$600 Super Clone SCARY Close to Rolex GMT Master II
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In this video I compare a Rolex GMT Master II to a fake super clone of the same model type family. We dive into the inside of the watch too to see where the corners are really cut.
Disclaimer: Don't buy fake watches - when buying such a watch, you are supporting criminal enterprises. You're also lying to not only everyone around you, but also yourself. If you can't justify spending that much money on a real Rolex watch there are plenty of other watches I cover on this channel like Casio, Hamilton, Luminox, Tissot, Seiko, and many more that offer far better quality for less than $600.
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Ways To Spot
1. The finishing level on the lugs and the bezel itself is not at the same level. They look like rapid and rushed brushings rather than beveling that's been carefully considered for its aesthetics.
2. The rehaut with the engraved above the dial is too far to the right and doesn't align properly and the cut out words are too wide and roughly cut (though the last part is hard to notice without a loupe and the real Rolex nearby.
3. The crown wobbles as you try to turn it. I'm not sure what exactly they got wrong on the tolerances here. Granted, I've had the same feeling on vintage Rolex's, so it's not entirely uncommon, but it does raise some red flags.
4. The movement feels gritty when turned. Granted, it feels quite close to the real rolex, but just not quite there. The extra feeling of sand in the movement is subtle, but there. When you overwind the watch, it also has a clicking feeling, as if the mainspring is not wanting to slip inside the barrel or as though the mainspring barrel outer wall wasn't oiled well enough to allow the mainspring to slip. This function of slipping is in all automatic watches and requires the proper lubrication to avoid damaging the mainspring.
5. The bezel feeling is not there. Originally, the watch was very gritty to turn and didn't feel right at all, but it's worn down. The fake now is still off and still has some feeling of metal on metal resistance, while the real Rolex feels very smooth and perfect.
6. Inside the watch, the balance wheel is not a free sprung balance, the caliber inside is incorrect for the reference this is trying to clone, and it is filled with hairs, dust, and marring on the bridges and screw heads. Overall the inside is cobbled together and functions, but just barely.
7. The date wheel has text that is too bold compared to the real Rolex.
Let me know if you see any others I missed!
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Please ignore all the comments proclaiming how great any dealer of this stuff is. The comments here discussing a place to purchase is a bot. I’ve tried to remove comments, but TH-cam only lets you do them one at a time, so I’ve spent several hours doing this, but I can’t police these indefinitely. I’ll spend a couple hours doing it and then the next day 50 will be posted in the span of 5 minutes.
Thanks! I don’t suggest anyone buy any fake watches, especially based on a bot comment.
it’s sad how you spend your time making these videos and instead of getting feedback and regular comments, you just get spammed by these bots. i hope youtube does something about it
Is there any way to filter comments? If so just ban people from saying "swissarex"
@cionide if you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough
@@isaacs4050 unfortunately no. There are no options other than remove or report each comment at a time
@@creedstump0662 Appreciate it and I ageee! fingers crossed!
There are rumors that igrotum has the Rolex database of serial numbers and sells replicas with the same serial numbers as the originals
When you say super clone, it better be Swiss-made. Only Ziarex delivers that level of perfection.
Ziarex is a scam site. Just incase you didn't realise these are spambot accounts.
Lol this bot chat is hilarious
fake site, upvoted by bots, careful fellas
@PatriciaWilson-zy3prhaha nope
Clearly whoever made this comment most likely is affiliated with Ziarex
I smell a rat
Mega-clone sellers like ziarex must be in jail because they sell watches with identical serial numbers as original watches, which is illegal.
I hate mega-clone replica sellers.
I can't buy not even in dream☺
Top, manda o pix! 🇧🇷💸
I tried many, but those guys are no joke, they sell something that you cannot buy anywhere else.
impressive
primerolexio has best rreeps
What page?
You’re a breathe of fresh air in the watch community. You know your stuff but you’re not gatekeeping or acting over the top “upper echelon”. You admire the watches and talk about them simply. The right type of watch nerd 👌🏿
It also shows that maybe rolex watches and other brands don't need to be this expensive
Yup. 60% air in prices just for rich dumb*sses who will pay anyways.
Ofcourse they dont. A rolex is 500 bucks. The rest of the 25 grand you pay is just because you like to get fucked from behind.
It’s a status symbol ultimately
Chasing status is a sign of impoverished thinking
They weren't until Japan mastered the quartz movement and started mass production of wristwatches, so the European brands moved up the status ladder. Same thing with German cars.
I am a watchmaker here in the UK and I've been paid good sums of money to put genuine balance bridges on fake watches to make them look no different to reps, as well as rehaut polishing, repolishing movements, replacing plates etc on movements to make them look more real, it's fascinating.
Where is the best place in UK to get hold of a super clone and best replicas???
yeah sure you can make it more believable but you cant make the rest of the finish on the movement or the rest of the watch be perfect. If you're spending so much to make a fake look real like even using some genuine parts then you really need to start questioning what you're doing because at the end of the day, it's still a fake.
I hope you're not denying service for those people. I have a VSF 116610ln replica . It's so spot on that genuine parts are interchangeable. I'm slowly buying used genuine parts and putting them in like tge dial, hands, crown, bezel. Eventually make my way to the bracelet and movment. Just takes time . Its a project for me
Contact?
So you work for frauds, scammers & criminals it what your saying?
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How quickly my watch from swissarex came astounded me. It was safely wrapped and had a genuine appearance.
Your mom had a genuine appearance when I was done with her
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The timepieces of swissarex are of excellent quality. You wouldn't know they weren't the real deal.
so you're telling me unless I put me eye right on the finishing of the bezel you can hardly tell....LMAO that's pretty hilarious
Although I was apprehensive, I decided to give swissarex a try after reading customer evaluations. Glad I did, too!
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I enjoyed every second. Please keep it coming.Thank you for another great video brother
Pretty good comparison. I'd be interested in other rolex model fake vs real videos.
"If I'm gonna have to look at a watch with a microscope to tell the difference between a $15000 watch and a $500 one; I am always going to buy the $500."
😎
Thank you for your candid, yet simple explanations
That basically shows that the costs of materials, production, shipping, etc is 500$ or less. The rest is "prestige", "heritage" and the other fancy words people invent for marketing.
The difference between a real and a fake watch is the person wearing it, yes if you see did caprio using a fake rolex, it automatically becomes real for the majority of people.
Chad "ochocinco" Johnson, is that you?
I service and repair these replicas all the time. Cleaning the movement and using quality oil/grease makes a huge difference in the feel of winding and setting. Plus, they keep accurate time. The one you have is of good quality but there are better ones that are in the $1200 range which would be considered a super clone. You should get one of those and do the comparison.
Would love to send mine over for your treatment.
How accurate are they? That’s what I always wonder. Aesthetically seems they get it right but can they keep +2-2 / day?
If so, that’s mighty impressive
@@Superdada Swiss clone movement with a service, absolutely.
Correct, I trade watches and have handled a number of super clone pepsi and gmt2s. Without a trained watchmakers eye and tools u won't be able to tell the difference. Especially between the replicas from Clean factory with 3135 movement. That only begs a question whether the cost of a 10k watch is justified.
@@sociaaljessie5431 and think of those who paid 2x retail price for one.
I suppose it begs the question of are rolex pieces artwork/jewelry or tools. There are many who can copy famous paintings of Rembrandt, Picasso, Monet... etc. But you still will end up with a copy. However, if we want to classify rolex as objects of function (tools), than ya, doesn't make any sense to pay 10k when 1k can do it.
Today's high end replicas are almost impossible to tell from the outside. In fact, in Asia, no one would believe you are wearing the real thing because there are so many clones out there.
So that means it's pretty safe to walk around with a true Rolex there? 😀
even the Chinese movements can run at 0-1 spd as the real deal. So why spend so much for the real deal if all you want is a great watch? Some today do not have the funds we have as well. Let them enjoy the design and move on, I say.
@@clark3830 I couldn't agree more. There is a difference between fakes and replicas. Fakes are cheaply made with a logo. Replicas are 1 to 1 copy of a genuine. It's like a same product being made by different manufacturer. Don't get me wrong. I love genuine watches' quality and craftmanship but they are just way overpriced.
@@LEORedSun they ain’t over priced for long or short term investors. Look at retail prices to secondhand… I’ve been on the waiting list 3 years for a couple of watches lol I don’t know why I bothered. Anyway if it’s bought to wear as fashion/designer buy super clone, if it’s for an investment buy genuine. They won’t feel different from one or other if you buy a correct super clone even professionals have struggled telling the fakes to the real ones
@@patricj951 If you're in Hong Kong or Thailand someplace wearing your sub with New Balances with a Hawaiian shirt with a professional female of dubious age on your arm, yeah people will think it's fake.
Everybody already know American boomer man hide all him money in RV and stock market, lah.
If the fake is so close it makes you wonder why the original costs 20 times more
Rolex force people buy fake with his retarded lists...
Is craftsmanship and prestige
They both took craftsmanship and prestige. The mistakes on the fake can be fixed for 100$. That still leave a 10k difference. Your paying specifically for the name Rolex because fakes are 95% spot on. And that last 5% isn’t work 10k
the movement....
For $600 odd the clones are absolutely amazing. I know, I have the Starbucks Sub and am totally knocked out by how good it is. Of course the fakers cannot copy the engraving because they have no idea what Rolex exactly do and what machines they have but that's just splitting hairs. I bought mine because I was fed up wasting years asking ADs if I could beg them to let me buy a real one.
The irony is that recently I went through the whole process again with some emails to ADs asking if I could perform a sex act on them to get a real Rolex expecting to be rebuffed or ignored and then my phone rang. It was an AD who very nicely told me that she can get me what I want if I could visit their store. I have arranged a visit for two weeks time so will be excited to see what she says. I have no previous relationship with them so maybe stock is coming in faster and they know they need new customers.
Super video n many thanks for educating us all. Have you got videos on Omega fake/real comparisons as well???
4:25 loosening and tightening the screws does not change the weight. After all, the weight is still the same. What it changes is the moment of inertia, which alters the rate at which the balance spins.
i'm glad someone else caught that
Although you explained it better, I think that’s what he was trying to say bud - more weight at one end changes the moment of inertia
But I didn’t see a curb regulator in the video that he was describing as fake.
I wonder if anyone has ever got a job in a watch retailer, purchased a few superclones for the really high-end ones, then swapped them and left a few months later. On the event that someone eventually found out, finding the CCTV evidence would be impossible.
They would be caught pretty quick. High end watch boutiques don’t mess around.
I'm going to be honest, I would rather have the super clone for $600 bucks and keep the $10,900 in my pocket from Rolex,
Do you realize that your $600 replica will break and become worthless while you’re $11,000 would turn into 17 overnight?
This clone is so dirty inside that it will need a service very soon. What do you think the watchmaker who has to do the service is going to tell you? For 600 bucks you can find some really fine watches and very good hommage watches worth the money.
@@davidkaplan5517 So what you are saying is that every rolex you buy today you can sell it for a $6,000 dollar profit 24 hours later? Come on Dave if that was true nobody would have a job we would all be dealing in rolex watches, LOL, Its your lie i will sit back and let you tell it as i polish my $600 replica watch and keep my $11 grand in the bank, especially in this market.
@@charleskoerkel4312 I paid the full price and it was worth 23 to sell now it’s 17 so I get to enjoy it for free and unload it whenever I want.
@@davidkaplan5517 Im just going by what you said, And if what you say is true, why dont you buy 10 watches a month and 24 hours later sell it for a 6 or $7000 dollar profit, Thats a possible profit of $70,000 a month correct? im just going by what you said?
The Oyster and the easy tell is @ 1:12. Rolex will always line it's letters to the minute marks on the inner ring. You can see the Jubilee version Rolex does not line up such.
I got it from the bezel as he mentioned, plus where the color change takes place on the 18 and 6. Then really knew when I saw the rehaut misalignment on the same one.
HAHA At around 7:09. he says "being crazy enough to buy ..." which is the biggest "tell"! I personally do not see a problem owning a clone, mainly because as soon as you own either a real or fake, you'll admire it and simply go on to another thing to buy ...
Guessed it was the Jubilee but it was just the feeling something was off, it’s scary how much close up attention it takes. Always compare wearing a fake Rolex to wearing a wig
I think it's the glare that make you feel that way.. I also thought one of them looked cheaper and after some thinking i realised it was the anti-reflective coating being better on one of them..
except when you get mugged you wont be crying about the cost too much
@@davemitchell3998 with any luck the mugger will be shot and his survivors will be the one's crying.
Feel like I’m at an eye exam for the first part lol
Great job. Well-presented and fair.
As a fellow watch nut, I am glad I found your channel. Nicely done, not too much fluff and right to the point. Looking forward to more videos.
I only buy from swissarex
Bought dozens of high-end watches online from private sellers. Never had any issues with authenticity or fraud. People in Switzerland are just extremely honest. 😅
The offline rehaut on the jubilee was a more obvious tell. But an offline rehaut can happen on a gen too.
Great video, really enjoyed it.
Where did you order this from? I want to know which website to avoid..
“For research purposes “ 😂😂😂
nobody knows apperently
I didn't think I would spot it however a thing that made me spot it was the offset of the ROLEX laser markings inside of the dial as well as the weird finish on the actual steel.
same, i noticed that as well
Great production thank you
What gave the fake away for me was the misalignment of the ROLEX letters with the minute indices at 1:15. Notice how they are perfectly aligned and finished at 1:13
Same for me. I noticed the misalignment too, therefore I knew the jubilee was the fake.
I bought a Rolex 126610 clone, in Thailand, just to see how it compares. Despite the details you are mentioning, it is scary close to the real thing, even Water proof 300 but it runs 20 seconds fast a day but could be regulated. I use to be able to pick out a fake from across the room but with this one on someone's wrist, there is no way to tell for sure without holding it and using a loop. They even gave me a card of authentic with it that is also looks scare close to legit. I terrified to see how good they are going to get in five years. Moral of the story is don't buy a Rolex without a third party verification because it's getting easier to get duked on a fake Rolex when you are thinking of buying the real one on the grey market.
if its that close then it makes sense to just buy a fake. Take the extra money and invest it elsewhere. Rolex's are way overpriced anyways
Just buy the reps. You get the real rep while you can get duped trying to get the real one plus rolex ad is an asshole. They just wanna sell to scalpers trying to hoard to get that middlemen money
i wouldnt trust a clones water proof rating. Not more to wash your hands with. They will tell you themselves not to submerge them. 20 seconds a day sounds like a bad clone to be honest. My datejust rep is +/- 7 seconds. And my daytona rep runs +/- 12 s.
Does the place where you bought it have a website
@@sebastianzalamea2284 sorry, no
You have just shown where the super clone makers need to up their game and they will.
Lol..they will never!!
@@psidhu1979 why wouldn't they every one is about clout these days why would you spend 20k on a watch when you can spend 600 to a 1k on the same watch and 99 percent of people will never know the difference
@@kronickingpin Not the point. As he said in the video, it's how YOU feel about wearing a clone.
Oh they could make an 1:1 clone but they rather dripfeed you with small upgrades, thats how they make their money.
If they make it "perfect" from the start they cant upsell you more reps.
Really good stuff thank you
I have owned a Rolex Oyster Submariner for thirty years. Wife bought it from a very reputable jeweler. You are correct it was a celebration of a career milestone.Serviced and appraised several times, no purchase regret. It has appreciated 400% and is the only jewelry I wear (not even a wedding ring for me because I work with power tools).
@WristSwap There are "frankenclones" that use genuine parts. Like the dial, hands, bezel insert or entire bezel, crystal, balance wheel. The movements are taken apart and finished down much better. You'll pay a couple thousand for one, obviously due to the genuine parts. But without something like a microscope you are not going to tell the difference. That's the scary part about buying second hand. There are no "tells" left. My genuine 116610LN isn't perfect either. The rehaut engraving is not perfectly centered and the bezel does not stop perfectly at 12 o'clock. Rolex has their own set of tolerance deviations that they consider acceptable. That being said I have an $800 CF/VSF mash up replica of a 126610LN that I wear when traveling. The guy that services all of my watches gave it a good servicing when I received it. Even he was impressed with the quality, fit and finish while knowing it was fake. Funny enough the cloned movement keeps time better than my genuine.
considering the current advancements in rep tech, if you had a chance to go back would you have still gotten your gen 116610LN?
@@TheSAMTHOO Yes.
My favorite thing to do with clones that you cannot do with genuine, is make them one of a kind custom pieces of art. The awesome part about clones is you can take dials that don't go with stainless steel and bezels that are only on precious metal models or bracelet swaps, painting hands, all kinds of mods where as doing so to your genuine will devalue it.
The magnifier on the crystal is the giveaway for me almost every time lol. Centering is always the main tell
Immediately subscribed to your channel! Managed to pick up a Rolex GMT Master II from a reseller. Should I get RSC to open the back case to verify the movement ?
Maybe dont..seen someone pay €250,000 for what they thought was a genuine ..it wasnt !!
I like your take on not having the same feeling when you wear the fake. I’ve contemplated these “super clones” and now after hearing you say that, I know I’m all set.
all set to buy one?? haha, I mean personally I would buy some super clones and keep the real at home because crime rate is getting crazy that I am scared to wear my watch out about
Great video - clear and succinct, without the hype. Best explanation I've seen so far about why fakes are not worth buying. Thanks!
But there are good reasons to buy a fake as well. If I ever got a fake, I would tell others it's a fake. I'm not rich, so I would never pretend I am rich. The only way I would get a real Rolex is if I had top 2% net worth or more. If you don't have at least $2 million of DISPOSABLE income, why would you want to buy a watch that cost $20K? Even a bad employee of an Authrorized dealer can swap out the movement and give you a fake. So in my humble opinion, in order to be able to AFFORD a real Rolex, you have to have enough money to where even if someone robbed you or swapped out your movement....that you wouldn't care. I know many will disagree, but that's what I think. In the meantime, a $300 Seiko is probably more than I will ever need.
It seems like this shows the real one isn't worth buying for 20x as much money. It's not 20x better.
Thanks for the great vid. I guessed it was the oyster. The cyclops looked a bit off.
Great video. I’m not very knowledgeable about Rolex but I’d like to see a comparison after wearing these on a regular basis after 10 years. I’m guessing the quality of materials used will start to show the differences more.
At $15000+ for the gen and $600 for the replica is this even a discussion?
Really, everyone can find $600, not true of $10k+, that's a whole chunk of money.
Funny enough… during the first close up pictures… I liked the fake one in every photo. 😬
All i have to do is look at the crystal and rehaut engraving. Takes 20 secs for me. If its a franken watch i might have to go a bit deeper. But its pretty easy once you know.
Thanks for the tips. I'm gonna get a clone now.
I own three authentic Rolies bought from an AD in my area! They verbally promised me a Panda six and a half year ago ago and here I am without one still. I am thinking about getting a fake one from CF and wear it until can get a real one from an AD!
Six years ago you coulda bought it grey market for near retail 😂
stop exposing the factory names. if they go down, its cause of yall
…what does CF stand for
Cool, story…. But where can I buy that super clone?! Thanks.
@@johnnyg419 not telling u. to risky
A lot of bots here shilling 'swissarex' and pretending to be genuine reviews 🤬It's most likely a scam, beware!
Taken from the description: "Don't buy fake watches - when buying such a watch, you are supporting criminal enterprises. You're also lying to not only everyone around you, but also yourself."
I like how you describe the feeling of wearing a fake watch, spot on!!!
I've Also purchased a superclone since the original one isn't available. Waiting for almost 4 years to get the original one. Hope they can deliver soon.
Currently in Turkey and out of pure interest hunted around for the not so illusive “Super Clone” watches. Lucky enough to have a couple of real mid range watches (£5-£8k) and so asked to see the model I own and was blown away how accurate they are. As most say it was only the mechanicals / winding of the movement that gave it away. But stood up to the eye inspection. They were “asking” €1,400 and didn’t negotiate as not interested but felt that was going to be the price. For something that could stop working anytime you’d be better saving another €600-€800 and buying a Tudor or similar. The shop and range of watches they had was on par with Geneva airport or high end Jewelers which I suppose is intended to give you the feeling of purchasing a quality item. Bottom line is as in the review final comments. You will fool others, no doubt, but you want fool yourself into that feeling you’ve “earned” it and the reward that comes with it.
No doubt the same watch they were asking €1400 for would be half the cost or less when purchased from China (NOT from “swissarex” or whatever scam site the bots are promoting at the moment)
i would feel better about wearing a clone which could be stolen than an actual rolex.
Funny guys says you earned it. Just like Debeers convincing only diamond shows how much somebody loves you. The smartest guy would by a high end super clone use the difference to something more honorable with the difference. CHARITY,perhaps someone in need. The fact Rolex has done this on purpose.limiting supply to AD who sell to flippers who inflate prices upward 500%
Tudor all the way. A masterpiece of a watch without paying for all the hype.
@@Big_Sierra too bad great watch with a permanent Walmart Rolex appeal.
I feel lucky and blessed with a fake one for a fraction of the price.
The engraving on the rehaut is a massive giveaway
Just from the pics I preferred the case finish of the fake. The sharper lug and bevel edges looked cleaner and neater.
Great video. The fake is scary close to the real one.
I would agree
I bought my fake 5 years ago it is insane, still working Im going to pools, saunas, gym watch is still working perfectly. The best part is I never got busted even tho my friends were original watches they never find out that mine is fake to this day.
damn that is sad tbh, not sad because its a fake but sad that you didnt tell your friends it was fake
Where’d you buy from 👀
Lol, and you're so proud that you bought that fake watch. Imagine if I bought a $600 Tissot, and say, "omg it's insane, the watch is still working!!" Do you also put 4 fake exhaust pipes at the back of your car and stuff your underpants with a sock?
Not really a watch guy but these videos are incredibly interesting ....might be a watch guy if i keep watching these
It's such a fascinating topic especially with the Rolex brand. I mean the physical object almost takes second place to everything else that is attached to it. That's a luxury manufacturers business model. And then people make a business out of copying that physical object. And other people try to convince themselves that the faked physical object is enough and that it's as good as the real thing because it's only a watch.
swissarex is est dealer for replica watches
Scam
Terrific insights. Thanks
I’d like to see the DHgate $80 watch next to these too
If you have the Pepsi, the easiest way to find out if it’s genuine is to light the bezel with a UV lamp … if the bezel turns completely red… you got the genuine 👌🏻 that’s what amazes me for the Pepsi bezel
Thanks for letting the replica makers their next goal to make them better.
@@snyperghost2262 they can’t afford and they can’t replicated it - no worries
That's a great note. Never heard that!
@@impexRQ Well the Chinese are persistent and wouldn't be surprised if they eventually make a perfect clone in the future, given the evolution of fakes over the last 20 to 30 years.
I recently saw something on TH-cam where a watch collector bought a super clone of watches that he actually owned the real model of, his reasoning was that he didn’t worry about theft or damage. Interesting perspective, still don’t think it’d be for me.
To me, clones are about posing, pretending to the world that you can afford something you can’t. That just screams insecurity. There are a lot of great watches available under$1K, with lots of brand history and wonderful movements, far better to buy one of those and celebrate it.
i can afford just about any watch in the world. But i prefer to invest my money in the market and other high interest areas rather then a watch.. I am seriously considering buying a clone, just because i do like the looks of a few high end watches out there. Im just struggling with the fact of feeling like a poser 😂
If your real secure and money wise then youd buy a super clone and invest your money in some business. If rolex is your business then youd get the real ones and if you have so much extra then get the real ones. I mean if your 458ferrari rich get the reps 😂 if your bugatti chiron rich then youd get real rolex plus some ap and pateks. But its never about faking people around you bec who does that? 😂
@xwristswap Ok, Thanks. How do I get the giveaway package?
You can buy a $10K-$20K watch working as a waiter if it's your goal in life. You don't need to be a billionaire to piss away your money on stupid purchases. I can afford a Rolex but I'll rock a replica all day, let my money work in the market instead of being parked on my wrist doing jack shit.
@@ijl1i sure just about anyone can buy one if they make it their goal, but there’s a big difference between being able to buy one and really being able to afford one.
The inside side wall where rolex is engraved gave it away for me it looks more ruff than the other one and the lettering is off as well
You nailed it with the "amplification" statement. I have an authentic 16710 and was considering selling and getting a 136660. I worked really hard to buy that gmt so I wanted to make sure I was making the right choice before selling. So I got a "super clone" deepsea to live with it for a while. It is a nice watch but it's not the same. In the end I kept the GMT. I really like the deepsea and it looks fine on my larger wrist but I don't want to give up my GMT yet and I can't justify 2 watches with cost.
All this pluggng of Swissarex makes me think that this is a marketing ploy; good job Swissarex.
To everyone saying they bought watches from Swissarex, isn't what they're doing illegal?
Swissarex is a scam. They are botting comments and likes to drive in customers. Probably pulling in tens of thousands from their comments on this video.
those are bots. its probably a scam site and they flood watche's video comment section with bots praising themselves.just marketing. horribly annoying marketing but enough to get 1 or 2 guys
Hello! I need a stem for my fake with the 3186 movement. Jeweler says it needs to be a .55 stem. Thanks
BRO the rehaut is off on my real GMT too now its making me question everything!!! Is that possible?
The question is how good the clone is for the money. I think that with regularly services and good treatment this could easily last for 20-30 years. And that feeling you mentioned is just a ego boost.
Apart from the problem that no reputable watchmaker would ever service a fake watch, the problem is simply that they took a movement apart to rebuild it to replicate an other movement. The parts, even if assembled in an equal matter, are not built for the design / purpose of the movement. You would also need to refinish a lot of the parts because the whole concept of a watch is friction based and the finishing you saw here would just hinder that. You could make it run for years but for the amount of hassle, why not just buy a seiko or citizen and have that for 20 years? Why buy the replica of something that is redundant in the first place other than to be a luxury good.
@@Arseization I knew a dude that got a watch from his Dad. Turned out to be a fake. He brought it in to get serviced and that is how he found out. He is still getting it serviced because it was his fathers and his Dad wore it all the time. I dont think they care as long as you are paying my good person.
@@Arseization To be fair, you could buy a whole new rep for the service costs of a gen.
truth right there 🙏@@TheCameltotem
@@Arseization You ask the real question. Why people dont buy cheaper watches or micro brands that have insane value for money, and if they really want the rolex looks there are tons of real watch brands that makes homages. But no, and its simple, people try to lie for themselves and justify buying a replica "its good value for money, real product is overpriced!!"but they just want it because it is rolex with all its demand, status, recognition that comes with it.
I 100% gonna buy the fake one if i had the money but I don’t.
That’s why I’m wearing Casio Solar powered and Citizen Eco drive watches because I don’t need to worry about replacing batteries ever again.
I’m in the military right now and I need rugged watches that can withstand to any harsh conditions and locations that we are going through plus they are very affordable.
If you check the date font, you will see the difference without opening the watch :)
Right you are!
The only replica watches in comparison videos are the low to mid ones, the chances that there has not been a steady and controlled supply of perfect replicas entering the gray market for quite some time, seems likely to be wishful thinking.
I think Rolex has begun trying to weed them out with the new certified pre-owned program.
I didn’t know how high end they go. I’d have to research that more it seems
@@HarrisonElmore Which factory made the one in the video? Clean Factory has the best ones and, within the next few weeks, VSF will come out with their even more improved version.
@@Omega08082 I've also heard of a BT factory? There's also people taking these super clone cases and putting authentic Rolex parts in them making it even harder to tell.
I continue to avoid gen for rep. My AD literally wont take my money and i refuse to pay 17k for an 11k watch.. so screw em, i buy a super clone (top tip vsf make the best sub clones currently) and i can enjoy the look of the watch and if it gets robbed, i get the last laugh
@@polygoncoco better than buying the gen watch and getting robbed
@@polygoncoco look how offended you are that i have a rep 😆
@@polygoncoco not that youll believe me but im in a position to buy a handful of hulks, ad wont sell me one and now they are double the cost, i dont need to impress anyone with a watch, a 10k watch is not that impressive to me, but i like the hulk, so i got one from china. I like it, it looks great and is an interesting conversation in the 19th hole. I could drive almost any car in the world if in wanted, i dont, i drive an old merc. Showing wealth is crass. Its the bastion of people who like branded clothing and gold chains. Only someone without money trying their hardest to look like they do have money would care.. No thanks
@@polygoncoco or the best of both. I like the sub or a pres, i have other watches but i like the look of the hulk specifically. I dont think its possible to buy a gen £500 watch thats close to my superclone fir the same money
That's incredible. When I was looking I thought for sure the "oyster" was the fake!
I have one of these, and a genuine 2008 sub, and the rep surprisingly keeps better time. My sub has run about 4mins fast per month since I bought it. At least it's consistently incorrect though 😂.
I was able to pick it out from the small details. That aside, I agree. When you buy one of these fakes no matter how good it is, even if you fool others you know you are always lying to yourself. You will never have the same feeling, never be able to sell, trade or pass it down. If you cannot afford the real thing (new or pre owned) right now, buy something cheaper that is real, there are tons of fantastic watches out there, until you can. Make it your goal and when you achieve it you will feel incredible that you were able to reach that goal, you will be proud of it and yourself every time you look at it, wear it or show it off.
Agreed. Couldn’t have said it better myself
This is true. Otherwise, why not use your cell phone which is even better for keeping time? People don't buy watches to get the time anymore. When you buy a great watch like a Rolex or a Patek, it's your way of telling others, "I have more money than you probably do." That's why I don't own a fake. Actually, I don't own a real Rolex either. Why? Because I am not rich so there is no need for me to pretend I'm rich.
Even if you had 25k to spend on a watch at 25 years old or around you would be smart to put it in the stock market for 35 years and around 2 million in the bank lol. I'll take the fake .
I knew personally the fake was the Jubilee bracelet watch because the moment you showed the rehaut with the ROLEX lettering off centre from the markers I put my house on it being the moody one. They don’t seem at the moment to be able to perfect that from what I’ve seen of replicas.
I've seen some are more accurate than this, but the engraving quality is still not the same
There are cheaper fakes where the rehaut on the inner bezel is almost indistinguishable, but lacking in some other areas.
The different factories have their different priorities, the best super clones come from the middle men who combine the different parts
This could be just because the person who assembled the watch was careless to allign the rehaut to the dial marking or the dial is not properly aligned to the movement. I'm no expert but I believe if the movement screws get loose and the the movement gets slightly rotated, both may align.
@@juniortoledo8088 Yeah the whole dial printing is shifted actually. If you look at the "Swiss Made" it's too low. The guy who bought this example didn't QC well enough, would have been an RL for me at least.
Yep. The first three things I always check is the rehaut alignment, the date wheel alignment, the bezel insert paint.
The best tell is looking at them from far. The genuine overall glares more from distance
"Amplification" is a great word for that feeling.
So I'm guessing this isn't a VS or Clean factory clone? B/c the VS and esp. the Clean should be closer than that on the inside, almost indistinguishable. But those should run closer to $1500 USD. Anyway, just give them some more time. They're making the fakes better and better every day. Hard to part with over ten Gs when you can get 99.9999% the same thing for a tenth of that.
@xwristswap Okay. Cool
Clean GMT master ii is like 500-600, no ides where you’re seeing $1500
As someone who owns Rolex I feel kind of ripped off considering factories can put this kind of quality out for so much less... Very torn right now
@@scottyee707 enjoy your rollie bro, reps are really accurate nowadays but at the end of they are still reps. You can enjoy both
@@scottyee707 I would too. As stated above in my comment, these fakes are 99.9% exact copies, and some of them I've seen under the microscope appear to have better polishing and fit and finish than the real ones!
The fakes are definitely getting better and better & eventually you won’t be able tell the difference between them! (I remember when you paid £50 down the market! ............I can’t wait to see a really good R.Mille become available)💯
You can still get £50 fakes out there completely obvious
I'd say since almost no one would know what it was or has ever seen an actual one no one will ever know. If your lifestyle lines up for RM then no one will question it. The tell on those is you don't have the money for it.
Great video brother. I definitely went off of the date window. But, i appreciate you taking the time to educate us all. Its unreal. Thank you.
Would love to see more. Specially subs and datejusts since those are the most common sellers
The only dead giveaway was rolex R on the rehaut on the Batgirl. If not for that, I would not have been able to tell. Crazy how close the reps can be.
The biggest scam of them all, now, is selling $30 fakes for $600 super clones.
You won't be sorry for looking at swissarex for their selection of imitation watches.
What surprises me is that the counterfeiters can make a watch at such a low price and yet the genuine manufacturers still don’t want to drop their prices down because they claim they can’t make the watch at a low price so really at the end of the day, who is ripping off who
Corporations
The other way to tell for the purposes of this video is that the crown in between Swiss and made is likely on the fake because you bought it recently for this video vs. the 116710 that has likely been in your collection for a while
How do you feel about the quality of the clone. In my experience every clone has been not worth it that I have handled. By that I simply mean for the same amount you used to purchase the clone you could spend that same amount or less and gotten a better watch. Clones are really big right now and been surprised by the number of people coming to there defenses stating how good they are for the money.
well r u buying the cheap fakes or higher end ones such as the one in the video?
@@appleman29 You asking me? I do not buy fakes, because what I have found as you basically are getting a crappy product.
As I have been hearing more and more vocal people in the community talking about how good Chinese reps have gotten and things like it is 97% the same as gen, I decided to really find out for myself. I can tell you right now it being anywhere near actually being the same as a gen is a load of crap. I am interested to find out if they actually are good for the money and offer the same or more for there respective dollar amount versus another watch cheap but good non rep watch.
So I did a bunch of research and bought what I could find as the best or one of the best reps out of the box. I’ll let you know how I feel when I get it if you want to hear.
@@tacomn who else was i asking.... yes you lmfao.
in terms of looks, yes they are about 95% there however, with the movement, def not on par with gen quality. These fake manufactures care about the looks and not the movement. Tbf, some reps do have good quality movements and if serviced, they tend to run well.
Living in South Africa, which has one of the highest crime rates in the world, wearing my Rolex watch out in public makes me feel very at risk and potentially targetted by anyone walking past me, makes me paranoid, we have a gang here that's called the Rolex gang which have been responsible for killing, following, hijacking and shooting multiple people just to take the watch of their wrist, and in most cases it happens in the middle of the day in public areas and they usually escape being caught by the police as they are often slow to respond and dont really look into it once they arive on scene, so buying a high end replica Rolex that I can wear just as I would my real Rolex is a great option, they look and feel so real I can enjoy looking at them as I would my genuine ones and if I do get mugged or heald at gun point I can without hesitation hand over my replica knowing I can always get another one and that my genuines are safe and far from the action in a lovely vault. People hate on replicas but in alot of places nowadays it's the smart thing to wear if you like wearing your watches
The Rolex gang must use some pretty advanced tech to spot a high-end replica on your wrist from a distance and leave you alone. Be sure to keep those slightly thicker indices clearly visible, so they do not shoot such a remarkably intelligent individual as you clearly are.
Edit: Oh, I see now (I did not read you comment to the end at first), the gang only shoots people who refuse to hand over the watch. And according to your logic, members of a Rolex gang always ask people to hand over their watches and of course you assume that a Rolex owner values his watch more than his life, so he will not give the watch to the robbers and all victims are therefore just stubborn and reckless people.
You do not have to explain. Just tell me, do you actually believe that you will fool someone, besides children, that you, with your intellect, have a real Rolex? :) If you are really that wealthy, then it must be parents money or a lottery or I do not know...
If my hobby threatened my everyday life I'd compromise too. I'd be wearing a Casio.