To be sexualized all throughout your childhood, and then sexualized in your adulthood when a show comes out that doesn’t appear to care at ALL about what really happened, must feel so horrific. Our society owes those brothers a massive apology.
Exactly. I commented similar. They have never had bodily autonomy. First their parents abused them , then the justice system and now their “fans” are doing it. Sexualizing them, profiteering off of them. When they can’t do anything about trying to prevent it because they have no rights in prison. It’s just sick. They are grown men now wives and they still get no respect even from a lot of supporters.
Ryan has been giving really bad vibes for years. I say this as a former fan of Glee, AHS, Feud etc. Pretty much every show of his is fucked up and really exploitive (especially towards female characters, child characters, disabled characters and POC characters). He seems like he'll have some dark shit come out about him at some point...
Oh, you KNOW it. Every true crime show wishes it could have the perspective and incredible storytelling that Baby Reindeer has. That's just the thing, though. Baby Reindeer shows respect for the victim (it certainly helps that he played himself on the show).
I dread to think what that show would have been if Ryan Murphy directed it, it would just be trying to discredit the damage that was done while also fetishising the abuse the victim went through. The way that Ryan Murphy writes about things like this almost feel like a confession or like he's trying to justify something about himself
@@spliffyrodgers4266 that last sentence! I just said the same thing in another thread. And I used to really be into some of RM's shows. First Glee, then AHS, then Feud and Nurse Ratched. But he has a real lack of compassion in how he portrays abuse and such, imo. And it's often gratuituous
How does one even say that they want to talk about male sexual violence while simultaneously sexualizing the victims themselves by putting them in an incestuous relationship?!?! How does Riley Murphy even feel like he said anything worthwhile?!?!?!?!?
As someone with SA in my past, you hit the nail on the head. Guys don't talk about that sort of thing, regardless of if it's SA or SH. You get told you should've liked it or should've been strong enough to simply not get taken advantage of regardless of your situation. Even if you were just a boy I'm hopeful that someday we can take men's stories seriously but look at the video Nicole has given us. Today isn't that day. It's taken so unseriously
and i find it so appalling that the brothers are even GROUPED IN with dahmer under the same “monsters” title. one was a sadistic cannibal and the other are two boys who endured years of abuse and feared for their lives
Maybe my moral compass is broken beyond repair, but I mean, the peace they must've gotten from their deaths is insane. I hope they're okay. I just think that murder was justified in this case but NOT in that sadistic cannibal's. So I agree, grouping them in that is just... so odd.
omg i’ve seen those…it’s like “sassy erik moments” and it’s him describing how his dad lunged onto him when his mom locked him in the basement in the dark
with the dumbass wii music over it as if these men didn’t kill their parents and are traumatized and going to live with it for the rest of their lives.
@@briclareliterally‼️i’ve been getting a lot of menendez brothers content recommended to me because i’ve started watching the court tapes (i refuse to watch monsters) and i saw a video that said “erik lighthearted moments in court!” the fact that it was only 21 seconds should maybe make you realize that this was not a lighthearted moment in the slightest. just because he smiled once does not mean he was enjoying himself, have some common sense and respect for what they went through…i don’t have any social media so idk how it is on platforms other then youtube but i just think it’s so disrespectful
@@MaryRiche absolutely. murphy says he wrote the show to raise awareness about male sexual abuse but then sexualized the abuse victims?? like okay we know what this really was for him.
ryan murphy’s directing is a disease affecting everyone .. the whole incest subplot was genuinely disgusting and what really put it into perspective for me was that people i know took the whole show as fact and really believed the brothers were in a relationship like ???
I thought the show was a dark comedy. Eric's attorney was hilarious. Without the gay incest the show would've been about 2 episodes. The director made the gay incest narrative kinda light n fun. The musical pairings to the scenes were also hilarious. After the excitement of Dahmer, something had to be done to jazz up this story.
@@MichaelEllegard-dz1ydTalking about true crime like it's some story to jazz up is disturbing. Imagine one of your loved ones was a victim of someone whose story was jazzed up for entertainment. The Dahmer show was very disrespectful to the victim's family members too…?
Nicole, as a survivor myself… thank you. It’s been deeply disturbing to see people’s reaction to this series. The way childhood sexual abuse is being sensationalized, and two victims who have already dealt with enough non-consensual sexualization are now being forced to confront it again, breaks my heart. Within the same breath I must say I appreciate how you acknowledge that this is an incredibly complex situation in which two deeply traumatized children committed a tragic violent crime. Finally, it means a lot to see someone with a big platform who I respect and admire advocating for the community. Just thank you.
While yes, they suffered abuse from childhood into adulthood, they did commit the murders as fully grown adults. And it was premeditated. As you said, this has nuance, but let’s not treat this as if they should escape responsibility for their adult actions. I’m kind of on the fence about whether they should be released.
funny how his goal was to portray male sexual abuse but then made it into a 'were they or weren't they' instead of just straight up portraying male sexual abuse which means he literally did nothing to help make it so male victims are believed.
As a survivor of incest, i am so disgusted about how people are treatint the brothers. They were sexualized their whole lives. If i was being sexualized like that i think i would have a breakdown. Please just let the brothers spend their life in peace. I hate how the internet basically forgets about what actually happened to them. They are just here to sensationalize. The best thing you can give victims is piece and understanding. Not sensationalizing their storied and sexualizing them!!
I am Ryan Murphey's #1 hater. He's been romanticizing killers since god knows when. AHS is a huge culprit. I am SO GLAD that you are talking about this on your platform because I have been so frustrated with the state of this "genre" for years.
I used to like AHS but I thought it was commentary on parts of american's culture but his transition to real life crimes really showed that it was never that he genuinely thinks morbidity and trauma is cool or something and has been the whole time.
Kinda strange that there's a Menendez Bros "fandom". Even if one is referring to the show having a fandom, it was based on a real-life event. I find that disturbing.
It is so disgusting. These guys are grown men with wives not boy band members. They all claim to be supporters but they aren’t acting very supportive. They are still being used and abused, first by their parents, then the justice system and now their supporters. They have never been given bodily autonomy. It’s just sad. They are in prison so they can’t slap a lawsuit against people trying to profit off of their image being used on t shirts and duvets, like wtf people, just stop. It’s just predatory.
It's disgusting imagining it being your own family or friends in the brothers' shoes, and after all they've endured.... they are reduced to the means to an end for people's entertainment. Makes me thnk of Black Mirror and media like it. They are not alternate universes or potential futures - it is quite literally looking into a mirror, seeing the worst of ourselves.
It’s so upsetting the show portrayed Lyle as someone like his father, and again brought out the claims that Erik is gay, he has said he is not and is even married. IMO those claims came up because it’s unbelievable to believe that he was literally stuck with their abusers and couldn’t “stop” his father from SA’ing him till 18. I truly hope they can be rehabilitated and released from prison and reunite with their families and spend time with their wives, and continue helping people on the outside like they have been on the inside.
@@carm0017 I agree! And people still don’t seem to understand how offensive this show is. People always say “it’s portraying all the POV’s”. ???? You can’t brand a show that is based on real life events as the story of those events, and then have it be centered around opinions and POV’s. Especially when so much evidence proves those claims to be not only insulting, but untrue. Watched the first episode but it’s safe to say I will not be watching more!🤞
@@avery8359 it’s even stranger in my opinion that there ARE multiple POVS and they made a point for the viewers to not be completely sure which one is true. Although I understand wanting to do each person “justice”, it is just strange. Even the last part where instead of them being fearful on the boat during the shark fishing, they are calculated. It’s a RM creation for sure with the unsavory shock value plots.
@@avery8359 sad to say I finished the whole show, wasn’t worth it to say the least! Actors and actresses were great and did their role, the substance of the show just isn’t true to the documented evidence of their case unfortunately.
@@carm0017 yeah I’ve seen some clips of later episodes and I think Cooper Koch especially did a great job portraying Erik, despite the inaccuracies. It’s also very admirable of him that he took time to meet the brothers and is now advocating for them in his interviews about the show.
@@carm0017well none of us were there and half of the story is dead, so I don’t think we’ll ever know the real truth, and it’s just more comfortable for people to blindly believe everything the brothers say at this point. The whole sense of Justice went out the window when this didn’t all get taken to the police before the murders, by anyone.
i keep getting a video recommended to me on youtube that's like "the menendez brothers funniest moments" like what... these are real people, that real horrible things happened to. they aren't comedians performing for our entertainment. you can still advocate for them and for their release without treating them like commodities.
Yes omg! I clicked on it out of curiosity and it was just the brothers being slightly frustrated at the prosecutors (understandably), and edited to the instrumental of savage by Megan the stallion. So strange. And all the comments too: they were like “LMAO HE WAS SO DONE😭✋” like yeah I imagine so, he was reliving his trauma in front of an entire court room and country. Let’s be sensible.
@@avery8359 absolute nonsense omg. A lot of those videos have clips have them like sighing or rubbing their faces like. They are just exhausted wth do you expect nothing is funny about this.
something i’ve found so weird recently is how many edits are being made of both the actors and the real brothers on social media. people are heavily sexualizing the actors and heavily infantilizing the brothers and i’ve noticed it kind of mixes into this disturbing combo that makes me really uncomfortable. it’s so immoral, and that’s just a small piece of what can be worse with all of this. i’m glad im not the only one thinking how messed up this whole situation is, thanks for making this video also nikki you look stunning as always, you’re killing it
I AGREE COMPLETELY. I keep seeing edits get more and more popular, and the captions all say “editing the actor!” but the scenes they’re editing are creepy/disgusting in context, as well as the songs being used (one of the examples I use to explain the issue to my friends is ‘Nasty Girl Remix’ going from roughly a minute thirty into the song). the lyrics are disgusting in the context used, and Nicholas Chavez in particular has another role that is PURPOSEFULLY sexualised that you can edit, instead of editing him in a role where he’s a survivor of sexual abuse.
PLEASE... it's the way I had to explain the whole Dahmer situation to my mum when she was confused on why I didn't want to watch MONSTERS with her...😭 I never saw the show, but with the way people acted with Dahmer, and the fact that both shows have the same director, makes me hesitate a little.
Real. The only thing I could think of when this show came out was, “Is this gonna be the Dahmer situation all over again?” we gotta stop making shows of killers that glorify them (or just stop making shows of them) 😭🙏
As a male survivor of childhood sa when i found out about this case i immediately got invested and not in the fandomish way but in the sense that i felt so strongly and upset by how this case was treated its been a big thing on my mind and if these men dont get to be back with their family one day me and other survivors with feel immense loss and failed in so many ways
Right, it’s a place where you can relate a bit. As an eldest sibling who has been through abuse with my siblings, I relate to Lyle with the sliver of similarity, especially protectiveness no matter what for your siblings, who are like your children if there isn’t a reliable figure around.
I think the key to being a "true crime fan" is the same as being a fan of anything: be fucking normal about it. Like its so easy to be a fan and know boundaries and what is/isnt okay to so and say. Especially when real people are involved and not fictional characters
It’s one extreme or another. The fandom think if you’re not obsessed with a public figure/anything really and loudly advocating for them, then you don’t care and you’re heartless. There’s no middle ground.
I hope this is career-ending for Murphy, and not in a "yay, I never have to work again" way, but in a "Oh no, I'll never work in this city again!" way.
People who just watch true crime now and then, that’s fine. But being a FAN of some of these stories and people is so strange. It’s like people don’t care about the feelings of the people involved and people can’t think critically anymore
I was not familiar with this case until it blew up all over TikTok but I think it’s beautiful that the actor who played Eric was so graceful about the situation and how he went about the role. I am so disgusted by Ryan Murphy with his actions. I hope only purity and light for them at this point in their life and I hope they can truly heal. If you can consume this content and not let it consume you while also respecting the victims and those impacted by the cases then by all means, however, these sort of situations are so incredibly damaging for literally all involved. I hope we can really start to acknowledge this more.
If this was a drama tv show, not "based on" or claiming to be the story of the Menendez brothers, the narrative would be so different. Murphy just loves to hang real people and real stories on otherwise totally fabricated characters
this is exactly what i’ve been trying to say. if ryan wanted to create a drama tv show why didn’t he use different characters? it’s disgusting how he tries to change the story and make it his fantasy but also attempts to add parts of the real story in order to prove he’s trying to do good by creating a show for awareness about the case. he’s gross.
I’ve survived incest and sexualization as a kid and this hits home. I’ve hyper fixated and cried for hours about this case because I went through the same things. I hate seeing them getting sexualized and so much comments on looks. I love and feel for them and this case and I hope they get their justice. God bless🤍
i really appreciate cooper koch, he actually seems interested in learning about the lives of the menendez brothers and playing eric as well as he can. he did such a good job in the show.
it's wild that the first thing i saw related to this show is THE Nicholas Chavez edit. i saw the trailer for the show after that and was SO FUCKING SHOCKED. a show about CHILD S*XUAL AB*SE and THE FIRST THING I SEE FROM it is a FUCKING THIRST TRAP????? so disgusted the internet is vile
Same, like I found it so weird when the whole "that ass perfect baby" song started to come up with the edits, like you can think the actors are hot, but remember what the show is about.
The sexualisation of the brothers is actually insane. In one of my classes, I overheard some girls talking with the teacher about the case and they said “Erik is actually so attractive, shame he’s gay tho” like excuse me? 1. He’s MARRIED. 2. The prosecution in the case tried to infer to the jury that he was gay and ‘wanted it’ so it didn’t matter. How are you a ‘fan’ of the case continuing this shit on? And they were showing the teacher tiktok edits of them and ugh. I wish these people actually cared about the brothers and not their looks, or how the show portrayed them
Ryan Murphy CANNOT seriously be saying his series was for the sake of people being aware of the brothers' situation and at the same time not care about their own respective situations in the same breathe??? SIR, THEY'RE REAL PEOPLE??? 😭
I appreciate how Cooper Koch has been handling the subject matter and by, well, keeping in contact with Erik Menendez. (As an actress myself) There’s a very fine line that I think actors should take into account when it comes to portraying real people when it is an honest portrayal. And so far, he seems to have taken that into consideration. Edit- especially considering the real Erik is still alive. That is an incredibly valuable source and insight to have and to not take for granted.
Exactly.. why can't the public leave these very delicate cases alone, literally no one needs to hear their unsolicited statements on *lived through* personal tragedies. And yes, victims are nothing like celebrities!!
It literally pisses me offfffff how attractive they made Lyle in the show by casting Nicholas Chavez! Here I am trying to explain to my friends it's just the actor that's attractive but after watching the show they all think I'm psycho because of the character and how aggressive they made Lyle😅 I also feel it was wayyyy unnecessary the way they sexualized the 2 in the show and ESPECIALLY the incestuous scenes! Great video girl💖
“It’s just the actor that’s attractive” I don’t really understand this comment tbh, like imo the real Lyle Menendez was very handsome (not sexualizing him, just an observation) but yeah, Nicholas Chavez really looks nothing like him and it’s so obvious to me that Ryan Murphy wanted to sexualize the brothers as much as possible. Cooper Koch looks a bit more similar to Erik than Nicholas does Lyle, but imo he didn’t really embody Erik either because the characterization was so bad. They’re both talented actors, but their model looks were quite distracting and the characterization for anyone who has watched the trial and knows anything about the brothers knows that they’re nothing like how they were portrayed in the show. There’s nothing wrong with finding the real brothers handsome, but making horny edits of them is definitely strange especially considering what they went through in their lives.
@@shannonoreilly4695I agree, you can find the actors or the brothers handsome, because we will always think wether someone was handsome or not, but sexualizing them and making edits is just wrong.
as someone who works in the true crime industry (as in crimes that happen everyday not the media-sensationalized True Crime), people are so strange for idealizing crimes and those who commit them. wish someone put that much effort into reforming the justice system to actually rehab victims who go on to commit crimes
THANK YOU! I’ve seen the entire internet romanticizing these brothers and the horrors they went through, but nobody has stood up for them. Thank you Nicole!!
there's a picture in the beginning that had the show "When They See Us" in it but that show is WIDELY accepted by the blk community and worked very closely to the real victims it speaks about and is very well done. which doesn't really relate to the Monsters series so if anyone noticed that don't let your opinions on Monsters keep you from watching it!!! :)
THANK YOU, thank you and thank you. This is NOT talked about enough. It's so odd seeing how the Menendez brothers suffered through severe sexual abuse throughout their childhood and teen years, but now the media thinks it's okay to do the very same thing again. I think that many are forgetting to realise the fact that the Menendez brothers case isn't just some Ryan Murphy over dramatised Netflix series, it is a REAL case. The way that the media is profiting off of their case is truly sickening. "Funniest and sassiest moments during the Menendez brothers court trial". Excuse me? They were sexualised their whole lives, their case isn't some comical dramatised piece of entertainment. It's infuriating. I hope that once they get out, the media will allow them to live the rest of their lives in peace.
14:12 literally my jaw dropped. I guess it’s better that he’s not trying to hide it ? Malicious intent is so much harder to point out when it’s disguised as good deeds, but still. Omg literally wtf.
thank u for making this bc now whenever someone says to me “but it’s meant to be in different povs!! it’s a dramatized tv show!!” i will link them to this video 🙏
The Menendez case has me feeling devastated and heartbroken tbh. My mental health has been so bad and it’s so triggering whenever I see people ridiculing them still and having no consideration for the trauma and terror they experienced in their situation. I can’t really handle the unfairness of it and the tragedy of their lives. And now all the misconceptions perpetuated by the show and the people that are biased towards the prosecution arguments… I am so scared to hope that the brothers might be released. If they don’t, I know I will be devastated all over again
As a childhood SA survivor, I support the release of the Menendez brothers but I would not consider myself a fan that's just nuts. Also, how retraumatizing to have your childhood abuse be used for such trivialized inappropriate shit.
So spot on. Why do you think mental illness and true crime is being so heavily pushed on the general public, specifically young impressionable teens? They need more content
one time i watched a documentary on the midnight stalker and this mf terrified me so much i had a sleep paralysis episode and saw him standing in my room... not once i thought about making a fancam
the internet and hollywood has rly made us as a society become so desensitized and unserious(for better but also for worse) to things of the such. with the whole George Floyd passing and people joking about that to people joking about Gypsy Rose and the pictures that resurfaced of her mom, to even TMZ posting pictures of Liam Paynes body. us sexualizing serial killers. it really blows my mind
i think because we see these things on our phone and we don’t know them personally some don’t equate that to these being real people with real life problems
not happy with Ryan Murphy ever since Ratchet had an incest, child abuse plot. It was so gross and uncomfortable, but a sadly common theme in Ryan’s shows is sexual abuse. He says he wants to talk about as if it’s for awareness but honestly most of the assault scenes are to cause a spectacle. There is no care or thought towards the audience or the characters. It is just there for shock value and enjoyment i guess?? like its horrible to say but I think Ryan Murphy puts these scenes in to entertain, NOT to educate. I was way too young to be watching AHS when i first saw it and then it made me uncomfortable and now as an adult it makes me disgusted to watch those scenes. I can’t sit through them and because of that I am no longer a fan!
As a genuine supporter of the boys - and have been for almost a decade - thank you for talking about this. Monsters has brought out the worst in some people, unfortunately. Thank you for using your platform to speak on this. The boys deserve justice.💖💓💖💓
@@Cody-to9knare you slow or something they killed nonces not people, with the Linkin park pfp I think I have a pretty good idea of why you would want to defend nonces tho.
I have never heard of this case or this series, however the situation painfully reminded me of what’s been going on in Russian public discourse a couple years ago. I’m talking about three teenage girls who k!lled their father for abusing and assaulting them for years. He was a former police officer with a large network of people so no adult ever stood up for these girls. They were put through endless trials and public outrage at the audacity of these children trying to defend themselves against their captor. Numerous civil rights activists fended for them, and now, as far as I remember, they are finally released from having to serve jail time. All of this thanks to our government rejecting domestic violence protection act.
I really resent that Ryan actually said that he didn't care about the brothers themselves or their story, just an aspect of the story that he wanted to explore. He could've easily written a fictionalised account of male characters who experienced sexual abuse, taken *some* inspiration maybe from the Menendez brothers' case (and cited them as such), and explored that very worthy/worthwhile topic. But no. He had to be an exploitative d!ck and use them and their trauma as a playground for his sensationalistic ideas of what may have happened between the brothers themselves and what their home life may have been like with their abüsive parents. I especially hate that Netflix keeps platforming his sh!t. IDC that his shows get a lot of views and that's their only priority, they could exercise a little more discernment and integrity in the things they choose to platform (and the things they choose to prematurely cancel!). Hate this shit, fr 😓
I think the only solution is for someone to make a dramatization of Ryan Murphy's life, without his consent, with made-up information and "creative liberties" - and then to spend the press tour laughing about how pathetic he is for not enjoying the show or not having watched it
Especially in the last 3 chapters, it's pretty obvious that Murphy wanted Lyle to be an old-school villain (no nuances, he's the mastermind sociopath manipulator, liar, etc). It's so sad because the show ends portraying him as an awful human being, even cruel to his brother who he always protected, and all for the sake of entertainment. Then you look for the videos of Lyle in trial, and the recordings with the reporter, and you watch the testimonies of their cousins, the doctors, etc and see the pictures their parents took of them when they were children and you find out that Lyle actually does real activism on male sexual abuse while being incarcerated and you just feel sick because most people will watch the show and blindly believe whichever story Murphy chose to tell about them (and particularly about Lyle).
i couldn’t agree more with there being a respectful and disrespectful way of supporting them. cause me personally, those little “sassy” compilations always rubbed the wrong way. cause you’re right, the diminish the gravity of the case. i think it’s really weird for people to do that! 😭 as for the comments abt lyle’s stuffed animals, i think some people can view that as infantilization but it can also be seen as “wow, he was just a kid, the abuse he suffered stunted his growth mentally” depending on how people react to it. i will forever support them and i hope and pray that they can finally be set free. i wish them nothing but the best, from what we’ve seen abt them, like actual true depictions not that bullshit ryan murphy made, they seem like very kind guys who did something horrible bc they felt trapped by their parents. its like you said, 2 things can be true at once. yes, they murdered their parents and that’s wrong but also, they’re victims of their parents too. i think they’ve done really good in jail, they’ve rehabilitated, helped other incarcerated individuals, and helped create a better environment in the prisons. i think that goes to show that they shouldn’t spend any more time in jail and should finally be free. erik mentioned in the documentary that he doesn’t have much time left as he’s getting older and that, on top of everything abt this case, made me really sad. they were prisoners to their parents & prisoners to a system that failed to recognize their reasons for murdering their parents, they should just be free. they should be allowed to live the last few decades of their lives at home with their families. i hope they don’t get the gypsy rose treatment tho bc… that level of fame is the last thing they need.
The line between being interested/fascinated in true crime (aka forensics, the law and the crime itself) and being an actual fan is VERY small but VERY different. I realised this reading Penance by Eliza Clark. Idolising criminals, romanticising true crime stories or creating fan fiction (essentially what this show is) is crossing that line. You can be interested in true crime in a curious and respectful way, but this is not that.
if he wanted to talk about male victims of sexual violence he could simply have done that. he is capable of writing fiction. he has the name and clout that people will give him money for a 'passion project'. he chose this case because it has name recognition, and people will talk about it (positively or negatively). that miniseries Unbelievable is about a woman who's house was broken into and she was raped, and then no one believes her. the creator wanted to express that. how women are not believed, how the evidence "isn't good enough" how law enforcement would rather not listen than investigate. so she wrote a fictional story (based on things that of course do happen) and made it into a miniseries. if ryan murphy wanted to explore male victims of sexual violence he could have. maybe show a story set in the 90s and compare it to now? focus on the way women are more likely to believe than men, why that is? even say like "loosely inspired by the menendez brothers" if you fucking HAVE to use their names, you parasite. all this to say i dont believe for a fucking second that he made this to talk about male victims of SA. he made it to make money and have his name in the news.
I've read n seen so much about them because of the time they were trending on tiktok and how horrible I found the case and the way people spoke about them. There's so much information that people either gloss over or just don't know. So many witnesses cooperated the fact they were traumatized and in an abusive household. Both parents were sick individuals, and a lot of evidence showed there were clear signs of abuse for years. This case makes me so mad because at the time the prosecution basically disrespected all male victims of s*xual abuse by saying they could not be r*ped. The details about what happened to them are truly sickening. The show and fan edits cause confusion and potentially more harm. The brothers' have suffered since they were born, yet in jail they've done such good.
i have also always thought it was kindof concerning not in just a quirky way, when they said "i sleep to crime documentaries/ and podcasts" or something along the lines... I just think, it's not just a quirk
the fact they’re obsessed just bc a netflix series come out about it , they’re way late to the party, im glad the brothers are getting attention and support they’ve deserved BUT these fangirls need to chil.. it is fangirling to the max
I watched your previous video abt true crime and that opened up my eyes abt how desensitised I was to hearing those types of content.And I've been seeing so many videos on my page where they are basically romanticising these brothers...all to say this only primarily started once the show was out...That speaks a lot for itself.
I don't like how the brothers are portrayed in the show but I must admit that the 2 actors have very good chemistry. It would be interesting to see them together on another project.
The only thing that really shouldve come out was the documentary. I find so incredbly frustrating seeing the dramatisations of something real that involved terrible violence. Also how lyle was transformed into this two dimensional just angry all the Time person was just really bad writing (that shouldnt have been written in the first place). Truly the only thing i enjoyed was coopers and javiers performance and the Leslie Actor
I have been talking about this to anyone and everyone recently!!! the edits that people have been making about both the actors in the show and the real life Menendez brothers is really icky to me...I cannot fathom why people are sexualizing victims of abuse
I'm not a true crime person. It affects me mentally because i get too emotionally invested. But thank you for making this video! A lot of people needed to hear this especially the last part about edits and fandoms. Edit culture, more than ever today can be too much sometimes and the lines gets blurred. Whether editing the show or the real brothers. It's just so weird. You can appreciate the actors, just don't use scenes from that show. It's pretty odd especially when the topic at hand is sexual abuse & murder. And there are so many appropriate ways to show support and advocate for them, but let's not diminish their story just like Eric said himself. They are victims of sexual abuse and they did killed their parents. They are currently still in prison for what happened. I believe they deserve to be out too. But to be a "fan", using their court videos into edits or making compilation with "meme/funny" music is a whole level of wrong and weird. Also Ryan Murphy is such a scumbag, that is not at all how to bring attention and awareness to male victims of sexual abuse. It is clearly to make a profit.
As a true crime fan and avid Nicole Rafiee watcher, I immediately clicked on this video. I think the general community of true crime youtubers handle talking about the cases in a decent, respectful way and bring awareness to causes that were involved and traumas that were ignored, but there's a few (Ryan Murphy included) who by dramatising the stories by making series' on the cases, filming mukbangs whilst discussing the cases (I've seen an ungodly amount) and the weirdos who make edits of the actual killers are the people doing it wrong. These are peoples lives and if you're going to discuss them, they need to be spoken about with some sense of decorum and decency.
I appreciate that you made this video without mentioning any specifics of crimes. I can be sensitive to those topics, but I’m still interested in the overall conversation
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To be sexualized all throughout your childhood, and then sexualized in your adulthood when a show comes out that doesn’t appear to care at ALL about what really happened, must feel so horrific. Our society owes those brothers a massive apology.
Exactly. I commented similar.
They have never had bodily autonomy.
First their parents abused them , then the justice system and now their “fans” are doing it. Sexualizing them, profiteering off of them. When they can’t do anything about trying to prevent it because they have no rights in prison. It’s just sick.
They are grown men now wives and they still get no respect even from a lot of supporters.
Im just hoping more people will look into it and they can finally get freedom. They’re trying to get their case reviewed by a judge.
literally my thoughts.. you would think they would gather that from watching the show/trials, but no 😕
To this day we still are failing to help them
@@marinterry3055 this here. People carelessly sexualize them and treat them as commodities like that isn't what quite literally ruined their lives.
"The Menendez Brothers fandom...."
.............the what.
Thank you.
Exactly. Enough internet for today 🤮
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Literally my first thought when I read that title.
NO LITERALLY BECAUSE WHY IS THERE A FANDOM 😭
13:43 “The Menendez brothers should be sending me flowers.”
Y’all, the way my jaw dropped. 😳
Vile human
literally speechless. he has no shame, at all.
I just got to that part and mine did too 😮 Truly disgusting and unbelievable
the ego is STAGGERING
Ryan has been giving really bad vibes for years. I say this as a former fan of Glee, AHS, Feud etc. Pretty much every show of his is fucked up and really exploitive (especially towards female characters, child characters, disabled characters and POC characters). He seems like he'll have some dark shit come out about him at some point...
I bet Ryan Murphy wishes he made “baby reindeer”, but he could never be that nuanced.
Oh, you KNOW it. Every true crime show wishes it could have the perspective and incredible storytelling that Baby Reindeer has.
That's just the thing, though. Baby Reindeer shows respect for the victim (it certainly helps that he played himself on the show).
Just reminded me that Baby Reindeer was such a good show
I dread to think what that show would have been if Ryan Murphy directed it, it would just be trying to discredit the damage that was done while also fetishising the abuse the victim went through. The way that Ryan Murphy writes about things like this almost feel like a confession or like he's trying to justify something about himself
@@spliffyrodgers4266 that last sentence! I just said the same thing in another thread. And I used to really be into some of RM's shows. First Glee, then AHS, then Feud and Nurse Ratched. But he has a real lack of compassion in how he portrays abuse and such, imo. And it's often gratuituous
Wth is baby reindeer
How does one even say that they want to talk about male sexual violence while simultaneously sexualizing the victims themselves by putting them in an incestuous relationship?!?!
How does Riley Murphy even feel like he said anything worthwhile?!?!?!?!?
On top of that not ven wanting to talk with the victims. What logic is that?
Because many males think men are highly sexual and WANT IT! Sad.
And ya know what even after his dogshit portrayal I STILL believed the brothers and thought they had served their time
As someone with SA in my past, you hit the nail on the head. Guys don't talk about that sort of thing, regardless of if it's SA or SH. You get told you should've liked it or should've been strong enough to simply not get taken advantage of regardless of your situation. Even if you were just a boy
I'm hopeful that someday we can take men's stories seriously but look at the video Nicole has given us. Today isn't that day. It's taken so unseriously
You misinterpreted the show. I hate it when stupid people don’t understand basic storytelling.
and i find it so appalling that the brothers are even GROUPED IN with dahmer under the same “monsters” title. one was a sadistic cannibal and the other are two boys who endured years of abuse and feared for their lives
exactly, it’s so sad and infuriating
PREACH ‼️‼️
I find that so strange they are completely different cases, the only thing they have in common is the infamy of their cases
Maybe my moral compass is broken beyond repair, but I mean, the peace they must've gotten from their deaths is insane. I hope they're okay.
I just think that murder was justified in this case but NOT in that sadistic cannibal's. So I agree, grouping them in that is just... so odd.
THANK YOU
“i’m trying out this new thing called forming my own opinions” goes crazy. mood.
The "sassy" compilations about the literal worst and most traumatizing time in their lives is what lost me...actually speechless wow
omg i’ve seen those…it’s like “sassy erik moments” and it’s him describing how his dad lunged onto him when his mom locked him in the basement in the dark
yess 😭
Like imagine advocating/actively defending yourself only for the masses to openly sexualize you in that moment
with the dumbass wii music over it as if these men didn’t kill their parents and are traumatized and going to live with it for the rest of their lives.
@@briclareliterally‼️i’ve been getting a lot of menendez brothers content recommended to me because i’ve started watching the court tapes (i refuse to watch monsters) and i saw a video that said “erik lighthearted moments in court!” the fact that it was only 21 seconds should maybe make you realize that this was not a lighthearted moment in the slightest. just because he smiled once does not mean he was enjoying himself, have some common sense and respect for what they went through…i don’t have any social media so idk how it is on platforms other then youtube but i just think it’s so disrespectful
half of my friends are obsessed with this show and half of my friends are terrified at how obsessed they are
real
Being obsessed with this kind of show is weird tbh
My friends are obsessed with the show as well and can’t stop sending TikTok’s of it. I’m annoyed at this point 😒
Cooper and Nicholas had such tantalizing chemistry that them being brothers just helped bring out the zizz even more.
@@alpacafish1269 I think Cooper and Nicholas's chemistry is tantalizing that them being brothers adds to the zizz. Ryan Murphy knew what he was doing
Ryan Murphy does what Sam Levinson does, write out their very questionable fantasies. Has no one clocked this?
Literally, all the shock value ingredients that make both of this distasteful creations.
@@MaryRiche absolutely. murphy says he wrote the show to raise awareness about male sexual abuse but then sexualized the abuse victims?? like okay we know what this really was for him.
yeah that's what i've been thinking. the dahmer series felt really weird and it sexualized dahmer and now thissss🙄 it's so obvious
YES omg thanks you for noticing that. They are both my biggest opps in the entertainment industry
These intrusive thoughts written and acted out on film.
ryan murphy’s directing is a disease affecting everyone .. the whole incest subplot was genuinely disgusting and what really put it into perspective for me was that people i know took the whole show as fact and really believed the brothers were in a relationship like ???
that’s horrible!
I thought the show was a dark comedy. Eric's attorney was hilarious. Without the gay incest the show would've been about 2 episodes. The director made the gay incest narrative kinda light n fun. The musical pairings to the scenes were also hilarious. After the excitement of Dahmer, something had to be done to jazz up this story.
@@MichaelEllegard-dz1yd oh hi Ryan on your alt account
And also casting Cooper and Nicholas. Ryan knew what he was doing
@@MichaelEllegard-dz1ydTalking about true crime like it's some story to jazz up is disturbing. Imagine one of your loved ones was a victim of someone whose story was jazzed up for entertainment. The Dahmer show was very disrespectful to the victim's family members too…?
Nicole, as a survivor myself… thank you. It’s been deeply disturbing to see people’s reaction to this series. The way childhood sexual abuse is being sensationalized, and two victims who have already dealt with enough non-consensual sexualization are now being forced to confront it again, breaks my heart. Within the same breath I must say I appreciate how you acknowledge that this is an incredibly complex situation in which two deeply traumatized children committed a tragic violent crime. Finally, it means a lot to see someone with a big platform who I respect and admire advocating for the community. Just thank you.
thank you for being here 🫶🏻
this this this. I was gonna say the same thing. the beauty and nuance of this video and kindness shown means so much.
While yes, they suffered abuse from childhood into adulthood, they did commit the murders as fully grown adults. And it was premeditated. As you said, this has nuance, but let’s not treat this as if they should escape responsibility for their adult actions. I’m kind of on the fence about whether they should be released.
@@Ren-fo4lg35 years is enough, besides most countries don't have long term sentences like the united states, it's inhuman.
As someone who went through the same you wrote this perfectly this is so true
funny how his goal was to portray male sexual abuse but then made it into a 'were they or weren't they' instead of just straight up portraying male sexual abuse which means he literally did nothing to help make it so male victims are believed.
ryan murphy is like 70 and acts like a middle school girl
He must just be pandering to middle school girls. It's the only explanation.
*And that middle school girl is played by Emma Roberts
i’m an 8th grade girl and please don’t associate me with them😭
That’s an insult to middle school girls
Nah he’s like nearly 60
As a survivor of incest, i am so disgusted about how people are treatint the brothers. They were sexualized their whole lives. If i was being sexualized like that i think i would have a breakdown. Please just let the brothers spend their life in peace. I hate how the internet basically forgets about what actually happened to them. They are just here to sensationalize. The best thing you can give victims is piece and understanding. Not sensationalizing their storied and sexualizing them!!
Exactly! It is truly upsetting. I sincerely hope you are doing well at this moment in life 💖🫶
@@carm0017 i am! Thank you ❤️
Peace
@@Sanabun. dont call me out like that i was sleep deprived T-T
omg I can relate as well. it was not incest in my case, but I was SAed for years in my childhood. and now I'm an asexual. hope ur doing well :)
I am Ryan Murphey's #1 hater. He's been romanticizing killers since god knows when. AHS is a huge culprit. I am SO GLAD that you are talking about this on your platform because I have been so frustrated with the state of this "genre" for years.
I used to like AHS but I thought it was commentary on parts of american's culture but his transition to real life crimes really showed that it was never that he genuinely thinks morbidity and trauma is cool or something and has been the whole time.
@@ArturGlass.C He kind of does both like its parallel to glee, some commentary but so many awful other things.
if ryan murphy has no haters then i am dead
Kinda strange that there's a Menendez Bros "fandom". Even if one is referring to the show having a fandom, it was based on a real-life event. I find that disturbing.
it’s so gross, idk if you use tiktok but its soooooo bad on there. i just block all of it
It is so disgusting.
These guys are grown men with wives not boy band members.
They all claim to be supporters but they aren’t acting very supportive. They are still being used and abused, first by their parents, then the justice system and now their supporters.
They have never been given bodily autonomy. It’s just sad.
They are in prison so they can’t slap a lawsuit against people trying to profit off of their image being used on t shirts and duvets, like wtf people, just stop. It’s just predatory.
It's disgusting imagining it being your own family or friends in the brothers' shoes, and after all they've endured.... they are reduced to the means to an end for people's entertainment. Makes me thnk of Black Mirror and media like it. They are not alternate universes or potential futures - it is quite literally looking into a mirror, seeing the worst of ourselves.
Like supporters/advocates is one thing, but fans?!? these are jailed victims we are talking about
It’s so upsetting the show portrayed Lyle as someone like his father, and again brought out the claims that Erik is gay, he has said he is not and is even married. IMO those claims came up because it’s unbelievable to believe that he was literally stuck with their abusers and couldn’t “stop” his father from SA’ing him till 18. I truly hope they can be rehabilitated and released from prison and reunite with their families and spend time with their wives, and continue helping people on the outside like they have been on the inside.
@@carm0017 I agree! And people still don’t seem to understand how offensive this show is. People always say “it’s portraying all the POV’s”. ???? You can’t brand a show that is based on real life events as the story of those events, and then have it be centered around opinions and POV’s. Especially when so much evidence proves those claims to be not only insulting, but untrue. Watched the first episode but it’s safe to say I will not be watching more!🤞
@@avery8359 it’s even stranger in my opinion that there ARE multiple POVS and they made a point for the viewers to not be completely sure which one is true. Although I understand wanting to do each person “justice”, it is just strange. Even the last part where instead of them being fearful on the boat during the shark fishing, they are calculated. It’s a RM creation for sure with the unsavory shock value plots.
@@avery8359 sad to say I finished the whole show, wasn’t worth it to say the least! Actors and actresses were great and did their role, the substance of the show just isn’t true to the documented evidence of their case unfortunately.
@@carm0017 yeah I’ve seen some clips of later episodes and I think Cooper Koch especially did a great job portraying Erik, despite the inaccuracies. It’s also very admirable of him that he took time to meet the brothers and is now advocating for them in his interviews about the show.
@@carm0017well none of us were there and half of the story is dead, so I don’t think we’ll ever know the real truth, and it’s just more comfortable for people to blindly believe everything the brothers say at this point. The whole sense of Justice went out the window when this didn’t all get taken to the police before the murders, by anyone.
Still can’t believe how they made a Lifetime movie about the Ruby Franke case already without consulting the kids
wait WHAT???
What????
The 8 passengers case, really disturbing tbh and it’s gross they’ve already aimed to capitalize off of it and a flipping lifetime movie no less
ryan murphy hates to see nichole turn her camera on
i keep getting a video recommended to me on youtube that's like "the menendez brothers funniest moments" like what... these are real people, that real horrible things happened to. they aren't comedians performing for our entertainment. you can still advocate for them and for their release without treating them like commodities.
exactly, it’s very tone deaf. Especially when it’s literally moments when they are testifying and it’s “a funny entertaining moment!”
Yes omg! I clicked on it out of curiosity and it was just the brothers being slightly frustrated at the prosecutors (understandably), and edited to the instrumental of savage by Megan the stallion. So strange. And all the comments too: they were like “LMAO HE WAS SO DONE😭✋” like yeah I imagine so, he was reliving his trauma in front of an entire court room and country. Let’s be sensible.
@@avery8359 I've literally clicked not interested and I still get it.
@@carm0017 like they are literally talking about the most traumatic events in their life can we like please have some grace.
@@avery8359 absolute nonsense omg. A lot of those videos have clips have them like sighing or rubbing their faces like. They are just exhausted wth do you expect nothing is funny about this.
I AM SO GLAD I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO FINDS THE COMPILATIONS OF THE BROTHERS IN COURT WEIRD. we have severely lost the plot 😭😭😭😭
something i’ve found so weird recently is how many edits are being made of both the actors and the real brothers on social media. people are heavily sexualizing the actors and heavily infantilizing the brothers and i’ve noticed it kind of mixes into this disturbing combo that makes me really uncomfortable. it’s so immoral, and that’s just a small piece of what can be worse with all of this. i’m glad im not the only one thinking how messed up this whole situation is, thanks for making this video
also nikki you look stunning as always, you’re killing it
I AGREE COMPLETELY. I keep seeing edits get more and more popular, and the captions all say “editing the actor!” but the scenes they’re editing are creepy/disgusting in context, as well as the songs being used (one of the examples I use to explain the issue to my friends is ‘Nasty Girl Remix’ going from roughly a minute thirty into the song). the lyrics are disgusting in the context used, and Nicholas Chavez in particular has another role that is PURPOSEFULLY sexualised that you can edit, instead of editing him in a role where he’s a survivor of sexual abuse.
PLEASE... it's the way I had to explain the whole Dahmer situation to my mum when she was confused on why I didn't want to watch MONSTERS with her...😭
I never saw the show, but with the way people acted with Dahmer, and the fact that both shows have the same director, makes me hesitate a little.
Oooo same lol
Real. The only thing I could think of when this show came out was, “Is this gonna be the Dahmer situation all over again?” we gotta stop making shows of killers that glorify them (or just stop making shows of them) 😭🙏
@@kwttenpawz I know right 😭😭 it's so disrespectful to the victims and their families and in this case, the Menendez brothers
the shirt that said "choke me like bundy, eat me like dahmer" caught me so off guard omh i had to pause
wait what? 😮
@@betmoi think it’s at 24:36
I saw this one in the wild once and I was fuckin gobsmacked bro
As a male survivor of childhood sa when i found out about this case i immediately got invested and not in the fandomish way but in the sense that i felt so strongly and upset by how this case was treated its been a big thing on my mind and if these men dont get to be back with their family one day me and other survivors with feel immense loss and failed in so many ways
Right, it’s a place where you can relate a bit. As an eldest sibling who has been through abuse with my siblings, I relate to Lyle with the sliver of similarity, especially protectiveness no matter what for your siblings, who are like your children if there isn’t a reliable figure around.
@@carm0017 exactly ❗ ❗
we need to get Ryan Murphy into being like . a quirky barista
He'd be SO good at latte art, maybe that'd be enough to stoke his ego
Señorita awesome scene comes to mind 🤣
bad idea, he’d probably roofie people for money
Seeing how Ryan Murphy portrayed them both really showed his true colors
Agreed. I don’t think I’ll be able to participate in watching his future works after that monstrosity (no pun intended)
I think the key to being a "true crime fan" is the same as being a fan of anything: be fucking normal about it. Like its so easy to be a fan and know boundaries and what is/isnt okay to so and say. Especially when real people are involved and not fictional characters
It’s one extreme or another. The fandom think if you’re not obsessed with a public figure/anything really and loudly advocating for them, then you don’t care and you’re heartless. There’s no middle ground.
I hope this is career-ending for Murphy, and not in a "yay, I never have to work again" way, but in a "Oh no, I'll never work in this city again!" way.
Nope they already have a 3rd monsters season coming
@@sundae8151about what😭
@@bloom156 Ed Gein
I hope so too
People who just watch true crime now and then, that’s fine. But being a FAN of some of these stories and people is so strange. It’s like people don’t care about the feelings of the people involved and people can’t think critically anymore
I was not familiar with this case until it blew up all over TikTok but I think it’s beautiful that the actor who played Eric was so graceful about the situation and how he went about the role. I am so disgusted by Ryan Murphy with his actions. I hope only purity and light for them at this point in their life and I hope they can truly heal. If you can consume this content and not let it consume you while also respecting the victims and those impacted by the cases then by all means, however, these sort of situations are so incredibly damaging for literally all involved. I hope we can really start to acknowledge this more.
If this was a drama tv show, not "based on" or claiming to be the story of the Menendez brothers, the narrative would be so different. Murphy just loves to hang real people and real stories on otherwise totally fabricated characters
this is exactly what i’ve been trying to say. if ryan wanted to create a drama tv show why didn’t he use different characters? it’s disgusting how he tries to change the story and make it his fantasy but also attempts to add parts of the real story in order to prove he’s trying to do good by creating a show for awareness about the case. he’s gross.
I’ve survived incest and sexualization as a kid and this hits home. I’ve hyper fixated and cried for hours about this case because I went through the same things. I hate seeing them getting sexualized and so much comments on looks. I love and feel for them and this case and I hope they get their justice. God bless🤍
Same 💜 sending love
I hope you’re able to find some peace/therapy ♥️ sending love. That kind of trauma is unexplainable
@@carolyngirard1808 thank you so much hun
Ryan Murphy loves reminding me why he's been my nemesis since at least 2007.
sexualized in childhood, sexualized in adulthood. and being sexualized prevented them from living a normal life. absolutely sickening
i really appreciate cooper koch, he actually seems interested in learning about the lives of the menendez brothers and playing eric as well as he can. he did such a good job in the show.
it's wild that the first thing i saw related to this show is THE Nicholas Chavez edit. i saw the trailer for the show after that and was SO FUCKING SHOCKED. a show about CHILD S*XUAL AB*SE and THE FIRST THING I SEE FROM it is a FUCKING THIRST TRAP????? so disgusted the internet is vile
they're editing the actor not the character probably, same thing goes for nicholas edits from grotesquerie
Same, like I found it so weird when the whole "that ass perfect baby" song started to come up with the edits, like you can think the actors are hot, but remember what the show is about.
The sexualisation of the brothers is actually insane. In one of my classes, I overheard some girls talking with the teacher about the case and they said “Erik is actually so attractive, shame he’s gay tho” like excuse me? 1. He’s MARRIED. 2. The prosecution in the case tried to infer to the jury that he was gay and ‘wanted it’ so it didn’t matter. How are you a ‘fan’ of the case continuing this shit on?
And they were showing the teacher tiktok edits of them and ugh. I wish these people actually cared about the brothers and not their looks, or how the show portrayed them
Ryan Murphy CANNOT seriously be saying his series was for the sake of people being aware of the brothers' situation and at the same time not care about their own respective situations in the same breathe??? SIR, THEY'RE REAL PEOPLE??? 😭
The whole “monster” series is actually so awful. Like, these are real people, and it not like this is an old case this was 30 years ago!!!!
Can I lowkey just share that I recently got diagnosed w ocd and you have been so so helpful so thank you 🫶
@neko.violet. That's amazing news!
@neko.violet. should I try it?
I appreciate how Cooper Koch has been handling the subject matter and by, well, keeping in contact with Erik Menendez. (As an actress myself) There’s a very fine line that I think actors should take into account when it comes to portraying real people when it is an honest portrayal. And so far, he seems to have taken that into consideration.
Edit- especially considering the real Erik is still alive. That is an incredibly valuable source and insight to have and to not take for granted.
It’s like G. Rose Blanchard all over again. Leave these abuse victims alone, stop making them celebrities
Exactly.. why can't the public leave these very delicate cases alone, literally no one needs to hear their unsolicited statements on *lived through* personal tragedies. And yes, victims are nothing like celebrities!!
Gypsy made _herself_ a celebrity. She loves the attention. This is what she wanted. She's living her best life 🙄
@@feralhomunculusright lol
@@feralhomunculusyeah in that case i don’t even mind bc she consented to the fame, good for her ig!
If Ryan Murphy even tries to make a Sean Combs drama series we NEED to light the torches and grab our pitchforks fr
I think 50 cent beat him to it 😂😂
@@LDa-l9c He's awesome 😂
These poor guys have literally NEVER had personal autonomy and the people claiming to be fans 🙄 are still just treating them like their father did.
I’m so happy that cooper does talk to them and actually seems to respect them
It literally pisses me offfffff how attractive they made Lyle in the show by casting Nicholas Chavez! Here I am trying to explain to my friends it's just the actor that's attractive but after watching the show they all think I'm psycho because of the character and how aggressive they made Lyle😅
I also feel it was wayyyy unnecessary the way they sexualized the 2 in the show and ESPECIALLY the incestuous scenes!
Great video girl💖
“It’s just the actor that’s attractive” I don’t really understand this comment tbh, like imo the real Lyle Menendez was very handsome (not sexualizing him, just an observation) but yeah, Nicholas Chavez really looks nothing like him and it’s so obvious to me that Ryan Murphy wanted to sexualize the brothers as much as possible. Cooper Koch looks a bit more similar to Erik than Nicholas does Lyle, but imo he didn’t really embody Erik either because the characterization was so bad. They’re both talented actors, but their model looks were quite distracting and the characterization for anyone who has watched the trial and knows anything about the brothers knows that they’re nothing like how they were portrayed in the show.
There’s nothing wrong with finding the real brothers handsome, but making horny edits of them is definitely strange especially considering what they went through in their lives.
@@shannonoreilly4695I agree, you can find the actors or the brothers handsome, because we will always think wether someone was handsome or not, but sexualizing them and making edits is just wrong.
as someone who works in the true crime industry (as in crimes that happen everyday not the media-sensationalized True Crime), people are so strange for idealizing crimes and those who commit them. wish someone put that much effort into reforming the justice system to actually rehab victims who go on to commit crimes
THANK YOU! I’ve seen the entire internet romanticizing these brothers and the horrors they went through, but nobody has stood up for them. Thank you Nicole!!
there's a picture in the beginning that had the show "When They See Us" in it but that show is WIDELY accepted by the blk community and worked very closely to the real victims it speaks about and is very well done. which doesn't really relate to the Monsters series so if anyone noticed that don't let your opinions on Monsters keep you from watching it!!! :)
ryan murphy wanting to highlight male sexual abuse but then portrays the brothers as lovers?!?
THANK YOU, thank you and thank you. This is NOT talked about enough. It's so odd seeing how the Menendez brothers suffered through severe sexual abuse throughout their childhood and teen years, but now the media thinks it's okay to do the very same thing again. I think that many are forgetting to realise the fact that the Menendez brothers case isn't just some Ryan Murphy over dramatised Netflix series, it is a REAL case. The way that the media is profiting off of their case is truly sickening. "Funniest and sassiest moments during the Menendez brothers court trial". Excuse me? They were sexualised their whole lives, their case isn't some comical dramatised piece of entertainment. It's infuriating. I hope that once they get out, the media will allow them to live the rest of their lives in peace.
14:12 literally my jaw dropped. I guess it’s better that he’s not trying to hide it ? Malicious intent is so much harder to point out when it’s disguised as good deeds, but still. Omg literally wtf.
thank u for making this bc now whenever someone says to me “but it’s meant to be in different povs!! it’s a dramatized tv show!!” i will link them to this video 🙏
The Menendez case has me feeling devastated and heartbroken tbh. My mental health has been so bad and it’s so triggering whenever I see people ridiculing them still and having no consideration for the trauma and terror they experienced in their situation.
I can’t really handle the unfairness of it and the tragedy of their lives. And now all the misconceptions perpetuated by the show and the people that are biased towards the prosecution arguments…
I am so scared to hope that the brothers might be released. If they don’t, I know I will be devastated all over again
When there is solid proof they were sa I think people won’t ridicule. It’s hard to have compassion when none of us know for a fact yet
@@cheyanneanderson2002🤨
I'm sorry you've been feeling down.
I hope you get better and try to distance yourself from these kinda topics. For your own well being.
As a childhood SA survivor, I support the release of the Menendez brothers but I would not consider myself a fan that's just nuts. Also, how retraumatizing to have your childhood abuse be used for such trivialized inappropriate shit.
Imagine reading this video title to someone in the 90s
Brain aneurysm instantly 😭
bruh this is literally like hunger games. they’re treating these guys lives like it’s their entertainment
So spot on. Why do you think mental illness and true crime is being so heavily pushed on the general public, specifically young impressionable teens? They need more content
ew ryan murphy needs to RELAX “they should be sending me flowers” PLEASE.
0:14 the way you said it sounded like it came from a 1950s movie i cant explain it, something about the tonation
probably the exaggerated delivery lol
It’s kind of transatlantic accentish
@@thebabythesavage ohh that's spot on
making the brothers incest in the show merely based on speculation is just going overboard
nicole i dont want to scare you but the sun is RIGHT next to you
rats!
one time i watched a documentary on the midnight stalker and this mf terrified me so much i had a sleep paralysis episode and saw him standing in my room... not once i thought about making a fancam
Omg same I had nightmares about that man
@jellyflowergirl0.0 the only logical reaction to this guy i guess lol
@jellyflowergirl0.0 the only normal response to this guy
@neko.violet. well too much of it, at least. that's for sure lol
Wait i also had nightmares like this after learning about Ramirez WTF
the internet and hollywood has rly made us as a society become so desensitized and unserious(for better but also for worse) to things of the such. with the whole George Floyd passing and people joking about that to people joking about Gypsy Rose and the pictures that resurfaced of her mom, to even TMZ posting pictures of Liam Paynes body. us sexualizing serial killers. it really blows my mind
i think because we see these things on our phone and we don’t know them personally some don’t equate that to these being real people with real life problems
Where’s the better side of them desensitizing us? I’ve not seen it. Seems like it’s all just going down the drain.
not happy with Ryan Murphy ever since Ratchet had an incest, child abuse plot. It was so gross and uncomfortable, but a sadly common theme in Ryan’s shows is sexual abuse. He says he wants to talk about as if it’s for awareness but honestly most of the assault scenes are to cause a spectacle. There is no care or thought towards the audience or the characters. It is just there for shock value and enjoyment i guess?? like its horrible to say but I think Ryan Murphy puts these scenes in to entertain, NOT to educate. I was way too young to be watching AHS when i first saw it and then it made me uncomfortable and now as an adult it makes me disgusted to watch those scenes. I can’t sit through them and because of that I am no longer a fan!
As a genuine supporter of the boys - and have been for almost a decade - thank you for talking about this.
Monsters has brought out the worst in some people, unfortunately. Thank you for using your platform to speak on this.
The boys deserve justice.💖💓💖💓
A supporter of murder 😂 ok
@@Cody-to9kn look up nuance for me you dunce
@@Cody-to9kna supporter of victims… because you can be both btw
@@Cody-to9knsupporting victims of abuse who were treated unfairly by the justice system *
@@Cody-to9knare you slow or something they killed nonces not people, with the Linkin park pfp I think I have a pretty good idea of why you would want to defend nonces tho.
I have never heard of this case or this series, however the situation painfully reminded me of what’s been going on in Russian public discourse a couple years ago. I’m talking about three teenage girls who k!lled their father for abusing and assaulting them for years. He was a former police officer with a large network of people so no adult ever stood up for these girls. They were put through endless trials and public outrage at the audacity of these children trying to defend themselves against their captor. Numerous civil rights activists fended for them, and now, as far as I remember, they are finally released from having to serve jail time. All of this thanks to our government rejecting domestic violence protection act.
The sun set, the checkered blanket, the primary color sweater, the raven hair, the courage. Beautiful setting 🖤🤍❤️💛💙
When i started seeing edits on tiktok of them I was like omg I hope nicole talks about this 😭
I really resent that Ryan actually said that he didn't care about the brothers themselves or their story, just an aspect of the story that he wanted to explore. He could've easily written a fictionalised account of male characters who experienced sexual abuse, taken *some* inspiration maybe from the Menendez brothers' case (and cited them as such), and explored that very worthy/worthwhile topic. But no. He had to be an exploitative d!ck and use them and their trauma as a playground for his sensationalistic ideas of what may have happened between the brothers themselves and what their home life may have been like with their abüsive parents.
I especially hate that Netflix keeps platforming his sh!t. IDC that his shows get a lot of views and that's their only priority, they could exercise a little more discernment and integrity in the things they choose to platform (and the things they choose to prematurely cancel!).
Hate this shit, fr 😓
I LOVE THE NEW HAIR NICOLEEEEE
I think the only solution is for someone to make a dramatization of Ryan Murphy's life, without his consent, with made-up information and "creative liberties" - and then to spend the press tour laughing about how pathetic he is for not enjoying the show or not having watched it
Especially in the last 3 chapters, it's pretty obvious that Murphy wanted Lyle to be an old-school villain (no nuances, he's the mastermind sociopath manipulator, liar, etc). It's so sad because the show ends portraying him as an awful human being, even cruel to his brother who he always protected, and all for the sake of entertainment. Then you look for the videos of Lyle in trial, and the recordings with the reporter, and you watch the testimonies of their cousins, the doctors, etc and see the pictures their parents took of them when they were children and you find out that Lyle actually does real activism on male sexual abuse while being incarcerated and you just feel sick because most people will watch the show and blindly believe whichever story Murphy chose to tell about them (and particularly about Lyle).
i couldn’t agree more with there being a respectful and disrespectful way of supporting them. cause me personally, those little “sassy” compilations always rubbed the wrong way. cause you’re right, the diminish the gravity of the case. i think it’s really weird for people to do that! 😭 as for the comments abt lyle’s stuffed animals, i think some people can view that as infantilization but it can also be seen as “wow, he was just a kid, the abuse he suffered stunted his growth mentally” depending on how people react to it. i will forever support them and i hope and pray that they can finally be set free. i wish them nothing but the best, from what we’ve seen abt them, like actual true depictions not that bullshit ryan murphy made, they seem like very kind guys who did something horrible bc they felt trapped by their parents. its like you said, 2 things can be true at once. yes, they murdered their parents and that’s wrong but also, they’re victims of their parents too. i think they’ve done really good in jail, they’ve rehabilitated, helped other incarcerated individuals, and helped create a better environment in the prisons. i think that goes to show that they shouldn’t spend any more time in jail and should finally be free. erik mentioned in the documentary that he doesn’t have much time left as he’s getting older and that, on top of everything abt this case, made me really sad. they were prisoners to their parents & prisoners to a system that failed to recognize their reasons for murdering their parents, they should just be free. they should be allowed to live the last few decades of their lives at home with their families. i hope they don’t get the gypsy rose treatment tho bc… that level of fame is the last thing they need.
The line between being interested/fascinated in true crime (aka forensics, the law and the crime itself) and being an actual fan is VERY small but VERY different. I realised this reading Penance by Eliza Clark. Idolising criminals, romanticising true crime stories or creating fan fiction (essentially what this show is) is crossing that line. You can be interested in true crime in a curious and respectful way, but this is not that.
if he wanted to talk about male victims of sexual violence he could simply have done that. he is capable of writing fiction. he has the name and clout that people will give him money for a 'passion project'. he chose this case because it has name recognition, and people will talk about it (positively or negatively). that miniseries Unbelievable is about a woman who's house was broken into and she was raped, and then no one believes her. the creator wanted to express that. how women are not believed, how the evidence "isn't good enough" how law enforcement would rather not listen than investigate. so she wrote a fictional story (based on things that of course do happen) and made it into a miniseries. if ryan murphy wanted to explore male victims of sexual violence he could have. maybe show a story set in the 90s and compare it to now? focus on the way women are more likely to believe than men, why that is? even say like "loosely inspired by the menendez brothers" if you fucking HAVE to use their names, you parasite. all this to say i dont believe for a fucking second that he made this to talk about male victims of SA. he made it to make money and have his name in the news.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THIS
wait… your true crime video was TWO WHOLE YEARS AGO? i swear that dropped like last week
I don’t understand why we have to attach a storyline to a real world event if the storyline is inaccurate. Why can’t we make a completely new story?
he IS the wendy williams of true crime
just clicked on the video but oh my god I NEED TO KNOW WHERE YOUR SWEATER IS FROM ITS SO CUTE!!!
It looks like it’s handmade to me, but idk if Nicole knits
Yellow the label - Zora chunky sweater - Primary colors
I’ve seen tiktoks like this “in another universe this is our two man” and included a picture of the real Lyle and Erik. It’s insane.
When I said I wanted queer rep this was not what I was looking for
I've read n seen so much about them because of the time they were trending on tiktok and how horrible I found the case and the way people spoke about them. There's so much information that people either gloss over or just don't know. So many witnesses cooperated the fact they were traumatized and in an abusive household. Both parents were sick individuals, and a lot of evidence showed there were clear signs of abuse for years. This case makes me so mad because at the time the prosecution basically disrespected all male victims of s*xual abuse by saying they could not be r*ped. The details about what happened to them are truly sickening. The show and fan edits cause confusion and potentially more harm. The brothers' have suffered since they were born, yet in jail they've done such good.
i have also always thought it was kindof concerning not in just a quirky way, when they said "i sleep to crime documentaries/ and podcasts" or something along the lines... I just think, it's not just a quirk
the fact they’re obsessed just bc a netflix series come out about it , they’re way late to the party, im glad the brothers are getting attention and support they’ve deserved BUT these fangirls need to chil.. it is fangirling to the max
2:58 i don't even get how they're gonna get a dna sample out of the end piece of her hair😂😂
This was my exact thought like immediately girl does not know what she’s doinf
I hate to break it to them but that hair sample is garbage.
people on the internet’s reaction to death is actually insane human behavior
I watched your previous video abt true crime and that opened up my eyes abt how desensitised I was to hearing those types of content.And I've been seeing so many videos on my page where they are basically romanticising these brothers...all to say this only primarily started once the show was out...That speaks a lot for itself.
I don't like how the brothers are portrayed in the show but I must admit that the 2 actors have very good chemistry. It would be interesting to see them together on another project.
The only thing that really shouldve come out was the documentary. I find so incredbly frustrating seeing the dramatisations of something real that involved terrible violence. Also how lyle was transformed into this two dimensional just angry all the Time person was just really bad writing (that shouldnt have been written in the first place). Truly the only thing i enjoyed was coopers and javiers performance and the Leslie Actor
I have been talking about this to anyone and everyone recently!!! the edits that people have been making about both the actors in the show and the real life Menendez brothers is really icky to me...I cannot fathom why people are sexualizing victims of abuse
I'm not a true crime person. It affects me mentally because i get too emotionally invested. But thank you for making this video! A lot of people needed to hear this especially the last part about edits and fandoms. Edit culture, more than ever today can be too much sometimes and the lines gets blurred. Whether editing the show or the real brothers. It's just so weird. You can appreciate the actors, just don't use scenes from that show. It's pretty odd especially when the topic at hand is sexual abuse & murder. And there are so many appropriate ways to show support and advocate for them, but let's not diminish their story just like Eric said himself. They are victims of sexual abuse and they did killed their parents. They are currently still in prison for what happened. I believe they deserve to be out too. But to be a "fan", using their court videos into edits or making compilation with "meme/funny" music is a whole level of wrong and weird. Also Ryan Murphy is such a scumbag, that is not at all how to bring attention and awareness to male victims of sexual abuse. It is clearly to make a profit.
nicole rafiee posted guys..world peace is within reach
I audibly shouted “YIPPEEE” when I saw that you posted
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As a true crime fan and avid Nicole Rafiee watcher, I immediately clicked on this video. I think the general community of true crime youtubers handle talking about the cases in a decent, respectful way and bring awareness to causes that were involved and traumas that were ignored, but there's a few (Ryan Murphy included) who by dramatising the stories by making series' on the cases, filming mukbangs whilst discussing the cases (I've seen an ungodly amount) and the weirdos who make edits of the actual killers are the people doing it wrong. These are peoples lives and if you're going to discuss them, they need to be spoken about with some sense of decorum and decency.
“funny moments In court” is CRAAAAZYYY.
I appreciate that you made this video without mentioning any specifics of crimes. I can be sensitive to those topics, but I’m still interested in the overall conversation