The ProAcs had the best combination of qualities followed by the B&W a little way behind here for me are the Focals. The better the electronics the better the ProAcs sing.
Recently i heard bw 800 series floorstanding in treated room with mc intocsh preamp and mc intosch amp , they are really balanced , spark but not fatigue ..
The levels of the recordings are differet, making the evaluation harder. BW are the livelier ones. The Focals areetye most neutral. The Proacs are between, not too colored, not too cold.
Out of the 3 spks, i like Proac best. The B&W seems least transparent. The Focal has good clarity but lacks a bit of bass. And the Mac is better than the marantz of cos. Cleaner, richer, bigger soundstage & more transparent. Maybe u can compare the latest B&W 705 S3 with the proac. When i compared my cm6 S2 with 805 D2 i also found the 805d2 less transparent & open & smaller soundstage. The 805D3 is a different animal altogether.
I just came back to this test after my first comments 2 months ago. My opinion on the speakers are very much comnfirmed. By listening again, its just as clear that the Focal trail the B&W with the Proac putting clear distance to the B&W the Focals are out of their depth when matched against the Proacs. It is interesting and surprising that the Marantz runs the much more expensive Mackintosh so close.
Interesting insight and agree on the Proacs. I imagine the McIntosh might have its hands full dealing with still the best integrated amp ever made (PM-11S2), as demo's on my system here: th-cam.com/video/at8oFv3tvJA/w-d-xo.html
Jestem od kilkunastu lat posiadaczem kolumn ProAc. Model D2R jest naprawdę świetny. Również Bowes & Wilkins 805 pięknie grają. Znam je doskonale. Obecnie mam D Forty R a miałem D48R. Moim zdaniem podstawkowe D2R są wybitne, ale wymagają dużo przestrzeni, bardzo stabilnych podstawek (standów wypełnionych piaskiem) oraz podłączenia kablami głośnikowymi w układzie single be wire. Ten model kolumn podstawkowych swoją przestrzenią i dynamiką nie ustępuje wcale wielu zestawom kolumn podłogowych.
tutti quelli che dicono che proac sono superiori non capiscono nulla, cosi' come quelli che dicono che le bew sono supeiori. Non esite il migliore, dipende dai gusti, la chiarezza, l estensione, la pulizia del suono delle bew sono spettacolari. Cosi' come la purezza e il piacere d ascolto delle proac. Ma dire che una e' migliore dell'altro significa NON CAPIRE NULLA. A quei livelli ogni azienda caraterizza i suoi lavori, in base alla propria filosofia. Una cosa e' certa, la tecnologia della beW e' in costante sviluppo, mentre la PROAC SONO ANNI che campa sugli allori
MA7000, my dream integrated amp in the last 15 years ... but then i woke up and got the Accuphase E-450 along with DAC-50 and still chasing the AD-50 for a "complete-set" Never again will my wallet be emptied by a pair of branded speakers - DIY for life - or as long as my hearing is intact
Comprati (usate si trovano a 100 euro) le AR M1. Sono difficili da reperire ma erano le casse di riferimento di Mark Levinson per provare le sue elettroniche. Il tuo conto in banca sarà salvo. Sentirai...sentirai...Ciao da Roma.
Disagree with all the Proac fans, higher price tag, and longer reputation does not always mean better. In critical listening mode, the B&W ranks first is terms of bass definition, and instrument separation, vocals is on par with Focal. Proac sounds thinner, it lacks the meat and the bass dry (it dissipates in the air). In my listening with Sennheiser earphone, first B&W, second Focal, and Proac third. 4 thumbs up to the person who recorded this, thank YOU. Great job!!!
1 - B&W nitidez e detalhamento, bom grave 2 - Focal médios mais ricos 3 - Proac agudos estreitos e médios mais finos, porém bons graves e definição Marantz - aqui a prova de que sempre buscaram ter uma sonoridade/assinatura próxima dos Mcintosh
Ничего не понравилось.Mcintosh грязный звук.Marantz слишком сочно,надо поменять проходные конденсаторы Elna silmic,а лучше поменять усилитель.Голос самый плохой у Proac,надо фильтр переделать,убрать под,ем верхней середины и высоких частот,тогда будет более правильно, и то с фазоинвертором все плохо
Nie można bezpośrednio podłączyć laptopa cyfrowo przez USB do analogowego wzmacniacza. Robi się to poprzez przetwornik cyfrowo analogowy (widać go na zdjęciach) z gniazdem USB Audio a z niego analogowymi kablami (RCA lub XLR) przesyła się sygnał do wzmacniacza. Polecam użycie dobrego przetwornika i kabla USB. Oba te elementy odgrywają zasadniczą rolę przy odtwarzaniu muzyki z laptopa. Odtwarzanie muzyki z laptopa nie jest zbyt wygodne dlatego na dalszym rozwoju systemu audio polecam zakup dobrego odtwarzacza sieciowego.
Unfortunately, revealing speakers often also “reveal” too much sibilance, which I personally can’t stand. It’s not necessarily the speaker’s fault alone; the mastering process and a lack of the reproduction component synergy (which balancing of takes money, time, and effort) can easily contribute to it. Matching the playback system to the speaker is a real goal, and using one system for different speakers may not be optimal. Proac, traditionally considered “bright” in some systems, does an excellent job here of mitigating the sibilance. Frankly, as auditioned here, I could not “live” with this particular B&W speaker in one room.
Sorry but terrible music/song selection for comparisons. You really need to change your demo music bro. Try Bruce Springsteins "Street of Philadelphia". It has great bass, timing and rhythm, speed and authority of bass and vocal.
ProAc is so boring lol. It's good if u want to hide bad recording, or want to listen in SD instead of HD, then yeah, ProAc it is. But if you want real definition, detail, clarity, Focal or B&W for sure. No contest.
Pensate ai polli che spendono tutti questi soldi per questi apparecchi!!😂😂😂 Mi basta una coppia di ELECTROVOICE amplificate per ascoltare meglio e spendere 5 volte meno !!😂😂😂
Proac just shines. Very nice.
The ProAcs had the best combination of qualities followed by the B&W a little way behind here for me are the Focals. The better the electronics the better the ProAcs sing.
ProAc.. great at all freqiencies..
The clarity with Focal of instruments and voice wins, for me.
Recently i heard bw 800 series floorstanding in treated room with mc intocsh preamp and mc intosch amp , they are really balanced , spark but not fatigue ..
ProAc!!!
Thanks you
The levels of the recordings are differet, making the evaluation harder. BW are the livelier ones. The Focals areetye most neutral. The Proacs are between, not too colored, not too cold.
1. Focal: least expensive, dynamic, balanced
2. B&W: most expensive, warm, comfortable for ears
3. Proac: flat
flat for music studio is good 👍
1. Focal- bright, good separation, somewhat harsh.
2. B&W- Warm but muddled mid range.
3. ProAc- balanced, warm, good separation (Marantz)
3b ProAC- incredible soundstage but less detailed (Macintosh)
Great test, thanks. Very tough to choose.
Thank you!
Proac without a doubt! 😋
Proac for sure.
For the value of 1,200 Euros, this Marantz PM-8006 is an excellent value for money. Though I'd still rather spend 2,500 Euros on the Marantz Model 30.
the McIntosh is a dream.
Incroyables Proac 🎉👏👏
Out of the 3 spks, i like Proac best. The B&W seems least transparent. The Focal has good clarity but lacks a bit of bass. And the Mac is better than the marantz of cos. Cleaner, richer, bigger soundstage & more transparent. Maybe u can compare the latest B&W 705 S3 with the proac. When i compared my cm6 S2 with 805 D2 i also found the 805d2 less transparent & open & smaller soundstage. The 805D3 is a different animal altogether.
thanks a lot for your feedbacks.
Male voice grows in quality as the test progresses and so does the rest of the sound. Proac takes it.
I just came back to this test after my first comments 2 months ago. My opinion on the speakers are very much comnfirmed. By listening again, its just as clear that the Focal trail the B&W with the Proac putting clear distance to the B&W the Focals are out of their depth when matched against the Proacs. It is interesting and surprising that the Marantz runs the much more expensive Mackintosh so close.
Interesting insight and agree on the Proacs. I imagine the McIntosh might have its hands full dealing with still the best integrated amp ever made (PM-11S2), as demo's on my system here: th-cam.com/video/at8oFv3tvJA/w-d-xo.html
#1 Proac
#2 B&W
#3 Focal
Focal 👍🏆
Jestem od kilkunastu lat posiadaczem kolumn ProAc. Model D2R jest naprawdę świetny. Również Bowes & Wilkins 805 pięknie grają. Znam je doskonale. Obecnie mam D Forty R a miałem D48R. Moim zdaniem podstawkowe D2R są wybitne, ale wymagają dużo przestrzeni, bardzo stabilnych podstawek (standów wypełnionych piaskiem) oraz podłączenia kablami głośnikowymi w układzie single be wire. Ten model kolumn podstawkowych swoją przestrzenią i dynamiką nie ustępuje wcale wielu zestawom kolumn podłogowych.
Clearly can hear it's thin wall cabinets.
proac super
most people here preferred the proac , for me the b&w is weightier and more articulate , the proac sounded lean to me .
I Thought b&w were great but these PROACS ARE AMAZING with MARANTZ ❤❤
I liked ProAc's sound performance more than B&W.😊
Betting on ProAc
I partner my Marantz with a pair of Wharfdale Evo 4.2 . Excellent combo in my opinion.
Are these speakers and the Marantz burned in? How many hours do they and the cables have on them please?
Proac....focal.....b&w But all of them sound very good.
B & W...❤
1 Proac, 2 B&W, 3 Focal. Solamente il suono delle Proac è ben riprodotto dalle mie AR M1, gli altri abbinamenti sono molto inferiori. Ciao da Roma.
The Proac are deeper reaching but somehow sound imbalanced sucked out in the upper bass lower mids. Focal for me in this lot. Thanks.
tutti quelli che dicono che proac sono superiori non capiscono nulla, cosi' come quelli che dicono che le bew sono supeiori. Non esite il migliore, dipende dai gusti, la chiarezza, l estensione, la pulizia del suono delle bew sono spettacolari. Cosi' come la purezza e il piacere d ascolto delle proac. Ma dire che una e' migliore dell'altro significa NON CAPIRE NULLA. A quei livelli ogni azienda caraterizza i suoi lavori, in base alla propria filosofia. Una cosa e' certa, la tecnologia della beW e' in costante sviluppo, mentre la PROAC SONO ANNI che campa sugli allori
D2R😊
MA7000, my dream integrated amp in the last 15 years ... but then i woke up and got the Accuphase E-450 along with DAC-50 and still chasing the AD-50 for a "complete-set"
Never again will my wallet be emptied by a pair of branded speakers - DIY for life - or as long as my hearing is intact
Comprati (usate si trovano a 100 euro) le AR M1. Sono difficili da reperire ma erano le casse di riferimento di Mark Levinson per provare le sue elettroniche. Il tuo conto in banca sarà salvo. Sentirai...sentirai...Ciao da Roma.
Disagree with all the Proac fans, higher price tag, and longer reputation does not always mean better. In critical listening mode, the B&W ranks first is terms of bass definition, and instrument separation, vocals is on par with Focal. Proac sounds thinner, it lacks the meat and the bass dry (it dissipates in the air). In my listening with Sennheiser earphone, first B&W, second Focal, and Proac third. 4 thumbs up to the person who recorded this, thank YOU. Great job!!!
Que lindo suena por dios
Pro ac nr1
proac les plus equilibré douce
j aime les bw
I prefer the bowers here
1 - B&W nitidez e detalhamento, bom grave
2 - Focal médios mais ricos
3 - Proac agudos estreitos e médios mais finos, porém bons graves e definição
Marantz - aqui a prova de que sempre buscaram ter uma sonoridade/assinatura próxima dos Mcintosh
Thank you
Ничего не понравилось.Mcintosh грязный звук.Marantz слишком сочно,надо поменять проходные конденсаторы Elna silmic,а лучше поменять усилитель.Голос самый плохой у Proac,надо фильтр переделать,убрать под,ем верхней середины и высоких частот,тогда будет более правильно, и то с фазоинвертором все плохо
How do you connect your laptop to the PM8006. I realize it doesn't have digital inputs so would like to know how you did it!
Nie można bezpośrednio podłączyć laptopa cyfrowo przez USB do analogowego wzmacniacza. Robi się to poprzez przetwornik cyfrowo analogowy (widać go na zdjęciach) z gniazdem USB Audio a z niego analogowymi kablami (RCA lub XLR) przesyła się sygnał do wzmacniacza. Polecam użycie dobrego przetwornika i kabla USB. Oba te elementy odgrywają zasadniczą rolę przy odtwarzaniu muzyki z laptopa. Odtwarzanie muzyki z laptopa nie jest zbyt wygodne dlatego na dalszym rozwoju systemu audio polecam zakup dobrego odtwarzacza sieciowego.
Audirvana is Great.
The B&W are too boomy in this room location
Good! 👍
focal 1500 euros, B&W 4500 EUROS, PROAC D2R 5000 euros😀
Focal
ProAc...B&W...Focal..respectively...
You can clearly hear what all B&W speakers suffer from: notes last way too long. You hear the speaker, not the music.
This type of music is not great for testing the quality of speakers. Play some dynamic fusion jazz music with fast bass and guitars.
ProAc for me please
ProAc ....
Unfortunately, revealing speakers often also “reveal” too much sibilance, which I personally can’t stand. It’s not necessarily the speaker’s fault alone; the mastering process and a lack of the reproduction component synergy (which balancing of takes money, time, and effort) can easily contribute to it. Matching the playback system to the speaker is a real goal, and using one system for different speakers may not be optimal. Proac, traditionally considered “bright” in some systems, does an excellent job here of mitigating the sibilance. Frankly, as auditioned here, I could not “live” with this particular B&W speaker in one room.
This shows clearly that 805D sucks 😅😅😅
Sorry but terrible music/song selection for comparisons.
You really need to change your demo music bro.
Try Bruce Springsteins "Street of Philadelphia". It has great bass, timing and rhythm, speed and authority of bass and vocal.
ProAc is so boring lol. It's good if u want to hide bad recording, or want to listen in SD instead of HD, then yeah, ProAc it is. But if you want real definition, detail, clarity, Focal or B&W for sure. No contest.
Ni idea
Pensate ai polli che spendono tutti questi soldi per questi apparecchi!!😂😂😂
Mi basta una coppia di ELECTROVOICE amplificate per ascoltare meglio e spendere 5 volte meno !!😂😂😂
The musics awful and too obscure