how it is, or was. Pilger most often reported the truth that the politicians did not wish for the man in the street to know. You do not get that type of reporting today. I grew up in Australia watching, listening and learning from fine reporters like him as a young adolescent while at school. It taught me to question the spin given out as mainstream news.
Man what a great documentary thanks
I agree. But I wonder why this sort of resistance seem to be so rare these days. Resisting war should be the best way to stop them.
We do learn....just very, very, very slowly...
I received a phone call once, somewhere around 4am and it was 'Wondering Soul". Didn't know it by name till years later but it scared the hell outta me and the alcohol from the night before didn't help none neither. Nope.
Most of the walking in the jungle was blindly walking thru heavy brush vines and tall grass and walking into an ambush. This was pure and simple stupidity.
The infantry game plan was to find and kill the enemy. When they weren't grouped for an attack, the enemy laid low, dispersed in small groups in the jungle. We usually went looking for them in company-sized operations because we wanted enough troops to secure a landing zone. A large group is noisy, somewhat clumsy, and as fast as its slowest people. The enemy usually had lookouts. They knew the terrain, and they could guess where we were going. The element of surprise was usually on their side, and it was their option whether to set up a large ambush, to completely disappear, or to leave behind a few well-camouflaged snipers hidden in the trees. In that scenario, the enemy was placing only 2 or 3 snipers at risk, while 70 or 80 U.S. infantrymen were vulnerable as sniper targets. If there were sniper casualties, the enemy could try to up the ante by waiting around to see if they could hit the Dustoff choppers or disappear before artillery rounds or gunships arrived. It was the enemy's home turf, and we didn't have much choice but to fight the ground war on their terms.
"Operation Wandering Souls".... the birth of the contract consultant.
i recognized the voice ........... oh its John Pilger !!!
What they're forgetting is that these "lifers" they're talking about has probably fought in WW2 or Korea earlier in their life.
I expect you are correct. For many, it's once in the military, they stay in the military and we love them for that! There are quite a few that have fought in more than one war now, but almost no one who fought in WWII is alive now, if they are, they're in their 90's. But we respect and honor them all, dead or alive!
RIP Steven JC Doss (Pearl)
god bless all those guys.
So this is where the "Sierra Sounds" came from...
The Vietnamese fought the Chinese for centuries, the French for a hundred years and the US for nearly 20 years (we were funding France’s war effort in the 1950's). The Vietnamese fought against occupation, hegemony and colonialism. They fought for their right to choose - they fought for their freedom. The US war against the Vietnamese people wasn't a war against communist hegemony, it was a war prosecuted for the sake of enriching American corporations and war profiteers.
you men I have respect for. My grandfather was a World War II medic. D Day. I spent time in Iraq and Afghanistan 2002 to 2005.Marine born hard. We gotta wake folks up and let money do their on fighting.
Im glad i wasn't born when this war had occured. This was a war that was uncalled for. Didn't people notice that the only country who took part in this war was the United States. I am proud for Canada to have not taken part in this bloody massacre of a war.
BeyondChange Canuck, your wrong mate Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Thailand and the Philippines all were involved too. Australia had a full taskforce of 3 Infantry battalions, 3 squadrons of SAS 3 artillery batteries, field squadrons and construction squadrons heavy armour ( Centurion tanks) and Cavalry ( light armour M113's ) and a Training team as well as a large logistics base and hospital at Vung Tau starting with one battalion in 1964 and ending in 1973. I served with 7th. Battalion of The Royal Australian Regiment as an Infantry Rifleman conscripted by a lottery draw at 20.
well now we have Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria......the US is a plague on the world
BeyondChange huh? What about Australia? New Zealand? Singapore? Mercenaries from plenty of other countries? I know you think the USA was the only country because that's your American propaganda at work.
Cough it up: Not the entire US. Only the corrupt politicians in Washington working for multi-billion dollar corporations snatching up natural resources & making sure they're turning a profit.
U dont know what ur talking about snowflake, the s/ koreans were there so was australia and a few more. Get educated.
War is Hell....
Welcome home Vietnam Vets!!!
The soldier telling about wondering soul is the poster boy for the C.I.A.
My grandfather was a 1LT in a rifle Platoon in an air cav unit and he was always out on patrol. I think the grunts were good fighting guys; but they had zero respect for officers. I know one thing, my grandfather wasn't in an air conditioned room, he was out in the bush.
GeoBuff1968 it depends if the officer was good and knew what he was doing. Some were terrible and should never have been there. I liked the mustang they came up threw the ranks.
GeoBuff1968 he was lucky he wasn't fragged over 1000 other officers were killed by our own troops for forcing them to fight a war they did not want
@GeoBuff1968, so he was a professional soldier? He had chosen this career? Some drafters simply didn't have the will to fight, they deemed themselves unlucky by being chosen.
Que jóvenes valientes fueron esta generación mi admiración y respeto desde Paraguay sudamerica
I didn't see Clinton, Bush or Trump wandering around in the background.
brettfavreify Dude yea I saw them over on the side talking to Obama ..
that's a dumb comment
Trump was busy partying in NYC because you know, he had crippling bone spurs and couldn't go outside lmao
Lol somebody sounds butthurt. Obama was too young for Vietnam and will always be remembered as a better president than Dumpster Fire
Hey, what's wrong w/ a dumpster fire? Baracko and you should hook up. Maybe he'd learn a thing or two.
John Pilger is one of the last remaining journalists, very well respected in Australia.
"history is what's happening"
damn.
Respect from Italy
I kept watching, hoping to see Rush, Dick, Dubya, and Newt. I'll watch it again...
RandallFlaggNY
their not expendable
For sure you wouldn't see Dubya...He was usually drunk at Rick's Caberet in Houston back in those days.
RandallFlaggNY GW Bush was a POS and a liar but you don't seem to know history. Democrat presidents got us into Vietnam. Wake the F up.
or Donald with his fake bone spurs
Ya know, I was watchng it hoping to see BillyJeff, Big Al, and Smokin'Joe Biden ! I guess they couldn't make either. The ugly fact is, by 1968, every young American baby boomer had realized that The Greatest Generation had fucked up big time in Southeast Asia, and that OUR generation was being asked to pay the price in terms of blood, death, and suffering. Any young man smart enough to see beyond the end of his own foreskin did whatever was necessary to make sure that he DID NOT GO !
An it's one, two three, what are we fightin for?
Don' ask me I don' give a damn,
Next Stop is Ve-et Nammm.......
How they will be well treated. Instantly laughs right after.
Cold rice and rat meat shows a dedication we'll never know
Difference is, the Vietnamese were fighting in their own country to free it from foreign invaders, they fought the French they fought the Japanese and the Chinese before..... Today they are a Proud Nation and humble People.
That shit the speakers were playing is terrifying.
Somebody knows the song that sound inmmediately after "goog morning Vietnam", please? 0:15 min
it's called wandering soul......
SNOWBIRD BY ANNE MURRAY
Eighty percent of soldiers serving in Vietnam were volunteers. In nineteen seventy only twenty five percent of soldiers were addicted to or using drugs. The sixties generation that fought in Vietnam were brought up to be very patriotic.
SCHRUBBE1966 wrong! 60% of Australian Infantry riflemen were conscripts. First time Australian conscripts ever served in a war outside of Australian territory mate.
Military bearing broke down when the machine breaks down we dreak down never saw that in my navy days
My parents argued constantly over this war...
is it true that ladybird Johnson was a major stockholder in bell helicopters?
She had factories that made American goods (oxymoron, eh), in Thailand, and I think Laos and Cambodia.
Don’t know about that but she was big shareholder in RR hotels in Hong Kong
Less than 2% of all who fought in Vietnam volunteered for a 2nd tour
You can't wait to ger out of there.. why in the hell someone would volunteer for a 2nd tour.. that's crazy!
@@jdmlegent well I mentioned that to show what real black of support that war had
After? Then everyone was a proud viet vet
In the summer of '65..Oh how I remembered it so well. I was overseas in uniform, rifle in hand. Overhead was now the elected president Johnson's air war escalation.... Nonstop aircraft, big bellies I guess to hold things like jeeps.
I look east over the ocean to see the sun rising. Different than Santa Monica beach... where the sun would set over the ocean.
I am homesick. It's been five days since I left my family to join my boy scout buddies on Catalina Island. We were target practicing. And those planes overhead were the ones leaving I guess from Camp Pendleton to Hawaii and then to Vietnam.
The night they drove old Dixie down and.....
stop trolling
320,000 Chinese troops and I never heard a word about it
This is REAL journalism, by the best
commie bull shit
Firebases were not technically the front lines, but you sure could get sapper attacks, rocket and mortar rounds incoming and the threat of being overrun.
Served with b- btry 1/77th 1st Cav. One of the units that created FSB Snuffy early in 1970.Later opened up FSB Ilingsworth nearly got overrun April 1,1970.
I wonder if Wandering Soul ever worked? Apart from a whole bundle knocking someone out that is?
One of the Most effective psy ops.
sound as psychologically debilitating weapon.