I got this for my spouse as dino island is one of her favorite games of all time. Am worried that I got her something that won't compare favorably to the original, but Mike's and Tom's verdicts are reassuring. Thanks guys.
This would be cool as a computer or video game where on the Jeep tour, you can select the order or tiles you want to activate, the computer marks off if you can actually accomplish task, and then you press play, and you watch an animation of the Jeep tour from the perspective of a park-goer and you can watch people being ripped out of the jeep.
There is one reliable (but limited) way to augument your workers through the garage upgrades which give you a single worker of your choice per turn (plus one when building it so use time that in a pinch). I think if there would be more options to mitigate the workers it would result in a run away Leader.
I think that Pandasaurus should have just took the plunge and put small 8mm dice for the boredom counters. I bought a pack of 100 for $3.50 on Amazon, I can't imagine that it would have cost them that much to get them wholesale.
I'm currently trying to decide whether I should buy Island or world and this review did not help me on that note but I did laugh a lot so thanks for that.
On a scale of 1 to 10: if the person sitting next to you in the jeep(le) gets eaten by a T-Rex, how excited would you get? I think there might be a bit of a thematic stretch there...
The promo card that comes with the KS version lets you, once per game, exchange up to 2 workers of any colors for another 2 workers of any colors. And it grants you 7vp if you don't use it. Sounds like your feedback about getting a bum last turn because the workers you need weren't drawn was feedback from others as well. Nice to know that was addressed - And you don't really need the promo card at all to play with that rule.
But there is some mitigation! DNA can be split and the Jeeple upgrade can get you a worker of your choice. We also enjoy the game but found the rulebook & player aid errors bothersome. The boredom tokens are also terrible. Thin cards and scoreboard needed to be duel layered like the player boards. Otherwise we do enjoy the gameplay.😁
The game feels much better once you swap the boredom chits out for dice. We've only played less than 5 times, but still it didn't seem like each player realistically needs more than 6 or 7 dice, as some tiles are so good as to warrant visiting 4 or even all 5 times. I kinda wish the special tiles weren't stacked in such a way as to make the game feel so samey every time, what with the A tiles being on top of the B tiles, who are then on top of the C tiles. Oh, and Incubator feels a bit too good.
I can attest to the absolute annoyance of the Tic-Tac sized boredom tokens. So tedious to punch out. Text printed 1-5 on the tiles with a translucent cube to keep track would’ve sufficed.
The designers said even they used dice, but adding more dice would have upped the price of the game. This is one of those things where I feel giving us nothing would have been better than those small little chads tho. I was so annoyed punching them out.
I understand the lowerish ratings based on personal preferences, but I'm SO HAPPY this got the seal of excellence. It totally deserves it. The retail components alone make it stand out from the crowd.
I'm going to replace my boredom tokens with those small d6s. Should be easier to manipulate than chits. Just make sure everyone knows you can't go above 5.
Would love a comparison between Dinogenics, Dino Island and World. Having played Genius and Island, I wondered if this was the best. I think, Dinogenics comes out on top.
the very low point on this game is the number of points given by the objectives, it can easily be 40/50% of the points you'll get in the game, thus becoming the primary objective, and thus deciding what you will do in the game rather than letting you do the things you find fun or establising your personal strategy In solo (which I'll do most of the time) it's even worse, becoming the only thing you'll actually do or you'll lose so many points for not doing objectives
28:15 What is Tom talking about? Suggesting that this is more thematic than Dinosaur Island and that Dinogenics was 'even more' thematic than Dinosaur Island. I think he's wearing hats that are 10 sizes too small for his head. Dinosaur World is only 'more' thematic if you want a park that requires jeepLES(!) vs a park more like 6 Flags. And Dinogenics was garbage...so there.
@@Therisktaker3 It was more how prominent it was behind him for so long. It looked like he was at home due to the pandemic so I assumed at the time that he really liked the game and gave it pride of place.
Between Dinosaur Island (which I really like) and Duelosaur Island (which is fine) and Dinogenics (which I don't like for 2 because of runaway leaders but is good for solo) and tiny epic dinosaurs, why would I want to buy yet a third interpretation of the same theme by the same designers?
I will end up keeping both but I still prefer Dino Island over World. A little more meat to the decisions (always play with a few modules from Totally Liquid). Once we get an expansion for Dino World that might change though.
Significantly, and each differently. We've played with each expansion on its own once apiece and gameplay felt unique each time. We haven't combined them -- perhaps a bit too much in a game of this type?
Good review. I'm surprised the lack of dinosaur esthetics weren't mentioned though. I want to see the triceratops, the spinosaur etc. Else, it's just a building saying T-Rex that is far more boring. Shame, as the cover is awesome.
When I played, the randomness of if someone gets eaten, lead to one person having no deaths and winning at the end of the game with essentially a themepark with almost no dinos...this really threw me off the game. I want big bombastic dinos and crisis in my dino park games, this felt like the way to win was to create a bunch of gift shops and rides with a small petting zoo. HOW BORING. Yes random elements can be fun in games, but this is not the kind of randomness that causes a trex to come out and eat someone. This is randomness of a spreadsheet you find at the end of the game that has a random negative point value set by the lowest deaths at the table, with that number being fairly random based on if visiting their attractions caused someone to be eaten. AND the negative points are also on a curve, quickly increasing to the point that if one person at the table isn't getting deaths, you have to dedicate your entire game to not having fun, but trying to lessen your kill count as the negative points become crippling to any other strategy. and that's really the killer, while in island and genics I spent most my game thinking about what I wanted to build, in world I'm only allowed to do one thing if the luck goes against me. It would be like playing a cowboy sandbox game where I have to clean up my act and go to church or the law would eventually catch up to me and put me in jail. Overall, owning every game in the genre. this was by far the least fun to play, even if mechanically it's really neat up until the end game scoring.
If you are being winning by owning zero dinosaurs, then your competitors must also be having zero dinosaurs. Not building dinosaurs simply is not competing in terms of overall victory points and game incoming compared to building dinosaurs. You might be having to spend a lot of your resources on getting more security to deal with the danger of building more dinosaurs, this is very true. You might be feeling that you are not building enough dinosaurs, which is also a feeling I am having playing this game, but building dinosaurs is a must!
@@Richard-sy1ej didn't say 0, I said barely any (1 herbavore, maybe a second late late game) with 0 deaths due to how visiting deaths trigger dice rolls. two people went this strategy, 1 rolled some deaths, 1 rolled 0 deaths, 0 deaths rolled won. The issue is when people tank out near 0 deaths.. you absolutely can't win when deaths cost you 2-3 points per, you're forced into their game and not the one you want to be in. Nothing you can do that incurs any deaths will be a net gain of points against someone playing it safe, but equally as skilled.
@@82ndmi These strategies making sense how? With getting so little dinosaurs you are getting so little excitement and moneys, so cannot build bigger parks. Investing solely in money and administrators? Simply not effective. Even strategy revolving around triceratops toss for 4 victory points cannot compete to so many victory points from making bigger dinosaurs. Don't even need to visit and risk deaths until having 3 or 4 dinos, at which point victory points from making dinos alone more than full run of ring toss each round, which also makes no money. What you saying is simply not making sense from my having plays.
They are possibly actual dinosaurs, just not live ones. Dinos decompose and become oil in the ground, that oil is used to make plastic Dinos. Those are REAL dinosaurs.
I sold DI in favour of this when I played it on TTS during the campaign. Glad I did as I find the park building and jeeple phase more thematic and fun. Dinogenics is still my #1 though.
Just wanted to point out that even when you can say you liked an eurogame (like this one), scores are quite lower than I would assume for your speech. This tends to occur the other way around for ameri games, just my opinion!
It's not a people, so it's not a jeeple. Meeple is me+people. So a jeeple is jeep-people? Maybe it's a Meep. I could get behind meep. Or, you know, just call it a jeep. When I heard that term in the overview, it physically hurt my brain. It doesn't make logical sense, and it feels like the game designers are saying "aren't we clever/cute."
Is it just me or was there a huge tension at the table … it is very awkward to watch chris and Tom not getting along and Zee signaling Chris to stop talking…
"They share a lot of the same DNA" - EXCELLENT. 😀
I am so NOT going to visit Dice Tower World when it opens - if Tom wants to see people eaten in his park :-)
Claw Town is where it's at.
I got this for my spouse as dino island is one of her favorite games of all time. Am worried that I got her something that won't compare favorably to the original, but Mike's and Tom's verdicts are reassuring. Thanks guys.
So, how did it work out, did she like it?
My favorite part of this review is Tom taking 1 psychic damage every time the word jeeple was spoken
I replaced the boredom tokens with 5mm dice … way nicer and easier to use
I glued them back and fourth (1 & 2) (3 & 4)
Great idea! I’ll do this too. Thanks for sharing!
This would be cool as a computer or video game where on the Jeep tour, you can select the order or tiles you want to activate, the computer marks off if you can actually accomplish task, and then you press play, and you watch an animation of the Jeep tour from the perspective of a park-goer and you can watch people being ripped out of the jeep.
Amazing idea! Reminds me of MYST a bit.
You guys get the perfect of humour and review in these videos - it's my favourite series on the channel.
Btw I love Chris' witty deadpan humour 😂
There is one reliable (but limited) way to augument your workers through the garage upgrades which give you a single worker of your choice per turn (plus one when building it so use time that in a pinch).
I think if there would be more options to mitigate the workers it would result in a run away Leader.
I like that Zee hasn't played the original game, but a copy is sitting behind him in a number of earlier 4 Square reviews in his home.
The live play of this game was one of my recent favorites! Come on down to Claw Town!
So excited to get this to the table (and overtake the whole thing!). I will definitely grab some 7mm dice to take the place of the Boredom tokens!
I think that Pandasaurus should have just took the plunge and put small 8mm dice for the boredom counters. I bought a pack of 100 for $3.50 on Amazon, I can't imagine that it would have cost them that much to get them wholesale.
I did the same. Saves soooo much time and pain.
“It’s a Jeep…ple” hahaha the collective humor of the DT crew is on point!
Interesting, Martin Wallace's London's penalty is polarising and this game uses it exactly!
I'm currently trying to decide whether I should buy Island or world and this review did not help me on that note but I did laugh a lot so thanks for that.
On a scale of 1 to 10: if the person sitting next to you in the jeep(le) gets eaten by a T-Rex, how excited would you get?
I think there might be a bit of a thematic stretch there...
Agreed on the staccato. I use the family variant on BGG
The promo card that comes with the KS version lets you, once per game, exchange up to 2 workers of any colors for another 2 workers of any colors. And it grants you 7vp if you don't use it. Sounds like your feedback about getting a bum last turn because the workers you need weren't drawn was feedback from others as well. Nice to know that was addressed - And you don't really need the promo card at all to play with that rule.
Very good review, really loved the fair scores!
Great review! I propose Grand Cherokeeple as an alternative for Jeeple.
But there is some mitigation! DNA can be split and the Jeeple upgrade can get you a worker of your choice.
We also enjoy the game but found the rulebook & player aid errors bothersome. The boredom tokens are also terrible. Thin cards and scoreboard needed to be duel layered like the player boards. Otherwise we do enjoy the gameplay.😁
The game feels much better once you swap the boredom chits out for dice. We've only played less than 5 times, but still it didn't seem like each player realistically needs more than 6 or 7 dice, as some tiles are so good as to warrant visiting 4 or even all 5 times. I kinda wish the special tiles weren't stacked in such a way as to make the game feel so samey every time, what with the A tiles being on top of the B tiles, who are then on top of the C tiles. Oh, and Incubator feels a bit too good.
I can attest to the absolute annoyance of the Tic-Tac sized boredom tokens. So tedious to punch out. Text printed 1-5 on the tiles with a translucent cube to keep track would’ve sufficed.
The designers said even they used dice, but adding more dice would have upped the price of the game. This is one of those things where I feel giving us nothing would have been better than those small little chads tho. I was so annoyed punching them out.
5mm dice seem to be the way forward.
@@Manny-M I heard 7mm on bgg but hey any dice would be better.
Been waiting for this one!
0:39 Hole in one, Tom!
I understand the lowerish ratings based on personal preferences, but I'm SO HAPPY this got the seal of excellence. It totally deserves it. The retail components alone make it stand out from the crowd.
Walk the Dinosaur - that’s a new one for me! Interesting.
I'm going to replace my boredom tokens with those small d6s. Should be easier to manipulate than chits. Just make sure everyone knows you can't go above 5.
If you can mark off the 6 in some way you can use it as the # symbol
Would love a comparison between Dinogenics, Dino Island and World. Having played Genius and Island, I wondered if this was the best. I think, Dinogenics comes out on top.
the very low point on this game is the number of points given by the objectives, it can easily be 40/50% of the points you'll get in the game, thus becoming the primary objective, and thus deciding what you will do in the game rather than letting you do the things you find fun or establising your personal strategy
In solo (which I'll do most of the time) it's even worse, becoming the only thing you'll actually do or you'll lose so many points for not doing objectives
When does this come out?
Anyone else miss the component drop? Though I suppose if they did that for this game, all those boredom tokens would drift away like new falling snow.
Nah. Made me stressed
If someone makes a Tom Vassel Meeple is it a Veeple?
Damn would need a pretty large table...
28:15 What is Tom talking about? Suggesting that this is more thematic than Dinosaur Island and that Dinogenics was 'even more' thematic than Dinosaur Island. I think he's wearing hats that are 10 sizes too small for his head. Dinosaur World is only 'more' thematic if you want a park that requires jeepLES(!) vs a park more like 6 Flags. And Dinogenics was garbage...so there.
Still surprised that Zee hasn't played Dinosaur Island - was so prominent behind him in videos last year
I don’t think he has an interest in the theme. He even mentioned that in the review.
@@Therisktaker3 It was more how prominent it was behind him for so long. It looked like he was at home due to the pandemic so I assumed at the time that he really liked the game and gave it pride of place.
Between Dinosaur Island (which I really like) and Duelosaur Island (which is fine) and Dinogenics (which I don't like for 2 because of runaway leaders but is good for solo) and tiny epic dinosaurs, why would I want to buy yet a third interpretation of the same theme by the same designers?
I will end up keeping both but I still prefer Dino Island over World. A little more meat to the decisions (always play with a few modules from Totally Liquid). Once we get an expansion for Dino World that might change though.
Exited for the jeeples to arrive
That post credit.....😁👍🏼
I wonder how much the expansions contribute to gameplay. Any thoughts?
Significantly, and each differently. We've played with each expansion on its own once apiece and gameplay felt unique each time. We haven't combined them -- perhaps a bit too much in a game of this type?
Man, Tom must not have liked Honey Buzz and its "beeples".
Is there interaction? Or it feels like eveybody is playing his own game?
Doesn't seem to be aside from which recourses you pick at the start of the turn. Zee kinda touched on this
If I can play DinoGenics, especially with the expansion, I just don't think I'd ever play one of the Dinosaur Island/World games.
20:54 Deeples, if you will...
What do you guys mean when you say 'procedural'. I've heard you say it in a couple of videos recently but I don't quite get what you're pointing at
Good review. I'm surprised the lack of dinosaur esthetics weren't mentioned though. I want to see the triceratops, the spinosaur etc. Else, it's just a building saying T-Rex that is far more boring. Shame, as the cover is awesome.
A bit disappointing that it’s just the dinosaur names on the paddocks, really like to see the artwork of the dinos like in dinosaur island
When I played, the randomness of if someone gets eaten, lead to one person having no deaths and winning at the end of the game with essentially a themepark with almost no dinos...this really threw me off the game. I want big bombastic dinos and crisis in my dino park games, this felt like the way to win was to create a bunch of gift shops and rides with a small petting zoo. HOW BORING.
Yes random elements can be fun in games, but this is not the kind of randomness that causes a trex to come out and eat someone. This is randomness of a spreadsheet you find at the end of the game that has a random negative point value set by the lowest deaths at the table, with that number being fairly random based on if visiting their attractions caused someone to be eaten. AND the negative points are also on a curve, quickly increasing to the point that if one person at the table isn't getting deaths, you have to dedicate your entire game to not having fun, but trying to lessen your kill count as the negative points become crippling to any other strategy.
and that's really the killer, while in island and genics I spent most my game thinking about what I wanted to build, in world I'm only allowed to do one thing if the luck goes against me. It would be like playing a cowboy sandbox game where I have to clean up my act and go to church or the law would eventually catch up to me and put me in jail.
Overall, owning every game in the genre. this was by far the least fun to play, even if mechanically it's really neat up until the end game scoring.
Owning every game in the genre?? Or series you mean? Haha
@@12345678abracadabra if it has a dinosaur park in it, I do own it.. it's a pretty small genre though.
If you are being winning by owning zero dinosaurs, then your competitors must also be having zero dinosaurs. Not building dinosaurs simply is not competing in terms of overall victory points and game incoming compared to building dinosaurs. You might be having to spend a lot of your resources on getting more security to deal with the danger of building more dinosaurs, this is very true. You might be feeling that you are not building enough dinosaurs, which is also a feeling I am having playing this game, but building dinosaurs is a must!
@@Richard-sy1ej didn't say 0, I said barely any (1 herbavore, maybe a second late late game) with 0 deaths due to how visiting deaths trigger dice rolls. two people went this strategy, 1 rolled some deaths, 1 rolled 0 deaths, 0 deaths rolled won. The issue is when people tank out near 0 deaths.. you absolutely can't win when deaths cost you 2-3 points per, you're forced into their game and not the one you want to be in. Nothing you can do that incurs any deaths will be a net gain of points against someone playing it safe, but equally as skilled.
@@82ndmi These strategies making sense how? With getting so little dinosaurs you are getting so little excitement and moneys, so cannot build bigger parks. Investing solely in money and administrators? Simply not effective.
Even strategy revolving around triceratops toss for 4 victory points cannot compete to so many victory points from making bigger dinosaurs. Don't even need to visit and risk deaths until having 3 or 4 dinos, at which point victory points from making dinos alone more than full run of ring toss each round, which also makes no money. What you saying is simply not making sense from my having plays.
They are possibly actual dinosaurs, just not live ones. Dinos decompose and become oil in the ground, that oil is used to make plastic Dinos. Those are REAL dinosaurs.
Poor Chris :(
looks like a fun game. but also seems kind of fiddly for my tastes
They didn't just make up "jeeple". That's what they're called in the game.
Tom wasn't necessarily just taking exception to his colleagues saying jeeple, he was also taking exception of the game using the term. Stay sharp.
Nobody asked the question should you own both? Sounds like the Pandasaurus has its claws in the dice tower.
Oh, I thought I or someone else had said it. I'll say without equivocation this is the better game and I don't think you need both.
Is it the best dinosaur game?
I guess this is going to be another game that i hate while everyone else loves. The other game is too many bones…
Shuddup Tom. Jeeple. Lol
Patrick Sayet
"spending excitement to trigger a tile"?? I saw that nowhere in the rules
I have Dinosaur Island and Dinogenics. I skipped this KS because I thought it would be more of the same
I sold DI in favour of this when I played it on TTS during the campaign. Glad I did as I find the park building and jeeple phase more thematic and fun.
Dinogenics is still my #1 though.
If you average the scores, its a 7.8. Should that get a seal of excellence?
Except they don't average scores. If one DT person says approved or excellent, then it gets the seal.
i love the box art of dinosaur island and the expansions. Im not digging worlds box art.
Ple.
I just don't like the Dinosaur Island games.
Just wanted to point out that even when you can say you liked an eurogame (like this one), scores are quite lower than I would assume for your speech. This tends to occur the other way around for ameri games, just my opinion!
I don't understand. I said I loved the game, and gave it an 8.5. That's pretty high! Do you have any examples of me doing this differently?
It's not a people, so it's not a jeeple. Meeple is me+people. So a jeeple is jeep-people? Maybe it's a Meep. I could get behind meep. Or, you know, just call it a jeep.
When I heard that term in the overview, it physically hurt my brain. It doesn't make logical sense, and it feels like the game designers are saying "aren't we clever/cute."
First !
Is it just me or was there a huge tension at the table … it is very awkward to watch chris and Tom not getting along and Zee signaling Chris to stop talking…
I didn't see that at all.
I think it's just you.
Yeah... just you.
These guys always do banter. And it's what I love about them. But I didn't and have never felt an underlying tension.
Yeah, that's just you. I promise. :)
It's definitely just you