Bridgerton Season 2 ~ Lost in Adaptation
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- How much does season two of Netflix Bridgerton resemble The Viscount Who Loved Me by Julia Quinn?
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0:00 Intro
0:50 Season 2
1:45 The Plot Twist
3:15 What They Didn't Change
6:03 What They Changed
16:26 POST BEE
24:42 What They Added
33:33 Final Thoughts - บันเทิง
As a black woman I’m ok with them just pretending racism ended fully when the king and queen married. I wish they hadn’t said anything about race in season one and just had a diverse cast with no explanation. I want cute light romance. There’s plenty of other shows that cover my need for politics in fiction for this show I want to turn my brain off and see pretty people kiss
Me too 😭 sometimes I just want to watch regency AND see people like me having fun
I agree, and I don't think they should've had anything that points out the race thing tbh. I'm a very very passionate fan of human history, but this is a fantasy, no one is watching expecting an historically accurate regency drama, not even the gowns and the hairdos are accurate, so it makes sense it would have a mix of people that aren't historically accurate and no mention of historical events.
Pointing it out or trying to clumsily explain it to me was a big faux pas, should've just ignore it and kept going because people are watching it anyway and everyone is enjoying it, so who cares.
I just assume it's completely alternate history, going back at least a couple of hundred years and probably more, and the Queen Charlotte thing was just about admitting an already well-accepted black middle class into the previously all-white aristocracy.
Thank you. Just a colour blind show about rich beautiful people falling in love and wearing gorgeous costumes - its all i need really
Those who wish to turn their brain off and watch something should stare at a wall and leave TV shows to those who want to use their brain.
Ah, so the author really enjoys the "I can fix this emotionally distant man who was traumatized in his past" trope.
Emotionally distant men with daddy issues describes pretty much all of them
Literally every male character in a Bridgerton novel needs therapy, not a wife
How did this comment get posted a day ago on a video that posted an hour ago???
It's a fantasy all women have at some point, that's why it's so common in romance, where it has a chance of working because it's fiction.
This is the entire plot of the spin off show based on Queen Charlotte, absolutely insufferable.
Leaving Bridgerton for the D&D movie is indeed an understandable move and honestly this series would probably be better if it operated off of D&D rules.
Stranger Things already does that.
can you give an example of what you mean by operating on D&D rules?
Dimension 20 did a season directly inspired by Bridgerton! They used a mixture of 5e and Good Society rules. Highly recommend.
@@inkynewt Neat!
@@errorsinconduct The joke is that this series would be better if it was a fundamentally different story, i.e a D&D one.
I love the gratuitous inclusion of “you are the bane of my existence and the object of all my desires.” It’s been 2 years and it still makes me giggle like a schoolgirl 😅
it's 100% female gaze fanservice and I eat it up like I've been starving for weeks. no regrets
@@d.o.m.i.We have been out here in the desert thirsting for well-written, well-delivered, high-budget female gaze content forEVER. I don’t care. If John Wick gets to be considered good, then so does Bridgerton as far as I’m concerned.
Reminds me of Darcy’s first proposal to Elizabeth … “In vain have I struggled. It will not do. You must allow me to tell you how I ardently love and admire you.” ( Austen)
Interesting thing about Colin is he comes back in season 2 having been traveling through Europe, which he does again at the end of the season and him coming back at the beginning of season 3 having travelled through Europe again. If season 2 and 3 take place during 1814-1815 that means Colin was traveling through Europe (and notably Paris) during the *Napoleonic Wars*. This has led me to theorize that Colin Bridgerton is in fact a spy, The Regency Era James Bond if you will.
Wow I wish someone would write that romance story. Imagine the spy and the secret society paper writer fall in love and try to keep their secret from each other while working to find out what is the other one hiding. After the secrets are out they will join forces and do something amazing for the crown 👑
To be slightly fair, Napoleon would've been in exile on Elba for most of the time Colin was traveling, but unless I'm misremembering he probably would've escaped around the time season 3 starts and the Battle of Waterloo would be happening by around the end of the season, yet there's nary a mention of it by a single character. It's like international politics don't even exist in the show, which to a certain extent I get, this is a fantasy version of the Regency Era, but I still wish they played a bit more into actual historical events of the time if they're bothering to set it in a specific period in the first place.
My pet peeve with Colin's travels is that he was supposed to be going on the "grand tour" at the end of season one, which could typically last for up to 2 years, but for plot reasons they have him illogically keep coming back right at the start of each London social season. He literally shows up right as his family is about to leave for the Queen's presentation day as if his flight was delayed and he just landed! I think the writers have lost (or never had) all sense of just how long travel took in those days, but the most egregious example has to be with Anthony and Kate's decision to hop on a ship to India WHILE SHE'S VISIBLY PREGNANT. Sailing from England to India back them could take 5-6 months, so best case scenario that baby's being born at sea. Way to risk the lives of your beloved wife and unborn child, Viscount!
@@LeanneLukacs I think the writers are just really bad with numbers. In Queen Charlotte we meet Violet Ledger age 12 in 1761, that series simultaneously takes place in late 1817-1818 (historically Queen Charlotte’s first and last year as Queen irl). With a 57 year gap that means Violet Bridgerton is 68-69 years old in the 19th century scenes. That also means that she would’ve had Anthony when she was 35 (since he was 29 in 1814) and then proceeded to have 7 more healthy children over the next 20 years having Gregory and Hyacinth in her 50s, which I’m pretty sure in the late 18th-early 19th centuries would make her a medical marvel.
Of course it’s more likely the writers’ room just forgot to use their calculators.
I want the "My name is Bridgerton. Colin Bridgerton. " series, "Wellington's Spy " or "In the Secret Service of the Prince Regent".
Maybe his tour got interrupted because of the war, and the war starting again because of Napoleon's return?
But why are so many writers and showrunners incapable of making a timeline and using addition and subtraction to place all characters and important events on it?
that would explain why he's so bland! that's his cover! XD
I learned recently that there is a distinct difference between Enemies to Lovers and Rivals to Lovers, and it also made me realise what these two tropes do right when they're actually used correctly. Enemies to Lovers is about opposing sides connecting through love, and Rivals to Lovers is usually about two individuals who are actually the perfect match but have to get over themselves and their egos to realise it. It's not supposed to just be two people who hate each other but also want to bang.
Most enemies-to-lovers is actually rivals-to-lovers wearing a trench-coat. We deserve better enemies-to-lovers romances!
And itts confusing why its called enemies to lovers, as you would assume they were actually starcrossed in a way, but from fractions that hate each other thus have to get over that. Aka actual enemies.
Not an a dude clearly so much helps and you suspect him for no good reason. Because he is nothing but supportive. Hell didnt even pretend to threaten you. Or being actual enemies that , develope a strong relationship that they overcome eventually differences and get on the same boat, and bang. Which conmfusingly is counted as rivals when they were archenemies
That trope use is more misleading than any useful. Like after that romeo and juliet is rivals to lovers when the story is about enemy clans?!
@@roselover411 Watered down enemies-to-lovers that is just rivals-to-lovers for boring ppl has ruined the whole perception of the trope imo. Now people read "enemies-to-lovers" and expect some arguing and some office mobbing, instead of 2 people from 2 enemy factions that are fighting and hurting each other until the romance part kicks in and may or may not end with one killing the other.
People see real enemies-to-lovers and whine it's abuse or some crap🤡
And don't forgett about Bullies to Lovers. I get enemies I get rivals but I believe any woman choosing her bullie... 😅
@@roselover411Yesss!!!! That's one of the things that I hate about writers using it incorrectly other than one-sided hatred.
Perosnally, I did not mind the enemies-to-lovers here. Because in this case I felt it worked onto something: Anthony and Kate are more alike than they care to admit. and their dislike of each other is more their dislike of the flaws they have that they fail to recognize as such.
That's usually the case with enemies-to-lovers tropes.
@@reneedailey1696 Nah, that's not always the case. Sometimes it is that their personalities are so opposed they irritate each other like crazy.
other times they are literally enemies because they are in opposing sides of a war.
Not a fan of that trope personally. But romance stories generally aren't my thing.
@@reneedailey1696I think that that is usually sign posted as being true, but I often find that the narrative doesn’t do a lot of the work to make it FEEL true through the character development along the way. Something like the movie The Hating Game. It just… happens. I really love the character work done in this show to demonstrate how much they are alike so that we - the audience - feel like they’re a good fit not just based off of chemistry but actual shared experiences and outlooks.
@@locuas5601 "other times they are literally enemies because they are in opposing sides of a war." this is Enemies-to-lovers, anything else is just Rivals-to-lovers. What Anthony and Kate had was Rivals-to-lovers.
Queen Victoria did have people in her court from India (and other countries) - often princes or princesses who had been dispossessed by the British. And they did, at times, have a very familial relationship. But many of them did end up falling out over their treatment by the British. Princess Sophia Duleep Singh became a famous suffragette!
And the ones who continued ruling in India as rajas and maharajas were not really the most progressive bunch, either... There is a reason why 'as rich as a maharaja' is a saying, even while the commoners were barely scraping by.
Points for mentioning her! I just did and then scrolled down to see you already had. Of course, that was a bit later than _Bridgerton._
And this is set at least a decade before Victoria.
@@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 as it matters at all. I wonder how the Napoleonic wars were mentioned with Marina's story, but they played no role when Colin went travelling through Europe, twice.
Yeah it would also be absolutely logical for aristocrats like the grandparents to not be racists but classists. As a matter of fact racism esp. within the royals is a farily new invention. Just think of Teophanu and Otto or the Harta King of the vandals and the Princess of the Niger, or the black Pharaons and makedonias. After all until the 16th century nobody in Europe would have thought you were less than because of your race (just look at the Difference between a "Neger" and a "Mohr" in Central european fairytales). From a racial point of view our world was way less divided just a couple of hundred years ago. We were mostly divided by wealth. However we shouldn't fool ourselves. If an oil prince travels, we all get the Red carpets ready no matter his coulors. And we all trun our backs on the white single moms in the ukraine. It was never about coulor, and is always about money.
Dom: "I'm afraid you have assumed too much and have made a fool of yourself..."
Me: "Ah!" 😮💨
Dom: "...but that's okay, because I love you."
Me: "...ah!" 🥰
Men were fine with pink in this time period. Yes, that’s the other historical inaccuracy that bugged me
As I understood this scene, the black maillet of death is Anthony's preferred weapon, maybe representing his dominance over the game ? I don't think he is as annoyed as having to use the pink one, but rather annoyed at his """nemesis""" taking HIS maillet and then the rest of the family beating him to any choice because he was too stunned to react and the color was imposed on him by way of losing. Am I overthinking this ? Yay definitely XD
@@Crouteceleste nah, i think that's the angle the show went with as opposed to the book! so i think you're right
well, a side effect of racism dying early was this change
@@j.b.5422 so the universe demands that either pink is for girls or the racists win?😢
From the way it's shot, the Black Mallet of Death also appears to be much bigger, a heftier weapon of choice than the smaller pink mallet
Y'know the way they tackled Anthony is making me hope they tackle Eloise's love interest in a better way. Please, god, please
Samee. Like they need to change his entire personality 😂
@@taminaah7188 They've already changed Eloise, might as well go all the way. I vote either no love interest, lesbian, or himbo as a breath of fresh air
I'm here for her and Cressida to be honest
But I'll take any woman as her love interest
And if it's not a woman then as Dom said! No love interest just stopping assassination plots
@@oli_kate Right?
@@Sootielove I'd take Theo, Cressida, Marina, or coachman John for Eloise.
Just a passing thought but one of the reasons the daughters of an aristocratic Indian family not heaving a problem with cosying up to the Queen is that that is exactly what the Indian aristocracy did in India. It was the Mughals who introduced the East India company to Indira and the Marathas and others were equally keen to extract as much money from their poor as possible -the British were originally just an expedient to that end.
I was about to say, depending on the grandparents' caste, it almost makes sense for them to be more classist than racist.
This is sadly true the world over. The reason Europeans were able to acquire so many black slaves for their New World plantations was that there was already a trade in slaves in west Africa - they were just particularly enthusiastic customers, not the originators.
@@annelyle5474 And you know anywhere with the Roman empire, Scandinavian viking raids, and serf labor in Europe was already familiar with the concept.
Yes nations sucking up to their colonizers and throwing their poorer classes under the bus are a common theme all over the world
The showrunners have said that Bridgerton works on a different timeline to reality. So essentially don’t worry about historical accuracy. They didn’t necessarily happen in Bridgerton.
Yeah, and it’s also a romance drama show so it’s a little weird to except them to use the screen time to explain why the Nepoleon wars aren’t happening. It would be really out of place.
I really, really, reeeeeaaaaalllllly wish that Shondaland would have just issued a statement, something like, “yep, we absolutely filmed this with a “colorblind” state of mind. It’s historical fiction, takes place in an alternate universe, and is a reason to show off pretty people in pretty costumes.”
I can't really trust Shondaland to handle colorblindness that well, not after having to sit through _Scandal_ because of my mother and watching Shonda Rhimes only really apply colorblind casting when she was writing around a real-life scandal involving a black person i.e. the legally-distinct-from-Bill-Cosby episode.
And there have been things the actors have said about the casting process that suggest there was an element of colorblind casting. Luke Newton (Colin) admitted in a few interviews he auditioned for Simon initially (and apparently Jonathan Bailey did as well). I don’t know how seriously they were taken for the role, or if they just used a handful of principal characters as audition material and then moved them over to the appropriate roles as the process progressed. But with two white actors having acknowledged auditioning for Simon, it is hard to take Chris Van Dusen and Shondaland seriously in their attempts to distance themselves from the “colorblind casting” label, unless they provide further insight into the casting process.
"I'll suck out the venom!" *HHUURRBBBRRLLGGGLGGLLGGGBLL*
Left wheezing, squatting in the middle of the room, giggling what remains of my breath out.
10/10 way to be killed by a The Dom skit.
I had already been killed by "ai-EEEE!" earlier.
Honestly, I'll always prefer the show due to how it handled the bee scene so much better. So glad they changed it!
Yeah even beyond the book version being more akin to "the pizzas here and I don't have any money" than romance, it's just genuinely well done in the show
When Dom was reenacting the book scene, I was surprised the girl wasn't slapping Anthony and trying to bash his head in. I mean, he has his face in her bosom!!!
@@margaretschaufele6502Or have her scream "I PROMISE I'M OKAY!"
I think we're supposed to understand that since there are noble Indian women, that the atrocities of those centuries were more successfully fended off by the rightful populations.
But that could be me just being overly optimistic.
I'm not sure if the British Empire would have had the advantages that allowed it to conquer a quarter of the earth without the massive amount of wealth generated by the conquest of India.
Given the other inconsistencies within the show, I don't think that the show runners thought through the implications of the world building.
There were noble Indian women in Britain in real life, but for less optimistic reasons. A lot of Indian royal families cozied up to the British Empire in order to be allowed to keep their land and a certain level of power. It's actually how the East India Company took hold in India in the first place. So those atrocities could very much still be taking place while Indian nobles were in the UK.
I can name an example. The Pataudi family assisted the British EIC during a war against the Maratha Empire. The last recognised nawab of the Pataudis was Mansoor Ali Khan, who inherited the role from his father who was the last Pataudi ruler during the British Raj. Mansoor went on to become captain of the Indian cricket team, marry classic film legend Sharmila Tagore (daughter of Rabindranath Tagore, literally the poet who wrote the Indian national anthem) and had 3 kids, 2 of whom became actors (one being the successful Saif Ali Khan).
@@ActuallyAnanya Sophie Duleep Singh was an Indian princess and suffragette -- although that was in the Victorian era, not the Regency.
@@ActuallyAnanya that is a really good point
@ActuallyAnanya this. India was, and in many ways still is, a very highly segregated, religiously enforced class system high class, rich nobility from India would likely be very disconnected from the struggles of those in the caste levels below them, possibly even justifying their suffering as deserved karma for wrongdoing in a past life, depending on how heavily Hinduism is taken seriously in the family
dom: "but i need to read something else. anything else"
everyone else: "so what I'm hearing is more EL James?"
I need to hear him rant about 365 Days.
When he said that all I could think was "Be careful what you wish for"
Coleen hoover? Verity? as weird rebecca inspired?
Rebeccas yarros military romance , no not fourth wing, her actual military romance books or some, the one which she kinda uses therapeutic with distracting with her husband away seems liked?
Fun fact: Jonathan Bailey is the VA for Gra’ha Tia in Final Fantasy 14. Really does make this series infinitely more fun to imagine a red haired anime cat boy in the various scenes
WHAT
HE WAHT
HUH?!
Watching the Fan Edit of G'raha doing the bane of my existence speech is one of the best things on the internet lololol
Yes, all of this. It really makes you do a 180 on the super sweet catboy saying all of that and more. And just makes him all the hotter ❤
Oh, and quick note: it's G'raha! I think you hit the apostrophe at the wrong time xP
Oh god, that scene with the mothers...
Dom, you are so incredibly weird and I love you for it
I am having trouble breathing, I’m laughing so hard. The vaunted quintuple Dom scene.
I had to watch that scene twice. Love it when he reenacts stuff like that
I can 100% confirm that one of the sexiest trades show's Anthony has is the way he show his passion. You trully believe that he struggles to keep his hands to himself, and even more so, every single time Kate opens her mouth is like he's drinking her voice, and he actually expresses that, which honestly is kinda the best part. Which is something that Bridgerton started to grasp, hence making "the Confession" one of the most expected moments.
Arguably, Colin discovering the fake jewels is him protecting Penelope and set up for season 3.
I really appreciate Dom always disclaiming and generally being aware when he is not the target audience for something (and he's the only one of the white cis man TH-camrs who talks about media targeted for women who does that that I've come across) cause my response to a lot of his complaints are just "Yeah, well, this is a show for people who love enemies to lovers and love triangles and every other romance trope under the sun"
EDIT: By the way, if any of you want to watch a female youtuber who loves romance tropes talk about this series, I couldn't recommend Julia Cudney's Bridgerton videos more!!!
YES YES YES to Julia Cudney!
Lol loved the casual "Hi, Giles!"
the don as mrs featherington face when they catch kate and anthony is EVERYTHING LMAO
Re: England's historical treatment of India - I feel like there are a lot of implications in the show, especially in the Sharma's and Danbury's backstories, that the divergence point for world history was several centuries before the setting of the show (specifically it seems like the slave trade and certain aspects of english imperialism never happened?) and that the "our queen broke the colour barrier" thing was specifically a recent change in wealthy people of colour finally getting recognized as nobles.
Plenty of Indian nobles and royal families cozied up to the British Empire in order to maintain their local power and lands, that's actually how the East India Company took hold in India in the first place, basically by proxy wars between the kingdoms already present in India at the time. For example there were royal families who directly aided the British Empire in wars against their neighbours.
Within the Bridgerton universe, it seems fairly plausible that Kate and Edwina's father was a clerk working for a royal family that was allied with the British Empire. So unfortunately the girls may have not had any questions for Queen Charlotte about colonising India, when in fact their father's employer may have been directly aiding in said colonisation.
It's a complex topic.
I feel like Enemies to lovers cant just be "An extreme dislike and dissrepsect upon first misunderstooding". To me, good E-2-L needs to have a deep mutal respect. Like, hey I dont necesssrily like you and we are on opposing sides, but you as a person are deeply worthy of respect and deserve to be treated as my equal and even moving onto that respect becoming love. Also, THERE HAS TO BE A REASON THEY DONT LIKE EACHOTHER!
There's really a difference between "enemies to lovers" and "people who annoy each other to lovers"
@@Sootielove we could call it Annoyances to Lovers!
Yeah a good E2L is about the mutual obsession with an equal who drives you bananas. There has to be respect there for you to see them as an equal rival
Good e2l and actually e2l has been replaced by rivals lovers and it's really annoying. Rivals2lovers IS fun, but it's NOT e2l and never will be
You just explained why I like Rivals to Lovers better - the conflict and commonality is somewhat built in, and it slightly less likely to be a toxic mess.
19:53 "Heeey son. Whatcha doing?" 😂😂 I am wheezing
At that point in history the East India Company that effectively ruled India, was not controlled by the British goverment. There was also a lot of intermarriage. Apparently one in three British men in India married Indian women. It was only latter in the Victorian era that that the two races grew more divided. India was an old and rich civilization and a lot of the first European arrivals had a great deal of respect for that, of course a whole bunch of others just wanted to extract as much money as possible. Having rich women (or men) of Indian descent with good social connections in London is perfectly plausible for 1814. And I'd love to read/watch something that considered the complexities of that in a meaningful way.
I am sensing that the Bridgerton (book) series is quite Old Skool, as romance fans would say, in that they traded in very particular tropes that have pretty well fallen out of fashion these days (Ye Olde Bad Boys, the classic "I can fix him!", the genuinely aggressive partners who "just can't help themselves" around their love interests, etc.), most especially with Gen-Z's notably quick adoption around ideas of consent, which has resulted in the Netflix adaptation having to take some, shall we say, "creative liberties" to make the underlying stories more palatable for a modern audience. ^^;
Yeah I was surprised to see they took these for an adaptation, they usually take works that are more recent. I think I've read it like 8 years ago ? The world has changed a lot since 2014 and those books are not timeless classics with deep context like Austen's or Tolkien's for example.
@@Crouteceleste they were published in the 80s so they’re quite old-school. Part of the original bodice ripper phase.
My main complaint with the bridgeton books was that even the less-horrible Male Leads had moments of horrible behaviour that were instant deal-breakers in terms of being Romantic Leads, and how all of the books hit the same major beats, particularly Compromise as a plot device.
Netflix toned Bridgeton down A LOT, and actually put effort into making the love interests people we can root for.
I do feel that sometimes when fans of the books complain about the adaptions making changes-sometimes it's necessary if the tropes present in the novel are now cliched or outdated.
@@MinaStone-wv5uyNot correct. The Duke and I was first published in 2000. Having read some 80s era bodice rippers, I found Quinn’s female characters to have a lot more agency and personality than damsel in distress that fills out a dress.
The triangle with Edwina worked on many levels, but Edwina’s rage at Kate grew old very quickly. She called off the wedding. Antony had never stated he loved her nor was a love match ever really in question, but he would’ve still married her. Kate tried to steer her towards other suitors but she stomped her foot and said she wanted only Antony. Aaaand then she had a tantrum when she found out her sister was in love with Anthony but would’ve still stepped aside to let her have him and called her cruel for her efforts. No matter how often Edwina repeated she was a grown woman now, she still sounded like a spoiled child in the whole affair.
Tbh i think it was kinda justified because its not like Kate did her best to stay away etc. from Anthony.
@@idontreallyknowagoodname4191 wasn’t Edwina the one who constantly shoved them together because they needed to overcome their „differences“ so she could marry Anthony?
@@Seldarius Well, yes, but it seems that she has lived a very shielded life, was much younger than her sister and she also believed Kate and Anthony when they expressed mutual dislike, because she was too naive to understand what that "dislike" actually meant. Her rage is also understandable, I think she could have accepted the fact that Anthony is not deeply in love with her, but finding out that Anthony had feelings for her sister...well, that put a different perspective on things.
Kate probably had a temporary crush on Anthony, but it probably wasn't serious. Still, it would have been a bit weird if she forgave Kate right away.
@@user-qj9en1kp1m I don’t disagree that she had a right to be upset and angry when she realised that she was about to marry a man who loved her sister. It just was dragged out too much in my opinion. Also, when she chose to call off the wedding it was portrayed as a grand evolution in their relationship, her reaching maturity, and finally not being steered by Kate any longer, when really she had called the shots all along. Everybody had catered to what Edwina wanted, even if Kate had doubts Anthony was a good fit for her from the beginning (for various good reasons). It also didn’t help that Kate‘s future was never going to involve any joy for herself, really. Independence? As a governess? Not really a thing. And everybody was okay with that, no, expected her to just be a spinster, so long as Edwina was well settled. Edwina was portrayed as not only sheltered but very selfish and when the whole thing blew up I would’ve liked a moment of reflection from her, too, on where everything had gone wrong. That maybe leaning on her sister and expecting her to give up her own happiness hadn’t been fair. Instead she just kept lashing out and I personally didn’t like it.
@@SeldariusWell, her anger is pretty understandable, she just found out that her fiancé has feelings for her sister. That must be tough. Just as Kate's actions are somewhat understandable, Anthony's...basically everyone messed up, to a certain degree.
I was under the impression that Edwina wasn't fully aware of her sister's plans, about wanting to become a governess. She did seem a bit shocked when Anthony said that they would basically need to banish Kate to India. And she did have a moment of reflection, when she told Kate that they should have a serious conversation, because she is not happy with where they ended up. She even asked Kate something along the lines of "if you had feelings for him, why didn't you say something?".
I think Mary (the mother) had bigger failings than either Kate or Edwina. Edwina was young, naive, inexperienced. Kate was trying to ensure Edwina's future, Anthony impulsively proposed to Edwina, hoping that this would settle the matter (not completely unlike Newland Archer in "The Age of Innocence"), then being afraid to call off the engagement because of various reasons.
Mary on the other hand was too blind to notice what was going on, until it was too late. I mean, Lady Danbury realised there was something between Anthony and Kate. Even Anthony's mother started to suspect it during the wedding ceremony.
Oh no...Marina was depressed in S2. You can see it as she doesn't smile, she speaks a bit melancholic, and the actress accurately has played the sadness in her eyes that is mentioned in Eloise's book.
Some of that was probably real since the actress has spoken about her being depressed and having 2 mental breakdowns while filming
Totally. She's not happy with her life, she's going through the motions. She's not interested in her children, her responsibilities, or even Colin. She's at a point where she's forcing herself to engage, even briefly, with anything, and even that is a struggle.
I saw myself during my worst Depression years, as clear as day.
35:11 okay people, you heard the man, anything else, find him a 50 Shades Of Grey off brand fanfiction that somehow got turned into a YA book series with at least 7 books with number 8 coming out this fall.
... Oh come on, it has to exist, now get going, this opportunity won't come again.
I don’t know about a series, but there is a book called “50 shades of Mr Darcy.” Obviously there’s no movie, but he could compare it to both 50 shades and P&P. 😈
Heyyy, heard of 365 days...😅
@@TempestinBlue hmmm, this shows promise I think
@@vkiran3576 Yes, but no. After all, we are not monsters, we do not torture our favorite creators merely because we enjoy their pain. We must find something that fits the brand, and last I heard 365 Days does not have a book.
So, good idea, I like the moxy, but need something else.
The Dom being a cutie by saying "It is not my jam, my dear viewers, but as by the demand of the PEOPLE I will dive into this topic"... And we love him for being our hero.
Nooo please I can't wait two years for you to do season 3 😭
Agreed!
Agreed!
Her mother, his mother, Mrs. Featherington... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
My least favorite romance trope is love triangles. Either pick one or make out a deal with the two of them and have both as long as the concentrally agree to it.
I would love love triangles if they are actually done right. like if person 1 is head over heels over person 2 who is obsessed with person 3 and it feels like everyone is going to be miserable no matter what happens, like it is in midsummer night's dream. almost all love triangles i've seen (i.e. twilight, bridgerton seasons 1 and 2) is person 1 loves person 2, person 2 loves person 1, but person 3 loves person 2 and person 3 is a better "match" than person 1... it's just there to slow the plot
@@d.o.m.i. 100% agree
I like good love or relation triangles as way to make characters choose and maybe face , and maybe organic drama. Or anything really. Not just one you know is fake and has nothing and one that is an actual.
And the two parties need a relationship on their own, whatever that be, to have to choose there should in near all cases them together having a relationship. Hell if they are brothers thats one as you know there is hurt over however the outcome is, or they actually talk it out which is great too but have too, because its an actual mess, because the 2 actually intereact and if they are close too, organic drama.
The 2 parties she chooses need to have to each other some connection whatever to be poignant
So in short, i like it done well actually, like time travel, but its so easy to do bad. And i cound being fun but limited and silly nonsensical but selfaware as good.
And a love triangle can be literally about a marriage out of respect and arrangement but not love per se vs a passionate , caould even be an agreement among the 3? That develops into drama.
When the love triangle ends in poly, that's peak
Obviously the tropes were all there in the show, but mostly all the decisions make sense - at least in the moment. And I think what saves the show version more than anything is that Kate is usually shown as equal ot slightly superior to Anthony. They argue a lot and he usually loses. Considering their power dynamic in rank and gender that’s enough to balance them. It also helps that he is the one needing to grow while she largely stays true to who she is (though there are shades of her needing to ask more for herself).
Marina seemed extremely depressed to me. The way she was like "Idk I guess I got what I wanted." Made me feel so sad that was the way her story ended.
I enjoyed this season more than the first, possibly because I like the "Enemies to Lovers" trope more than the "Fake Romance inevitably becomes real." Plus, Kate and Anthony had more chemistry than Daphne and Simon, in my opinion.
I also liked this season more and I usually prefer fake dating over enemies to lovers
I agree, they DID have much more chemistry, and at the end (and in season 3), Kate and Anthony genuinely seem like they get along well, whilst I never had that feeling with Daphne and Simon. Daphne mainly just seemed incredibly nervous around him.
I just like Simon much more but that is mostly the actors fault, oh no Anthony is a dick that is unattractive too
I'm going to be dead honest and say i think season 1 feels like soft p*rn. season 2 has a slow burn and much more interpersonal drama, so I agree it's far superior as a romance
I swear you are almost on every comment section of the video essays i watch
my goodness The Dom, you british *insert boastful compliment here*, when might we expect a Lost in Adaptation for Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, my good man!
YES PLEASE
OMG, YES!
YAAAASSSS
wow she really did do the same exact plot. them getting married after being caught would’ve just been boring i’m glad they went with the love triangle
At the end of Season 3, let's just it becomes pretty clear why they decided to skip the third book. And in a similar way, there's a VERY interesting alteration to Francesca's upcoming story. I'm all for both.
True! I'd also say those developments make it clear that Benedicts season 2 arc was maybe less pointless than Dom currently thinks it was...
my friend was just talking to me about how she didn't like what they did to francesca because [SPOILER] [SPOILER] [SPOILER] francesca's book is about going through grief and learning to love again and that's incompatible with her loving her husband's cousin while he's alive. I think that's an interesting point. although, as a queer person, I do like that they moved on from the queerbaiting and we have 2 LGBT+ bridgerton siblings now. but then I have to argue with myself here because I feel like season 3 has not had the same care as the other seasons writing-wise (and costume-wise) and I think that might have to do with netflix trying to sabotage the show on purpose. I remember hearing in a video essay (and I hate that I can't find the source) that netflix prefers making shows with few seasons so that they don't have to pay aditional work benefits to showrunners and staff, which usually has to happen around season 5 if i'm not mistaken. also, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think shondaland would nail a homoromantic relationship on screen even if they tried their hardest, and I just argued why I think they won't really try at all. so I don't think we have much to look forward to
@@d.o.m.i.I agree with everything you said, but I think Francesca's story can still work. Attraction isn't love, and she loves John, at least that's the way I see it (even though her face after the kiss was... Interesting, to say the least). And she can fall in love with Michaela after (not sure how her name is written)
@@lvk2353 It's similar to how I saw some fans complaining that Jessica in Dune Part 1 was too emotional but when you've seen part 2, it makes more sense as it highlights the contrast to the colder and manipulative character she becomes as the story goes on.
Thank uou for highlighting that Asian (western asian) minitories are higher percentage in UK to Black minorities. Loved the representation the Sharmas brought.
I also don't like the enemies to lovers trope very much, but I have to admit that it kind of worked for me in this case, which is largely due to the actors' INSANE chemistry. Decidedly not a fan of the love triangle though, what they both do to Edwina is really messed up.
Honestly the complete lack of awareness or incorporation of the actual relations between Britain and India at the time have me questioning whether the show's alternate history approach went into overdrive here and India is simply not a colony at all. I just cannot think of any other explanation for the utter lack of any tension or ill will between the English and Indian characters. And well, after magically ending racism a few decades earlier, I guess it would be pretty difficult to sustain an imperialist system dependent on viewing other peoples as inherently lesser to justify what's being done to them.
Also your Lady Featherington at 20:00 is SO funny 😂😂
11:00 "Ahyee!" had me rolling.
Posh Pain!
The way you acted out her biting his leg... and it was actually in the book!?😂😂😂
Okay i kinda want to read this now.
Man, this show casts some astonishingly attractive people. Kate's actress is smoldering.
"Throw a like at your boy" - as you command!
I think it is clear that this shows doesnt pretend to be historically accurate at all. Looking at wardrobe, music, relationships between characters and many things it is a fantasy world.
Small point to the whole “the show is just funnier.” I read a article about season 4 and what they had to say about Penelope and Colin was “I’m excited for them to just be massive nerds sitting at the edge of the ballroom watching everything that’s is going on.”
Which I think is both really sweet, and gives opportunity for some good jokes. Especially cause the lead may be Eloise (might also be Benedict) and I can already imagen her being annoyed at the people reducing her to her marriage prospects, and judging her because “it’s her third season, and she isn’t married yet.” And using Colin and Penelope for support, who can then tell charming tales of why her critics needs to get of their high horses.
that's adorable and i'd love to watch that. did you actually watch season 3? i other opinions on your comment but i don't wanna spoil anything
@@d.o.m.i. I did yeah. And it’s part of what I find sweet about them standing alone to the side and just observing everyone. It’s shows he has accepted Whistledown as a part of her, and now sees the strength in her observations. Although I think he will also pull it in a less…destructive direction.
Penelope talked briefly in season 3 about “giving a voice to the voiceless.” Through Wistledown, so maybe Colin will encourage her to lean more into that, rather than just town gossip. Which would also fit with Eloise and her fight for equality. Since giving the voiceless a voice, is an important step to obtaining equality. Although this may be more my own wishes more to then the show runners. Idk.
In a funny coincidence pertaining to roughly 6 minutes in, I've read exactly one (1) Julia Quinn novel in my life, that was primarily about a relationship with little to no drama, where the two leads liked each other from the get go, and built each other up by being supportive, which led to them falling in love.
Now I wanna know the title! Which one?
@@icanbwatevai1ab '12 things I Love About
You.' I read it when I was 24, so just watch me misremember the whole plot lol.
@@haleyzwaal4183 isn’t that the one where the male lead is a Gothic novel writer? I think he was called Sebastian Grey, and since I follow Julia Quinn on social media, I vaguely remember her making a joke about how this was “not *that* Mr. Grey” or something like that, when Fifty Shades blew up.
I binged all 3 seasons over a week leading my parents to come up with the nickname “Bingerton”.
One version of enemies-to-lovers I really like is specifically characters who are on opposing sides develop feelings for each other.
Dom really has acquired quite the collection of dresses
For a breather, try Dante’s Inferno versus the contemporary comedy Bedazzled. Elizabeth Hurley as the devil and Branden Frazier as the male protagonist.
Of course that was a remake of an early movie with British double act Peter Cook+ Dudley Moore.
@@jamesatkinsonjaI still remember the nun storyline and the Devil showing how boring it is to be a cheerleader for a narcissist.
Let's assume in the Netflix Bridgerton series India either didn't get colonized by England or they did but managed to kick them out a hundred years earlier and remained on good terms?
19:50 You nailed Mrs. Fetherington so well. I'm dying. 😂
*vigorously fans self
As a POC i have 0 issue with race not being a main part of the plot. We don't need to bring up the trauma and history for a fantasy show that has hardly tried to be historically accurate.
We already know the history. The focus is the romance.
“Hi Giles!” Made me so happy 😂
dom choosing to leave the season 3's lia for another time when the second half of season 3 was out not even 2 weeks ago is the biggest f u to youtube's algorhythm i've seen in a while and I have no choice but to stan and offer my engagement even when I forget most complaints I have abt season 3
It’s also much kinder to the people who didn’t have time to watch it immediately! Just a very principled decision in general, good on ya Dom
I feel like the reason Benedict’s character continues to be portrayed as sex-obsessed is because they’re trying not sour the viewers good opinion of him until his season - I actually liked his book the most but it was nothing spectacular, and his bad qualities were definitely more problematic than Anthony but less than Colin (I stopped reading the series after Eloise, couldn’t stand Phillip). I think Jonathan Bailey as Anthony is why S2 worked, he understands the female gaze and has a great sense of humor while being intense at the right moments. Unlike Daphne, Kate has trauma and remembers losing her mother but the show version doesn’t bring up, it’s more about honor for her.
He’s a gay man and I think, on top of his top notch skills as an actor, possibly drew a bit of inspo from the queer experience of desire. The way you’re not supposed to love someone based on social expectations, but can’t help it bc it’s true to your heart.
what a wholesome comments and reply. I completely agree. I also think being attracted to men might give him an advantage of relating better to the viewer and knowing better what we expect from his character
also, the actors in bridgerton carry the story where the writing lacks. the show has outright cringe dialogue and times and the humour is ok, no knee-slapper, but the actors are SO charismatic and talented that they make the show really fun. and i feel luke t is talented as heck too so I hope he brings it when it's benedict's turn
@d.o.m.i. Agreed about this comment thread! I am also extremely hyped for Benedict’s story because of Luke T and also because HOLY HELL PLEASE DON’T STOP THE QUEERING OF BRIDGERTON 😍
@@gateauxq4604 I think for Benedict Sophie will be his beard, she might witness him with a man and instead of saying anything he repays her with his loyalty and vice versa. In the books, they met at a ball when they were younger and years pass before they run into each other at a party where he saved her from being attacked by a man, leading to her and him heading to his cottage and Sophie taking care of Benedict. Just based on how the previous seasons were adapted, I think they might have Sophie stay with Benedict but not to care for him, but to be his muse, to help him reconnect with art and return to painting and then he’ll open up about his sexuality and experiences with her. But I think since Francesca’s Michael is now a Michaela I don’t think they’re going to change Sophie to be a man. Who knows, maybe Sophie and Benedict will have an open relationship 🤔
@@danicee I'd be all for a 3some MMF with Benedict but don't think it'll actually happen
Couldn't really agree less on Colin and Benedict's arcs in season 2 being "superfluous". What, cause they're not related to the main plot? Or cause they're not really "plot advancing" in their own right either? Yeah, it's cause they're pure character work. They're *set-ups* for their main arc in their respective seasons. I think Colin's arc in particular did a wonderful job at diving into his phycology and bond with Penelope to set up season 3. He was the one to expose the new Lord Featherington because he's smart and he loves Penelope a lot and wants to protect her. It was quite a nice follow up to Marina pointing out to him how true of a friend Penelope has been to him.
And how Benedict's arc is somewhat about his own personality, but also contributes a lot to the overall family dynamic being good, opens discussions with Elouise about societal expectations for men especially second sons (first a gay man, a working class, and then an ambitious artist as his paramours), and finally contributes a lot to Anthony's storyline. He's another mistake on Anthony's part to buy his brother a place in the university, but also shows exactly how Anthony loves his family.
Lucky for me I only fell for one of the Common Blunders.
As for the Gazebo... wow I am impressed. One of the previous Bridgeton must have been a fantastically skilled hunter to slay such a fearsome creature.
Even dead, the Gazebo still looked menacing.
I've recommended this before, and I'll probably do it again: Camp Damascus, by none other than Dr. Chuck Tingle!
No enemies to lovers trope, plenty of queer rep, and some demons as a treat!
That book brought a genuine tear to my jaded eye.
Such a weirdly sweet read. Also very short so feels great to finish
never heard of this before but added it to my to-read, thank you!
@@SistersTape you're welcome! Have fun 🥰
Caste is definitely as valid for the grandparents to be prejudiced of, especially since India has in the past had major caste problems. The father being in the working class makes a whole lot of sense, and the Sheffields disowning the mother would be “justified” because he was of a lower status.
"Colin is... also here" I DIED
As someone who DOES like historical romances and the fact that they often come in series, I will say, when they are repetitive with plot beats or relationship beats I do kind of hate it. I complain more about it with the sex scenes (if all your characters have exactly the same kind of sex, it's not important to their character or relationship, so why even show it to us?) but I think with the first two books hitting lots of the same points, I...would not have gotten through to the rest of them. So good job, show!
Dom, honey, do take a break from Bridgerton. I cannot wait to hear your thoughts on S03 and I really hope you will not wait 2 years to share them, but I am in no rush right this second
There are actually historical fiction romance books that do the not-acceptable-today but normal-back-then age gap trope well. Juliet Marillier, one of my all-time favorite authors, writes historical fantasy, mostly based in medieval Ireland and Scotland. Romance plays a large part in her novels, often between teenage girls and men in their early 20s. She writes the romance well enough that it doesn't feel weird or predatory, but rather genuine, heartfelt, and easy to root for, especially considering how quickly people matured in medieval times.
IMO, Marillier's books should be more popular than Julia Quinn's. She knows how to write memorable and shippable characters and doesn't fall into overused tropes like enemies-to-lovers or "I can fix him!"
It was not "normal back then" btw.
Big age gaps, or teenagers forced to be married to adult men and bear children, was something that exclusively happened in certain higher classes, as a way to grab favours, titles or money for the noble family, early and before others. Sometimes they even shipped 9 years old children to their future adult husband, just to be able to claim that spot before other contenders.
Even with that, it was always suggested to not "consume" until a certain age, because back then people knew that teenagers weren't good for pregnancy and had a higher chance of dying.
Commoners and low\working class, which were the absolute majority of any given population, mostly married and conceived in their early twenties or later, to have a better chance at survival for both mother and child. In most european cultures, it was custom to wait until 20, also because the numerous children were used for labour by the family, and it was important to have them work for as long as possible before they had to leave.
Honestly, this was so tropey and I loved it. Every time I watch it, I end up giggling and kicking my feet. It's just so satisfying
I love your nail-polish. It compliments the outfit very well
18:08 this was the one time Anthony shouldn't have listened to Kate. Everything could have been avoided if people listened to Kate earlier!
19:10 yes on the limited Edwina x Friedrich spinoff series !
I've never read the Bridgerton books, I've never watched the series. I have no plans to do either...
But I love these episodes all the same. That pop of the accordian fan in the background was FIRE, Dom! Thank you for all that you do!
Would you also be intrested in doing a lost in adaptation for Outlander. It is a story about time travel 😊
Thiiisss
But the time sink is so much more demanding. I don't know if he would want to.
11:00 you're a comedy genius. That had me on the floor😂😂😂😂😂
I really admire & respect Dom for not sugarcoating the Britisher's cruelty and devastation of India when bringing up the issue of ethnicity change.
I was also glad that I was not the only one who found it weird that how come these Indian women are chilling with the Queen during this time when it is a known fact that Britishers were literally destroying their country?🤔 Or could it be that these Indian women were raised in Britain, so they were oblivious to the situation of India??🤔
3:00: I sense that "B-plot"/"bee plot" is going to confuse me a lot in this video.
I used to love enemies to lovers, but I have to agree that the genre is completely oversaturated at this point. Now I tend to favor rivals or friends to lovers-since I think that the bulk of EtL romances have too much violence in them to be immersive? Bridgerton is a prime example. All the male love interests end up being too violent and aggressive for my tastes
(I could go on a whole rant abt this so I won’t even get started on Sarah J Mass’s writing)
So true!
Damn they really did pull the same story again for Book 2, even down to the bit about having to get married because they accidentally did something sexual and got exposed.
Although trying to suck out bee venom is a lot more stupid.😅
Also do they ever resolve Anthony's weird conviction if dying young?
Like by having him have a near death scare or maybe have him go "I think I'm destined to die soon, but I love you so much that I'm willing to take the risk of loving you." to his wife?
Well, she has a near-death experience and that prompts him to confess his feelings for her. And he kind of gets over his fears. I read some of the book, I wasn't a huge fan. I am not a devoted Bridgerton fan (I like season 2 more than 1), but I think the show made Anthony a more likeable character. TV-version Kate would have never been able to fall in love with book-Anthony, no matter how great he might have been in bed.
I've never read the books or watched the show but as soon as you said "stung by a bee on her chest" i knew their was going to be motorboating
The show missed the only scene I laughed at in the book.
Kate: how would you find him (the missing Newton)
Anthony: easy. Just wait until a random woman screams.
Random woman screaming: ahh.
Anthony: found him.
This fit the tone the show went for.
And it was actually hilarious.
Do see why people wanted the library scene and Kate’s trauma on the show. Both missed opportunities there.
And no edwina hate here. She is one of my favorite characters on the show and gets too much hate. And we should have more kind, gentle, but still strong willed women on screen. And her anger was justified.
Right, okay, less than a minute in and I have one single thought: that nail color looks FABULOUS!
I might've giggled when you said you loved us. I don't know why I strayed from your channel for such a long time but it's good to be back and I enjoy listening to you so much!
I loved how they tweaked Anthony's motivation in the show. It still centers around the death of his father, but it's much more about watching how grief destroyed his mother; the lesson was that love should be avoided at all costs because of the damage it does to everyone in the wake of death. It's a much stronger, clearer motivation than.... thinking he's going to die young, for some random reason? It also sets up the beautiful conversation he has with his mother in the show about love in the shadow of grief. Same behavior between show and book Anthony, but it makes show Anthony much more sympathetic and rational. Season 2 vastly improved the book!
It also helps having a talent of Jonathan Bailey's calibre playing him.
Your nail polish matching your shirt just made my day ❤
Sounds like the book plots over and over are the same (I can fix him) and the season plots are doing the same thing (I must reject the sensible choice for love).
As a person who did a no drama marriage with a sensible choice I am extremely pro everyone doing a Team Jacob and abandoning all love triangles in season 4 (I doubt it 😂)
Book Anthony reminds me of Dennis from It's Always Sunny.
"So, you just assume my sister will accept?"
"Of course she'll accept... because of the implication." Seriously, that went through my mind when you read that part out.
I love Benedict cause he does nothing to move the plot along, hes just wandering around doing whatever he wants
The actress playing Kate is so beautiful
😂😂”Hi Giles!” I yelled something similar when he showed up as I watched!
Maybe consider reading "Just Stab me Now" by Jill Bearup. It has a disdain for the enemies to lovers trope that mirrors yours!
Seconded!
Omg yessssss!!!! Read that book in twenty hours. Had to stop to mother and go to work but otherwise reading around the clock
How did I miss this!! Jill wrote a book???
She’s espoused some transphobic rhetoric in the past so idk about recommending her
@@AngelxSwift Really? Can you elaborate on that?
Thank you! The world building surrounding race is so weird!
To boost the algorithm, I'll go on my rant that as a Black woman who reads romance books, it bugs me to no end that they felt the need to explain the racebending and diversity in the show. Like, we're already suspending disbelief because somehow, the mom AND all 8 Bridgerton children survived to adulthood and not with a single health issue in sight! Not even nearsightedness! But no, instead of going the way of Brandy's Cinderella and blindcasting the B castmates, they added an incredibly clumsy explanation that only draws attention to all of the things they're trying to hide
It seriously bugs me
Agreed, as an Indian woman. It was ok to be "colorblind" in this case as we're already suspending disbelief of men being respectful, women having some more autonomy, everyone's good health, accuracy of costumes/sets etc.
yes thank you dom i am so stoked for this video
So, quick bit of history here! Both the native Indian aristocracy and the British colonial aristocracy cozied up to the British, albeit for different reasons. For the Indian aristocracy, they mostly adapted to the changing power structures as the Mughal empire fell, vying to extract as much power and wealth from the British as possible. That isn't to say that they were happy about the British calling the shots, but they understood that being friendly would allow them to gain power over their own rivals in India, and most of them were willing to play the long game. Add into that the caste system in India being very much enforced and the nobility were hardly concerned about the common person being exploited. In fact, one of the reasons that the British were so effective at being able to control India was this cooperation; compare this to the French colonialization of Vietnam, where the French had four times as many administrators trying to manage Vietnam as the British did administering the entire Indian subcontinent.
Love the video! Will like to say the creator of the show has mentioned they are not trying, or wanting to, be historically accurate because they wanted the freedom of making the costumes they wanted and hiering the people they liked. So look at it as a parallel universe where colonization basically never happened the way it did in the real world. They have called it regency fantasy several times in behind the scenes videos.
Launching the book into the stratosphere is how if feel about S3. But on the whole s2 is my favourite season of the show so far, and the comment about not wanting to date penelope comment is actually originally from book 3 but it does also appear in book 4 as well. Also Eloise being ADHD coded af and I love her for it. I'm team give eloise a girlfriend she can solve mysteries with.
Thanks Dom I really appreciate a video from you today (it's been a long one)
Brilliant video Dom!