Installing Dynatrac Rebuild able Ball Joints, and Double Shear Steering for Ford Dana 60
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- This week I am getting the shop truck ready for the annual trip to Easter Jeep Safari and before I hit the road I have a few items to take care of. I need to rebuild the steering, and I am planning on testing the Dynatrac Rebuild able Ball Joints during this years trip.
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Gotta love the sheeple.
Ian, I have always enjoyed your honest approach. It’s easy to be sponsored and say everything is awesome. It’s another to tell the truth about what you use and recommend
You are so behind the times, terrible video work from such a smart guy 😮
Awesome episode Ian, can’t wait to see how the rebuildable ball joints hold up and really that’s the only way to give an honest review, thanks for doing that! Your episodes are always the best and I enjoy the different projects that you’ve built and really love the look of this Jeep truck!
Very cool! And I would love to see a turbo 400 build!
Thanks for sharing your time and talent. Thanks for bringing us along in your shop while you do this. It was fun
I have uniball UCAs from Total Chaos on my Tundra I like the fact of more flex and and if something fails its still held together.
The fancy word you where looking for was "Ball Joint Orifice" 😁
Just came across this channel as a youtube suggestion. Good to see you still at it. Went through my highschool years watching you on tv. Kinda lost track between tv show changes, channel changes by our provider, kinda stopped watching tv and so on. Its almost like some weird family reunion coming across this video lol
Great explanation...love a good family meetup
I thoroughly enjoyed this one. Thank you for taking the time to bring us along.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great job 👍👍
Always enjoy watching. Thanks for sharing.
Good job, liking the content
Keep up the awesome work I've followed your work from extreme 4x4 to present your awsome bro
Awesome! Shop truck is my favorite rig of yours.
Wow amazing man keep up the great builds man I’ve been working so hard trying to get a head to build up our 4Runner slowly but surely that’s for sure
Found u man. Miss watching your videos. Had some down time with the snow. Great videos.
Thanks 👍
Where's your new shop located?
Found you. Not too far from my Cousin place.
Love it! Perfect timing...I need to do ball joints and histeer on my build as well.
A little trick I use to keep the raw steel patina and keep it from rusting, I spray it with matte clear. Looks raw and rich with out the glossy wet look.
Cheers!
Honestly i love our Dynatrac ball joints they are great on our 37s in our JK
i want to meet who ever installed the lift kit in Ians hair lol. Love the show, and Ian is my go to four-wheeler how to guy
I think it's the only lift he installs every day. My question is does it get done on days when there is no filming?
L.a. looks....styling gel....h.d.......or 80w 140 depending on wind velocity😁🤓🤠🤣😁😆😁✌
Suggestion for installing the ball joint. If you put dry ice in alcohol and then submerge the ball joint in the mix and wait for it to stop boiling then it will be about -200 degrees. Not as cold as liquid nitrogen but a whole lot more accessible and a bit cheaper.
That is a great idea......I will try that
Replaced the factory ball joints on an 06 Ram 2500 with Dynatrac joints many years ago before I had my shop. Did in the the driveway and boy did it kick my butt. After watching you having difficulty with the install I don't feel quite as bad. The factory's were shot at 50k and the truck now has over 300k all of which has been on 37s and still no play to speak off. I don't know that I am ever going to get to try out the rebuild feature.
TL;DR: you need the nylon piece.
The nylon part in a ball joint is nylon because it is not load bearing. If you are putting load above the small preload that it generates on the nylon upon installation, that means your are bending the c’s. This is why most cars have a telescoping upper ball joint. This application uses a nylon insert to crush to account for the tolerance stack up of the c’s and knuckles. If you were to manufacture a knuckle that precision matches up with the c, it would be costly.
A ball and socket is actually stronger than the uniball. The ball and socket distributes the load over a larger surface area meaning it takes more force to yield the material. However, as previously stated, the nylon piece allows axial compliance, and the ball is not actually touching on all sides, and is in a line-load scenario meaning the outer circumference of the ball is the only part in contact, meaning that in this specific use case, the uniball has an advantage in that it actually has more surface area.
However, the majority of ball joint upgrades ignore a extremely important fact. They all overconstrain the axle’s c. If you don’t have the nylon piece, you are bending your c’s when you install the knuckle because there is not axial any compliance in the assembly. Axles are designed with manufacturing tolerances embedded in the design with correct degrees of freedom such that parts fit together. If the knuckle is too tall it won’t fit, so it’s made shorter and the upper ball joint has compliance in the axial direction such that it can be assembled. When you don’t have this compliance, you are putting the c’s in a loading scenario they were never designed for. They are designed for bending loads, and when you add in compression and bending together, it results in a second order moment which is a fairly different use case compared to their original design intent and could lead to early failure. You are basically trading a small amount of surface area in the ball joint for over constraining the c in compression.
A actual fix to the root cause would be to stop the c’s from flexing which would cause the nylon piece to stop failing. That’s the root cause. Upgraded ball joints are a band aid.
Throw the ball joints in the freezer for a couple days before you do the job, or toss them in a bucket of dry ice.
Would really like your opinion and a video comparison between the dyna trac and EMF balljoints. I juat put new joints in my dodge and already wish i juat spent the money on great ones. Kryptonite joints are getting tested now.
QUESTION: What are you usually watching on your phone while filming? I always see it playing in the background. Keep up the amazing content!
No 9 to 5 for this guy!
Great show sir . Always informative and entertaining. I bet your kids loved your classes when you were teaching. I'm really looking forward to more on the 68 Jeepster. I have a 67 that I'm doing a new frame on and want to see more about how and what you are doing ? Please show more of that project? And are there other places that you are showing that project that I can go to follow it? I'm going to use a 4 BT NV4500/205 with 60s. What are your opinions on shortening them to avoid the roller skate tires out of the fender look ? I'm going with 35 BFGs. Any ideas or advice is always welcome please sir? Keep the great content coming please. Wish we could see more.
What mad scientist craziness is happening with the Smart Car??
Any tips on rear seal for 4L80e to Dana 300 with Advance Adaptor. The tail on the Tranny is not sealed. This blows thru the Dana seals
Ian, I have a project I want built. Coming from Canada, you'll understand it. I have a 66 chevy C60 cab and hood and fenders. I want to 4 wheel drive it. Behind the cab will go a logging grapple and stablizing legs. This on the rear of the frame. Also, a headache rack has to be built for the grapple. I figured a diesel with an allison transmission. What axles and transfercase, would you recommend ? This will be used to pull a trailer of logs.
Hey, Ian, of all the various brake sponsors you've had, which products do you recommend?
I’m confused. I thought I watched a video where you mentioned you were pulling the pin on 4 wheeler TV? Either way I like 4 wheeler so win win. Thanks for the video. 👍
Nope love making FourWheeler for Motortrend
Q&A Question. Seems like the topic of Coilovers Vs ORI struts is about as controversial as the tire brand debate. I know vehicle type and use obviously make all the difference but that being said what are your thoughts on running ORIs vs coilovers on a mainly east coast wheeling Jeep? Especially seeing them on rigs at KOH, will you ever use ORI or have you in the past? Thanks!!!
Hey Ian love the content very informative I was just wondering how the internal beadlocks held up on the Suburban Gorilla project and what happened to it
If i recall that project was sold a number of years ago and possibly wrecked some time after. But chalk that up as rumor and not fact unless someone else comfirms cause my memory is really fuzzy on it.
I talk about it on one of my QandA videos
Can you talk toe out vs. tow in? Is it different for rock crawling vs over landing? I feel like I can find articles that argue each side.
So I know you are making these out of steel tubing. My question, Is what is more preferred in a daily that is taking crawling steel or aluminum?
Ian, I love your shop. Recently built something a little smaller in AL. I noticed you don't have any insulation. (at least it appears that way). How do you keep it cool during those humid TN summers?
Nope I have AMAZING insulation....I have 6" of insulation in the walls....and 10" in the ceiling
Funny how different my 1985 Dana60's look then these ones. Kinda the same too.?
Toe out instead of toe in? This the second time I have heard someone prefer toe out instead with bigger tires. On a rig the is duel purpose ( still sees highway) is that still the case? I'm intrigued as toe in seems to be the rule of thumb. Thanks for all the great content.
Minor toe out helps the vehicle track a little better....and in the dirt it helps out a lot!!!!
Ian - I note that you shop truck has a radius-arm front suspension. What are the factors to consider when weighing your options fir a radius arm versus a three link. Do you have experience with the Metalcloak lock’n’load radius arm system?
I'm guessing Dynatrac sponsored, but you should really check out American Iron Offroad's balljoint deletes.
Ian, I am looking to add hydro assist steering on my fj40 build. I am running an fj80 axle and I am fighting for space. The drag link is behind the axle and steer arm is in front. Can i connect the assist ram to the main steering arm from the gear box or should I attach it to the drag link?
I know you take shop truck all over. Its my favorite rig. Curious if you’ve ever said what headlights you use or if anyone knows? Recommend?
They are from Truck Light
Q1: No lube for Knuckle holes or ball joint when pressing back in? heat is better?
Q2: When welding those knuckle extentions, your going from plate steel to a casted stock knuckle? If so, would the heat be totally different for each material? When i tried to MIG a crack shut on a casted exhaust manifold it just kept eating wire, looked like it was just melting into the casting.
Cool Show! I watch religiously, your shop would be a dream!
Subscribed and Belled. #thumbsup
There really isn't any place for Lube.....the original ball joints had some striation reliefs cut into them...the Dynatracs do not.
An exhaust manifold is made from Cast Iron.....knuckles are made from Cast Steel....two very different materials. you have to know what you are welding before you start welding
I discussed this with a few welder friends, but then saw this. No pre-heat for the cast steel knuckles prior to welding? Due to the thickness difference, I've been told preheating is necessary. Artec agrees. Yes, I've welded cast iron and steel to mild. Just asking another welder.
I have done it both ways TBH....with a multiple pass I am essentially preheating it with the initial pass.....the cover then eats in really well to the cast
You are always building the TH400 transmissions. Why don't you use the TH350? the TH350 has a better 1st gear ration and is still a pretty strong unit. Since I'm commenting... why don't you bring that shop truck up to the Bantam Jeep Heritage Festival. I manage the trails there and would love to see you there.
I know the 350 is a good trans....but the 400 is better in so many ways..
I've been wanting to build a 4x4 similar to the shop truck, but I don't know where to find the cab or the bed.
Aqualu industries...its sold under their "Hard Bodies" brand
👍🏽🇺🇸👍🏽
I thought normally people want a little toe in like an 1/8th with big tires? Is the toe in just for something that goes on the road some or can someone elaborate? I need to set up my alignment and stuff soon running 37s with a dana 60 and hydro assist on a cherokee. I did a little bit of googling a while ago and im pretty sure that i came up with an 1/8th of toe in is the normal? Ive always done a little toe in i think. Im very curious to hear opinions on this i like hearing what other people do and why.
Hey Ian, on the Dana 60 are you running the seal that goes being the unibearing? The vacuum seal? I ask because I need to do my balljoints, going to do the bearings at the same time and I know my seals are torn. I have mile marker hubs and my 60 is under a TJ so I don’t think I need them just want to be sure.
No...I don't use that seal
@@BigTireGarage perfect. Thank you for the quick reply man!
Why did you go with Dyna-Trac instead of EMF ball joints??
my radiator just split should i upgrade to the all aluminum version is it worth it 98 XJ with 222k on it
No,go oem.
Do you know of a ball joint press with more throat capacity? It looked like you struggled fitting the whole stack up in the press and I also have the problem.
I have a love hate relationship with the ball joint press...when it works it works great....but getting the correct stack is a pain in the ass
What is the smart car in the shop for?
Watch FourWheeler to find out
Coming to gamble?
What size heims do you use for steering?
3/4" shank with a 3/4" bolt
Ian, as I get older I find my eyesight deteriorating. My arms are still long enough for reading materials but welding is a challenge. Do you use combination reading/safety eyewear - is there a particular type/brand you would recommend for close in work.
I buy cheap throwaway ones off Amazon...I have different strengths for different types of welding
What brakes are you running on the shop truck?
Powerstop
What do you watch on your phone while you work? I do the same with my phone while I work HA
Bunch of stuff....gold rush, MotorTrend eps...
Please don't recommend use of old bearings in press/ punch configuration.
Best regards from Norwegian mecanic with a splinter from a shattered bearing bowl nicely placed deep in my left eye...
Safety glasses?
Most of the ball joint failures I’ve seen are axle joint failing and pressing the ball joint out.
True....that is a common JK/JL failure....the one tons don't really have that issue as much
@@BigTireGarage XJ, TJ… Saw a rig do it with a ULtimate D60 on UA vids. Popped my not a one ton problem bubble.
What?!?! No “off camera elf’s “ to do your welding and dirty work?
Needs more V8 tacoma.
Waiting on an oil pan
@@BigTireGarage I hope UPS Santa Clause shows up soon 🙏
29:30 that not a E clip. Its a Jesus clip. A jesus christ I lost the Son of a b***h clip 😂😂
I used to call them "wheee" clips....because they fly across the shop like "whee I am out of here"
What is the NOT so smart car doing in the shop...Cummins swap?
who doesn't want a lifted Smart Car
why is there always movies playing on your phone when your obviously not watching them ?
I let TV shows play in the background while working...when I run out of Podcasts
Why are they wearing mask?🤨
Still scared of COVID.
Hahaha
I was painting
Even if he wasn't painting, they can wear a mask anywhere they want.
Just started to follow, then saw the mask twins,unfollowing as soon as I post this😮
They were wearing masks because we were painting in the shop.
Why on earth are you lifting things 3 feet up before you remove the tires? Work smarter not harder.
How I have always done it.....less bending over...I am old....
Cut the hair
You are not a hedge hog.
Nope...and what!!! How do you know I am not a Hedgehog
Guessing you have a bald spot...or balding
Haha that's a good one no but I am just about completely gray
These stupid lasercut LOOGOS!
This time with sharp edges: So IF this fails/brakes it will surely be at the sharp edges of that thing. Wahtever this is.
I really dont get that. And I see that a lot! you can cut a groove in it... but CUT through material which is supposed to be constructive? Dumb idea.
Dang you gotta Lotta irons in the fire!
Always
Ackerman? whats that? ah, who cares 😂
Ackerman is not an issue because I am moving both the steering pivots forward that same amount......If I was changing only one pivot point then the ackerman would be adversely effected