I want to pick a nit with something K. Asante said while also dropping confetti on his shoulders for mentioning the HotChips 2020 presentation Xbox's engineers gave. Felt like I was the only person that paid attention to that! Ok, so to nitpick that comment tho, they actually said they expected dram costs to keep declining (albeit slowly) and it was the chip fab process more broadly that had inverted the cost curve. It used to be that shrinking the chips meant more fit on a wafer, so fewer of those are needed and costs come down (plus less heating needs due to power efficiency, less weight->cheaper shipping, smaller units->less packaging costs, etc). Xbox was able to dodge the DRAM issue somewhat using their XVA too. Anyhow, what seemingly happened circa 2017 was they found that wafer costs were becoming more expensive due to the complexity of was being etched into them leading to more novel constraints on the material/silicon. Worse yet, yields fell apart when big chips were shrunk too much, making the prices go back up. This also means the bigger the chips are, and the more tightly packed in things are, means for a given die area the costs go way up. Xbone, One X and Series X all have roughly the same die area for their chips but transistor counts went thru the roof (4.4B->6.6B->15.4B in that ~365mm^2 area). There's all sorts of quantum physics issues that start cropping up around the scales these transistor gates are being made at nowadays, and those have to be combatted more and more in the design process. That added complexity leads to those constraints I noted wrt the silicon wafers and how they are prepared for etching. Xbox's engineers explained this (at least at a cursory level) at HotChips. It's why Series S exists. They knew X wouldn't come down in price notably and that meant casuals couldn't be targeted this gen for that machine. Hence they had to target them via a whole new model (Series S), and since you're now committing to two wholly distinct skus you might as well sell both of em outta the gate instead of waiting. Great chat here on the show btw! Hearing the HotChips thing mentioned got me jazzed, lol.
Why, he us right on how beastly the Pro is. You Xbox fans just hate black ppl. That's why no black Xbox person has a big TH-cam channel. Y'all will support broke Dealer who stole the, "tech guy" character from Dee.
@MonsterXero423 no he wasn't. Funny how you Xbox fans all cherr when Xbox fans lie on Sony and fraud and give Phailure Spencer false praise. As soon as am Xbox gut decides to be right and praise Sony there's an issue. Especially if it's a black Xboc fan criticizing the failed Xbox brand. You ppl get on Dee's and Parris's ass hard. You don't call out Jez, Dealer or Rand when they lie many times.
Everborn, have you seen the results of the Firewalk acquisition and the release of Concord by Sony? Have you seen the results of the Bungie acquisition by Sony? Have you seen the results of Playstation pivoting to making a bunch of GaaS games? Mistakes were made... We'll see what happens with Jade Raymond's Fairgame$, because it seems like mistakes are still being made by Sony.
I’m glad you’ve cleared up the 6800 / 4070 situation. I was a little confused when originally DF said a 6800 then on the ign interview said a 4070. This makes sense As for giving the exclusive to cnet and not letting them get into the weeds or give a console to DF has my spidy sense tingling. What are they hiding ??
I want to pick a nit with something K. Asante said while also dropping confetti on his shoulders for mentioning the HotChips 2020 presentation Xbox's engineers gave. Felt like I was the only person that paid attention to that!
Ok, so to nitpick that comment tho, they actually said they expected dram costs to keep declining (albeit slowly) and it was the chip fab process more broadly that had inverted the cost curve. It used to be that shrinking the chips meant more fit on a wafer, so fewer of those are needed and costs come down (plus less heating needs due to power efficiency, less weight->cheaper shipping, smaller units->less packaging costs, etc). Xbox was able to dodge the DRAM issue somewhat using their XVA too.
Anyhow, what seemingly happened circa 2017 was they found that wafer costs were becoming more expensive due to the complexity of was being etched into them leading to more novel constraints on the material/silicon. Worse yet, yields fell apart when big chips were shrunk too much, making the prices go back up. This also means the bigger the chips are, and the more tightly packed in things are, means for a given die area the costs go way up. Xbone, One X and Series X all have roughly the same die area for their chips but transistor counts went thru the roof (4.4B->6.6B->15.4B in that ~365mm^2 area).
There's all sorts of quantum physics issues that start cropping up around the scales these transistor gates are being made at nowadays, and those have to be combatted more and more in the design process. That added complexity leads to those constraints I noted wrt the silicon wafers and how they are prepared for etching.
Xbox's engineers explained this (at least at a cursory level) at HotChips. It's why Series S exists. They knew X wouldn't come down in price notably and that meant casuals couldn't be targeted this gen for that machine. Hence they had to target them via a whole new model (Series S), and since you're now committing to two wholly distinct skus you might as well sell both of em outta the gate instead of waiting. Great chat here on the show btw! Hearing the HotChips thing mentioned got me jazzed, lol.
@@TavishHill a man who appreciates the details. A man after my own heart. 🫡 Great points: and thank you for checking out the show.
Has anyone checked on Dee Batch?
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If you do see him, tell him that no GTA VI will not be running at 60fps on the PS5 Pro
Why, he us right on how beastly the Pro is. You Xbox fans just hate black ppl. That's why no black Xbox person has a big TH-cam channel. Y'all will support broke Dealer who stole the, "tech guy" character from Dee.
Yea, Dee was a little prickly on Fonz's show the other night.😮
@MonsterXero423 no he wasn't. Funny how you Xbox fans all cherr when Xbox fans lie on Sony and fraud and give Phailure Spencer false praise. As soon as am Xbox gut decides to be right and praise Sony there's an issue. Especially if it's a black Xboc fan criticizing the failed Xbox brand. You ppl get on Dee's and Parris's ass hard. You don't call out Jez, Dealer or Rand when they lie many times.
Everborn, have you seen the results of the Firewalk acquisition and the release of Concord by Sony? Have you seen the results of the Bungie acquisition by Sony? Have you seen the results of Playstation pivoting to making a bunch of GaaS games? Mistakes were made...
We'll see what happens with Jade Raymond's Fairgame$, because it seems like mistakes are still being made by Sony.
I’m glad you’ve cleared up the 6800 / 4070 situation.
I was a little confused when originally DF said a 6800 then on the ign interview said a 4070. This makes sense
As for giving the exclusive to cnet and not letting them get into the weeds or give a console to DF has my spidy sense tingling. What are they hiding ??
A grand gets you a decent PC with a 7700xt
PC exclusives are factual trash tho. Why you PC cheerleaders dodge that fact?