Dale Allison was a very humble man, who wore his vast learning lightly. He was a joy to listen to, particularly as he did not have an agenda to push. He gave some cracking insights into the New Testament milieu because the depth of his scholarship was so immense. I love his idea that some scholars and thinkers are 'mutants' as well. To bring in Justin Martyr near the end - that was superb, to try to respond to the question whether Muhammad was a Prophet of God or not.
Muhammad never claim that he was God or something like that. If you read Quran you will find that very clear. Also if you are exposed at least to the most authentic book of his tradition such as the book of Bukari or Muslim, you will see the clear picture about this great Prophet.
@@عبدالرحمنسيفاو-س8س well, I think Muhammad was a religious reformer, and the belief system that developed under his influence was influenced by versions of Christianity and Judaism, current among the Arabian tribesmen in the sixth century. Once the Islamic Empire expanded the Qur'an was created and ways of life codified to hold it together and distinguish Islam from Judaism and Christianity as these peoples became Subjects. Initially there would not have been such a clear distinction. That's what I think history shows about Islamic origins.
@@jamesupton4996 This is very naive thinking. I know why many said such comments. The only reason to say that is because the similarities between the three religions. But if we think objectively, we must know that the source of the three religions is one. Prophet Muhammed wasn't a first Prophet to be sent by Almighty God, there were many Prophets proceeded him. Thus not necessarily to believe that he was just a reformer. Many new concepts and news were mentioned in the Quran not found in the Bible. So how those concepts and news came to him? Try to be objective and think out of the frame you are in.
@@عبدالرحمنسيفاو-س8س offhand I can't think of any new religious concepts in the Qur'an. I can see Jewish and Christian influence, and perhaps different emphases, eg. Rejection of the Trinity, and that one unclear verse about the crucifixion of Jesus. I'm not disputing what we know historically about the origins of Islam, I'm interpreting it as an historical phenomenon, a religious movement, of that time and place and subsequently.
@@jamesupton4996 That is your thinking, however, still that will not change the fact that Islam is not something new but rather it is the religion of all Prophets of God including Jesus. As I said the similarities found in the three religions not necessarily make them copy from each other. Otherwise we can then say even Christianity was copied from Judaism or even from Hinduism since there some similarities between the two creeds !
Wow, Paul what can I say. Its a breath of fresh to air to hear an academic and historian being so honest as this guy is. The problem is and still remains, there is no simple answers for the most fundamental questions in christianity. If this is what it's like speaking to a guy who is more versed than most church pasters in your Neighbourhood and he advised to speak to another 40 learned people of his qualifications and status before making a decision. I can honestly say christianity is an evolution of ideas and none of them know what they are talking about in simple terms.
Brother Paul, I would suggest before anyone reads Dale Allison's book on the resurrection, read the work of Sheik Ahmad Deedat entitled "Who Moved the Stone". The most important takeaway from the resurrection story will be there. No fancy logic-illogical confusion, just simple plain English!
Sheikh Ahmad Deedat was wonderful, may he rest in Allah's Noor. Dale Allison is a world renown Christian Scholar working in a University that trains Priests. If we cite one of these books it will be treated as anti-Christian propaganda by Christians while if the other book is cited then even Christians will have to take notice.
I think Bro Paul try to build a conversation, understanding point of view from Senior Christian Scholar, no intention to debate. Everybody can read any book they want. I watch a lot of Sheikh Dedaat since his CD sales in my country, and watch his UTUbe video. All of this adds to religious knowledge and insight. But dakwah was suite to the era depending on what challenging we face.. Much appreciate for you Bro Nordin
@@mindexcursion9856 I don’t think anyone implied what you are suggesting. Ahmed Deedat’s life’s work basically unpacks all the contradictions in the Gospels including in his book Who moved the stone. One of the comments was asking Paul to point the audience in the direction of Ahmed Deedats book. Atila was responding saying that this could be considered malicious by Christians, so why not point the Christian audience towards Christian scholarly works which achieve the same goal but will have far more credibility with the Christian audience?
@@atilaorhan927 wonderful? He explained the truth!He made comparative religion worth expounding to arrive at the logical state of the prescribed religion for mankind! Can u imagine the priest training more priests with the same doctrine which for us who has the truth is sad because they will be lost in their supposed belief! Sheikh Ahmad Deedat is trying to break that ignorance! The least the scholarly priest can do is be true to himself n his followers to reason n analyse with critical comparison without bias n favour because when truth emerges falsehood is bound to perish!
@@mindexcursion9856 No Deedat didn't have any such knowledge and the reason is simple - the tradition in Islam taken from Surah 4:157 is a complete fabrication, 600 years after the event. If you study Surah 4:157 you will see that there are ZERO details about anything that happened at the crucifixion of Jesus. The following details are conspicuously ABSENT: - who was crucified - when was he crucified - how was he crucified - by whom was he crucified - why was he crucified - how did the Romans not realise it wasn't Jesus? Were they fools or professional crucifiers? - why did Allah deceive Jesus's mother Mary, making her watch her beloved son be tortured to death, while it was only an illusion to make her suffer! - why did Allah tell no one that he was only deceiving them, for 600 years? - why did Allah cause Christianity to be created by causing this illusion, and then afterwards condemning the Christians he had created through his deception? ......the one thing you get from this verse is that whoever wrote it, did NOT know the answers to the above Questions!!!!
Well done Paul, your channel is becoming a serious platform for scholarly conversations. I am sure more and more scholars will accept your invitations and you might eventually end up making programs for television networks. Keep it up. 👍
I believe this conversation directly support what NT Wright believes about Paul and Christian theology. The belief in the resurrection of Jesus changed the meaning and definitions of everything. The scriptures, the Messiah, monotheism, prophecy and eschatology.
Thanks paul to introducing Dale C. Allison. Definitely, I always come to argue in entire life. I don't know anything for certain. I called this life a physical experience.
Back in 1981 my faith in the bible was on shaky ground. Then I took a class with a brilliant young scholar only a few years older than me, Baruch Halpern, a student of Frank Moore Cross. His Introduction to the Old Testament course changed my life and completely renewed my interest in the bible and religious life and study (I was raised Anglican). Although I was unable to pursue my post graduate degrees I kept up my biblical studies and renewed that interest again more seriously in 2014. Dale Allison was one scholar I had to catch up on, and his "Constructing Jesus" was a compelling cover to cover read. I look forward to this conversation.
אלוהי אברהם ומשה אמר בדברים 18:20 שאם מישהו מתנבא בשם אל אחר, זה לא יהוה, הרי הוא צריך להיהרג. האל אללה הוא אל אחר ולהשתחוות לאללה או להתפלל אליו מוגדר עבודת אלילים על ידי אלוהי אברהם ומשה
This was a PHENOMENAL conversation! As someone who has been listening to things like his for some years now, this is perhaps the most insightful discussion I have ever come across with regards to the historical Jesus. Definitely subscribing
Time went so fast, next time do 2 hours. Great interview, specially the cherry on top question about prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
the topic really interesting. Paul thank you for hosting Dr. Allison for this event. I am as a prophet's tradition critic who studies the hadith, I can say that the Islamic methodology of text criticism and chains of narrators is a very unique and effective solution to distinguish between what is really had been said by Prophet and what not. The problem with gospels and others Christian traditions that never had such essential information. Therefore, all stories came down to us are doubtful and cannot be trusted. In case of Islam we luckily got things in place. Since this is the situation there must be a permanent solution for such complicated issue. That solution came from God. It is the last message of God to all mankind. All questions that lurk in minds of people from different cultures and religions had been answered in the most authentic book which is the Quran. I suggest to make it short, just read it with open mind and open heart and you will find the truth. Many thanks for you Paul and your guest Dr. Allison.
I couldn't miss your admiration for Professor Allison. He is a nice man. He made me imagine the 4 writers of the gospels sitting and comparing their books. They will end up fighting together Lol The data is confusing.. another lol An evolution process...He's killing me Sir ,you HAVE TO make this video into shorts.
Thank you so much brother Paul and thank you so much professor Allison. It's really great these videos with those who are educated in their field. It really gives great new perspectives and ways of thinking that the christian world has.
Listened to this again..then I got Dale's book the theological christ. Absolutely brill. Possibly the best I have read on the historical jesus. Loved Dale's answer about muhammad. Bllessing to paul and dale
Paul, I asked for this in the comments of a couple of previous videos of yours but you likely missed it so here it is again... Please make an episode on how you read effectively. You seem to effectively consume an enormous amount of books in a relatively short period of time. How do you do it? How do you approach a new book? What is your mental process? Do you ever read more than one book simultaneously? Or do you focus on one book at a time? Do you take notes throughout? What do you do after you’ve finished reading a book? Do you go over it again? Do you summarise it’s main points? Anything you can share about your process would be fantastic and would help a great deal. Many thanks in advance!!
Tremendous! Thank you. Wow. Arguably, the most knowledgeable historian on the topic of Jesus' resurrection believes that: after his death, the disciples saw Jesus, and Jesus saw the disciples!
I don't know if there really is "the most knowledgeable historian on the topic of Jesus' resurrection" but many scholars do put forth some highly reasonable statements. I like to listen to various scholars. But to comprehend completely the resurrection of Jesus is beyond the finite, limited minds of man. Thanks for sharing.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Yes, scholars like Professor Gary Habermas, Dr Mike Licona, Dr Richard Bauckham, Simon Gathercole, and many others, believe that Jesus was crucified and after the crucifixion, and his death on the cross, finalised by spearing into the chest (which leads to quick death), that Jesus was seen after 3 days of being in the tomb, outside of the tomb appearing to as many as 500 people. There's a simple logic about this and it is this - if Jesus was crucified his followers and disciples would have "come to the end of the road" literally if this was the end of everything! There would be no further followers of Jesus, no 'believers', no Christianity and no Christians - period! It was a shameful humiliating death for their master , teacher and leader! Tacitus the Roman historian captures this historical period in his writing Annals 15:40 when he said that Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate and that ended his following.....but it quickly "broke out again"! Jesus's crucifixion should have been the end of it - but his resurrection appearances meant that Christian beliefs were born and spread rapidly from then on, right into Rome!
@@peaceinjesus5221 also a sideote, there's a reason why jesus was crucified. if they really wanted to kill him, they wouldve cornered him on the streets or even just commit a normal murder. crucifications at that time indicated that the crucified person was cursed, and the jews wanted to prove that this person is not the messiah and therefore inflicted upon him a "cursed death". However in Islam, God is the best of planners and he did not allow that to happen, instead he raised jesus and the jews chose another man amongst them who god made a lookalike of jesus (i also remember something about the curves of the feet of the crucified person and they had some differences from the real jesus)
@@sweetmelon3365 re: "if they really wanted to kill him, they would've cornered him on the streets or even just commit a normal murder." >> well two things here.... a) this was attempted several times unsuccessfully according to the gospels. On at least one occasion, Jesus disappeared out of sight, while they were trying to stone him! On another occasion a mob were seeking to kill him and he walked straight through the middle of them untouched! Apparently it wasn't so easy to kill Jesus at all! - and the reason? Everything was being carefully planned to the moment of his death! In the gospels, everything is happening at EXACTLY THE CORRECT TIME! b) Jesus was not to die by mobs or a murderer, but he had to die by crucifixion EXACTLY as depicted in Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. Everything in Jesus's life was a fulfilment of the Hebrew scriptures, even his death by crucifixion. re: "the crucified person was cursed, and the jews wanted to prove that this person is not the messiah" >> It actually proved the opposite! Why? There are 2 portraits of the Messiah in the Hebrew scriptures: i) Messiah ben David - the Kingly Messiah who will rule the Nations from Jerusalem ii) Messiah ben Yosef - the Suffering Servant Messiah who will suffer and die for the sins of his people - Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 Jesus only fulfilled (ii) the Suffering Servant Messiah, dying for the sins of others, as per Isaiah 53. If Jesus wasn't the King of Israel and he wasn't the Suffering Messiah, then by definition of Scripture, he isn't the Messiah at all and that means the Quran has 11 errors in it stating that Jesus is the Messiah when by Islam's claim, he is not the Messiah because he wasn't crucified. re: "instead he raised jesus and the jews chose another man amongst them who god made a lookalike of jesus" >> You know the problems this idea makes don't you? a) Allah is UNJUST because he made another man suffer the sentence that was passed upon Jesus, when the other man was innocent of the charges of Jesus and was wrongly and unjustly crucified! b) Allah deceived all those witnessing the crucifixion, both those who crucified him and those who wept for Jesus! This means Allah cannot ever be trusted, because he is a deceiver and if he deceived those people, he can deceive even his own followers, the Muslims! c) Allah deceived Jesus's mother Mary and cruelly made here watch her beloved son, being tortured to death on a cross when it wasn't Jesus! Allah never told Mary and Mary went to her grave in sorrows mourning in her sadness and distress! d) Allah deceived all those who watched and believed Jesus was crucified and who became Christians, making them become Christians and Allah made Christianity, knowing what its beliefs and doctrines would be. Later Allah condemned the Christians for being Christian so that he can send them to Hell for Shirk to be roasted over and over with replacement skins for eternity! Bit Allah was the one who caused it all, because he is "the best of planners" and so knew everything beforehand! e) Allah even deceived Jesus's friends who loved Jesus and both Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimethea were fools because they didn't recognise that it wasn't their friend Jesus when they buried him! f) Now because of the Quran's version of the story, the crucifixion makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! Allah is supposed to be "the best of planners" but instead sent Jesus on a failed mission, that nearly got him crucified, so Allah made an innocent man be unjustly crucified instead! Now the Islamic story means that Instead of God planning the crucifixion for the redemption of mankind, Allah planned a mission for Jesus which went wrong and was unsuccesful and Allah bundled and made a complete mess of everything, only just managing to rescue Jesus! What this means is that the crucifixion now makes NO SENSE whatsoever! This means that Allah here not only created deceit, but he created utter confusion and failure!!
@@peaceinjesus5221 when did islam claim him to be the messiah and then not claim him to be the messiah? and no, that guy wasnt innocent, he wanted to kill someone and when he went into the little shelter where the resl jesus was, jesus wasnt to be found, meaning he was raised up. had jesus been there he would've been killed and the guy would've been a murderer. also you talk a lot about innocent suffering for someone else. why does jesus have to suffer for all of mankind's sins? this would make religion pointless from a moral perspective because there's no accountability if jesus is already going to forgive my sins. the justive system doesnt add up. also i didnt mention this, we dont use the bible to prove islam, we uses the bible to prove its own contradictions and the contradictions of the belief of christianity. maybe this will be helpful for you. th-cam.com/video/-DA56j7Voug/w-d-xo.html 0:00 purpose of life 3:50 deeds>faith , other faiths 7:10 do we need guidance? 8:50 are we delivering a different message from other religions? 10:00 was prophet muhammad a false prophet? 17:25 how authentic is the splitting of the moon? 25:00 an idea of how hadiths are graded 28:35 false prophet from torah ? 38:45 is 100% of the quran the exact message from Allah?
I hope these world class scholars are world class followers of Jesus....obeying the teaching closely and maintain holy life. They should not spread hatred towards other churches esp RC, accusing them of idolatry, paganism etc.
The Jesus of the early church is totally different from that of post Nicene Christology. New Testament scholar Dale C. Allison summarizes the circumstances well when he says that: "...fourth century Christian theology cannot be identified with first century Christian theology." [From the book "The Historical Christ and the Theological Jesus" commentary]
"The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah (NT too?) and then did not take it on is like that of a donkey who carries volumes [of books]. Wretched is the example of the people who deny the signs of ALLAH. And ALLAH does not guide the wrongdoing people." [QS 62: 5]
@@zainiabdullah621 It is different because they have grown in their understanding who Jesus is. The early Christian community knew very well that Jesus is not an ordinary man after the resurrection event.
Really appreciate Dale's honesty and vulnerability in describing the confusing, challenging nature of a lot of scholarly perspective on the bible, while not simply trying to white-knuckle explain away all of the valid criticisms and interpretations as most Christian apologists do.
Paul next time can touch on the similarities between the concept of God in both Islam and Christianity that is according to the Bible, where both do have the concept of Tauhid.. There is no God but one God.
@@BloggingTheology Here are books you need to review for your spiritual growth. God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ By: Stephen J. Wellum, John S. Feinberg Christ Alone: The Uniqueness of Jesus As Savior By: Stephen Wellum, Matthew Barrett Jesus in Trinitarian Perspective: An Introductory Christology Edited By: Fred Sanders, Klaus Issler The Person of Christ: Contours of Christian Theology By: Donald MacLeod Christ Crucified: Understanding the Atonement By: Donald Maccleod Christian Theology, Third Edition By: Millard J. Erickso Historical Theology: An Introduction to Christian Doctrine By: Gregg R. Allison Why the Reformation Still Matters By: Michael Reeves, Tim Chester The Triune God [New Studies in Dogmatics] By: Fred Sanders, Michael Allen The Son of God and the New Creation, New Edition Edited By: Dane C. Ortlund, Miles V. Van Pelt By: Graeme Goldsworthy God Has Spoken: A History of Christian Theology By: Gerald Bray Jesus the Son of God: A Christological Title Often Overlooked, Sometimes Misunderstood, and Currently Disputed By: D.A. Carson more in wwwDOTchristianbookDOTcom/
@Hussain Fahmy: Allah existed before Islam and was one of the 360 pagan gods the pagans worshipped. Allah is not Yahweh (God). Similarly, Isa is not Yeshua (Jesus). We know that Muhammad's first "revelation" from Allah filled him with terror that he was demon- possessed. And we also know that Muhammad received a legitimate message from Shaitan for Muslims to pray to al-Lat, al-'Uzza, and Manat, the three goddesses favored by the pagan Quraysh, as intercessors before Allah. Need I say more?
Clarence Allah ( God ) existed from the beginning . You will be long gone and so will I and still God will continue to exist . Deification ogf human being is weakness of a human being. In India they deify good human beings like Rama and Krishna . They were good human beings probably messengers of God or SUFI REACHING A HIGH STATE OR like a SAINT . So now every community will have a God and there are thousands of communities and so called Thousands of God heads . In india not only Rama is considered God incarnate by some Indians, but also even To some is MONKEY agod or god incarnate . That is why JUDAISM AND ISLAM EMPHASIZE ON ONE GOD OF ALL. Called ALLAH OR GOD OR YAHVEH .
Free choice is the curtain we need to pull back to see the greater 'higher' truth. If a person truly 'under'-stands, they know to 'look up' and stand for the 'higher' principles that unfold as our 'under'-standing comes into line with true re-spect for the 'higher' truth. The 'higher' reason why why words like 'under' are in the words understanding. They reflect a higher truth that can guides us to the straight path. Our Creator has not left us in ignorance, we choose it, or we can acknowledge his wisdom is in all things even our modern English language which act as a gauge of our human ability to comprehend the higher spiritual cause behind all that exists. Including ourselves, if we accept the higher truth above us.
My view is High Christology and Low Christology professed beliefs about Jesus existed/were in effect right from the outset of the Post Easter Experience, approx 33 Ad, Ehrman explains this on this blog. All these Christological views were around simultaneously, as people with their various beliefs at the earliest times speculated about the profound person of Jesus.
there were quite a lot of versions of jesus and his teaching in early christianity, lots of movement were lost or crushed after 325 then after that 1 become the official curch position of jesus story and his teachings then sects were created but from the main branch, marcionism was a movement just to include new testament late movement was rejected by all curch fathers and declared heretic, ebionites etc etc
Fascinating stuff. Could not leave even for a second! I thought near death experiences were just hallucinations! Gotta learn more! Thanks for bringing this to attention.
For Muslims to believe that all prophets including certainly Hazrat Eesa(Jesus) are sinless(masoom) in Arabic, is a central tenet of their religion. And this belief is based on the clear and explicit text of the Quran.
Regarding Dale's comment's/question on what would Matthew's view about Trinity be and gave 4 guess responses. I think a key point of distinct that needs to be made is ... Who is actually responding to the Question? Matthew the disciple of Jesus, who supposedly compiled the Hewbrew/Aramaic sayings of Jesus? or the author of the Greek Canonical Gospel of Matthew? as we know they are very distinct and not the same person.. I think a response to the trinity, Mathew the disciple of Jesus would reply with 1st response Dale gave, where as the Author of Greek Matthew could reply with any of the 4 responses Dale gave :) making important distinction in who is responding to Dale's question is a key point to note :)
@@BloggingTheology Interesting - well he is a top scholar! You could instead review the book: "Jesus and the Eye Witnesses" by Richard Bauckham - an interesting book about how the gospels were written?
@@BloggingTheology Interesting - well he is a top scholar! You could instead review his book: "Jesus and the Eye Witnesses" by Richard Bauckham - a book explaining how the gospels were written?
Masya'allah. Thank you brother Paul. I listened to the talk till the end and it actually solidifies my believe in Islam and Al-Quran. Alhamdulillah 😊🌹 (Al-Quran 53:28) "They have no knowledge of this. They follow nothing other than conjecture, and conjecture can never substitute for anything of the truth."
@Let Me Talk for quran all manuscripts point inly to 8th century... Surprisingly haufsa copy, 5/ 7 uttman copies which were sent to different places are missing without even a mild trace.... Ie., no original to verify according to scholarship. We know uttman had copies and haufsa had a written copy but not found till date. Islamic text reliabilitis based on single source ie., Mohammed... The original single source is lost/ destroyed by uttman and company or missing. Christian source of preservation is diverse source... New testament has 27 books to talk bout Jesus divinity. If 20 books are lost still 7 will prove it. Bible is a compilation of many books by different authors. New testament is not dictation book by God. So not verbatim by verbatim. It is narration by different authors and we believe in inspiration, but individual writes using his language, style of writing, ... So we have different compilers and writers,... But all writers are clear about Jesus divinity... And scholarship accepts it. That is why Christians have no problem with some Bible having extra books in its compilation. It is for Muslim the believe 1."every prophet a book" 2. Allah dictates "so verbatim by verbatim" So no change is possible and only Arabic etc. 3. So for you original is important because you believe in "only Mohammed" for quran and haddis. 4. All original manuscript and first written quran lost or destroyed purposely and hence scholarship have difficulty to check or verify verbatim by verbatim same or not. 5. Injeel introduced by Muslim and claimed dro be lost without a trace... 6. Allah protects and copy is available in heaven. 7. Many abrogations are done in haddis 8. Many sahih haddis are getting knocked out by Muslim scholarship of 21 th century. 9. Preservation of quran and haddis were done only by Muslims under kings so how it got lost? 10. Chain of narration is by arabs, and haufs quran is perfect but haufs is a lier🙃 and his haddis is rejected. 11. Contradictions in text...like sun setting, adult breast suckling, 4 wives for men, creation and order, jazia, fight till the last days, pretend to be a friend with Jews and Christian, apostasy punishment, claiming no sacrifice is possible but instead of Jesus someone like Jesus got crucified, satanic versus, etc... 12.Scholarship is after these kind of controversies of Islamic text Your criteria asre applicable only to Islamic text ours is different.... Because both have different philosophy when we talk about nature of preservation. In Christianity we don't have that criteria.., everyone knows there are minor changes in number of books or different manuscript available.... This is because many independent sources and each author write what information he was having.... Hence now scholarship has lot of source to check and cross check the divinity of Jesus and majority of them accept it. Our preservation perfectly matches our belief and scholarship.... Your preservation perfectly matches Islamic belief but not scholarship.... So problem in validity and reliability. ... And scholarship is now digging deep and found "the holes in the narrative" - Yasir Quadi In other words we don't claim audio recording of the text to have same script... Different writers and have different script but the story remains the same. You claim audio recording of your text. Single source Mohammed so source is necessary without which no way to verify. And the surprise is Calif uttman burnt manuscript... Why? Absolutely needed in this context, how can Mohammed verified text be burnt by a Muslim cailf.. How? All originals gone like injeel. And even now many qurans.... Haufs and walsh are not same...
NDE has manny varieties muslim christian other religion, seeing just a garden, seeing nothing atheist nde etc its not that NDE is a de facto divine wich this is the only version there are thousands of different NDE, some see nothing, some see christian version, some muslim, some just a garden or feeling of blizz of peace, some feel terrified etc etc
Authubillah. Muslims learn about Isa from ONLY solid, verified sources which are Quran and authentic sunnah. The Bible and it’s “scholars” are not solid sources of information. Much of the Bible of today is fabricated. There is nothing that the Bible or Christians can teach us about Isa. In fact it is us who teach them about Isa.
@@fearnonebutone4977 I disagree. I think the wonderful and thought-provoking stories about Jesus in the New Testament help us to learn about isa. To me, the New Testament is also a "solid" and trustworthy source. I respect the people of Islam
A stimulating dialogue. The point about an early “high” Christology in Paul, and the pre-Pauline hymn of Phil.2, was significant and well-taken. (I’m convinced myself that there are aspects of such a Christology in the synoptics too, e.g. the Son of Man sayings.) You should have taken the chance to assure Prof Allison that Thomas Aquinas too is among the Mutants…. I’m sure I’ll be watching this one again.
I pretty much agree with you. I also think there could have been a "high Christology" in the Synoptic Gospels but they seem to have been "hidden." What do you think? So you correlate the "son of man" sayings by Jesus with His divinity?
@@johnbrzykcy3076 I'd associate the Son of Man sayings with the mysterious figure of Daniel 7, who seems to have at least quasi-divine characteristics - all peoples "worship" him (verb latreuo in Septuagint) and his kingdom is eternal and indestructible. In Luke 24:69-70, the titles Son of Man and Son of God are correlated, and interpreted by Jesus' enemies as "blasphemy" on Jesus' part. So "Son of Man" seems a high title. It's maybe odd but "Son of Man" in the Synoptics seems to function rather like "Son of God" in John. I don't know why in other respects the Synoptics seem less robust than John, but here at least is a rich vein of exalted Son of Man Christology. I wonder whether apologetic interests might somehow have motivated what you call a "hidden" quality in the Synoptics.
an other lying scholar , he said "mark matthew and luke didnt know about the pre existence of christ: he lied: luke 10:17-21 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.” 18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.” stop listeniong to lying scholars and stop reading demon inspired books this guy does not know what the bible talks about like all "scholars" that paul invite on his show. paul present you peoples that nobody cares about as if they were some kind of relevant authorithy . all thoses "scholars" would not be able to tell you anything about what the bile talks about . read the scriptures by yourself instead of idolizing peoples on the internet.
@@godhasgivenussalvationinth5223 These scholars know the scriptures in ways that you will ever know. Their scholarship is deep and rich with substance. Please don’t put down academics who dedicate their lives to the truth, especially from some random person like you.
@@ah4356 not at all he doesnt even know what the message of the bible is actually. but since you dont know what the bible message is neither you believe anything he will tell you.
'Standing' up for the values and principles we hold is only half of what the word true under-'standing' really means. The other part being under, refers to accepting our true place in this life, being humble to lower ourselves below the Will of Our Creator, Who has a plan for His universe we can be part of is we truly do understand. Only by accepting He Is The Of everything, The Only One we are to bow to and worship. Not the doctrines, temptation or distractions of other men and women, who would dis-tract us away from true sub-mission, to be the individuals we were designed as, to think for ourselves and bring our own individual contribution to this world we were created to be a part of. By re-cognising we are not just here by some mistake that evolved from nowhere. That every single one of us who recognises reality does has a choice to follow life's higher path where a place waiting for us to take up. A promise made at the foundation of this universe. This (spiritual re-birth) is where the seed of truth begins to grow in our lives and where our true re-connection back to where we came from starts to heal the rift between us and Our Maker. What re-ligion really means, to reconnect with the greater hidden truth that towers high up above us, hidden only by our own ignorance. Unable to truly under-stand.
Who Moved the Stone? by Frank Morison I owe Morison a great debt of gratitude. Who Moved the Stone? was an important early link in a long chain of evidence that God used to bring me into his kingdom. Morison’s stirring intellectual exploration of the historical record proved to be an excellent starting point for my spiritual investigation." --From the foreword by Lee Strobel
I'm confused: The three volume commentary on Matthew was CO-WRITTEN with W.D. Davies (whose name precedes Allison's on the cover of the volumes). Somewhere on either this or another video Allison refers to Volume One as one of Allison's works of "juvenalia". If W.D. Davies co-wrote the book, this doesn't seem to be a work of juvenalia. It's almost as if W.D. Davies had no part in the work. Maybe I missed something, but I didn't even hear Allison mention W.D. Davies' part in writing the commentary.
Salaam Paul. Interesting to hear him reference the gospel authors by name but not sure of his opinion on whether they are anonymous or actually by Mark, Matthew, Luke or John. However, he does reference Q, so maybe that in it's self testifies to his belief in the gospels being anonymous?
Thanks! Enjoyed that. Supplements what Allison said in his Licona interview. It'll be challenging to extract choice pro-Islamic soundbites from this one!
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Not familiar with this channel but I find it baffling that Islamic fundamentalists and apologists (rightly) apply critical methods to New Testament texts, but earnestly believe that the portraits of Jesus in the Quran are historically reliable... Not to mention that they often hold to a verbal dictation view of the Quran that exceeds the most ardent evangelical.
It is very interesting to note how the topic of whether Jesus may peace be upon him, was historical or not, has come to occupy a central position in the modern Christology while on the other hand for Muslims, at least for believing Muslims asking or raising a question about the historicity of Jesus or for that matter about any other true prophet, tantamounts to nothing but simple disbelief and rebellion against the religion itself.
I doubt that very much. I think Muslims should read Quran anew, especially in regards to what is being told about Jesus and others. Actually, the account of Jesus in Quran is not all that positive. Especially, his insistence on miracles, his promotion of his mother, and behavior of his disciples are all negatives mentioned. Humans have all sorts of weaknesses, you can not blame them personally for it. He was knowledgeable, and Allah is the source of all knowledge. Search 'Marvelous Qur'an' on utube for a different take on Jesus.
The last part of the conversation reminded me of Charles Fort's The Book of the Damned, in which he humorously polemicizes against the current scientific-materialist received wisdom that systematically excludes multitudes of data, some of which Fort presents, that it can't assimilate into its paradigm.
"Matthew,... is editing Mark..." Wow.... no mention of "corruption". Or did I misunderstand what the scholar said? So who is right? Who is wrong? ( " and I can't figure it out" ) May God enlighten us to understand. PEACE
The Gospels are usually independent but with a different point of view and different readers in mind. Some are written for the Jews, Romans, and Gentile. John is more a book on Christian theology. Did some authors borrow from others, of course. This professor also borrowed from other authors. Just look at the bibliography at the end of the book. The Qur'an is also a compiled book from thousands of Companions and the various caliphs.
But the gospel writers are supposed to have the holy spirit to help them, they are apostles not laymen. The man is can't figure out that mess and you're making excuses. Assumptions can't be a basis for a belief .
Can we find the truth from the source of untruth ...? Why we wast our time with all corrupt sources ...? Any way I do appreciate about what Mr Paul ‘s hard working and his research . I believe that there is one truth always.
At 49:23 Prof. Allison said ( Who is God ? who is jesus? ....This is very complicated and it is not simple!! ) My question is : Is this really what God would really leave his humanity with ...confusion and un clarity even to the most learned people? very interested
@@charlievaughan1308 Your comment is one of "millions" of atheist/agnostic comments which by time, we became very tired to answer to be honest a very materialist comment, and just using the lazy logic of "why God didn't show me the truth while i'm just sitting on my bed and do nothing.. God is bad".. your comment is completely anti-human nature, anti-human beliefs.. also using a very robotic logic for human beings (like using the words Christian and 600 years, as if all those "Christians" were the same for 600 years.. kind of characters in a video game that have no human soul or brain) Everything happened, and happen by the order of Allah is what give our lives a sense and a point.. to answer your question abut the 600 years, read Suran Al-Baqarah - 62 .. of course Allah knows best.. the modern liberalism and all those brainwashing ideas has made human beings think they are equal to "God", and now they want answers bigger than their human brains.. complete arrogance sadly which Islam is against.. and what i realize is that your questions never end, what's the point of life in this case? me as a believer of Allah despite never saw him, and you aren't... but at the end you want easy answers, and both of us will go to heaven, is this fair for me? is it fair even from a neutral perspective? there are plenty of atheists who reverted to Islam, they understood it, go see their experience.. however just sitting there looking for the easy life and calling people who don't give you "easy answers" unintelligent and irrational is just a complete non-sense to human nature even from an atheist perspective himself.
@@charlievaughan1308 I'm a Muslim and I'll try to be as rational as I could. So it is written in the Quran that Jesus was prophesized in the previous scriptures (Torah, Psalm, you know this). But not only Jesus. I also once read book of Isaiah that told me, He will sent a 'spirit of deep sleep' to brought the law (Torah literally means 'law') back to the Israelites because it was forgotten. Muslim traditions believed this to be Ezra the scribe. Now I know that your exegets will say no, it doesn't mean that, but you know. Just to proof, earlier scriptures will prophesized future prophets. You can believe it or not. Muhammad was also written, even by name. Proof of this: there are Jews living in Arabia in his time who still uphold this view. And submitted right away when they hear Muhammad declared his prophethood. Why 600 years? Well, even with Abraham, Isaac & Ishmael in the same timeline, these people still dispute over the genuinity of Abraham. Or I should say, Ishmael or Isaac is the firstborn. That's about 2000 BC. 2600 years prior Muhammad. You can still see remnants of their dispute in the book of Genesis. People called the 'prophets' are the most devout to God in Islam. There's a concept of their sinlessness (Maksum), as there will be no way of them to disobey (and if they did, they repent and Allah forgave them). Why Allah wait for 2600 years to reveal the truth between them for people to know?
very interesting and useful, but I squirmed in my seat a bit at the thought that not knowing the answer to a question rings of a postmodernist idea that there may be multiple "truths". One may not know the answer, but still think there is *one* answer out there somewhere to be uncovered.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 are you serious 🤣🤦🏾♂️ you just said who ever wrote it what if the person was a liar how do you know if he was truthful? You might as well say the Hindu book are inspired by God to🤦🏾♂️
@@maulinux1 why would you believe in a book that never said I was inspired from God or we don’t even know the author tbh you guys are just deluded don’t put your mind in a box
@@A1.4U You have to find out why by reading the Gospel without prejudice. Just read on. After that you have to choose. Unlike you, I respect the choices of faith of others.Enjoy the reading.
Meaning of Matthew 28: You asked about Verse 19, but in context, see Verses 18-20: 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. This is the great commission for salvation of the nations given to Jesus' disciples. Jesus authorized his disciples to go forth teaching people what Jesus taught them, baptizing them and not to worry because Holy Spirit (who Jesus has and can give to everyone who asks) will guide and comfort them.
Hello Action.... I've never read the Quran but I have heard that it says Jesus never did die on a cross? Is that what Quran correctly says? That idea is very difficult for me to swallow because most Christians ( myself included) believe Jesus was indeed crucified on a cross. I wonder where the Quran got that idea about Jesus? How do you see it? PEACE
@@johnbrzykcy3076 We believe God answered his prayers and saved him from the humiliation and torment of crucifixion , While Christians believe God rejected his prayers he made when he supplicated to God.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 if i'm not wrong, according to Quran, among 12 students of yesus, one of them is made to have a similar face to yesus. Quran doesnt state who he is, while yesus is rise to somewhere that only between Allah and yesus know. Becasue Allah will not let His prophet died on a cross. Cmiiw
"In his old age he's still going through his synopsis trying to figure things out." That's great. We all should keep learning if we are able. Sometimes it seems like we'll never comprehend all the knowledge that is available to us.
its because you christians dont do any actual research unlike the muslims who are here who not only know there Quran they also got the bible fighered out lol so nothing this guy said is new to us what what paul made out is alreasy going out
@@youneskhouloud2504 I pretty much agree that we "christians don't do any actual research..." What exactly do you mean by "research"? It's really difficult for me to do "research" regarding the New Testament because I don't know the Biblical Greek language, I have simple problems with comprehension due to side-effects of chemotherapy, and to be honest, I often procrastinate to do things that I should. So Muslims really research the Quran? That's wonderful. I wish I was that disciplined. Another problem I see with Christianity, is that it's 2,000 years old and there just have been so many different "councils" and debates about Jesus. It's just too much for me to study it all !! I'm no scholar. So Muslims have the Bible figured out ? I'm glad to hear that but I'm reluctant to ask you how do Muslims have the Bible figured out? I don't think our finite, limited human minds can ever comprehend all the mystery of God. PEACE.... I respect the people of Islam.
@@youneskhouloud2504 Dude, the arguments Muslims deploy against the Bible are just regurgitations of, as Muslims are always quick to point out, what Christians scholars have said. Plus, Christian and secular Western scholarship are also leading the way on historical-critical research into the Qur'an.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 research meaning verifying their scripture and the narration for example every christian think the biography in gospel account written by disciples wich is not correct and this is the most basic stuff 2. well we do research cause a choice that has eternal effect is not a joke 3,islam has a strict order to require knowledge from cradle to grave 4.muslims dont just research Quran we actually memorise it we have hafiz people who memorise it cover to cover and most muslims have to memorise at least a chapter for daily prayers 5. well about christianity about councils i researched them not that hard and this is why im not christian rather muslim cause if jesus message was clear and he claimed divinity why them people 400 years later still debate it and that a major problem not to mention this proves inspiration claim to be false cause 49 gospels were written and they went through many debates to conon them not to mention they came up with trinity in a council lol something early 1rs century christians didnt believe all these are evidence for corruption. 6. if you read the stuff actually disciples wrote you will find 2 streams of christianity one is jewish christians who believe jesus is prophet the messiah kept the law for example the ebionates and nazareens wich there leaders were disciples peter nad james and they aposed pauls teachings somehow pauls narration of things made it through another thing jesus message was for jews only paul then claimed he was a messenger for gentiles aka a prophet then goes to contradict jesus on everyting you dont have to be a scholar to find this stuff out 7. we have the bible figuered out cause we researched it and it confirms what our Quran said about it being not the original first of all muslim belief is Moses was prophet received Torah from God what jews have are books they have written torah is lost they also psalms of david same thing now coming to jesus Got to the Gospel remember one what christians have are books of oral traditions about jesus without isnad while the Gospel was pure revelation all coming from jesus mouth any verse in new testement about preaching is evidence for this 8. you cant meat God and say its a mystery he gave you intellect a hindu may see the same thing in an answer to why you worship idolsif i as a human cant accept that from doing the research how is God gonna accept it while you clearly said you didnt do research God gave you time he will ask you about it prepare your accounting cause your gonna have to file taxes
@@ConsideringPhlebas hhhhhh funny the same arguments cause were truthful we dont just spit any dumb argument every time our claim is the same from day one and it will always be nothing new the fact that even yur scholars say so is evidence for Quran 2. please dont bring up Quran cause you cant meet its standards the only preserved scripture on earth both oraly and written wise 3. the arguments are still valid so dont bring up Quran so your answer is well our book is corrupted as hell but wait until scholars start with yours i will torerate this stupid non logical claim even if Quran got corrupted that wont make the fact that the bible is not all the word of God 4. now in reality apply the same arguments to Quran and im waiting for evidence a hint Quran is on whole new level
My long time research about the Son of Man had led me to the truth that the Son of Man prophesied by Daniel and Jesus actually talking all about Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
The term 'son of man' originally in ancient Hebrew should be translated in correct English and must never change on its true meaning. It was/and still is the habits of Christiann scholars uses the English language and its nuance to divert its meaning or eisegete scriptural texts (instead if just exegete) to suit their purpose in promoting Paulistic evangelical concepts.
The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never called himself THE SON OF MAN. I am not aware of any references in Hadith or the Quran to identify our Prophet as The Son of Man. HOWEVER, when it comes to the Bible and its attempt to HIDE or even EDIT OUT the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), we have to credit Muslim scholars with exposing their methodology and showing it to the Muslim World. Please elaborate. What references could you give us from the Bible, Muslim scholars, and or the writings of any Scholars that identify Muhammad (PBUH) as the Son of Man?
plus NDE there are muslim,christian,hindu,atheist nde, deist nde etc i have seen so many stories wich all are different wich suggest nde is not a real afterlife, the theory i think is NDE are JINNS either your companion of them Karen or another who depending by their religion they create a NDE by stimulating DMT or something in your brain and you are close to dying, in islam there is no close to dying in the sense that if you die you see angel of death you wont go back in life etc
Dear Mr Paul, I beg you to translated - all of - your videos in Indonesian. My English is not good enough, especially with British acsen. I think your videos will be favourite in Indonesia, but sadly majority Indonesian do not understand English.
Paul please ask this question with every scholar whom you conduct your discussion...... Was Jesus born to a virgin? This will make it more meaningful for Muslims also.
@@mok8591 There is also Biblical narrative about Jesus, in which the Father is God, and Jesus is not God, just the Messiah and Son of God, who lived a sinless life as a human, died for humanity, resurrected by God, and ascended to Heaven.
For more of Dale Allison please watch the video by Paulogia where he discusses ‘who saw the risen Jesus’. Andrew Loke and Licona are there too for good measure. th-cam.com/video/8qtfFPd_R_E/w-d-xo.html
It is astounding how some academics loyally expound on questionable scriptures n biblical theology when in my opinion the "Word" of God has to be error free n "flawless"!They can even elaborate n narrate n expound huge books out of these verses!By default any Scriptures from God Almighty containing contradictory n corrupted scripture cannot be used for guidance by picking n choosing verses because u cannot plagiarise holy scripture!
1:02:54 "May": this is supposed to be guidance for humanity therefore is it appropriate to use this word? Is this what we have for 2,000 years of preaching? "May"???
Dale Allison was a very humble man, who wore his vast learning lightly. He was a joy to listen to, particularly as he did not have an agenda to push. He gave some cracking insights into the New Testament milieu because the depth of his scholarship was so immense. I love his idea that some scholars and thinkers are 'mutants' as well. To bring in Justin Martyr near the end - that was superb, to try to respond to the question whether Muhammad was a Prophet of God or not.
Muhammad never claim that he was God or something like that. If you read Quran you will find that very clear. Also if you are exposed at least to the most authentic book of his tradition such as the book of Bukari or Muslim, you will see the clear picture about this great Prophet.
@@عبدالرحمنسيفاو-س8س well, I think Muhammad was a religious reformer, and the belief system that developed under his influence was influenced by versions of Christianity and Judaism, current among the Arabian tribesmen in the sixth century. Once the Islamic Empire expanded the Qur'an was created and ways of life codified to hold it together and distinguish Islam from Judaism and Christianity as these peoples became Subjects. Initially there would not have been such a clear distinction. That's what I think history shows about Islamic origins.
@@jamesupton4996 This is very naive thinking. I know why many said such comments. The only reason to say that is because the similarities between the three religions. But if we think objectively, we must know that the source of the three religions is one. Prophet Muhammed wasn't a first Prophet to be sent by Almighty God, there were many Prophets proceeded him. Thus not necessarily to believe that he was just a reformer. Many new concepts and news were mentioned in the Quran not found in the Bible. So how those concepts and news came to him?
Try to be objective and think out of the frame you are in.
@@عبدالرحمنسيفاو-س8س offhand I can't think of any new religious concepts in the Qur'an. I can see Jewish and Christian influence, and perhaps different emphases, eg. Rejection of the Trinity, and that one unclear verse about the crucifixion of Jesus. I'm not disputing what we know historically about the origins of Islam, I'm interpreting it as an historical phenomenon, a religious movement, of that time and place and subsequently.
@@jamesupton4996 That is your thinking, however, still that will not change the fact that Islam is not something new but rather it is the religion of all Prophets of God including Jesus. As I said the similarities found in the three religions not necessarily make them copy from each other. Otherwise we can then say even Christianity was copied from Judaism or even from Hinduism since there some similarities between the two creeds !
Wow, Paul what can I say. Its a breath of fresh to air to hear an academic and historian being so honest as this guy is. The problem is and still remains, there is no simple answers for the most fundamental questions in christianity. If this is what it's like speaking to a guy who is more versed than most church pasters in your Neighbourhood and he advised to speak to another 40 learned people of his qualifications and status before making a decision. I can honestly say christianity is an evolution of ideas and none of them know what they are talking about in simple terms.
Fantastic interview and wonderful guest. Watched this one with my wife, it's cathartic to hear this conversation.
Very educational interview . Thank you so much Paul and prof. Allison
Hey Paul... I like when you said, " you can't preach that from the pulpit...." I agree with you. May God enlighten us to understand.
Brother Paul, I would suggest before anyone reads Dale Allison's book on the resurrection, read the work of Sheik Ahmad Deedat entitled "Who Moved the Stone". The most important takeaway from the resurrection story will be there. No fancy logic-illogical confusion, just simple plain English!
Sheikh Ahmad Deedat was wonderful, may he rest in Allah's Noor. Dale Allison is a world renown Christian Scholar working in a University that trains Priests. If we cite one of these books it will be treated as anti-Christian propaganda by Christians while if the other book is cited then even Christians will have to take notice.
I think Bro Paul try to build a conversation, understanding point of view from Senior Christian Scholar, no intention to debate. Everybody can read any book they want. I watch a lot of Sheikh Dedaat since his CD sales in my country, and watch his UTUbe video. All of this adds to religious knowledge and insight. But dakwah was suite to the era depending on what challenging we face.. Much appreciate for you Bro Nordin
@@mindexcursion9856 I don’t think anyone implied what you are suggesting. Ahmed Deedat’s life’s work basically unpacks all the contradictions in the Gospels including in his book Who moved the stone.
One of the comments was asking Paul to point the audience in the direction of Ahmed Deedats book. Atila was responding saying that this could be considered malicious by Christians, so why not point the Christian audience towards Christian scholarly works which achieve the same goal but will have far more credibility with the Christian audience?
@@atilaorhan927 wonderful? He explained the truth!He made comparative religion worth expounding to arrive at the logical state of the prescribed religion for mankind! Can u imagine the priest training more priests with the same doctrine which for us who has the truth is sad because they will be lost in their supposed belief! Sheikh Ahmad Deedat is trying to break that ignorance! The least the scholarly priest can do is be true to himself n his followers to reason n analyse with critical comparison without bias n favour because when truth emerges falsehood is bound to perish!
@@mindexcursion9856 No Deedat didn't have any such knowledge and the reason is simple - the tradition in Islam taken from Surah 4:157 is a complete fabrication, 600 years after the event. If you study Surah 4:157 you will see that there are ZERO details about anything that happened at the crucifixion of Jesus. The following details are conspicuously ABSENT:
- who was crucified
- when was he crucified
- how was he crucified
- by whom was he crucified
- why was he crucified
- how did the Romans not realise it wasn't Jesus? Were they fools or professional crucifiers?
- why did Allah deceive Jesus's mother Mary, making her watch her beloved son be tortured to death, while it was only an illusion to make her suffer!
- why did Allah tell no one that he was only deceiving them, for 600 years?
- why did Allah cause Christianity to be created by causing this illusion, and then afterwards condemning the Christians he had created through his deception?
......the one thing you get from this verse is that whoever wrote it, did NOT know the answers to the above Questions!!!!
Well done Paul, your channel is becoming a serious platform for scholarly conversations. I am sure more and more scholars will accept your invitations and you might eventually end up making programs for television networks. Keep it up. 👍
Good evening dear paul , happy to have you back again .
Many thanks
I believe this conversation directly support what NT Wright believes about Paul and Christian theology. The belief in the resurrection of Jesus changed the meaning and definitions of everything. The scriptures, the Messiah, monotheism, prophecy and eschatology.
Brother Paul, thank you as always for those awesome videos! Hard to find an honest theology channel. I love your guests as well!
Glad you like them!
Thanks paul to introducing Dale C. Allison. Definitely, I always come to argue in entire life. I don't know anything for certain. I called this life a physical experience.
Back in 1981 my faith in the bible was on shaky ground. Then I took a class with a brilliant young scholar only a few years older than me, Baruch Halpern, a student of Frank Moore Cross. His Introduction to the Old Testament course changed my life and completely renewed my interest in the bible and religious life and study (I was raised Anglican). Although I was unable to pursue my post graduate degrees I kept up my biblical studies and renewed that interest again more seriously in 2014. Dale Allison was one scholar I had to catch up on, and his "Constructing Jesus" was a compelling cover to cover read. I look forward to this conversation.
I liked it. It's conversation with a dedicated reader, thinker and writer. Thanks for this introduction to Dale Allison's works.
You're very welcome!
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😉😉 you answer my question. Correctly
אלוהי אברהם ומשה אמר בדברים 18:20 שאם מישהו מתנבא בשם אל אחר, זה לא יהוה, הרי הוא צריך להיהרג. האל אללה הוא אל אחר ולהשתחוות לאללה או להתפלל אליו מוגדר עבודת אלילים על ידי אלוהי אברהם ומשה
48k well done great effort Paul, keep up the good work removing the scales from their eyes.
Thanks 👍
This was a PHENOMENAL conversation! As someone who has been listening to things like his for some years now, this is perhaps the most insightful discussion I have ever come across with regards to the historical Jesus. Definitely subscribing
Time went so fast, next time do 2 hours. Great interview, specially the cherry on top question about prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
Amazing channel and I believe the addition of time stamps would greatly increase the number of viewers.
Good idea!
the topic really interesting. Paul thank you for hosting Dr. Allison for this event. I am as a prophet's tradition critic who studies the hadith, I can say that the Islamic methodology of text criticism and chains of narrators is a very unique and effective solution to distinguish between what is really had been said by Prophet and what not. The problem with gospels and others Christian traditions that never had such essential information. Therefore, all stories came down to us are doubtful and cannot be trusted. In case of Islam we luckily got things in place. Since this is the situation there must be a permanent solution for such complicated issue. That solution came from God. It is the last message of God to all mankind. All questions that lurk in minds of people from different cultures and religions had been answered in the most authentic book which is the Quran.
I suggest to make it short, just read it with open mind and open heart and you will find the truth.
Many thanks for you Paul and your guest Dr. Allison.
Brilliant question Paul 'what do you mean God?' I think this is one of the most important questions to consider and appreciate.
I agree with you 100%
And should be made a topic by Paul in the future, together with one Christian scholar too
I couldn't miss your admiration for Professor Allison. He is a nice man. He made me imagine the 4 writers of the gospels sitting and comparing their books. They will end up fighting together
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The data is confusing.. another lol
An evolution process...He's killing me
Sir ,you HAVE TO make this video into shorts.
Ohhh.... I'm sure we'll have some "shorts". I hope the authors never did "end up fighting together."
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Thank you so much brother Paul and thank you so much professor Allison. It's really great these videos with those who are educated in their field. It really gives great new perspectives and ways of thinking that the christian world has.
I agree with you
Dr. Allison is a really great man and great scholar. I just released one interview with him. He is awesome!
I always need to find a peaceful moment to enjoy your interviews. I seldom let myself distracted while watching your videos.
Listened to this again..then I got Dale's book the theological christ. Absolutely brill. Possibly the best I have read on the historical jesus. Loved Dale's answer about muhammad. Bllessing to paul and dale
Paul, I asked for this in the comments of a couple of previous videos of yours but you likely missed it so here it is again...
Please make an episode on how you read effectively. You seem to effectively consume an enormous amount of books in a relatively short period of time. How do you do it? How do you approach a new book? What is your mental process? Do you ever read more than one book simultaneously? Or do you focus on one book at a time? Do you take notes throughout? What do you do after you’ve finished reading a book? Do you go over it again? Do you summarise it’s main points? Anything you can share about your process would be fantastic and would help a great deal.
Many thanks in advance!!
Tremendous! Thank you. Wow. Arguably, the most knowledgeable historian on the topic of Jesus' resurrection believes that: after his death, the disciples saw Jesus, and Jesus saw the disciples!
I don't know if there really is "the most knowledgeable historian on the topic of Jesus' resurrection" but many scholars do put forth some highly reasonable statements. I like to listen to various scholars. But to comprehend completely the resurrection of Jesus is beyond the finite, limited minds of man.
Thanks for sharing.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Yes, scholars like Professor Gary Habermas, Dr Mike Licona, Dr Richard Bauckham, Simon Gathercole, and many others, believe that Jesus was crucified and after the crucifixion, and his death on the cross, finalised by spearing into the chest (which leads to quick death), that Jesus was seen after 3 days of being in the tomb, outside of the tomb appearing to as many as 500 people. There's a simple logic about this and it is this - if Jesus was crucified his followers and disciples would have "come to the end of the road" literally if this was the end of everything! There would be no further followers of Jesus, no 'believers', no Christianity and no Christians - period! It was a shameful humiliating death for their master , teacher and leader! Tacitus the Roman historian captures this historical period in his writing Annals 15:40 when he said that Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate and that ended his following.....but it quickly "broke out again"! Jesus's crucifixion should have been the end of it - but his resurrection appearances meant that Christian beliefs were born and spread rapidly from then on, right into Rome!
@@peaceinjesus5221 also a sideote, there's a reason why jesus was crucified. if they really wanted to kill him, they wouldve cornered him on the streets or even just commit a normal murder. crucifications at that time indicated that the crucified person was cursed, and the jews wanted to prove that this person is not the messiah and therefore inflicted upon him a "cursed death". However in Islam, God is the best of planners and he did not allow that to happen, instead he raised jesus and the jews chose another man amongst them who god made a lookalike of jesus (i also remember something about the curves of the feet of the crucified person and they had some differences from the real jesus)
@@sweetmelon3365 re: "if they really wanted to kill him, they would've cornered him on the streets or even just commit a normal murder." >> well two things here....
a) this was attempted several times unsuccessfully according to the gospels. On at least one occasion, Jesus disappeared out of sight, while they were trying to stone him! On another occasion a mob were seeking to kill him and he walked straight through the middle of them untouched! Apparently it wasn't so easy to kill Jesus at all! - and the reason? Everything was being carefully planned to the moment of his death! In the gospels, everything is happening at EXACTLY THE CORRECT TIME!
b) Jesus was not to die by mobs or a murderer, but he had to die by crucifixion EXACTLY as depicted in Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53. Everything in Jesus's life was a fulfilment of the Hebrew scriptures, even his death by crucifixion.
re: "the crucified person was cursed, and the jews wanted to prove that this person is not the messiah" >> It actually proved the opposite! Why? There are 2 portraits of the Messiah in the Hebrew scriptures:
i) Messiah ben David - the Kingly Messiah who will rule the Nations from Jerusalem
ii) Messiah ben Yosef - the Suffering Servant Messiah who will suffer and die for the sins of his people - Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22
Jesus only fulfilled (ii) the Suffering Servant Messiah, dying for the sins of others, as per Isaiah 53. If Jesus wasn't the King of Israel and he wasn't the Suffering Messiah, then by definition of Scripture, he isn't the Messiah at all and that means the Quran has 11 errors in it stating that Jesus is the Messiah when by Islam's claim, he is not the Messiah because he wasn't crucified.
re: "instead he raised jesus and the jews chose another man amongst them who god made a lookalike of jesus" >> You know the problems this idea makes don't you?
a) Allah is UNJUST because he made another man suffer the sentence that was passed upon Jesus, when the other man was innocent of the charges of Jesus and was wrongly and unjustly crucified!
b) Allah deceived all those witnessing the crucifixion, both those who crucified him and those who wept for Jesus! This means Allah cannot ever be trusted, because he is a deceiver and if he deceived those people, he can deceive even his own followers, the Muslims!
c) Allah deceived Jesus's mother Mary and cruelly made here watch her beloved son, being tortured to death on a cross when it wasn't Jesus! Allah never told Mary and Mary went to her grave in sorrows mourning in her sadness and distress!
d) Allah deceived all those who watched and believed Jesus was crucified and who became Christians, making them become Christians and Allah made Christianity, knowing what its beliefs and doctrines would be. Later Allah condemned the Christians for being Christian so that he can send them to Hell for Shirk to be roasted over and over with replacement skins for eternity! Bit Allah was the one who caused it all, because he is "the best of planners" and so knew everything beforehand!
e) Allah even deceived Jesus's friends who loved Jesus and both Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimethea were fools because they didn't recognise that it wasn't their friend Jesus when they buried him!
f) Now because of the Quran's version of the story, the crucifixion makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! Allah is supposed to be "the best of planners" but instead sent Jesus on a failed mission, that nearly got him crucified, so Allah made an innocent man be unjustly crucified instead! Now the Islamic story means that Instead of God planning the crucifixion for the redemption of mankind, Allah planned a mission for Jesus which went wrong and was unsuccesful and Allah bundled and made a complete mess of everything, only just managing to rescue Jesus! What this means is that the crucifixion now makes NO SENSE whatsoever! This means that Allah here not only created deceit, but he created utter confusion and failure!!
@@peaceinjesus5221 when did islam claim him to be the messiah and then not claim him to be the messiah? and no, that guy wasnt innocent, he wanted to kill someone and when he went into the little shelter where the resl jesus was, jesus wasnt to be found, meaning he was raised up. had jesus been there he would've been killed and the guy would've been a murderer. also you talk a lot about innocent suffering for someone else. why does jesus have to suffer for all of mankind's sins? this would make religion pointless from a moral perspective because there's no accountability if jesus is already going to forgive my sins. the justive system doesnt add up. also i didnt mention this, we dont use the bible to prove islam, we uses the bible to prove its own contradictions and the contradictions of the belief of christianity. maybe this will be helpful for you. th-cam.com/video/-DA56j7Voug/w-d-xo.html
0:00 purpose of life
3:50 deeds>faith , other faiths
7:10 do we need guidance?
8:50 are we delivering a different message from other religions?
10:00 was prophet muhammad a false prophet?
17:25 how authentic is the splitting of the moon?
25:00 an idea of how hadiths are graded
28:35 false prophet from torah ?
38:45 is 100% of the quran the exact message from Allah?
I hope these world class scholars are world class followers of Jesus....obeying the teaching closely and maintain holy life. They should not spread hatred towards other churches esp RC, accusing them of idolatry, paganism etc.
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The Jesus of the early church is totally different from that of post Nicene Christology. New Testament scholar Dale C. Allison summarizes the circumstances well when he says that: "...fourth century Christian theology cannot be identified with first century Christian theology."
[From the book "The Historical Christ
and the Theological Jesus" commentary]
I pretty much agree with you. But there is a lot I don't know.
"The example of those who were entrusted with the Torah (NT too?) and then did not take it on is like that of a donkey who carries volumes [of books]. Wretched is the example of the people who deny the signs of ALLAH. And ALLAH does not guide the wrongdoing people."
[QS 62: 5]
@@zainiabdullah621 It is different because they have grown in their understanding who Jesus is. The early Christian community knew very well that Jesus is not an ordinary man after the resurrection event.
@Muhammad Daanish Shaikh Well, Jesus thinks that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him.
Great conversation and very interesting insights. Thank you for sharing your thoughts
Really appreciate Dale's honesty and vulnerability in describing the confusing, challenging nature of a lot of scholarly perspective on the bible, while not simply trying to white-knuckle explain away all of the valid criticisms and interpretations as most Christian apologists do.
Thanks Paul and Professor Allison, very interesting to learn more about the NT and the real Jesus 👏👍👍
Salamu alaykum,
man sieht dich überall Ma Shaa Allah 👍
Brill Paul
How do u get these scholars on ???
I emailed them and invited them on.
Mr. Paul please add the English subtitle in your all videos. it is more easy to understand by this way. Best wishes from TURKEY.
i can see subtitles. just need to click on the [cc] button
2 humble men with knowledge,awesome content very educational ,overall very very pleasant :)
I'm a new fan of Dale Allison. Thank you!!!
wow what an energetic discussion and or session...
Thanks for both of you 🤗🌷
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Dale Allison talk about Mohamad peace be upon him in 55:00
But he didn't really say much. I wonder why ?
... reminding me about donkey carry load of books (QS 62:5)
He read many many hollybook. Bhaghawad gita, greek filosofy, and so on, .... maybe like Sidharta gaotama. 😘
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I always liked that image, also kinda gives me a chuckle
Paul next time can touch on the similarities between the concept of God in both Islam and Christianity that is according to the Bible, where both do have the concept of Tauhid.. There is no God but one God.
Paul, for info, the adverts are getting quite burdensome? They are running almost every 2-3 minutes?
Sorry! There are ways around this.
There's one that keeps coming up about pre-paid funeral plans - a delicious little memento mori.
Watch it in a browser with adblock- such as Brave
@@BloggingTheology Here are books you need to review for your spiritual growth.
God the Son Incarnate: The Doctrine of Christ By: Stephen J. Wellum, John S. Feinberg
Christ Alone: The Uniqueness of Jesus As Savior By: Stephen Wellum, Matthew Barrett
Jesus in Trinitarian Perspective: An Introductory Christology Edited By: Fred Sanders, Klaus Issler
The Person of Christ: Contours of Christian Theology By: Donald MacLeod
Christ Crucified: Understanding the Atonement By: Donald Maccleod
Christian Theology, Third Edition By: Millard J. Erickso
Historical Theology: An Introduction to Christian Doctrine By: Gregg R. Allison
Why the Reformation Still Matters By: Michael Reeves, Tim Chester
The Triune God [New Studies in Dogmatics] By: Fred Sanders, Michael Allen
The Son of God and the New Creation, New Edition Edited By: Dane C. Ortlund, Miles V. Van Pelt By: Graeme Goldsworthy
God Has Spoken: A History of Christian Theology By: Gerald Bray
Jesus the Son of God: A Christological Title Often Overlooked, Sometimes Misunderstood, and Currently Disputed
By: D.A. Carson
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@@abukid4857 Is that the book of mental masturbation...
*_Masha'Allah, a learning experience with this channel (Blogging Theology)_*
@Hussain Fahmy: Allah existed before Islam and was one of the 360 pagan gods the pagans worshipped. Allah is not Yahweh (God). Similarly, Isa is not Yeshua (Jesus). We know that Muhammad's first "revelation" from Allah filled him with terror that he was demon- possessed. And we also know that Muhammad received a legitimate message from Shaitan for Muslims to pray to al-Lat, al-'Uzza, and Manat, the three goddesses favored by the pagan Quraysh, as intercessors before Allah. Need I say more?
Clarence Allah ( God ) existed from the beginning . You will be long gone and so will I and still God will continue to exist .
Deification ogf human being is weakness of a human being. In India they deify good human beings like Rama and Krishna . They were good human beings probably messengers of God or SUFI REACHING A HIGH STATE OR like a SAINT .
So now every community will have a God and there are thousands of communities and so called Thousands of God heads .
In india not only Rama is considered God incarnate by some Indians, but also even To some is MONKEY agod or god incarnate . That is why JUDAISM AND ISLAM EMPHASIZE ON ONE GOD OF ALL. Called ALLAH OR GOD OR YAHVEH .
This is really an interesting interview.
Very beautiful interaction here
Thought-provoking Video, Thank you for this Paul
Free choice is the curtain we need to pull back to see the greater 'higher' truth.
If a person truly 'under'-stands, they know to 'look up' and stand for the 'higher' principles that unfold as our 'under'-standing comes into line with true re-spect for the 'higher' truth.
The 'higher' reason why why words like 'under' are in the words understanding. They reflect a higher truth that can guides us to the straight path.
Our Creator has not left us in ignorance, we choose it, or we can acknowledge his wisdom is in all things even our modern English language which act as a gauge of our human ability to comprehend the higher spiritual cause behind all that exists.
Including ourselves, if we accept the higher truth above us.
My view is High Christology and Low Christology professed beliefs about Jesus existed/were in effect right from the outset of the Post Easter Experience, approx 33 Ad, Ehrman explains this on this blog. All these Christological views were around simultaneously, as people with their various beliefs at the earliest times speculated about the profound person of Jesus.
there were quite a lot of versions of jesus and his teaching in early christianity, lots of movement were lost or crushed after 325 then after that 1 become the official curch position of jesus story and his teachings then sects were created but from the main branch, marcionism was a movement just to include new testament late movement was rejected by all curch fathers and declared heretic, ebionites etc etc
And the speculation seems to continue.... after 2,000 years.
Thank you! Loved listening!
Thanks for listening
Thank you Brother Paul. May Allah reward you.
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Fascinating stuff. Could not leave even for a second! I thought near death experiences were just hallucinations! Gotta learn more! Thanks for bringing this to attention.
Congratulations, very successful awesome, interesting and informative episode,
A world class interview (pity about the adverts). Are you going to be returning to your church council series?
For Muslims to believe that all prophets including certainly Hazrat Eesa(Jesus) are sinless(masoom) in Arabic, is a central tenet of their religion. And this belief is based on the clear and explicit text of the Quran.
Regarding Dale's comment's/question on what would Matthew's view about Trinity be and gave 4 guess responses. I think a key point of distinct that needs to be made is ... Who is actually responding to the Question? Matthew the disciple of Jesus, who supposedly compiled the Hewbrew/Aramaic sayings of Jesus? or the author of the Greek Canonical Gospel of Matthew? as we know they are very distinct and not the same person.. I think a response to the trinity, Mathew the disciple of Jesus would reply with 1st response Dale gave, where as the Author of Greek Matthew could reply with any of the 4 responses Dale gave :) making important distinction in who is responding to Dale's question is a key point to note :)
On a point
What do you mean by the "Greek Canonical Gospel of Matthew"?
@@johnbrzykcy3076 the Greek Gospel of Matthew you find in today's NT
How about a video with Richard Bauckham?
He declined
@@BloggingTheology Interesting - well he is a top scholar! You could instead review the book: "Jesus and the Eye Witnesses" by Richard Bauckham - an interesting book about how the gospels were written?
@@BloggingTheology Interesting - well he is a top scholar! You could instead review his book: "Jesus and the Eye Witnesses" by Richard Bauckham - a book explaining how the gospels were written?
Masya'allah. Thank you brother Paul. I listened to the talk till the end and it actually solidifies my believe in Islam and Al-Quran. Alhamdulillah 😊🌹
(Al-Quran 53:28)
"They have no knowledge of this. They follow nothing other than conjecture, and conjecture can never substitute for anything of the truth."
@Let Me Talk for quran all manuscripts point inly to 8th century... Surprisingly haufsa copy, 5/ 7 uttman copies which were sent to different places are missing without even a mild trace.... Ie., no original to verify according to scholarship.
We know uttman had copies and haufsa had a written copy but not found till date. Islamic text reliabilitis based on single source ie., Mohammed... The original single source is lost/ destroyed by uttman and company or missing.
Christian source of preservation is diverse source... New testament has 27 books to talk bout Jesus divinity. If 20 books are lost still 7 will prove it.
Bible is a compilation of many books by different authors. New testament is not dictation book by God. So not verbatim by verbatim. It is narration by different authors and we believe in inspiration, but individual writes using his language, style of writing, ... So we have different compilers and writers,...
But all writers are clear about Jesus divinity... And scholarship accepts it. That is why Christians have no problem with some Bible having extra books in its compilation.
It is for Muslim the believe
1."every prophet a book"
2. Allah dictates "so verbatim by verbatim" So no change is possible and only Arabic etc.
3. So for you original is important because you believe in "only Mohammed" for quran and haddis.
4. All original manuscript and first written quran lost or destroyed purposely and hence scholarship have difficulty to check or verify verbatim by verbatim same or not.
5. Injeel introduced by Muslim and claimed dro be lost without a trace...
6. Allah protects and copy is available in heaven.
7. Many abrogations are done in haddis
8. Many sahih haddis are getting knocked out by Muslim scholarship of 21 th century.
9. Preservation of quran and haddis were done only by Muslims under kings so how it got lost?
10. Chain of narration is by arabs, and haufs quran is perfect but haufs is a lier🙃 and his haddis is rejected.
11. Contradictions in text...like sun setting, adult breast suckling, 4 wives for men, creation and order, jazia, fight till the last days, pretend to be a friend with Jews and Christian, apostasy punishment, claiming no sacrifice is possible but instead of Jesus someone like Jesus got crucified, satanic versus, etc...
12.Scholarship is after these kind of controversies of Islamic text
Your criteria asre applicable only to Islamic text ours is different.... Because both have different philosophy when we talk about nature of preservation.
In Christianity we don't have that criteria.., everyone knows there are minor changes in number of books or different manuscript available.... This is because many independent sources and each author write what information he was having.... Hence now scholarship has lot of source to check and cross check the divinity of Jesus and majority of them accept it.
Our preservation perfectly matches our belief and scholarship....
Your preservation perfectly matches Islamic belief but not scholarship....
So problem in validity and reliability. ... And scholarship is now digging deep and found "the holes in the narrative" - Yasir Quadi
In other words we don't claim audio recording of the text to have same script... Different writers and have different script but the story remains the same.
You claim audio recording of your text. Single source Mohammed so source is necessary without which no way to verify.
And the surprise is Calif uttman burnt manuscript... Why? Absolutely needed in this context, how can Mohammed verified text be burnt by a Muslim cailf.. How?
All originals gone like injeel. And even now many qurans.... Haufs and walsh are not same...
Paul you must highlight the near death experience part, it was very good.
NDE has manny varieties muslim christian other religion, seeing just a garden, seeing nothing atheist nde etc its not that NDE is a de facto divine wich this is the only version there are thousands of different NDE, some see nothing, some see christian version, some muslim, some just a garden or feeling of blizz of peace, some feel terrified etc etc
Muslims are learning more about Prophet Isa / Jesus thanks to your work. A work like any good disciple would do 👍
We know more about the historical isa pbh then any Christians,who have abandoned isa,to follow paul
Authubillah. Muslims learn about Isa from ONLY solid, verified sources which are Quran and authentic sunnah. The Bible and it’s “scholars” are not solid sources of information. Much of the Bible of today is fabricated. There is nothing that the Bible or Christians can teach us about Isa. In fact it is us who teach them about Isa.
@@fearnonebutone4977 well said 👏
@@Lindaeditz8 I hope I have not "abandoned isa." His teachings are special.
@@fearnonebutone4977 I disagree. I think the wonderful and thought-provoking stories about Jesus in the New Testament help us to learn about isa. To me, the New Testament is also a "solid" and trustworthy source.
I respect the people of Islam
Great stuff! Thank you for your efforts!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Why don't you do an episode with Thomas MacElwain?
Semoga kaum muslimin diseluruh dunia diampuni semua dosanya dan diterima semua amal ibadah nya.. Aamiin Ya Robbal'alamiin ..☝️☪
A stimulating dialogue. The point about an early “high” Christology in Paul, and the pre-Pauline hymn of Phil.2, was significant and well-taken. (I’m convinced myself that there are aspects of such a Christology in the synoptics too, e.g. the Son of Man sayings.) You should have taken the chance to assure Prof Allison that Thomas Aquinas too is among the Mutants…. I’m sure I’ll be watching this one again.
I pretty much agree with you. I also think there could have been a "high Christology" in the Synoptic Gospels but they seem to have been "hidden." What do you think? So you correlate the "son of man" sayings by Jesus with His divinity?
@@johnbrzykcy3076 I'd associate the Son of Man sayings with the mysterious figure of Daniel 7, who seems to have at least quasi-divine characteristics - all peoples "worship" him (verb latreuo in Septuagint) and his kingdom is eternal and indestructible. In Luke 24:69-70, the titles Son of Man and Son of God are correlated, and interpreted by Jesus' enemies as "blasphemy" on Jesus' part. So "Son of Man" seems a high title. It's maybe odd but "Son of Man" in the Synoptics seems to function rather like "Son of God" in John. I don't know why in other respects the Synoptics seem less robust than John, but here at least is a rich vein of exalted Son of Man Christology. I wonder whether apologetic interests might somehow have motivated what you call a "hidden" quality in the Synoptics.
an other lying scholar , he said "mark matthew and luke didnt know about the pre existence of christ: he lied:
luke 10:17-21 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
stop listeniong to lying scholars and stop reading demon inspired books this guy does not know what the bible talks about like all "scholars" that paul invite on his show. paul present you peoples that nobody cares about as if they were some kind of relevant authorithy . all thoses "scholars" would not be able to tell you anything about what the bile talks about . read the scriptures by yourself instead of idolizing peoples on the internet.
@@godhasgivenussalvationinth5223 These scholars know the scriptures in ways that you will ever know. Their scholarship is deep and rich with substance. Please don’t put down academics who dedicate their lives to the truth, especially from some random person like you.
@@ah4356 not at all he doesnt even know what the message of the bible is actually. but since you dont know what the bible message is neither you believe anything he will tell you.
'Standing' up for the values and principles we hold is only half of what the word true under-'standing' really means.
The other part being under, refers to accepting our true place in this life, being humble to lower ourselves below the Will of Our Creator, Who has a plan for His universe we can be part of is we truly do understand.
Only by accepting He Is The Of everything, The Only One we are to bow to and worship.
Not the doctrines, temptation or distractions of other men and women, who would dis-tract us away from true sub-mission, to be the individuals we were designed as, to think for ourselves and bring our own individual contribution to this world we were created to be a part of.
By re-cognising we are not just here by some mistake that evolved from nowhere.
That every single one of us who recognises reality does has a choice to follow life's higher path where a place waiting for us to take up.
A promise made at the foundation of this universe.
This (spiritual re-birth) is where the seed of truth begins to grow in our lives and where our true re-connection back to where we came from starts to heal the rift between us and Our Maker.
What re-ligion really means, to reconnect with the greater hidden truth that towers high up above us, hidden only by our own ignorance.
Unable to truly under-stand.
Now , how about the ascencion?
Who Moved the Stone? by Frank Morison I owe Morison a great debt of gratitude. Who Moved the Stone? was an important early link in a long chain of evidence that God used to bring me into his kingdom. Morison’s stirring intellectual exploration of the historical record proved to be an excellent starting point for my spiritual investigation." --From the foreword by Lee Strobel
Top Notch! 👍🏼
I'm confused: The three volume commentary on Matthew was CO-WRITTEN with W.D. Davies (whose name precedes Allison's on the cover of the volumes). Somewhere on either this or another video Allison refers to Volume One as one of Allison's works of "juvenalia". If W.D. Davies co-wrote the book, this doesn't seem to be a work of juvenalia. It's almost as if W.D. Davies had no part in the work. Maybe I missed something, but I didn't even hear Allison mention W.D. Davies' part in writing the commentary.
Salaam Paul. Interesting to hear him reference the gospel authors by name but not sure of his opinion on whether they are anonymous or actually by Mark, Matthew, Luke or John. However, he does reference Q, so maybe that in it's self testifies to his belief in the gospels being anonymous?
Thanks! Enjoyed that. Supplements what Allison said in his Licona interview.
It'll be challenging to extract choice pro-Islamic soundbites from this one!
I agree with you that it will be "challenging to extract..." But if anyone can do it, Blogging Theology will.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 Not familiar with this channel but I find it baffling that Islamic fundamentalists and apologists (rightly) apply critical methods to New Testament texts, but earnestly believe that the portraits of Jesus in the Quran are historically reliable...
Not to mention that they often hold to a verbal dictation view of the Quran that exceeds the most ardent evangelical.
it was a wonderful story and thank you to be honest with his religion
If only Muslims scholars were honest with their religion, and publicly acknowledging the loop holes and problems with the Quran!
@Peacein Jesus how do you know they are not honest with their religion?
@@peaceinjesus5221 You first need to go and learn about Islam before saying anything
@@huzaifasmuhammad5787 Why is it then that Muslims on You Tube don't learn the Christian faith before speaking about it?
@@peaceinjesus5221 Show me one
Please add timestamps
It is very interesting to note how the topic of whether Jesus may peace be upon him, was historical or not, has come to occupy a central position in the modern Christology while on the other hand for Muslims, at least for believing Muslims asking or raising a question about the historicity of Jesus or for that matter about any other true prophet, tantamounts to nothing but simple disbelief and rebellion against the religion itself.
I doubt that very much. I think Muslims should read Quran anew, especially in regards to what is being told about Jesus and others. Actually, the account of Jesus in Quran is not all that positive. Especially, his insistence on miracles, his
promotion of his mother, and behavior of his disciples are all negatives mentioned. Humans have all sorts of weaknesses, you can not blame them personally for it. He was knowledgeable, and Allah is the source of all knowledge.
Search 'Marvelous Qur'an' on utube for a different take on Jesus.
There are theologians who are having recourse to NDEs. Fr Robert Spitzer has written about this, for example, as support for a transcendent soul.
The last part of the conversation reminded me of Charles Fort's The Book of the Damned, in which he humorously polemicizes against the current scientific-materialist received wisdom that systematically excludes multitudes of data, some of which Fort presents, that it can't assimilate into its paradigm.
"Matthew,... is editing Mark..." Wow.... no mention of "corruption". Or did I misunderstand what the scholar said? So who is right? Who is wrong? ( " and I can't figure it out" ) May God enlighten us to understand. PEACE
The Gospels are usually independent but with a different point of view and different readers in mind. Some are written for the Jews, Romans, and Gentile. John is more a book on Christian theology. Did some authors borrow from others, of course. This professor also borrowed from other authors. Just look at the bibliography at the end of the book. The Qur'an is also a compiled book from thousands of Companions and the various caliphs.
@@bngr_bngr stop your nonsense 😂😂
@@bngr_bngr Did you say 'authors'?
But the gospel writers are supposed to have the holy spirit to help them, they are apostles not laymen. The man is can't figure out that mess and you're making excuses. Assumptions can't be a basis for a belief .
@@bngr_bngr I can't judge about the Quran but I do agree with you regarding the Gospels. Thanks for sharing. God bless.......
Dale Allison wrote a great book on George Harrison.
Can we find the truth from the source of untruth ...? Why we wast our time with all corrupt sources ...? Any way I do appreciate about what Mr Paul ‘s hard working and his research . I believe that there is one truth always.
i think they use the bible to show the contradictions within it, Islam is a means to fill those holes created by the contradictions
Curious if anyone watching this has had an NDE and if so, what they experienced?
At 49:23 Prof. Allison said ( Who is God ? who is jesus? ....This is very complicated and it is not simple!! )
My question is : Is this really what God would really leave his humanity with ...confusion and un clarity even to the most learned people? very interested
good point
@@charlievaughan1308 Your comment is one of "millions" of atheist/agnostic comments which by time, we became very tired to answer to be honest
a very materialist comment, and just using the lazy logic of "why God didn't show me the truth while i'm just sitting on my bed and do nothing.. God is bad".. your comment is completely anti-human nature, anti-human beliefs.. also using a very robotic logic for human beings (like using the words Christian and 600 years, as if all those "Christians" were the same for 600 years.. kind of characters in a video game that have no human soul or brain)
Everything happened, and happen by the order of Allah is what give our lives a sense and a point..
to answer your question abut the 600 years, read Suran Al-Baqarah - 62 ..
of course Allah knows best.. the modern liberalism and all those brainwashing ideas has made human beings think they are equal to "God", and now they want answers bigger than their human brains.. complete arrogance sadly which Islam is against.. and what i realize is that your questions never end, what's the point of life in this case? me as a believer of Allah despite never saw him, and you aren't... but at the end you want easy answers, and both of us will go to heaven, is this fair for me? is it fair even from a neutral perspective?
there are plenty of atheists who reverted to Islam, they understood it, go see their experience.. however just sitting there looking for the easy life and calling people who don't give you "easy answers" unintelligent and irrational is just a complete non-sense to human nature even from an atheist perspective himself.
@@charlievaughan1308 I'm a Muslim and I'll try to be as rational as I could.
So it is written in the Quran that Jesus was prophesized in the previous scriptures (Torah, Psalm, you know this). But not only Jesus. I also once read book of Isaiah that told me, He will sent a 'spirit of deep sleep' to brought the law (Torah literally means 'law') back to the Israelites because it was forgotten. Muslim traditions believed this to be Ezra the scribe. Now I know that your exegets will say no, it doesn't mean that, but you know. Just to proof, earlier scriptures will prophesized future prophets. You can believe it or not.
Muhammad was also written, even by name. Proof of this: there are Jews living in Arabia in his time who still uphold this view. And submitted right away when they hear Muhammad declared his prophethood.
Why 600 years? Well, even with Abraham, Isaac & Ishmael in the same timeline, these people still dispute over the genuinity of Abraham. Or I should say, Ishmael or Isaac is the firstborn. That's about 2000 BC. 2600 years prior Muhammad. You can still see remnants of their dispute in the book of Genesis. People called the 'prophets' are the most devout to God in Islam. There's a concept of their sinlessness (Maksum), as there will be no way of them to disobey (and if they did, they repent and Allah forgave them). Why Allah wait for 2600 years to reveal the truth between them for people to know?
@@charlievaughan1308 believe whatever you want dude. Nobody stopping you or us.
@@charlievaughan1308 God people heed the call of God. An agnostic have no rights to call people ignorant..
very interesting and useful, but I squirmed in my seat a bit at the thought that not knowing the answer to a question rings of a postmodernist idea that there may be multiple "truths". One may not know the answer, but still think there is *one* answer out there somewhere to be uncovered.
27:43 The real answer of the real Mattew would be: I didn't write that!
But whoever wrote "Matthew" was brilliant. The stories/teachings of Jesus are thought-provoking and inspired by God.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 are you serious 🤣🤦🏾♂️ you just said who ever wrote it what if the person was a liar how do you know if he was truthful? You might as well say the Hindu book are inspired by God to🤦🏾♂️
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And in fact our task is to choose a faith and respect the faith choices of others. The first part there, you acquitted The second?
@@maulinux1 why would you believe in a book that never said I was inspired from God or we don’t even know the author tbh you guys are just deluded don’t put your mind in a box
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You have to find out why by reading the Gospel without prejudice. Just read on. After that you have to choose. Unlike you, I respect the choices of faith of others.Enjoy the reading.
Can anybody help with Mathew 28 verse 19
Meaning of Matthew 28: You asked about Verse 19, but in context, see Verses 18-20:
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
This is the great commission for salvation of the nations given to Jesus' disciples. Jesus authorized his disciples to go forth teaching people what Jesus taught them, baptizing them and not to worry because Holy Spirit (who Jesus has and can give to everyone who asks) will guide and comfort them.
Paul, having read the book did it make you reconsider the text in the quran concerning the death or otherwise of Jesus on the cross?
No, not really.
Hello Action.... I've never read the Quran but I have heard that it says Jesus never did die on a cross? Is that what Quran correctly says?
That idea is very difficult for me to swallow because most Christians ( myself included) believe Jesus was indeed crucified on a cross. I wonder where the Quran got that idea about Jesus?
How do you see it?
PEACE
@@johnbrzykcy3076 We believe God answered his prayers and saved him from the humiliation and torment of crucifixion , While Christians believe God rejected his prayers he made when he supplicated to God.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 if i'm not wrong, according to Quran, among 12 students of yesus, one of them is made to have a similar face to yesus.
Quran doesnt state who he is, while yesus is rise to somewhere that only between Allah and yesus know.
Becasue Allah will not let His prophet died on a cross.
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Thanks Paul... Maybe next time you can invite scientist.
That would be cool!
"In his old age he's still going through his synopsis trying to figure things out." That's great. We all should keep learning if we are able. Sometimes it seems like we'll never comprehend all the knowledge that is available to us.
its because you christians dont do any actual research unlike the muslims who are here who not only know there Quran they also got the bible fighered out lol so nothing this guy said is new to us what what paul made out is alreasy going out
@@youneskhouloud2504 I pretty much agree that we "christians don't do any actual research..." What exactly do you mean by "research"? It's really difficult for me to do "research" regarding the New Testament because I don't know the Biblical Greek language, I have simple problems with comprehension due to side-effects of chemotherapy, and to be honest, I often procrastinate to do things that I should.
So Muslims really research the Quran? That's wonderful. I wish I was that disciplined.
Another problem I see with Christianity, is that it's 2,000 years old and there just have been so many different "councils" and debates about Jesus. It's just too much for me to study it all !! I'm no scholar.
So Muslims have the Bible figured out ? I'm glad to hear that but I'm reluctant to ask you how do Muslims have the Bible figured out? I don't think our finite, limited human minds can ever comprehend all the mystery of God.
PEACE.... I respect the people of Islam.
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Dude, the arguments Muslims deploy against the Bible are just regurgitations of, as Muslims are always quick to point out, what Christians scholars have said. Plus, Christian and secular Western scholarship are also leading the way on historical-critical research into the Qur'an.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 research meaning verifying their scripture and the narration for example every christian think the biography in gospel account written by disciples wich is not correct and this is the most basic stuff
2. well we do research cause a choice that has eternal effect is not a joke
3,islam has a strict order to require knowledge from cradle to grave
4.muslims dont just research Quran we actually memorise it we have hafiz people who memorise it cover to cover and most muslims have to memorise at least a chapter for daily prayers
5. well about christianity about councils i researched them not that hard and this is why im not christian rather muslim cause if jesus message was clear and he claimed divinity why them people 400 years later still debate it and that a major problem not to mention this proves inspiration claim to be false cause 49 gospels were written and they went through many debates to conon them not to mention they came up with trinity in a council lol something early 1rs century christians didnt believe all these are evidence for corruption.
6. if you read the stuff actually disciples wrote you will find 2 streams of christianity one is jewish christians who believe jesus is prophet the messiah kept the law for example the ebionates and nazareens wich there leaders were disciples peter nad james and they aposed pauls teachings somehow pauls narration of things made it through another thing jesus message was for jews only paul then claimed he was a messenger for gentiles aka a prophet then goes to contradict jesus on everyting you dont have to be a scholar to find this stuff out
7. we have the bible figuered out cause we researched it and it confirms what our Quran said about it being not the original
first of all muslim belief is Moses was prophet received Torah from God what jews have are books they have written torah is lost they also psalms of david same thing
now coming to jesus Got to the Gospel remember one what christians have are books of oral traditions about jesus without isnad while the Gospel was pure revelation all coming from jesus mouth any verse in new testement about preaching is evidence for this
8. you cant meat God and say its a mystery he gave you intellect a hindu may see the same thing in an answer to why you worship idolsif i as a human cant accept that from doing the research how is God gonna accept it while you clearly said you didnt do research God gave you time he will ask you about it prepare your accounting cause your gonna have to file taxes
@@ConsideringPhlebas hhhhhh funny the same arguments cause were truthful we dont just spit any dumb argument every time our claim is the same from day one and it will always be nothing new the fact that even yur scholars say so is evidence for Quran
2. please dont bring up Quran cause you cant meet its standards the only preserved scripture on earth both oraly and written wise
3. the arguments are still valid so dont bring up Quran so your answer is well our book is corrupted as hell but wait until scholars start with yours i will torerate this stupid non logical claim even if Quran got corrupted that wont make the fact that the bible is not all the word of God
4. now in reality apply the same arguments to Quran and im waiting for evidence a hint Quran is on whole new level
this was a wonderful talk👍👍👍
My long time research about the Son of Man had led me to the truth that the Son of Man prophesied by Daniel and Jesus actually talking all about Prophet Muhammad PBUH.
please elaborate?
Subhanallah,congratulations on accepting the truth
The term 'son of man' originally in ancient Hebrew should be translated in correct English and must never change on its true meaning. It was/and still is the habits of Christiann scholars uses the English language and its nuance to divert its meaning or eisegete scriptural texts (instead if just exegete) to suit their purpose in promoting Paulistic evangelical concepts.
The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never called himself THE SON OF MAN. I am not aware of any references in Hadith or the Quran to identify our Prophet as The Son of Man. HOWEVER, when it comes to the Bible and its attempt to HIDE or even EDIT OUT the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), we have to credit Muslim scholars with exposing their methodology and showing it to the Muslim World. Please elaborate. What references could you give us from the Bible, Muslim scholars, and or the writings of any Scholars that identify Muhammad (PBUH) as the Son of Man?
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Salam to Mr dale Allison
Professor can you tell did historical Jesus predict his imminent death?
Read the Bible
Paul NDE is a phenomenon that is not an interaction with the divine or an experience of the hereafter.
plus NDE there are muslim,christian,hindu,atheist nde, deist nde etc i have seen so many stories wich all are different wich suggest nde is not a real afterlife, the theory i think is NDE are JINNS either your companion of them Karen or another who depending by their religion they create a NDE by stimulating DMT or something in your brain and you are close to dying, in islam there is no close to dying in the sense that if you die you see angel of death you wont go back in life etc
Last 20 minutes especially interesting
Dear Mr Paul, I beg you to translated - all of - your videos in Indonesian.
My English is not good enough, especially with British acsen. I think your videos will be favourite in Indonesia, but sadly majority Indonesian do not understand English.
Paul please ask this question with every scholar whom you conduct your discussion......
Was Jesus born to a virgin?
This will make it more meaningful for Muslims also.
I wonder if a term like: ‘a Muslim Christian’ would help people to continue their faith towards understanding Jesus.
Far too many ads!
But what do you mean by "a Muslim Christian"?
@@johnbrzykcy3076 someone who wants to remain a Christian but accepts the Muslim narrative about Jesus.
@@mok8591 There is also Biblical narrative about Jesus, in which the Father is God, and Jesus is not God, just the Messiah and Son of God, who lived a sinless life as a human, died for humanity, resurrected by God, and ascended to Heaven.
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So a true christian
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God cannot have a son
It is not in his nature
For more of Dale Allison please watch the video by Paulogia where he discusses ‘who saw the risen Jesus’. Andrew Loke and Licona are there too for good measure.
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It is astounding how some academics loyally expound on questionable scriptures n biblical theology when in my opinion the "Word" of God has to be error free n "flawless"!They can even elaborate n narrate n expound huge books out of these verses!By default any Scriptures from God Almighty containing contradictory n corrupted scripture cannot be used for guidance by picking n choosing verses because u cannot plagiarise holy scripture!
1:02:54 "May": this is supposed to be guidance for humanity therefore is it appropriate to use this word? Is this what we have for 2,000 years of preaching? "May"???
Can I aske simpl question
Who was controlling the world when Jesus on the cross and in the tom
What do you mean? Material world behaves according to physical laws. What needs to be controlled?
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So..God died..ceased to exist
@@shiroboo525 The Son of God, Jesus, died and got resurrected by God.
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Son of God..what do you mean..
God of the Bible had SONS BY THE TONNES...
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If Jesus was ressurected by God...
Who ressurected the DEAD SAINTS during Jesus crucifixion...