I watched the full review of the Speed 400 and the PD review of the Trident 660. Both bikes are Triumph and as per Shumi both have: 1. Excellent fit and finish 2. Good torque in the low end 3. Not too much top end 4. Vibey at higher speeds above 110 5. Compact motorcycles that do not feel much of an upgrade over lower capacity bikes in terms of size. 6. You will outgrow them soon enough I guess Triumph made them both that way since at different points in time, these were their smallest Triumph products. Was Shumi's 2015 Speed Triple similar in nature as well? The Nation wants to know @motorinc
To the people complaining about the "character" argument, hear me out. While on paper a bike looks better, you can't see it's "character" and would automatically assume the Triumph to be the better bike just because of the specs and price on paper,the feeling each bike might evoke when you ride it would be completely different that changes with what a particular rider wants from their motorcyle. When you're looking for higher capacity bikes like these, if the bike doesn't give you a sensation of feeling special, then it's just another commuter with much worse fuel economy. As for the Triumph lacking "character", it might be just the perfect thing for someone who wants a very neutral machine that just does everything you want without much hassle. At the end of the day, "Character" is subjective and you needn't bother about Shumi sir's comments if you really like the Triumph. Test ride it and get it if it's for you ✌️.
@@MrTransporter5 The problem here is that most people are worried about the pricing as our country is a VERY price-sensitive market. So while it makes sense to say the Triumph is better value for money, doesn't make the Harley a bad bike at all. In fact,it gives a big bike Harley feel unlike the Triumph that feels almost commuter-ish in size. And these things will matter to a majority of buyers who,for example, walk into a Royal Enfield Showroom looking for a "Bullet".
@@JH09SUMIT A review is merely a guide. It is a second-hand observation. It gives you an idea about how a product may be. A test ride tells you how it works for you and you may end up agreeing or disagreeing with a review.
Oh my god here we go again with the "character". The same argument he made against CB350 which is a gem of a bike, very refined and smooth. Some people just love riding on tractors to get their fill of "character".
In the end, I think it's not okay to comapre both bikes. Both have their own unique style and both of the bikes will be used based on the type of rider. My brother likes heavy bikes so he'll probably go with RE or Harley. I like crusing + performance type so I'll go with the Triumph. So I think everyone has their own preferences⚡️🔥
Well bajaj will never learn... Literally no major channel is covering harley davidson x440 and it's clear bajaj just paid everyone to give exclusive triumph 400 coverage.. The idea of some Channels comparing it with hunter 350 and saying for just 30k more you can get triumph is crazy... Because, if 30k is less then why not pay 30-40k over speed 400 and buy RE 650😅 Rajiv bajaj obessesion with RE will never end.... RE was protected by govt for many years and bajaj was protected by congress... These two companies don't get along very well..
Test rode the harley last week, It's just so big and heavy and intimidating but then when you start rolling in, its such a great motorcycle. It's calm and flows with you but when you open the throttle it just goes vroom with that amazing sound. It just feels like a better version of the classic 350
I watched the full review of the Speed 400 and the PD review of the Trident 660. Both bikes are Triumph and as per Shumi both have: 1. Excellent fit and finish 2. Good torque in the low end 3. Not too much top end 4. Vibey at higher speeds above 110 5. Compact motorcycles that do not feel much of an upgrade over lower capacity bikes in terms of size. 6. You will outgrow them soon enough I guess Triumph made them both that way since at different points in time, these were their smallest Triumph products. Was Shumi's 2015 Speed Triple similar in nature as well? The Nation wants to know @motorinc
So build, quality, attention to detail, performance, advance hardware, weight is conveniently out of consideration over the so called coined term of "character of bike" to interesting !you?
did they say its out of the question? No he just said he prefers the more "character" bike. He isn't saying that it's a minus point in the Triumph. Understand the difference.
Hey Shumy, I love you man, I admire your knowledge, your experience, the way you explain, I am sure I am going to collaborate with you sometime in future. Thanks a lot. You r better than the best 😊
Character is overrated! Can you explain what constitutes a motorcycle character?Dont say it’s just the loud thump. More often than not people just like lighter faster motorcycles. Triumph 400 ticks all the boxes for me!
Character is something you feel (and yes, that's personal) when you test ride a bike. It's not a loud thump. Bikes _cannot_ tick boxes until you ride them. Until that point, you're just hoping that the spec translates into what you think it should be like. This excitement is lovely, but the basis of it, as hopeful as it is, is weak until you get an experience on it. As we said, the easy smoothness that forms the lack of character, as it were, is also why new riders will probably love the Speed 400.
@@motorinc Disagree. The connect (read character reveal ) between man and motorcycle doesn’t happen over half a day of riding a motorcycle for a job. The bond develops & happens over months/years of owning a motorcycle and riding it across terrains. That’s when the bike’s true character will reveal itself to the owner. So whatever you conclude about a motorcycle are only good as an owners early misconception of his new motorcycle. Mainly because both haven’t spend enough time with a motorcycle to qualify to judge a bike’s character or it’s feel.
@@easternprestige you are getting it wrong here. It's not the initial impressions he is talking about that constitutes to character rather the fundamentals. For example Royal Enfields in general have a character that you can feel when you ride them be it the old 350s or the twin 650s The low end torque that those bikes provide have a feel of their own . This can only be felt by riding not by the spec sheets and what you're talking about is attachment that you grow over the period of time with your bike that's no where close to what is being discussed.
@@easternprestige When I bought my 200 Duke about 11 years ago, I test rode the following bikes: Honda CBR250R - Good performance and a comfy ride. Great for highway use but it had zero character. It felt sterile and unexciting despite being the quickest from 0 to 100. Classic 500 - Loads of character and quite exciting. Low end torque was the best I had experienced at that time. I ruled it out because it was an early batch and it has stability issues. Yamaha R15 - Test ride bike was in bad shape. No conclusion. KTM 200 Duke - Again, loads of character. The engine was peppy and I could easily spin out the rear wheel in 2nd gear on a patch of dust on the road. The sound and power delivery were so exciting! Just so much fun! I immediately connected with it and bought one. I always found it as much fun to ride as in the test ride even though it gave me a lot of mechanical and electronic issues. Are you able to get an idea about what character means?
Yup as someone who enjoys riding but can't bring myself to ride for hours I like reaching places fast and Triumph does that for me I don't understand what these guys are on about with this "character" talk It's like he's the Martin Luther King Jr of motorcycles
@@motorinc Wonderfully priced at $4,995.00 msrp and they are plentiful with a rainbow of colors to choose from! Still waiting for Guerrilla 450 over here though (lots of anticipation for that one too).
But honestly the Triumph 400 will be a hit and the Harley 440 wont.. I can see it everyday on the road. But the Harley gets lost in the crowd.. you will agree with me after 2 years
Rishi bhai I drove X440 and I loved the way it rides. Yes I did not like fit and finish. But this ride like a dream. I have not even tried triumph may be I will; but the way X440 make you feel when you ride it is next level. I loved the drive personallly.
Why does shumi sound like he doesn’t like the brand triumph/bajaj because the speed 400 is true to its character of being a proper triumph what is he on about? And that Harley made by hero? It has character, with that back cowl and exhaust?😂😂😂 cmon man don’t be biased towards one brand!
Just look at the X440, and you can see that its a Harley Davidson, but when you look at Speed 400, it doesn't seem like a Triumph. If you showed the whole Triumph lineup to 10 people on the street and then if you showed them the 400, they won't say its a Triumph bike.
Even I bought a Royal Enfield classic for its so called “character “ but those emotional attachment won’t work in daily commuting.Every day bike needs a strong midrange according to me for good in gear acceleration.Lows and Highs are not practical in daily usage..
I see comments saying "paid promotion" and "boo character" on this Short and I am not surprised. I think I have started to understand why such comments are made: "Paid promotion" - The pattern that I see is that if someone disagrees with a reviewer's assessment, they slander it as a paid video. I think it really is that simple. "Character is BS" - This one is a little less simple but it is simple nonetheless. See, some of us ride motorcycles for fun. For us, it is an organic and visceral experience. We prefer to draw conclusions about motorcycles based on that experience rather than spec sheets. Yes, spec sheets are important but they are a prelude to the story, NOT the story itself. Most of the time, a bike needs to have character - an intangible, unquantifiable quality - for it to be fun. It is not an excuse. It just is. If you only see spec sheets and numbers, you cannot understand character. Explaining character in a motorcycle is just like explaining why you even love to ride motorcycles to a non-motorcyclist. Those who do not understand say "character is BS/ch*****pa".
Absolutely agreed. Sometimes the specsheet might be amazing, but the bike itself feels numb("cough" Highness). Judging a bike by the specsheet is very,very superficial as it's something that will be used daily and the character of the bike WILL matter.
Highs and lows in this context talk about aspects that generate strong feelings.Metrics for feelings, as far as we know, are kind of hard to organise --- which is why we always say, listen to us if you must (optional) but a test ride before you decide is a must.
For the price and for the Brand what more u expect !!! U want street twin specs for a price around 2.6 lakh -2.8 around !! Just imagine they have made the price around 4 lakhs and the cons u have said would be included !! And u think people will show the same interest which they are now showing ?
Tbh, Triumph bikes never really had any "character" as such. The only thing standing out for them apart from the "eccentric" designs at times is having a tripple cylinder setup.
Hi, i have a query. My permanent address is in AP but i work and live in a PG in TN. I have booked speed 400 from Chennai showroom. Without any local address proof can i buy the buy with TN registration.? Please explain, i have Googled this bit unable to find convincing answer.
You can if you obtain a bonafide certificate from your workplace. Mentioning your present address as the company address. Hope you got it registered already?
I am thinking of buying a daily driver i, which i travel about 60km per day, but I dont know which bike will be suitable for me. I have shortlisted 2 bikes. One is gixxer sf 250 and mojo 300. I would like to know whether I have any other options available for me other than these two
Incorrect. We are fiercely independent and we call it like we see it. There are no promotions, no sponsors, no affiliations and no hidden agenda at MotorInc. If you don't trust us? Please do take your viewership elsewhere.
@@kkrrkumar Slander is not criticism. You should learn the difference for yourself before trying to educate others. The original comment is not criticism. It is a personal attack and shallow trolling.
@@kkrrkumar Dude, first of all, I am not affiliated with this channel in any way. I just come here very often because they have great content. Unfortunately, I do see a lot of silly comments here and every now and then I am unable to ignore them. Now, as for your own comments, there are so many issues with them! First of all, the original commenter made a personal attack and you have no problem with and in fact supported it saying that it is criticism. You need to understand what criticism is before you talk about it. When someone makes an unsubstantiated claim like the OP did, it is slander by definition. You did not ask him to support his claim. If it was a genuine claim, there would be some evidence with it or even some specific points but there are none. Next issue, you called Motorinc's reply a personal attack. You clearly have it backwards. The OP's comment is a personal attack. The response is simply a message saying that they are independent and if he does not find their content genuine then he can simply move on. You need to know the meaning of the words "personal attack" before you use them because you are clearly using them completely wrong. Third, you have clearly not seen how Motorinc engages comments. Their responses are always civil even when there is a genuine disagreement and there have been a few. Most discussions here are civil even if some of the viewers aren't. As for whether Motorinc's content is biased or not, I watch most of their videos and I haven't seen a single instance so far from them to suggest that it is. Most of the objections I see in the comments arise out of simply a lack of and often an outright refusal to gain new perspective on the commenters' (viewers') part. Sometimes even a lack of "maturity" has a part to play. I am again referring to the viewers who leave weird comments like the OP. I am being specific here so you don't misunderstand. Again. I think that's a lot for you to process. Take all the time you need. I don't have any more of it to spare.
So, character defined by loud thump is important than quality for someone like Schumi in a bike. Kind of surprised by your promotion of such a character. Are you playing safe? Triumph has never been about single character anyways. PR team of HD and RE has created a great "impression" for the brand image that it has converted people at the level of Schumi. I don't like retros and classics but clearly Triumph is a superior bike and also a VFM.
Loud thump is not the core of the character, Neel. The motorcycle feeling like a specific kind of experience is. The Triumph doesn't do it, the Harley and the RE do. This doesn't make one bike better than the other automatically. But the history of motorcycles tends to favour specific motorcycles to general motorcycles for a reason. Now. If you don't like retros and classics, naturally, the Triumph will probably be closer to what you're looking for. As to converting us to their PR view? We do believe that's not possible -- you should have more faith when an opinion offered doesn't agree with your view 😊
Please do a comparison of Speed 400 vs Apache RR 310. I know both bikes are way too different in many aspects but I am truly in a dilemma about which one to buy!
We are not paid by anyone. We like to speak the truth about bikes and cars and we are fiercely independent. If you think the H'ness is better, that is your view. But, what we say about the Classic 350 or the Harley X440 is exactly how we feel about them.
They don't give out biased opinions. See a few more videos, you may also become a follower! Classic is definitely better than Highness. One would expect usable torque and low speed. Rideability when one rides a thumper. Highness is a fantastic bike in many aspects but it's not a thumper!
Even in Europe people are buying Royal Enfield. But we Indians r still not believing our products. Indian bike companies will eat Japanese markets in the coming years.
You may have not seen enough of our content on the Speed 400 if this is the conclusion you have reached @ranadipsg1. We'd invite you to watch more of our content before making an assumption.
After this watch 3 reasons to buy TRIUMPH SPEED 400 ...the video of this guy telling about the 3 reasons to buy the triumph speed 400.. .idk wts happening
exactly, the 400 should distinguish itself from dukes, dominor, gxr 250 etx interms of feel. If it is not going to feel different, it will eat into other 250-400 cc bikes but not classic 350.
Hi Shumi, previously you had asked me regarding me not being happy about vstrom when compared to my cbr. Here is one more example of well built motorcycle tht is triumph which i was expecting from suzuki..apart from engine though as we know tht suzuki make good engines as most of the japs are good it it. Apart from engine..just try and compare other cycle parts with triumph..it shows tht suzukis are built for a cost ..
Please stop telling bull shit character bro Same thing used for classic350 too This is the Only way to rate high for low end machine which has strong PR team Time will change u r option
Just because you are fine with sterile, soulless motorcycles doesn't mean others are too. If you just want a motorcycle, a Splendour is fine. If you ride motorcycles for fun, you need a bike with character. If you ride spec sheets then you don't need character in a motorcycle.
@@Non0fYourBusiness572 That makes no sense. I bought a BS4 390 Duke because its numbers were good but it has no character and so I don't like it as much as I should have. You should actually ride a motorcycle to understand what it means.
@@twowheeledparadox bro nothing between u and me what my point is like news channels which favours ruling party like way reviewers also moving towards PR team which offers great deals
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You've offered no criticism kkrrkumar. You've stated your opinion, which happens to be wrong. We do have a say in who watches our channel and what we're saying is trust us - we don't do what you're suggesting. 😊 Or don't watch our channel... but you cannot have both. We do have a say in who watches our channel.
Exactly. I think reviewers get fixated on "character" because they test for short durations. Whereas the actual owners of the bike need a hassle free experience for thousands of kilometres and many years of riding. Anyway you can get a lot of "character" from any bike if you stop cleaning or servicing it for a couple of years.
@@chnacr2Good point. I test rode a BS4 390 Duke for a short duration and liked it. Then I bought one the next day and soon after the running-in was complete I found that the bike has no character. It was too clinically perfect and was therefore boring.
@@twowheeledparadox You can stop chain lubing and changing the engine oil until you find imperfections and character 😉 Jokes apart, Shumi himself has a Duke 390. So it looks like when it comes to actually owning a bike long term you need something that works properly, not something with unpredictable character. Lol
@@chnacr2 I am not surprised you missed my point entirely. Fortunately, you stated outright that you were joking in the first half of your reply because it was clearly nonsensical. The BS4 390 Duke has one flaw in my view - the throttle response is too linear and too rider-friendly. It works well for most people. It works too well for most and that's the problem. It feels sterile. Shumi has a BS3 390 Duke which does not have ride by wire throttle. That bike is a lot more fun and is characterful. The BS4 390 Duke does not have character. It has flaws like extremely poor low end torque. You cannot get character from a bike by neglecting it. It is an innate quality. You will need to actually ride some motorcycles to understand this.
Hard to explain, and easy to feel, Aman. Get a test ride on both and you'll see quite easily what character is. A useful - though not 100% accurate description is - "a bike who's strengths _and weaknesses_ *together* enhance your feelings for/about it"
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I watched the full review of the Speed 400 and the PD review of the Trident 660.
Both bikes are Triumph and as per Shumi both have:
1. Excellent fit and finish
2. Good torque in the low end
3. Not too much top end
4. Vibey at higher speeds above 110
5. Compact motorcycles that do not feel much of an upgrade over lower capacity bikes in terms of size.
6. You will outgrow them soon enough
I guess Triumph made them both that way since at different points in time, these were their smallest Triumph products.
Was Shumi's 2015 Speed Triple similar in nature as well? The Nation wants to know
@motorinc
" Not a lot of highs, not a lot of lows and it sort of flows " - Slim Shumi
That could be a shady comment, but it isn't! 🤣
i knew this convo would pop up in the comments lol@@motorinc
Wish I had shumi's articulating skills
Yes. Need a oomph factor when riding a motorcycle.
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To the people complaining about the "character" argument, hear me out. While on paper a bike looks better, you can't see it's "character" and would automatically assume the Triumph to be the better bike just because of the specs and price on paper,the feeling each bike might evoke when you ride it would be completely different that changes with what a particular rider wants from their motorcyle. When you're looking for higher capacity bikes like these, if the bike doesn't give you a sensation of feeling special, then it's just another commuter with much worse fuel economy. As for the Triumph lacking "character", it might be just the perfect thing for someone who wants a very neutral machine that just does everything you want without much hassle. At the end of the day, "Character" is subjective and you needn't bother about Shumi sir's comments if you really like the Triumph. Test ride it and get it if it's for you ✌️.
People said the same thing for HD...
Well said, Pranav.
@@MrTransporter5 The problem here is that most people are worried about the pricing as our country is a VERY price-sensitive market. So while it makes sense to say the Triumph is better value for money, doesn't make the Harley a bad bike at all. In fact,it gives a big bike Harley feel unlike the Triumph that feels almost commuter-ish in size. And these things will matter to a majority of buyers who,for example, walk into a Royal Enfield Showroom looking for a "Bullet".
"Test ride and decide"
So this sentence just made every review pointless.
@@JH09SUMIT A review is merely a guide. It is a second-hand observation. It gives you an idea about how a product may be. A test ride tells you how it works for you and you may end up agreeing or disagreeing with a review.
Oh my god here we go again with the "character". The same argument he made against CB350 which is a gem of a bike, very refined and smooth. Some people just love riding on tractors to get their fill of "character".
😂😂
This guy just copies the reviews of Western bikers and just repeats the stuff .
@@abhinay4200 No, not always. Some of his experiences with different bikes were similar to how I felt.
Also, God forbid a bike has some "lows", these same guys wouldn't hesitate to completely bring it down unless it's their favourite KTM Duke series
Perfect comment 😂
You guys are full of highs and lows and it all just flows.😂❤
🙌❤️
@motorinc , the most genuine feedback received by date , others are just singing the tune of praises
He is duke 390 lover you won’t find negative feedbacks of 390 here😂
Shumi was not invited to triumph event, post which he is crying for forever
In the end, I think it's not okay to comapre both bikes. Both have their own unique style and both of the bikes will be used based on the type of rider. My brother likes heavy bikes so he'll probably go with RE or Harley. I like crusing + performance type so I'll go with the Triumph. So I think everyone has their own preferences⚡️🔥
Well bajaj will never learn... Literally no major channel is covering harley davidson x440 and it's clear bajaj just paid everyone to give exclusive triumph 400 coverage..
The idea of some Channels comparing it with hunter 350 and saying for just 30k more you can get triumph is crazy... Because, if 30k is less then why not pay 30-40k over speed 400 and buy RE 650😅
Rajiv bajaj obessesion with RE will never end.... RE was protected by govt for many years and bajaj was protected by congress... These two companies don't get along very well..
For cruising harley wld be better as it is more comfortable
Bro wtf Royal Enfield is the cruising bike. That is the whole point of their low powered engines 😢
Absolutely not@@hrutvijkakade2820
The best of the industry explaining their experience. You both are my *MOTO-SUPERHEROES* . ❤LOTS OF LOVE
Thank you so much Kaushik!
Test rode the harley last week, It's just so big and heavy and intimidating but then when you start rolling in, its such a great motorcycle. It's calm and flows with you but when you open the throttle it just goes vroom with that amazing sound. It just feels like a better version of the classic 350
Thank you for sharing your experience @praneelnag1711
I watched the full review of the Speed 400 and the PD review of the Trident 660.
Both bikes are Triumph and as per Shumi both have:
1. Excellent fit and finish
2. Good torque in the low end
3. Not too much top end
4. Vibey at higher speeds above 110
5. Compact motorcycles that do not feel much of an upgrade over lower capacity bikes in terms of size.
6. You will outgrow them soon enough
I guess Triumph made them both that way since at different points in time, these were their smallest Triumph products.
Was Shumi's 2015 Speed Triple similar in nature as well? The Nation wants to know
@motorinc
I bought x440 love it.... your videos are helpful..
Glad you like the X440 @jith4979!
So build, quality, attention to detail, performance, advance hardware, weight is conveniently out of consideration over the so called coined term of "character of bike" to interesting !you?
Yes
It is sadly a lot of indians don't understand the difference between a sport bike and a retro motorcycle
Shumi was not invited to triumph event brother, which is why he crying
Pity you...🤦
did they say its out of the question? No
he just said he prefers the more "character" bike. He isn't saying that it's a minus point in the Triumph. Understand the difference.
Rode them recently. Astonishing that harley has more feel.Dint expect this though
Noice! Thanks for keeping us posted. Such surprises are sweet!
HD 's 90 percent torque is ready to go at just 4000rpm. No need to ring the nuts to get going.
So beautifully explained and so true man...
Glad you think so!
Hey Shumy, I love you man, I admire your knowledge, your experience, the way you explain, I am sure I am going to collaborate with you sometime in future. Thanks a lot. You r better than the best 😊
Perfect one, HD’s thump’s are there, hoping one day they will come with a small capacity Po-TA-To…❤
Character is overrated! Can you explain what constitutes a motorcycle character?Dont say it’s just the loud thump. More often than not people just like lighter faster motorcycles. Triumph 400 ticks all the boxes for me!
Character is something you feel (and yes, that's personal) when you test ride a bike. It's not a loud thump. Bikes _cannot_ tick boxes until you ride them. Until that point, you're just hoping that the spec translates into what you think it should be like. This excitement is lovely, but the basis of it, as hopeful as it is, is weak until you get an experience on it.
As we said, the easy smoothness that forms the lack of character, as it were, is also why new riders will probably love the Speed 400.
@@motorinc Disagree. The connect (read character reveal ) between man and motorcycle doesn’t happen over half a day of riding a motorcycle for a job. The bond develops & happens over months/years of owning a motorcycle and riding it across terrains. That’s when the bike’s true character will reveal itself to the owner. So whatever you conclude about a motorcycle are only good as an owners early misconception of his new motorcycle. Mainly because both haven’t spend enough time with a motorcycle to qualify to judge a bike’s character or it’s feel.
@@easternprestige you are getting it wrong here. It's not the initial impressions he is talking about that constitutes to character rather the fundamentals. For example Royal Enfields in general have a character that you can feel when you ride them be it the old 350s or the twin 650s The low end torque that those bikes provide have a feel of their own . This can only be felt by riding not by the spec sheets and what you're talking about is attachment that you grow over the period of time with your bike that's no where close to what is being discussed.
@@easternprestige When I bought my 200 Duke about 11 years ago, I test rode the following bikes:
Honda CBR250R - Good performance and a comfy ride. Great for highway use but it had zero character. It felt sterile and unexciting despite being the quickest from 0 to 100.
Classic 500 - Loads of character and quite exciting. Low end torque was the best I had experienced at that time. I ruled it out because it was an early batch and it has stability issues.
Yamaha R15 - Test ride bike was in bad shape. No conclusion.
KTM 200 Duke - Again, loads of character. The engine was peppy and I could easily spin out the rear wheel in 2nd gear on a patch of dust on the road. The sound and power delivery were so exciting! Just so much fun! I immediately connected with it and bought one. I always found it as much fun to ride as in the test ride even though it gave me a lot of mechanical and electronic issues.
Are you able to get an idea about what character means?
Yup as someone who enjoys riding but can't bring myself to ride for hours I like reaching places fast and Triumph does that for me
I don't understand what these guys are on about with this "character" talk
It's like he's the Martin Luther King Jr of motorcycles
I wish we could get the X440 in the States! Getting a Speed 400 this summer.
Oh interesting @cmboerger! Is the Speed 400 priced on par with India? Or is it more expensive in the US?
@@motorinc Wonderfully priced at $4,995.00 msrp and they are plentiful with a rainbow of colors to choose from! Still waiting for Guerrilla 450 over here though (lots of anticipation for that one too).
Ok i might have said bad stuff about this guy in the past but he does have great detailing and articulating skills.
Does the tune of scam 400 and speed 400 will be same or different?
The hero davidson, although not a fan of the current x440, looking forward to see some new motorcycles that they might launch in the future.
So are we @raynesisperal2650
Shumi is so so damn right about it wow !!❤ Harley experience ka koi tod nahi
please increase audio
But honestly the Triumph 400 will be a hit and the Harley 440 wont..
I can see it everyday on the road. But the Harley gets lost in the crowd.. you will agree with me after 2 years
Thanks for sharing your perspective, Rishi! Let's see what happens! Either way it's good for the Indian rider for sure!
Rishi bhai I drove X440 and I loved the way it rides. Yes I did not like fit and finish. But this ride like a dream. I have not even tried triumph may be I will; but the way X440 make you feel when you ride it is next level. I loved the drive personallly.
Why does shumi sound like he doesn’t like the brand triumph/bajaj because the speed 400 is true to its character of being a proper triumph what is he on about? And that Harley made by hero? It has character, with that back cowl and exhaust?😂😂😂 cmon man don’t be biased towards one brand!
Just look at the X440, and you can see that its a Harley Davidson, but when you look at Speed 400, it doesn't seem like a Triumph.
If you showed the whole Triumph lineup to 10 people on the street and then if you showed them the 400, they won't say its a Triumph bike.
Even I bought a Royal Enfield classic for its so called “character “ but those emotional attachment won’t work in daily commuting.Every day bike needs a strong midrange according to me for good in gear acceleration.Lows and Highs are not practical in daily usage..
The Classic 350's midrange is good enough for daily commutes.
I can still feel u r tiger 660 event in u r words 😂
That did rhyme!!
We need Triwizard Tournament:
RE Meteor Vs Harley Vs Triumph
X440 is best i just saw the Bike in person yesterday and really amazing bike.
I see comments saying "paid promotion" and "boo character" on this Short and I am not surprised. I think I have started to understand why such comments are made:
"Paid promotion" - The pattern that I see is that if someone disagrees with a reviewer's assessment, they slander it as a paid video. I think it really is that simple.
"Character is BS" - This one is a little less simple but it is simple nonetheless. See, some of us ride motorcycles for fun. For us, it is an organic and visceral experience. We prefer to draw conclusions about motorcycles based on that experience rather than spec sheets. Yes, spec sheets are important but they are a prelude to the story, NOT the story itself. Most of the time, a bike needs to have character - an intangible, unquantifiable quality - for it to be fun. It is not an excuse. It just is. If you only see spec sheets and numbers, you cannot understand character. Explaining character in a motorcycle is just like explaining why you even love to ride motorcycles to a non-motorcyclist. Those who do not understand say "character is BS/ch*****pa".
Absolutely agreed. Sometimes the specsheet might be amazing, but the bike itself feels numb("cough" Highness). Judging a bike by the specsheet is very,very superficial as it's something that will be used daily and the character of the bike WILL matter.
@@t.cpranav9505 Exactly!
Character in simple words is why people buy Royal Enfield’s
Ans spec sheet is why people buy pulsar ns200
Can u explain what is it that u mean by highs and lows in a riding scenario? Definite metrics
Highs and lows in this context talk about aspects that generate strong feelings.Metrics for feelings, as far as we know, are kind of hard to organise --- which is why we always say, listen to us if you must (optional) but a test ride before you decide is a must.
Hey can I just humbly ask for you to cover sr250 from keeway it is nice as far as looks go and as a toy will it be good ?
Honda CB300F first ride impression should be must....🥺🥺❤
Excellent review.. This is quality of reviewing an automobile
Thank you, Mihir!❤️
For the price and for the Brand what more u expect !!! U want street twin specs for a price around 2.6 lakh -2.8 around !! Just imagine they have made the price around 4 lakhs and the cons u have said would be included !! And u think people will show the same interest which they are now showing ?
ऐसा नहीं है कि हमको अंग्रेजी नही आती लेकिन आपको हिन्दी में सुनने का बहुत मन है😊
Reasons this guy counts as negatives for Triumph are exactly the reason why I’ll buy a triumph!!
Go for it! Do see our other videos on the triumph too!
Tbh, Triumph bikes never really had any "character" as such. The only thing standing out for them apart from the "eccentric" designs at times is having a tripple cylinder setup.
Which bike best
Which bikes are the ones that have the highs and lows according to Shumi.? I'd like to experiment myself after knowing
Old bikes abused by owners that suddenly break down in the middle of nowhere for no reason. That would be a very good low point
This isnt goin down well.. couldn't connect to what shumi said
Then leave
Hi, i have a query. My permanent address is in AP but i work and live in a PG in TN. I have booked speed 400 from Chennai showroom. Without any local address proof can i buy the buy with TN registration.? Please explain, i have Googled this bit unable to find convincing answer.
You can if you obtain a bonafide certificate from your workplace. Mentioning your present address as the company address. Hope you got it registered already?
It feels like a more genuine harley davidson created by hero😂😂😂😂😂
I am thinking of buying a daily driver i, which i travel about 60km per day, but I dont know which bike will be suitable for me. I have shortlisted 2 bikes. One is gixxer sf 250 and mojo 300. I would like to know whether I have any other options available for me other than these two
Suzuki 250... vstrom or gixxer...both are fantastic
Gixxer 250, awesome bike but only problem is that I doubt Suzuki's commitment to support it.
When Shumi is Poetic ❤
You guys are against of triumph speed 400 from first day
We call it like we see it. You're free to buy whichever motorcycle you like Tatyasaheb, with or without our recommendation.
Paid promotion 😅
Buddy ride the two of them and you’ll know what they are saying
So, if a reviewer says something you disagree with then it is a paid promotion. Fascinating.
Pity of u 😂
It can go both ways. Paid spamming
Both are completely different motorcycles, and speed is like revv me kind of engine and x440 is more settled with character engine
Straight answer... HD X440 or Triumph 400?
Shumi is a paid artist
Incorrect.
We are fiercely independent and we call it like we see it. There are no promotions, no sponsors, no affiliations and no hidden agenda at MotorInc. If you don't trust us? Please do take your viewership elsewhere.
@@motorinc Already you are not doing any big numbers, thanks to your attitude, you ain’t gonna reach anywhere.
@@kkrrkumar Slander is not criticism. You should learn the difference for yourself before trying to educate others. The original comment is not criticism. It is a personal attack and shallow trolling.
@@kkrrkumar Dude, first of all, I am not affiliated with this channel in any way. I just come here very often because they have great content. Unfortunately, I do see a lot of silly comments here and every now and then I am unable to ignore them.
Now, as for your own comments, there are so many issues with them! First of all, the original commenter made a personal attack and you have no problem with and in fact supported it saying that it is criticism. You need to understand what criticism is before you talk about it. When someone makes an unsubstantiated claim like the OP did, it is slander by definition. You did not ask him to support his claim. If it was a genuine claim, there would be some evidence with it or even some specific points but there are none.
Next issue, you called Motorinc's reply a personal attack. You clearly have it backwards. The OP's comment is a personal attack. The response is simply a message saying that they are independent and if he does not find their content genuine then he can simply move on. You need to know the meaning of the words "personal attack" before you use them because you are clearly using them completely wrong.
Third, you have clearly not seen how Motorinc engages comments. Their responses are always civil even when there is a genuine disagreement and there have been a few. Most discussions here are civil even if some of the viewers aren't.
As for whether Motorinc's content is biased or not, I watch most of their videos and I haven't seen a single instance so far from them to suggest that it is. Most of the objections I see in the comments arise out of simply a lack of and often an outright refusal to gain new perspective on the commenters' (viewers') part. Sometimes even a lack of "maturity" has a part to play. I am again referring to the viewers who leave weird comments like the OP. I am being specific here so you don't misunderstand. Again.
I think that's a lot for you to process. Take all the time you need. I don't have any more of it to spare.
@@kkrrkumar I suggest you review all the comments again because you are misunderstanding everything again and again. And I mean everything.
shumi please tell whether triumph speed 400 would excel in tourer perspective?
No other youtube channel emphasized so much on vibration in triumph speed 400. Does it feels like the old enfields in high rev range.
No it's not that kind of bad. It's unexpected and you should be ready for that in terms of expectations when you go get a test ride
So, character defined by loud thump is important than quality for someone like Schumi in a bike. Kind of surprised by your promotion of such a character. Are you playing safe? Triumph has never been about single character anyways. PR team of HD and RE has created a great "impression" for the brand image that it has converted people at the level of Schumi. I don't like retros and classics but clearly Triumph is a superior bike and also a VFM.
Loud thump is not the core of the character, Neel. The motorcycle feeling like a specific kind of experience is. The Triumph doesn't do it, the Harley and the RE do. This doesn't make one bike better than the other automatically. But the history of motorcycles tends to favour specific motorcycles to general motorcycles for a reason.
Now. If you don't like retros and classics, naturally, the Triumph will probably be closer to what you're looking for. As to converting us to their PR view? We do believe that's not possible -- you should have more faith when an opinion offered doesn't agree with your view 😊
Please do a comparison of Speed 400 vs Apache RR 310.
I know both bikes are way too different in many aspects but I am truly in a dilemma about which one to buy!
The Speed 400 vs the RTR 310 would be a more apt comparison. TVS will launch that bike soon.
you mean triumph rides like a Honda (in general)
As Hondas are supposed to, sort of, yes. Most of the Indian Hondas cannot do the general Honda feelings today though
Paid by hero. Seen this earlier too when he said classic 350 is better than highness. Its miles ahead
We are not paid by anyone. We like to speak the truth about bikes and cars and we are fiercely independent. If you think the H'ness is better, that is your view. But, what we say about the Classic 350 or the Harley X440 is exactly how we feel about them.
They don't give out biased opinions. See a few more videos, you may also become a follower! Classic is definitely better than Highness. One would expect usable torque and low speed. Rideability when one rides a thumper. Highness is a fantastic bike in many aspects but it's not a thumper!
Classic 350 is better than highness
Even in Europe people are buying Royal Enfield. But we Indians r still not believing our products. Indian bike companies will eat Japanese markets in the coming years.
Wait for RE 450 Roadsters and Adventure...
Exciting times ahead!
I believe Scrambler 400 will be the real deal.
Comparison vs mavric and harly
Once we test the Mavrick fully, HowlsBarks, for sure!
So, Triumph wasn't triumphant?
Noicce!😅 Although this duel's winner will take a long time to be announced.
That 400x should have been a 450 cc job.Whatever this bike lacks could have been made good
Perhaps. What we'd rather have seen is an engine that stays smooth across its entire performance, TBH
Karan Johar and Shashi Tharoor of moto reviews 😊
most of your videos has low voice. plz do something about your mic
Feedback noted!
Verdict highly anticipated
This channel seizes every opportunity to cast aspersions on Speed 400, engaging in negative criticism at every possible turn
You may have not seen enough of our content on the Speed 400 if this is the conclusion you have reached @ranadipsg1. We'd invite you to watch more of our content before making an assumption.
& Upcoming KTM Duke 390.
The KTM will be a very different bike because it does focus a LOT on performance (engine and chassis) compared to these two
Sound is low
After this watch 3 reasons to buy TRIUMPH SPEED 400 ...the video of this guy telling about the 3 reasons to buy the triumph speed 400.. .idk wts happening
exactly, the 400 should distinguish itself from dukes, dominor, gxr 250 etx interms of feel. If it is not going to feel different, it will eat into other 250-400 cc bikes but not classic 350.
Brother Shumi - I need to know your academic background man.. Listening to you is like music to ears.
Please oblige the request.
As per LinkedIn He seems to be an experienced motorcycle journalist😅
He mastered from Indian institute of baddest bikers.
Please upload in Hindi ❤
Both bikes suck in my option, there are better options out there, x400 and speed 400 is the case of too little too late.
Should they have named it Midway 400
Hi Shumi, previously you had asked me regarding me not being happy about vstrom when compared to my cbr. Here is one more example of well built motorcycle tht is triumph which i was expecting from suzuki..apart from engine though as we know tht suzuki make good engines as most of the japs are good it it. Apart from engine..just try and compare other cycle parts with triumph..it shows tht suzukis are built for a cost ..
For the first time I agree with this guy.
😊♥️
Please stop telling bull shit character bro
Same thing used for classic350 too
This is the Only way to rate high for low end machine which has strong PR team
Time will change u r option
Just because you are fine with sterile, soulless motorcycles doesn't mean others are too. If you just want a motorcycle, a Splendour is fine. If you ride motorcycles for fun, you need a bike with character. If you ride spec sheets then you don't need character in a motorcycle.
@@twowheeledparadox character is nothing but a thing that calm down your helplessness with owned bike with out specs 😜😂
@@Non0fYourBusiness572 That makes no sense. I bought a BS4 390 Duke because its numbers were good but it has no character and so I don't like it as much as I should have. You should actually ride a motorcycle to understand what it means.
@@twowheeledparadox bro nothing between u and me what my point is like news channels which favours ruling party like way reviewers also moving towards PR team which offers great deals
@@Non0fYourBusiness572 Except that I have not seen anything that supports your assertion.
Seems paid review 😅
We are fiercely independent and we call it like we see it. There are no promotions, no sponsors, no affiliations and no hidden agenda at MotorInc. If you don't trust us? We suggest your take your viewership elsewhere, Sohrab
You've offered no criticism kkrrkumar. You've stated your opinion, which happens to be wrong. We do have a say in who watches our channel and what we're saying is trust us - we don't do what you're suggesting. 😊
Or don't watch our channel... but you cannot have both. We do have a say in who watches our channel.
Fir wohi chutiyapa.....motor cycle mei character dhundh rha😂😂
Exactly. I think reviewers get fixated on "character" because they test for short durations. Whereas the actual owners of the bike need a hassle free experience for thousands of kilometres and many years of riding.
Anyway you can get a lot of "character" from any bike if you stop cleaning or servicing it for a couple of years.
If character is not improtant then a Splendour is enough. If you ride bikes for fun, character is important.
@@chnacr2Good point. I test rode a BS4 390 Duke for a short duration and liked it. Then I bought one the next day and soon after the running-in was complete I found that the bike has no character. It was too clinically perfect and was therefore boring.
@@twowheeledparadox You can stop chain lubing and changing the engine oil until you find imperfections and character 😉
Jokes apart, Shumi himself has a Duke 390. So it looks like when it comes to actually owning a bike long term you need something that works properly, not something with unpredictable character. Lol
@@chnacr2 I am not surprised you missed my point entirely. Fortunately, you stated outright that you were joking in the first half of your reply because it was clearly nonsensical. The BS4 390 Duke has one flaw in my view - the throttle response is too linear and too rider-friendly. It works well for most people. It works too well for most and that's the problem. It feels sterile. Shumi has a BS3 390 Duke which does not have ride by wire throttle. That bike is a lot more fun and is characterful. The BS4 390 Duke does not have character. It has flaws like extremely poor low end torque. You cannot get character from a bike by neglecting it. It is an innate quality. You will need to actually ride some motorcycles to understand this.
Yuh harley has character but its fit finish is 🤡
Relax guys, is umer mai dimag kam nahi krta
Kitni umar hai aapki?
@@motorinc😭🤣
Bla bla bla guys😂😂
Comparison between Triump Vs Splendor 400😅
please don't need poetry, explain for amateurs
Thanks for the feedback. Can you tell us which part confused you Aman?
@@motorinc what exactly is meant by "character"
Hard to explain, and easy to feel, Aman. Get a test ride on both and you'll see quite easily what character is. A useful - though not 100% accurate description is - "a bike who's strengths _and weaknesses_ *together* enhance your feelings for/about it"
50 rupay kaat inki overacting ke... Do they even know anything or just come here to drama on the name of auto experts
Triumph ride almost like the cb300
I guess triumph got a lowwww as well : mileage 😂
X440 is only manufactured in India ,it is basically a Hero bike using a Harley logo