I can explain. It’s most likely a legal/ethical issue which ties back to there not being any evidence to suggest he did it. Think about it. What if this man really had no part in her death, then takes a polygraph and it says he’s lying. Now he’s on national TV and everyone’s convinced he did it, when in reality, the polygraph was wrong and he’s really innocent. That would open up Dr.Phil’s show/network to a possible defamation lawsuit. I can almost guarantee that this is the reason why they didn’t do a polygraph on the show despite both parties agreeing to one. The show simply wouldn’t allow it to be done due to the legality of the situation. Now, there’s a chance that they did in fact conduct a polygraph test for each person but later decided not to include it in the show and/or make it public due to the reason listed earlier. Because of the legality of the situation, they may have even purposely conducted the polygraphs in private purely to try and provide these 3 people with some more answers while also protecting themselves from any potential lawsuits.
Als er getuigen zijn lijkt het mij logisch dat er een onderzoek komt. 2 mensen zeggen dat hij het heeft toegegeven. Plus andere zeer rare acties.... maar dit is aan de politie niet aan dr phill
Because they are wildly inaccurate. There are many factors that can result in false positives even two separate examiners can come up with different results. What if he ain’t do nothing and they say he lied people are so ignorant they think a polygraph proves something and it’s absolutely doesn’t. What happens if a family member kills the man over the polygraph and he really was innocent.
He let his aggressive nature show a few times in this interview. Regardless of whether he killed Shannon or not he was clearly an awful father. I hope his remaining daughter finds peace and can live without fear.
Seriously... Wow.. pure evil?? Just cause of someone's eyes.. that's def a stereotype.. What about people that don't have his eyes who commit atrocities? Now I ain't saying the guy is a POS.. but his eyes have nothing to do with it.. I would have figured he was a drunk first.. Not a murderer
Ted Hercutt died in November 2017. This case remains unsolved, but in August 2024 some of the evidence was resubmitted for additional testing now that there have been tech advancements. Penny still believes Ted was to blame for Shannon's murder. You can find more on this case by looking up Dawn Shannon Hercutt. I pray someday they get answers (and I totally believe Ted did it. You can tell when they ask him about the polygraph and he says he would be asked if he killed her, and he would confidently say no. But when asked if he had any knowledge of who did it, he stumbled and changed the subject. He absolutely hired someone to do this in my opinion)
Nope most likely the sister killed her sister, by hiring a hit man. Penny seems jealous of her sister. People tend to accuse love ones when they are guilty.
I’m inclined to agree- when asked he didn’t deny until pressure was placed. Someone who isn’t guilty will say they aren’t. He did not. I don’t so much believe polygraphs because they aren’t always accurate, but I do believe people’s reactions to them. And he was not willing to. He’s aggressive. But not in a self defensive way. I think that it should be looked into about the pew pews and the teachers house and the business. I wouldn’t trust him. He picks and chooses what he says and answers in order to be able to be “truthful”
I’m inclined to agree- when asked he didn’t deny until pressure was placed. Someone who isn’t guilty will say they aren’t. He did not. I don’t so much believe polygraphs because they aren’t always accurate, but I do believe people’s reactions to them. And he was not willing to. He’s aggressive. But not in a self defensive way. I think that it should be looked into about the pew pews and the teachers house and the business. I wouldn’t trust him. He picks and chooses what he says and answers in order to be able to be “truthful” Not to mention he’s the one that started offering other believable stories when he wasn’t asked. That’s also very common with people trying to hide what they’ve done: they give other potential options.
@@butameremortal9424not at all. She's an adult and made a choice. She wasn't a child without a choice. Why take a vacation with someone you claim hates you and always has?
cause at the end of the day...her "father" actually showed interest. Like most abused ppl she wanted to believe he did change or Could change. Especially when its a parent/child relationship. Like she said "he thinks I'm too weak to stand up to him" that told me everything.
Trauma can cause ppl to do many things that others would consider strange. I know growing up being molested by my stepfather I still yearned for his love. And when he passed away my emotions were everywhere I was so confused.
@ exactly ❤️ I’m sorry to hear that. But you are correct. I see my abuser every family event and STILL pretend “nothing happened”. Just like this lady the abuser “knew” I wouldn’t say anything and they were right. I’m “okay” with everything now….but that took half my life. I don’t NOT speak on it for Fear anymore. I just know what I’ll be met with and I don’t need anyone to acknowledge what I went thru. I already know! I pray you are well and thriving 😇💕
@@CrystalMalo-94 Haven't heard what's happening with her trial - in fact since her arrest and the story of previous attempts to do the same, there's been no news at all
If the father was innocent, I would think he would welcome that lie detector test. He said nothing about distrusting the test. Just seemed like he would be vouching for it the same as his ex-wife and daughter.
Any person with sense knows they are terribly inaccurate! innocent or guilty no attorney on earth would ever allow there client to take one. They are very really ever used anymore. Besides TV shows haha
Not really. Polygraphs aren’t some kind of universal truth. Several criminals from vast different backgrounds have confessed under polygraph to murdering Jimmy Hoffa and “passed”. One in particular claimed to know his location, where they buried him and everything. They went to the property, spent half a million dollars digging it all up, and found literal nothing lol. Pretty sure most people feel the same way about them. Imagine feeling guilt over a death like you feel responsible just because you weren’t a good person to them or the like, but didn’t actually commit or be associated with their death at all. Something like that alone can give a false positive on one of those tests. And then now everyone thinks you’re a murderer. Even just the chance of that happening is good reason to never trust them. There’s a reason they don’t call them “lie detectors” anymore. Because they really don’t.
I wouldn’t trust a talk shows polygraph either. That’s a serious allegation. Anything they wanted to twist would be on national tv. If anything he’s smart.
I don't totally trust the father. But I don't believe Penny came to Dr. Phil to find any kind of truth. I believe she wanted Dr. Phil to agree with her. This was clearly a dysfunctional family, she hates her father, he doesn't appear to like her very much....any communication is not going to help any of them move on.
Watch his face at 31:20 when they both said they'll take a polygraph will he right now on the Dr Phil show and he literally was tripping over his quivering bottom lip!! He has definitely done some bad things and I guarantee you he doesn't want to take that test. I believe he is a monster and he probably did have something to do with it. He shot up his daughter's business because he was peed off when he found out that he was not in that will.. he killed her over the money and because he was livid over the lawsuit that she had named him in. He definitely hired someone to do it in my opinion and that's exactly why he would not take no lie detector test. Even consistently changed the subject and pivoted onto a completely different subject when pushed into a corner about taking that test. Unfortunately his monster behind his dead in her case is still technically unsolved but hopefully one day it will be.
Did you see him say he would answer the question of whether he killed her. Basically saying he would not answer the question of whether he had something to do with it
You are absolutely right I just made a comment about this too. People can lie as much as they want even narcissistic pathological liars but eventually their true colors will shine through and body language is way more telling than words
I'm not sure if he is guilty of anything or not. But his daughter has so convinced herself of this fact that even if he passed 10 polygraph tests she would still think he is guilty.
She can't just accuse someone of murder without ANY evidence. Thats a huge deal. But the father is clearly an awful father. They should just cut off contact forever.
If she was afraid of her father, and capable of murder, why on earth was she on vacation with him, and more than that, put her child in a life threatening situation by bringing them on that same vacation?
For anyone wondering why they never did the polygraph tests, I think I can explain. It’s most likely a legal/ethical issue which ties back to there not being any evidence to suggest he did it. Think about it. What if this man really had no part in her death, then takes a polygraph and it says he’s lying. Now he’s on national TV and everyone’s convinced he did it, when in reality, the polygraph was wrong and he’s really innocent. That would open up Dr.Phil’s show/network to a possible defamation lawsuit. I can almost guarantee that this is the reason why they didn’t do a polygraph on the show despite both parties agreeing to one. The show simply wouldn’t allow it to be done due to the legality of the situation. Now, there’s a chance that they did in fact conduct a polygraph test for each person but later decided not to include it in the show and/or make it public due to the reason listed earlier. Because of the legality of the situation, they may have even purposely conducted the polygraphs in private purely to try and provide these 3 people with some more answers while also protecting themselves from any potential lawsuits. Or… it can be as simple as, there was no professional there to conduct a polygraph lol Hope this clarifies the absence of the polygraph. I’m fairly certain that this is why it wasn’t included in the show.
I dont know what to believe. There's no physical priof, but he's clearly an aggressive man. He hesitated when they asked if he would take a polygraph, which seems suspicious. Whether he did it or not, he still has at least 2 people who believe he's capable of doing it, which is bad enough. I hope that sister finds peace. My brother was killed in a shooting accident, so i know how hard it is. My prayers go out to her.
I'm surprised so many people don't believe her. The guy shot up the business 3 months after she died. And frankly he just looks like he's feigning disbelief about being accused. Him calling her daughter "sick" is a really pathetic attempt to discredit her. Him telling the guest's daughter shortly after the death "Aunt (victim) brought this on herself." He shot up one of her teacher's houses and said if she ever told anybody he'd kill her. I'm just 16 minutes in. I don't know how you look at that and think he's just acting like an a-hole because he's being accused of murder.
I wish Dr. Phil had provided all of them with the lie detector test. He's offered it in the past, and it would have been very enlightening. I will have to look up the case and see if there are any updates. I definitely think the father was involved somehow.
i totally agree with you. I looked into this and found a recent NBC News article on the case - I think the reason they didn't do it is because the test is often done in advance of the show - Penny got him on the show under the pretense that it was just about their damaged relationship, as they hadn't spoken in two years. He was unaware that she planned to confront him about Shannon's murder, and the polygraph would have tipped him off/likely made him change his mind about coming on.
I think the daughter is absolutely off the chain, her histrionic behavior shows she's suffering from PTSD from the loss of her sister and it's comfortable for her to blame the father than to NOT know what actually happened. If i was the father, I'd be an @$$ hole too. Beung, accused of murdering his own child on national television by his bitter ex and daughter, must've been horrible. Dr.Phil admitted several times he saw no evidence but he fed unto the daughter's delusions. Super disappointing to see from a supposed professional.
There’s at least circumstantial evidence. I actually believe her based on the ex’s testimony of him stating he knew about the crime as well as him not being credible since he denied shooting up the business as well as body language
He is clearly abusive. She not exactly histrionic or off the chain, considering what this guy has done. Violent tendencies, with guns he admitted weren’t his? WTF? I actually don’t have any trouble believing he did those things.
@@meganmeehan1565what I saw was a hurt father and jealous daughter accusing him of the unthinkable. How do we know she didn’t kill her sister to sit him up, it’s obvious penny needs professional help.
@@sharonsimmons6427just because he own guns doesn’t make him a killer, of course he’s angry his daughter is accusing him of killing his other daughter, would you be smiling? And how do you know if he talked to a detective that told him what might have happened…wow..no evidence of him killing her.
This doesn’t make sense. Why would a father get upset over not being his daughter’s Will when she isn’t seriously ill? I think it’s the sister, Penny, who was upset about not being in the Will. Notice she isn’t the one running the business. It got left to a cousin. I think the one pointing the finger is the one with three pointing back at her.
In her eyes, she can accuse her father of murdering her sister...but when he calles out her jealousy of her deceased sister....THAT'S the cruel part?! Whats CRUEL is letting that estranged ex whatever get a shot at the spotlight 😅 oy vey.
That sister has zero proof and is screaming like a big, fat, despicable baby! She hates her father more than she loves/misses her sister. My opinion. Also, what the father said at the end, the deceased sister being healthier & more successful, that may be sensitive/unkind. However, that is still nowhere near close to her hatred for her father & what she has been saying to him throughout this whole episode. My opinion
Ooo!! Busted!! He said that he kicked her out of the house. She said that SHE kicked HIM out of the house. He just said that “when you kicked me out….” …?? ??
She has personal problem with her own father.. she needed national television to see all of it. What bricks she must have Been carried with herself Dang
That guy is creepy and faking emotions. He looks guilty he either did it or knows who did. I hope his daughter can get answers. Without justice there is no peace. Sending ❤️🙏 to everyone who have lost a loved one to crime. 😢
He may be guilty or not God knows but his daughter is not credible enough. He may be aggressive but she isnt stable either. She cant control any emotions and speaks like a child. This would need an objective investigation. She appears extremley border line
Read an update and the lead investigator on the case said they think they know who it is and it’s not a family member. To be honest I thought it was the sister. She seemed more worried about money and seemed like she had some unresolved issue with her father. Women are professionals at tarnishing a persons name like she did with her father.
Im not sure why she brought him on this show ...just to yell n scream at him ? Shes not going to get the confession or reaction she wants from him..... and unless theirs proof of any of this on him then its going to be a lost cause
Yes I have. In fact I’ve been married to a covert narcissist for 36 years, diagnosed by professionals. You’re right,they do believe their lies. They also recruit “flying monkeys” to do their bidding. They act in public and are devious behind the scenes.
❤ That must have been such a nightmare! Please know that you are not alone God knows 🙏 who did this horrible crime! 😂 Keep faith knowing also. that the truth will be revealed ! God bless your family members 💗 for coming 🙏 forth. This media show of Dr. Phill will. enlighten you!
His blink rate is interesting, also he struggles to look Dr. Phil or his daughter in the face when answering tough questions. Oh and let’s not forget the way he twists the discussion to avoid a straight response. Narcissistic?? I’d say yes……
I feel like she’s broken from her sister dying. If she truly felt that way she would have said something a long time ago. I have a feeling she’s a liar for attention and the father’s just a shitty father. So essentially a crappy father caused her to be an emotional liar.
My god that lady has lost her damn mind! Obviously VERY unstable and traumatized over this situation. I could NEVER imagine losing my sister and dealing with satan of a father
I know there is no evidence. But how do you get evidence? You can’t get evidence so it not their fault. I have a friend that was murdered by her ex. We are all convinced of that but he got away with it and we got no proof. It is super hard as a normal person to get proof but our friend she had an abusive ex and a young 3 year old and had just left him. she only had one enemy and that was her abusive ex husband. He was beating her regularly before she left. She left when he then threw the 3 year old when he was mad. She was murdered and her mum her brothers and sisters every single friend knows it was him but no proof. It impossible to get proof. I’m convinced the cops know it was him too but can’t get enough evidence. She wasn’t robbed but was just shot in her home in her head. Child left there. Who else would do that. I feel it the same with this sister. You know only one person wanted her dead.
Super irresponsible of the Dr Phil show to have any of these people on air. We should note that the father seemed to be the only one interested in reconciling.
Im sorry but she needs to sell the business ,move and relocate ,maybe change her name to breath easy..... Why live in fear 24/7 that your Father is going come for you ? Your life is way more important than some business, His face was shocked when she said "would you take a polygraph test now?" Dude looks like Micahel Keaton
This relationship can't be salvaged. Its best for both parties to go their separate ways. They bring out the worst in each other.
it looks like they did go their separate ways - Ted died two years after this aired. He's taking the long dirt nap now
@Liz-fk1fo Paul and Jesus indicate " absent from the body is to be face-to-face face with the Lord" ( Paul and Jesus to believers). You know little.
Why didn't Dr. Phil arrange for a polygraph test?
I agree 100 percent
Maybe he did but just not a part of this program
I can explain. It’s most likely a legal/ethical issue which ties back to there not being any evidence to suggest he did it. Think about it. What if this man really had no part in her death, then takes a polygraph and it says he’s lying. Now he’s on national TV and everyone’s convinced he did it, when in reality, the polygraph was wrong and he’s really innocent. That would open up Dr.Phil’s show/network to a possible defamation lawsuit. I can almost guarantee that this is the reason why they didn’t do a polygraph on the show despite both parties agreeing to one. The show simply wouldn’t allow it to be done due to the legality of the situation.
Now, there’s a chance that they did in fact conduct a polygraph test for each person but later decided not to include it in the show and/or make it public due to the reason listed earlier. Because of the legality of the situation, they may have even purposely conducted the polygraphs in private purely to try and provide these 3 people with some more answers while also protecting themselves from any potential lawsuits.
Als er getuigen zijn lijkt het mij logisch dat er een onderzoek komt. 2 mensen zeggen dat hij het heeft toegegeven. Plus andere zeer rare acties.... maar dit is aan de politie niet aan dr phill
Because they are wildly inaccurate. There are many factors that can result in false positives even two separate examiners can come up with different results. What if he ain’t do nothing and they say he lied people are so ignorant they think a polygraph proves something and it’s absolutely doesn’t. What happens if a family member kills the man over the polygraph and he really was innocent.
Whether innocent or guilty there is something about this man I just can't
I feel the same about her
He let his aggressive nature show a few times in this interview. Regardless of whether he killed Shannon or not he was clearly an awful father. I hope his remaining daughter finds peace and can live without fear.
Amen 🙌🙏
Dont act like you wouldn’t act that way we all would 😊
Being aggressive doesn’t mean murderer. Not everyone is angle when you’re angry.
13:32 I don't know what to think about the allegations, but this moment gave me pause because it gave me a feeling of her being gaslighted by him.
@ sure
Mushroom dinners 😂😂😂 how random
He probably had some
Here in Australia there was a lady who killed multiple people she invited for dinner the menue was mushrooms this was a couple of years ago
I picked up on that too
Ok, thanks, because I thought I misheard that 😅
the timing on his sponsor placement!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Omg I agree 😂🤦♀️
That's nuts lmaooo
Bro I just read this comment at the perfect timing. I know what advertisement you are on about 😂😂
His eyes! Omgosh! I wouldn’t put anything passed him.
Pure evil in his eyes
Seriously... Wow.. pure evil?? Just cause of someone's eyes.. that's def a stereotype..
What about people that don't have his eyes who commit atrocities?
Now I ain't saying the guy is a POS.. but his eyes have nothing to do with it.. I would have figured he was a drunk first..
Not a murderer
He acts like psychopath.. the gaslighting is of the hook. I believe her
I believe Chris Watts
@@martevanderzee7440Gaslighting at 13:32
Ted Hercutt died in November 2017. This case remains unsolved, but in August 2024 some of the evidence was resubmitted for additional testing now that there have been tech advancements. Penny still believes Ted was to blame for Shannon's murder.
You can find more on this case by looking up Dawn Shannon Hercutt. I pray someday they get answers (and I totally believe Ted did it. You can tell when they ask him about the polygraph and he says he would be asked if he killed her, and he would confidently say no. But when asked if he had any knowledge of who did it, he stumbled and changed the subject. He absolutely hired someone to do this in my opinion)
Nope most likely the sister killed her sister, by hiring a hit man. Penny seems jealous of her sister. People tend to accuse love ones when they are guilty.
@Liz-fk1fo that means nothing, unless you have solid concrete evidence, what subject they talk about means nothing
I’m inclined to agree- when asked he didn’t deny until pressure was placed. Someone who isn’t guilty will say they aren’t. He did not. I don’t so much believe polygraphs because they aren’t always accurate, but I do believe people’s reactions to them. And he was not willing to. He’s aggressive. But not in a self defensive way. I think that it should be looked into about the pew pews and the teachers house and the business. I wouldn’t trust him. He picks and chooses what he says and answers in order to be able to be “truthful”
I’m inclined to agree- when asked he didn’t deny until pressure was placed. Someone who isn’t guilty will say they aren’t. He did not. I don’t so much believe polygraphs because they aren’t always accurate, but I do believe people’s reactions to them. And he was not willing to. He’s aggressive. But not in a self defensive way. I think that it should be looked into about the pew pews and the teachers house and the business. I wouldn’t trust him. He picks and chooses what he says and answers in order to be able to be “truthful”
Not to mention he’s the one that started offering other believable stories when he wasn’t asked. That’s also very common with people trying to hide what they’ve done: they give other potential options.
Thank you for adding this detail.
If Penney really believed her father never loved her, why would she take a vacation with him? She doesnt make any sense.
that's like saying why doesn't abuse victims just "leave". Abuse doesn't work that way
@@butameremortal9424not at all. She's an adult and made a choice. She wasn't a child without a choice. Why take a vacation with someone you claim hates you and always has?
cause at the end of the day...her "father" actually showed interest. Like most abused ppl she wanted to believe he did change or Could change. Especially when its a parent/child relationship. Like she said "he thinks I'm too weak to stand up to him" that told me everything.
Trauma can cause ppl to do many things that others would consider strange. I know growing up being molested by my stepfather I still yearned for his love. And when he passed away my emotions were everywhere I was so confused.
@ exactly ❤️ I’m sorry to hear that. But you are correct. I see my abuser every family event and STILL pretend “nothing happened”. Just like this lady the abuser “knew” I wouldn’t say anything and they were right. I’m “okay” with everything now….but that took half my life. I don’t NOT speak on it for Fear anymore. I just know what I’ll be met with and I don’t need anyone to acknowledge what I went thru. I already know!
I pray you are well and thriving 😇💕
How can you make such accusations without a shred of evidence?
Oops gotta go, our guests are almost about to arrive for our mushroom dinner 🍄
Being invited to a *mushroom dinner in Australia is not a good thing nowdays 🤣
I laughed when he said that lol 😂
@@CrystalMalo-94 Haven't heard what's happening with her trial - in fact since her arrest and the story of previous attempts to do the same, there's been no news at all
If the father was innocent, I would think he would welcome that lie detector test. He said nothing about distrusting the test. Just seemed like he would be vouching for it the same as his ex-wife and daughter.
He did agree to one
Any person with sense knows they are terribly inaccurate! innocent or guilty no attorney on earth would ever allow there client to take one. They are very really ever used anymore. Besides TV shows haha
why refusing the polygraph? thats very suspicious
Not really. Polygraphs aren’t some kind of universal truth.
Several criminals from vast different backgrounds have confessed under polygraph to murdering Jimmy Hoffa and “passed”.
One in particular claimed to know his location, where they buried him and everything. They went to the property, spent half a million dollars digging it all up, and found literal nothing lol.
Pretty sure most people feel the same way about them. Imagine feeling guilt over a death like you feel responsible just because you weren’t a good person to them or the like, but didn’t actually commit or be associated with their death at all. Something like that alone can give a false positive on one of those tests.
And then now everyone thinks you’re a murderer.
Even just the chance of that happening is good reason to never trust them. There’s a reason they don’t call them “lie detectors” anymore. Because they really don’t.
Lie detector tests are basically for fun, they very, very rarely are admissible in a court of law.
I wouldn’t trust a talk shows polygraph either. That’s a serious allegation. Anything they wanted to twist would be on national tv. If anything he’s smart.
Well it's not simply a talk show polygraph. Dr Phil brings in people from the proper channels.@@keiripayne7476
I wouldn't do it either. I don't trust them a bit.
That man is super nasty! Idk if he killed his daughter or not but I would not have anything else to do with him if I was his other daughter.
Obviously. She needs to fade back.
Body language says it out especially when forcing tears
Don't think the daughter is nuts,shed lived in the house as a young child so she WOULD know all that went on! Like nightmares
This is facts
exactly! that's classic abuser talking points... "she is a liar" "she is Crazy" no...she KNOWS who you are inside and out!
She has NO proof! You can’t go around accusing people of murder without proof! She needs serious help!
Bro he shot the sisters business after death
Isn’t that weird
Yes. She has a lot of issues
so what! that's just dumb. I've discovered many things by acting of gut. THATS WHY YOU HAVE IT!
@@blancapalma1161 that's what they claim
I don't totally trust the father. But I don't believe Penny came to Dr. Phil to find any kind of truth. I believe she wanted Dr. Phil to agree with her.
This was clearly a dysfunctional family, she hates her father, he doesn't appear to like her very much....any communication is not going to help any of them move on.
Chasing Daddy's love can come out in bazaar ways.
Watch his face at 31:20 when they both said they'll take a polygraph will he right now on the Dr Phil show and he literally was tripping over his quivering bottom lip!! He has definitely done some bad things and I guarantee you he doesn't want to take that test. I believe he is a monster and he probably did have something to do with it. He shot up his daughter's business because he was peed off when he found out that he was not in that will.. he killed her over the money and because he was livid over the lawsuit that she had named him in. He definitely hired someone to do it in my opinion and that's exactly why he would not take no lie detector test. Even consistently changed the subject and pivoted onto a completely different subject when pushed into a corner about taking that test. Unfortunately his monster behind his dead in her case is still technically unsolved but hopefully one day it will be.
Did you see him say he would answer the question of whether he killed her. Basically saying he would not answer the question of whether he had something to do with it
He also said it to separate himself from the shooting of the teacher’s house and his daughter’s business he didn’t wanna be questioned on that
He 100% did all that and planned her murder. Insane Dr. Phil didn’t really catch on like I expected
Why go to tv show with your suspicions and not the police??
16:27 he says no but NODS YES
You are absolutely right I just made a comment about this too. People can lie as much as they want even narcissistic pathological liars but eventually their true colors will shine through and body language is way more telling than words
Sorry, but in behavioral analysis you CANNOT just judge by one element. You need a baseline and behavioral clusters. Just my opinion.
I'm not sure if he is guilty of anything or not. But his daughter has so convinced herself of this fact that even if he passed 10 polygraph tests she would still think he is guilty.
She can't just accuse someone of murder without ANY evidence. Thats a huge deal. But the father is clearly an awful father. They should just cut off contact forever.
Yes she can.
No matter what show tv show you go on, DO NOT take their polygraph test!!!
Plus those tests are not accurate….
Mushroom dinners? Dude literally just gave himself up.
She literally accused him of murder on live tv…how do y expect him to act…be kind with her…Jeez liweez I don’t believe her.😕
Why not?
First time I’ve seen Louise spelled like that 😂
If she was afraid of her father, and capable of murder, why on earth was she on vacation with him, and more than that, put her child in a life threatening situation by bringing them on that same vacation?
Because she’s lying.
Dr. Phil... "That is unkind..... Stop talking". Hahhaahha!~~
How I wish you were my father. lol
There’s no proof. I don’t believe her.
Id look into the person/people who inherited the $$$/business. Who stood to gain something from her death.
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For anyone wondering why they never did the polygraph tests, I think I can explain. It’s most likely a legal/ethical issue which ties back to there not being any evidence to suggest he did it. Think about it. What if this man really had no part in her death, then takes a polygraph and it says he’s lying. Now he’s on national TV and everyone’s convinced he did it, when in reality, the polygraph was wrong and he’s really innocent. That would open up Dr.Phil’s show/network to a possible defamation lawsuit. I can almost guarantee that this is the reason why they didn’t do a polygraph on the show despite both parties agreeing to one. The show simply wouldn’t allow it to be done due to the legality of the situation.
Now, there’s a chance that they did in fact conduct a polygraph test for each person but later decided not to include it in the show and/or make it public due to the reason listed earlier. Because of the legality of the situation, they may have even purposely conducted the polygraphs in private purely to try and provide these 3 people with some more answers while also protecting themselves from any potential lawsuits.
Or… it can be as simple as, there was no professional there to conduct a polygraph lol
Hope this clarifies the absence of the polygraph. I’m fairly certain that this is why it wasn’t included in the show.
Can we just get to the lies detector please. Its painful watching this family fight
Filmed in 2014. He died in 2017. Nothing came from this. Case is still unsolved
Why am I watching over 15 min of a Dora the explorer in a commercial that I can't skip?????? TH-cam monetisation getting out of control. 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
He a killer a lier a manipulator my ex was just like him!!!! My gut tells me he did it
I dont know what to believe. There's no physical priof, but he's clearly an aggressive man. He hesitated when they asked if he would take a polygraph, which seems suspicious. Whether he did it or not, he still has at least 2 people who believe he's capable of doing it, which is bad enough. I hope that sister finds peace. My brother was killed in a shooting accident, so i know how hard it is. My prayers go out to her.
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He’s a jerk and she’s crazy.
This
Why is she crazy?
No you're crazy. And lacking common sense.
I think he had it done
He definitely knows something. He has the craziest eye responses and some serious anger issues.
Opinions don t fly
I don't think Ted did it. Of course he is angry, anyone being falsley accused would be. There is no evidence and that ex wife seems like a liar
I don't know what to think about the allegations, but I did feel like he was gaslighting his daughter at this moment though 13:32
He seemed awfully nervous here...31:10
He didn’t deny it… people accused of something they didn’t do deny it
I'm surprised so many people don't believe her. The guy shot up the business 3 months after she died. And frankly he just looks like he's feigning disbelief about being accused.
Him calling her daughter "sick" is a really pathetic attempt to discredit her. Him telling the guest's daughter shortly after the death "Aunt (victim) brought this on herself."
He shot up one of her teacher's houses and said if she ever told anybody he'd kill her. I'm just 16 minutes in. I don't know how you look at that and think he's just acting like an a-hole because he's being accused of murder.
What proof supports that?
The guy is a nasty for sure, but I watched the whole video and no proof to show he did any of those things.
At 13:32 I felt like he was gaslighting her.
If you accuse him of murder teaming up with a theif with a criminal record, of course he would get angry. They had no evidece. Just accusations.
I wish Dr. Phil had provided all of them with the lie detector test. He's offered it in the past, and it would have been very enlightening. I will have to look up the case and see if there are any updates. I definitely think the father was involved somehow.
i totally agree with you. I looked into this and found a recent NBC News article on the case - I think the reason they didn't do it is because the test is often done in advance of the show - Penny got him on the show under the pretense that it was just about their damaged relationship, as they hadn't spoken in two years. He was unaware that she planned to confront him about Shannon's murder, and the polygraph would have tipped him off/likely made him change his mind about coming on.
This is where Kelly Seigler and Yolanda from Cold Justice roll in an prove this one way or the other.
I think the daughter is absolutely off the chain, her histrionic behavior shows she's suffering from PTSD from the loss of her sister and it's comfortable for her to blame the father than to NOT know what actually happened. If i was the father, I'd be an @$$ hole too. Beung, accused of murdering his own child on national television by his bitter ex and daughter, must've been horrible. Dr.Phil admitted several times he saw no evidence but he fed unto the daughter's delusions. Super disappointing to see from a supposed professional.
There’s at least circumstantial evidence. I actually believe her based on the ex’s testimony of him stating he knew about the crime as well as him not being credible since he denied shooting up the business as well as body language
@@meganmeehan1565 Me too his body language and facial expressions are forced imo
He is clearly abusive. She not exactly histrionic or off the chain, considering what this guy has done. Violent tendencies, with guns he admitted weren’t his? WTF? I actually don’t have any trouble believing he did those things.
@@meganmeehan1565what I saw was a hurt father and jealous daughter accusing him of the unthinkable. How do we know she didn’t kill her sister to sit him up, it’s obvious penny needs professional help.
@@sharonsimmons6427just because he own guns doesn’t make him a killer, of course he’s angry his daughter is accusing him of killing his other daughter, would you be smiling? And how do you know if he talked to a detective that told him what might have happened…wow..no evidence of him killing her.
He is lying ,
I think he is guilty.
This doesn’t make sense. Why would a father get upset over not being his daughter’s Will when she isn’t seriously ill? I think it’s the sister, Penny, who was upset about not being in the Will. Notice she isn’t the one running the business. It got left to a cousin. I think the one pointing the finger is the one with three pointing back at her.
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You’re funny 😅
@@Charlotte_299You're weird.
In her eyes, she can accuse her father of murdering her sister...but when he calles out her jealousy of her deceased sister....THAT'S the cruel part?! Whats CRUEL is letting that estranged ex whatever get a shot at the spotlight 😅 oy vey.
Ew.
That women is disturbed.
What bout the sisters husband ? Didn’t they say he was a cop?
Ex husband
What happened to the lie detector test?
I dont think he did it. I dont think hes a lovely person, but those women have liar written all over them.
WHY DIDN’T DR PHIL GET HIM TO TAKE A POLYGRAPH TEST? THE MAN SAID HE WOULD HAVE.
He has scary eyes
Very cold eyes very angry eyes
I think so too. He has those dead cold mafia boss eyes. *shivers*
Murderer or not, he creeps me out.
His eyes remind me of that television preacher omg I can’t remember his name. Like demon eyes. Scary stuff
Christopher Walken does too and is no killer
@@lynnwilliams8295 Kenneth Copeland?
Hes definitely guilty of some evil stuff
His mask came all the way off 😂 crazy
Dr Phil?
I d come unglued too. You would too.
She should have went to steve wilkos
Regardless of if he did it or not, you can tell he is an unhinged person & left her with trauma.
I think he is guilty
Is it still unsolved?
The Michaels ad half way through is hilarious
That sister has zero proof and is screaming like a big, fat, despicable baby! She hates her father more than she loves/misses her sister. My opinion.
Also, what the father said at the end, the deceased sister being healthier & more successful, that may be sensitive/unkind. However, that is still nowhere near close to her hatred for her father & what she has been saying to him throughout this whole episode. My opinion
I miss OLD doctor Phil. The last decade was all repetitive! This way a sad one but a great watch ❤
Ooo!! Busted!! He said that he kicked her out of the house. She said that SHE kicked HIM out of the house. He just said that “when you kicked me out….” …?? ??
I believe he had it done. He gives off really bad vibes.
I think it’s the one making the accusations. The sister did it.
She has personal problem with her own father.. she needed national television to see all of it. What bricks she must have Been carried with herself Dang
The kind of drama I run from.
That guy is creepy and faking emotions. He looks guilty he either did it or knows who did. I hope his daughter can get answers. Without justice there is no peace.
Sending ❤️🙏 to everyone who have lost a loved one to crime. 😢
He may be guilty or not God knows but his daughter is not credible enough. He may be aggressive but she isnt stable either. She cant control any emotions and speaks like a child. This would need an objective investigation. She appears extremley border line
That man should have never been a father, it breaks my heart he speaks to his daughter that way
Uh..she s not nice to him??
She literally screamed at him and accused him of the unthinkable.
Why would Phil not do a lie detector test????????
Read an update and the lead investigator on the case said they think they know who it is and it’s not a family member. To be honest I thought it was the sister. She seemed more worried about money and seemed like she had some unresolved issue with her father. Women are professionals at tarnishing a persons name like she did with her father.
Seriously doubt this is some hit man smarter than police. He was just a sh*t talker! He wanted to make women respect & fear him.
Im not sure why she brought him on this show ...just to yell n scream at him ? Shes not going to get the confession or reaction she wants from him..... and unless theirs proof of any of this on him then its going to be a lost cause
She said she was afraid for her life. She wanted it nationally known that she was scared of her father in case something happened to her.
@@jenniferhansen3622I think she did it. I think she is the one who had her sister killed because she wasn’t put in Will. This woman is cray cray.
Seems like Penny and the cousin benefited were they looked at as possible suspects??
Have people ever meet a narcissist? They believe there own lies, so. I can't say I believe him!
Don t diagnose from afar. You re not a professional. Anyway.
Yes I have. In fact I’ve been married to a covert narcissist for 36 years, diagnosed by professionals. You’re right,they do believe their lies. They also recruit “flying monkeys” to do their bidding. They act in public and are devious behind the scenes.
these michaels commercials are giving twilight zone vibes
He's stuttering and stammering whenever accused and deflects, changing the subject completely. He's a clear liar and likely got away with it.
I’ve never even met the man in person and now I’m scared of him too. I don’t blame the daughter.
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Why the laughing emoji?
I think he's guilty
His blink rate is interesting, also he struggles to look Dr. Phil or his daughter in the face when answering tough questions.
Oh and let’s not forget the way he twists the discussion to avoid a straight response.
Narcissistic?? I’d say yes……
Sometimes people who accuse others are guilty of being involved. Sometimes. Was she looked in to? Either she is involved or she has some major issues.
Y dont they the daughter a lie detector test since she said he admitted to all these things
The daughter has some serious issues, how do we know if she’s lying..maybe the sister killed her sister.
She was in the will 😅
Can't find next episode
I feel like she’s broken from her sister dying. If she truly felt that way she would have said something a long time ago. I have a feeling she’s a liar for attention and the father’s just a shitty father. So essentially a crappy father caused her to be an emotional liar.
My god that lady has lost her damn mind! Obviously VERY unstable and traumatized over this situation. I could NEVER imagine losing my sister and dealing with satan of a father
CROCODILE TEARS IS WHAT THAT IS.
This negates the police, detective work totally. Which doesnt make sense.
I think the daughter has lost it!
It’s some other issues besides this murder
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I know there is no evidence. But how do you get evidence? You can’t get evidence so it not their fault. I have a friend that was murdered by her ex. We are all convinced of that but he got away with it and we got no proof. It is super hard as a normal person to get proof but our friend she had an abusive ex and a young 3 year old and had just left him. she only had one enemy and that was her abusive ex husband. He was beating her regularly before she left. She left when he then threw the 3 year old when he was mad. She was murdered and her mum her brothers and sisters every single friend knows it was him but no proof. It impossible to get proof. I’m convinced the cops know it was him too but can’t get enough evidence. She wasn’t robbed but was just shot in her home in her head. Child left there. Who else would do that. I feel it the same with this sister. You know only one person wanted her dead.
Super irresponsible of the Dr Phil show to have any of these people on air. We should note that the father seemed to be the only one interested in reconciling.
Im sorry but she needs to sell the business ,move and relocate ,maybe change her name to breath easy.....
Why live in fear 24/7 that your Father is going come for you ?
Your life is way more important than some business,
His face was shocked when she said "would you take a polygraph test now?"
Dude looks like Micahel Keaton