You know what I always say to people who say "It is circular to use the bible to talk about the bible", I say oh really, if you have a big problem with that then I have a question for you. Prove to me your 5 senses are working properly without using your 5 senses and being circular. I have yet to find a person who can prove to me their eye sight is working properly without using their eye sight to prove their eye sight.
If people are just a little bit honest,they'll easily see meaning understand that they want to do away with God and the Bible bec they want to do whatever they want ,esp.immoral and disobedient acts without them feeling guilty.No can do,your conscience is within you,sooner or later,you'll breakdown and go down on your knees. THANK GOD for the blessing of rational thinking and moral absolutes.i choose a GOD WITH THE HIGHEST STANDARD of excellence ,not just matter,whatever and queserasera^_^
After watching this it is obvious there are far too many views and comments. Such a tremendous discussion that merits being shared with those who struggle with similar thoughts and questions. Let's pray that those who have heard the answers comes to know and trust in Christ alone for salvation.
True, the older you get, the more and more people you will start to hear about dying ( old highschool classmates, celebrities, etc , etc) -this forces most to face the fact that life is short and death is a certainty.
great job Cliffe !! it's refreshing to see a rational discussion about Christ and his love for us. young people these days more than ever need to see that belief in Christ in no way disqualifies one from being a great scientists, keep up the good work.
Really i thank you for doing this. Because your trying to reach the lost and confused college students with a humble and reasonable way. Unlike some college preacher who just go to provoke the students and make them sin more. May God bless you minister.
That guy was an existentialist.... Someone who distances themselves from moral guidance.... its more about ends justify the means, and the value of human life is varying. There are a lot of existentialists in the world.... that personality usually stems from a firm foundation in naturalism, or Darwinism. Hitler and Stalin are the rock start existentialists.... but there are many others who are not so fourthcoming.... like most of the people in power today are existentialists.... the CIA is comprised of mostly existentialists. ect...
There are many contradictions between when the sun and the water were created and the order in which it happened between the Bible and what get's taught in Evolution class....really need to study them out before anyone can say there is no contradiction between Evolution and the Bible....God bless your work Cliffe
@D A Clearly I enjoy life a lot more than you since I'm not dreaming of post-death fantasy land. Eternity will help you learn your grammar but when even Einstein's lectures become boring you will long for death too. Life is only meaningful because it's finite.
God is ALL POWERFUL! He created heaven & earth by His words! He can resurrect any one from the dead if He wants! We never question the intellect or wisdom of God! “Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, NOT knowing the scriptures, NOR the power of God.” Matthew 22:29 I encourage you all to STUDY THE WORD OF GOD… you will be surprised how the Holy Spirit will give you insight & understanding most of all, ANSWERS to your questions! 🙏🏼🤍🕊️ Without God Almighty, there in NO science! Man’s knowledge is NOT above God!!!
WHAT! No hard science in the Bible? I know this is an old video, so I hope you have had a chance to correct this statement. Just a couple examples; Job 26:7 He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing; Job 36:27, 28 27 He draws up the drops of water; They condense into rain from his mist; 28 Then the clouds pour it down; They shower down upon mankind.
Here’s a couple more that I find interesting: (forgive me, commenting on the TH-cam mobile app is horrible) * “He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; He hung the Earth on Nothing” earth in space and not some flat land resting on something else. Also, they would not have known that space was empty. job 26:7 * “In Peleg’s time the Earth was divided” the continents show that they were once together now called Pangea. They’re separated by water now. Peleg’s name in Hebrew means “division” or “water”. genesis 10:25 * Atheistic evolutionary biologists are now claiming that evolution is more prone to degradation of a species than that of improvement; genetic loading. But they would never accept that thats biblical. We are degradations of the perfected humans-Adam and Eve, and now biologists confirm the concept of deterioration over time. * The Universe began to exist from nothing. That is now confirmed. * Abraham’s city of Ur was ridiculed and thought not to exist until it was found in 1854. This then proceeded to happen with tons and tons of places, people, and things. Archeological findings strongly align with the Bible’s historical reliability, even after all this time. * Dinosaurs possibly with men? Job 40:15-24 * “He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in” Isaiah 40:22 this may be a stretch, but is that a reference to the universe expanding???? The word "space" comes from the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction *speh-, which means "to stretch"... * “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible” Hebrews 11:3 * The image of the beast will be breathed with life. The beast may possibly be an advanced AI * Water is life or represents life in the Bible. “We will never thirst if we drink from the fountain of Christ”. And look at what we see: When we look for life elsewhere in the universe, we are looking for water. When people are dying, what do they ask for? * Big Bang/spacetime expansion mentioned many, many times that “he STRETCHED out the heavens”. It is also mentioned at least twice that in the end the heavens will roll up like a scroll. * God knows the laws of the heavens. We have physical and mathematical laws Job 38:33 * The entire creation, the universe, is in pervasive decay. Entropy. Romans 8 * Disease theory, quarantining, and Levitical cleanliness as God commanded in Leviticus, backed you by modern germ theory. * The Breath of Life is life, and (Lev 17:11, lev 17:14) “For the life of the flesh is in the blood...”. Blood is what carries oxygen to all of the cells in the body. * Man is made and brought up from the dust of the earth. This understanding that we are the same substance as the things in the earth is so far beyond it’s time that it can only come from God. * Leviticus. They are commanded not to have incest. (Genetic corruption)
Students must not try to be more clever than their Creator,who gave them life and knowledge.Learn from Him who has overcome death!!Rather be save than sorry!!There is no turning back after death for forgiveness.A child look ip to its parents for guidance,so the parents look up to their Heavenly Father for guidance!
Rising from the dead is not impossible: My father was once pronounced dead by dint of alcohol poisoning, but then he ended up making it anyway. With Jesus, his rising from the dead was a miracle that indicates that the nature of life is spiritual, not material. It also indicates that Jesus was, at the very least, very advanced spiritually, if not God.
Just picking up on something Cliffe said "I believe Jesus lived a sinless life", no disrespect to Jesus, or people who believe in him, but what if I said it was a sin for Jesus not to be crystal clear on things like his thoughts on mankind owning other people, hundreds of years later we had slave ships take black people from their homes in west Africa, and using words from the Bible to justify their actions "Slaves obey your masters with fear and respect", .. or being crystal clear on torture, again , from the Bible "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", this phrase was used to justify torturing and burning people alive at the stake. I could argue that Jesus should have made it empirically clear and totally unambiguous that those kind of actions were absolutely abhorrent. Anyone who uses the Bible for the purposes of causing innocent people extreme torture is immoral, but perhaps the writers of the Bible could have written it in such a way that it would be impossible to take out of context.
The evil, the corrupt and the dishonest will always pretend they misinterpret anything in the Bible to make their point, or take Bible quotes out of context to accuse it.
@@oldscorp Hi George, i wasn't really talking about people dishonestly taking the bible out of context for their own evil ends. Could God have inspired people to have written the Bible so that it was impossible to take out of context?
There is a reason the words of Jesus are highlighted differently than the rest of the book. "Love your neighbor as you would love yourself" kind of covers burning witches and obeying your masters. Although an eye for an eye is just punishment, Jesus took the penalty. All the old laws and practices made to try and solve human evil are covered by his grace and followers of Christ are to show that same forgiveness even to witches and even to slave masters, should they repent.
@@dogelife7901 Thanks for that. I would disagree that "Love your neighbor as yourself" covers committing horrific acts, there is disagreement as to what Jesus actually meant by "neighbor", some people believe he was referring to "fellow Jew" how easy would it have been for Jesus to completely make it totally unambiguous so there could be no doubt whatsoever, esp, as it was misinterpreted by some jews to mean, fellow neighbor. If I was God, and I wanted people to know *exactly* what I meant, i could make it much more explicit... and certainly I would make it expressly clear that torturing another human being, .. esp doing it in the belief that God commanded it, I could easily make that a major commandment "Thou shalt not torture thy fellow man".. and i could even go into exactly what I regarded as torture. God missed a good opportunity to explain himself clearly there it seems to me.
At last some civilized people who can agree and disagree shake hands. It only gets annoying when a woman involved . Men can agree and disagree but can still shake hands in the end.
Is theology a science? So how can one contradict the other? Is geology or archaeology a science? We use some of what they offer to assist theology. We create for ourselves, a philosophy after consideration. If we use unproven theory and call that science, then we are not being honest. I believe that you move unproven theories forward because we don't like the concept of authority, your science is your faith in a theory. If you use your faith to discount someone else's faith, don't name your faith "science". Since creation teaches organisms are like unto their kind and created after their kind, it tells us there are no transitional life forms to be found. We also know that the time required to try each combination in the DNA just isn't going to be available for how things are. If we dig deep in numerous places, we were told by Darwin the evidence could be there. It's not. The vast array of life all occurs in that precambrian era. They call it "the precambrian explosion". Plenty of fossils, no organisms caught between. No change from one kind to another kind is proven. There are combinations of traits in each kind that have changed. There can be intelligence behind the origin. There's evidence of so much information within a single cell, and the blueprint for what it becomes is present in it's DNA blueprint, or sequence. You need the sciences to work on the sciences. Having faith can make rationality result in your thinking. If your wrong in your faith, you will keep changing your story. We read that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. He is not so affected as we are and our evidence for organisms is. There's call for an architect of life. An author of life. The designer of life. I think.
"What are you living for and what is the evidence that what you're living for is true?" has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard. That question only applies to theism because if there is no God, then it doesn't matter if what you're living for is true.
And you base that on what exactly? If there is no God, WHY doesn't it matter if what you're living for is true ? Also, have you noticed that you unwittingly admitted that rejecting the idea of God separates you from reality? You basically said you don't need to be consistent with reality without God. Read what you said again. That is your brain on atheism.
Last kid did Cliffe’s Job for him 😂
You love to see it, keep doing what you’re doing Cliffe.
Refreshing to see I think
You know what I always say to people who say "It is circular to use the bible to talk about the bible", I say oh really, if you have a big problem with that then I have a question for you. Prove to me your 5 senses are working properly without using your 5 senses and being circular. I have yet to find a person who can prove to me their eye sight is working properly without using their eye sight to prove their eye sight.
True except I am legally blind.
If people are just a little bit honest,they'll easily see meaning understand that they want to do away with God and the Bible bec they want to do whatever they want ,esp.immoral and disobedient acts without them feeling guilty.No can do,your conscience is within you,sooner or later,you'll breakdown and go down on your knees. THANK GOD for the blessing of rational thinking and moral absolutes.i choose a GOD WITH THE HIGHEST STANDARD of excellence ,not just matter,whatever and queserasera^_^
Very good.
Great response
Ppi
After watching this it is obvious there are far too many views and comments. Such a tremendous discussion that merits being shared with those who struggle with similar thoughts and questions. Let's pray that those who have heard the answers comes to know and trust in Christ alone for salvation.
will do!
This was a good discussion. Cliffe always does a good job of illustrating his points with examples.
I love how Cliff let the two students talk it out.
Keep the good work going Cliffe!
True, the older you get, the more and more people you will start to hear about dying ( old highschool classmates, celebrities, etc , etc) -this forces most to face the fact that life is short and death is a certainty.
great job Cliffe !! it's refreshing to see a rational discussion about Christ and his love for us. young people these days more than ever need to see that belief in Christ in no way disqualifies one from being a great scientists, keep up the good work.
Really i thank you for doing this.
Because your trying to reach the lost and confused college students with a humble and reasonable way. Unlike some college preacher who just go to provoke the students and make them sin more. May God bless you minister.
Great point cliffe!!
Thank-you sir. I appreciate all the information that you give. I enjoy the videos. God Bless-Trent
God invented science.
That guy was an existentialist.... Someone who distances themselves from moral guidance.... its more about ends justify the means, and the value of human life is varying. There are a lot of existentialists in the world.... that personality usually stems from a firm foundation in naturalism, or Darwinism. Hitler and Stalin are the rock start existentialists.... but there are many others who are not so fourthcoming.... like most of the people in power today are existentialists.... the CIA is comprised of mostly existentialists. ect...
"how can I get past God's authority and live my life my way without having to think about it." is the basic motivation for most of these questions.
There are many contradictions between when the sun and the water were created and the order in which it happened between the Bible and what get's taught in Evolution class....really need to study them out before anyone can say there is no contradiction between Evolution and the Bible....God bless your work Cliffe
The first guy was logically inconsistent but he was very patient and tolerate with listening to someone with a different opinion.
Amen
it's easy for a 19 year old to say he's not interested in life after death.
It's easy for anyone to say they aren't interested in an eternal existence.
@@fishjj76 I think you missed the point bud
@@DA-og5pj I don't think so. I have no desire to live forever.
@@fishjj76 who wouldn’t want to live in paradise forever with there family . You must really hate your life
@D A Clearly I enjoy life a lot more than you since I'm not dreaming of post-death fantasy land. Eternity will help you learn your grammar but when even Einstein's lectures become boring you will long for death too. Life is only meaningful because it's finite.
Over 30 million people have had near death experiences. There is a 100% proof that there is an after life and a heaven and a hell.
Another video proving my point that cliffe hasnt aged in 11 years.
“It’s easy to smell a rotten egg, it’s hard to lay a better one.”
First guy sounds exactly like Matt Damon from Good Will hunting.
Great!!!
Kind of sounds like Matt Damon
God is ALL POWERFUL! He created heaven & earth by His words! He can resurrect any one from the dead if He wants! We never question the intellect or wisdom of God!
“Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, NOT knowing the scriptures, NOR the power of God.”
Matthew 22:29
I encourage you all to STUDY THE WORD OF GOD… you will be surprised how the Holy Spirit will give you insight & understanding most of all, ANSWERS to your questions! 🙏🏼🤍🕊️
Without God Almighty, there in NO science! Man’s knowledge is NOT above God!!!
WHAT! No hard science in the Bible? I know this is an old video, so I hope you have had a chance to correct this statement. Just a couple examples; Job 26:7 He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing; Job 36:27, 28 27 He draws up the drops of water; They condense into rain from his mist;
28 Then the clouds pour it down; They shower down upon mankind.
Here’s a couple more that I find interesting: (forgive me, commenting on the TH-cam mobile app is horrible)
* “He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; He hung the Earth on Nothing” earth in space and not some flat land resting on something else. Also, they would not have known that space was empty. job 26:7
* “In Peleg’s time the Earth was divided” the continents show that they were once together now called Pangea. They’re separated by water now. Peleg’s name in Hebrew means “division” or “water”. genesis 10:25
* Atheistic evolutionary biologists are now claiming that evolution is more prone to degradation of a species than that of improvement; genetic loading. But they would never accept that thats biblical. We are degradations of the perfected humans-Adam and Eve, and now biologists confirm the concept of deterioration over time.
* The Universe began to exist from nothing. That is now confirmed.
* Abraham’s city of Ur was ridiculed and thought not to exist until it was found in 1854. This then proceeded to happen with tons and tons of places, people, and things. Archeological findings strongly align with the Bible’s historical reliability, even after all this time.
* Dinosaurs possibly with men? Job 40:15-24
* “He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in” Isaiah 40:22 this may be a stretch, but is that a reference to the universe expanding???? The word "space" comes from the Proto-Indo-European reconstruction *speh-, which means "to stretch"...
* “By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible” Hebrews 11:3
* The image of the beast will be breathed with life. The beast may possibly be an advanced AI
* Water is life or represents life in the Bible. “We will never thirst if we drink from the fountain of Christ”. And look at what we see: When we look for life elsewhere in the universe, we are looking for water. When people are dying, what do they ask for?
* Big Bang/spacetime expansion mentioned many, many times that “he STRETCHED out the heavens”. It is also mentioned at least twice that in the end the heavens will roll up like a scroll.
* God knows the laws of the heavens. We have physical and mathematical laws Job 38:33
* The entire creation, the universe, is in pervasive decay. Entropy. Romans 8
* Disease theory, quarantining, and Levitical cleanliness as God commanded in Leviticus, backed you by modern germ theory.
* The Breath of Life is life, and (Lev 17:11, lev 17:14) “For the life of the flesh is in the blood...”. Blood is what carries oxygen to all of the cells in the body.
* Man is made and brought up from the dust of the earth. This understanding that we are the same substance as the things in the earth is so far beyond it’s time that it can only come from God.
* Leviticus. They are commanded not to have incest. (Genetic corruption)
need a reupload with better quality.
richard darkins vs Cliffe Knechtle .... make it happen!
Students must not try to be more clever than their Creator,who gave them life and knowledge.Learn from Him who has overcome death!!Rather be save than sorry!!There is no turning back after death for forgiveness.A child look ip to its parents for guidance,so the parents look up to their Heavenly Father for guidance!
all the blue jeans wow
This was so beautiful.
An atheist preaching the gospel.
?
You speak very good Spanish
Wisdom and faith are trivialized by so many young people seeking truth in sex , drugs , and booze. They know better.
Don't forget to share this ion facebook guys! Shine your lights!
If if if if if if
agreed
matt damon
young matt damon
The first guys stress me out a little 😂.
The guy said he's not interested in afterlife. WELL TO BAD BROTHER🤣 God made us all eternal so ut doesn't matter lol.
Rising from the dead is not impossible: My father was once pronounced dead
by dint of alcohol poisoning, but then he ended up making it anyway.
With Jesus, his rising from the dead was a miracle that indicates that the nature of life is spiritual,
not material. It also indicates that Jesus was, at the very least, very advanced spiritually, if not God.
"I'm hot and usually get what I want because of it. What do you mean God is in charge?"
Just picking up on something Cliffe said "I believe Jesus lived a sinless life", no disrespect to Jesus, or people who believe in him, but what if I said it was a sin for Jesus not to be crystal clear on things like his thoughts on mankind owning other people, hundreds of years later we had slave ships take black people from their homes in west Africa, and using words from the Bible to justify their actions "Slaves obey your masters with fear and respect", .. or being crystal clear on torture, again , from the Bible "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live", this phrase was used to justify torturing and burning people alive at the stake. I could argue that Jesus should have made it empirically clear and totally unambiguous that those kind of actions were absolutely abhorrent. Anyone who uses the Bible for the purposes of causing innocent people extreme torture is immoral, but perhaps the writers of the Bible could have written it in such a way that it would be impossible to take out of context.
The evil, the corrupt and the dishonest will always pretend they misinterpret anything in the Bible to make their point, or take Bible quotes out of context to accuse it.
@@oldscorp Hi George, i wasn't really talking about people dishonestly taking the bible out of context for their own evil ends. Could God have inspired people to have written the Bible so that it was impossible to take out of context?
There is a reason the words of Jesus are highlighted differently than the rest of the book. "Love your neighbor as you would love yourself" kind of covers burning witches and obeying your masters.
Although an eye for an eye is just punishment, Jesus took the penalty. All the old laws and practices made to try and solve human evil are covered by his grace and followers of Christ are to show that same forgiveness even to witches and even to slave masters, should they repent.
@@dogelife7901 Thanks for that. I would disagree that "Love your neighbor as yourself" covers committing horrific acts, there is disagreement as to what Jesus actually meant by "neighbor", some people believe he was referring to "fellow Jew" how easy would it have been for Jesus to completely make it totally unambiguous so there could be no doubt whatsoever, esp, as it was misinterpreted by some jews to mean, fellow neighbor. If I was God, and I wanted people to know *exactly* what I meant, i could make it much more explicit... and certainly I would make it expressly clear that torturing another human being, .. esp doing it in the belief that God commanded it, I could easily make that a major commandment "Thou shalt not torture thy fellow man".. and i could even go into exactly what I regarded as torture. God missed a good opportunity to explain himself clearly there it seems to me.
Do U think dawkins has a chance with this guy?
Death is HORRA!
I really hope the guy in the jeans and the black hoody comes too christ, he would be a very big help on spreading the word :)
I sure wonder what ever happened to that first kid :) hope he came to know Christ.
At last some civilized people who can agree and disagree shake hands. It only gets annoying when a woman involved . Men can agree and disagree but can still shake hands in the end.
Woman tend to be more emotional.
Is theology a science?
So how can one contradict the other?
Is geology or archaeology a science?
We use some of what they offer to assist theology.
We create for ourselves, a philosophy after consideration.
If we use unproven theory and call that science, then we are not being honest.
I believe that you move unproven theories forward because we don't like the concept of authority, your science is your faith in a theory.
If you use your faith to discount someone else's faith, don't name your faith "science".
Since creation teaches organisms are like unto their kind and created after their kind, it tells us there are no transitional life forms to be found.
We also know that the time required to try each combination in the DNA just isn't going to be available for how things are.
If we dig deep in numerous places, we were told by Darwin the evidence could be there.
It's not.
The vast array of life all occurs in that precambrian era.
They call it "the precambrian explosion".
Plenty of fossils, no organisms caught between. No change from one kind to another kind is proven.
There are combinations of traits in each kind that have changed.
There can be intelligence behind the origin.
There's evidence of so much information within a single cell, and the blueprint for what it becomes is present in it's DNA blueprint, or sequence.
You need the sciences to work on the sciences. Having faith can make rationality result in your thinking.
If your wrong in your faith, you will keep changing your story.
We read that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
He is not so affected as we are and our evidence for organisms is. There's call for an architect of life. An author of life. The designer of life.
I think.
"What are you living for and what is the evidence that what you're living for is true?" has got to be one of the dumbest things I've heard. That question only applies to theism because if there is no God, then it doesn't matter if what you're living for is true.
And you base that on what exactly? If there is no God, WHY doesn't it matter if what you're living for is true ? Also, have you noticed that you unwittingly admitted that rejecting the idea of God separates you from reality? You basically said you don't need to be consistent with reality without God. Read what you said again. That is your brain on atheism.
This didn't age well.
Illinois gang
Wisdom and faith are trivialized by so many young people seeking truth in sex , drugs , and booze. They know better.
Wisdom and faith are trivialized by so many young people seeking truth in sex , drugs , and booze. They know better.
Wisdom and faith are trivialized by so many young people seeking truth in sex , drugs , and booze. They know better.