Jim Cornette Reviews Who Killed WCW? Episode Two
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- From Episode 537 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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Bret was never going to be used correctly as long as Hogan had Biscoff’s ear.
Brett should have found one of those WCW drs that the guys would use to NEVER wrestle but still get paid. Hell Virgil was there for several years and never wrestled a match. he was just cannon fodder for the NWO and was probably making 6 figures, no wonder WCW is dead
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I never liked Hogan and Bret Hart is my #1 GOAT. Would still like to see them in the squared circle and watch Bret beat the lies out of the Hulkster.
Bret was hurt a lot by the America v Canada angle. Americans just did not like him anymore.
What was “use him correctly”?
Have him beat everyone?
Maybe there was a reason why Vince let him go to the competition?
I think it's hilarious that Goldberg is tired of Brett whining about him ending his career, while Goldberg is still whining about Regal embarrassing him.
What Goldberg did wasn't deliberate what regal did was not to mention bret was hurt before he wrestled Goldberg he forgave Goldberg only to knock him years later
@@KAR5AVATARGT How do you not deliberately kick someone in the fucking head that hard? He was unsafe, every injury was as intentional as drunk drivers, inability to control yourself is on you, not the victim.
@@Bananahammock681if you watched the documentary you’d know Goldberg let him know a kick was coming. Bret kept his hands down and in the interview acted like he didn’t know what “watch out for the kick” meant…
It means watch out for a KICK BRETT!!
But I do agree, he(Goldberg) was very unsafe. Also, Brett screwed Brett by continuing to wrestle afterwards, and going into the match after just recovering from a concussion beforehand..
yikes.
How did Regal embarrass him?
@@Bananahammock681 Goldberg did the kick in every match and only injured one guy. Maybe Bret was disinterested like he seemed most of his WCW run.
Give it 5 years & we will have the next VICE Documentary : Who Killed AEW? Tony and Bucks will still blame it's all Punk.
More like 5 MONTHS.
You give it five years?
@@jamespaul6315 why ppl keep forgetting the fact Tony will pump in more of his dad's money, not that will change anything or turn the tides but as long Tony have his dad's checkbook, he will keep blowing off his inheritance.
@@rajakghosh6602 fair point. But even dixies parents at one point said enough
@@jamespaul6315 exactly it's all upto his dad now. The day he grounds Tony and sends him to his room and stop the funds once and for all.
I can't wait to hear Jim's reaction to Goldberg calling Russo "shitstain".
😂😂😂
As soon as I heard it I thought the same thing.
Oh Goldberg going to be his favorite with Goldberg saying if I want to hurt him he'd be in the ground
I have my notifications set for that one😂
Seriously I can't wait to hear Jim's whole reaction to that episode. The amount of bull shit coming out of "Shitstain" in that episode is going to be great. I almost think Goldberg listens to the drive-through when he said that XD
Bischoff glazes Hogan so much. Even to this day. It's hilarious. Find yourself a friend who loves you as much as Bischoff loves Hogan.
Glazes is overused and corny
He's the ultimate Hogan mark. It wasn't a big problem at first until Hogan started abusing his contract with Eric's support. Vince Russo solved that problem, but the way he did it damaged everyone like dropping a nuke on a spider
Sounds like you could use one.
say what you will, but bischoff did stick with hulk through his worst years during the divorce, buying his trademarks and intellectual properties for pennies on the dollar so linda couldn’t get them.
if nothing else, he’s definitely a true friend to hogan, which i think is saying something in the wrestling business
@cartercartercartercar it's either Hogan or Flair as a friend and any day of the week anyone who knows those two would pick Hogan. Dude has honesty issues but he doesn't backstab you on a whim. Ric though, well let's say Steiner was right about him
“A stiff phenomenon made of potatoes”
🤣🤣🤣
I didn't know that you could stack potatoes that high. 😂
Poetry
This episode of Vice probably drew double of what AEW drew this past wednesday.
So. You won't receive a dime from either
@@annierushing4796You getting paid to shill for Tony Khan?
@@HistoricallyRomantic I don't like AEW. I don't get a hard-on from AEW missteps or misfortunes. Enjoy yours though!
@@annierushing4796 then why go out if you’re way to defend them??
JJ Dillon once said years ago,
"Problem with Eric suffers from Selective Memory loss"
I read Bischoffs first book and I lost count how many times he said "I can't remember" each time he didn't want to take responsibility for anything bad.
He’s perfectly “qualified” to run for political office in that respect.
@@mr.green2341 Bischoff's silver tongue and weasely antics would make him a perfect fit for DC.
Does anyone else think Goldberg was essentially the ultimate warrior dressed up like stone cold
Well said Fella 😂😂😂
I disagree. Especially if you only watched his last WWE run yeah he was booked like Warrior. In WCW he would do the press powerslam Bron was doing. The fallaway pump handle slam damn he may not have been much better of a "worker" but he was an actual athlete instead of a statue like Warrior
Damn, that is a fucking great analogy. I salute you sir
Not really. Goldberg could move.
Imo overratedberg don't hold a candel to warrior
Starrcade 97 should have been the biggest pay per view in history. Bottom line is Eric had his head to far up Hogans ass to run the company right.
All the big screw ups involved Hogan
1. Starrcade 97
2. Fingerpoke of Doom
3. Bash at the Beach 2000
4. Hogans Creative control
5. Hogan putting himself in main event in Georgiadome
Starcade 97 was the biggest ppv buy rate wcw ever had
Yes but Hogans change of finish killed the fans interest and couldn’t take it seriously after that. It burnt the fans when all they needed was a clean face win. I think that’s what he’s trying to say
@@BetterCallJamie you failed to mention sting’s lack of tan on that night though 🤗
@@analiysanchez9949Yes, because people ordered the PPV before it happened. The finish to the PPV ruined everything. Plus the PPV had an extremely weak undercard, and Nash no showed because he didn't want to job to Big Show. Just all around horrible. And Nash got away with it and actually went OVER the Giant the very next PPV. Disgusting.
The PPV was booked horribly. Luger should have wrestled the Macho Man instead of Buff. Zbyszko should have wrestled Hall instead of Bischoff, since that feud had been building for months. And Bret should have not debuted until AFTER Starrcade. They should have never made Sting vs. Hogan about the Montreal screw job.
I do like Kevin Nash but hearing him explain "The Finger Poke of Doom" comes across as "It was a good idea. The fans just didn't like it."
He said we got them how did you get them by exposing the business
Nash only cares about Nash. Not sure why anyone would like him. Some of his stories can be entertaining but but I can only tolerate him in small doses since he's stone out of his mind most of the time.
@@Larry-dq4ighe did the same thing in TNA and when Dixie Carter wasn’t having it anymore he started spreading rumors that he slept with her.
That's like a comedian saying that their jokes are funny even though nobody is laughing.
@@marcussabom2696 Exactly. Being as it's the fan's opinion that matters, whether Nash thought it was a good idea or not is irrelevant being as him liking it wasn't going to compensate for people not ordering PPVs or watching the show to justify what advertisers paid (admittedly the FPoD didn't have an immediate negative impact on ratings; that would happen later as big names got injured, or went to film a movie in Goldberg's case).
I love how every ten minutes there is a random cut and I hear “I fucking hate wcw, Bischoff, and Bill Goldberg” and I laugh because I know Bret is about to complain for a minute straight 😂 I love bret
His poor attitude screwed himself.
Russo "it wasnt me bro"😂
"I was better than 80% of the roster!"
@@MarquisLeary34 "it was hogan and Eric bro"
"The ratings went up in the first 3 months bro"
Bro and Brother killed WCW. 😂
I think it was already heading in a downwards trajectory before Russo entered the frae.
Bret Hart was the hottest wrestler in the world when he signed with WCW.
Their mishandling of him was incredible.
No he wasn't. Survivor Series '97 did terrible on PPV compared to Starrcade weeks later. Bret wasn't as hot as Sting, or Hogan, or Luger, or Savage, or Nash, or DDP, or even Flair at that time.
@@quentinkaasa47 everyone knew about the screwjob, even those that didn't tune into the PPV. The whole incident made Bret the hottest babyface and the move to WCW brought a ton of disgruntled fans with him - it's on Eric and his creative control policy that his run was ruined, he didn't want to listen to the guy that had made a career out of making stars and just let him sit in the back doing nothing.
@@quentinkaasa47 Depends on the territory. I think he means Canada and the new york territory. But in the south for sure Sting, Luger,DDP, Randy, and of course Hogan.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637Bret brought "a ton of disgruntled fans with him", yet RAW's ratings just so happened to start soaring higher and higher with Bret finally gone. No, Bret was never the hottest property in wrestling in 1997 or 1998. This was peak nWo era and when Nitro dominated RAW for 83 straight weeks. Bret was grossly overpaid by WCW. He was not at all as hot as Hogan or Sting in the aftermath of the screw job.
I have figured out Bischoff. If it was a great ideal and he came up with it or was involved then he has perfect memory. If it was a bad one, then he can't quite recall.
Or makes up excuses
Bingo. Bischoff wants all the credit for all the WCW successes he was involved in, but refuses to accept any responsibility for the WCW missteps.
He's admitted many failures in this series. what else do you want?
The biggest blindspot Eric Bishoff has in being honest about WCW's death is Hulk Hogan's role in it. It's no wonder Hogan won't participate in these things, Eric's there to spin his narrative for him.
The PR guy for the man that cannot stop lying.
If it wasn’t for Hulk Hogan, WCW woulda been in the dumpster by 96, hon.
Hogan wasn't the biggest problem.
Kevin Nash was insanely over back then. Not as over as Goldberg (nobody was), but he was right up there with DDP, Sting, etc. at the time.
The funny thing is, the finger poke of doom completely derailed his own momentum as well.
That whole situation worked out for one person and one person only.
Guess who that was, brother?
Wolfpack Nash always got the loudest pops.
Hogan's level of solipsism is on par with a child or an airhead female. Everything should revolve around what the fans want, not yourself. It's a make believe world of coked up steroid abusers putting on a show.
When you have creative control over your storyline, you basically have creative control over EVERYONE'S storyline..
I’m with you on this. Actually, Nash would have been tied for second, because Sting was out during this time. Yeah, it’s easy to make fun of him now if you want, but Nash was over as hell during this time. Probably more so than at any point in his career.
The fans were starting to turn on Goldberg when his win streak ended. It's fair to say that Nash was WCW's hottest star at that point, even after Scott Hall helped him win.
@@quentinkaasa47 when nash beat him there was cheers then boos also nash did what ever he could to kill his push wcw did not know what to do after the streak ended
I would watch the first hour of Nitro at 8, switch to Raw from 9-11 and then watch the rerun of Nitro from 11-until I passed out. I miss those days
Same
I don't remember Nitro being back to back. I worked a lot of nights, maybe I just didn't know.
@@maitreyas.4902 it seems like there was an hour break from what I remember
@@moorecav213I remember the Nitro re air at 11 pm eastern. Another great thing about those days with analog cable is that you could switch back and forth instantaneously.
I remember this too. Thank you for bringing back some memories lol
Find someone who hates you as much as Bret Hart hates WCW.
It sucks after the screwjob that THAT was the backup plan. Totally squandered Bret.
Um Paul Heyman
Well if you lost at least 10 years of a great career and millions of dollars and also your health in the process you will be pissed, Bret was and still a gold standard for wrestlers!
@@thewhitelodgery What would you have done w Bret. Remember Bret was significantly diminished due to the America-Canada angle. Bret was essentially damaged goods
@@vipaccess-puertorico4462 bret suffered concussions before the goldberg incident, and wrestled and hurt him self more after he fought goldberg. It was a ticking time bomb for bret. Yeah Goldberg botched a move, but youhave to blame his handlers for that, management. Goldberg didn't get proper support and guidance in wcw.
Plus bret is kinda exagerating on his hate for wcw. In other interviews, he talks about the good days in wcw.the money he got, the service they give. The y put him in nice hotels and car service, and he worked less shows while getting paid. Even eric bischoff showed a gift the bret gave him, which eric still has hanging on his wall, which he showed off on his podcast a few weeks ago,
Hogan saved WCW but in the end he killed the damn thing.
It was Me BROTHER it was Me all along Brother Dude Jack.😂😂😂
Spot on my man, Mr "that doesn't work for me, brother"
@only1icon1801 this is not Me defending Russo by any means. But how the hell can you make booking plans if guys walk in and chage the script every fn time and Hogan wasn't the only 1 doing it. And btw I knew there was another lay down spot and I remembered when they showed Sting vs Hogan at Havoc 99. And now I remember that was the last wcw ppv I ever ordered. The messed up thing is I don't remember who did the lay down. Was it Hogan himself???
@only1icon1801 I looked up that Havoc 99 and yes it was Hogan. I always said there was more to the Bash finish vs Jarrett than what we were told. I'm convinced Hogan worked Russo into him going home suing and getting more money without him working a single minute. Russo got worked brother and he didn't know by doing that promo he was only getting Hogan more money and more over.
Bad creative killed WCW.
Bad follow ups. The FPOD had a terrible follow up. Goldberg went to feud Bigelow. Hogan went to feud w Flair. Why?
Giving Goldy v Hogan a way on free TV was not the problem. Never going back to a rematch was the problem.
Hogan v Goldberg still would've been huge at BATB '99.
Goldberg calling Russo Shitstain was the moment i spit my Sprite out....😂😂
I definitely missed that part.
😆
Kevin Nash only ever cared about money, not the fans. And thats why he'll go down in history as always being a part of something, but never being anything.
And he falsely claimed having a heart attack to get out of losing to the Giant @ Starrcade 97. That match was a big reason why I ordered the PPV.
The Big Lazy...
Kevin Nash is Based
A more selfish hhh
“He didn’t care about the fans”.
Oh dear 😂
“A stiff phenomenon made out of potatoes” is my new favorite Cornette line lol
Goldberg blames Vince "shitstain" Russo was really responsible for WCW's quick death.
Goldberg is a moron. He blames it on them taking the belt away from him. If I disliked him before he made me really hate him.
I Loved Nash Powerbombing him and beating the little mark.
nWo 4 👉
That's giving russo too much credit. Wcw was already on life support when they hired russo. He was supposed to be the Doctor that heals wcw. He was a doctor alright. Doctor Kevorkian
Why can't any of you write a comprehensive sentence? Is this thread for stroke victims only and I wasn't told?
@@FURTHER_ADO welcome to the ICW
Goldberg has been awesome in this series
Kills me when people say "You can't have a babyface champion, he has to chase."
Uh huh so Bruno, Pedro, Backlund, Hogan, Savage, Warrior, Bret, Austin?
Fuck it, Bruno, Hogan, Austin. What fucking championship chase drew more god damn money than those 3?
Yeah the chase only worked in the NWA. Where the national champ would face the local top babyface, make them look good and then cheat them out of the title. For anything national or insular regional (Bruno) top babyface is better.
@@Hyde_Hill I mean it all depends. Both Super-Cena and HHH reign of terror pushed fans to the brink.
But I know a number of people who constantly bloviate about how it HAS to be all about the chase, always. That, say after Cody won, he should have been "fucked" out of the belt at the next big event and started chasing again.
Exactly nash didn't know what he was talking about he booked himself to end the streak which he lied about in interviews
@@MaxxCoyotecena turned away fans because he wasn't believable and he was forced down people's throats after 2008 triple hs reign of terror he was a heel and every baby face the fans wanted to win didn't win until it was too late batista is the only guy triple h put over willingly after 3 years of bullshit. Bruno and Austin got over with the fans and were organic
@@KAR5AVATARGT You are extremely tiresome.
I wonder how many TVs Jim broke while watching episode 3, with Shitstain on the whole episode. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂
I was just thinking that. I’m very much looking forward to Corny reviewing episode 3. 😂😂😂😂
Bro I'm lit ER ally looking forward to that wres A ling episode bro
Facts am waiting for that video I know Jim about to tear him a new one
Bro. I. was. BETTER. THAN. NINE. TY. PER. CENT. OF. THAT. ROSTER.
I don't even know Russo and I wanted to break my tablet part way though the episode just listening to his voice.
Booker T was pissed off after this.
Why?
Joe Henry outdrew the entire AEW lockeroom. God that's fucking embarrassing
I believe in Joe Hendry, which is more than I can say for AEW.
Aew should buy him out and make him the number one star in that f****** company would probably do something better I don't know mjf ain't it never was in my opinion
@@DarkNorthEmperor Man the Tony Khan ballwashers are quiet lately...
I believe .. 👏👏
@paulcarpenter7844 if you were a fan of Joe Hendry, why would you want him to go to aew? Why would his outcome be any different than anybody else in that company?
Bret has every right to be mad still about that kick. On slo-mo it looked brutal.
On slow mo, it’s surprising it didn’t break Bret’s neck the way his head snaps like that.
Even if it were true that Goldberg was flopping as a champion, why would the solution to that problem be going back to Nash and Hogan, two of the reasons why you needed a Goldberg to begin with? That's like going back to Ultimate Warrior if Steve Austin was starting to fail.
Nash was never champion before beating Goldberg. So there was nothing to go back to. It was completely fresh.
WCW should’ve just booked an injury angle after Goldberg won the title. The NWO injure Goldberg and he vacates the title. Hogan gets it back while Goldberg trains off-air for six months to a year. Goldberg returns and regains the title. Then build a program between a properly trained Goldberg against Bret Hart. The finish is that Bret Hart ends Goldberg’s streak.
No one cared about long-term booking like that. They tried to just hot shot shit that worked and made money in the moment. There was no Tiple H and Paul Heyman there. I'd love to see how Triple H would fantasy book WCW in 1998.
Or they could not have him win the title at all at that point. Show him training, getting better and doing longer matches with better move sets. Even have him win a lesser title. Since it was "all about the chase" then at least make a plan for where the chase was going end up! Hogan vs Goldberg should have been a longer match that had a build up to a main event PPV. It should not have been a throwaway squash on cable tv! That was ridiculous!
@@shantb6548 That would’ve been the smartest maneuver.
I will give a nod to these guys for not capitulating to the trend of doing zoom vids like the rest of these podcasts. Seeing people smoking, chewing pencils, rocking in their chairs, watching their dogs and cats, etc. etc. is not necessary.
Thing is, WCW Nitro didn't feel like 3 hours, Raw feels like 9 now. 😉
Wonder if the latest episode of Dynamite drew less viewers than Kevin Nash using every excuse imaginable to justify Starrcade 98 and The Fingerpoke of Doom.
You getting paid off it
Goldberg needs to stop whining about the Regal match himself
When was he whining about it
On this weeks, Who Killed AEW?
Ep 1 Tony Kahn
Ep 2 Young Bucks
Ep 3 ??
Ep 3 the Kenny Omega mega push
Ep 4 Cry me a river
Ep 5 punk and the brawl
Ep 6 cody leaving for wwe
Vanilla midget jobbers and peruvian blow.
Who killed AEW.
Tony Kahn
Tony Kahn
Tony Kahn
Without Hogan going to WCW, Eric has no career. That single move is what made any of his success in WCW possible. He will be loyal forever for that I'm sure.
Eric realizes that if the NWO had flopped, he would have been out just like his predecessors; thus, I understand the loyalty to Hulk.
Not totally true.
@@annierushing4796which part?
Eric was already turning WCW around and was saving them money before Hogan showed up.
@@quentinkaasa47not booking wise
Bret has every right to still be pissed. Imagine if some asshole kicked you in the head like that, you’d remember
He was concussed before that right? If you watch the match Brett seemed out of it even before figure four mishap on the outside floor
And he has every right to be. His anger is completely justified. Bret comes from a family of wrestlers who are very passionate about their craft. He trained his entire life to be in that ring. If some mouth-breathing meathead cut my career short, I'd hold an eternal grudge as well.
At least it was an accident, his brother broke a neck while using a move he was told not to do, but even Austin isn't still crying about it
@@danday9697 seriously, what kind of a jaqazz does a dangerous tombstone piledriver by jumping in the air and landing on their ass?
Jim+Brian >>>>>>> Eric+Conrad
I like listening to Eric and his view of things but trying to listen to Conrad is unbearable.
CONrad
@@BetterCallJamie I used to listen to Bruce Prichard's podcast and Tony Schiavone's as well, but the constant ads and Conrad's stupid sense of humor, made me quite listening around a year ago.
@@BetterCallJamieConrad's great
Conman Thompson aka Connie The Hutt
Oh Bret 😂 can you blame him for being how he is ? He went through so much during that time .. Owen died months before his career unexpectedly ending . Not even mentioning Davey & his parents with a stroke in between those years .
Brett bringing the word “imbecile” back into modern communication was the best thing from this series.
That’s up there with some of Corny’s like “effluvia” or “falderal”.
Can’t wait till he hears the dumb shit Russo said.🙈
I've watched all of Jim's Russo shoots. He won't be surprised by any of it.
Don’t forget Toxic Shock
When you say ''Dumb shit'' when you're talking about Russo.....That encompasses a LOT.
I'm actually afraid for Jim's health, because if he sees the bullshit that Russo is trying to explain or justify, I fear that Jim will have a coronary...
I would be interested to hear Bischoff talk about WCW after Hulk Hogan is dead.
Can't wait for the commentary on Shytstains "I'm better than 80% of the WCW Roster" 😆🤣🤦♂️
Wanna see if he caught Punk mimicking JC lol.
LIKE MUSSOLINI!
I saw his segment. What did I miss?
@@john_blues "LIKE MUSSOLINI"
Finger poke of Doom + Spoiling Raw was the show that for me took WCW from must see to checking it out only when certain people were wrestling. Killed it for me.
“NO BILL..Its not an accident,its a career ending injury,you idiot!” “Then I somehow wield myself up for this imbecile to run through me” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 God I love Bret
Bret shouldn't have been doing that stupid figure four spot. Taking Nashs powerbomb or hardcore match with funk...but yeah goldberg
Dude Kevin Nash is such a DOUCHE like i had to pause and take a breather every time he spoke...also goldberg admitting he couldnt wrestle and didnt know what to do in the ring WITH THE BELT but crying that they could of kept the belt on him cause "he never got tired of seeing tyson beat up dudes" YEA CAUSE TYSON CAN ACTUALLY FIGHT. Like Godly man, and of couse the #1 reason Hulk Hogan after goin on his world lying tour didnt have the time to do ANY episode
That doesn't work for me brother is what he said.
Nash being a douche is one of his best qualities second only to being a lazy douche
It’s amazing to witness everyone in the documentary throw each other under the bus
Thanks, Corny. Thanks Brett. Bischoff not taking responsibility is pretty on brand. 🔥
I never had an issue with putting hogan vs goldberg on tv; I just didn't get why goldberg didn't just win by DQ & also get a PPV payoff
Or why that match was not the main of Starcade
They did it for the ratings. Many other Nitros had PPV maint évent level matches too.
@Jonemer88 definitely understandable, I'm like since they already got the rating, steal another big rating (or buys on ppv) by not having him win the title there
What I'm mostly learning from this series is that nothing in discussions of wrestling history makes me angrier than hearing people talking about the company when it was called the WWF but calling it "WWE."
You are 10000% correct.
This ALWAYS bothered me also
half of them still want a job so they've drilled the old name out of their head lol
Maybe next year Jim will review Who Killed AEW? We’ve reached the 500K viewers era…
I'm more excited for How the Hell is TNA Still Alive? (It'll probably outdraw AEW too)
@@MarvinT0606 Because TNA has been good for the past year or so, particularly the last 5-6 months.
@@MarvinT0606 with how WWE is now and has used tna workers (starting w mickey James at the rumble) I think that WWE might be financing some of the bills over there in tna
Patiently waiting for the AEW ratings video to drop…
I won’t spoil it but Corny going to have a field day with them
We all are lol
@@bobbbobb4663aew is falling apart
They announced the Goldberg/Hogan match on the Thunder before, so they had four days to promote it.
Looking at the dysfunction inside Turner and WCW, it's a miracle it lasted as long as it did.
I can't wait for Jim to cover the next episode. Especially his reaction to Russo saying he was better as an on-air character than 80% of the locker room there.
Watched episode 3 with my mom and she says to me “I understand why Cornette hates Russo so much”😂😂
I just hope that Jim doesn't have a coronary from watching it...
Russo still doesn’t accept his wrongs. When he complained about Goldberg spearing him through the cage well he shouldn’t have been there in the first place. But Russo was an attention hog and wanted to be on the show. Same with Ed Ferrara.
Jim Herd, Hulk Hogan, Turner Execs, and then Russo driving the last nail. There. That's who killed WcW.
This. Also bishoff.
Bro the ratings went up...slightly but they did go up bro😅
Bad creative. Fucking over the paying customers with lackluster effort from there top stars.
Swing and a miss. The AOL merger, the Dotcom bubble burst and Jamie Kellner cancelling WCW is what ultimately killed the company.
@@quentinkaasa47You’re talking to Jim Cornette groupies who use his talking points and WWE narrative to bury WCW. These idiots don’t know about the coup they pulled off at Turner and how WCW was hated the day Ted Turner bought it from Jim Crockett Jr. Cornette’s audience is mind numbingly stupid.
Having Bret Hart the Leonardo Da Vinci of Wrestling and don't knowing what to do with him is ridiculous.....
Goldberg also botched the figure four with Brett on the turnbuckle.
Yeah, he messed it up and Brett smashed the back of his head on the concrete. He def should've avoided that spot with Greenberg.
Which given his limitations shouldn't have been done
Of course Nash is going to say the money is the babyface chasing the title. Of course you’re going to say that when you book yourself as the heel on top with the title🤦♂️
I don't know why he would say that, either. They just said Hogan called and said he was going to lose to Goldberg on free tv! There was no chase at all!
At the time when they aired Goldberg vs Hogan on Nitro for free, they were so desperate to get one over in the ratings against Raw. It just goes to show that WCW didn't have any structure or long-term planning, that it was just one big mess. Look at Bret Hart.
I remember following both companies at the time and thinking how insignificant Bret Hart felt like during his tenure there. He became a nameless mid-carder.
That was always the problem with WCW. They could never snap-out of their mania to fight the WWF and followed them step by step BUT ignoring their own strengths as a promotion. They took in WWF talent while letting many of their homegrown guys languish. They won 83 weeks in ratings but lost the promotion war.
Compare that to ECW who didn't care too much about who they were competing with and refined their brand to an artform.
But on the other hand, WWE had this exact same problem when all those WCW talent migrated to their promotion during the buyout. WCW mishandled Bret Hart, while WWE mishandled Scott Steiner
@@MarvinT0606ECW also went Bust though Bro
Yup exactly. I was always astonished by the amount of talent that WCW had. I mean sure, they were ex-WWF guys but they were talented but man, was WCW stacked!!
But when you have guys like Curt Henig, Piper, Flair, etc all feeling like any other person .. damn lol. WCW had so much talent that they didn't know what to do with. Plus, coupled with the fact as you said, their younger roster just languished, yeah, WCW was a mess.
@@liamnguyen2819all were old broke down and past prime
So Cornette has never actually seen Russo-era WCW before? Wouldn't it be hilarious if after watching the next episode Cornette was all "wow, I don't know what people were complaining about, that was amazing. I owe Vince Russo a big apology!"?
Someone should ask Nash to explain the contradiction of his buddy Hogan getting to run with the belt (whether face or heel), but “the money” is always in “the chase”.
(And before someone says “it was different in the 80s”, I’ll say yeah, in the early 2000s when Hogan got another run with the WWF title as a face, it was a different decade than the 80s.
So apparently, “it’s all about the face chasing the heel” unless it’s Hogan cuz he gets a pass on this topic from Nash and some others.
This week’s Dynamite - 502k 😂😂😂
Meltzer: but but but... The discovery channel had something going on. (And yes I'm being serious, this was an actual excuse)
Didn't nxt get 720k
The 3 a.m. act of The Jerry Lewis Telethon draws a bigger audience……..
@@joshhildreth mans said soccer on Fox was drawing viewers away 😂😂😂
@@joshhildreth Meltzer "But look, its not a problem really, I mean, you know, the way I look at it, you know, well...blah blah blah"
I don't know who killed WCW...but I know who's killing AEW Tony Khan
Aew is doing ok. The new TV deal will help
@@Titanscwthey just did Collision numbers, but for Dynamite. Everything is NOT ok.
I don’t believe that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a thing. But hot damn if some people aren’t out to prove that Tony Derangement Syndrome is. This level of obsession is precisely what Jim himself made fun of Meltzer for.
@@option3590 we found the biden voter! jim is that you?!
@@NabiscoAmerican I mean.
I’m not American.
So you’re safe from my vote in any case.
I popped when Goldberg called Russo 'Shitstain".
Damnit, what I get out of this is Bret's career being ruined by almost everyone in WCW being an idiot. 😟
Pretty much, yeah.
I see Starrcade '97 as the beginning of the end. The first big crack in the armor, that started the snowball rolling. Eric having no plan to end the nWo storyline, instead expanding the nWo & putting nearly every big star in the company in it, expanding Nitro to 3 hours every week, the complete misfiring on Bret Hart. All those things add up to Raw catching & surpassing Nitro by the summer of '98. It was a slow death for WCW & the fingerpoke just sped up the time of death....
What killed WCW
They gave Booker T the title way too late. Booker should've beat Goldberg
Booker was never that guy. We all saw how he became a rip-off of The Rock when he finally got that main event push.
I Thought They'd Show TheLordStevenRegal "Match" Against GoldBerg.
(Where Regal Exposed TheKayFabe)
Can’t wait for Jim to react to Jacob fatu’s arrival. Could we see corny in the fed in the big 2024????
I would love to see Corny manage Chad Gable and the Creed brothers.
He’d be great to see manage a heel version of CM Punk, but Id love to see him manage the heel “real athletes” stable.
I wish he would make spot appearances in Louisville and Cincinnati when they go there. Make it happen, Paul.
I'm glad now jim can stop goin on about the guy and wanting him to be there. Man did default uso moveset 3. Least he looks intimidating. All those mofos just do superkicks and superfly splashes
They debuted him right after AEW's garbage viewership. Triple H is a master chess player
Punk gave him a shout out last night when singing his song exactly as JC does (same line, same out of tune cadence)..not a coincidence. Bless them both
Kevin Nash killed WCW imo. He was a pos.
Hart being described as “The Picasso of wrestling” is so perfect. He took his matches and his wrestling legacy more serious than money or fame. And like most great artists, maybe takes their own work a bit too seriously.
But that’s how you get to be great without ever hurting anyone.
Say what ever you want about Vince Mchmahon's PERSONAL issues now but he was the CAPTAIN of the ship of WWF. WCW was run by a board room. THAT is what killed WCW
Can’t wait for his episode three Russo rant
Sour Diesel Kevin Nash
TBS cancelled Main Event and The Pro to make way for Thunder, so it actually didn't add any hours of wrestling to Turner.
Who Killed WCW is an absolute shitshow of liars and narcissists lying their asses off trying to avoid and assign blame for killing the company, with a sprinkling of brief moments of Bret absolutely shitting on everyone involved. Currently my favorite show on TV.
“Watch out for the kick” should be a t-shirt😆
I just can't wait for Jim to review episode 3.
I think of the 'Kurt Angle' litmus test. The only person I can't picture Kurt working with is Goldberg, and Kurt worked with everyone from Undertaker, Cena, Rey, Brock, Batista, The Rock, HBK, Krispin Wah, Randy Orton Mark Henry etc.
Kurt did eliminate Goldberg in the 03 Rumble though, so at least he didn't get hurt doing that haha
@@Devypocalypse I think you meant '04, which was after a Lesnar ambush and F5 on Goldberg if I recall correctly. Goldberg wasn't in WWE until after WrestleMania in 2003, which would have been months after Royal Rumble 2003 (which Lesnar won!).
@@davsavchav yeah man, had a brain fart there. Good job Angle didn't have a match with him, probably have another broken neck to the list.
@@Devypocalypse I shudder to think 😂😂
Fingerpoke of Doom killing wcw is the biggest falsehood ever. The episode after fod still drew a 5.0 rating, a bigger rating than any periods in peak wcw 97-98. In Bischoff last nitro in Sept 99, before he was sacked, he was still drawing 4.1 rating against wwf 4.4. When Wwf was losing they were drawing 1.8 with Brett hart and friends but nobody talks about that. The big difference is Wwf has the support of USA network unlike wcw's AOL network and executives.
The shoot interview with Bobby heenan really summarizes everything. Eric bishoff was a used car salesman who just happens to be in wrestling. WCW started falling apart when Goldberg lost. In a stupid way on his birthday. They had no plans for him or anyone there. People were making $500,000 who had no business getting paid that
The thing that bothers me to this day about the Goldberg/Hogan match they gave away for free on Nitro instead of doing on a PPV is that they could have done both.
You do the Goldberg/Hogan match on Nitro still, but you do it as an exhibition match, keep it short, and when it looks like Goldberg is about to hit his finish, the rest of the NWO jump in to attack Goldberg like a heel stable is supposed to. That leads to the bell ringing, Goldberg getting DQ win, and when it looks like the NWO is starting to beat him down, he goes berserk and cleans house spearing everybody while Hogan is making a break for the ramp. And before Hogan can get away, whoever the face authority figure is at the time (I can't remember atm) comes out, stops Hogan, and announces Hogan will be facing Goldberg in the main event of the next WCW ppv for the title and not only will it be a no DQ match but the NWO will be barred from ringside. And the episode goes off the air with Hogan turning back to the ring, the camera cutting to Goldberg standing in the middle of the wreckage if the NWO leaning over the ropes to point at Hogan and yelling, "YOU'RE NEXT!"
Then you basically do the Nitro match we ended up getting in real life at the ppv.
And that's how you blow off the nwo angle after botching the job at starcade with sting (because you still have to make up for that).
Got to pop that quarter hour
@@chrischar9428 I mean, I think dusty finishes are fine on TV, so long you don't do them for *every* match on an episode of television and they're used as endings to TV matches that are basically just long advertisements for a ppv match.
It's when WCW started overusing them on TV *and* at the end of every ppv mainevent that they really started to get into trouble
What gets me Rock talking like he ran WWE at time
His ego is the same size as titan towers 🤣
I feel like Bret has just had the worst luck in life, but he keeps overcoming adversity, after adversity. He's a real champion.
You know its a Bischoff PR win when Hogan isn’t blamed in the show either
I can’t wait for Jim’s reaction to Jacob’s debut😁
It was awesome, definitely came across as a beast and the commentary team dropped all the info for those who don't know. Orton took a fantastic spear to put him over.
@@dmac3183 he turned Kevin Owens inside out with his clothesline. Good stuff.
Also CM Punk with the Easter egg.
@@dmac3183 lol the best parts were when the ref had to point out the cameras and then told him to attack cody because he clearly forgot what to do, the mark of a true professional!!!
@@bobojenkins-dd8qw oh dear he must have got over excited
Kimberly Page 😍 😍 😍
Yes indeed
Yup!
40 Year Old Virgin speed dating scene
Yep 😅
The Booty Babe.
6:30 Jim is forgetting that Thunder was a taped show and nitro was live... I remember Kevin Nash talking about this situation, you know how hard it is to tape a show prior to the live show and still have continuity for the live show that might change because it's live?!
3 Billboards OutSide of Stamford Connecticut.😜
(That Could Still Work Today!)
The 3 Tony Billboards Thx Guys Everything's Great Wembley 🤣
Kevin Nash admitted it was just a job to him. Why should he give a fuck about anything else that doesn't involve him?
Most dont
“At least the WWF lewdness made sense.” Mark Henry, Mae Young, and their son “The Hand” would like a word….
Bret Hart: nobody told me that he did this move where he kicks a guy in the head as hard as he possibly can… I died 😂☠️
I don’t want Vince Russo to die but I am deeply curious what Jim would say if it did happen
"If you'll excuse me, I have a grave to piss on."
Yes Jim will buy 2 double big gulps from 7 eleven and have a place to go to pay his respects.
Jim is pissing on his grave, he already said if his wife tries to stop him, he’ll divorce her
Jim is going to be hooked up to IV fluids for a day prior, all while chugging gallons of water. Then about an hour before, he’s going to take the max legal dose of a prescription diuretic.
Of all the talking heads, Konnan and Booker are the best
Konnan!!
Apparently Nash was stoned out of his mind when they interviewed him lol.
Goes to show how seriously he took it.
That would just be called “Nash” nowadays. Dude is up there with RVD and The Godfather.
The chase is a tried and true method for story investment. Also, the dangers of being hunted and the superhero conquering "monsters" is pretty fun to watch, too.