Harley Benton Enhanced MP-5MN- Does this Harley have it all? Let's find out! - LowEndLobster Reviews
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Hey everyone! Today we're reviewing the Harley Benton Enhanced Series MP-5MN, one of the higher end Harley Benton basses. This bass looks to have it all on paper; P and MM pickups, 2 band preamp, 19mm spacing, string thru construction, swamp ash body, maple neck with black blocks and binding.... But do those specs translate to a quality instrument? Let's find out!
Specs:
Design: PB-style
Ergonomically shaped body
Body: Swamp ash
Matching headstock
6-Bolt neck: Canadian Hard Rock maple
Fretboard: Maple
Fretboard inlays: Black blocks
Neck profile: Modern C
Frets: 22 Medium stainless steel
Nut: Black TUSQ XL
Scale: 864 mm (34.02")
Nut width: 46 mm (1.81")
Fretboard radius: 350 mm (13.77")
Pickups: Roswell MA5-B Ferrite humbucker (bridge) & Roswell PMA5-N Ferrite single coil (middle)
Roswell GMA2 active/passive 2-band EQ
Volume control with push/pull function
Controls: Balance, Treble, Bass
Pickguard: 3-Ply black B/W/B
Bridge: WSC SK5
Hardware: Chrome
Machine heads: WSC JB45
String gauges: .045 - .130
Colour: Natural matte
This bass and all my other basses with rounds are strung with MJC Ironworks Nickel Plated Stainless Steel 45-105(130) unless otherwise noted. Check them out at www.mjcironworks.com
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you need to do a lot more budget stuff because you are the only bass player out there who is honest with there reviews
I feel the same. There's a couple of channels around, that take money from manufacturers to do (positive) reviews - I know it from a local manufacturer, that contacted one of the most popular channels. Even if I don't agree with some of the Lobster's opinions, I feel that they are genuine.
@@maciejbrusio8321 like he says it how it is no bs no nothing
Totally agree. You're my hero for that. Subscribed.
Aw thanks guys :)
@@LowEndLobster Start with this - it's crafted in Indonesia and has a pretty sharp look for 399 new...how does it sound tho?
Squier CV 70s P Bass MN Walnut
The hiss from the P pup is because the three pole pickup doesn't balance withe the 2 pole pick up. The different sized coils don't cancel each other out. It's an issue with all 5 string P pick ups that have even sized halves
Thank you for the info Doug! That makes sense.
not to mention the split is reversed. The low end side is closer to the HB. As well as the two sides of the split don't overlap. as you mentioned.
Lobster, you’ve been a huge bright point in an otherwise cruddy year. Keep on doing what you’re doing, man!
Thanks Goose
Solid. So grounded, cool, no nonsense reviews. One of the nicest guys on the tube.
I had the same fit and finish issues with the enhanced jazz bass I reviewed! It wasn't terrible but considerably worse compared to the PB 50, one of HBs cheapest! I think the fancier features need to be higher quality. Suuuuuuper demo as per! X
Thank you dearest and Dibblest Jonny!
I was looking into this bass as everyone was so excited about this one. Thanks for your review!
Thanks Shannen!
Great job last night with Bully and Johnny. Very enjoyable to watch. Looks like you were all having a great time! Thanks again Lobster!
Thanks Jeremy :)
Another great, no frills, review. There's a lot of hype around the HB instruments. I was also looking at those Sire competitors. Thank you.
Thanks Gianluigi :)
A few other reviews I've seen have found that the reason for the muddiness was that the pickups were wired incorrectly. (Series vs parallel or something along those lines.) Apparently happened with all of them. Once that was sorted a lot of folks liked the tone much better.
I think it was the MM pup internally wired out of phase. I could be wrong, it may have been the MJ model that had this issue, but I know a bunch of TB'ers that just dropped in a $12 Ali Express replacement pup and it resolved the issue.
That's interesting, thank you! :)
@@kirtfulcher6288 Hi Kirt I was just wondering if you had links to these videos? I have this bass and would like to replace the pickups either cheaply or spend some cash on Delanos and a delano pre amp
I've been wanting to pull the trigger on one of those for some time, and now I can gain valuable insight.
Thanks Richard! Glad I could help
That bass didn’t take long to find itself on Reverb! I think that is the most revealing review, have a great day and keep those videos coming!
Thanks Andrew! I usually post most of the instruments for sale after I review them, but I do keep a lot of them. This one is def not a keeper!
I have begun to follow your shop just in case you don’t keep all the cool ones. Ever thought about doing different budget basses as modding platforms like you did with Sterling SUB Ray 4?
@@andrewlookenbill3249 Great question. Yes! I think after the ultimate SUB mod series, we may look for a different mod platform to explore (because we will have covered a very good chunk of the available pickups). I have a couple of other SUB mods planned, but not many past that.
I'm sad that you had a bad experience with this bass. I own the 4 string version of this exact model and I was one of the people recommending it to you a while back. I think I might have lucked out on mine, because it has zero weight issues and a very good fit and finish.
The pickups are still muddy though, I find myself having to boost the highs on my amp and pedals whenever I play it. Definitely will upgrade it, but so far its offered me more features than any squier, so I'm happy for the price
I was bummed about this two, the other two HBs that I've had were very solid - but they were passive as well. I think the 4 string version of this bass is probably the better of the two. Though the B isn't bad on the 5, the non standard pickup size (not a problem in the 4), and increased weight of the headstock with the extra tuner and size, and the muddy electronics make this 5'er not as compelling of an option. If this had been passive w/ better pickups stock with a V/V/T/T setup and a 3 way switch for the bridge pickup, it would have been a better instrument.
I just bought one of these. Everything you criticized was dead on. I get the same hum, the bass weights way to much, and I did notice the passive mode is really dark. I was planning on swapping out the pick ups and drilling holes under to lighten the weight a little.
Thanks Lex! Glad to hear that this wasn't just a dud, thanks for sharing!
Lobster: "Im taking break"
Bass: "O really?!"
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Thank you for this review 🙏 as I was considering this bass. I think I may go with a Cort GB35JJ. Idk yet.
Thanks Robert :)
Man, love youre reviews! Another great bass review channel on youtube. And love HB basses, own one. Cheers from Russia)
Thank you Ruslan :)
Even changing all the electronics - which would cost a lot - there's a lot more that would bother me such as the weight, the 19mm spacing and the wide neck.
That's a nope for me!
Thanks for the review! You're always the best source.
Thank you :). Glad you're enjoying the content!
great review. i was considering to get one of those, but after your review, i changed my mind. because weight issues is the biggest dealbreaker for me.
thank you for saving me from a bad investment.
Nice chops you have there!
Thank you! :)
11 lbs AND neck heavy... That's almost impressive
XD right?!
A ’nuther excellent review, Lobster! The weight would be a problem for me but the sound is pretty good overall in my opinion. A Sandberg would certainly demolish this bass but of course it costs many multiples of the price of this Harley Benton.
Thanks Sam!
I got really curious about the 4 string version of this bass in blue finish. It has some really nice appointments, neck binding , hardware and looks really nice but indeed the pups and pre are really crap. I would have returned it but it was a hassle to deal with Thomann in that regard so I got 75 bucks off after much back and forth complaining. It awaits modding at the moment and has been waiting for well over a year and a half. I am certain upgrades could transform it into a pretty decent bass and not just polishing a turd. The mods would indeed cost more than the bass. The balance on the 4 banger is ok with strap, but the bass is weighty. Love your kitty.
I'd love to see a review of the Jackson Spectra bass. Maybe how it compares to the often compared Ibanez sr300e..
Thanks Julian! I'll probably be checking out more Jacksons soon :), we have one (technically two) on deck in the coming weeks.
That’s nice 👍🏾...I enjoyed u guys on Bully’s last night 💯
Thanks Deon! Glad you enjoyed that, I had a lot of fun too :)
From BassTheWorld's review of this bass I knew it's a lost opportunity for making cheaper version of Sandberg Califoarnia VM. However, I haven't seen good review of HB HZ 5000 or HBZ 2005 basses. One of my dream basses is Peavey Cirrus 5 and the HZ 5000 looks like a cheaper version of that.
Thanks! I'll be doing another Thomann order after the holidays and will snag one of those :)
I agree with many here , your reviews are transparent and also do not fear to bash the manufacturers unlike many ( ahem Patrick H 😉 ) who seem to be making paid advertisements instead of reviews.
Thanks! We have different approaches, but I appreciate Patrick's content and enthusiasm :)
I love that t-shirt with the bassist cat!
Thank you! Link in the description :)
Love your channel always informative. I got a question for the bass. Is the MM style pickup on the sweetspot position that it would be on a Musicman bass or is it off?
Thanks for this one. It reminds me why I buy quality basses. The "lowest" I'll go is Sire because the neck on my V7 has survived years of beach gigs and other hazzards. It's Gen 1 stock and still perfect.
I wanted to like this bass because I want a humbucker and a P style in one bass.. to use separately. But Even after upgrades, I'll still be worried about the neck wood quality.
I really want to like it. Maple,swamp ash and the goodies?? You can't go wrong,right? Perhaps the making of Frankenstein monster..to be continued.
Yeah I wanted to like it too, bummed that this wasn't of the same caliber as the HB Ray
I have the same bass. Preamp is not great. You can't add much extra treble, as that would add plenty of hiss. Active mode is a lot louder than passive mode. I didn't find mine to be muddy and I was comparing it to my Sire V7 Jazz bass (which is ofc very different, but you don't need to make huge treble adjustments on your amp when switching between the two). I thought the neck pickup is nice. The bridge bickup needs to be raised a bit to give more power with fingerstyle playing (but to do this you need to put extra foam under the pickup).
However, I'll give it a red/black paint job next year, but I'll leave the pickups stock and play it mostly in passive mode.
Thanks Georg! Great comment.
Hello, i love your channel, you are so honest with your reviews! Many youtubers (not giving any names) reviews these kind of basses, and most of them are saying that they are so awesome but they are not, and that is sad.
I bought a squier pj because of a youtuber, and it’s a great bass tho, but not for gigging and recording, all i learned was on that bass, this kind of basses are great to learn the instrument, not for gigs and recordings, honestly if i was a begginer, i would buy higher quality bass, like stingray34, MIM Fender Jazz or MIM Fender P, because these basses are great and you can still play them when you actually you know how to play the damn thing. and if you give up the resale value it’s great on these because they are amazing basses. go for an minimum 500$ bass, and buy something that you idol uses.
and check the reviews to see if it’s good gear or not.
You should make a video about basses for beginners, how to choose your first bass, because this info is critical.
i was mindblown by my ernie ball mm stingray when i bought it, totally worth it!
Thank you! I appreciate the comment and suggestions :)
I agree, that youtubers tend to be overly positive in reviews.
I still tend to advice beginners not to worry about the necessity of buying the best possible gear for the start, when they are not sure if they will continue learning or not. It's controversial, I know, but I know lots of people, that were delaying buying the first guitar, because they had to save more money and buy the best gear, and then this cool gear wasn't used at all. And I know the players, that could do wonders on cheap instruments, when it was propery set up.
The main Jazz Bass of Geddy Lee was bought for $200 in a pawn shop. It was the 70's model - the bass community says, that in the 70's the quality got worse. If he would ask the community back then, he would have to buy something more expensive! :D Now copies of this bass are considered "the best Jazz Basses". The same with Marcus Miller: his Jazz Bass was also from the 70's, bought not because it was the best possible bass, but because it was available in the store.
I bought a Player Jazz Bass after ~14 years of playing, when I started to notice, that I actually need that sound in a context of my band. I started to recognize characteristics of different sounds, frequencies that will be heard in a busy mix, different responses to attack etc. It's cool to have an expensive bass from the start, but for the beginner it's not really that important.
In my humble opinion ;)
@Lobster: A comparison of beginner basses would be cool, but also maybe something about getting the best sounds from different types of basses (Precision, Jazz, Stingray, actives etc.), or choosing a type of the bass for different situations.
Bully reviewed the Harley Benton B-450, less than half the price, two buckers, active/passive toggle. whilst the strings and chain will be different that sounded much clearer. Shame their premium basses are poor compared to the cheapies 😢 great review Lobster, many thanks
Thanks Paul! That B-450 is headed my way soon :). Excited to check it out!
I know I'll probably catch some hell for this, but I actually Like the thick, deep sound and great sustain. This is a rarity in most basses today. IMO it sure beats the thin, clackety clack trebly sound that slappers love.
Thanks...I thought you'd probably HATE that comment, LOL. But I love the honesty in your reviews.
Nah dude, it's all good! I give unaltered sound clips for folks to make their own educated decisions :). It's like criticizing someone for liking pickles and olives.... well bad example because THOSE people are wrong... but you get what I'm saying. Never hesitate to share your thoughts here, I always appreciate those who take the time to watch the content and comment!
@@LowEndLobster VERY cool, and I totally agree. In fact, compared to most bassists nowadays, I'm in the minority. I just loves, deep, thick, "muddy" bass!
I agree. I had Harley Bentons MM copy a while back. Swapped the factory pup for Aguilar and it was night and day. Really woke that bass up with a nice passive growl. Didn't have the "hi fi" zing you get from legit stingrays or active basses in general which was kinda sweet actually. Only got rid of it because the string spacing was super tight. Like maybe tighter than Ibanez low end SR tight lol
@@kevykev388 I prefer tight spring spacing over wider necks.
I have a frankenbass with the p/mm pickup configuration and it's great.
Very dissapointing to hear this one isn't as good as other HB's.
I think people sleep on the passive mm sound. It doesnt have that hi mid cut, but i love the tone it gives. Like a stronger P, but more articulation in the bridge position.
Thanks James! I agree, if this thing was passive and had better pickups and a simple v/t/v/t setup, it'd be a lot better.
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Thank you for your honest opinion!
I did a modification of my MP4 with Delano pickups and a preamp from Noll. This make a huge difference, especially the bridge pickup sounds much, much more punchy and offers much more low end.
Which lead me to a suspicion: Maybe the bridge pickup is wired in parallel mode to get a more JB-like tone? I'm just to lazy to build it back to prove it…
Nice! I think the 4 stringers (especially if you get one that's not 1000 lbs) are the much more suitable mod platform - yours sounds awesome!
@@LowEndLobster 4 String models seem to be more balanced and are not as heavy a a 5-String.
Mine feels and plays great, and with the Delanos it also offers a very decent tone now, even in passive mode.
If I would start the project again, I first would replace the electronics and play around with the bridge pickup wiring.
@@EckhardRotte I may snag a 4 during my next Thomann order... assuming things ever go back in stock - it seems the HBs are quite popular!
@@LowEndLobster I'm really impressed by the Delano pickups, maybe they are worth a look for your next Ray-alike modding project.
My 2008 Stingray 5 HH is just over 11 pounds! It's hard to believe that was my main bass guitar for 11+ years, but it at least balances well. I couldn't imagine playing that HB for any length of time, so I would agree it's not worth mod-ing. However, I'm wondering if the hum and muddiness is just a simple wiring issue that might be worth investigating. If it can be fixed without spending more money then it might be worth the time before you flip it, assuming that is what you plan to do.
Thanks Michael! I've got a lot of other more worthwhile projects, so I'm just gotta get this one outta here! She's already on Reverb ;P
Very nice review!
Half expected you to open up with:
"Hey, Lobster here" -vsauce music-
I actually just bought this not knowing about this video. I have an SR605 (ibanez) which i've used in a coverband up untill now, but i find my hand cramping up when songs that predominantly use the 5th string. I wanted to feel this out to see the other end of the spectrum as I've never played any other basses. Another reviewer mentioned that swapping out the MM-style humbucker would be the move for a better sounding instrument.
Thanks Sten! How was the QC on yours? I've heard these are really inconsistent vs the lower end simpler instruments. The two other HBs I've had were much better than this for much less money.
I have the 4-string version and the P-pickup is dead silent :) I changed the MM pickup to a Seymour Duncan SMB4D that I had laying around, and also swapped the pre-amp for a 3-band Glockenklang as well as installed a 3-way DPDT switch for the humbucker to switch between series, parallel and single coil. The bass itself is great and can compete with basses for double it's price, but the original pre-amp and humbucker are pretty bad! The P-pickup on the other hand is fat, punchy and great sounding! Also, the finish on mine is impeccable. I have the eggnod yellow/white one (definitely not a "vintage white" haha) so it's a gloss finish. Maybe there is more problems with the clear satin finish as it seems like more people have been complaining about finish problems on that model?
Been eyeing this one for a while... Would consider replacing the tuners with lighter ones, affordable/reliable pickups and electronics and finally, chamber the back and cover with pg material to cut weight. Could probably do all this and keep the total all-in price under $600. I wouldn't mind the work if it came out sounding good. The question is: Would that be a better investment than another P/MM bass out there?
Great question Kirt! I've been toying with the idea of throwing a P pickup into a certain minty fresh 'ray thing that I have ;). I think that's a better investment than modding this HB.
Hello Lobster, i have a request for you. I want to buy the Harley Benton Marquess 5 strings. But as it's new, there's almost no review. You are the most skilled for this job in the ocean of youtube. Thank you so much for your advices and expertise. Cheers from France 🙏
Thank you Florent! I will do my best to snag some of the new Marquess models :)
@@LowEndLobster Thank you so much ! 🙏💖
Hey there Lobster! I know this is a late review so you might not even notice it, but if you do - here's one for ya: I'm on the market for a solid budget 5 to take to the gigs where I'd rather not take my beloved Alembic Essence to (or as a backup bass). I wanted a bass with a maple board (pretty much an aestetic choice). A MM-style bass would be preferred, as I've always wanted to add that Stingray tone to my stable. I was looking at this one or maybe the Sterling Ray SUB 5 (I can't shell out the cash for a Sterling Ray 35 at the moment). How much better the SUB is compared to this HB? There's one in my favourite black/maple combo available on one of Polish sites and I'm really thinking of pulling the trigger on that one. Thanks in advance for your reply!
Hey BD! I'd get the SUB over this. This thing was HEAVY, and it just didn't sound good. Another option is the MB-5, which has the same spacing as the SUB5 but without the active circuit or battery compartment.
@@LowEndLobster thanks Lobster! I've already written to the seller of the SUB. Hope it's not gone! And if I end up buing it, I'll probably go the Lobster way and start modding it after some time ;-)
You're getting a humm on the P Pickup because the coils are unbalanced. Some companies solve this by extending the D/G coil a bit so they can have the same amount of wire.
My Fender American 5 String had this issue. Rewired, shielded it, replaced the pickup and the slight hum was still there before I realized it was a design flaw.
Thanks for the info Dice! It's really interesting to see different says of addressing that, especially since Fender has taken it upon themselves to solely use those style P pickups on their 5 strings (Sire too, though theirs are much more balanced and don't make noise)
@@LowEndLobster when I replaced the pickup with a Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder the hum was less but still there. I practice a lot through headphones, to avoid annoying the neighbours, so I’m more sensitive to signal noise
I know you were talking about taking the original pup out of your HB MM bass, so I say you should drop it into this one and see if that helps... because we know you have so much time for all these little projects ;) EDIT: d'oh, forgot that was a 4 stringer... but if you have a compatible 5 string MM (I know the spacing might make it a bit tough), I think that should help from what I heard about the these basses...
Thanks Kirt! Yep, unfortunately I don't have any mm5 pickups handy. Loads of 4's though ahaha
I tried a Squier VM Jazz V at a local store (yeah, they don't sell many basses) and it was neck heavy but the bass itself was ok. The neck was nice but it was so unbalanced. I wish people did more reviews on budget 5 string basses.
Thanks Eduardo!
I only just watched u'r face expression about how quality that bass...,it's enough😊😊
New comment on an old video, I saw HB made this in a 25th anniversary edition. Wonder if any of the upgrades will bring up the claw value? I think the frets are stainless and maybe something else. I'm interested in the firemist jazz and the firemist this thing. Not sure if either are worth the upcharge for the paint job and SS frets. A few reviews seem to indicate the fit and finish on the firemist editions is pretty good. Curious what others think.
I almost considered getting this before your review, thank you for saving me. What’d you recommend instead for a similar affordable 5 string bass (hopefully something more lightweight)?
Depending on what you're looking for- Sire V3, SUB5H/HH, Some of the ESP LTD budget 5'ers are solid too.
@@LowEndLobster is the Ibanez TMB505 any good? It’s another bass I really like. I like the PJ configuration for the versatility, especially for vintage tones
I gotta say. I kinda like it and it’s mainly because I’ve always wanted a P bass MusicMan combination. I am planning to get one of those and I’m sure it’s gonna sound really fantastic. However, I think there’s another good one on the market which is the Maruszczyk jake 5p. Do you think u could try that one?
I really like your playing with the beat buddy. The bass: *burp*. If not this one, what is your 5-string mod platform gonna be?
Thanks John! I don't know yet honestly, just trying to get through December alive ;P
nice video!
Where did you get this shirt?
Thank you! Shirt is linked in the description
Love the idea of this bass. a split coil with a MM and a high quality bridge is what i'm after. I agree though, this thing aint gettin it done.
“I don’t want one of those”
That’s all I have to say about that!
Hope your weekend was good.
Do you have any Spector basses coming up? I have a thing for Spector right now, I played one the other day, and now I’m obsessed!! The affordable ones of course. I played a legend 4 and thought it was the cats pajamas of course I waited a day too long and someone else got it. Anyway, I was just wondering what you thought of the affordable Spector basses?
Thank you for reminding me I still, don’t want a Harley Benton.
Cheers
Thanks Tommy! I've been actively trying to sort out and pinpoint the noise in my Spector Eurobolt before doing the full review on that, AND I have a Spector Pulse coming soon as well :).
@@LowEndLobster you’re the best. Thank you for, always responding to my curiosity. You’re a great guy. Cheers
I’d go with a sub any day. It’s neck heavy too, but sounds a ton better.
Agreed!
I wonder how the new 25th anniversary model of this would match up in the 4 string version with the new roasted maple neck.
1. seems like a solid platform. I'm getting to that point to where if I'm going to gut an instrument that much, I'm going to spend the $300 getting a body and neck that I want off husks or second tier parts companies (a fancy neck from Warmoth is probably twice the cost of that entire instrument you got there). When I learn what I want, then I'll be quite specific with Warmoth as they'll do anything from give you a completely uncut body to a full custom route job as you specify, in the cost of the part. Bonus, the Warmoth shop is only like 40 minutes or so from here, I could probably just go talk to them and spec parts out directly with their sales people, hopefully get to look at some parts if they have them on the shelf.
2. WHO SAID BREAK? A break from what? I've learned that companies give sabbaticals not because they're nice but because their jobs are shitty and demanding - don't let this become that. Just keep restructuring as you like it and you'll be well rested and full of gratification. Pretty simple. Good work should energize and improve your overall life and health. If it doesn't, do other work. TLDR if it sucks you're doing it wrong
3. the tone runs the gamut from AM talk radio to stuffed in a pillow. None of it is painfully bad to the ear (no icepick or pressure popping, to cover both ends of the spectrum) but it's certainly dicey and some kid will get a LOT of practice not only dialing but keeping and repeating a tone.
4. Give it away and write it off on taxes as a business promo. Someone will really love that bass for free - it plays up the neck, the frets don't cut you, all the electronics are functional, it's heavy but kids starting out need all the tone assist they can get lol. Don't do a raffle. Find someone or have your discord help you find a pool of people who would benefit from such a thing, ask Johnny and Bully if you need help searching some out, I bet they know plenty of kids who are not only in need but deserving.
Also, I just found this band and I am already DEEP in a rabbithole learning some of their stuff. The bassist is a RIPPER.
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I just had the weirdest Idea ever.
Swap out with a piezo bridge and splice in a blend knob. Leave everything else alone if possible. I don't think I've ever heard a piezo on something that has this much mass. Maybe that would round out the tones and make it good enough with just that. I will have to figure out what that circuit looks like and see how current on the shelf solutions tie in to the rest of the overall options available on a given bass.
LOL, you madman. Buy it off me and do it yourself ;P hahahaha. I can always count on you for some wacky engineering feat ;P.
Heavy for swamp ass, I almost bought one of these but the string spacing was too wide for me.... I may get one of the all black MM copies when they get back in stock?
You and me both, those matte black Benton-Rays look the part for sure!
Zero fret! 😃👍
My first question was going to be how heavy because it just looks like vintage Peavey heft! The skinny P always seems to me that they should have the same size covers as the typical double pole P's. Thanks for addressing that as always. I'm very interested in these Harley Benton a but have yet to order them. Is there any kind of "hidden costs" shipping to USA from Germany? The site gives you a shipping cost, but any other costs?
I own a MP-4MN and I think its a decent bass - except of the electronics and the pickups. I can not confirm the neck dive with the 4-string, it's well balanced and the overall build quality is really great. wood that's okay for me - for this price.
This does not contradict your conclusion, I just might have picked a better one, and that's truly a matter of quality assurance. And the neck dive might be a problem of the 5-string.
For me the neck pickup is okay, but the humbucker sound much too thin and clanky. And the electronics are also disappointing, the active output is three times louder than the passive mode, this is just unusable.
Because it's overall feel and playabilty is great, I decided to upgrade the bass with some decent pickups (Delano) and electronics from Noll.
It might take a while, but I'm really curious for that!
Thanks Eckhard! I think they should have totally gone full passive here, would have been much better (and hopefully would have had better pickups stock)
@@LowEndLobster yes, passive pickups seem to work fine in their MM-copy.
Over Cyberpunk allready? Man I was looking real hard at this one, glad I'm passing. At this time of year, the the 500 stingray for 380 is a much better choise!
Nah, pacing myself with that game. Luckily no crashing issues for me though. Yeah I like the Ray24 on sale much better than this!
Lobster that's a nice looking Sandberg copy. It doesn't sound bad at all. You're not feeling it, so not worth trying to mod?
Thanks James! Yeah, already sold this one. Might snag a 4 stringer in the future for a mod project and hope the QC is better.
I would love to buy it from you if you do some work on it like cooper shelding and up grade the pick ups
Wonder what a Tone Monster would do for this bass...BET a SEB would get her STRAIGHT!!!!!
Not even gonna bother here haha
We would have to get rid of those ceramic pickups first.
Yeah, most bass players are looking a percussive attack on that p bass pup. Any suggestions.
Not this bass lol ;P
It's ironic, bc it has the string spacing you like and it seems like a fairly normal scale length.
Pretty large, heavy Ash body should've kept the neck dive?
(Maybe all that unnecessarily wide neck wood bc 19mm spacing)
I don't recall any of the 16.5 -17mm 5 strings ya reviewed here as ever being neck heavy, hmm lol.
Still definitely a cool looking basa at a low price point, cool bass pick to check out btw.
Looks like a excellent platform for mods.
Ya gonna replace the pickups/pre, also maybe a lighter weight aluminum bridge?
Of course depending on which is causing the mudd to the sound, could be a nice future endeavor to mod, but if you don't like it, you don't like it.
Thanks Seth!
Have you tried the JH counterpart? Very similar IMO, but some people preferred it to the PH version.
Great question! I have not, I'll probably check out a 4 stringer at some point though probably not on my next Thomann order.
@@LowEndLobster BTW, Nathan Navarro has an excellent YT vid comparing the 2.
@@bflo1000 Thanks! I like his stuff, he's got insane chops hahaha. He's also like 30 minutes away from me ;P.
@@LowEndLobster Great! what a coincidence! I was also really impressed with his playing, especially for his young age.
This is way cheaper than the three customs that I am working on. My Luthier almost cut his finger off and that's really holding up my builds not to mention COVID19 . Scott at PST guitars.
Oooof, hope he recovers quickly!
Please tell me where you got this shirt from Lobster. Would be a great gift for my gf
Link added to video description :) - www.amazon.com/Bass-cat-kitty-guitar-T-Shirt/dp/B07RBFK7K4/
That was always my Achilles heel with Harley Benton Basses; their weight. I wanted their Fretless Jazz bass but was very concern with their weight AND quality control. Doesn’t sound too bad (that can be changed) but the WEIGHT? Not for me. I have a SX 6 string Jazz Bass. The sound is Great; but that thing weighs almost 12lbs. I’m 56 years old; too heavy for me.🤨
I feel like 90% of cheap basses are either outrageously light or insanely heavy. The HB Stingray thing is under 9 lbs, one of the rare ones!
That's gonna be my low-end five-string. I can fix that noisy pickup with some shielding tricks and if not someone makes a drop in replacement. I hate noisy pickups.
I think the pickup noise might be caused by the pot. Cheap push pull pot.
Before this line of basses, the cheapest way to get stainless steel frets on a bass was an €829 metal kiddie styled Schechter, and for normal people you had to cross the €1000 threshold for a "normal" Schechter or Ibanez with stainless steel frets. Fender didn't start introducing stainless steel until the €1400 mark. That's where all the money goes into with this and everyone should be aware of that. Also you probably have one of the bad bridge pickups that came through the production lines for a couple of months.
Thanks Vinnie! You're absolutely right, they definitely put the money into on-paper specs but the overall execution IMO is quite lackluster.
@@LowEndLobster Stainless steel frets is what makes your instrument not end up in a landfill in 10 years, or even 3 years if you play for hours daily. It's not a throwaway spec. Refretting cheap guitars is never worth it and nickel frets are a black stain of the sustainability of music instruments.
One of my favourite HB basses…
I bought the the same but with jazz neck pickup. It was to heavy to stand with, didn't like tone rather. Wanted to send back but return was so much I sold it to GC for $100....
Ouch! Sorry to hear that happened to you. Yeah, it seems the passive/cheaper HBs are where it's at, and the active ones seem to spread themselves a bit too thin and have sucky electronics.
I did the same, wish I gotten the PJ. Because to heavy and didn't care for tone. Was going to send back but cost to much so I sold to GC myself.
Delano has three offerings for this bass. I want to say the PC 5 AL/M2-AS which has a more p bass ish sound and more.
Eh, I wouldn't dump the money into this one.
I prefer this body type over a Jazz bass body. No special case needed here. I have a Luthier that can lighten that up a bit. Not neck heavy when standing.
Hi Richard, this one would be neck heavy when standing - maybe not if you had lighter tuners... but even then
Would this be better than the squire affinity series jazz basses?
So this is what happen when Lobster ain't feeling it😁😊
You defnitly have the ears and feel to know what's up
Thanks J!
Well... it does seem better than the Hard Luck Kings! Are you ever going to review a Yamaha BB or TRBX?
Haha it is! Great question. I have a couple BB's here that we'll be checking out, and definitely a TRB/TRBX in the future :)
@@LowEndLobster Do you work at the music store or something? ;)
Whoa, does it have rolled fretboard edges, too?
I just checked. They didn't seem to be rolled, or at least to the degree of the Sire I have here. Nothing pokey though.
This bass is absolutely gorgeous but the quality of the hardware was always a bit off putting to me. I'd love for Harley Benton to make a more expensive model with better hardware but I can't see them doing that anytime soon.
Thanks Ben. Honestly, if this was passive and had similar pickups to that of the cheaper HB Stingray thing, it'd be a LOT better. V/T/V/T and a 3 way switch for the bridge pickup would be the way to go IMO
10:21 Cat!!! 😂😂😂
:)
It is hard to find a good five string on the budget end. The hum/noise seems to be the biggest issue here. Cheers Low
Try esp ltd, ive had a b-55 (not made anymore but the b-15 is very similar and is still in production)since around 2015 and it never not once let me down
Thanks James! As Steven said, ESP makes solid budget 5'ers (I need to try some, I've only looked at mid ranged ESPs thus far), and I'd also give SBMM a shot :). If you're into a lot of knobs, the Sire V3 5'er is also an option
@@LowEndLobster the thing about cheap esp's is that they're great mod platforms, emgs are direct fits for them. Personally i put a p5ax in my esp and damn its a powerful sounding system. And the stock pups aren't bad either.
@@stevenhirsekorn3444 Thanks Steven! I really need to check out some of their lower end models on here. Looking for a new mod platform for the new year ;).
What do you guys think about the size of the body. Just about to buy one but concerned about the size of the body has the most my time or place sitting down. Don’t want to be wrestling with it :)
It’s the four string I’m interested in by the way
I was hopping this would be the bass i am looking for but the P Pick up being to bright let me sad.
May i ask what would be the best cheapest bass i can get for Dub/Reggae music? I know the role of compression and eq process but that i got covered. Just wondering what would be your advice for the best 5 string bass for the job?
Funny you say it's heavy. At first glance kind of reminds me of a Peavey T40
Both would work excellent for home defense
@@LowEndLobster Well I can't disagree with you there. I loved my Peavey, I couldn't do that. My exwife pawned it while I was deployed, better to send her in as a diversion.
The only thing I love more than EMG is Delano and no one else comes close.
Delanos are great!
🦞you saved me some money for a change! Have been eyeing these for awhile now. Very disappointed in this bass. 🥺
Same here! I really love the old Sandberg Calis and thought this one could be a budget alternative but nay! 😂
if you really want a good bass for slap and funk, buy a sub stingray, or a ray24/ray34 or if you have the money, buy an ernie ball mm stingray, they are great. just buy what is on your budget
@@fisnikbalan5253 I buy a lot of things in my budget. Like my Hamer, Schecters, Spector, Fender, Ibanezs. LOL
Thanks Boomer! I'm bummed about it too, had high hopes!
@@LowEndLobster I consoled myself with a Gretsch G5238 today (I have been after one for ages, why do I love discontinued models?) LOL
@9:00 yea that p pickup sounds a bit brittle
Yeah, I had high hopes for this one. Twas quite the letdown (and the boat anchor!)
@@LowEndLobster yea for the price.compared to the stingray type. I have a HB PB20 in satin black.. it's touch heavy has a bit of neck dive, but the the finish was perfect and it was cheap! I have new pots and treble bleed to fit when I get chance..
It looks cool but I couldn't bring myself to really get into this bass.
You and me both, Ross. Had high hopes for this, but was really let down.
I know you didn't really care for this one, but have you looked at the jazz version at all? (MJ-4)
I have this bass with the cream paintjob and it really is heavy. And that's because the body is thick!!! I measured 4,5cm while the Sire V3 (same price range) is only 4,0 cm thick. And on my bass, there are also some issues with sharp/uneven frets. The tone really isn't convincing. I even consider selling it. :/
Thanks Mandalor! Sorry to hear about your issues with this bass. HB does so much better with their passive models IMO
@@LowEndLobster absolutely. There is a lot of wasted potential.
Do they have that in a four string?
Yes! I think the four string might be the better buy
Try Delano on just the p bass pup.
Nah, not worth modding this IMO. I do have a 4 string delano P in my pickup stash though :)
Aw, this is disappointing. I’ve been toying with getting the 4 string version of this in ‘Pacific Blue’ (as I don’t have, and TBH am not sure I really need an active bass). The reviews I’ve read before have mentioned the MM pup being a bit weak; but have praised everything else. The HB JB-75 I have (and love) is also around the 11Lb mark. Which which a good strap is manageable. My HB PB-51(?) is lighter. Maybe I’ll pass on getting one of these.
Thanks Rev! Yeah, I had higher hopes for this bass.
Yeah buddy, that 4str in lake placid blue looks killer.
How could this setup even hum at any point?? Omg.
Matching headstock, binding, blocks, super cool bridge, truss rod wheel... Dammit :(
Great review as always lobster boss!
I like the sound so just run it passively.
Thanks! Even in a passive config, you have no tone control or anything.
What was shipping like?
No issues with shipping. Thomann packs their stuff very well. Shipping for 3 basses was around 70 bucks when I bought this.
My only regret is that they only sell the MP-4MN in starter packs.
Thanks Bernard!
I wanted to like this, but I agree the stingray style was better.
Absolutely
Agreed, thanks Klay!